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ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:03 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Andre Igoudala has reached agreement with Golden State on a four year, $48 million deal with the Warriors, league source tells Y! Sports.

Marcus Thompson ‏@gswscribe 1m
Confirmed: Andre Iguodala has agreed to sign with Warriors, made possible by sending Jefferson and Biedrins to Utah

lincecum=future
07-05-2013, 04:03 PM
**** yeah

lincecum=future
07-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Klay or Barnes coming off the bench?

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Hahahaahahahahaahahha omg omg omg

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:04 PM
:flag:

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:04 PM
Curry/Klay/Barnes/Igudola/Rush/Bogut/Lee ITS OVER

lol, please
07-05-2013, 04:07 PM
Curry
Iggy
Barnes
Lee
Howard

:dance:

RUN DMC 20
07-05-2013, 04:09 PM
So Barnes to the bench? Woj said the Warriors Dropped out of the D12 race.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:09 PM
Do we still have enough cap room to bring re-sign Jack? I can see us looking to trade Rush for a backup power forward now, maybe Taj Gibson?

PG: Curry//Jack//Machado
SG: Thompson//Iguodala//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Iguodala//Green
PF: Lee//Gibson//Green
C: Bogut//Ezeli//Gibson

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:09 PM
I think Iguodala should come off the bench.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 04:10 PM
wow- next ... dwight howard

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:10 PM
Do we still have enough cap room to bring re-sign Jack? I can see us looking to trade Rush for a backup power forward now, maybe Taj Gibson?

PG: Curry//Jack//Machado
SG: Thompson//Iguodala//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Iguodala//Green
PF: Lee//Gibson//Green
C: Bogut//Ezeli//Gibson

Warriors still aren't out of talks with Howard. Can't you seee.... Warriors are gonna package Thompson with Bogut + draft pick(s) for howard. you heard it here first.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:10 PM
Well we know Iggy isn't gonna be coming off the bench, but what about Klay. He can't be happy with this. Klay and Bogut to LA for Dwight?

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:10 PM
It will be Curry-Iggy-Barnes-Lee-D12 with Rush off bench

RUN DMC 20
07-05-2013, 04:11 PM
I want Klay Coming off the bench.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:11 PM
Andre Iguodala ‏@andre 2m
Yo @StephenCurry30 LETS GET IT!!!!

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 3m
Just spoke with @andre, who says of his deal with GSW: "it's a great opportunity. I'm trying to win a championship."

lincecum=future
07-05-2013, 04:11 PM
The lineup of curry Thompson AI Barnes and lee down the stretch will be dirty

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:12 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m
FWIW, Iguodala says he does not know what Howard is going to do: "If he comes to Golden State as well, it's going to be even scarier.

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:12 PM
guys.. we are the new superteam....

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:13 PM
this team TALENT WISE, can beat the heat in a playoff series. yes they havent played together, but talent wise... we can contend folks

lincecum=future
07-05-2013, 04:13 PM
I bet Dwight would want to come here now. Still don't think the lakers want a sign and trade though

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:13 PM
We dropped out of the Howard chase. Woj reported it.

Leandres_sf
07-05-2013, 04:14 PM
Holy ****!!

lincecum=future
07-05-2013, 04:18 PM
Our 2 and 3's are sick ! All can shoot and defend.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:18 PM
We dropped out of the Howard chase. Woj reported it.

New report

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 53s
Warriors still working to make moves, so my suggestion they're out of play with Dwight Howard is premature. They have tentacles everywhere.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 04:18 PM
So Barnes to the bench? Woj said the Warriors Dropped out of the D12 race.

I hope not!!! does anybody know what is coming back from Utah? Im afraid to go int he jazz forum to look into the trade further hahaha

RUN DMC 20
07-05-2013, 04:18 PM
We traded rush :(

Warriors4lyfe12
07-05-2013, 04:20 PM
so we just dumped 20 mil in cap next season and took on 12 mil... 8 mil in cap still, and trying to get rid of bogut's 14 mil... if we can get bogut out, we can have a Curry, Klay/Iguodala, Barnes, Lee, Howard lineup... we will have "Not 1, Not 2, Not 3, Not 4, Not 5, Not 6...." lol

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 04:20 PM
We dropped out of the Howard chase. Woj reported it.

Bogut and Iggy for Dwight and Artest?

Would we be allowed to do that?

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:21 PM
Ken Berger @KBergCBS
If Dwight Howard chooses the Warriors and Lakers want to do sign-and-trade -- two big ifs -- Golden State will engage, source says.

steveweve
07-05-2013, 04:22 PM
Bogut and Iggy for Dwight and Artest?

Would we be allowed to do that?

Warriors aren't trading iggy, he's here to stay

Warriors4lyfe12
07-05-2013, 04:23 PM
We traded rush :(

I know it's sad... but giving up 24mil in cap to take on 12 mil... we still have 12 mil to build a good bench, compared to last year where we only had like 6 mil

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 04:24 PM
LA Sports radio is now strongly advocating S/T

Warriors4lyfe12
07-05-2013, 04:26 PM
I think we Signed Iggy just for the purposes of giving up Barnes... I think we are going to do a Barnes, Bogut, draft pick S&T...

MackShock
07-05-2013, 04:29 PM
Guppy will be mind raped if Thompson is benched.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:29 PM
The Warriors have reached a four-year deal worth $48 million with free agent swingman Andre Iguodala, multiple sources confirm.
The Warriors cleared the cap space by trading the expiring contracts of Andris Biedrins, Richard Jefferson and Brandon Rush to Utah. The deal may include multiple picks as well.
The deal lands the Warriors an upgrade on the perimeter. According to multiple sources, Iguodala — who Golden State has wanted for a while — wants to play for the Warriors. He’s a big fan of coach Mark Jackson and Stephen Curry, and his game fits the Warriors style of play. Part of the reason, per one source, Iguodala did not sign Sacramento’s four-year, $52 million offer was because he wanted to see if there were a chance he could play for the Warriors.
Golden State can still get Dwight Howard, but only via sign-and-trade. The Warriors now have no other expiring contracts to send to the Lakers. So Golden State would probably have to pair Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson with center Andrew Bogut to convince the lakers.

Mracus Thompson

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:30 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Golden State is sending multiple draft picks to Utah to unload the $24 million, including 2014 first-rounder, sources tell Y!

MackShock
07-05-2013, 04:31 PM
looks like we traded Monta for Iggy after all

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:31 PM
lololol
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Denver offered Andre Iguodala a 4-year, $52M deal -- as well as 5-year scenarios -- before he accepted Warriors deal, sources tell Y!

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:35 PM
This is straight up insane. How the hell did the Warriors pull this off!?

PatelJ1010
07-05-2013, 04:39 PM
3:27pm: Murphy will be sent to the Warriors in the trade, tweets Sam Amick of USA Today. Meanwhile, Wojnarowski tweets that multiple draft picks are headed to the Jazz, including a 2014 first-rounder.

3:23pm: Brandon Rush is also headed to Utah in the deal, according to Marcus Thompson of the Bay Area News Group. Shedding Rush's salary as well will give Golden State room under the cap to sign Iguodala.

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com adds (via Twitter) that the Warriors will receive a non-guaranteed contract from Utah in the trade. That player will be either Kevin Murphy or Jerel McNeal.

2:57pm: The Warriors have reached an agreement on a salary-dump trade with the Jazz, according to Adrian Wojnarowksi of Yahoo! Sports (via Twitter). Andris Biedrins and Richard Jefferson will be heading to Utah in the deal, reports TNT's David Aldridge (via Twitter).

Rumors relating to the Warriors' trade talks with the Jazz had been swirling all day, as Golden State looked for a way to clear cap space to make a run at Dwight Howard and/or Andre Iguodala. The team ended up reaching an agreement to bring Iguodala aboard, and hasn't been entirely ruled out of the race for Howard.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 04:40 PM
Best FO in the league right now! **** you Larry Ellison dick riders! lol jk

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:40 PM
Peter Vecsey ‏@PeterVecsey1 1m

Warriors remain determined 2 sign EHoward, either in sign-n-trade or outright. Can clear enough $ by trading Bogut 4 No. 1, I'm informed

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:41 PM
I feel like Dwight is waiting to see if the Warriors can unload Bogut.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 04:43 PM
Wow! if dwight want to come here all we have to do is trade Bogut for a future pick!!! Its all up to Dwight. Its an easy choice!

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 04:44 PM
Would you guys want Barnes at the 4 if we can trade Lee for bench upgrade?

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:46 PM
There are reports that the Warriors would have enough to sign Dwight if we traded Bogut for a 1st round pick.

Curry
Thompson/Iguodala
Barnes/Iguodala
Lee
Howard

:drool:

Warriors4lyfe12
07-05-2013, 04:46 PM
Barnes at the 4 was a beast in the playoffs... BUT he is VERY undersized

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Maybe Cleveland wants Bogut still?

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Marcus Thompson ‏@gswscribe 1m
I'm being told the Warriors are still not out of the Dwight Howard sweepstakes | http://bit.ly/12LOJRB

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:52 PM
Barnes can't play the 4 for 82 games.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:53 PM
Ty Lawson's mad aha "Business is business" on twitter

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 04:53 PM
You could argue that if offer Bogut AND Klay to a team..we could get a first rounder.

I think the Lakers **** us over and do not let our team have the best lineup in the NBA

ESaady
07-05-2013, 04:56 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 30s
Golden State will send first-round picks in 2014 and 2017 to the Jazz, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 04:58 PM
That's allot to give up for just Iguodala. They have to believe getting Iguodala made them favorites to land Dwight.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:00 PM
Yeah. I think Iguadala is a packaged deal with Howard.

Now the question is....how are we unloading Bogut....

steveweve
07-05-2013, 05:01 PM
Yeah. I think Iguadala is a packaged deal with Howard.

Now the question is....how are we unloading Bogut....

Warriors aren't trading iggy...

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:02 PM
Jesus ****ing Christ

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Beyond the two first-rounders to the Jazz, Golden State has included future second-round picks in deal too, sources tell Y! Sports.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 05:06 PM
Jesus ****ing Christ

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Beyond the two first-rounders to the Jazz, Golden State has included future second-round picks in deal too, sources tell Y! Sports.
It dont matter, we will buy better picks anyway :laugh:

steveweve
07-05-2013, 05:07 PM
It dont matter, we will buy better picks anyway :laugh:

This!!!

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:07 PM
If we don't get Dwight, that could be considered a bad trade to be honnest.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:09 PM
lolz
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m
Dallas Mavericks have been officially notified they are out of Dwight Howard Sweepstakes, sources tell ESPN

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:10 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 1m
Another shoe drops: Utah will indeed have to renounce its rights to Paul Millsap to make deal with Golden State, per source.

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 05:11 PM
Jesus ****ing Christ

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Beyond the two first-rounders to the Jazz, Golden State has included future second-round picks in deal too, sources tell Y! Sports.

Gotta be something more to this, no freaking way 2 1st and 1 2nd rounder for Iggy! The W's could have kept the team the way it is and make to the playoffs. Also with possibilities to get picks for dumping one or 2 of their expiries.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:13 PM
Warriors aren't trading iggy...

read that again.

I didnt say he was. Im saying its an attractive aquisition to get Howard.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:14 PM
If the lakers dont accept Bogut+ Barnes/Thompson for Dwight they are ****ing bitter morons.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 05:15 PM
We gave up Rush too, who is kinda like Iggy lite. Its a good move for the Jazz since they have basically no one on contract and they have to reach the league minimum

TrueFan420
07-05-2013, 05:15 PM
Gotta be something more to this, no freaking way 2 1st and 1 2nd rounder for Iggy! The W's could have kept the team the way it is and make to the playoffs. Also with possibilities to get picks for dumping one or 2 of their expiries.

Look at the big picture this deal is so we can now trade Barnes and bogut for Dwight. I know everyone wants Barnes over Kay but Kay is a better fit with iggy and Howard


Edit hungover didnt read right your right there more

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:16 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 3m
Smart trade by GSW. Got out of 2014 lux tax hell while frantically waving the Iggy carrot in front of a waffling Dwight. I liked the move.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 05:16 PM
If the lakers dont accept Bogut+ Barnes/Thompson for Dwight they are ****ing bitter morons.

I wouldn't even offer it to them. Just trade Bogut for a pick and keep Thompson and Barnes! Luck the Fakers!

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:16 PM
The picks are irrelevant, we can get better picks through buying/trading closer to the time. And we gave up what? Biedrins and Jefferson, two of the most overpaid and useless players in the league and then Brandon Rush who I actually liked.

In return we get? Iguodala. Arguably the best defender at his position and a great athlete. Two things we've been lacking, defense and athleticism.

If we do manage to get Dwight through trading Bogut and Klay we'll have a starting five of; Curry - Iggy - Barnes - Lee - Dwight. That is an unreal lineup, arguably the best we've had since Run TMC.

If we don't get Dwight, we have Curry - Iggy - Barnes - Lee - Bogut. If everyone stays healthy that's a very good lineup, and we would have Klay coming off the bench along with Ezeli and Green. We'll need to find a new backup PF and PG though considering we've lost Jack and Landry, but both of those guys are easily replaced with cheaper options. Having Klay come off the bench means we will have an outside threat constantly.


Any way I look at this it's a good deal. My only concerns would be;

1. Dwight's ego. I still maintain that without Kobe to compete with he'll be fine. He had issues in LA because of that plus injuries and he had issues in Orlando because of the coaching and managements lack of interest in building around him, we already have a very motivational coach and a great supporting cast for him.

2. Chemistry. Iggy is a good guy, I doubt he'll be a problem. But Dwight might not fit in as well?

3. Health. Same old story.

4. Trading Barnes. Personally I'm okay with trading Bogut and Klay for Dwight if the first three points I just made aren't an issue. But I would not be happy with trading Barnes.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 05:17 PM
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 3m
Smart trade by GSW. Got out of 2014 lux tax hell while frantically waving the Iggy carrot in front of a waffling Dwight. I liked the move.

Iggy is my new favorite carrot

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:17 PM
Yeah as much as Barnes is going to be a stud. Klay is a better fit with Iggy and Dwight

Klay is STILL going to be a stud. We are in a pretty good position here.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:18 PM
Look at the big picture this deal is so we can now trade Barnes and bogut for Dwight. I know everyone wants Barnes over Kay but Kay is a better fit with iggy and Howard

Not really. Where do you play them? Both Klay and Iggy are at their best as 2 guards.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't even offer it to them. Just trade Bogut for a pick and keep Thompson and Barnes! Luck the Fakers!

The problem with that...

Houston could easily offer picks to the lakers in a S&T and they would get howard.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:19 PM
Iguodala stats say he's better at small forward. Plus the spacing with Thompson would be much better, than the spacing with Barnes.

TrueFan420
07-05-2013, 05:21 PM
Iguodala stats say he's better at small forward. Plus the spacing with Thompson would be much better, than the spacing with Barnes.

Agreed

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:21 PM
You have to have shooters to surround Iggy and Dwight.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:23 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 34s
Before Golden State deals, Dwight Howard had narrowed his choices to the Lakers and Rockets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:24 PM
Iguodala stats say he's better at small forward. Plus the spacing with Thompson would be much better, than the spacing with Barnes.

When did he say that? Proof please.

He's better at the 2 position, always has been.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:25 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 34s
Before Golden State deals, Dwight Howard had narrowed his choices to the Lakers and Rockets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

well...that hurts

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:25 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 54s
Golden State hasn't been informed that Howard has eliminated them, nor given up hope of landing him. Unclear how their deals impact his plan

winwarriorslose
07-05-2013, 05:26 PM
Iguodala stats say he's better at small forward. Plus the spacing with Thompson would be much better, than the spacing with Barnes.

Harrison Barnes can do much more than Klay though...and Klay is streaky everybody says he's an elite shooter yet he shot 42% cuz he cant make a ****ing layup...Barnes will be the better player than Klay why not keep Barnes? Barnes can be a solid shooter too as we saw in the playoffs while Klay was busy working on his best Houdini impression..."disappearing act"

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:27 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 54s
Golden State hasn't been informed that Howard has eliminated them, nor given up hope of landing him. Unclear how their deals impact his plan

Was just about to post that lol.


So he ruled us out, then he heard about the deal, and now he's undecided again haha!

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 05:27 PM
Now its just a matter how bad Dwight wants to be here. You can make all the moves to land him but if hes not happy....well...we saw how that goes.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 05:28 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 34s
Before Golden State deals, Dwight Howard had narrowed his choices to the Lakers and Rockets, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Ouch, hopefully the Iggy trade puts us back in it. If not, im good with the roster we have now.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:29 PM
Harrison Barnes can do much more than Klay though...and Klay is streaky everybody says he's an elite shooter yet he shot 42% cuz he cant make a ****ing layup...Barnes will be the better player than Klay why not keep Barnes? Barnes can be a solid shooter too as we saw in the playoffs while Klay was busy working on his best Houdini impression..."disappearing act"

I'm inclined to agree, at least partially. I think Klay has the ability to become an elite shooter but he's likely going to remain a catch and shoot guy.

Barnes on the other hand will be more well rounded and has the ability to stretch the floor as well. He'll never shoot the 3 as well as Klay does, but he'll be able to do it well enough and will be more versatile offensively.

Then again, I do like Klay, would be a shame to break up the splash brothers. He'll need to bulk up and get better at finishing at the rim though.

winwarriorslose
07-05-2013, 05:31 PM
I'm inclined to agree, at least partially. I think Klay has the ability to become an elite shooter but he's likely going to remain a catch and shoot guy.

Barnes on the other hand will be more well rounded and has the ability to stretch the floor as well. He'll never shoot the 3 as well as Klay does, but he'll be able to do it well enough and will be more versatile offensively.

Then again, I do like Klay, would be a shame to break up the splash brothers. He'll need to bulk up and get better at finishing at the rim though.

I just don't understand why he goes for these soft *** layups half the time when he can just dunk it....IT MAKES NO SENSE

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:34 PM
He has to learn to play with an aggression.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:37 PM
He has to learn to play with an aggression.

Better change your sig.


So let's just be hypothetical and say we don't get Howard. Who do we grab for backup forward and point?

winwarriorslose
07-05-2013, 05:39 PM
He has to learn to play with an aggression.

Who Barnes?...that should be no problem. Keep in mind he has always been the number 1 option his entire career before last year. Last year he was our fourth option at best...sometimes fifth because of Jack. He'll be fine lol

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:40 PM
I don't think Iguodala should start, so I'm leaving my sig.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 05:41 PM
Kinda obvious, but yeah
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m
Source says Howard's top two, after trade, are--in no order of preference--Golden State and Houston. Lakers not eliminated, but now behind.

satchelcharge
07-05-2013, 05:41 PM
Better change your sig.


So let's just be hypothetical and say we don't get Howard. Who do we grab for backup forward and point?

Darren Collison and tyler hansborough

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:43 PM
Who Barnes?...that should be no problem. Keep in mind he has always been the number 1 option his entire career before last year. Last year he was our fourth option at best...sometimes fifth because of Jack. He'll be fine lol

Na I was talking about Thompson

satchelcharge
07-05-2013, 05:44 PM
Kinda obvious, but yeah
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m
Source says Howard's top two, after trade, are--in no order of preference--Golden State and Houston. Lakers not eliminated, but now behind.

Money vs Possible ring..Lin, harden, parson, Robinson aint title contending

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 05:46 PM
Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Lee-Howard is contending.

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 05:48 PM
Kinda obvious, but yeah
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 2m
Source says Howard's top two, after trade, are--in no order of preference--Golden State and Houston. Lakers not eliminated, but now behind.

So there is something behind all these risky moves, let say we get Howard....still work to be done. 'Cause just a quick reminder we currently do not have a bench.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:48 PM
"@SpearsNBAYahoo: "The Warriors are definitely in there," NBA source tells Y! Sports in regards to Dwight Howard. Source says Warriors, Rockets, Lakers in mix"

JCkrazzy
07-05-2013, 05:49 PM
If they trade bogut for a 1st then Howard is ours while keeping Klay and Barnes. I head 7+ teams want bogut.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 05:50 PM
I don't think Iguodala should start, so I'm leaving my sig.

Why not? His perimeter defense and play making would compliment Curry and Bogut/Dwight well.

winwarriorslose
07-05-2013, 05:56 PM
Money vs Possible ring..Lin, harden, parson, Robinson aint title contending

Ya...nobody is going to listen to what you say anymore...you don't even know Houston's starting lineup...btw, Robinson isn't on Houston anymore :]

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 05:58 PM
So D12 went to the Rockets, now the W's can work on their bench. More trades are coming for sure now.

JCkrazzy
07-05-2013, 05:58 PM
I wish you could like or dis like comments haha

ELGUAPO408
07-05-2013, 05:58 PM
Bogus nd parrot nose for dwiva

JCkrazzy
07-05-2013, 05:59 PM
So D12 went to the Rockets, now the W's can work on their bench. More trades are coming for sure now.

where'd you see this?

GSWJunkie
07-05-2013, 05:59 PM
Just announced in no official capacity on 95.7 that Howard has chosen to sign with Houston. Announcement to come later.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:00 PM
He just decides to sign with Houston - official.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 06:00 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 20s
USA Today's @sam_amick reports that Dwight has officially chosen Houston in free agency

winwarriorslose
07-05-2013, 06:00 PM
Na I was talking about Thompson

Most definitely....sometimes his athleticism holds him back though

GSWJunkie
07-05-2013, 06:02 PM
It's ok I'm fine with this

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Lee
Bogut

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:03 PM
So D12 went to the Rockets, now the W's can work on their bench. More trades are coming for sure now.

Work on the bench? Not much to work on. Second unit is Klay - Green - Ezeli. Either stick with Nedovic and Bazemore or sign a minimum. Get a PF and a couple scrubs. Job done.

This is going to be a great season (if all stay healthy)

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 06:04 PM
Alright so how much cap room do we have now? Iguodala needs to be our 6th man, no reason to break up the starting five.

JCkrazzy
07-05-2013, 06:04 PM
You guys don't think barnes will start?

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:04 PM
It's ok I'm fine with this

Curry
Thompson
Iggy
Lee
Bogut

Why is everyone so keen to have Iggy play SF? He's better at the 2.

Although I do like the idea of Barnes as a sixth man.

lol, please
07-05-2013, 06:05 PM
Dwight will be a rocket.

So,

Curry/Jenkins
Klay/Bazemore
Iggy/Barnes/Green
Lee/Tyler
Bogut/Lopez

JCkrazzy
07-05-2013, 06:05 PM
I think Klay comes off the bench. I think that Iggy and Barnes have more dimensions to their game than Klay does.

GSWJunkie
07-05-2013, 06:06 PM
We also will have some flexibility to improve the bench which took a hit with the losses of Rush and Landry and possibly Jack. We might be able to re-sign Jack, I hope, but if not we can find cheaper alternatives.

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 06:07 PM
Work on the bench? Not much to work on. Second unit is Klay - Green - Ezeli. Either stick with Nedovic and Bazemore or sign a minimum. Get a PF and a couple scrubs. Job done.

This is going to be a great season (if all stay healthy)

Assuming Nedovic can play, and btw Ezeli is out for 9 months. Who will be doing the scoring? That is a disaster line up.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:09 PM
Alright so how much cap room do we have now? Iguodala needs to be our 6th man, no reason to break up the starting five.

No way Iggy will be sixth man. Our biggest weaknesses were defense and lack of athleticism. Iggy fills both of those holes. He'll start for sure.

Klay or Barnes will come off the bench. I'm thinking likely to be Klay. Don't mind either though.

ESaady
07-05-2013, 06:10 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Dwight Howard's agent, Dan Fegan tells Y! Sports: "Dwight has not finalized his decision."

ESaady
07-05-2013, 06:11 PM
oh...Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 51s
Only two teams -- Houston and Los Angeles -- have yet to be notified of Howard's decision.

GSWJunkie
07-05-2013, 06:11 PM
Iggy/Barnes are the most athletically gifted players we have now, but they play the same position, and Iggy is not going to play behind Barnes. Plus, Thompson's game compliments Curry/Iggy/Lee/Bogut better than Barnes game does. I see Barnes taking up more of a Brandon Rush type of team role now, which we need.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:12 PM
Assuming Nedovic can play, and btw Ezeli is out for 9 months. Who will be doing the scoring? That is a disaster line up.

Disaster? Far from it. First of all nine months is a rumour last I checked not an official time table. Secondly Klay (or Barnes) and Nedo will be doing the scoring. Thirdly, Nedo can definitely play. Guessing you're not a fan of the Euroleague? Guy has got skills.

And finally, we need what? A backup PF and some filler? Easily done.

People acting like Landry and Jack weren't average roleplayers. Guys like them are a dime a dozen.

lol, please
07-05-2013, 06:13 PM
the report is fake? :confused:

ESaady
07-05-2013, 06:13 PM
:laugh2:
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 39s
I'm going to the bar. Text me when it's over. #dropsmic #makeitadouble

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:14 PM
We also will have some flexibility to improve the bench which took a hit with the losses of Rush and Landry and possibly Jack. We might be able to re-sign Jack, I hope, but if not we can find cheaper alternatives.

Jack was overpaid. Plenty of guards just as good that are much cheaper.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 06:16 PM
So we can't re-sign Jack or Landry.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 06:17 PM
If Iguodala does start, Barnes is going to the bench.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:25 PM
If Iguodala does start, Barnes is going to the bench.

I think Barnes would be a better sixth man than Klay.

Anyone know how much are Hansbrough and Brandan Wright looking for?

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 06:27 PM
Disaster? Far from it. First of all nine months is a rumour last I checked not an official time table. Secondly Klay (or Barnes) and Nedo will be doing the scoring. Thirdly, Nedo can definitely play. Guessing you're not a fan of the Euroleague? Guy has got skills.

And finally, we need what? A backup PF and some filler? Easily done.

People acting like Landry and Jack weren't average roleplayers. Guys like them are a dime a dozen.

Easy said than done, I have nothing against Euro players. It is critical that we get a backup 1 that can run the 2nd line. Preferably a veteran PG. And whatever report you saw about Ezeli, however it turns out the W's will need a backup Center and ASAP. Ezeli won't be back until 3 or 4 months into the season and Bogut will not give you 40mins a night. I would say our bench is the top priority and true there are players out there to be had.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:27 PM
Just heard we got trade exceptions. That's a huge bonus.

Chromehounds
07-05-2013, 06:28 PM
the report is fake? :confused:

Which report, the Houston signing?

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 06:31 PM
Just heard we got trade exceptions. That's a huge bonus.

That's going to allow us to go after a good backup Power Forward. I think we'll look to re-sign Charles Jenkins. I think Jackson will use Iguodala at point allot.

TrueFan420
07-05-2013, 06:31 PM
Just heard we got trade exceptions. That's a huge bonus.

That's big that can be used to solve bench issues.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 06:32 PM
It doesn't matter, Warriors have already said Dwight has informed them he won't be signing with them.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:35 PM
That's big that can be used to solve bench issues.

For sure. Hopefully we can add more depth now.

Really optimistic about next season.

Goose17
07-05-2013, 06:37 PM
Too many "sources" floating around. GM seems a little lost lol.

"@dmorey: While we are excited & cautiously optimistic @DwightHoward might choose Houston, we have not yet heard about his decision"

TrueFan420
07-05-2013, 06:54 PM
Too many "sources" floating around. GM seems a little lost lol.

"@dmorey: While we are excited & cautiously optimistic @DwightHoward might choose Houston, we have not yet heard about his decision"
Interesting there's still hope. After the iggy deal Dwight would be stupid to not come here

lol, please
07-05-2013, 07:02 PM
Dwight should come here, but if he doesn't, I like our chances of making the playoffs is everyone is healthy.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 07:06 PM
I have a feeling the Warriors are going to offer David Lee and Klay Thompson for Josh Smith and multiple unprotected 1st round picks. People say Thompson is a better fit to Iguodala, but Barnes' ceiling is so much higher, and it's not like Iguodala and Barnes couldn't play together. Iguodala is a point forward, he's not taking 15 shots a game. Sign Charles Jenkins and Tyler Hansbrough.

PG: Curry//Jenkins//Machado
SG: Iguodala//Bazemore
SF: Barnes//Green
PF: Smith//Hansbrough//Green
C: Bogut//Ezeli

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 07:26 PM
Dwight should come here, but if he doesn't, I like our chances of making the playoffs is everyone is healthy.

HAHAHA- I hope the warriors goals have gone up from "making the playoffs"- I hope that wasnt what the front office was saying while trying to get Howard. "We think if healthy we have a chance to make the playoffs"

Scoots
07-05-2013, 07:34 PM
Barnes can play the 4 some as can Iggy and Green ... what we do not have is anybody else who can play C. Right now we'd have to be playing with Lee 20 minutes a night at C. At least he's done it before.

I did not expect Iggy to be a Warrior. He's a good team player and a good defender ... a glue guy ... but does he give us enough to get over the top?

R. Johnson#3
07-05-2013, 07:35 PM
I'll say it now. If this team stays healthy, they're a legitimate championship contender.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 07:36 PM
It doesn't matter, Warriors have already said Dwight has informed them he won't be signing with them.

so much for the meeting with dwight howard going well. Warriors messed up in that sales pitch. Is jerry West losing it? Houston was able to convince dwight to come play with lin as a pg over curry. OUCH

steveweve
07-05-2013, 07:38 PM
Dwight should come here, but if he doesn't, I like our chances of making the playoffs is everyone is healthy.

Your prediction on Howard failed miserably. You deserve a perm ban sir. :no:

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 07:38 PM
Barnes can play the 4 some as can Iggy and Green ... what we do not have is anybody else who can play C. Right now we'd have to be playing with Lee 20 minutes a night at C. At least he's done it before.

I did not expect Iggy to be a Warrior. He's a good team player and a good defender ... a glue guy ... but does he give us enough to get over the top?

Ummm what position do you think Bogut plays? and iggy is not a 4. NO WAY

steveweve
07-05-2013, 07:38 PM
so much for the meeting with dwight howard going well. Warriors messed up in that sales pitch. Is jerry West losing it? Houston was able to convince dwight to come play with lin as a pg over curry. OUCH

I think he chose Houston because Smith might be headed to Houston now, rumor is it will be J Smith for lin and asik.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 07:39 PM
We can easily sure up the bench. We have 1 million to spend in cap space and a mini mid-level exception. We lost all of our exceptions, because the Utah trade put us under the cap, and when you go under you lose all previous exceptions. So we have 3.5 mill to sign a backup point guard and power forward/center. I believe we could get Charles Jenkins for around 6 hundred k, and pick up Hansbrough for 2.2 mill.

PG: Curry//Jenkins//Machado
SG: Thompson//Barnes//Bazemore
SF: Iguodala//Barnes//Green
PF: Lee//Hansbrough//Green
C: Bogut//Hansbrough//Ezeli

Off-season = over

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 07:40 PM
Bottom line is we got better today. Iguodala is an elite defender, who I believe will help Thompsons defense as well as Barnes.

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 07:40 PM
Our defense should be really good next season.

steveweve
07-05-2013, 07:40 PM
We can easily sure up the bench. We have 1 million to spend in cap space and a mini mid-level exception. We lost all of our exceptions, because the Utah trade put us under the cap, and when you go under you lose all previous exceptions. So we have 3.5 mill to sign a backup point guard and power forward/center. I believe we could get Charles Jenkins for around 6 hundred k, and pick up Hansbrough for 2.2 mill.

PG: Curry//Jenkins//Machado
SG: Thompson//Barnes//Bazemore
SF: Iguodala//Barnes//Green
PF: Lee//Hansbrough//Green
C: Bogut//Hansbrough//Ezeli

Off-season = over

Change those predictions for next year boi, add Iggy to that beautiful list

lol, please
07-05-2013, 08:03 PM
Don't forget about Tyler Mibs!

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 08:05 PM
Don't forget about Tyler Mibs!

Man!!!- we went from hoping for Howard to thinking of bringing Jeremy Tyler back. This is the Kevin garnet situation from 2008 all over again

Scoots
07-05-2013, 08:07 PM
so much for the meeting with dwight howard going well. Warriors messed up in that sales pitch. Is jerry West losing it? Houston was able to convince dwight to come play with lin as a pg over curry. OUCH

Houston's lack of tax and not being in CA are major factors in their favor, also their ability to more easily work out a deal with the Lakers is major. I don't know that them not getting him means they "messed" it up.

asandhu23
07-05-2013, 08:10 PM
Iggy iggy iggy iggy iggy!!!

Scoots
07-05-2013, 08:11 PM
Ummm what position do you think Bogut plays? and iggy is not a 4. NO WAY

Bogut can't play 48 minutes a night and Ezeli is out for several months. We need a backup C.

I may not have been clear, but Iggy can get some minutes playing out of position at the 4 just like he did with Philly occasionally and like Barnes did last year some. Not that it would be their primary position.

The Warriors need backup C minutes and backup PF minutes and backup PG minutes ... the backup PG minutes could go to Nedo and Baze and whatever they can cobble together ... backup PF minutes to Green, Barnes, and to Iggy ... backup C minutes go to ... ??? ... Lee?

bigmac8675
07-05-2013, 08:12 PM
I absolutely LOVE the moves we made today.... and I am completely okay with not getting Dwight.... no headaches and we are a deeper team cause of not making that trade. I think our biggest needs now are a legitimate big guy to backup Bogut/Lee. THen a backup PG (could very well be Jenkins)

allvalleychamp
07-05-2013, 08:16 PM
Houston's lack of tax and not being in CA are major factors in their favor, also their ability to more easily work out a deal with the Lakers is major. I don't know that them not getting him means they "messed" it up.

Honestly I dont get this, when you make $80 million plus endorsements what is 10% to live in the Bay Area instead of Texas...I mean would you pay 10% more for a house in Marin then Death Valley- if you got the money location location location

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 08:20 PM
Houston's lack of tax and not being in CA are major factors in their favor, also their ability to more easily work out a deal with the Lakers is major. I don't know that them not getting him means they "messed" it up.

well if ur goal of meeting with him was to get him to come to the warriors... then they messed it up. Otherwise, why even meet with him?? Its a tough business- you gotta get stuff done.

lol, please
07-05-2013, 08:24 PM
tank time stylez?

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 08:28 PM
for the lakers and jazz

Scoots
07-05-2013, 08:30 PM
You make your pitch, but you can't force someone to take a deal that is far worse for them. He was leaving some money (not the $30M they keep talking about) by not re-signing with the Lakers, asking for even more is a tough deal. It's more than the state tax, living in Houston is a lot cheaper, it's closer to his home town, it's a great place to live too.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 08:35 PM
^^loser mentality

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 08:45 PM
Eh. Oh well. I still love the Iggy move. He adds a lot of versatility and can play point foward when Curry is on the bench. Plus it adds another elite wing defender.

Not to mention...we got 16 mil off the books next year with Bogut. Hopefully Ezeli is ready in 2014 to be a starting Center

KingOf215
07-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Great job Golden State! One of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and great as long as he's not asked to be the guy. Lookout Western conference.

TurboCharged
07-05-2013, 08:53 PM
now that we got iggy should we just take a chance with oden? i mean when healthy if healthy he can be a factor.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 08:57 PM
I'd take Oden if he wants to sign for the minimum, but I think we need to find a longterm solution at the 5. I dont trust Boguts health

TurboCharged
07-05-2013, 09:01 PM
I'd take Oden if he wants to sign for the minimum, but I think we need to find a longterm solution at the 5. I dont trust Boguts health

yeah me either but oden would be good until ez comes back for the second half hopefully.

Sunspot Jonz
07-05-2013, 09:02 PM
All I know is..When Boguts contract is up either Monroe or Gortat look very intriguing.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 09:09 PM
All I know is..When Boguts contract is up either Monroe or Gortat look very intriguing.

Well- he's in a contract year. (probably his last chance at a big contract in his career) He should be able to get himself into reasonable shape by next season. Maybe He will show a lot of the Andrew Bogut we saw in the playoffs. If he can average close to 10 and 10 while playing solid defense and helping ball movement. He is still good enough to play one on one with any other big man in the game. He doesnt have to be dominant for the warriors to be a contending team IMO.

Hopefully he doesnt cry a bout the rumors of him for dwight- but I mean he was only playing in like 1/3 of the games this season. What does he expect??

Lloyd Christmas
07-05-2013, 09:11 PM
I really don't understand this trade for us. Why spend all of our money on a guy who plays a position we are stacked at? I would have rather not made that trade with Utah and had all of that cap space next year. Unless we have another move up our sleeve that involves Barnes or Klay to get a player like love I hate what we did today.

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 09:15 PM
I really don't understand this trade for us. Why spend all of our money on a guy who plays a position we are stacked at? I would have rather not made that trade with Utah and had all of that cap space next year. Unless we have another move up our sleeve that involves Barnes or Klay to get a player like love I hate what we did today.

Iggy will help the warriors. With Iggy and a healthy david lee- I bet we woulda beat the spurs. Real talk

TurboCharged
07-05-2013, 09:17 PM
your crazy iggy brings another superstar to our team it brings tempo and energy. barns has that but now we have 2 F that can give that extra push in the game. i rather have him then another team have him this makes our team that much better. or we can go back n call back cohan if thats what you are into.

Lloyd Christmas
07-05-2013, 09:19 PM
So lets see

We gain Iggy but lose

Rush
Biedrins
Jefferson
2 1st round picks
A possible 2nd

I would have rather just resigned Landry and Jack.

Lloyd Christmas
07-05-2013, 09:20 PM
Rather than sign ivgy

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 09:22 PM
So lets see

We gain Iggy but lose

Rush
Biedrins
Jefferson
2 1st round picks
A possible 2nd

I would have rather just resigned Landry and Jack.

interesting...

Monta is beast
07-05-2013, 09:42 PM
That's why I said earlier.

iFYouSeekAmy
07-05-2013, 09:43 PM
Does anyone know how much cap space we still have after the Iggy signing?

iFYouSeekAmy
07-05-2013, 09:47 PM
With this signing, Jack and Landry most likely are gone. interested to see who the backup 1,4, and 5 are

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 09:49 PM
I like the signing a lot but I understand we gave up a lot.

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 09:51 PM
Does anyone know how much cap space we still have after the Iggy signing?

I'm not sure at all but without looking at the numbers and not accounting for the non guaranteed contract we took back. We sent $24 million to Utah and are now paying Iggy about $12,000 million per..right?

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 09:51 PM
With this signing, Jack and Landry most likely are gone. interested to see who the backup 1,4, and 5 are

Well the warriors have some trade exceptions so they can trade guys like machado, green, and bazemoore and take back more salary to fill a need. It could come in handy with teams trying to clear some space for next season.

Gotta have a little trust in the warriors front office after what they pulled off today. A month ago, every radio host in the country said it was impossible to move either jefferson or Biedrins contracts. They shipped both guys to the same team.... after just a couple hours of talking.

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 09:53 PM
I think we were over the cap. Where are the number guys?

likemystylez
07-05-2013, 09:53 PM
I'm not sure at all but without looking at the numbers and not accounting for the non guaranteed contract we took back. We sent $24 million and now are paying Iggy about $12,000 million per right?

we were over the soft cap though before. Now we are under that cap and nowhere near luxury (which is good)- but we dont have any exceptions to use. We have a couple million, and we have some trade exceptions from the utah deal. I have a feeling the warriors are gonna find a way to get a couple more good players.

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 09:55 PM
we were over the soft cap though before. Now we are under that cap and nowhere near luxury (which is good)- but we dont have any exceptions to use. We have a couple million, and we have some trade exceptions from the utah deal. I have a feeling the warriors are gonna find a way to get a couple more good players.

I'd really like to keep Bazemore and Green, they're good role players. But if I had to choose one it would be Green absolutely

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 10:01 PM
Andrew Bogut 14,000,000
David Lee 13,878,000
Andre Igoudala 12,000,000*
Stephen Curry 9,887,642
Harrison Barnes 2,923,920
Klay Thompson 2,317,920
Festus Ezeli 1,066,920
Draymond Green 875,500
Nemanja Nedovic 880,600
Kent Bazemore 788,872

*Assuming the deal is not back/front loaded

We could cut Machado and Jones

It looks like we are almost exactly at the cap which is 58.5M

COOLbeans
07-05-2013, 10:03 PM
Andrew Bogut 14,000,000
David Lee 13,878,000
Andre Igoudala 12,000,000*
Stephen Curry 9,887,642
Harrison Barnes 2,923,920
Klay Thompson 2,317,920
Festus Ezeli 1,066,920
Draymond Green 875,500
Nemanja Nedovic 880,600
Kent Bazemore 788,872

*Assuming the deal is not back/front loaded

We could cut Machado and Jones

It looks like we are almost exactly at the cap which is 58.5M

I guess they think Nedovic and Bazemore can handle the backup point with Iggy having ball handling duties.

Rotations would be interesting. They still need to add 3 players for the league roster minimum

sfattahian
07-05-2013, 10:29 PM
I think you are all forgetting Mark Jackson. He's talked for the last few months about how he's got the best shooting backcourt in the history of the NBA. He wouldn't break that up.

But who cares, Barnes can play the 4 in a small ball lineup. We're gonna have multiple guys who play multiple positions... Curry can play 1/2, Thompson 2/3, Iguodala 2/3, Barnes, 3/4. All these guys will average over 30 minutes per game and all fit with each other, bring something different to the table. Doesn't matter who starts, comes off the bench. We have great versatility with our roster right now.

Would anybody trade Lee and Barnes for Love?

sfattahian
07-05-2013, 10:31 PM
Anybody else notice W's didn't trade 2015 and 2016 1st round picks? I think they're trying to save them for another major trade... Love maybe? or Aldridge?

You guys think trading David Lee and two 1st round picks would be enough to get one of those guys? Or would we need to include Klay or Barnes?

Scoots
07-05-2013, 10:33 PM
^^loser mentality

No, just something you are less familiar with ... reality.

Scoots
07-05-2013, 10:47 PM
1. I think it's a very good trade in that the Ws proved this year that they can buy a late 1st round pick and we are all hoping that 2014 pick we traded away is just that, a late 1st round pick.

2. The Warriors CANNOT trade the 2015 or 2016 or 2018 first round picks period. NBA rules say 1st round picks cannot be traded in consecutive years.

3. Curry 1/2, Thompson 2/3, Iggy 2/3/4, Barnes 3/4, Lee 4/5, Bogut 5 ... looks good in a lot of ways except post defense during the 15 minutes Bogut isn't on the floor until Ezeli gets back.

4. I'm not in love with Love ... monster offense and rebounding, but he has a soft game.

5. The Warriors went from over the tax threshold to under the cap. They are now $2.66M under the cap but are saving $11M this year. This also means they are looking to be $17M under the cap in next years big FA crop. I think the front office is doing a pretty good job.

6. Ognjen Kuzmic can be the stop-gap 4/5 and the Warriors supposedly have been working on his Euroleague club to free him up this year.

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 10:53 PM
Hansborough would be ideal. Actually, any guy who can bang inside and play the 4 and 5 would be perfect

TrueFan420
07-05-2013, 10:55 PM
I like what we did here and I'm a big iggy fan but 12mil over 4 years is a little too high. Should have been 4 years 10 mil.

sfattahian
07-06-2013, 12:20 AM
1. I think it's a very good trade in that the Ws proved this year that they can buy a late 1st round pick and we are all hoping that 2014 pick we traded away is just that, a late 1st round pick.

2. The Warriors CANNOT trade the 2015 or 2016 or 2018 first round picks period. NBA rules say 1st round picks cannot be traded in consecutive years.

3. Curry 1/2, Thompson 2/3, Iggy 2/3/4, Barnes 3/4, Lee 4/5, Bogut 5 ... looks good in a lot of ways except post defense during the 15 minutes Bogut isn't on the floor until Ezeli gets back.

4. I'm not in love with Love ... monster offense and rebounding, but he has a soft game.

5. The Warriors went from over the tax threshold to under the cap. They are now $2.66M under the cap but are saving $11M this year. This also means they are looking to be $17M under the cap in next years big FA crop. I think the front office is doing a pretty good job.

6. Ognjen Kuzmic can be the stop-gap 4/5 and the Warriors supposedly have been working on his Euroleague club to free him up this year.

true true, nice post. Marcus Thompson pointed out that the W's may have trade exceptions to use, meaning they could acquire a player without giving anything up and assume more salary. It would come in handy for players whose teams are looking for a salary dump. Between he trade exception and the MLE, Warriors have some ammo for going after some bench players. Marcus Thompson also said Warriors won't replace Jack, cuz Iggi will fill that role of alternate ball-handler. We'll look for a backup center instead as insurance for Bogut and Ezeli according to MT.

sfattahian
07-06-2013, 12:29 AM
I like the signing a lot but I understand we gave up a lot.

What did we really give up? Obviously not Biedrins and Jefferson, but Rush I understand. But he's coming off his second ACL injury of his career (had one in college). Since the W's will be a good team for years to come, the draft picks they gave up will be late first-rounders. The W's already proved they can buy themselves into the late first-round like they did this year, so nothing lost. They're saying they'll just throw money around in the draft like Tyler (they weren't afraid to cut their losses), and this year with Nedovic. I think this trade is the best trade I've ever seen the W's make since I moved I became a fan in 1994. Easily the best trade since Baron Davis. New ownership has me sold finally, we can look forward to the future and the new arena. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "things be a changing in the bay area"

Bayareaboy
07-06-2013, 12:36 AM
I like the signing a lot but I understand we gave up a lot.

What did we really give up? Obviously not Biedrins and Jefferson, but Rush I understand. But he's coming off his second ACL injury of his career (had one in college). Since the W's will be a good team for years to come, the draft picks they gave up will be late first-rounders. The W's already proved they can buy themselves into the late first-round like they did this year, so nothing lost. They're saying they'll just throw money around in the draft like Tyler (they weren't afraid to cut their losses), and this year with Nedovic. I think this trade is the best trade I've ever seen the W's make since I moved I became a fan in 1994. Easily the best trade since Baron Davis. New ownership has me sold finally, we can look forward to the future and the new arena. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "things be a changing in the bay area"



Could not have said it better myself

COOLbeans
07-06-2013, 12:37 AM
What did we really give up? Obviously not Biedrins and Jefferson, but Rush I understand. But he's coming off his second ACL injury of his career (had one in college). Since the W's will be a good team for years to come, the draft picks they gave up will be late first-rounders. The W's already proved they can buy themselves into the late first-round like they did this year, so nothing lost. They're saying they'll just throw money around in the draft like Tyler (they weren't afraid to cut their losses), and this year with Nedovic. I think this trade is the best trade I've ever seen the W's make since I moved I became a fan in 1994. Easily the best trade since Baron Davis. New ownership has me sold finally, we can look forward to the future and the new arena. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "things be a changing in the bay area"

I'm thinking about the 2 picks mostly, but also Rush and the cap flexibility at the deadline. But if Nedovic can play and Bazemore got better, and we can sign a center then we're GOOD

Scoots
07-06-2013, 12:40 AM
The interesting thing now is that Lee is in fact one of the best PFs in the NBA ... Duncan, Aldridge, Randolph, Lee ... top PFs and other than the ancient Duncan they don't play D ... Serge Ibaka is now the best young PF in the NBA. How do we find the next Ibaka?

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 12:41 AM
No, just something you are less familiar with ... reality.

if you asked 10 NBA experts 2 weeks ago, they would have told you that "reality is you are not going to be able to move Biedrins or jeffersons contracts". A loser would have accepted that and not even tried.

In that situation- the warriors were huge rumors. They added Iggy without giving up a rotation player. HUUUUGE. If it didnt happen the same day as the dwight howard story reached its climax- every writer would be taking up the warriors front office.

Leandres_sf
07-06-2013, 12:52 AM
So who are the bigs the Warriors could be looking at using the TPE that Marcus Thompson was referring to?

Scoots
07-06-2013, 12:58 AM
if you asked 10 NBA experts 2 weeks ago, they would have told you that "reality is you are not going to be able to move Biedrins or jeffersons contracts". A loser would have accepted that and not even tried.

In that situation- the warriors were huge rumors. They added Iggy without giving up a rotation player. HUUUUGE. If it didnt happen the same day as the dwight howard story reached its climax- every writer would be taking up the warriors front office.

So, just to clarify you said that it was a loser mentality that allowed the Warriors to lose out on the Howard sweepstakes, then when I reply that the reality is you can't always win you tout the warriors front office as winners. You make no sense to me. I agree with what I quoted you saying here, I fundamentally don't understand what you were saying was a loser mentality earlier juxtaposed to what you are saying here.

Bayareaboy
07-06-2013, 01:00 AM
I'd like to get either hansborough or Byron mullens

RUN DMC 20
07-06-2013, 01:00 AM
We should trade either Bogut or Lee, to get more depth or even picks

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 01:07 AM
We should trade either Bogut or Lee, to get more depth or even picks

I dont see either of those players being moved unless they are getting a clear upgrade at the 4 or 5 spot. Not sure those guys get unloaded like jefferson and biedrins. Lee was just an all star LOL

Scoots
07-06-2013, 01:25 AM
The Dubs have 1 PF on the roster and 1 healthy *cough cough* C on the roster, so let's trade our all-star PF and only C for "depth" or "picks" ... dude, the next time someone passes to you, pass it on without partaking.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 02:46 AM
What did we really give up? Obviously not Biedrins and Jefferson, but Rush I understand. But he's coming off his second ACL injury of his career (had one in college). Since the W's will be a good team for years to come, the draft picks they gave up will be late first-rounders. The W's already proved they can buy themselves into the late first-round like they did this year, so nothing lost. They're saying they'll just throw money around in the draft like Tyler (they weren't afraid to cut their losses), and this year with Nedovic. I think this trade is the best trade I've ever seen the W's make since I moved I became a fan in 1994. Easily the best trade since Baron Davis. New ownership has me sold finally, we can look forward to the future and the new arena. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "things be a changing in the bay area"

This^ we gave up almost nothing in exchange for arguably the best perimeter defender in the game at the wing, an incredible athlete who also happens to be an all star.

The only real thing we gave up is the picks which as you said wouldn't be that high and we can buy/trade for better anyway.

Curry - Iggy - Barnes - Lee - Bogut

Or

Curry - Klay - Iggy - Lee - Bogut.

Either of those would be the best starting five we've had since Run TMC imho.


Only thing is, our division might be a little stronger. Clippers for sure. Sac are unknown at this moment.


I get the feeling trading isn't done. Both Klay and/or Lee could still be getting shopped.

tredigs
07-06-2013, 02:53 AM
The bench is definitely light right now, though. I wonder if they're stuck on signing new players this off-season in an attempt to have the capability to sign a max for 2014's crop.

But I also have a feeling trading is not done for us.

SugeKnight
07-06-2013, 02:55 AM
Byron Mullens would be a great pickup

Monta is beast
07-06-2013, 02:55 AM
1) Oklahoma City
2) San Antonio
3) Golden State
4) LA Clippers
5) Houston
6) Memphis
7) Denver
8) Minnesota

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:07 AM
The bench is definitely light right now, though. I wonder if they're stuck on signing new players this off-season in an attempt to have the capability to sign a max for 2014's crop.

But I also have a feeling trading is not done for us.

Yeah I don't think they're done trading. They were shopping Lee earlier in the week. Klay is expendable as well.

Guess we'll have to wait and see what they do.

Both Brandan Wright and Tyler Hansbrough would be good pick ups if we had the space.


Given the fact we just received the best player on the Nuggets roster and didn't have to give up anyone in our starting five, I would consider this off season to be a success so far. But we do need to add depth and honestly if I had to choose I would rather trade Lee than any other starter, I would hate to lose that deep wing rotation that we're going to have.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:10 AM
1) Oklahoma City
2) San Antonio
3) Golden State
4) LA Clippers
5) Houston
6) Memphis
7) Denver
8) Minnesota

Might have to change that J-Smoove is ironing out a deal with Houston apparently.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:18 AM
"@gswscribe: So @stephenasmith just said one reason Dwight did NOT chose GSW was because it hadn't committed to Mark Jackson yet"

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:20 AM
"@gswscribe: Worth noting Mark Jackson is a major reason D12 considered Warriors and why Iguodala really wanted to play for GSW"

JCkrazzy
07-06-2013, 03:22 AM
"@gswscribe: So @stephenasmith just said one reason Dwight did NOT chose GSW was because it hadn't committed to Mark Jackson yet"

this doesn't make any sense gramatically. It may be the fact that i'm tired though.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:22 AM
"Warriors have no more cap space but they still have a viable way to add to the roster. I'm told the Utah deal netted the Warriors a couple Traded Player Exceptions (TPE). One early estimation is they would total more than $20 million. Golden State could use those to add the depth they need.

* The Warriors could find a player who another team is trying to dump and absorb that salary using the TPE. So if, say, the Bulls wanted to get rid of Taj Gibson's contract (you wish!), they could send him to the Warriors for one of the TPEs.

* TPEs cannot be combined, nor thrown into another deal. So basically the Warriors can only get player(s) whose contract(s) fit(s) the amount of the individual TPE (which will be determined when the deal becomes official). They can't give another player or picks away, nor can they receive picks

* The Warriors could conceivably get a free agent with the TPE, but it's probably not feasible. It would require another team to perform a sign-and-trade. So, say the Warriors want to get J.J. Hickson from Portland. He could sign with the Blazers and be traded to Golden State. But the only thing Portland can get in return is the TPE. The Warriors can't throw in a pick to sweeten the deal, as they did with Utah

* The Warriors won't go after a back-up point guard to replace Jarrett Jack. Sources said they will use Iguodala mostly in that role. They could get a third point guard for insurance, though. But Golden State's next priority is a big man who can serve as the back-up center while Festus Ezeli is on the shelf."

tredigs
07-06-2013, 03:39 AM
"Warriors have no more cap space but they still have a viable way to add to the roster. I'm told the Utah deal netted the Warriors a couple Traded Player Exceptions (TPE). One early estimation is they would total more than $20 million. Golden State could use those to add the depth they need.

* The Warriors could find a player who another team is trying to dump and absorb that salary using the TPE. So if, say, the Bulls wanted to get rid of Taj Gibson's contract (you wish!), they could send him to the Warriors for one of the TPEs.

* TPEs cannot be combined, nor thrown into another deal. So basically the Warriors can only get player(s) whose contract(s) fit(s) the amount of the individual TPE (which will be determined when the deal becomes official). They can't give another player or picks away, nor can they receive picks

* The Warriors could conceivably get a free agent with the TPE, but it's probably not feasible. It would require another team to perform a sign-and-trade. So, say the Warriors want to get J.J. Hickson from Portland. He could sign with the Blazers and be traded to Golden State. But the only thing Portland can get in return is the TPE. The Warriors can't throw in a pick to sweeten the deal, as they did with Utah

* The Warriors won't go after a back-up point guard to replace Jarrett Jack. Sources said they will use Iguodala mostly in that role. They could get a third point guard for insurance, though. But Golden State's next priority is a big man who can serve as the back-up center while Festus Ezeli is on the shelf."
Hmmm. Finding a serviceable big that a team is just trying to dump for salary might not be too easy.

Candidates? Marcin Gortat? If the Suns want to go full bore on the tanking it would work. There's also Asik now that Houston has Howard, but it's tough to see Morey giving him up for cap relief. Bargnani? Puke. Hawes out of Philly maybe.

Tough to say how this unfolds. Most interesting off-season in memory here though.

iFYouSeekAmy
07-06-2013, 04:37 AM
According to Woj, the Warriors have $2.8 million in cap space left after the agreement with Iguodala.

it's not likely that we can fill out our bench with 2.8 mil. Warriors did get trade exceptions in return, but i don't remember the last time they have used it. I do have faith in our front office though and i'm sure they'll pull something off.

anyone think 12mil is a bit much for Iggy?

Bayareaboy
07-06-2013, 05:01 AM
I think it's a bit much but at the same time we got him cheaper then everyone else which is crazy. Also we use our trade exceptions. When webuy picks lacob uses them then

ESaady
07-06-2013, 05:41 AM
"@gswscribe: Worth noting Mark Jackson is a major reason D12 considered Warriors and why Iguodala really wanted to play for GSW"


this doesn't make any sense gramatically. It may be the fact that i'm tired though.

Here's some clarification:

Marcus Thompson ‏@gswscribe 6h
Jackson has one guaranteed year on his deal (and one team option). Per @stephenasmith, just picking up team option wasn't enough for D12

Basically, Dwight wanted Mark Jackson to be there for as long as he is, but the Warriors haven't made a long term commitment to MJ, which ultimately led Dwight to tell the Warriors that he's passing on them.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 05:55 AM
According to Woj, the Warriors have $2.8 million in cap space left after the agreement with Iguodala.

it's not likely that we can fill out our bench with 2.8 mil. Warriors did get trade exceptions in return, but i don't remember the last time they have used it. I do have faith in our front office though and i'm sure they'll pull something off.

anyone think 12mil is a bit much for Iggy?

I think we'll get what we paid for with Iggy. We desperately needed some high calibre defense and athleticism, we were severely lacking in both areas.

We won't know for certain how much space we have, if any, until July 10th (after deal is done).

I'm thinking Warriors might be pretty aggressive in trading Lee.

On another note, I don't think we need Jack but I feel bad for him after he said that playing with the Dubs was the first time he played for a team and felt he really belonged there.


I love this trade for us. Only concerns are:

1; the lack of depth, but I would like to believe that management thought about this pre-trade and have some sort of plan.

2; With the signing of Dre we won't have enough cap room to give Klay AND Barnes the sort of money they'll be getting offered when their contract runs out. Unless Bogut takes a huge pay cut.

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 10:06 AM
According to Woj, the Warriors have $2.8 million in cap space left after the agreement with Iguodala.

it's not likely that we can fill out our bench with 2.8 mil. Warriors did get trade exceptions in return, but i don't remember the last time they have used it. I do have faith in our front office though and i'm sure they'll pull something off.

anyone think 12mil is a bit much for Iggy?

1) 2.8 Million is enough to get some decent role players, but nobody significant.

2) The trade was great in that it got the warriors very far from the luxury tax line while adding talent. (It cut dead weight that was killing our cap)

3) Using the trade exceptions wont push us over the cap, and we could get decent players right off other teams rosters. Teams that are looking to unload salary to save up for next summer.

4) 12 million sounds like a lot for Iggy, and nobody could know if his contract is one we will regret in a couple years. We do know a few things though.-

A) There is no way that paying Iggy 12 million a year could hurt this team anymore than paying Biedrins and Jefferson 20+ million the last few years.

B) Iggys market value was pretty much determined over the last week. He had atleast 2-3 other offers that were significantly more than the one he got from the Warriors. (It isnt like the corey Maggette situation where all the other teams were offering him 5-6 million a year and the warriors jumped in and offered him 10). There were definitely other teams out there who would have been fine paying Iggy 12 million a year.... In my books that means we paid a fair price.

C) Its a good feeling to have a guy of Iggys caliber want to play for the warriors.

J.U.I.C.E.
07-06-2013, 11:19 AM
I cant believe someone took less to come here. Its a whole new culture here.

Lloyd Christmas
07-06-2013, 11:31 AM
What did we really give up? Obviously not Biedrins and Jefferson, but Rush I understand. But he's coming off his second ACL injury of his career (had one in college). Since the W's will be a good team for years to come, the draft picks they gave up will be late first-rounders. The W's already proved they can buy themselves into the late first-round like they did this year, so nothing lost. They're saying they'll just throw money around in the draft like Tyler (they weren't afraid to cut their losses), and this year with Nedovic. I think this trade is the best trade I've ever seen the W's make since I moved I became a fan in 1994. Easily the best trade since Baron Davis. New ownership has me sold finally, we can look forward to the future and the new arena. MJ wasn't kidding when he said "things be a changing in the bay area"

What we gave up was any flexibility we had in using our first round picks to land a star player. We finally traded our first to Utah getting us out of that awful situation and now we just put ourselves right back in it until 2019? For a a guy who plays the same position as Klay and Barnes? I just don't get it at all. I would have done this if we knew we were getting Dwight but not Iggy. If this is a precursor to another trade for someone like for Love or Aldridge ill take back everything I've said. I pray that's the case.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 11:39 AM
What we gave up was any flexibility we had in using our first round picks to land a star player. We finally traded our first to Utah getting us out of that awful situation and now we just put ourselves right back in it for the next 4 years? For a a guy who plays the same position as Klay and Barnes? I just don't get it at all. I would have done this if we knew we were getting Dwight but not Iggy. If this is a precursor to another trade for someone like for Love or Aldridge ill take back everything I've said. I pray that's the case.

LOL what? We have agruably the best wing rotation in the league. Our perimeter defense was awful and we were lacking athleticism, Iggy solves both of those.

On top of that we can buy picks or trade for them, the picks we gave away wouldn't have landed us a superstar because we would be a playoff team and they likely wouldn't be lottery picks.

I don't think we're done trading, but let's just say that we are, let's just say our starting five + 6th man is Curry, Klay, Iggy, Lee, Bogut and Barnes. Tell me, when was the last time we had a group of 6 that good?

lilboytwister99
07-06-2013, 11:42 AM
I really really applaud the Warriors for signing Iggy. That is a BIG signing. You guys already have heart and soul, and now with him on the team, I gotta say yall are gonna be one of the top 2 or 3 in the West. Congratulations guys, EXCELLENT job!

JCkrazzy
07-06-2013, 11:43 AM
LOL what? We have agruably the best wing rotation in the league. Our perimeter defense was awful and we were lacking athleticism, Iggy solves both of those.

On top of that we can buy picks or trade for them, the picks we gave away wouldn't have landed us a superstar because we would be a playoff team and they likely wouldn't be lottery picks.

I don't think we're done trading, but let's just say that we are, let's just say our starting five + 6th man is Curry, Klay, Iggy, Lee, Bogut and Barnes. Tell me, when was the last time we had a group of 6 that good?

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Lloyd Christmas
07-06-2013, 11:56 AM
LOL what? We have agruably the best wing rotation in the league. Our perimeter defense was awful and we were lacking athleticism, Iggy solves both of those.

On top of that we can buy picks or trade for them, the picks we gave away wouldn't have landed us a superstar because we would be a playoff team and they likely wouldn't be lottery picks.

I don't think we're done trading, but let's just say that we are, let's just say our starting five + 6th man is Curry, Klay, Iggy, Lee, Bogut and Barnes. Tell me, when was the last time we had a group of 6 that good?

Our perimeter d wasn't great because of Curry, not Klay and Barnes.

Look I like Iggy a lot and I'm sure he's going to help I just hate what we gave up to get him. I really think that a couple years down the line we are going to be talking about how much this trade screwed us.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 12:29 PM
I really think that a couple years down the line we are going to be talking about how much this trade screwed us.

How much it screwed us? Can't be any worse than having to Carry Beans and Jefferson. I think you're overrating Jack and Landry, they're average NBA players. Nothing more. Take your pick, there's guards like Jack all around the league.

Either that or you're underrating Iggy.



Our perimeter d wasn't great because of Curry, not Klay and Barnes.


Klay got slightly better, he's abover average now, he really showed us a flash of what he could be when he was guarding Manu. Barnes is good. But our perimeter defense was still pretty shaky. Iggy is hands down one of the top three defenders in the league and possibly the best wing defender.

I'm going to make a thread, you should take a quick glance at it, the numbers will explain why I value Iggy so highly.

NorCalDC Fan15
07-06-2013, 12:46 PM
Just curious what does everyone think this will do for us come next summer when the great free agent class comes up? Will we have enough cap room to be players to get a great player to come here?

Scoots
07-06-2013, 12:53 PM
Why so much love for Love and Aldridge and hate for Lee? They are very similar players. And Lee may be the toughest of the three, we know him, and the others make more money. If you want to trade Lee, you have to trade him for a starting PF who is better than Lee on D and rebounding ... who is that going to be?

The value of an NBA pick 20 and up is pretty small. Look at the last 10 years and you'll probably find as many busts in the top 10 as you'll find successes in the bottom 10 in the first round.

The bench depth is better that we probably think it is because Ezeli, Green, and Bazemore are not rookies anymore, and they are going to add their last 2 draft picks from Europe and they might help out too (a penetrating PG and a 7-2 PF/C, sounds interesting to me). Remember that teams don't go 12 deep during the regular season and often go to 8 in the postseason. Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes, Lee, Bogut, Green, Bazemore, Ezeli is a 9 man rotation.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 01:08 PM
Why so much love for Love and Aldridge and hate for Lee? They are very similar players. And Lee may be the toughest of the three, we know him, and the others make more money. If you want to trade Lee, you have to trade him for a starting PF who is better than Lee on D and rebounding ... who is that going to be?

Love is better than Lee in pretty much every facet of the game. Aldridge is a better passer, just as good on offense, slightly better on defense, maybe not quite as good rebounding.

We won't get either just by giving up Lee though, we would have to include Klay or Barnes plus a pick. At the very least.




The bench depth is better that we probably think it is because Ezeli, Green, and Bazemore are not rookies anymore, and they are going to add their last 2 draft picks from Europe and they might help out too (a penetrating PG and a 7-2 PF/C, sounds interesting to me). Remember that teams don't go 12 deep during the regular season and often go to 8 in the postseason. Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes, Lee, Bogut, Green, Bazemore, Ezeli is a 9 man rotation.

Take away Bazemore, I like that 8 man rotation.

We really need a backup big man and it would be nice to get a decent PG in case Curry's ankle gets pissed off again.

Scoots
07-06-2013, 02:21 PM
Love is worse at D than Lee (but neither is good) and lately worse at staying healthy, but Love is a max player and we are not going to get him. Love's career shooting is at 44.9% which is TERRIBLE for a PF, and last year he shot 35% ... not 35% for 3s, 35% overall, and he shot 21.7% on 3s but still averaged 5.1 attempts per 36 minutes. Love is a very good rebounder, and he can score, but he doesn't play D and he doesn't play efficient offense, though that is at least in some ways the fault of his teams sucking around him.

Aldridge's "better" passing doesn't show up in the stats Lees career average is 2.7 assists per 36 minutes, Aldridges best year was 2.5 for his career he gets 1.9 per 36. Lee shoots 53% while Aldridge 49%. Aldridge gets more blocks, fewer steals. They are really very similar.

We do need a backup big man, but I think it would be interesting to see Barnes add a little bulk and play 20 minutes a night at PF, and with Ezeli and Ognjen Kuzmic on a team that clearly doesn't mind playing young players we could be okay. Certainly the front office is going to look for a role player, but whether that player is a G, F, or C they are not going to be on the floor too much.

Goose17
07-06-2013, 02:37 PM
Love is worse at D than Lee (but neither is good) and lately worse at staying healthy, but Love is a max player and we are not going to get him. Love's career shooting is at 44.9% which is TERRIBLE for a PF, and last year he shot 35% ... not 35% for 3s, 35% overall, and he shot 21.7% on 3s but still averaged 5.1 attempts per 36 minutes. Love is a very good rebounder, and he can score, but he doesn't play D and he doesn't play efficient offense, though that is at least in some ways the fault of his teams sucking around him.


First of all, comparing last year isn't fair due to Loves injuries he only played 18 games

If you're going to look at offensive efficiency FG% isn't the way to do it, you should be looking at TS%.

Love has a career TS% of .55, Lee has a career TS% of .57

Loves career TRB% is 21.5% compared to Lee's career 17.2%

So love is significantly better at rebounding and comparable in his offensive efficiency but he has more versatility on offense than Lee.


Love is not worse than Lee at Defense. Lee is in the bottom three for defense at his position.


Look at this chart for example...

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kirk_interior_defense.png

Monta is beast
07-06-2013, 02:56 PM
I guess instead of signing Iguodala straight up, were going to complete a sign & trade on the 10th for him. Were gonna trade the exception we got from trading Jefferson to the Jazz.

Scoots
07-06-2013, 03:11 PM
I didn't compare Love's numbers last year, I mentioned that last year despite shooting 21% on 3s he still shot them at a very high rate, in part because he was on a bad team.

I did say Love was better, but not enough better than Lee.

Lee is not a shot blocker, that chart is more about shot blockers. Lee sucks at blocking shots. And as I said before is not a good defender, but I don't believe Love is either.

So, to reiterate ... Lee is not a bad player, Love, while better, is not enough better to pay the price to get him, nor for him to make a significant difference in the team's results. Aldridge is even less of a difference to Lee. I'm not saying Lee is great, just that there are not many better enough right now to trade him for that would be worth the cost.

Saying Lee is one of the 3 worst PFs in the NBA on D is a bold statement ... there are probably more than 100 players in the NBA who play the 4 position including Al Harrington who plays D like he's allergic to it. Heck, Lee had more blocks last year than Hasbrough and some seem to think he'd solve our problems at the 4.

Make a list of PFs in your head in order by your desire for them for the Warriors ... now assume the top 5 are not available ... is #6 on that list worth Lee and say Barnes to get?

Goose17
07-06-2013, 03:12 PM
I guess instead of signing Iguodala straight up, were going to complete a sign & trade on the 10th for him. Were gonna trade the exception we got from trading Jefferson to the Jazz.

Source?

Edit; Never mind, I found it.



So an update for everyone, the Warriors preferred plan is the following (but if Nuggets aren't willing they will just sign Iggy outright).




ow, a good chunk of the team's salary will be offloaded in the deal with the Jazz. With Richard Jefferson ($11,046,000), Andris Biedrins ($9,000,000), and Brandon Rush ($4,000,000) heading to Utah, the Warriors will eliminate $24,046,000 in guaranteed salary from their books, with only Kevin Murphy's non-guaranteed salary of $788,872 coming back. The result? $45,859,195 in guaranteed contracts, with non-guaranteed salaries and Nedovic's cap hold bringing the total to $50,188,353.



There's another way for the Warriors to add Iguodala without sacrificing all those exceptions and all that flexibility, but it would require the cooperation of the his old team, the Nuggets. Here's how it could work:

Once the July moratorium is lifted, Golden State would first finalize its trade with the Jazz. At that point, despite only having about $50MM in salaries on their books, the Warriors would still be considered an over-the-cap team because all of the their exceptions and cap holds would keep them over the presumed $58.5MM cap line.

After that, the next step would be bringing Iguodala into the fold. If the Warriors and Nuggets could work out a sign-and-trade agreement for the free agent swingman, it could potentially be beneficial for both teams. Denver likely wouldn't want to take back any salary for Iggy, but Golden State would have access to a newly-created $11,046,000 trade exception (for Jefferson).

Using that exception, the Warriors could acquire Iguodala via a sign-and-trade, giving him a starting salary of $11,146,000 (the amount of the TPE + $100K). Annual 4.5% raises on that amount would give Iguodala a four-year total of $47,593,420, which is in the ballpark of his reported $48MM agreement. This sort of transaction is how the Lakers were able to acquire Steve Nash last summer, using their Lamar Odom TPE rather than cap room.

From the Nuggets' perspective, accommodating a sign-and-trade with a conference rival that significantly helps that team become more flexible isn't necessarily good business. But if the Warriors were willing to include an asset or two (perhaps future draft considerations, cash, and/or the rights to Nedovic), Denver could add a couple pieces and create a trade exception of their own, worth Iguodala's new salary. That's better than getting nothing for a player the Warriors could sign outright anyway.

If the two teams were to work out such an agreement, the Warriors would still have trade exceptions worth $9MM (for Biedrins) and $4MM (for Rush). They also wouldn't necessarily have to renounce the rights to Jack and Landry, and they'd still have access to the full mid-level exception. The club would be hard-capped for the season, having acquired a player via sign-and-trade, meaning team salary couldn't surpass the tax apron (approximately $75.6MM) at any point, but there'd be plenty of wiggle room to add talent before reaching that threshold.

Needless to say, such a scenario would make a lot more sense for the Warriors, which is probably why beat reporters like Marcus Thompson and Tim Kawakami are hearing that the team anticipates ending up with one or more trade exceptions. Using cap room to sign Iguodala would mean losing those TPEs, so a sign-and-trade with the Nuggets looks like the preferred scenario for Golden State, assuming Denver is willing to negotiate.



Like he says^ that's the preferred plan but I find it unlikely Denver will deal.



A lot of talk about what to send to the Nuggets to make this work, Npossible sign-and-trade for Jarrett Jack as part of the deal? They've been linked to him this offseason, and working out a S&T for him that involves Iggy/TPE would mean being able to land him without giving up their MLE. They get a player in return that they're interested in and Warriors would still have trade exceptions worth $9MM (for Biedrins) and $4MM (for Rush) plus access to full MLE.

Enough to bring Landry back if we use the Rush TPE? Is that even possible?

Monta is beast
07-06-2013, 03:18 PM
marcus thompson

lukass
07-06-2013, 10:04 PM
pistons fan here, it seems to me Klay or Barnes coming off the bench is kind of a waste I personally like Klay a lot and think he should start at SG without a doubt, so that puts barnes on the bench if I was him after a good rookie season esp in the playoffs id be pissed, which leads me to this Bogut is a liability of all liabilities he should be played 20min max off the bench in order to save him for the playoffs which means youd definitely need a starting big..... so how bout a Monroe for Barnes straight up

lol, please
07-06-2013, 10:22 PM
Never. Would rather keep Barnes.

Lloyd Christmas
07-06-2013, 10:39 PM
pistons fan here, it seems to me Klay or Barnes coming off the bench is kind of a waste I personally like Klay a lot and think he should start at SG without a doubt, so that puts barnes on the bench if I was him after a good rookie season esp in the playoffs id be pissed, which leads me to this Bogut is a liability of all liabilities he should be played 20min max off the bench in order to save him for the playoffs which means youd definitely need a starting big..... so how bout a Monroe for Barnes straight up

I really like Monroe but my opinion hasn't changed since the draft: He and Lee would be a terrible fit.

lol, please
07-06-2013, 10:41 PM
Why? :confused: Not that I want the trade but why would they be a terrible fit together?

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 10:44 PM
pistons fan here, it seems to me Klay or Barnes coming off the bench is kind of a waste I personally like Klay a lot and think he should start at SG without a doubt, so that puts barnes on the bench if I was him after a good rookie season esp in the playoffs id be pissed, which leads me to this Bogut is a liability of all liabilities he should be played 20min max off the bench in order to save him for the playoffs which means youd definitely need a starting big..... so how bout a Monroe for Barnes straight up

I suppose it isnt a horrible trade, but there are a few problems from the warriors end.

1) Barnes contributions right now is not why he is untouchable- There is a reasonable chance that within 2 years, Barnes will be the go to guy on a powerhouse team.

2) I like greg Monroe, and I wanted the warriors to draft him in 2010. I want the defensive force of andrew bogut at the center spot. It sucks- but we have to hope his contract year gets him out there more often and motivates him to play through minor back spasms and stuff. Say all the bad things you want about Bogut- but he can guard any center in the league one on one with no help and not allow the center to take over the game.

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 10:47 PM
I really like Monroe but my opinion hasn't changed since the draft: He and Lee would be a terrible fit.

Lee needs a center or big man who moves well and can help cover up his mistakes on defense. If bogut ever gets into decent shape- Lee and Bogut could be very good. Boguts gotta be playing at over 80% for atleast a month straight though.

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 10:54 PM
so I read the article on the sign and trade with Denver and using one of our trade exceptions. Exactly how does that help our cap situation. or does it allow us to match jacks offer and then use the midlevel exception OR the other trade exception from Beidrins or rush? Is anybody smart enough to break it down in more simple terms. The article was a lot of BS and not very clear on how it helped. ALso how is the number 30 pick counting 5 million against the cap right now??

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 11:03 PM
Guppy- I know you like to disect numbers. Can you breakdown the sign and trade numbers to show the bennefit please?

Lloyd Christmas
07-06-2013, 11:03 PM
Why? :confused: Not that I want the trade but why would they be a terrible fit together?

Because defensively they are the same below average player. It would just be a layup drill for the opposition.

PatelJ1010
07-06-2013, 11:11 PM
so I read the article on the sign and trade with Denver and using one of our trade exceptions. Exactly how does that help our cap situation. or does it allow us to match jacks offer and then use the midlevel exception OR the other trade exception from Beidrins or rush? Is anybody smart enough to break it down in more simple terms. The article was a lot of BS and not very clear on how it helped. ALso how is the number 30 pick counting 5 million against the cap right now??

Here this might explain it:

Even though Dwight Howard didn't end up choosing Golden State, the Warriors still managed to steal many of Friday's headlines by making a pair of splashy moves, agreeing to send more than $24MM in salaries to the Jazz and reaching a long-term contract agreement with Andre Iguodala. With so many moving pieces involved in the Warriors' series of transactions, let's break down how the moves will affect the team's salary cap outlook.

Heading into July, the Warriors had $69,905,195 in guaranteed salary on their books for 2013/14, according to Storyteller's Contracts. Throw in a cap hold for first-round pick Nemanja Nedovic and non-guaranteed salaries for Dwayne Jones, Kent Bazemore, and Scott Machado, and that figure rises to a total of $73,445,481. We don't know for certain that all these figures are 100% accurate, but they're at least in the ballpark, and for our purposes, we'll assume they're bang-on.

Now, a good chunk of the team's salary will be offloaded in the deal with the Jazz. With Richard Jefferson ($11,046,000), Andris Biedrins ($9,000,000), and Brandon Rush ($4,000,000) heading to Utah, the Warriors will eliminate $24,046,000 in guaranteed salary from their books, with only Kevin Murphy's non-guaranteed salary of $788,872 coming back. The result? $45,859,195 in guaranteed contracts, with non-guaranteed salaries and Nedovic's cap hold bringing the total to $50,188,353.

The way the pair of deals with the Jazz and with Iguodala were inititally reported suggested that the Warriors had cleared the necessary room under the cap to sign Iguodala outright. That's not quite true yet, if we assume a '13/14 cap line of $58.5MM -- some or all of those non-guaranteed contracts would need to be waived if Iggy is going to receive a four-year deal in the neighborhood of $48MM. But that would be simple enough to do.

However, what if the Warriors don't intend to go under the cap at all? Using cap space to sign Iguodala would eliminate a ton of flexibility for Golden State. The team would have to renounce its rights to free agents Jarrett Jack and Carl Landry, making it extremely difficult to bring either player back. The Warriors would also lose access to their full $5.15MM mid-level exception, gaining instead the much more modest $2.65MM room exception assigned to under-the-cap teams.

On top of that, Golden State would have to renounce three significant traded player exceptions acquired in the deal with the Jazz, worth the equivalent of Jefferson's, Biedrins', and Rush's salaries. The Warriors also have a handful of smaller TPEs that would need to be renounced as well, but none of those are as potentially useful as the ones for Jefferson ($11.046MM) and Biedrins ($9MM) would be.

There's another way for the Warriors to add Iguodala without sacrificing all those exceptions and all that flexibility, but it would require the cooperation of the his old team, the Nuggets. Here's how it could work:

Once the July moratorium is lifted, Golden State would first finalize its trade with the Jazz. At that point, despite only having about $50MM in salaries on their books, the Warriors would still be considered an over-the-cap team because all of the their exceptions and cap holds would keep them over the presumed $58.5MM cap line.

After that, the next step would be bringing Iguodala into the fold. If the Warriors and Nuggets could work out a sign-and-trade agreement for the free agent swingman, it could potentially be beneficial for both teams. Denver likely wouldn't want to take back any salary for Iggy, but Golden State would have access to a newly-created $11,046,000 trade exception (for Jefferson).

Using that exception, the Warriors could acquire Iguodala via a sign-and-trade, giving him a starting salary of $11,146,000 (the amount of the TPE + $100K). Annual 4.5% raises on that amount would give Iguodala a four-year total of $47,593,420, which is in the ballpark of his reported $48MM agreement. This sort of transaction is how the Lakers were able to acquire Steve Nash last summer, using their Lamar Odom TPE rather than cap room.

From the Nuggets' perspective, accommodating a sign-and-trade with a conference rival that significantly helps that team become more flexible isn't necessarily good business. But if the Warriors were willing to include an asset or two (perhaps future draft considerations, cash, and/or the rights to Nedovic), Denver could add a couple pieces and create a trade exception of their own, worth Iguodala's new salary. That's better than getting nothing for a player the Warriors could sign outright anyway.

If the two teams were to work out such an agreement, the Warriors would still have trade exceptions worth $9MM (for Biedrins) and $4MM (for Rush). They also wouldn't necessarily have to renounce the rights to Jack and Landry, and they'd still have access to the full mid-level exception. The club would be hard-capped for the season, having acquired a player via sign-and-trade, meaning team salary couldn't surpass the tax apron (approximately $75.6MM) at any point, but there'd be plenty of wiggle room to add talent before reaching that threshold.

Needless to say, such a scenario would make a lot more sense for the Warriors, which is probably why beat reporters like Marcus Thompson and Tim Kawakami are hearing that the team anticipates ending up with one or more trade exceptions. Using cap room to sign Iguodala would mean losing those TPEs, so a sign-and-trade with the Nuggets looks like the preferred scenario for Golden State, assuming Denver is willing to negotiate.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/07/the-warriors-and-the-salary-cap.html

Lloyd Christmas
07-06-2013, 11:16 PM
Well I love the sound of that.

likemystylez
07-06-2013, 11:20 PM
Well I love the sound of that.

just trying to figure out what stops denver from hanging up the phone on us. LOL