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Mile High Champ
07-11-2013, 12:44 AM
Hey guys, It is that time of year again! Once again we kick of the PSD NBA Off-Season Player Rankings. This is the 6th year I have done this on PSD and it always brings some great discussion and debate. Please keep things civil and discuss who you feel is most fitting and deserving of being voted in each poll.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron James and the Miami Heat are back to back NBA champions after an exciting 7 game series win over the Spurs. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 5 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.


REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best


2013 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Tony Parker
3) Russel Westbrook
4) Stephen Curry
5) Kyrie Irving
6) Deron Williams
7) Rajon Rondo
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9)
10)


2012 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
3) Russell Westbrook
4) Deron Williams
5) Rajon Rondo
6) Tony Parker
7) Steve Nash
8) Kyrie Irving
9) Kyle Lowry
10) Ty Lawson

2011 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
3) Deron Williams
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Tony Parker
8) Jason Kidd
9) Chauncey Billups
10) Stephen Curry

2010 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Deron Williams
2) Chris Paul
3) Steve Nash
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chauncey Billups
7) Russel Westbrook
8) Tony Parker
9) Jason Kidd
10) Tyreke Evans

2009 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Chauncey Billups
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Jose Calderon
10) Jason Kidd

2008 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Steve Nash
3) Deron Williams
4) Baron Davis
5) Tony Parker
6) Jason Kidd
7) Chauncey Billups
8) Gilbert Arenas
9) Jose Calderon
10) Andre Miller

Mile High Champ
07-11-2013, 12:46 AM
Mods please sticky.

5ass
07-11-2013, 01:03 AM
Jrue

tredigs
07-11-2013, 01:19 AM
From the window, to the Walll. Him or Ty.

Jrue wasn't top end offensively or defensively. And his advanced #'s aren't good. 16.7 PER, .055 WS/48, 99 Orating + 107 Drating, turned it over a lot... synergy had him 195th defensively, 345th offensively. Not feeling a Jrue vote here.

5ass
07-11-2013, 01:28 AM
Im starting to think maybe Conley? If he had a bigger role on the team he would be putting up much better stats.

5ass
07-11-2013, 01:28 AM
Ya, I'm going with Conley here.

seikou8
07-11-2013, 01:29 AM
ty lawson

Chronz
07-11-2013, 01:38 AM
Gimme Wall, Im buying what he sold in the 2nd half of the season, aka the part when he was healthy

ball4reel
07-11-2013, 01:51 AM
Ty for me..

Mile High Champ
07-11-2013, 02:20 AM
Gimme Wall, Im buying what he sold in the 2nd half of the season, aka the part when he was healthy

What about what Conley accomplished this year Chronz? He had a terrific year with great efficiency. I just have great difficulty elevating Wall into the top 10 until he cleans up his act.

Sadds The Gr8
07-11-2013, 02:23 AM
Gimme Wall, Im buying what he sold in the 2nd half of the season, aka the part when he was healthy

I agree with the 2nd part but I'm taking Lawson for now. There are prolly a couple guys with better stats than him but from first glance I voted for Lawson.

Chavacano
07-11-2013, 09:03 AM
Michael Alex Conley, Jr.

SteBO
07-11-2013, 09:16 AM
Gimme Wall, Im buying what he sold in the 2nd half of the season, aka the part when he was healthy
I'm with you here. Makes we wonder where the Wizards would've been if Wall were healthy at least most of year...

Chronz
07-11-2013, 11:03 AM
What about what Conley accomplished this year Chronz? He had a terrific year with great efficiency. I just have great difficulty elevating Wall into the top 10 until he cleans up his act.
That would be the logical move, certainly had the more successful season, but sometimes you gotta take a leap of faith. I think Wall overachieved with his club last year, it wasnt a complete season but enough to get my attention.

Stunner
07-11-2013, 11:07 AM
Still no Rose if we're talking based on potential to be ? I mean Rondo just had the same injury ....



Edit : Nevermind lol I had to read more than once

ManningToTyree
07-11-2013, 11:31 AM
This is the toughest choice yet IMO. Without looking at numbers I wanna say Jrue

Baller1
07-11-2013, 11:43 AM
Wall.

ManRam
07-11-2013, 12:52 PM
Conley or Wall...but to insure that Holiday won't win (he won't) I just voted for Conley.

NYKnickFanatic
07-11-2013, 02:15 PM
I went based on talent and took Wall. I didn't even see Conley until after I voted. :pity:

FOBolous
07-11-2013, 02:20 PM
can't decide between Lillard or Wall. I went with Lillard cause he was the ROY. looks like i'm one of the only 3 people we did :laugh2:

sunsfan88
07-11-2013, 03:13 PM
Lawson. Conley's getting a little too much love here IMO.

Greet
07-11-2013, 03:17 PM
After looking at numbers and such. I decided to cast my vote for George Hill. He was a huge part of the Pacers playoff run last year and is statistically better than Mike Conley (leader of the poll right now).

Mike Conley- 9.9 WS - .172 WS/48 - .549 TS% - .497 eFG%
George Hill- 9.1 WS - .177 WS/48 - .558 TS% - .518 eFG%

Really think George Hill is the right option here

Bruno
07-11-2013, 03:45 PM
conley, but ive got wall next.

Munkeysuit
07-11-2013, 04:04 PM
1.Rajon Rondo
2.Chris paul
3.Tony Parker
4.Russel Westbrook
5.Derrick Rose
6.Stephon curry
7.Deron Williams
8.Kyrie Irving
9.Mike Conley
10.Damian Lillard

ManRam
07-11-2013, 04:23 PM
1.Rajon Rondo
2.Chris paul
3.Tony Parker
4.Russel Westbrook
5.Derrick Rose
6.Stephon curry
7.Deron Williams
8.Kyrie Irving
9.Mike Conley
10.Damian Lillard

Stopped reading after that ;)



And while I don't think he should go here, I do agree with Greet that Hill is probably being overlooked. But it's assuredly because he doesn't fit into everyone's set definition of what a PG has to be, because if we're just purely talking impact and talent, he's deserving of votes over some of these guys who have gotten them consistently here.

Greet
07-11-2013, 04:35 PM
And while I don't think he should go here, I do agree with Greet that Hill is probably being overlooked. But it's assuredly because he doesn't fit into everyone's set definition of what a PG has to be, because if we're just purely talking impact and talent, he's deserving of votes over some of these guys who have gotten them consistently here.

Well I have no problem with Conley right here, him and Hill are virtually the same. But in no way should Wall be ahead of Hill

Guppyfighter
07-11-2013, 04:56 PM
George Hill is one of the most underrated players in the league.

tredigs
07-11-2013, 04:58 PM
Well I have no problem with Conley right here, him and Hill are virtually the same. But in no way should Wall be ahead of Hill

Well, Wall's clearly the more skilled player and has a much more massive task on his hands every night, but Hill is more refined and was a perfect compliment on his team as their 4th best player. Wall would be better off if he could hit 3's, but at least we saw improvements in all aspects of his game this year. He really started beasting in stretches of that 2nd half.

mrblisterdundee
07-11-2013, 05:44 PM
Why is Derrick Rose not a choice? He's coming back this season, and he's better than some of the guys already picked. This poll is useless without him included.

tredigs
07-11-2013, 05:59 PM
Why is Derrick Rose not a choice? He's coming back this season, and he's better than some of the guys already picked. This poll is useless without him included.

Because it's supposed to be for guys who played in the NBA rather than just practiced a lot. I think.

mrblisterdundee
07-11-2013, 10:50 PM
Because it's supposed to be for guys who played in the NBA rather than just practiced a lot. I think.

It's supposed to be for who's best, and Derrick Rose is still top five coming back. How many of these guys have won an MVP award, other than Steve Nash?

ManningToTyree
07-11-2013, 11:40 PM
The polls are based off of the previous season. Rose didn't play so he cannot be ranked

mrblisterdundee
07-12-2013, 03:47 AM
The polls are based off of the previous season. Rose didn't play so he cannot be ranked

That's a fairly nonsensical way to do it, but the poster should put "2012-13" that in the post. As it stands right now, it's asking for the top 10 current point guards in the NBA, of which Rose is one.

Guppyfighter
07-12-2013, 04:56 AM
That's a fairly nonsensical way to do it, but the poster should put "2012-13" that in the post. As it stands right now, it's asking for the top 10 current point guards in the NBA, of which Rose is one.


If we are rating how good point guards were last year, how could someone who didn't play last year be on that list?

Swashcuff
07-12-2013, 10:28 AM
That's a fairly nonsensical way to do it, but the poster should put "2012-13" that in the post. As it stands right now, it's asking for the top 10 current point guards in the NBA, of which Rose is one.

You've been on this forum for 5 years and you're still posting such rubbish. Have you never seen any of these threads by MHC? Really. Dude you really don't understand what these threads are about. Seriously.

Swashcuff
07-12-2013, 10:30 AM
Well I have no problem with Conley right here, him and Hill are virtually the same. But in no way should Wall be ahead of Hill

Do you understand the stats in which you quoted and how much of an impact Paul George and Roy Hibbert had on Hill's numbers?

I love Hill but Wall is twice the player he is on both ends of the floor, no question IMO who's better.

Chronz
07-12-2013, 10:58 AM
Do you understand the stats in which you quoted and how much of an impact Paul George and Roy Hibbert had on Hill's numbers?

I love Hill but Wall is twice the player he is on both ends of the floor, no question IMO who's better.

My guess would be a similar impact that Gasol and Tony had on Conley's, no? Agreed on Wall tho

Greet
07-12-2013, 11:09 AM
Do you understand the stats in which you quoted and how much of an impact Paul George and Roy Hibbert had on Hill's numbers?

I love Hill but Wall is twice the player he is on both ends of the floor, no question IMO who's better.

Well as Chronz pointed out- Same goes for Conley who had Gasol/Zbo/Tony Allen.

As for John Wall - It shouldn't matter for this poll. If we had one for potential, then sure John Wall would be up there. But no way he was better than Conley/Hill last season..... which this poll is based off.

NBA-GMaster
07-12-2013, 11:24 AM
I was gonna vote for Holiday then Wall.. :racing: