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Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 09:50 PM
1.5 million a year. Sick signing for dirt cheap.

shep33
07-06-2013, 09:51 PM
Stacked

akesh99
07-06-2013, 09:58 PM
WOW thats dirrrrty cheap. I was gonna say why are the clips spending more on their backcourt when they need help up front but that is peanuts for a solid backup. Definitely stacked.

ChitownBears22
07-06-2013, 10:00 PM
Championship....that's it everyone pack it up and move on to 14/15

shep33
07-06-2013, 10:00 PM
Collison, Crawford, Barnes coming off the bench is sick.

kylem4711
07-06-2013, 10:01 PM
Later chauncey

goingfor28
07-06-2013, 10:01 PM
Fkn great deal for Clips. Matt Barnes took less money so this deal could happen too. Cool on Matt's part

LoveMeOrHateMe
07-06-2013, 10:04 PM
It's gonna be clippers vs nets for the 2014 chip!

Teeboy1487
07-06-2013, 10:05 PM
The Clippers are getting scarier by the day. Collison once again a backup for CP3 like old times.

Ryan328
07-06-2013, 10:09 PM
It's gonna be clippers vs nets for the 2014 chip!

Doc vs KG & Paul

Bruno
07-06-2013, 10:09 PM
great replacement for Bledsoe. can't believe he signed for that cheap; he's reunited with Paul as his backup.

tredigs
07-06-2013, 10:11 PM
4x cheaper than what Jack went to Cleveland for. Well played LAC. Collison still hasn't surpassed 2.5 mil in a year. That's the thing though, backup PG's should be bought cheaply. Huge amounts of guard talent in the world.

MagicBucsSox
07-06-2013, 10:12 PM
And still no lost post presence, and 2 hack a players

ChitownBears22
07-06-2013, 10:14 PM
Collison and CP3 reunited again.

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 10:16 PM
And still no lost post presence, and 2 hack a players

You jelly? Clippers dominating 3rd straight offseason.

UPRock
07-06-2013, 10:16 PM
Wow!! What a steal.

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 10:19 PM
Btw backup bigs wouldnt have neen an issue if DJ wasn't invisible. If him and Blake improve Turiaf/Hollins is adequate.

AI
07-06-2013, 10:24 PM
PG CP3/Collison
SG Reddick/Crawford
SF Dudley/Barnes
PF Griffin/?
C DeAndre/?

Clips will be scary, especially if they get two nice backups at the 4/5.

FOBolous
07-06-2013, 10:27 PM
dang the Clippers are quietly building themselves a very good and very deep team. for all the talk of OKC and SAS being in the top of the Western Conference, i think the Clippers will be on top with all their talent and with Doc Rivers leading the team.

Chronz
07-06-2013, 10:29 PM
Moneyball move of the year. I wonder what happened to this kid tho. Hopefully being reunited with CP3 and a system similar will reinvigorate him.

Just grateful that Crawford may not have to play as much PG as I feared

Chronz
07-06-2013, 10:31 PM
NVM, just checked his stats, he had one of his best years last year. A more than solid backup

ChitownBears22
07-06-2013, 10:32 PM
NVM, just checked his stats, he had one of his best years last year. A more than solid backup

He is a very capable backup. 1.5 mil is a steal.

Mcdoh
07-06-2013, 10:33 PM
wow.. great additional to the clippers.. scary team.. :D

justinnum1
07-06-2013, 10:35 PM
amazing value

Aust
07-06-2013, 10:45 PM
That team is stacked. I remember when there were whispers that Collison was better than CP3 during those hornets days and Chris was recovering from his knee injury. Dude is worth more than that, Clips got him dirt cheap.

DillyDill
07-06-2013, 10:46 PM
Man much respect, gr8 move I guess y'all bringing bacc those Orleans daaaayyyysssss

shep33
07-06-2013, 10:49 PM
Clips probably going to win the most games out west. Barnes, Redick, Dudley, and now Collison

Very nice

Aust
07-06-2013, 10:51 PM
If they click and stay healthy, I'm thinking they make a Finals appearance.

YashBoone
07-06-2013, 10:55 PM
It's boarder line absurd how the clips just keep on signing these dudes...... Wtf?

shep33
07-06-2013, 10:57 PM
It's boarder line absurd how the clips just keep on signing these dudes...... Wtf?

Doc Rivers and Chris Paul effect.

They're definitely going for it over these next two-three years.

Heediot
07-06-2013, 10:59 PM
LAC still with the best PG tandem next year.

LAC needed a point that can play D to complement Crawford`s O and lack of D.

jp611
07-06-2013, 11:00 PM
This is a great pickup for the Clippers... Dirt cheap too

Tony_Starks
07-06-2013, 11:12 PM
Collison gave them the hometown discount. That's whatsup!

shep33
07-06-2013, 11:13 PM
Collison gave them the hometown discount. That's whatsup!

Yeah pretty cool on his part.

goingfor28
07-06-2013, 11:14 PM
Collison gave them the hometown discount. That's whatsup!

And Matt Barnes turned down an extra couple hundred thou so that the Collison deal could happen. Props to him

shep33
07-06-2013, 11:17 PM
And Matt Barnes turned down an extra couple hundred thou so that the Collison deal could happen. Props to him

Yeah, Barney has been an unselfish contract guy his whole career.

I think his deal might be a little long, 3 years, since he's already 33, but what the hell, still a solid player

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 11:18 PM
@AlexKennedyNBA: Come on, Clippers. We get it. Other teams need players too. Take it easy.

Yea boi. 3 straight summers of stacking the deck in the summer. LOVE the focus and relentless approach of our front office last 3 years. Runner up GM of the year for 3rd year in a row lolz?

GunFactor187
07-06-2013, 11:19 PM
Clippers officially own Los Angeles now!

soundjunkies2
07-06-2013, 11:19 PM
The Clippers are looking solid. Their front court needs some work though, that's their only weak spot.

Jenceman
07-06-2013, 11:20 PM
Wow! Cant even hate on them for this they got Collison Dirt cheap! Of course Mitch and Jim could never pull **** like this off...

Jenceman
07-06-2013, 11:22 PM
Lol calm down with the Clippers taking over LA. They have a better team sure, but the Lakers have 11 ships in this town. Clips doing great for themselves but they'll never, ever, have the pull the Lakers do in this town.

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 11:23 PM
The Clippers are looking solid. Their front court needs some work though, that's their only weak spot.

Like I said if Doc can get way more out of Blake and DJ... backup center isn't even a big need. Which team in the NBA has great backup PF/C? It's not even a common need. The only reason it's become one for us is DJ's utter failures and Blake's injuries come playoff time. If DJ and Blake improve a lot under Doc this summer, Hollins or Turiaf with Odom is fine.

Tony_Starks
07-06-2013, 11:28 PM
This could mean something good for the Lakers. Maybe Chauncey stays in LA and switches uniforms.

Him and Nash would be a AARP backcourt but still are great shooters.

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 11:32 PM
This could mean something good for the Lakers. Maybe Chauncey stays in LA and switches uniforms.

Him and Nash would be a AARP backcourt but still are great shooters.

PLEASE Lakers take Billups. Although I honestly don't see it because he's made it clear he's ring chasing this year. Will try Miami first, when they decline him beg to come back with the Clippers.

howiend
07-06-2013, 11:34 PM
r there any bigs the clips are looking at?

--23--
07-06-2013, 11:36 PM
This is a good pickup for the Clippers.

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 11:39 PM
r there any bigs the clips are looking at?

Mo Speights, J Oneil last I heard but we only have minimum. So would have to convince them to take a paycut to play with Doc+CP3 for a chance at a ring.

Aust
07-06-2013, 11:40 PM
This could mean something good for the Lakers. Maybe Chauncey stays in LA and switches uniforms.

Him and Nash would be a AARP backcourt but still are great shooters.

I wouldn't mind adding Billups. All of our old guys are going to get injured at some point anyways so when they do go down it will appear as if we were competing when we were actually tanking :)

Clippersfan86
07-06-2013, 11:45 PM
Bill Ingram @TheRocketGuy June 30th

"Mavs didn't give Darren Collison the QA today. He wants to win NOW, doesn't care about starting . . .just wants to contend.

Source close to the situation says money isn't even the object for Collison . . .it's all about winning."


This was last week. Love a man of his word.

DJiC
07-07-2013, 12:04 AM
add zaza to that list

Lakers + Giants
07-07-2013, 12:09 AM
amazing deal for clips. bledsoe replaced just like that. essentially dudley & reddick for butler, wow.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 12:14 AM
PER 36 of 15 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.3 apg, 1.5 spg on 57.5 percent TS and PER of 16.5. Not bad... not bad.

NoahH
07-07-2013, 12:17 AM
Weird move by Collison. I guess he's fine with backing up. I would think he'd try to go somewhere where he could start?

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 12:21 AM
Weird move by Collison. I guess he's fine with backing up. I would think he'd try to go somewhere where he could start?

Bill Ingram @TheRocketGuy June 30th

"Mavs didn't give Darren Collison the QA today. He wants to win NOW, doesn't care about starting. . .just wants to contend.

Source close to the situation says money isn't even the object for Collison. . .it's all about winning."


Which contender would he be an upgrade for at PG besides maybe the Heat?

LAKobeBryant
07-07-2013, 12:24 AM
reunite

NoahH
07-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Bill Ingram @TheRocketGuy June 30th

"Mavs didn't give Darren Collison the QA today. He wants to win NOW, doesn't care about starting. . .just wants to contend.

Source close to the situation says money isn't even the object for Collison. . .it's all about winning."


Which contender would he be an upgrade for at PG besides maybe the Heat?

Ok I didnt know he wanted to win NOW. That changes things lol

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 12:39 AM
Ok I didnt know he wanted to win NOW. That changes things lol

Just saying that's why he didn't care about starting. Better to be a bench player on a contender than play big minutes as a starter on a lotto team. At least that's what his motivation seemed to be. Surprised Miami didn't pursue him, but I know you guys run a system that minimizes PG and like Cole so maybe that's why.

heyman321
07-07-2013, 12:41 AM
They'll probably be eliminated by the Grizzlies in the first round again.

NoahH
07-07-2013, 01:00 AM
Just saying that's why he didn't care about starting. Better to be a bench player on a contender than play big minutes as a starter on a lotto team. At least that's what his motivation seemed to be. Surprised Miami didn't pursue him, but I know you guys run a system that minimizes PG and like Cole so maybe that's why.

If he was willing to take 1.5mill a year in Miami I would've scooped him up if I were Pat Riley! Collison > Chalmers.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 01:03 AM
If he was willing to take 1.5mill a year in Miami I would've scooped him up if I were Pat Riley! Collison > Chalmers.

True I guess as starter. He's making 1.9 mill though because Barnes took a paycut for him. So they split the MLE 3.2 mill for Barnes, 1.9 for Collison.

IndyRealist
07-07-2013, 01:10 AM
Collison was all about being a starter last year, which is why he was traded from Indiana. Shame he didn't figure this out back then, we would have paid him more and could really use him. He's quick, an excellent shooter, a good defender, and good on the drive. Not a great pick n' roll guy though.

Jarvo
07-07-2013, 01:15 AM
Lol idk if all are you are serious with all this Clippers Finals talk

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 01:18 AM
Lol idk if all are you are serious with all this Clippers Finals talk

Vegas has them at 3rd best odds right now, right there with OKC and Miami. If they make one more decent addition they likely move to second. Maybe everybody is just crazy. :rolleyes:

Avenged
07-07-2013, 01:23 AM
Wooooow. This is a ****ing amazing move by the Clippers. Props.

IversonIsKrazy
07-07-2013, 01:38 AM
Wow. How in the world was he THAT cheap! Solid pickup for Clips!

Jarvo
07-07-2013, 02:30 AM
Vegas has them at 3rd best odds right now, right there with OKC and Miami. If they make one more decent addition they likely move to second. Maybe everybody is just crazy. :rolleyes:

Not saying anyone is crazy but pump the brakes just a bit.

Losoway
07-07-2013, 02:31 AM
very impressed.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 02:36 AM
Not saying anyone is crazy but pump the brakes just a bit.

They have the talent to get to the finals and now the coach. Nobody is crowning them champs but to suggest possibly finals isn't a huge reach.

Tony_Starks
07-07-2013, 02:47 AM
They'll probably be eliminated by the Grizzlies in the first round again.

Doc Rivers vs a rookie coach? Advantage Clippers.

Method28
07-07-2013, 02:54 AM
They'll probably be eliminated by the Grizzlies in the first round again.

1 to 1 in terms of playoff series over the past two years. Not like its been one sided lol

looka09
07-07-2013, 03:04 AM
Wow, talk about steal..

bluesickle
07-07-2013, 05:45 AM
Considering that Collison is from SoCal, it probably made too much sense for him to take less money to play for a contender in front of his hometown crowd. Collison's only 25 too so kind of strange that he'd forgo millions to chase a title already.

MagicBucsSox
07-07-2013, 06:08 AM
You jelly? Clippers dominating 3rd straight offseason.

Jelly of what? Your hype off news. Your te has much a chance to win a title as my magic

astonmartin10
07-07-2013, 06:13 AM
That is great value. I thought he would have received more from a different team. Guess he wants to win

Iron24th
07-07-2013, 06:27 AM
Very good signing

MagicBucsSox
07-07-2013, 06:34 AM
Doc Rivers vs a rookie coach? Advantage Clippers.

Lmao doc rivers,ohhhhhh the irony. Before kg and ray Allen saved his job this guy was a nobody, Boston arena had no sell outs, ppl had bags over their face with "fire doc" on them ,team was booed........they get kg and boom!!! "Oh doc is a top 5 coach" ...... Spare me.

And ppl quick to mention. tmac never getting out the first round, well who was his coach? Doc is overrated

goingfor28
07-07-2013, 07:36 AM
Lol at all the people hating

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 09:54 AM
Jelly of what? Your hype off news. Your te has much a chance to win a title as my magic

7/1 odds vs like 5000/1 odds. Yup same chance.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 09:55 AM
Lmao doc rivers,ohhhhhh the irony. Before kg and ray Allen saved his job this guy was a nobody, Boston arena had no sell outs, ppl had bags over their face with "fire doc" on them ,team was booed........they get kg and boom!!! "Oh doc is a top 5 coach" ...... Spare me.

And ppl quick to mention. tmac never getting out the first round, well who was his coach? Doc is overrated

The same nobody that won coach of the year his first year coaching for YOUR TEAM? :laugh2: stay striking out brah.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 24s
There is some confusion/surprise around the NBA today that Darren Collison was available for so cheap. Nice move by Clips.

This tweet made me chuckle.

Avenged
07-07-2013, 11:33 AM
1.9m is insane. I feel like every team got ripped off not knowing he was that cheap.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 11:35 AM
1.9m is insane. I feel like every team got ripped off not knowing he was that cheap.

Hahaha... the sig is priceless. Bynum's phase where he had like 5 funky hairstyles in 2 weeks was beyond hilarious. The pic you have right now had me laughing for like 2 minutes straight. Thought it was fake at first.

mjt20mik
07-07-2013, 11:40 AM
Good pickup! Hopefully they will do some damage next season. Blake definitely needs to get better.

Hardaway Here
07-07-2013, 11:59 AM
I bet he is glad to be back in SoCal again

Chronz
07-07-2013, 12:24 PM
Collison was all about being a starter last year, which is why he was traded from Indiana. Shame he didn't figure this out back then, we would have paid him more and could really use him. He's quick, an excellent shooter, a good defender, and good on the drive. Not a great pick n' roll guy though.

Maybe Indy just isnt a good PnR team because that seemed to be all he was good at in New Orleans IMO. Could have been CP3 constant guidance

Chronz
07-07-2013, 12:26 PM
Lmao doc rivers,ohhhhhh the irony. Before kg and ray Allen saved his job this guy was a nobody, Boston arena had no sell outs, ppl had bags over their face with "fire doc" on them ,team was booed........they get kg and boom!!! "Oh doc is a top 5 coach" ...... Spare me.

And ppl quick to mention. tmac never getting out the first round, well who was his coach? Doc is overrated

Doc was overachieving long before Boston. Its why he won COY on a .500 team.

And why would we care what ignorant fans do?

KnickaBocka.44
07-07-2013, 12:32 PM
Lmao doc rivers,ohhhhhh the irony. Before kg and ray Allen saved his job this guy was a nobody, Boston arena had no sell outs, ppl had bags over their face with "fire doc" on them ,team was booed........they get kg and boom!!! "Oh doc is a top 5 coach" ...... Spare me.

And ppl quick to mention. tmac never getting out the first round, well who was his coach? Doc is overrated

It's crazy how few people remember this. Before they got there his team went from winning the division to less than 25 wins in 3 years.

MrfadeawayJB
07-07-2013, 12:33 PM
With a roster like that, anything other than a wcf or finals appearance is disappointing

KnickaBocka.44
07-07-2013, 12:40 PM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 24s
There is some confusion/surprise around the NBA today that Darren Collison was available for so cheap. Nice move by Clips.

This tweet made me chuckle.

He likely wasn't that cheap for every team. The Clippers are literally the perfect situation for him.

Born and raised in Rancho Cucamonga, went to UCLA, was CP3's backup when he first came into the league. Now he knows that he really is a backup caliber PG (upper echelon backup, but a backup nonetheless) and now he gets to go home, play for a contender in a role he is comfortable with and at least one very important teammate who has helped him grow before in the NBA.

Props to the Clippers for getting the deal done and props to Collison for being willing to take a paycut in order to be where he truly wants to be.

showtym24
07-07-2013, 12:46 PM
You jelly? Clippers dominating 3rd straight offseason.

Lol yall have been dominating these offseasons.

D-Leethal
07-07-2013, 12:58 PM
Eric Bledsoe trade looks even sweeter now.

Chronz
07-07-2013, 01:15 PM
Good off season for the Clips but 3 straight? Dont see it, lets not overstate our relative success.

VikesTwinsWolve
07-07-2013, 01:19 PM
PLEASE Lakers take Billups. Although I honestly don't see it because he's made it clear he's ring chasing this year. Will try Miami first, when they decline him beg to come back with the Clippers.

You act like you didn't get swept out the playoffs last year haha. You haven't won anything yet........

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 01:19 PM
Good off season for the Clips but 3 straight? Dont see it, lets not overstate our relative success.

Yes 3 straight great offseasons.

Year 1: Acquired CP3, 3 total starters, 3 other bench rotation players.

Year 2: Turned the 27th ranked bench into the 1st ranked bench.

Year 3: Acquired Doc Rivers, upgraded two starters, replaced Bledsoe with a near equal within a week.

Clippers have been runner up in exec of the year two years in a row although everybody knows 2011 should of been a win and the Clips got robbed.

Clippersfan86
07-07-2013, 01:24 PM
I'm not claiming we have won something or proclaiming what will happen this year but no reason to be modest about the last 3 offseasons where the Clippers have been incredible, league best over that span probably.

THE MTL
07-07-2013, 01:42 PM
What the hell so cheap. I guess he misses backing up Chris Paul lol

N3TS
07-07-2013, 02:33 PM
I like this deal, its a solid signing. Collison will be backing up CP3 again like he was a couple of seasons ago when they where in NOLA.

TheNumber37
07-07-2013, 03:15 PM
I saw the headline and said.. "Wooooo." So the price and increased the volume. 1.5 million per? He better have a player option because he is sure to play himself out of that price. Guy coulda gotten like 4 or 5 mil per year else where.

This might be the steal of the off season. Not that Collison is THAT good, but he could start for some teams and has played his best when filling in for CP3 in the past. He also returns to Cali to get some of that UCLA roots going. They just need a real big to sure them up. They should look at Jermaine O'neal.

RLundi
07-07-2013, 03:40 PM
Clips are becoming my new favorite non-favorite team. Can't wait to see them play. That depth will bode very well for them in the regular season. I can see them being a top-5 team in the league. Unsure about the success they'll have in the postseason though.

But who would have EVER thought that the Clippers and not the Lakers would be the best team in the city, have the most buzz and have a brighter future?? Unfathomable.

AddiX
07-07-2013, 03:52 PM
How did they pull this off? Somethings not right here.

goingfor28
07-07-2013, 03:58 PM
How did they pull this off? Somethings not right here.

Matt Barnes took a hometown discount to save money to use on Collison, who also took less to return to LA

AddiX
07-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Matt Barnes took a hometown discount to save money to use on Collison, who also took less to return to LA

Nice, good players taking less $ to play for the clips while stars are leaving $ on the table to leave the lakers.

What NBA is this?

eDush
07-07-2013, 04:24 PM
Getting Calderon would have been much better but Collison will make a sufficient backup. JJ and Dudley will spread the floor for Griffin to do what he does best in the paint. Jam:cheers:

bleedprple&gold
07-07-2013, 04:58 PM
Getting Calderon would have been much better but Collison will make a sufficient backup. JJ and Dudley will spread the floor for Griffin to do what he does best in the paint. Jam:cheers:

Calderon got $7 mil per year. He was way out of their price range.

bleedprple&gold
07-07-2013, 04:59 PM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 24s
There is some confusion/surprise around the NBA today that Darren Collison was available for so cheap. Nice move by Clips.

This tweet made me chuckle.

Under the table deal possibly?

ThuglifeJ
07-07-2013, 05:19 PM
lol have fun with Collison. Hes not the Collison that surprised everyone back in NO or Indiana.. He was absolutely terrible last season I couldn't believe how much of a ***** he was to even move on the court. The price is good and he's probably gonna be better than last season.

just keep in mind the Mavs went out of their way to sign DERRICK FISHER to play because Collison was so bad and then MIKE JAMES for the remainder of the season once Fisher left. They even tried their 3rd string D league guard Dominique Jones at PG.

Nonbar
07-07-2013, 05:46 PM
Collison very good pickup as a backup for CP3. The Clippers are making wise decisions for the past 2 seasons. WTG :clap:

Cracka2HI!
07-07-2013, 10:40 PM
Clippers are going after Jamison now...that would be a pretty impressive lineup if they pull it off...

C Jordan
PF Griffin
SF Dudley
SG Redick
PG Paul

SG Crawford
SF Barnes
PG Collison
PF Jamison
C Hollins

They probably upgrade from Hollins as well. Maybe Odom comes back or they pickup a Jermaine O'neal of Dalembert...

WARRIORS@GR
07-07-2013, 10:47 PM
Dalembert>DJ lol
He should start if you get him.

Cracka2HI!
07-07-2013, 10:58 PM
I'm hoping Doc improves DJ but yea we realize he is the weak link at this point.

tredigs
07-07-2013, 11:35 PM
I do not think Jamison or Collison will help any teams win when it matters, but it's nice regular season depth to rest the starters. And thuglife is right, they were doing everything they could to avoid playing Collison. Also, he's never made over 2.3 million, so this doesn't seem too low does it?

John Walls Era
07-08-2013, 12:00 AM
lololol wow what a great signing. I remember when Darren Collison almost made CP3 expendable the year CP3 was hurt for the Hornets.

Clippersfan86
07-08-2013, 01:25 AM
Tre how many 10th men are vital in the playoffs? Of course guys like Jamison won't be real difference makes come playoff time when the rotations tighten up (Vinny failed to get the memo last year, big part of why we got slaughtered). Like you mentioned the key to depth is regular season rest for starters and injury insurance. Even at his age Jamison although inefficient has some value as a volume scorer/stretch 4 who can rebound decently. If he's your 10th or 11th best player you're in REALLY good shape as a team.

I'm hearing right now it's down to Odom or Jamison for the front office. Odom is a way better rebounder and defender but offensively is AWFUL.. and Jamison is a solid offensive player but AWFUL defensively. Now people may be quick to say we should take the defense.. but last year we had an all time great bench defense and come playoff time those guys couldn't hit a damn shot and it cost us dearly. In other words for starters defense is maybe more important for role players.. but for bench players offense is FAR superior I'm thinking.

PacersForLife
07-08-2013, 02:24 AM
lol have fun with Collison. Hes not the Collison that surprised everyone back in NO or Indiana..

Heck, he wasn't even that amazing in Indiana. He had an average season and then got his starting role taken by George Hill the next year. This is still a good deal for the Clips though... He's suited much better to be a backup and it's too bad he didn't realize this until now.

FOBolous
07-08-2013, 02:51 AM
i don't know why no one's talking about the clippers. with all the moves they're making, they're going to be in the upper echelon of the Western Conference right now to OKC and SAS and HOU (possibly :p)

ThuglifeJ
07-08-2013, 03:04 AM
^because Clippersfan86 takes care of that in every single thread

Clippersfan86
07-08-2013, 10:01 AM
^because Clippersfan86 takes care of that in every single thread

Give us some more basketball analysis man. I miss reading your unique take on sports.

Sly Guy
07-08-2013, 10:23 AM
lol, goin' back to learn from his former mentor.

SteBO
07-08-2013, 10:25 AM
Collison had his best years in New Orleans playing behind CP3, and there's no better PG in the league to learn from.

Chronz
07-08-2013, 12:38 PM
Yes 3 straight great offseasons.

Year 1: Acquired CP3, 3 total starters, 3 other bench rotation players.
Anytime you trade for a guy like CP3, you had a great offseason but thats not the same as "Stacking the deck".
Still, am I suppose to be impressed with the horrendous signing of Caron Butler? 3 other bench rotation players? You mean the rentals we found not worth keeping a year later? I think management (aka CP3) did a better job midseason when we added K-Mart and Evans.


Year 2: Turned the 27th ranked bench into the 1st ranked bench.
Even if I believed your ranking, I still dont see this as some giant stacking the deck kind of move, certainly nothing to gloat over.. Frankly, Odom was a waste at his salary. We should have traded for KG and Pierce when we had the chance, I give the Clips some leeway on this one because it was just a rumor but if the reports were true then it was a total waste of a season due to managerial negligence IMO.


Year 3: Acquired Doc Rivers, upgraded two starters, replaced Bledsoe with a near equal within a week.

Near equal, I thought you were high on Bledsoe, or is that no longer the case now that hes gone??? Anyways, yeah this was a great offseason, just like the first.


Clippers have been runner up in exec of the year two years in a row although everybody knows 2011 should of been a win and the Clips got robbed.You mean the 2012 exec award because 2011 went to Riley. Bird shouldn't have gotten it for getting rid of Kawhi, but I dont recall what other moves were made.

Clippersfan86
07-08-2013, 12:47 PM
Anytime you trade for a guy like CP3, you had a great offseason but thats not the same as "Stacking the deck".
Still, am I suppose to be impressed with the horrendous signing of Caron Butler? 3 other bench rotation players? You mean the rentals we found not worth keeping a year later? I think management (aka CP3) did a better job midseason when we added K-Mart and Evans.


Even if I believed your ranking, I still dont see this as some giant stacking the deck kind of move, certainly nothing to gloat over.. Frankly, Odom was a waste at his salary. We should have traded for KG and Pierce when we had the chance, I give the Clips some leeway on this one because it was just a rumor but if the reports were true then it was a total waste of a season due to managerial negligence IMO.


Near equal, I thought you were high on Bledsoe, or is that no longer the case now that hes gone??? Anyways, yeah this was a great offseason, just like the first.

You mean the 2012 exec award because 2011 went to Riley. Bird shouldn't have gotten it for getting rid of Kawhi, but I dont recall what other moves were made.

Sorry yes 2012. I am very high on Bledsoe still and think he's going to be a way better player. I just think our bench needs to be A LOT more offense oriented this year and that Collison's scoring/passing off the bench may mesh better with guys like Barnes. Plus Collison has more experience, is used to CP3 and is CHEAPER than Bledsoe surprisingly lol. It was painful in the playoffs to watch our bench regularly go 5 minutes without a bucket. I expect that to change now.

I agree Butler/Billups ended up declining quick and being short term options but still a good job of the front office to get rotation players in free agency by the volume we did. You're right we got Martin/Young midseason but that still factors into Exec of the year of course despite not being the "offseason" technically. Half of the rotation in 2012 was added that year.

Here are the bench changes. Both offense and defense. We were near league worst in 2011-2012 and THE best overall in the league the next year.

2012: 26th ranked offense, 23rd ranked defense.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/12/7/pts/1-1


2013: 2nd ranked offensive bench (scoring+assists+efficiency) and 1st ranked defensive bench by a huge margin.


http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/13/7/diffeff/1-1

Chronz
07-08-2013, 01:01 PM
I do not think Jamison or Collison will help any teams win when it matters, but it's nice regular season depth to rest the starters. And thuglife is right, they were doing everything they could to avoid playing Collison. Also, he's never made over 2.3 million, so this doesn't seem too low does it?

Normally I wouldn't think focusing on the backup to be a fair critique but given how important Bledsoe has been to us in the playoffs, I think its a good complaint. If Blake and DJ lose their manhood for the 3rd post season in a row, then we arent doing **** anyways.

Chronz
07-08-2013, 01:07 PM
I agree Butler/Billups ended up declining quick and being short term options but still a good job of the front office to get rotation players in free agency by the volume we did.
I never said that. Butler was a bad decision from day 1. Chauncey was a great addition, Id much rather take a risk on a player with potential for success/injury than an injury risk with very little payoff potential.


You're right we got Martin/Young midseason but that still factors into Exec of the year of course despite not being the "offseason" technically. Half of the rotation in 2012 was added that year.
Got ya, and yea it was a good year but stacking the deck? Not when the best moves were for the likes of K-Mart and Chuckster.



2012: 26th ranked offense, 23rd ranked defense.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/12/7/pts/1-1


2013: 2nd ranked offensive bench (scoring+assists+efficiency) and 1st ranked defensive bench by a huge margin.


http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/13/7/diffeff/1-1

Those are some pretty horrible barometers breh. Never use the chocobar stat for anything other than the llullz

Ill just take you at your word and my eyes because we were obviously a good bench team.

Clippersfan86
07-08-2013, 01:15 PM
Chronz what is your opinion of Jamison vs Odom? Woj just reported we are close to signing Jamison. I noticed last year Jamison put up like 10/5 in 17 mpg on OKAY efficiency but I know a lot of people hate him for his terrible D. Thing is Odom last year didn't seem much better?

Clippersfan86
07-08-2013, 01:17 PM
I never said that. Butler was a bad decision from day 1. Chauncey was a great addition, Id much rather take a risk on a player with potential for success/injury than an injury risk with very little payoff potential.


Got ya, and yea it was a good year but stacking the deck? Not when the best moves were for the likes of K-Mart and Chuckster.



Those are some pretty horrible barometers breh. Never use the chocobar stat for anything other than the llullz

Ill just take you at your word and my eyes because we were obviously a good bench team.

Is Chocobar hoopsdata? I didn't realize it was that bad. Either way though from those numbers somebody like you who enjoys stats can probably come up with some sort of accurate conclusion? I agree by my eyes our 2012 bench wasn't even that bad, although no doubt last year was way better.