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lamzoka
07-03-2013, 07:49 PM
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley

JR Smith's deal is done. He has agreed to a 4-year, 24.7 million contract, the maximum offer the #Knicks could make, his agent says.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Knicks, Smith are still finalizing years and options in deal, league sources tells Y!


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Free agent guard J.R. Smith is nearing an agreement to re-sign with the New York Knicks, league sources tell Y! Sports.




THE 4TH YEAR IS A PLAYER OPTION

knicksfan1969
07-03-2013, 07:50 PM
Pls no. Dude is a head case.

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 07:51 PM
good lol

sunsfan88
07-03-2013, 07:52 PM
Damn, are Knicks fans more annoyed or happy about this?

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 07:54 PM
Great news





















for the rest of the league

ManRam
07-03-2013, 07:54 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA



Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA



Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN

you're a knicks fan, and based on the title you sound excited...

why?

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 07:55 PM
The smart ones are happy.

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 07:55 PM
Dont see how Knicks fans would be upset over this, what other option do they really have? I just wonder what the options included in his contract are.

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 07:55 PM
Almost certain the Knicks are overpaying.

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 07:56 PM
you're a knicks fan, and based on the title you sound excited...

why?

Or it can be shock. as in "did the front office not see him **** the bed vs indy?"

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 07:56 PM
never thought he was leaving....

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
Almost certain the Knicks are overpaying.

They cant give him more than 5.5 per year, so I'm certain they are not.

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
Im actually surprised hes signing so early, he'd be a decent backup plan for teams who lose out on Iggy, Mayo, or Evans.

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 07:57 PM
Almost certain the Knicks are overpaying.

We can only offer 4yrs/~20mil so there's that....

anything else?

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 07:58 PM
Or it can be shock. as in "did the front office not see him **** the bed vs indy?"

If it weren't for that he would be long gone, getting 8-9 per year. As the 3rd or 4th option next year he's great.

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 07:58 PM
They cant give him more than 5.5 per year, so I'm certain they are not.

Oh, my bad.

bowdown27
07-03-2013, 07:58 PM
I like jr but I wouldn't have been upset to see him leave. We need a second option in scoring and he wasnt the answer. Hopefully this isn't our last move.

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 07:58 PM
We can only offer 4yrs/~20mil so there's that....

anything else?

Didn't know, thought they had his bird rights and could offer as much as they wanted.

bucketss
07-03-2013, 07:59 PM
jr, you got paid, now please don't get drunk during the playoffs again.

bucketss
07-03-2013, 07:59 PM
jr smith and bargnani good luck knick fans!

knicks=love
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
Dont see how Knicks fans would be upset over this, what other option do they really have? I just wonder what the options included in his contract are.

This might be the first time I've ever agreed with you

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
If it weren't for that he would be long gone, getting 8-9 per year. As the 3rd or 4th option next year he's great.

Problem is smith plays as your 2nd option.

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
I like jr but I wouldn't have been upset to see him leave. We need a second option in scoring and he wasnt the answer. Hopefully this isn't our last move.

We have a few spots left open on our roster and the Mini Mid Level left plus whatever vet minimums we sign. We will be adding a few more players, most likely no one who will be a game changer, but solid pieces.

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
boy this forum hates the knicks.

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
Didn't know, thought they had his bird rights and could offer as much as they wanted.

nah just his early bird rights.....

can go over cap to sign him...but can only offer the avg of all the player's salaries in the league......~5mil per year

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:00 PM
:facepalm:

this ****ing sucks

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 08:01 PM
jr, you got paid, now please don't get drunk during the playoffs again.
Itll certainly be interesting what he does with a big payday like this. I'm more or less leaning towards the money getting to his head.

bucketss
07-03-2013, 08:01 PM
all they need now is hedo turkgoglu, three of the biggest goofs in the league.

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
nah just his early bird rights.....

can go over cap to sign him...but can only offer the avg of all the player's salaries in the league......~5mil per year So um.. Any coincidence if he signs for 4/20?

BcEuAbRsS
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
Or it can be shock. as in "did the front office not see him **** the bed vs indy?"

Cmon, if that was the case Lebron would of been dropped after 2011 along with Rose.

29$JerZ
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
We need Smith for at least this year.
I want him as a trade chip. Since we traded all our expiring deals our only trade asset is Shumpert.
Having Smith should help, we either get a bargain or dump him to a team. Win Win.

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
I like jr but I wouldn't have been upset to see him leave. We need a second option in scoring and he wasnt the answer. Hopefully this isn't our last move.

we're in the same boat bruh

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:02 PM
Problem is smith plays as your 2nd option.

When everyone is healthy he could be our 3rd or 4th option.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:03 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:04 PM
Itll certainly be interesting what he does with a big payday like this. I'm more or less leaning towards the money getting to his head.

I would agree with you, but I think he knows now how much he let get away. At least I'm hoping thats the case...

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:04 PM
Cmon, if that was the case Lebron would of been dropped after 2011 along with Rose.

huh? Are you aware that lebron was under contract after 2011 and not a free agent.

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

Imagine that defense.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
When everyone is healthy he could be our 3rd or 4th option.

who becomes the second option?

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

jesus, the no defense lineup.

bucketss
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

:laugh:

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:06 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

is this coming from a magic fan?

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 08:07 PM
Felton-JR-Melo-Bargs-Amare


Just imagine that lineup!!!

It may not be a bad lineup in the clutch if they have the ball with only a few seconds left :shrug:

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 08:07 PM
I would agree with you, but I think he knows now how much he let get away. At least I'm hoping thats the case...

Everyone would like to think that, and it seems like such an easy thing for him to just wise up and play well, but hes just way too immature for his own good. Even during his best season last year and under the mentor of Woodson/Kidd he still slipped up. When is enough enough for JR??

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:07 PM
who becomes the second option?

Bargs/Amare (in his limited minutes)

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:08 PM
is this coming from a magic fan?

Yes. It is. And your point?

You don't think that's an amazingly fascinating potential lineup? :laugh2:

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:09 PM
Everyone would like to think that, and it seems like such an easy thing for him to just wise up and play well, but hes just way too immature for his own good. Even during his best season last year and under the mentor of Woodson/Kidd he still slipped up. When is enough enough for JR??

Well I just checked and this conversation is null and void because he has already made more money in a year when he played in Denver than he ever possibly could on this deal.

akagiredsuns
07-03-2013, 08:10 PM
Can't wait to see what he does this year, or doesn't do.

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
Why? They are better by subtraction yet they want to bring him back and pay him???? WHYYYYYY

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
Can't wait to see what he does this year, or doesn't do.

Back to back 6th mans would be a good start.

RLundi
07-03-2013, 08:11 PM
Great news





















for the rest of the league

I LOLed.

Justin hates the Knicks :laugh2:

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:12 PM
jesus, the no defense lineup.

SMH nets fans back at it again. this reminds me of last offseason when you guys thought ya had the most stacked team in the league, but yet got send home in the first round by the rose-less bulls.

you guys haven't learn yet :facepalm:

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:14 PM
SMH nets fans back at it again. this reminds me of last offseason when you guys thought ya had the most stacked team in the league, but yet got send home in the first round by the rose-less bulls.

you guys haven't learn yet :facepalm:

We have to be able to take jokes about our team if we are going to make them about the Nets. Besides,he is right, the lineup would be horrible on D.

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:15 PM
Yes. It is. And your point?

You don't think that's an amazingly fascinating potential lineup? :laugh2:

I'll take that lineup over any combination of your team's lineup

Felton - Jr - melo - barg - stat >>> any combination of magic's lineup

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:16 PM
I'll that lineup over any combination of your team's lineup

Felton - Jr - melo - barg - stat >>> any combination of magic's lineup

I didnt get it either. Whatever floats PSD's haterade boat though.

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
SMH nets fans back at it again. this reminds me of last offseason when you guys thought ya had the most stacked team in the league, but yet got send home in the first round by the rose-less bulls.

you guys haven't learn yet :facepalm:


We have to be able to take jokes about our team if we are going to make them about the Nets. Besides,he is right, the lineup would be horrible on D.
Thanks for this response KnickaBocka.

It wasnt a "shot" at the Knicks, it was a shot at how horrible that lineup would be defensively. Melo, Amare, and Bargs are very poor defenders. The only guy who sort of gets a pass is JR, but hes more scrappy than defensively solid. Dont be so sensitive man, this conversation had nothing to do with the Nets.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
food for thought: the knicks were better offensively with him off the court than with him there. not by much, but still. in the playoffs it was by a HUGE margin too.


i actually don't think it's terrible for them...I just hope for their sake they find a way to limit his role. especially when he's OFF. because it's never in between with him; it's either completely hit or completely miss. and their reliance on him doomed them in the end. no team will ever win with JR Smith being a second option.

and i'm not sure that's he's not still that 2nd option

king4day
07-03-2013, 08:17 PM
Great re-sign.
Knicks didn't have many options. I don't think they could have gotten anyone for an amount above the mini midlevel.

If he walked, NY would for sure have been dropped below the Nets, Bulls, Pacers, and of course Heat.
Now they will play with those teams since Melo won't have all the attention.

NY needs Amar'e and Bargnani to be healthy to have a chance to truly compete.

bholly
07-03-2013, 08:19 PM
Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 15m
Earl Smith, J.R.'s father, told Post nothing will be signed until Friday. Still can get better offer. So far none have bowled J.R. over.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 3m
Earl Smith told The Post a "crazy'' offer could come in Friday after Howard deal is finalized but seems unlikely.

Not that anything can be signed on Friday either, but still.

29$JerZ
07-03-2013, 08:20 PM
Who isn't excited too see a Felton/Smith backcourt try to get Melo/Bargs/Stat the ball?
I feel bad for the ball

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
I'll take that lineup over any combination of your team's lineup

Felton - Jr - melo - barg - stat >>> any combination of magic's lineup

lol what does this have to do with anything? the magic are rebuilding, the knicks are supposed to be a "serious contender" and "the knicks are back" according to hoards of their fans on here last season. the lineup he mentioned would be hilarious to watch on defense, and i don't see whats wrong with pointing that out.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
I'll that lineup over any combination of your team's lineup

Felton - Jr - melo - barg - stat >>> any combination of magic's lineup

you seemingly act as if i care that the lineup i posted is better than my favorite team's :laugh2:

i don't care. my team sucks, and i couldn't be more thrilled about it! my team is rebuilding properly and now your's is now stuck in limbo...but are trying to contend. that's not good


and why'd you even assume that was an insult in the first place?! i just think that's an amazingly interesting potential lineup...neither bad nor good. the fact that you assumed it was an insult suggests you're a bit worried. i think offensively that lineup would KILL


many of my best friends, growing up mostly in central new york, are knicks fans. amazing what ONE good year has done to their egos!

JOhnnyTHaJet
07-03-2013, 08:22 PM
Not that anything can be signed on Friday either, but still.

As I said earlier, Id be surprised if he just agreed already. Some team could get extremely desperate and just throw a ton of cash at him (maybe 7-8 mil a year) if they lose out on all their options.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 08:23 PM
Don't get this move. He has proven that he is not a player you can rely on come playoff time, even in the sixth man role.

I don't think this is the right move if you are trying to build a championship team. You need consistent players to contend, JR does not fit that mold.

29$JerZ
07-03-2013, 08:23 PM
food for thought: the knicks were better offensively with him off the court than with him there. not by much, but still. in the playoffs it was by a HUGE margin too.


i actually don't think it's terrible for them...I just hope for their sake they find a way to limit his role. especially when he's OFF. because it's never in between with him; it's either completely hit or completely miss. and their reliance on him doomed them in the end. no team will ever win with JR Smith being a second option.

and i'm not sure that's he's not still that 2nd option

Amare knees being shot kind of forced us to use him as a 2nd option.
I'm sure NY isn't exactly thrilled he is our 2nd option. He's so much better suited as a 3rd option.
I'm just glad he resigned so we can trade him or milk him for another good regular season.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:23 PM
food for thought: the knicks were better offensively with him off the court than with him there. not by much, but still. in the playoffs it was by a HUGE margin too.


i actually don't think it's terrible for them...I just hope for their sake they find a way to limit his role. especially when he's OFF. because it's never in between with him; it's either completely hit or completely miss. and their reliance on him doomed them in the end. no team will ever win with JR Smith being a second option.

and i'm not sure that's he's not still that 2nd option

I hate this but hopefully he becomes a trade chip like Jerz says

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
:dance:

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
Who isn't excited too see a Felton/Smith backcourt try to get Melo/Bargs/Stat the ball?
I feel bad for the ball

don't say this! knicks fans might...

oh wait...

you are one! :love:

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:25 PM
lol what does this have to do with anything? the magic are rebuilding, the knicks are supposed to be a "serious contender" and "the knicks are back" according to hoards of their fans on here last season. the lineup he mentioned would be hilarious to watch on defense, and i don't see whats wrong with pointing that out.

Oh this team is coming in as defense specialists? hmmm I wasnt aware of that.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:27 PM
The lack of ball movement will be laughable.

And mike Woodsons the head coach!

Knicks = ISo city

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:27 PM
Amare knees being shot kind of forced us to use him as a 2nd option.
I'm sure NY isn't exactly thrilled he is our 2nd option. He's so much better suited as a 3rd option.
I'm just glad he resigned so we can trade him or milk him for another good regular season.

wasn't there recent news that amare won't play b2bs and will be on a strict minute limit? or was that someone else?


if JR can't find a better deal now, i wouldn't quite bank on being to easily trade him and a long-term contract for something that makes you better.

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 08:27 PM
So um.. Any coincidence if he signs for 4/20?

:laugh: :smoking:

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:28 PM
Or it can be shock. as in "did the front office not see him **** the bed vs indy?"

Its one series dip **it.

sunsfan88
07-03-2013, 08:29 PM
all they need now is hedo turkgoglu, three of the biggest goofs in the league.

Whose the other goof other than JR?

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:29 PM
Its one series dip **it.

Last time smith stepped up in the playoffs?

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:30 PM
Its one series dip **it.

He's mad Bosh did the same thing in the playoffs and is getting the max

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:31 PM
Don't get this move. He has proven that he is not a player you can rely on come playoff time, even in the sixth man role.

I don't think this is the right move if you are trying to build a championship team. You need consistent players to contend, JR does not fit that mold.

You cant base this off one series, and for the price knicks are paying, its a bargain. But I take it either you have no idea was our money situation looks like, or you're simply trolling. I'll go with the latter because you know we cant offer more than 3 mil to anyone.

29$JerZ
07-03-2013, 08:31 PM
wasn't there recent news that amare won't play b2bs and will be on a strict minute limit? or was that someone else?


if JR can't find a better deal now, i wouldn't quite bank on being to easily trade him and a long-term contract for something that makes you better.

Given how Webster, Mayo, Budinger, and the crazy deals Evans and Iggy were offered I think it's safe to say if push came to shove we could find a suitor easily. Finding an expiring deal or full cap dump may be hard but reason him at this age shouldn't be hard. There is always room for an overpaid SG. Joe Johnson pretty much made me a believer.

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:32 PM
He's mad Bosh did the same thing in the playoffs and is getting the max

I'd be mad if if we lost. :dance:

bowdown27
07-03-2013, 08:33 PM
I didn't see it posted so....

@TheKnickFan: Knicks sign JR Smith to 4 years @ 24 million according to @FisolaNYDN #Knicks

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:33 PM
I'd be mad if if we lost. :dance:

You wouldnt be here if you lost

lakerboy
07-03-2013, 08:35 PM
Smith is not bad for $5.5M/year if they get them. He plays as their second best player, and makes like a third of Andrea Bargnani.

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:35 PM
They gave him 4 years lol

RLundi
07-03-2013, 08:36 PM
I'll take that lineup over any combination of your team's lineup

Felton - Jr - melo - barg - stat >>> any combination of magic's lineup

Lol what's your point? We are in transition. Let's not make this a team vs team debate, or is it unlawful to discuss another team's moves without it being offensive?

That lineup will get sexually abused, no Vaseline. That's the point. Offensively, it's very solid (albeit a little inconsistent) but defensively, it's ghastly.

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 08:37 PM
Oh this team is coming in as defense specialists? hmmm I wasnt aware of that.

no, but when they do see time together out there on the court it will be funny watching them try.

LAKobeBryant
07-03-2013, 08:37 PM
They have a very deep roster but I don't know about the team chemistry

AI
07-03-2013, 08:38 PM
4/$24M is not bad at all considering what guys like Budinger and Webster got.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:38 PM
Given how Webster, Mayo, Budinger, and the crazy deals Evans and Iggy were offered I think it's safe to say if push came to shove we could find a suitor easily. Finding an expiring deal or full cap dump may be hard but reason him at this age shouldn't be hard. There is always room for an overpaid SG. Joe Johnson pretty much made me a believer.

i'm not saying it can't happen...i'm just saying it's gonna have to take a really specific situation. fringe contender at the deadline desperately in need of scoring. 4 years isn't always the easiest thing to move, even though the dollar signs won't be too terrible.

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:38 PM
very excited if this indeed goes down. JR just won 6th man of the year and people laugh like we just signed some bum.
If not for Ray Allen we would all be talking about what a joke Lebron was.
JR fell apart after the ejection in Boston, other than that he was very good all year long. The Knicks have added Bargnarni and lost only kidd and Novak so far. Camby was a non factor.
Bulls fans all wanted Bargs a year ago and now he is garbage. The man brings the Knicks exactly what they needed and is an instant upgrade over Novak.

Great deal for the NYK. Now re-sign Prigs and get another PG as well.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:38 PM
no, but when they do see time together out there on the court it will be funny watching them try.

Like bosh defending a big man without groping them?

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:39 PM
Lol what's your point? We are in transition. Let's not make this a team vs team debate, or is it unlawful to discuss another team's moves without it being offensive?

That lineup will get sexually abused, no Vaseline. That's the point. Offensively, it's very solid (albeit a little inconsistent) but defensively, it's ghastly.

Well good thing Shumpert and Tyson will start instead of Amare and J.R.

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:39 PM
Lol what's your point? We are in transition. Let's not make this a team vs team debate, or is it unlawful to discuss another team's moves without it being offensive?

That lineup will get sexually abused, no Vaseline. That's the point. Offensively, it's very solid (albeit a little inconsistent) but defensively, it's ghastly.

Well good thing Shumpert and Tyson will start instead of Amare and J.R.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:40 PM
Last time smith stepped up in the playoffs?

lol, frontrunner.

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:40 PM
i'm not saying it can't happen...i'm just saying it's gonna have to take a really specific situation. fringe contender at the deadline desperately in need of scoring. 4 years isn't always the easiest thing to move, even though the dollar signs won't be too terrible.

Smith is still young and athletic. In two years Amare and Chandler are off the books, his 5 million isnt going to affect the knicks ability to go out and sign big time players.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:40 PM
Last time smith stepped up in the playoffs?

lol, frontrunner.

LAKobeBryant
07-03-2013, 08:40 PM
4/$24M is not bad at all considering what guys like Budinger and Webster got.

They got him for a bargain. Smith seems like a money > championship guy. I'd be mad if I was him, amare almost makes that much in 1 year

LAKobeBryant
07-03-2013, 08:41 PM
4/$24M is not bad at all considering what guys like Budinger and Webster got.

They got him for a bargain. Smith seems like a money > championship guy. I'd be mad if I was him, amare almost makes that much in 1 year

Blitzace137
07-03-2013, 08:42 PM
Lol what's your point? We are in transition. Let's not make this a team vs team debate, or is it unlawful to discuss another team's moves without it being offensive?

That lineup will get sexually abused, no Vaseline. That's the point. Offensively, it's very solid (albeit a little inconsistent) but defensively, it's ghastly.

That won't be our starting line-up so it doesn't really matter. I do agree that line-up is terrible as far as defense goes.

Felton-Shumpert-Melo-Bargs-Tyson that's our starting line-up which is pretty balanced.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:42 PM
very excited if this indeed goes down. JR just won 6th man of the year and people laugh like we just signed some bum.
If not for Ray Allen we would all be talking about what a joke Lebron was.
JR fell apart after the ejection in Boston, other than that he was very good all year long. The Knicks have added Bargnarni and lost only kidd and Novak so far. Camby was a non factor.
Bulls fans all wanted Bargs a year ago and now he is garbage. The man brings the Knicks exactly what they needed and is an instant upgrade over Novak.

Great deal for the NYK. Now re-sign Prigs and get another PG as well.

let's save the lebron/jr smith comparisons for another day :laugh:

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:43 PM
why are heat fans making fun of anyone? your entire fanbase walked out of game 6.

ManRam
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
and this thread has now gone exactly where i expected! gotta love certain fanbases!

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
You know the Knicks fan base is hated when ManRam is trolling :laugh2:

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:44 PM
Good move by NY, glad to see our bench returning. Curious to see who they get with the MML.

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
did more than 100 people even show up to the parade?

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
Like bosh defending a big man without groping them?

when it's all over and he's holding up the trophy who cares lol.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
why are heat fans making fun of anyone? your entire fanbase walked out of game 6.

:laugh: showed you how loyal they are

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:45 PM
You know the Knicks fan base is hated when ManRam is trolling :laugh2:

we shoulda signed a ref

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:46 PM
excuse Knicks fans for actually cheering on their team. We apologize for not being heat fans.

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2013, 08:47 PM
:dance:

LongIslandIcedZ
07-03-2013, 08:47 PM
I dont see a Lebron/JR Smith Comparison anywhere. All I see is the idea that one series doesnt define anything.

If any other team signed JR to this deal, the trolls would either say this was a loss for the Knicks or wouldnt comment at all.

The guy is the reigning sixth man of the year. He's not amazing, but he certainly is no scrub. Dwayne Wade and Bosh just **** the bed in the entire playoffs by their standards and paychecks.

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:48 PM
if we were heat fans they would actually have game threads longer than 36 posts.....IN THE FINALS!

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:48 PM
You know the Knicks fan base is hated when ManRam is trolling :laugh2:

lol, then it wont be a knicks thread w/out the she-trolls would it?!

HouRealCoach
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
Damn, are Knicks fans more annoyed or happy about this?

Happy, he was 6th man of the year, made GW shots and defensive plays, averaged 18, 5, & 3, was a solid 2nd scorer who brought energy.

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
He's mad Bosh did the same thing in the playoffs and is getting the max

He's mad that all the teams right behind the Heat are getting better while the Heat haven't done anything.

Sweat.

NYKnickFanatic
07-03-2013, 08:51 PM
JR took less money for the third straight year to play for us. Love his loyalty.

Everyone can **** on us all you want, but it's not your team, so why the **** do you care? :laugh:

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:51 PM
Happy, he was 6th man of the year, made GW shots and defensive plays, averaged 18, 5, & 3, was a solid 2nd scorer who brought energy.

I think one knick fan wasnt happy and reacted. Of course we're happy, we needed his versatility, and at a discount.

Captain Moroni
07-03-2013, 08:51 PM
Knicks could trade a second round draft pick and a case of beer for Chris paul and Blake Griffin and people would make fun of them.
There is no mutual respect anymore. none.

RLundi
07-03-2013, 08:52 PM
Another thread derailed.

Anyway, best of luck with Earl. I hope he duplicates last certain (to a certain extent) or this deal will look like hell very soon, even if the dollar amount isn't awful.

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 08:52 PM
did more than 100 people even show up to the parade?

400,000 to be exact.
http://basketfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/HeatParade1_original.jpg

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 08:53 PM
time for knicks fans to get out their funeral clothes.

RLundi
07-03-2013, 08:53 PM
Knicks could trade a second round draft pick and a case of beer for Chris paul and Blake Griffin and people would make fun of them.
There is no mutual respect anymore. none.

It's not even that. Def not all, but some of you are incredibly sensitive. With people like Justin constantly trolling, I get it, but holy hell, ease up a little.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:54 PM
JR took less money for the third straight year to play for us. Love his loyalty.

Everyone can **** on us all you want, but it's not your team, so why the **** do you care? :laugh:

Loyalty or the guy wants to party his *** off? Not like any of the other cities who were offering him contracts were anything great.

KnickaBocka.44
07-03-2013, 08:55 PM
400,000 to be exact.
http://basketfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/HeatParade1_original.jpg

There must have been a piņata.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:55 PM
JR took less money for the third straight year to play for us. Love his loyalty.

Everyone can **** on us all you want, but it's not your team, so why the **** do you care? :laugh:

Definitely a good day for us, loyalty is something that we pride ourselves in. I still think he still has room to improve and mature, which he will continue to do.

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 08:56 PM
if we were heat fans they would actually have game threads longer than 36 posts.....IN THE FINALS!

our preseason games go up to 36 PAGES. not posts. PAGES

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 08:56 PM
You cant base this off one series, and for the price knicks are paying, its a bargain. But I take it either you have no idea was our money situation looks like, or you're simply trolling. I'll go with the latter because you know we cant offer more than 3 mil to anyone.

Not trolling. I understand the cap situation. I don't understand bringing on Smith long term, which has been stated. Not details on numbers but one can assume it will be 2-3 mil this year and it will bump up in the later years.

I have never been a smith fan. I don't like high volume shooters who need the ball in their hand. It becomes too inconsistent. Good luck with the contract, I just wouldn't want to be the team relying on him.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 08:57 PM
400,000 to be exact.
http://basketfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/HeatParade1_original.jpg

Im guessing only 5% of that were heat fans?

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 08:57 PM
He's mad that all the teams right behind the Heat are getting better while the Heat haven't done anything.

Sweat.

I actually agree they should be concerned but not with the Knicks/Nets. Pacers/Bulls will get better while the heat stand pat and I think all around those 2 teams will be better than the heat next year. Its why I was all for them trading one of or both of Bosh and wade and becoming better all around. Knicks always have a shot in any series because Melo when he is on is pretty unstoppable. The Nets to me added guys but they screwed their future and I am not a fan of their moves. I think the knicks bringing back JR isn't smart. I like the Elton Brand move but hated the bargs move.

Heat/Bulls/Pacers



A big gap/Knicks


Nets/Others.

I have the knicks still better than the nets

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 08:59 PM
Im guessing only 5% of that were heat fans?

:laugh: the others were there for a tan

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 09:01 PM
Jr rather take $20M/4Yrs and live in NY, than take $40M/4Yrs and live in milwaukee with the deers. (no disrespect to the deers tho)

HeaTxRipZz
07-03-2013, 09:02 PM
Hopefully JR matures. He was a big reason we seen our exit in the playoffs. Waiting to see if we get Brand or being back K-Mart. I like the moves so far though

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 09:02 PM
:laugh: the others were there for a tan

well the larry o'brien trophy does shine quite nicely in the sun.

RLundi
07-03-2013, 09:03 PM
our preseason games go up to 36 PAGES. not posts. PAGES

18 million people live in New York, 5 million live in Miami. Of course the Knicks are gonna have more fans and in turn, more fans on PSD.

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:04 PM
Jr rather take $20M/4Yrs and live in NY, than take $40M/4Yrs and live in milwaukee with the deers. (no disrespect to the deers tho)

And this is why he will be broke 2 years after he retires. New York and La are probably insanely fun when you have that kinda cash but the taxes and living and partying is just way way way to much. I would rather sign for more with a crappy city and just visit new york/La in the off season.

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Seriously you guys need to relax. You do understand the no ******** rule in in effect and rightfully so. You are all baiting Heat fans right now. Just stop. Stay on topic and relax.

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
Another Knick related thread derailed...congrats!

I don't know why my fellow Knick fans entertain that troll (won't even mention him by name)....

I wouldn't even know what he is posting unless you guys keep quoting him....

He's nothing more than a front runner and a bandwagon and will find a new winning team to claim once LBJ leaves/retires....

Dude was probably a Bulls fan in the 90's if he was old enough to watch ball...

AI
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
People comlain about Knicks fans but it's always the same idiots derailing the threads topic with their stupidity and nonsense. Either ban them or stop complaining, that simple.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 09:05 PM
And this is why he will be broke 2 years after he retires. New York and La are probably insanely fun when you have that kinda cash but the taxes and living and partying is just way way way to much. I would rather sign for more with a crappy city and just visit new york/La in the off season.

this is our problem because??? :shrug:

HeaTxRipZz
07-03-2013, 09:06 PM
And this is why he will be broke 2 years after he retires. New York and La are probably insanely fun when you have that kinda cash but the taxes and living and partying is just way way way to much. I would rather sign for more with a crappy city and just visit new york/La in the off season.

It's not about how much you make, it's about how much you save.

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 09:06 PM
our preseason games go up to 36 PAGES. not posts. PAGES

wow, wouldn't it be awesome if you guys could get to the finals so we could all be treated to your massive psd game threads?

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 09:06 PM
Seriously you guys need to relax. You do understand the no ******** rule in in effect and rightfully so. You are all baiting Heat fans right now. Just stop. Stay on topic and relax.

No such thing as "HEAT FANS"

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 09:07 PM
I actually agree they should be concerned but not with the Knicks/Nets. Pacers/Bulls will get better while the heat stand pat and I think all around those 2 teams will be better than the heat next year. Its why I was all for them trading one of or both of Bosh and wade and becoming better all around. Knicks always have a shot in any series because Melo when he is on is pretty unstoppable. The Nets to me added guys but they screwed their future and I am not a fan of their moves. I think the knicks bringing back JR isn't smart. I like the Elton Brand move but hated the bargs move.

Heat/Bulls/Pacers



A big gap/Knicks


Nets/Others.

I have the knicks still better than the nets

What did Indy do to get better? Besides Paul George becoming a year older.

Oh right CJ Watson is the final piece to their championship puzzle.....

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 09:07 PM
wow, wouldn't it be awesome if you guys could get to the finals so we could all be treated to your massive psd game threads?

are you waiting to troll a knicks finals thread?

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:08 PM
this is our problem because??? :shrug:

Its not. If you go back and check I responded to why being a player and taking less to stay in new york is not a good thing in general. Though I doubt he took less and more like people just arent offering him anything.

SportsFanatic10
07-03-2013, 09:09 PM
are you waiting to troll a knicks finals thread?

i fear i won't live long enough...

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:09 PM
Serious questions and I would like a Knicks fan to answer.

1. How does this move improve the team from last year?
2. How do the Knicks get better efficency out of Smith?
3. What is the lineup assuming this happens?

lamzoka
07-03-2013, 09:09 PM
:laugh: the others were there for a tan

:laugh:

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 09:10 PM
Its not. If you go back and check I responded to why being a player and taking less to stay in new york is not a good thing in general. Though I doubt he took less and more like people just arent offering him anything.

Its up to him what he wants to do and why he wants to do it. Its also about where he wants to live for the next FOUR years.

Why do you hate New York so much?

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:10 PM
What did Indy do to get better? Besides Paul George becoming a year older.

Oh right CJ Watson is the final piece to their championship puzzle.....

There is still time but them and the bulls are already the closest to the heat. The heat now have to worry about Wade and if he continues to decline and all of their other players breaking down. If the heat stand pat with what they have they wont 3peat

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:11 PM
Its up to him what he wants to do and why he wants to do it. Its also about where he wants to live for the next FOUR years.

Why do you hate New York so much?

I hate all big cities that charge a ton just to live here. I hate Philly/LA and on down the list. I am not responding to the city but the player and the financial comment that guy in the post posted. Why are you having trouble with reading comprehension?

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:12 PM
Not trolling. I understand the cap situation. I don't understand bringing on Smith long term, which has been stated. Not details on numbers but one can assume it will be 2-3 mil this year and it will bump up in the later years.

I have never been a smith fan. I don't like high volume shooters who need the ball in their hand. It becomes too inconsistent. Good luck with the contract, I just wouldn't want to be the team relying on him.

Its not a big contract its less than the full mid-level, you guys gotta relax a little. Having to rely on him is something I'm not going to neither agree or disagree with you because obviously our roster has changed some and I just dont know how its going to affect us. There's still some pieces I anticipate to also be added so we'll see, but there's no doubt this was a safe move.

HeaTxRipZz
07-03-2013, 09:13 PM
Serious questions and I would like a Knicks fan to answer.

1. How does this move improve the team from last year?
2. How do the Knicks get better efficency out of Smith?
3. What is the lineup assuming this happens?

When does bringing a player back actually "improve" the roster. It stops it from getting worse. Not quite sure how the question makes any sense honestly. As far as efficiency that comes down to JR. He was doing great for a stretch until he reverted back to Denver JR with all those step back jumpers, leaners and contested 3s.

As far as lineup I still see him coming off of the bench. I have no clue how they are going to do the lineups with the addition of Bargnani and possibly Elton Brand so it'll be interesting but I see us running a similar lineup as last year with JR being that 1st guy off the bench

FYL_McVeezy
07-03-2013, 09:18 PM
Serious questions and I would like a Knicks fan to answer.

1. How does this move improve the team from last year?
2. How do the Knicks get better efficency out of Smith?
3. What is the lineup assuming this happens?

1) It doesn't necessarily make us "better", but he was a key piece to keep giving our cap circumstances
2) By Woodson yelling at JR during every timeout
3) Felton-Shump-Melo-Bargnani-Chandler (as of now) with JR as the 6th man....

True Sports Fan
07-03-2013, 09:19 PM
Another thread derailed.

Anyway, best of luck with Earl. I hope he duplicates last certain (to a certain extent) or this deal will look like hell very soon, even if the dollar amount isn't awful.

Happens with any Knicks, Nets, Heat, Lakers thread.

Da Knicks
07-03-2013, 09:19 PM
Cutting your life short is no joke brah.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:20 PM
Serious questions and I would like a Knicks fan to answer.

1. How does this move improve the team from last year?
2. How do the Knicks get better efficency out of Smith?
3. What is the lineup assuming this happens?

It definitely adds needed scoring off the bench, size in the backcourt, and some playmaking ability. In terms of efficiency, he improved his shot selection by attacking the rim more often, so hopefully we see more of that on a consistent basis. He'll still come off the bench, a role he's best suited for. And I'm assuming they're banking on bargs to start alongside tyson, w/melo, shump, and felton. Shump will continue to improve, and I can actually see him handling the ball more. Im worried about our pg situation though.

AI
07-03-2013, 09:20 PM
Korver just got 4/$24M. Same contract J.R. is reportedly getting from the Knicks following a season in which he wom 6th man of the year. People need to get over their Knicks hate.

More-Than-Most
07-03-2013, 09:21 PM
Korver just got 4/$24M. Same contract J.R. is reportedly getting from the Knicks following a season in which he wom 6th man of the year. People need to get over their Knicks hate.

um its not knicks hate when most knicks fans didn't want him back :shrug:

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:22 PM
When does bringing a player back actually "improve" the roster. It stops it from getting worse. Not quite sure how the question makes any sense honestly. As far as efficiency that comes down to JR. He was doing great for a stretch until he reverted back to Denver JR with all those step back jumpers, leaners and contested 3s.

As far as lineup I still see him coming off of the bench. I have no clue how they are going to do the lineups with the addition of Bargnani and possibly Elton Brand so it'll be interesting but I see us running a similar lineup as last year with JR being that 1st guy off the bench

That is not always true. Bringing back an inefficient player can make your team worse. Reason being, that the player is known to not fit with the teams playing style.

In the case of JR, maybe there wasn't an upgrade available so bringing him back makes sense. I was wondering if this is the overall opinion of Knicks fans.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:24 PM
1) It doesn't necessarily make us "better", but he was a key piece to keep giving our cap circumstances
2) By Woodson yelling at JR during every timeout
3) Felton-Shump-Melo-Bargnani-Chandler (as of now) with JR as the 6th man....

Makes sense. I don't know if Woodson has that kind of control yet. Sometimes it seems he does, sometimes it looks like the patients are running the asylum. Depending on the numbers it could be a great deal, have to wait and see what other SG's sign for.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 09:24 PM
um its not knicks hate when most knicks fans didn't want him back :shrug:

I definitely didn't want him back

HeaTxRipZz
07-03-2013, 09:25 PM
That is not always true. Bringing back an inefficient player can make your team worse. Reason being, that the player is known to not fit with the teams playing style.

In the case of JR, maybe there wasn't an upgrade available so bringing him back makes sense. I was wondering if this is the overall opinion of Knicks fans.

I think so. From what I see most didn't want him signed for 4 years but I think it's a smart move. He definitely improved as a player and a person since coming here but with anyone it's a process. If he continues to play like he did when he won that award he will definitely help us but from what we seen in the playoffs when he's off, he's wayyyy off. Hopefully us bringing in more help with Bargnani, Hardaway JR and possibly Elton Brand he will be more inclined to take smarter shots

Jetsguy
07-03-2013, 09:28 PM
you're a knicks fan, and based on the title you sound excited...

why?

Or it can be shock. as in "did the front office not see him **** the bed vs indy?"

Yeah lets forget he was 6th man of the year and focus on 6 games

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:30 PM
Yeah lets forget he was 6th man of the year and focus on 6 games

If people really wanted to bait they could show his overall downward production in the playoffs. But we aren't here to bait, so calm down.

NoahH
07-03-2013, 09:30 PM
Must be getting at least 8 per year

HeaTxRipZz
07-03-2013, 09:32 PM
Must be getting at least 8 per year

That would be 3 years bro, it's about 6 Mil per

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:32 PM
Makes sense. I don't know if Woodson has that kind of control yet. Sometimes it seems he does, sometimes it looks like the patients are running the asylum. Depending on the numbers it could be a great deal, have to wait and see what other SG's sign for.

I think the market has already been set for them. You've seen that position go anywhere between 5-7 mil annually: Martin, Reddick, Allen, Korver, Webster, Dunleavy and Budinger (both have played some SG), hell even Ginobili (7-mil).

JonnyBrav000
07-03-2013, 09:32 PM
Problem is smith plays as your 2nd option.



Why does J.R. Smith re-signing with the Knicks interest you if it's such a bad move??? Why don't you focus on Greg Oden, he might be a good signing until he gets injured before the season officially starts.

Also, no clue why any Knick fan would be against this move, we get J.R. on the cheap, plus have no real money to sign anyone else. Bringing him back is a huge win, plus at this price he could be a valuable trade piece at the very least.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:34 PM
Must be getting at least 8 per year

Max we can pay him is 5.4 mil.

BigBlueCrew
07-03-2013, 09:35 PM
If people really wanted to bait they could show his overall downward production in the playoffs. But we aren't here to bait, so calm down.

you need to tell that to your buddy. I mean if you really wanna stick by your sig

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:36 PM
Why does J.R. Smith re-signing with the Knicks interest you if it's such a bad move??? Why don't you focus on Greg Oden, he might be a good signing until he gets injured before the season officially starts.

Also, no clue why any Knick fan would be against this move, we get J.R. on the cheap, plus have no real money to sign anyone else. Bringing him back is a huge win, plus at this price he could be a valuable trade piece at the very least.

Grading the sig from left to right:

C+ F- C

Baiting is fun. Oden will come cheap and we don't have to wheel and deal because.....well......you know.....back to back.

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:36 PM
you need to tell that to your buddy. I mean if you really wanna stick by your sig

I dont like him, not my buddy.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:41 PM
I dont like him, not my buddy.

Who does? lol

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:42 PM
Who does? lol

Exactly. Don't worry, no one claims him.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 09:46 PM
Exactly. Don't worry, no one claims him.

Question for ya: Do you think the Heat "turned it up" more during their 27 game winning streak, or their 8-6 record leading the the title?

xxplayerxx23
07-03-2013, 09:49 PM
Who does? lol

I do. Justin is cool,. He likes messing with you guys because your all easy to **** with

ChitownBears22
07-03-2013, 09:50 PM
Question for ya: Do you think the Heat "turned it up" more during their 27 game winning streak, or their 8-6 record leading the the title?

To be honest, I don't believe in cliches like clutch, turning on a switch, turning it up, hot hand, ETC.

As someone who has competed at a high level (Bowling, yeah insert joke on next comment), I understand that most athletes or performers play at their highest level every time they hit the court. It is in the nature of an athlete, it is what gets someone to where they are in the first place.

I will say I believe the high level of play, and lack of rest during that stretch may have hindered their playoff performance. I understand the desire for accolades, but sometimes a coach needs to step in and make a decision that protects the long-term goal, while sacrificing a short term acheivment.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 09:52 PM
Exactly. Don't worry, no one claims him.

:laugh2:

Kashmir13579
07-03-2013, 09:58 PM
LOL

We told all of you he was coming back.

I was like 99% sure he'd be back and i was called crazy.


That said, news of this leaves me feeling melancholy.

GiantsSwaGG
07-03-2013, 10:40 PM
Where's clipperfan86 at?

BklynKnicks3
07-03-2013, 10:40 PM
anyone who thinks this isnt great for knicks is fool. we cant use That money on another player, So we got our 2nd best scorer back or at least another asset for a trade

bucketss
07-03-2013, 10:46 PM
anyone who thinks this isnt great for knicks is fool. we cant use That money on another player, So we got our 2nd best scorer back or at least another asset for a trade

hopefully he doensn't play anymore playoff games under the influence lmao!!!!

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 10:52 PM
To be honest, I don't believe in cliches like clutch, turning on a switch, turning it up, hot hand, ETC.

As someone who has competed at a high level (Bowling, yeah insert joke on next comment), I understand that most athletes or performers play at their highest level every time they hit the court. It is in the nature of an athlete, it is what gets someone to where they are in the first place.

I will say I believe the high level of play, and lack of rest during that stretch may have hindered their playoff performance. I understand the desire for accolades, but sometimes a coach needs to step in and make a decision that protects the long-term goal, while sacrificing a short term acheivment.

Well said. I dont believe in that concept either (turn it up). Playoffs are a mixture of adjustments, advantages/disadvantages.

mizzacNYC
07-03-2013, 10:56 PM
I do. Justin is cool,. He likes messing with you guys because your all easy to **** with

The minute his dream team is in trouble he goes tucking his tail... Easy to talk smack when you're on top, but most Knick fans keep it coming win or lose... Thats a fan base...

As for the Jr. Smith talks, I'll wait until he actually signs the contract... And if he does good move! We need shooters... As a 3rd option I'll take him all day...

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 11:00 PM
The minute his dream team is in trouble he goes tucking his tail... Easy to talk smack when you're on top, but most Knick fans keep it coming win or lose... Thats a fan base...

As for the Jr. Smith talks, I'll wait until he actually signs the contract... And if he does good move! We need shooters... As a 3rd option I'll take him all day...

Thats the problem. Smith has to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 11:04 PM
Thats the problem. Smith had to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

fixed

bucketss
07-03-2013, 11:07 PM
fixed

let me guess,... bargnani is now your second option??

justinnum1
07-03-2013, 11:08 PM
let me guess,... bargnani is now your second option??

:laugh:

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 11:28 PM
let me guess,... bargnani is now your second option??

That would be nice, but I hope Shump can develop into a solid scorer.

AussieLaker
07-03-2013, 11:30 PM
Good that the knicks are bringing him back! Hopefully he works hard and maybe he can be 6th man of the year again.

i wonder if his last year or 2 are player or team options

still1ballin
07-03-2013, 11:34 PM
Good for the Knicks to have him back. Didn't perform that well in the end, but he still has a lot of talent. I see him being one of the top teams out in the east.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 11:36 PM
Thats the problem. Smith has to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

Melo would always be the first option in scoring, thats what he does, better than anyone. Dumb to say he should be the second option.

lvlheaded
07-03-2013, 11:36 PM
Threads like this make me wish the NBA forum was contracted from PSD.

Anyway, signing him makes sense. We still have the mini-mid that we can use to get a guy like Aaron Brooks.

JR-Brooks-Bargnani-Brand(if they get him)-Amare
It's a nice start to a bench

Quinnsanity
07-03-2013, 11:38 PM
Ugh, this is frustrating. I hate having him back, but I would've hated to see him leave. He pisses me off no matter what he does.

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 11:48 PM
dp

Knick_Fever
07-03-2013, 11:49 PM
:laugh:

Hey, I know it still bothers you that Dirk still has your number. So how does my Dirk still taste? :laugh:

VendettaRed07
07-04-2013, 12:04 AM
Had to do it.

Regardless of his poor play off performance we aren't in the position to loose an 18ppg scorer for nothing. We have to build, can't rebuild. Loosing JR would make basically any offseason additions we made pointless

AI
07-04-2013, 12:10 AM
Did he just seriously say that Melo should be a 2nd option? Thought he was a lunatic already but wow, he's hit rock bottom. :laugh2:

Not every team can have a 1A, 1B and 1C option with Ray friggin' Allen coming off the bench. Some people actually are on decent teams who they make GOOD. Melo is one of those guys who makes the best of what he has. You are a spoiled fan and act way too entitled. It took you 7 games to beat IND and a miracle to win this year. Get off your high horse and stop your stupid hating, it gets old quick.

Knicks21
07-04-2013, 12:18 AM
Thats the problem. Smith has to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

Melo is a first option player in this league, i cant see an argument stating otherwise.

NYK|NYY
07-04-2013, 12:40 AM
To say Melo is not a number 1 option is incredibly narrow minded, I know Melo isn't exactly a super-duper star, but better options than him aren't readily available, my goodness..

NYKnicks4511
07-04-2013, 01:09 AM
Damn, are Knicks fans more annoyed or happy about this?

Half and half. Dude averaged 18 points last year off the bench. He sucked it up in the playoffs but after the heat that he caught from the media, I'm sure he'll get his act together (I'm actually not sure but let's pretend).

Still, 18 ppg for 5 mil a year? Hell yeah. If we want to move him, it'll be easy to find a team to take his deal also. Really a no-lose situation.

smood999
07-04-2013, 02:04 AM
Thats the problem. Smith has to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

I sit back and I read a lot of ppl, Knick fans mostly, criticize you. Although biased and going out of your way to bring things up, the way you phrase things are exaggerated at times but your initial arguments can be argued. Saying Melo isn't a number one option though...

Now keep in mind, your number one offensive option does not have to be your best player. For example, JR is our second option but he's not our second best player (that's Tyson). If Melo were to team up with CP3, he would still be the number one option although he would not be the best player. Besides that, you couldn't argue more than 10-15 ppl that would be better than Melo if teamed up with him. Need further proof, look at the 2008 Olympics..Wade and Melo were the top options but neither were better than LeBron or Kobe.

You can argue Melo can't be the best player on a championship team, but arguing that he can't be the top offensive option is a complete different argument..

smood999
07-04-2013, 02:16 AM
Thats the problem. Smith has to play as your 2nd option, and melo is playing as your first option when he should be the 2nd options and smith the 3rd.

you may not like his style or his efficiency, but he's led every team he's been on to offenses in the top half of the league, most yrs top 10. As fun as Denver is and as much as they "share" the ball, their offense has not been better/more efficient than Melo's last 2 seasons there and this yr was equal to Melo's 3rd to last season in Denver. Not to mention, NY was number 3 in offensive efficiency this past season. So who can't be a number one option?

GrumpyOldMan
07-04-2013, 09:05 AM
I'm about as far from being a Knick fan as it gets. That being said it's nice to see a player take less money to stay in a city and on a team where he is obviously comfortable and a good fit. You don't see it a whole lot anymore.

Knick_Fever
07-04-2013, 09:26 AM
Did he just seriously say that Melo should be a 2nd option? Thought he was a lunatic already but wow, he's hit rock bottom. :laugh2:

Not every team can have a 1A, 1B and 1C option with Ray friggin' Allen coming off the bench. Some people actually are on decent teams who they make GOOD. Melo is one of those guys who makes the best of what he has. You are a spoiled fan and act way too entitled. It took you 7 games to beat IND and a miracle to win this year. Get off your high horse and stop your stupid hating, it gets old quick.



Its like it that he hates us though, he does it to himself. He's the same as DMF, where you just say something that he wants to hear and he takes the bait. We do most of the time to get him going, lol.

joeystats
07-04-2013, 10:14 AM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
RT @FisolaNYDN: Breaking: The Knicks and J.R. Smith agree to a new deal, Smith's agent, Leon Rose, tells the Daily News

LongIslandIcedZ
07-04-2013, 10:22 AM
I dont understand how DMF gets banned, and this guy doesnt.


Has it come out what other teams have offered him? I imagine the New York nightlife is what swayed him to take less money. I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

Greet
07-04-2013, 10:27 AM
I don't know if I would trust Jr Smith, from an organizational standpoint.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 10:31 AM
Good move, not a huge fan of JR but you don't let a 27 year old asset go for nothing when it frees up nothing.

If Shump or Hardaway break out, JR is a very trade able contract.

Of all the deals given out to SG's this summer, JR's has to be the best deal considering production and age.

He's getting paid "average player" money, and he's definitely better than an average player.

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 10:42 AM
Had to keep him considering the circumstances but Knicks don't improve this summer one bit honestly unless Bargs explodes. Melo+Smith cannot be your top 2 options and make a deep playoff run. Melo IS a great first option but him and Jr score in a lot of the same ways offensively. There is no inside/out or any sort of balance on the Knicks.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 10:44 AM
Had to keep him considering the circumstances but Knicks don't improve this summer one bit honestly unless Bargs explodes. Melo+Smith cannot be your top 2 options and make a deep playoff run. Melo IS a great first option but him and Jr score in a lot of the same ways offensively. There is no inside/out or any sort of balance on the Knicks.

we don't need Bargs to "explode"... last year was a lost season for Bargs, but the previous 4 seasons from age 22-26 Bargs put up 18.3ppg 5.6rpg on 45% while getting to the ft line over 4x per game.

If he can give NY similar production its a HUGE upgrade over Novak.

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 10:54 AM
we don't need Bargs to "explode"... last year was a lost season for Bargs, but the previous 4 seasons from age 22-26 Bargs put up 18.3ppg 5.6rpg on 45% while getting to the ft line over 4x per game.

If he can give NY similar production its a HUGE upgrade over Novak.

Yea I was going to specify return to form of 3 years ago but that WOULD be an explosion over his last two years. Either way... Knicks improvement rests on what Bargs they get. If they get last two years Barg 1st or 2nd round exit, if they get the 18/6 Bargs they MIGHT have a shot at ECF. Will be tough as hell with the emergence of Indy though and now the Nets moves.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 11:03 AM
Yea I was going to specify return to form of 3 years ago but that WOULD be an explosion over his last two years. Either way... Knicks improvement rests on what Bargs they get. If they get last two years Barg 1st or 2nd round exit, if they get the 18/6 Bargs they MIGHT have a shot at ECF. Will be tough as hell with the emergence of Indy though and now the Nets moves.

2 years ago he averaged 19.5ppg on 15.6 fga... that's much better than JR.

Bargs had ONE bad season that consisted of 35 injury plagued games played and now people act like he's trash.

When the previous 4 years were over 18ppg, i'll take my chances that those 35 injury filled games were an anomaly and not the norm.

lamzoka
07-04-2013, 11:05 AM
4yrs/$24.7M with a player option on the 4th year

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 11:07 AM
hmmm. i didn't particularly think it was wise for NY to pick up Bargnani before and now i am even more skeptical with JR back in the fold. Bargnani is going to be the best paid scarecrow in the league out there. would not be suprised to see NY fall back into the mid 40's for wins next season.

having said that, i do feel that they got a good deal on JR's contract. solid value at that price.

bagwell368
07-04-2013, 11:07 AM
A good move I suppose, Smith should only touch the ball when he rebounds or dunks and Carmelo doesn't tolerate teammates very well that like to take more than 1 shot every 8 minutes.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 11:12 AM
hmmm. i didn't particularly think it was wise for NY to pick up Bargnani before and now i am even more skeptical with JR back in the fold. Bargnani is going to be the best paid scarecrow in the league out there. would not be suprised to see NY fall back into the mid 40's for wins next season.

having said that, i do feel that they got a good deal on JR's contract. solid value at that price.

Man I respect most TOR fans a lot, they are passionate and they follow and support their team even in bad times. but all your posts in every knick related thread are now just coming across as hating and bitter, for someone that admittedly didn't follow NY much last year you sure do have a lot of negative things to say about them.

How in the world you think JR coming back hurts Bargs or NY? I don't know.

As a knick fan, I'm definitely more confident having JR back with Bargs... Bargs probably isn't a #2 option, let alone a #1 that he was asked to be in TOR. But Bargs as a #2b or #3 option? Much better!

Yet somehow you think that's a bad thing? ANd somehow you think resigning JR and replacing Novak with Bargs will cost NY about 10 wins?

jimm120
07-04-2013, 11:12 AM
hmmm. i didn't particularly think it was wise for NY to pick up Bargnani before and now i am even more skeptical with JR back in the fold. Bargnani is going to be the best paid scarecrow in the league out there. would not be suprised to see NY fall back into the mid 40's for wins next season.

having said that, i do feel that they got a good deal on JR's contract. solid value at that price.


So...

They lost Camby, Novak, Kidd, Copeland
They added Bargniani,

And they're gonna fall back down to the 40's in wins?

Kidd and Novak were the only rotation guys...and Kidd was done (sucked since mid-January) and Novak barely played.

But somehow adding Bargniani and getting a "healthy (as can be)" Amare back is gonna make them regress......yeah...

Gators123
07-04-2013, 11:14 AM
Wow, a solid deal. Not bad.

jimm120
07-04-2013, 11:16 AM
http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/jr-smith-agrees-to-247m-contract-with-knicks-agent-says-257085.html

J.R. Smith has accepted the terms of a new 4-year, $24.7 million contract this morning, his agent Leon Rose told The Post. - See more at: http://prosportsdaily.com/articles/jr-smith-agrees-to-247m-contract-with-knicks-agent-says-257085.html#sthash.oWEanXd4.dpuf

Official. Knicks re-sign Smith.

As said, yes, he has flaws. Only problem is that there is no other way to get a 5 million player. Knicks only have 3 mil. Also, Smith ISN'T a 5 mil player. He is easily an 8 mil player at least after getting the 6th Man award.

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 11:17 AM
2 years ago he averaged 19.5ppg on 15.6 fga... that's much better than JR.

Bargs had ONE bad season that consisted of 35 injury plagued games played and now people act like he's trash.

When the previous 4 years were over 18ppg, i'll take my chances that those 35 injury filled games were an anomaly and not the norm.

Was it only a year ago? Thought it was two full seasons ago. I think a ton of that has to do with the terrible team thing. Bargnani's advanced stats are below average role player ones.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01.html

Some of those WS/48 numbers are probably matched by half of the Knicks team. Something has never added up with Bargs impact even with those big scoring seasons.

Career PER of 14.3 and career WS/48 of .059 is pretty damn bad for a player that scored 18 ppg over the last 4 years prior to 2012-2013.

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 11:19 AM
Man I respect most TOR fans a lot, they are passionate and they follow and support their team even in bad times. but all your posts in every knick related thread are now just coming across as hating and bitter, for someone that admittedly didn't follow NY much last year you sure do have a lot of negative things to say about them.

How in the world you think JR coming back hurts Bargs or NY? I don't know.

As a knick fan, I'm definitely more confident having JR back with Bargs... Bargs probably isn't a #2 option, let alone a #1 that he was asked to be in TOR. But Bargs as a #2b or #3 option? Much better!

Yet somehow you think that's a bad thing? ANd somehow you think resigning JR and replacing Novak with Bargs will cost NY about 10 wins?

not trying to hate, just giving an honest opinion. the composition of the team matters - not just the "talent" level.

since you are trying to paint me as an irrational hater i will paint a picture for you. Melo and JR combine for basically 40 shots a game. what does that leave Bargnani, if he's your starting PF? 10 fga per game maybe?

this isn't rocket science. you've acquired perhaps the leagues most useless player when the ball isn't in his hands, and with the return of Smith he's going to be wandering around without the ball the majority of the time. at least you can hang your hat on all those hard picks, that savvy defense and his hustle plays.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 11:20 AM
Was it only a year ago? Thought it was two full seasons ago.

yep...

2011-12... 19.5ppg, he was injured that year as well though, and it was a lockout shortened season.

But really last year was his only bad offensive season since his 2nd year in the league when he was like 19 or 20.

Knick_Fever
07-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Yea I was going to specify return to form of 3 years ago but that WOULD be an explosion over his last two years. Either way... Knicks improvement rests on what Bargs they get. If they get last two years Barg 1st or 2nd round exit, if they get the 18/6 Bargs they MIGHT have a shot at ECF. Will be tough as hell with the emergence of Indy though and now the Nets moves.

As well as the Bulls. But this move really hinges on how he works with Melo and I doubt bargs gets more than 15 ppg playing alongside the league's leading scorer. But that scoring difference is what we got him for. Knicks were 11th in scoring last season, just not enough offense.

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 11:21 AM
So...

They lost Camby, Novak, Kidd, Copeland
They added Bargniani,

And they're gonna fall back down to the 40's in wins?

Kidd and Novak were the only rotation guys...and Kidd was done (sucked since mid-January) and Novak barely played.

But somehow adding Bargniani and getting a "healthy (as can be)" Amare back is gonna make them regress......yeah...

i just gave my opinion on why to nycericanguy. rather than type it again just read that please.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 11:25 AM
not trying to hate, just giving an honest opinion. the composition of the team matters - not just the "talent" level.

since you are trying to paint me as an irrational hater i will paint a picture for you. Melo and JR combine for basically 40 shots a game. what does that leave Bargnani, if he's your starting PF? 10 fga per game maybe?

this isn't rocket science. you've acquired perhaps the leagues most useless player when the ball isn't in his hands, and with the return of Smith he's going to be wandering around without the ball the majority of the time. at least you can hang your hat on all those hard picks, that savvy defense and his hustle plays.

Melo & JR combined for 38 shots per game last year out of necessity. Even Felton shot way too much. If you watched NY you'd know they needed more scoring options, replacing Novak with Bargs is a huge upgrade... and will allow Melo, JR & Felton breathing room. Bargs is not a guy that's going to shoot 20x per game. With 12 FGA or so he should be able to give us 15ppg.

And you don't understand floor spacing if you think Bargs will only help with the ball in his hands. Bargs will open up the middle for Melo, JR & co big time. We haven't had a PF that can shoot and spread the floor alongside Melo his whole time here.

I'm not painting you as anything, you're supposedly a TOR fan yet you come into every knick related thread to say something negative about a team you even said you don't follow much. Irrational is someone saying resigning JR and replacing Camby & Novak with Bargs will cost NY 10 wins... now thats irrational

it's clear you harbor a lot of resentment, almost to an unhealthy level against Bargs with the way you say he's the most "useless player in the league"... but don't let that turn into hate against NY as a team

Greet
07-04-2013, 11:35 AM
A good move I suppose, Smith should only touch the ball when he rebounds or dunks and Carmelo doesn't tolerate teammates very well that like to take more than 1 shot every 8 minutes.

:laugh: Great post

ManRam
07-04-2013, 11:38 AM
someone on twitter put it well...in terms i can relate to.

"Knicks fans are getting Otised".

A reference to Otis and the Magic...who got close to the top, and thus started shelling out money left and right and making some very questionable trades. It's not necessarily a bad thing, because it's really hard/impossible to get over that last hump, and there are only so many trades/moves you can make. i just have the feeling it might start to backfire.

The one reason I don't completely buy it is because after the 2015 season their salary won't be too much. We were left with slightly more long-term ones (thank god for the amnesty provision).


And for the record, I've decided that JR was neither over nor underpaid here.

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 11:41 AM
Melo & JR combined for 38 shots per game last year out of necessity. Even Felton shot way too much. If you watched NY you'd know they needed more scoring options, replacing Novak with Bargs is a huge upgrade... and will allow Melo, JR & Felton breathing room. Bargs is not a guy that's going to shoot 20x per game. With 12 FGA or so he should be able to give us 15ppg.

And you don't understand floor spacing if you think Bargs will only help with the ball in his hands. Bargs will open up the middle for Melo, JR & co big time. We haven't had a PF that can shoot and spread the floor alongside Melo his whole time here.

I'm not painting you as anything, you're supposedly a TOR fan yet you come into every knick related thread to say something negative about a team you even said you don't follow much. Irrational is someone saying resigning JR and replacing Camby & Novak with Bargs will cost NY 10 wins... now thats irrational

it's clear you harbor a lot of resentment, almost to an unhealthy level against Bargs with the way you say he's the most "useless player in the league"... but don't let that turn into hate against NY as a team

believe me i've seen how much the Raptors have benefited from all that floor spacing over the years. the effect has been profound. please.

i'm not trying to force my opinion on you, i'm just giving you mine. you have to have players playing roles, and i'm telling you it's my opinion that you can't have a scarecrow for a third option. scoring is nice, but it doesn't make up for what you get from him the other 70 possessions he's on the floor.

and if you read a little closer you will see that i didn't call him the most useless player in the league, i said he was the most useless player in the league when the ball isn't in his hands. he isn't a passer, he's one of the worst rebounders in the history of the game of basketball, he provides less than zero paint protection and he's got perhaps the lowest defensive iq in the league as well. his man d is solid, but you probably won't see that more than 8-10 possessions a game. now which of these assessments are you disagreeing with, exactly?

and i'm not in agreement with you on your definition of irrational either. you can't accurately evaluate a teams prospects with simplistic formulas like

last years team - camby - novak + bargnani = better

Greet
07-04-2013, 11:42 AM
someone on twitter put it well...in terms i can relate to.

"Knicks fans are getting Otised".

A reference to Otis and the Magic...who got close to the top, and thus started shelling out money left and right and making some very questionable trades. It's not necessarily a bad thing, because it's really hard/impossible to get over that last hump, and there are only so many trades/moves you can make. i just have the feeling it might start to backfire.

The one reason I don't completely buy it is because after the 2015 season their salary won't be too much. We were left with slightly more long-term ones (thank god for the amnesty provision).


And for the record, I've decided that JR was neither over nor underpaid here.

Question: Did Otis believe that the Magic championship window was rapidly closing? He had to know that Dwight was going to test the market, and that if they didn't win a championship he probably wouldn't stay.

I ask this because 1.) I think the Knicks window is a little bit bigger than Orlando's was and 2.) I think the Dwight situation right now is going to be the same for Carmelo, I think if the Knicks don't get past an ECF by his final year.... he may be gone.

xxplayerxx23
07-04-2013, 11:45 AM
Had to keep him considering the circumstances but Knicks don't improve this summer one bit honestly unless Bargs explodes. Melo+Smith cannot be your top 2 options and make a deep playoff run. Melo IS a great first option but him and Jr score in a lot of the same ways offensively. There is no inside/out or any sort of balance on the Knicks.

Summers over? **** let me get my hoodies out

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 11:49 AM
Summers over? **** let me get my hoodies out

With JR's signing you have nothing but minimum contracts. Not sure what can be a "significant" move.

ManningToTyree
07-04-2013, 11:52 AM
We have not used the mini mid level yet so not really sure what you are talking about

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 11:57 AM
With JR's signing you have nothing but minimum contracts. Not sure what can be a "significant" move.

Knick fans get a bad rep, but all I see is other fans baiting and hating NY here for no reason whatsoever. And talking about stuff they clearly have no idea about.

For the record, the Knicks have not spent their MLE yet, so yes they have more than just vet min to offer.

Knick_Fever
07-04-2013, 12:01 PM
Necessary move, we need the offense. No way to tell how the team will play with bargs though, if he's gonna get big minutes or not, etc. Shump will continue to improve so thats a variable we havent accounted for, I can only assume his scoring will increase.

Nycbball08
07-04-2013, 12:03 PM
Lol, one of the more entertaining threads I've read in a while, better than def comedy jam. With that said, JR's a knucklehead but I like the signing.

Captain Moroni
07-04-2013, 12:10 PM
Had to keep him considering the circumstances but Knicks don't improve this summer one bit honestly unless Bargs explodes. Melo+Smith cannot be your top 2 options and make a deep playoff run. Melo IS a great first option but him and Jr score in a lot of the same ways offensively. There is no inside/out or any sort of balance on the Knicks.

Im not going to sit here and HOMER my way into saying the Knicks Inside Out game is awesome, but I do think you are undervaluing what we have.

First off, Bargnarni is a definite post up threat as well as an outside shooter. In essence he replaced Steve Novak who was as one dimensional as it gets.

You mention the worst case scenario for NY but fail to mention the upsides.

IF Amare Stoudemire is healthy, and why not? NY has an inside game that might be impossible to stop with their ouside shooters and slashers.

Melo is Melo, the NBA scoring leader. Chandler is a garbage man who scores on Alley-oops and put backs. Bargs adds a totally new dimension that will stretch the defense big time.

Shumpert finally healthy showed his game was back in the playoffs. And we added sharpshooter Tim Hardaway Jr.

With JR Smith back, this team has alot of options. Health will determine those options.

Thing is, no one knows about the health of any NBA player until the games start.

Crackadalic
07-04-2013, 12:27 PM
Why is it that every knick related thread is like 16+ pages lol. Jr smith is a nut but were not talented enough to let him go. Plus at the price he's making its a bargain. If he doesn't pan out he's a good trade chip with a not so outrageous contract

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Knick fans get a bad rep, but all I see is other fans baiting and hating NY here for no reason whatsoever. And talking about stuff they clearly have no idea about.

For the record, the Knicks have not spent their MLE yet, so yes they have more than just vet min to offer.

Actually you don't have your MLE because you're a major tax paying team. You get mini mid which is 3 million. Not enough to add a player who will have a significant impact. So you're right you have one slightly above veteran mid contract and rest minimum. I'm not making fun of the Knicks, just saying they are financially strapped, not sure what the problem is.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 12:43 PM
Actually you don't have your MLE because you're a major tax paying team. You get mini mid which is 3 million. Not enough to add a player who will have a significant impact. So you're right you have one slightly above veteran mid contract and rest minimum. I'm not making fun of the Knicks, just saying they are financially strapped, not sure what the problem is.

Yes I think every knick fan knows we have the MLE of $3.19m... that's not slightly above vet min BTW... vet min starts at 474k up to $1.4m depending on service time.

No "problem"... just don't get all the obsession/hate... I don't go into clipper threads to say bad stuff about the clips or to talk about stuff I have no idea about like you just did... comes across as hate when you say stuff like "well there's your summer!, now u only have vet min to offer"... or "knicks dont improve one bit this summer" especially when its incorrect and when the summer is nowhere near over.

Chronz
07-04-2013, 12:44 PM
Wait, did Bargs get traded?

NYKnickFanatic
07-04-2013, 12:45 PM
Actually you don't have your MLE because you're a major tax paying team. You get mini mid which is 3 million. Not enough to add a player who will have a significant impact. So you're right you have one slightly above veteran mid contract and rest minimum. I'm not making fun of the Knicks, just saying they are financially strapped, not sure what the problem is.

I think he meant MMLE, not MLE.

NYKnickFanatic
07-04-2013, 12:45 PM
Actually you don't have your MLE because you're a major tax paying team. You get mini mid which is 3 million. Not enough to add a player who will have a significant impact. So you're right you have one slightly above veteran mid contract and rest minimum. I'm not making fun of the Knicks, just saying they are financially strapped, not sure what the problem is.

I think he meant MMLE, not MLE.

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 12:52 PM
Yes I think every knick fan knows we have the MLE of $3.19m... that's not slightly above vet min BTW... vet min starts at 474k up to $1.4m depending on service time.

No "problem"... just don't get all the obsession/hate... I don't go into clipper threads to say bad stuff about the clips or to talk about stuff I have no idea about like you just did... comes across as hate when you say stuff like "well there's your summer!, now u only have vet min to offer"... or "knicks dont improve one bit this summer" especially when its incorrect and when the summer is nowhere near over.

you don't have to agree with other peoples opinion but last i checked this was the general NBA forum. don't expect a NY bias here.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 12:55 PM
you don't have to agree with other peoples opinion but last i checked this was the general NBA forum. don't expect a NY bias here.

Well if someone says "NY can now only offer vet min's" and they are flat out wrong, I will point it out.

GrumpyOldMan
07-04-2013, 01:08 PM
Just a quick question. Is Shump going to be coming off the bench now that Smith resigned? Or will Melo play the 4 with Bargs coming off the bench? Just curious because I think Shump should get as much playing time as possible. I'm a Raptor fan who was fed up with Bargs, but if used properly I think he could be a great second unit guy for the Knicks. Just don't expect much defense or rebounding from him.

Jamiecballer
07-04-2013, 01:10 PM
Well if someone says "NY can now only offer vet min's" and they are flat out wrong, I will point it out.

ok, and that's totally cool. but is that what you were referring to earlier about people randomly hating on NY and **** like that? i don't think it was.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 01:12 PM
Just a quick question. Is Shump going to be coming off the bench now that Smith resigned? Or will Melo play the 4 with Bargs coming off the bench? Just curious because I think Shump should get as much playing time as possible. I'm a Raptor fan who was fed up with Bargs, but if used properly I think he could be a great second unit guy for the Knicks. Just don't expect much defense or rebounding from him.

Don't know, the most logical lineup to me is...

Chandler
Bargs
Melo
Shump
Felton

Bargs should start because we've been needing a 4 that can shoot. Bargs post 1 on 1 defense is pretty good from what I've read, it's just his help defense that sucks, but Tyson is a master at help defense so hopefully he can cover up Bargs there somewhat.

I think JR should be off the bench, but either way I think Shump will get 30mpg this year at least. He was on a minutes limit coming off the ACL, but that was lifted late in the year.

nycericanguy
07-04-2013, 01:13 PM
ok, and that's totally cool. but is that what you were referring to earlier about people randomly hating on NY and **** like that? i don't think it was.

You'd have to be blind to not see there is some blatant hating and or baiting going on here that brings nothing to discussions. Mods are aware of it... it is what it is...i'm not even going to reply to it anymore

Clippersfan86
07-04-2013, 01:13 PM
Yes I think every knick fan knows we have the MLE of $3.19m... that's not slightly above vet min BTW... vet min starts at 474k up to $1.4m depending on service time.

No "problem"... just don't get all the obsession/hate... I don't go into clipper threads to say bad stuff about the clips or to talk about stuff I have no idea about like you just did... comes across as hate when you say stuff like "well there's your summer!, now u only have vet min to offer"... or "knicks dont improve one bit this summer" especially when its incorrect and when the summer is nowhere near over.

What "bad" things did I say? All I said was Bargs is in a way going to make or break the Knicks because otherwise they have the same roster, just a year older. If they can add somebody like Elton Brand it would help quite a bit but if they don't, they are a very similar team. The reason the upside is low is because of the age of your core players and the overall roster.

Again I have no PERSONAL beef with the Knicks, just trying to be honest. Trust me the Clippers are more hated or at worst equally to the Knicks in recent years. All I hear is how overrated we are, 1st or 2nd round exit at best, how much we flop.. blah blah. This is not the same thing I'm doing. Not picking apart the Knicks just stating the finances.

NYK|NYY
07-04-2013, 01:20 PM
What "bad" things did I say? All I said was Bargs is in a way going to make or break the Knicks because otherwise they have the same roster, just a year older. If they can add somebody like Elton Brand it would help quite a bit but if they don't, they are a very similar team. The reason the upside is low is because of the age of your core players and the overall roster.

Again I have no PERSONAL beef with the Knicks, just trying to be honest. Trust me the Clippers are more hated or at worst equally to the Knicks in recent years. All I hear is how overrated we are, 1st or 2nd round exit at best, how much we flop.. blah blah. This is not the same thing I'm doing. Not picking apart the Knicks just stating the finances.

Heh. Unlikely.