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Mile High Champ
07-05-2013, 03:42 AM
Hey guys, It is that time of year again! Once again we kick of the PSD NBA Off-Season Player Rankings. This is the 6th year I have done this on PSD and it always brings some great discussion and debate. Please keep things civil and discuss who you feel is most fitting and deserving of being voted in each poll.

A lot has changed since last season. Lebron James and the Miami Heat are back to back NBA champions after an exciting 7 game series win over the Spurs. Let start the discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 5 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.


REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best


2013 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Tony Parker
3) Russel Westbrook
4) Stephen Curry
5) Kyrie Irving
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7)
8)
9)
10)


2012 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
3) Russell Westbrook
4) Deron Williams
5) Rajon Rondo
6) Tony Parker
7) Steve Nash
8) Kyrie Irving
9) Kyle Lowry
10) Ty Lawson

2011 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Derrick Rose
3) Deron Williams
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Tony Parker
8) Jason Kidd
9) Chauncey Billups
10) Stephen Curry

2010 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Deron Williams
2) Chris Paul
3) Steve Nash
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chauncey Billups
7) Russel Westbrook
8) Tony Parker
9) Jason Kidd
10) Tyreke Evans

2009 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Chauncey Billups
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Jose Calderon
10) Jason Kidd

2008 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Steve Nash
3) Deron Williams
4) Baron Davis
5) Tony Parker
6) Jason Kidd
7) Chauncey Billups
8) Gilbert Arenas
9) Jose Calderon
10) Andre Miller

Aust
07-05-2013, 03:45 AM
DRose, DWill, Rondo...?

SugeKnight
07-05-2013, 03:45 AM
Dwill
Rondo
Lawson
Holliday
Conley

in that order

Mile High Champ
07-05-2013, 03:47 AM
Poll is now up..

Mods please sticky!

Mile High Champ
07-05-2013, 03:48 AM
Added a lot more options to the poll.

FOBolous
07-05-2013, 04:05 AM
Irving at #5 :pity:

sunsfan88
07-05-2013, 04:08 AM
Irving at #5 :pity:

I know. That just ruined the rest of the poll.

Deron should have went #5, Rondo at #6 and Irving at #7.

G-Menn!
07-05-2013, 05:24 AM
Uncle drew love is just stupid.

Anyways, dwill.

b@llhog24
07-05-2013, 07:13 AM
Deron.

tredigs
07-05-2013, 07:40 AM
Kyrie at #5 with nothing but pathetic arguments by you kids is negating me from voting further on these lil' pols. But enjoy.

Had somebody man'd up and had a bit of a back and forth it would have been one thing, but alas..

SteBO
07-05-2013, 07:48 AM
D-Will should've been #5 without much debate, but definitely him here.

bloomis1307
07-05-2013, 08:06 AM
Should have been rondo dwill and then kyrie but oh well.......

Bruno
07-05-2013, 11:46 AM
Williams easily at #6.

Bruno
07-05-2013, 12:02 PM
ive got Rondo, Conley, Wall, and Holiday closing out the top ten. per minute nash is still top ten but he can't give you enough minutes over the course of a season to merit top ten.

shouldn't we add Chalmers to the list? His WS/48 is pretty much just as good as Kyrie Irvings.

Bruno
07-05-2013, 12:09 PM
Jose Calderon also had a surprisingly good season. his advanced line merits top ten.

NYKnickFanatic
07-05-2013, 02:25 PM
I know. That just ruined the rest of the poll.

Deron should have went #5, Rondo at #6 and Irving at #7.

THE PEOPLE HaVE SPOKEN!

:)

NYKnickFanatic
07-05-2013, 02:25 PM
Oh ****. I thought I clicked DWill, but I clicked Rondo. Is it possible for a mod to change that, even though it's not a game changer.

b_russ
07-05-2013, 03:02 PM
After Rondo at 7, is it Conley, Holiday, Wall or Lawson?

Chronz
07-05-2013, 03:18 PM
This one should be over fairly quickly. I get why the masses went with Kyrie, fresh prospect with potential, his rep is growing and more people are starting to see him but hes still not better than Deron.

Chronz
07-05-2013, 03:19 PM
After Rondo at 7, is it Conley, Holiday, Wall or Lawson?

Conley or Lawson

Wall is the guy Im hoping blows up this year tho

b_russ
07-05-2013, 03:25 PM
Conley or Lawson

Wall is the guy Im hoping blows up this year tho

As overrated as Holiday's year was, it'd would be weird seeing him not make the top 10 on this list.

IversonIsKrazy
07-05-2013, 08:59 PM
Had DWill last time, so I Guess I'll revote his case again.

Guppyfighter
07-06-2013, 02:14 AM
Lawson is way better than Rondo.

SportsFanatic10
07-06-2013, 03:28 AM
d-will

NBA-GMaster
07-06-2013, 06:03 AM
6. Dwill 7. rondo 8. Holiday 9-10 John Wall and Brandon Jennings

ManRam
07-06-2013, 01:59 PM
Kyrie at #5 with nothing but pathetic arguments by you kids is negating me from voting further on these lil' pols. But enjoy.

Had somebody man'd up and had a bit of a back and forth it would have been one thing, but alas..

I mean, I agree with you, but this is far from the worst thing the PSD collective has done.

rockets-fan
07-06-2013, 05:49 PM
Remember when Dwill was the 2cd best pg, what happened?? He crushed the Rockets in the playoffs a few years ago, elite elite talent.

FOBolous
07-06-2013, 10:21 PM
I know. That just ruined the rest of the poll.

Deron should have went #5, Rondo at #6 and Irving at #7.

agreed. but oh well =/

NBA-GMaster
07-07-2013, 09:38 AM
Can we jump to no.8.. we all know Rondo will be no.7..

Guppyfighter
07-07-2013, 10:52 AM
**** that. Lawson is better than Rondo.

Iggz53
07-07-2013, 12:17 PM
I'd be happy to debate someone as to why I would've voted Irving ahead of Deron (if I had gotten to the poll before it closed). I think it's important to remember that Irving averaged unreal stats before his late-season injuries, including a sprained shoulder. Which he came back from very early.

Irving shot 47% from the field, 42% from 3pt, and averaged 23 ppg before a knee injury. He then played 4 games and sprained his shoulder.

After spraining his shoulder, he came back and played in 10 games, where he shot 38% and 30% from 3. Hmmm, I wonder if they are somehow related.

For the record, I thought Irving was better than D-Will last year as well, so the PSD voting argument doesn't matter to me. But if we're talking strictly the best player right now at his position, ignoring context isn't very valuable.

b@llhog24
07-07-2013, 01:30 PM
I'd be happy to debate someone as to why I would've voted Irving ahead of Deron (if I had gotten to the poll before it closed). I think it's important to remember that Irving averaged unreal stats before his late-season injuries, including a sprained shoulder. Which he came back from very early.

Irving shot 47% from the field, 42% from 3pt, and averaged 23 ppg before a knee injury. He then played 4 games and sprained his shoulder.

After spraining his shoulder, he came back and played in 10 games, where he shot 38% and 30% from 3. Hmmm, I wonder if they are somehow related.

For the record, I thought Irving was better than D-Will last year as well, so the PSD voting argument doesn't matter to me. But if we're talking strictly the best player right now at his position, ignoring context isn't very valuable.

Bingo. At the time I only had access to internet via mobile. I'm not gonna get into a big back and forth about why Kyrie is/isn't better on the phone.

tredigs
07-07-2013, 01:40 PM
I'd be happy to debate someone as to why I would've voted Irving ahead of Deron (if I had gotten to the poll before it closed). I think it's important to remember that Irving averaged unreal stats before his late-season injuries, including a sprained shoulder. Which he came back from very early.

Irving shot 47% from the field, 42% from 3pt, and averaged 23 ppg before a knee injury. He then played 4 games and sprained his shoulder.

After spraining his shoulder, he came back and played in 10 games, where he shot 38% and 30% from 3. Hmmm, I wonder if they are somehow related.

For the record, I thought Irving was better than D-Will last year as well, so the PSD voting argument doesn't matter to me. But if we're talking strictly the best player right now at his position, ignoring context isn't very valuable.

Cool, I respect that.

To me it just brings up another good point, Kyrie had injuries that set him out for 11 consecutive games in the 1st half (when he missed a month with a broken finger), then again was out for 12 of 17 games in the 2nd half.

D. Will also was dealing with injuries during the year, he had synovitis in his ankles but opted to play through it until 2 games before the break where he got his plasma treatment and sat out the week. That's one reason why pre-ASB he was averaging 16.7 & 7.6 on 41/35/86 and post-ASB + treatment he averaged 22.9 & 8 on 48/42/87.

Bottom line is that the net result of their season was D. Will with an Offensive rating a full 10 points higher than Kyrie (118 to 108), a higher Assist%, a higher TrueShooting% and Win Shares that more than doubled Kyrie's total. Throw in the fact that Kyrie's a bottom 5 defender at the guard position and missed 30% of the season? I mean, let's give Deron Williams his due.

The funny thing to me is trying to figure out what changed in peoples minds to vote D. Will #4 last season and Kyrie #8 last season, only to see Williams improve and Kyrie slightly slip off (whether to injury or not) and then have him fly up the rankings past Williams. You have to think a lot of it is exposure through the ASG + Uncle Drew commercials, because it doesn't look like it was his improvement on the floor or his massive contributions to his team while missing 30% of the season, culminating in a back to back bottom 5 season for Cleveland.