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StriveGreatness
06-30-2013, 05:58 PM
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Ryan328
06-30-2013, 06:00 PM
@HowardBeckNYT: Knicks appear close to acquiring Andrea Bargnani from Toronto, per source. NY offering Camby, Novak, 2 picks (1st rd/2nd rd).

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:02 PM
woohoo another soft defensive big man in NY!

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:03 PM
Really New York ? LMFAO

Guppyfighter
06-30-2013, 06:04 PM
Wow, Masai already working his magic for the Raptors.

Cracka2HI!
06-30-2013, 06:05 PM
Guess Toronto could Bledsoe for him. The Knicks will have over $30 million tied up in soft PF's. LOL, is Isiah back?

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:05 PM
Were giving up 2 soft players for one. Good trade

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:06 PM
Guess Toronto could Bledsoe for him. The Knicks will have over $30 million tied up in soft PF's. LOL, is Isiah back?

Brags and Griffen are the softest players in the league.

Korman12
06-30-2013, 06:06 PM
Brags and Griffen are the softest players in the league.

There's softer than Griffin

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:06 PM
Bledsoe for Derozan is prob next

Korman12
06-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Regardless, this seems weird.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:07 PM
Guess Toronto could Bledsoe for him. The Knicks will have over $30 million tied up in soft PF's. LOL, is Isiah back?

doesnt hurt NY's cap... all NY contracts expire for the 2015 FA class, which seems to be the plan.

actually this helps the cap since Novak ate $4m into 2015.

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:08 PM
Hhaha

Raptors clearly destroy the Knicks in this trade. Huge win for raps.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:08 PM
The player trade isnt bad its the 1st rd draft pick that scares me.

JOhnnyTHaJet
06-30-2013, 06:08 PM
Not sure how well he fits, doesn't Copeland basically play extremely similar?

WARRIORS@GR
06-30-2013, 06:09 PM
AND TWO PICKS???

Lol Knicks.Masai is really good.

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:09 PM
Brags and Griffen are the softest players in the league.

Just so you know my prediction you put in your sig was right. Leonard played off LeBron and cost the Spurs the title. Hahahahaha winner!

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:09 PM
If the Knicks bigs get hit with injuries they will be screwed . Bargs is a worse rebounder than Brook Lopez

xxplayerxx23
06-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Wtf!!

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Hhaha

Raptors clearly destroy the Knicks in this trade. Huge win for raps.

:laugh2: Not even close, low risk for both teams.

NYKnickFanatic
06-30-2013, 06:12 PM
:sigh: wtf...

Cracka2HI!
06-30-2013, 06:13 PM
Brags and Griffen are the softest players in the league.

Obvious troll, but fail none the less.

knicks=love
06-30-2013, 06:13 PM
ugh

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:14 PM
Bargs is 1 year removed from back to back fairly efficient 20ppg seasons.

Knicks need scoring....

elledaddy
06-30-2013, 06:14 PM
Seems fair to me, Camby and Novak cant get on the floor. Trading 8.5 mill for 10 mill that can get on the floor is kool. Its just that pick,hopefully its 2018

UPRock
06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
I like it for both teams, Bargnani clearly needs a changes of direction. People forget that in 2011 he was an All Star candidate before he got injured.

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
:laugh2: Not even close, low risk for both teams.

Just a dumb trade , forget the Risk . You guys didn't need more scores who can't play defense you neededed another defensive big . Should have waited and did a three way with Houston to get Asik from Houston if they gotten Howard and sent Bargs there to help stretch the floor .

Cracka2HI!
06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
The trade itself isn't that bad for the Knicks, but I just wonder how you play both Bargnani and Stat.

ACanadian
06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
Yay

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:15 PM
If he were going to SA for 2 rarely used bench players and a 1st everyone would be saying it's a steal for SA

because its the knicks they get trashed...lol

mdm692
06-30-2013, 06:16 PM
Were giving up 2 soft players for one. Good trade
Not when you have Bargs making 11 mil and stat 20 mil.

NYKnickFanatic
06-30-2013, 06:17 PM
How do we give up a 1st round pick for him? Makes no ****ing sense...ughhhhhh

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:17 PM
I like it for both teams, Bargnani clearly needs a changes of direction. People forget that in 2011 he was an All Star candidate before he got injured.

Never was an all star candidate

knicks=love
06-30-2013, 06:17 PM
The trade itself isn't that bad for the Knicks, but I just wonder how you play both Bargnani and Stat.

you don't..

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:17 PM
If he were going to SA for 2 rarely used bench players and a 1st everyone would be saying it's a steal for SA

because its the knicks they get trashed...lol

They are getting trashed because this doesn't address a need. Unless you think soft big men is a need.

rockbottom2010
06-30-2013, 06:18 PM
Tim Chisholm ‏@timpchisholm 3m
FYI: Camby - $8.4mil, 2 yrs (14 onl $1-mil guaranteed.

Novak - $11.94, 3yrs

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:18 PM
Tyson Chandler is going to wear himself out again being the only man on the Knicks with Shump to play defense .

NYKNYGNYY
06-30-2013, 06:18 PM
The player trade isnt bad its the 1st rd draft pick that scares me.

This

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
Just so you know my prediction you put in your sig was right. Leonard played off LeBron and cost the Spurs the title. Hahahahaha winner!

Highly unlikely that was the reason, game 6 missed free-throws was it, but go ahead and give your child-like 2 cents. Might as well say, "pop cost the spurs the series for not playing t-mac." Your reasoning is without conscious.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
They are getting trashed because this doesn't address a need. Unless you think soft big men is a need.

stretch 4 is a HUGE need for NY. their defense was fine in the playoffs, it was their offense why they lost.

Bargs has never played alongside a C like CHandler. Even Melo will grab 6-7rpg at SF and help out. Bargs is not gonna be downlow banging

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
:laugh2: Not even close, low risk for both teams.

Hhaha no ur wrong.

RAPTORS WIN THIS TRADE AND ITS NOT CLOSE

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:21 PM
Highly unlikely that was the reason, game 6 missed free-throws was it, but go ahead and give your child-like 2 cents. Might as well say, "pop cost the spurs the series for not playing t-mac." Your reasoning is without conscious.

Yeah leaving LeBron wide open after he hits 3/4 from three was stupid defense, cost SA the championship. I was right, deal with it.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:21 PM
If you could pick any C to put Bargs next to, Chandler would be at or near the top of that list.

as a 2nd scorer, I like him much more than JR

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:22 PM
Hhaha no ur wrong.

RAPTORS WIN THIS TRADE AND ITS NOT CLOSE

please, explain. I will give you the pick, but the player trade makes sense, and it actually helps the knicks in terms of years on contract, minus 1.

bucketss
06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
can't believe we got a first rounder for that bum:laugh: in masai we trust :worthy:

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
Yeah leaving LeBron wide open after he hits 3/4 from three was stupid defense, cost SA the championship. I was right, deal with it.

lol, yeah sure. Allen saved james ***** in game 6 and you know it. Now you deal with it.

rockbottom2010
06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
all of a sudden size becomes a huge factor in the eastern conference

xxplayerxx23
06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
Tyson Chandler is going to wear himself out again being the only man on the Knicks with Shump to play defense .

Our team defense is solid

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:24 PM
lol, yeah sure.

It happened. Uncontested 3 after 3, Leonard tried to get cute and got destroyed. He will learn.

bucketss
06-30-2013, 06:24 PM
please, explain. I will give you the pick, but the player trade makes sense, and it actually helps the knicks in terms of years on contract, minus 1.

lol knicks fans don't no what they're in for, this guy is by far the laziest piece of **** i have ever seen, he will crumble under the new york spot light LOOL.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:25 PM
Obvious troll, but fail none the less.

You mad Griffen is soft like Brags?

Lake_Show2416
06-30-2013, 06:25 PM
Heat should b scared :laugh2:

Pacerlive
06-30-2013, 06:25 PM
What is it with the Knicks reling on injury prone PFs. If the Knocks don't sign JR then they are screwed IMO.

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:26 PM
Our team defense is solid

Not anymore , Bargs is on your team

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:26 PM
lol knicks fans don't no what they're in for, this guy is by far the laziest piece of **** i have ever seen, he will crumble under the new york spot light LOOL.

New York has spotlight. I thought they just had delusion and the nation just tuned in to watch the slow motion trainwreck.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:27 PM
People are over - valuing picks.

1st, the pick NY is likely sending out is the 2016 1st which DEN has the right to swap anyway, meaning it's likely a late 1st.

Bargs is far and away better than anyone you get with a late 1st 90% of the time.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:28 PM
Just so you know my prediction you put in your sig was right. Leonard played off LeBron and cost the Spurs the title. Hahahahaha winner!

Ray Allen saved that series. Leonard basically shutdown LeBron for most of the series and defended probably better than you can defend LeBron. Calling his defense garbage was not only laughable but stupid!

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:28 PM
Why? lol

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:28 PM
Should have did this when Howard went to Hou and the 1st should have wenh to the Rockets instead of the Raps http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lehuou8

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:29 PM
lol knicks fans don't no what they're in for, this guy is by far the laziest piece of **** i have ever seen, he will crumble under the new york spot light LOOL.

Brags is softer than baby **** so you're right but he's better than Novak and Camby. Noone wins the trade but the fact Raps are getting draft picks, makes them the winner!

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:29 PM
New York has spotlight. I thought they just had delusion and the nation just tuned in to watch the slow motion trainwreck.

:cricket:

3RDASYSTEM
06-30-2013, 06:30 PM
stretch 4 is a HUGE need for NY. their defense was fine in the playoffs, it was their offense why they lost.

Bargs has never played alongside a C like CHandler. Even Melo will grab 6-7rpg at SF and help out. Bargs is not gonna be downlow banging

I feel same way except for that BARGS should and needs to be down low and banging on defensive rebounding purposes but he will stretch the other big out so MELO can have more floor space, similar to BOSH in MIAMI

a 7ft three point shooter is something any team needs in any era, soft or not nobody is questioning is shooting skill or size, its just soft soft soft, same thing I hear about GASOL who has won 2 rings and still gets the label

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 06:30 PM
The two picks makes sense to trade if I'm NY because if not then they would have to add extra salary next season with a guaranteed contract out of the 1st round.

bucketss
06-30-2013, 06:31 PM
lol, yeah sure. Allen saved james ***** in game 6 and you know it. Now you deal with it.

16 points in the 4th when they were down 10, plus a clutch three to cut it to a one possession game, stop hating.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:31 PM
Heat should b scared :laugh2:

:laugh2:

Pacerlive
06-30-2013, 06:32 PM
I feel same way except for that BARGS should and needs to be down low and banging on defensive rebounding purposes but he will stretch the other big out so MELO can have more floor space, similar to BOSH in MIAMI

a 7ft three point shooter is something any team needs in any era, soft or not nobody is questioning is shooting skill or size, its just soft soft soft, same thing I hear about GASOL who has won 2 rings and still gets the label

You shouldn't compare Bargs to Gasol who can actually play down low. Bargs is a sieve plan and simple.

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:33 PM
:cricket:

back to back. OKC has a bigger spotlight than New York. Please inform us when they are contenders and we will care.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:33 PM
16 points in the 4th when they were down 10, plus a clutch three to cut it to a one possession game, stop hating.

it was a combination of choke/heroism, it was strange. But the debate was the guy blaming leonard's defense on james as why spurs lost, fyi.

abe_froman
06-30-2013, 06:33 PM
what, why?

good deal for tor though,thats alot better than i thought they were going to have to take back back for him

bucketss
06-30-2013, 06:34 PM
Brags is softer than baby **** so you're right but he's better than Novak and Camby. Noone wins the trade but the fact Raps are getting draft picks, makes them the winner!

lol your sig.. chitown was right, he did miss that free throw that kind of cost the spurs the title.

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:34 PM
I feel same way except for that BARGS should and needs to be down low and banging on defensive rebounding purposes but he will stretch the other big out so MELO can have more floor space, similar to BOSH in MIAMI

a 7ft three point shooter is something any team needs in any era, soft or not nobody is questioning is shooting skill or size, its just soft soft soft, same thing I hear about GASOL who has won 2 rings and still gets the label

Gasol also rebounds , plays defense and is a decent passer all of those things that Bargs doesn't do . As soon as this guy plays bad the media with will eat him up and his confidence will get crushed in NY .

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:34 PM
Bargs > Novak

Bargs > Camby

Bargs > 90% of late 1st round picks

Clear cap space for 2015, clear the waste of a roster spot that Camby was...

Not sure what's not to like for NY. Say what you want about Bargs being soft, but NY just got a HUGE talent upgrade. let's see what a change of scenery does for him, and playing on a veteran team now.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:35 PM
back to back. OKC has a bigger spotlight than New York. Please inform us when they are contenders and we will care.

No one is saying they're contenders, and Im sure you wont care regardless, so let it go. The fact is the deal is low risk, its not really a big deal, but people on here are making it out to be like we're counting on the guy to be a star, lol

The goods
06-30-2013, 06:35 PM
The raptors will need a 4 correct? That's when the Lakers coome in with Gasol for DeRozan.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:35 PM
Bargs > Novak

Bargs > Camby

Bargs > 90% of late 1st round picks

Clear cap space for 2015, clear the waste of a roster spot that Camby was...

Not sure what's not to like for NY. Say what you want about Bargs being soft, but NY just got a HUGE talent upgrade.

You're wrong, that 1st round pick in a stack draft > Brags

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:36 PM
So who are the Knicks starting at the PF spot ? No Knees or No Defense ?

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:36 PM
The raptors will need a 4 correct? That's when the Lakers coome in with Gasol for DeRozan.

They traded away a soft 4, why bring another one in?

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:37 PM
Jr Smith > Bargs

leprechaun5
06-30-2013, 06:37 PM
raptors were willing to trade him only for caron butler's expiring contract instead they get a first rounder .

good job good effort .

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:37 PM
You're wrong, that 1st round pick in a stack draft > Brags

well its not the 2014 1st because DEN has that from the Melo trade, and they cant trade the 2015...

so it has to be the 2016, and DEN has the right to swap... so it's a late 1st... and even in a stacked draft late 1st;s are crapshoots.

How many great players or even very good players were drafted with a late 1st in the famous Bron/Wade/Melo/Bosh draft?

marvILLous
06-30-2013, 06:37 PM
HAAAA I'll take it!

Raps needed a wing shooter off the bench and Camby can mentor JV for a couple of years.. Plus picks?? LOL

Chacarron
06-30-2013, 06:38 PM
Do the Knicks amnesty Amare if they get Bargs?

Iron24th
06-30-2013, 06:38 PM
Did they miss gallo in NY?

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 06:38 PM
Do the Knicks amnesty Amare if they get Bargs?

they cant amnesty anyone

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:39 PM
They traded away a soft 4, why bring another one in?

That 4 they would be getting is better than the one thru traded away and Is an expiring offer . Lowry , Ross , Gay , Gasol , Val can make a playoff run . But it looks like Derozan might go to the other LA team .

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:39 PM
Do the Knicks amnesty Amare if they get Bargs?

We've already used the amnesty on billups, so we're stuck w/him for the next 2 years (well one, and then he's an attractive expiring contract.)

MrfadeawayJB
06-30-2013, 06:39 PM
So who are the Knicks starting at the PF spot ? No Knees or No Defense ?

:laugh:

herewegocubbies
06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
I feel same way except for that BARGS should and needs to be down low and banging on defensive rebounding purposes but he will stretch the other big out so MELO can have more floor space, similar to BOSH in MIAMI

a 7ft three point shooter is something any team needs in any era, soft or not nobody is questioning is shooting skill or size, its just soft soft soft, same thing I hear about GASOL who has won 2 rings and still gets the label


The more I read this forum the more I realize how delusional Knick fans are. Please don't compare Pau with Bargs, just because both are labeled as soft doesn't mean they are similar players. Pau is soft but averages 9.2 reb over his career while Bargnani avgs 4.8. If I were a Knicks fan I would be pissed at this trade, this doesn't make you better in any way. I predict he will become one of the most hated players on that team by January.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
Some of the reasoning I am seeing in here about how this is good for the knicks is pretty funny.

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 06:40 PM
Jr Smith > Bargs

:facepalm: JR Smith isnt better than anyone.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:41 PM
netw3rk
Bargs is awful so definitely mortgage the future for him.

:laugh2:

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:41 PM
woj
Toronto is finalizing agreement to send Andrea Bargnani to Knicks for Marcus Camby, Steve Novak and 2016 first-round pick, sources tell Y!

:laugh:

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:41 PM
Some of the reasoning I am seeing in here about how this is good for the knicks is pretty funny.

Its not good for the knicks, but then again, it aint bad. Its just a waste of time.

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Why? Why why why?

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:43 PM
:facepalm: JR Smith isnt better than anyone.

Smith attempting to play defense , Shot creating and rebounding > Bargs

Method28
06-30-2013, 06:43 PM
Guess Toronto could Bledsoe for him. The Knicks will have over $30 million tied up in soft PF's. LOL, is Isiah back?

Brags and Griffen are the softest players in the league.

Yeah somebody that dunks in peoples faces daily and scraps and dives for loose balls is soft hahaha

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:43 PM
netw3rk

:laugh2:
lmfaooo

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 06:44 PM
Its like the Knicks are panicking because of the horrid Nets deal.... I just do not understand... The division is theirs by default so why panic? Why make this deal? Why are the knicks/Nets so happy to give up their future for nothing?

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:44 PM
Knicks just got worse so much for moving ahead of Brooklyn

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 06:44 PM
Some of the reasoning I am seeing in here about how this is good for the knicks is pretty funny.

It's good for the Knicks:whistle:

bucketss
06-30-2013, 06:45 PM
:facepalm: JR Smith isnt better than anyone.

i remember this one time both earl boykins and bargs jumped for a rebound, boykins got the rebound.

drunk jr >>> barfnani

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:45 PM
woj

:laugh:

Hey, at least he isnt any worse than bosh! :laugh:

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 06:46 PM
Smith attempting to play defense , Shot creating and rebounding > Bargs

putting up a shot every two seconds, even if a man is defending you isnt shot creating.

from hoopshype.com on JR Smith

"Shot selection is an issue"

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:47 PM
i remember this one time both earl boykins and bargs jumped for a rebound, boykins got the rebound.

Drunk jr >>> barfnani
lmfao

king4day
06-30-2013, 06:47 PM
I don't get the picks at all. Thought Toronto wanted to get rid of that contract.

Robbw241
06-30-2013, 06:47 PM
Hey, at least he isnt any worse than bosh! :laugh:

please say ur joking for the sake of humanity.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:47 PM
Yeah somebody that dunks in peoples faces daily and scraps and dives for loose balls is soft hahaha

You forgot flops all the time, whines to the refs more than LeBron, got his nuts grabbed by Zach and punked by Zach as well as other players, a soft defender, there's more but I'm too lazy to list them

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
Since when is a 2016 pick that DEN will get the better of "your future"... gimme a break...

a late 1st is not a team's future. Heck that $4m off the cap in 2015 might actually help more than any late 1st would.

Knicks are in position to resign Melo and 2 MAX guys now in 2015.

shep33
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
What on earth are the Knicks doing? My goodness!

Masai already doing better than BC

leprechaun5
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
The Knicks will send their 2016 first-round pick to the Raptors, and a package that includes Marcus Camby and Steve Novak, league sources said.
The Knicks will also send two future second-round picks to Toronto, sources said.

:clap:

JEDean89
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
if bargnani can play like 2010 i will be thrilled by this. he puts melo back to the 3 and the knicks can run a frontcourt of tyson/amare bargnani/amare which is a nice little trio if they can stay healthy. what people forget is that camby is useless, novak is borderline useless, especially in the playoffs and that the 2016 pick is the lesser of the nuggets/knicks draft picks, expect one of them to finish in the top 5 that year meaning the pick is likely the 25th+. So basically considering the raptors will not play camby or novak and that they were just included to make salaries match the trade is bargnani for the 25th pick and 2nd rounder. That's not a bad trade, it's not stellar but the knicks will have some good scoring options next year, especially if amare and bargnani are healthy and jr resigns.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
Knicks just got worse so much for moving ahead of Brooklyn

If Brags and Lopez goes up for the rebound, who wins?

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:48 PM
putting up a shot every two seconds, even if a man is defending you isnt shot creating.

from hoopshype.com on JR Smith

"Shot selection is an issue"

Shot creating = he can get his own shot off rather its good or bad JR is a good ball handler . And you didn't argue the other points so Jr still wins lol

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
Hey, at least he isnt any worse than bosh! :laugh:

You're joking right?

sunsfan88
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
This is awful...Camby is an expiring contract isn't he?

Novak's contract isn't nearly as bad as Baragnani's and the Knicks are giving up picks in addition?

LMAO Masai is truly a genius. Nuggets fans are gonna hate dominating trades like this.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
Hey, at least he isnt any worse than bosh! :laugh:

You would be the only kid on this site who thinks Bargnani isn't a worse player than Bosh.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
please say ur joking for the sake of humanity.

joke's on you brotha.

Chacarron
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
We've already used the amnesty on billups, so we're stuck w/him for the next 2 years (well one, and then he's an attractive expiring contract.)

I forgot about Billups.

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:49 PM
If Brags and Lopez goes up for the rebound, who wins?

Lopez sadly , but some strange voodoo the ball gets stuck in the rim

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:50 PM
please, explain. I will give you the pick, but the player trade makes sense, and it actually helps the knicks in terms of years on contract, minus 1.

How?

Raptors win. Raps get a 1st and a 2nd for a player that every single raps fan will tell you is garbage.

The player sucks. Say what u want even with out the picks raps would benefit cuz BARGS SUCKS.

JEDean89
06-30-2013, 06:50 PM
do you think whens gm's and their assistants are negotiating a trade they say, "hold on we i got to alert the media of the details?" it's just funny how you hear about these things now as they unfold. twitter is an amazing communication tool.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:50 PM
You would be the only kid on this site who thinks Bargnani isn't a worse player than Bosh.

You're the only kid on here that actually lives ON here.

Hellcrooner
06-30-2013, 06:50 PM
Carmelo can actually opt out at this seasons end, cant he?

:D

JEDean89
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
How?

Raptors win. Raps get a 1st and a 2nd for a player that every single raps fan will tell you is garbage.

The player sucks. Say what u want even with out the picks raps would benefit cuz BARGS SUCKS.

have you seen novak and camby and their contracts?

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
LOL Knicks went from #3 in the East to #5 just like that. LOL

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
And let's not forget it was just last week that most of PSD was saying raps would not even get a 2nd round pick for him.

Haha Knicks are so dumb

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
If Brags and Lopez goes up for the rebound, who wins?

they would both bump heads and knock each other out and the nearest 5 foot 9 guy would walk away with the rebound.

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
If Brags and Lopez goes up for the rebound, who wins?

The ball hits the floor

shep33
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
Bargs can't play defense, can't rebound, and has been an inefficient scorer. Plus he's always injured

CEasFiRe
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
as a knicks fan Im picturing a bullet through my skull seeing this trade

shep33
06-30-2013, 06:51 PM
The ball hits the floor


Loooool

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
LOL Knicks went from #3 in the East to #5 just like that. LOL

Honestly its sad but true.

sunsfan88
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
If Brags and Lopez goes up for the rebound, who wins?

Lol that's a very good question.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
Lopez sadly , but some strange voodoo the ball gets stuck in the rim

Yeah figure, it would be fun thou watching 2 girls guarding each other

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
This is the knicks way of saying they aren't trying to win a championship until 2015.

Stunner
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
" puts Melo back at the 3 " ? Lol Melo should have been at the 3 anyway with Amare and Chandler . If anything this keeps Melo at the 4 seeing Bargs is worse than Amare lol

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:52 PM
have you seen novak and camby and their contracts?

Yes they are bad. Not as bad as BARGS contract and the players are just as bad. However raps get picks.

Raps win.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:53 PM
How?

Raptors win. Raps get a 1st and a 2nd for a player that every single raps fan will tell you is garbage.

The player sucks. Say what u want even with out the picks raps would benefit cuz BARGS SUCKS.

Not saying that bargs doesnt suck, but you're making novak and camby look like all-stars the way you're comparing the trade, that is all.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:53 PM
LOL Knicks went from #3 in the East to #5 just like that. LOL

I hope you know we traded away and broken Camby and Novak who sucks, who does that makes us worse? Brags is at least better than both those guys!

NYYCowboys
06-30-2013, 06:53 PM
Bargs can't play defense, can't rebound, and has been an inefficient scorer. Plus he's always injured

Actually according to advanced metrics he is a MUCH improved defender. He's not great, but definitely serviceable. That being said though why we gave up a 1st rounder is beyond me. I hope that it's heavily protected, but knowing the Knicks it def won't be.

mnatiq
06-30-2013, 06:53 PM
Camby and Novak would barely get any minutes. Where as Knicks are giving up so much for bargs who will get a lot of mins. They are going to be so disappointed

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
How?

Raptors win. Raps get a 1st and a 2nd for a player that every single raps fan will tell you is garbage.

The player sucks. Say what u want even with out the picks raps would benefit cuz BARGS SUCKS.

Not saying that bargs doesnt suck, but you're making novak and camby look like all-stars the way you're comparing the trade, that is all.

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
this is flat out shocking and sad

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
You're the only kid on here that actually lives ON here.

:laugh2:

AI
06-30-2013, 06:54 PM
I think Bargnani is a good fit in the Knicks system. Will reserve judgement until I see the complete breakdown of the deal.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 06:55 PM
Ujiri owns the knicks.

sunsfan88
06-30-2013, 06:55 PM
In about 30 mins, expect PSD to be filled with is Baragnani the greatest PF in the NBA threads.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:55 PM
they would both bump heads and knock each other out and the nearest 5 foot 9 guy would walk away with the rebound.

:laugh: on some 3 stooges ****

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:56 PM
Camby and Novak would barely get any minutes. Where as Knicks are giving up so much for bargs who will get a lot of mins. They are going to be so disappointed

Who's your team?

mdm692
06-30-2013, 06:56 PM
Hey, at least he isnt any worse than bosh! :laugh:

He actually is :laugh:. At least Bosh can say he has 2 rings.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:56 PM
Ujiri owns the knicks.

Psd owns you

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Ujiri owns the knicks.

Not anymore than you get owned on here.:)

NYYCowboys
06-30-2013, 06:57 PM
I think Bargnani is a good fit in the Knicks system. Will reserve judgement until I see the complete breakdown of the deal.

His numbers the season before the injury were pretty damn good. 18.15 PER. That's actually really good. I still don't agree with giving up a 1st though...

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 06:57 PM
He actually is :laugh:. At least Bosh can say he has 2 rings.

Hey lets be fair, brags play for the heat he'll have 2 rings. Both players are soft but bosh is clearly better

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:58 PM
Since when is a 2016 pick that DEN will get the better of "your future"... gimme a break...

a late 1st is not a team's future. Heck that $4m off the cap in 2015 might actually help more than any late 1st would.

Knicks are in position to resign Melo and 2 MAX guys now in 2015.

You said you would give up Novak and Camby roughly a week ago. Now you come back and say it is good for New York even though they are overpaying from your original comment. God some NY fans are just delusional.


Novak & Camby

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?825278-Andrea-Bargnani-what-would-you-trade-for-him-on-draft-night/page2&highlight=bargnani

xxplayerxx23
06-30-2013, 06:58 PM
Where does it say what year the pick is from

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 06:58 PM
He actually is :laugh:. At least Bosh can say he has 2 rings.

Oh, yeah!!! lol, you got me now!!:rolleyes:

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
You said you would give up Novak and Camby roughly a week ago. Now you come back and say it is good for New York even though they are overpaying from your original comment. God some NY fans are just delusional.



http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?825278-Andrea-Bargnani-what-would-you-trade-for-him-on-draft-night/page2&highlight=bargnani

yea i've been calling for this deal for a while... makes alot of sense.

giving up a 2016 that DEN has the right to swap anyway isn't a dealbreaker...

i don't know how that makes me delusional when I predicted most of the trade.

rocket
06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
Might have the worst defensive front court in the NBA

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
Let's keep this in mind as well. NY fans say Bosh was overpaid and sucked because he had inflated stats because he played for garbage teams. Now they are excited about Brags who has the same inflated stats playing for a garbage team.

Lol these fools are crazy.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 07:00 PM
reaffirms my previous predictions of the top 4 seeds in the east which are also the contenders in the east.

miami
indy
chicago
brooklyn

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 07:00 PM
The Raptors dont even want him lol

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 07:00 PM
Might have the worst defensive front court in the NBA

might?

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
yea i've been calling for this deal for a while... makes alot of sense.

giving up a 2016 that DEN has the right to swap anyway isn't a dealbreaker...

i don't know how that makes me delusional when I predicted most of the trade.

You didn't predict it. You are overpaying from what you said would be a fair price. You are losing a 1st round pick (yet to be determined what it will be safe guess 16-25)

bholly
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
oh my god, please let this be real and let it go through. so funny.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
reaffirms my previous predictions of the top 4 seeds in the east which are also the contenders in the east.

miami
indy
chicago
brooklyn

Actually more teams than the last couple of years. Good to see the east back in contention.

greg_ory_2005
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
Yayyyyyyyy! :dance:

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
Might have the worst defensive front court in the NBA

Tyson sucks defensively?

La11
06-30-2013, 07:01 PM
I really hope he succeeds in NY. Knicks need a secondary scorer and he fits perfectly for them.

From a raptors fan

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
The Raptors dont even want him lol

so? the lakers didnt want bynum you fools took em

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
Well It's official. They agreed to terms

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
reaffirms my previous predictions of the top 4 seeds in the east which are also the contenders in the east.

miami
indy
chicago
brooklyn

Remove Brooklyn and Chicago, add the HEAT two more times. Let's be honest it is a two team race with Miami having a 75/25 shot over Indy.

NYYCowboys
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
reaffirms my previous predictions of the top 4 seeds in the east which are also the contenders in the east.

miami
indy
chicago
brooklyn

If anything the Knicks are better with Bargnani next year over Novak an Camby who were both awful. People act like he's a scrub. He's not great but he's definitely serviceable, and fills a need. If the 1st round pick wasn't involved I'd like it.

rocket
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
Tyson sucks defensively?

no bargs just that terrible as a defender.

markh42
06-30-2013, 07:02 PM
Camby and Novak would barely get any minutes. Where as Knicks are giving up so much for bargs who will get a lot of mins. They are going to be so disappointed

Dude even if camby and Novak got minutes they suck plain and simple. Raptors only make out with the first round pick. You just keep repeating the same thing cause you don't know what your talking a out

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
oh my god, please let this be real and let it go through. so funny.

I guess this solidifies the belief that gallo is better then bargiani. I remember the raptors' owner saying it wasnt even close.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
You didn't predict it. You are overpaying from what you said would be a fair price. You are losing a 1st round pick (yet to be determined what it will be safe guess 16-25)

lol ok so I'm delusional because i didn't get the trade EXACTLY right.

My apologies... please forgive me. next time I will try to hammer out every single detail when I propose a trade. we good now?

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
so? the lakers didnt want bynum you fools took em

Are we really comparing those 2 players? Injuries happen... Bargs just sucks gorilla nuts.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Tyson sucks defensively?

They're at least average if you add in bargs?

UPRock
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Never was an all star candidate

Yes he was, both him and Calderon were All star candidates but Bargnani got injured and Calderon returned to his normal self.

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
In about 30 mins, expect PSD to be filled with is Baragnani the greatest PF in the NBA threads.

Bargnani's going to put two 20 point games back-to-back and people are going to be like calling this a steal.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 07:03 PM
The worst part of this for the knicks is that it makes melo play more SF. When the knicks were playing their best melo was at the 4. lol

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
lol ok so I'm delusional because i didn't get the trade EXACTLY right.

My apologies... please forgive me. next time I will try to hammer out every single detail when I propose a trade. we good now?

You underpredicted and now you are acting like it is a steal. Toronto has no interest in him, that should tell you something.

king4day
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
Are people saying they will be worse just because he doesn't stay healthy? Talentwise, this is a good move. Bargnani and Amar'e will never be on the floor at the same time.

Bargnani's D is no worse than Amar'es and he can actually spread the floor with his shooting. NY def improves. It won't be enough to get out of the east but to say they got wose is silly.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
no bargs just that terrible as a defender.

Yup lol

BigBlueCrew
06-30-2013, 07:04 PM
Are we really comparing those 2 players? Injuries happen... Bargs just sucks gorilla nuts.

you guys knew was damaged goods from the get go. Dont give us this "injuries happen" :shrug: nonsense.

shep33
06-30-2013, 07:05 PM
Okay, Tyson has to be on the floor for every minute that Bargs is out there.

Andrea averaged 3.7 rpg last year and in his career averages 4.8 rpg.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
The worst part of this for the knicks is that it makes melo play more SF. When the knicks were playing their best melo was at the 4. lol

I doubt they play him at the four w/ melo at sf, he's coming off the bench for melo and probably at the 5 to spread the floor.

smood999
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
isn't he better than Novak?! and we never used Camby...the picks are the only negative to this trade...Knicks actually save money quicker

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
You underpredicted and now you are acting like it is a steal. Toronto has no interest in him, that should tell you something.

I am? :confused:

I can't like the deal? A late 1st and unloading two bad contracts and freeing up cap for 2015... sounds good to me. It COULD end up being a steal if Bargs returns to form... but i never once said that... maybe you're the delusional one? :rolleyes:

More-Than-Most
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
you guys knew was damaged goods from the get go. Dont give us this "injuries happen" :shrug: nonsense.

And everyone in the league makes that trade because a healthy bynum makes you a contender. I do not fault my team for making that trade. We blow... No doubt and that trade did not work out for us but its a trade all teams risk when you factor in the position we were in.

king4day
06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
Also, for people hating on this trade, can you please propose a better deal the Knicks could have made to improve their team now during the duration of the Melo era?
"No Trade" would have kept them right where they were. If it doesn't work, they can just sit him and deal with it.
Keep in mind they are over the cap and have extremely little trade assets.

The fact they dumped Novak's salary helps his a bit. The pick hurts but they didn't give up much to take a chance. And it won't hurt their cap space come two years from now when nearly every big contract of theirs comes off the books.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 07:07 PM
I doubt they play him at the four w/ melo at sf, he's coming off the bench for melo and probably at the 5 to spread the floor.

Even better! :laugh2:

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:07 PM
Okay, Tyson has to be on the floor for every minute that Bargs is out there.

Andrea averaged 3.7 rpg last year and in his career averages 4.8 rpg.

I doubt they play him heavy minutes, I dont think they're expecting too much out of him, just a little more than novak.

shep33
06-30-2013, 07:07 PM
I just don't see why they had to give up any picks. That's what kills me about this deal

jayjay16
06-30-2013, 07:08 PM
I dont know why people dont understand that,this was a good trade the knicks will be positioned well in 2016 having plenty of cap space to sign elite free agents
not having the 2016 pick wont matter more than likely it will be a pick from 20 t0 25 anyway.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:08 PM
Amare should go too

NYYCowboys
06-30-2013, 07:08 PM
Analysis
Bargnani missed more than half the season with a calf strain and wasn't quite himself in several aborted comeback attempts, which is unfortunate because he looked to be one of the league's most improved players before the injury.

Bargnani was a force in the 13 games he played before the All-Star break, averaging 24.1 points on 46.3 percent shooting, getting to the line with aggressive right-hand drives and pump fakes, and flummoxing opposing big men with his usual unorthodox assortment of wrong-footed jab step moves. Without him, the Raptors were hopeless offensively; they're 10-31 over the past two seasons when he doesn't play.

The offense wasn't even the best part of Bargnani's partial season, though. Defensively, he went from one of the worst in the league to something resembling a real basketball player, overnight. I don't want to get too excited just yet -- he still lacks physicality and his rebound rate is flat-out embarrassing for a 7-footer -- but Bargnani had very strong Synergy grades, and his other metrics were substantially less awful than usual.

Last season offered a small sample, but with Bargnani likely to play more at the 4 this season and the tantalizing glimpse he gave us in 2011-12, he could finally be poised for the kind of breakout the Raptors have awaited the past six years.


I'll take John Hollinger's opinion over all you hating morons. OMGZZZZ he suck on defenzzzzze. I never actually seen him play but he's the worst player in the league. Idiots.

The deal sucks for the Knicks bc of the 1st round pick, but Bargnani is no scrub.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:08 PM
Also, for people hating on this trade, can you please propose a better deal the Knicks could have made to improve their team now during the duration of the Melo era?
"No Trade" would have kept them right where they were. If it doesn't work, they can just sit him and deal with it.
Keep in mind they are over the cap and have extremely little trade assets.

The fact they dumped Novak's salary helps his a bit. The pick hurts but they didn't give up much to take a chance. And it won't hurt their cap space come two years from now when nearly every big contract of theirs comes off the books.

ppl hate on NY, that's how you explain it. if SA unloaded two bad contracts and a late 1st for a 27 year old 7 footer who was a 20ppg scorer people would be calling them genius!

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
Amare to the Knicks is like bosh to the heat, except bosh plays better defense and isn't injury prone.

shep33
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
I doubt they play him heavy minutes, I dont think they're expecting too much out of him, just a little more than novak.

See I understand this trade even less if this is the case. Bargs is owed 23 mill over the next 2 years. Might as well have kept Copeland.

I won't kill this completely until I see Bargs play with the Knicks. That being said, he's been awful for a while in Toronto

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
I doubt they play him heavy minutes, I dont think they're expecting too much out of him, just a little more than novak.

You'll probably get a little more than Novak but Bargnani isn't a very good off ball player. Unless the Knicks are going to run plays for him he'll be a huge detractor on his net effectiveness.

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
Bosh overpaid and overrated because of inflated stats from playing in Toronto

Bargs a steal under the same cirumstances.

Lol NY

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
Even better! :laugh2:

lol, you're right. There's gonna be expectations obviously its NY.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Okay, Tyson has to be on the floor for every minute that Bargs is out there.

Andrea averaged 3.7 rpg last year and in his career averages 4.8 rpg.

Woah settle down with those beastly rebounding numbers there!!!

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Amare to the Knicks is like bosh to the heat, except bosh plays better defense and isn't injury prone.

And one is an All-Star while the other is..........not

BradHolt4CYoung
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
The Knicks are screwed. Amare/Bargnani...how can you pair those two up to be your 4s? They prob wont even see the floor once they get tired of their non existent defense, and injury prone-ness. Also remember that Bargnani has a really ****** contract. They were probably better off just resigning JR.

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 07:10 PM
Also, for people hating on this trade, can you please propose a better deal the Knicks could have made to improve their team now during the duration of the Melo era?
"No Trade" would have kept them right where they were. If it doesn't work, they can just sit him and deal with it.
Keep in mind they are over the cap and have extremely little trade assets.

The fact they dumped Novak's salary helps his a bit. The pick hurts but they didn't give up much to take a chance. And it won't hurt their cap space come two years from now when nearly every big contract of theirs comes off the books.

The best part of the trade at least brags has 2 yrs left appose to Novak 3, we can trade Brags as an expiring contract next season If he sucks. Everyone including Amare will be coming off the books in 2015 which is the bigger picture. Brags sucks but Camby and Novak are worse!

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:11 PM
See I understand this trade even less if this is the case. Bargs is owed 23 mill over the next 2 years. Might as well have kept Copeland.

I won't kill this completely until I see Bargs play with the Knicks. That being said, he's been awful for a while in Toronto

But we owe Novak for an extra year, like i said, its not the money its the pick.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:11 PM
And one is an All-Star while the other is..........not

Well that's a different story because amare was one

ChitownBears22
06-30-2013, 07:12 PM
Well that's a different story because amare was one

was, but isn't anymore. Which is what everyone outside of NY knew.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:13 PM
Whatever happened to camby's 36 min per argument? :confused:

GiantsSwaGG
06-30-2013, 07:14 PM
The Knicks are screwed. Amare/Bargnani...how can you pair those two up to be your 4s? They prob wont even see the floor once they get tired of their non existent defense, and injury prone-ness. Also remember that Bargnani has a really ****** contract. They were probably better off just resigning JR.

They can still sign JR

QueensG_718
06-30-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm cool with the trade is the first round pick that bothers me

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 07:14 PM
I'll take John Hollinger's opinion over all you hating morons. OMGZZZZ he suck on defenzzzzze. I never actually seen him play but he's the worst player in the league. Idiots.

The deal sucks for the Knicks bc of the 1st round pick, but Bargnani is no scrub.

Take it from someone who's watched his whole career. Bargnani will make those advanced stats look useless. He just flat out doesn't give a damn about anything besides having the ball in his hands on offence and the team suffers for it. He's so bad on defence it makes me want to cry.

jimm120
06-30-2013, 07:15 PM
The ONLY positive is they got rid of Novak's contract, which still had 3 years left on it.

Bad is that...
1 - I prefer Novak to Bargs.
Neither can rebound and both were PF. Both defenses are putrid. But at least Novak took 1 of the defensive players out of the play cause they needed to STICk to him. In a "bad year", novak shot 43% from 3 point range. Sorry, but I prefer Novak.

2 - Picks given
I feel that Toronto has been looking to send Bargs packing for quite some time now. No Need to add in picks. Especially 1st round picks (even if they'll be late round picks...its still picks we need, especially for any other useful trade).

IMO, that 1 positive does not outweigh the 2 negatives for me. Its a financial decision, not a basketball decision.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:15 PM
Jr clearly performs better during contract years. I wouldn't pay him much if I were the Knicks or any other teams gm

king4day
06-30-2013, 07:17 PM
The best part of the trade at least brags has 2 yrs left appose to Novak 3, we can trade Brags as an expiring contract next season If he sucks. Everyone including Amare will be coming off the books in 2015 which is the bigger picture. Brags sucks but Camby and Novak are worse!

Exactly my point. I know people don't like NY and that's fine. I know people, including myself, don't like Barg's injury situation, defense, and contract, but he has a chance at being what Channing Frye was for Phoenix during our WCF run a few years ago. Double team inside or crowd inside to prevent penetration? The player can now just kick it out to Bargnani for a wide open 3. It's going to force defense's to play more honest which will let melo go to work more.

I def like this move all considering.

AI
06-30-2013, 07:17 PM
The first the Knicks are trading will be a late first rounder (Denver has the right to swap picks that year). We are basically trading two crap role players for a guy who could potentially be a 20 ppg scorer next to Melo and Chandler. I'm ok with this trade as long as long as it's just the '16 pick.

knicksfan42
06-30-2013, 07:18 PM
Let me start off by saying I think Bargs is ****. Now with that said he is better than Steve Novak and Camby barely played due to chronic plantar fasciitis and is likely done, so this is an upgrade player wise. Novak's contract also goes past 2014-15 which is when all our other contracts are off the books and we begin our rebuild with Melo Shumpert and hopefully big name free agents we'll be able to afford. All we are losing is a draft pick which by 2016 will hopefully be very late first round.


Again I don't like Bargs, but he is an upgrade over Novak. I don't want him starting, but replacing Novak in Novak's role he should do better. He is also probably better than any very late 2016 first rounder we would have gotten anyway/

Minus a first rounder this definitely decreases our chances of making other moves though.



The mere fact that Novak's contract goes beyond 2015 makes this worthwhile.

lamzoka
06-30-2013, 07:19 PM
Ujiri owns the knicks.

No... James Dolan owns the Knicks.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:20 PM
Exactly my point. I know people don't like NY and that's fine. I know people, including myself, don't like Barg's injury situation, defense, and contract, but he has a chance at being what Channing Frye was for Phoenix during our WCF run a few years ago. Double team inside or crowd inside to prevent penetration? The player can now just kick it out to Bargnani for a wide open 3. It's going to force defense's to play more honest which will let melo go to work more.

I def like this move all considering.

Agreed, Melo needs shooters around him, and even though Bargs isn't a great defender, he's 7'0 tall and 260. It makes NY bigger. Now Shump can slide to the 2 guard.

Anyway saying this makes NY WORSE is just a NY hater...

I know if the Clips had gotten him for Bledsoe or Butler, I would have thought that made them a lot more dangerous.

I wish ppl could actually discuss things here rather than just having obvious agendas.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:20 PM
Exactly my point. I know people don't like NY and that's fine. I know people, including myself, don't like Barg's injury situation, defense, and contract, but he has a chance at being what Channing Frye was for Phoenix during our WCF run a few years ago. Double team inside or crowd inside to prevent penetration? The player can now just kick it out to Bargnani for a wide open 3. It's going to force defense's to play more honest which will let melo go to work more.

I def like this move all considering.

I'm sure fry rebounded better and had opportunities based on Nash's play. Unless the Knicks pg can do a space jam move and gain magical court iq powers, comparing both situations is just not compatible.

justinnum1
06-30-2013, 07:21 PM
No... James Dolan owns the Knicks.

Sorry to hear.

shep33
06-30-2013, 07:21 PM
But we owe Novak for an extra year, like i said, its not the money its the pick.

Well I guess so. But I just think if he's not going to be used too often, a first round pick, plus a second, still maintains good value in the NBA.

Don't see why they rushed this. Maybe could've gotten something better with a first rounder + second rounder, but who knows

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:22 PM
Who on the Knicks squad resembles Nash's vision? I'm so lost how people think bargs is a good move or will space the floor when ny has no inside presence?

shep33
06-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Quick question... do the Knicks have Copeland's bird rights?

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Well I guess so. But I just think if he's not going to be used too often, a first round pick, plus a second, still maintains good value in the NBA.

Don't see why they rushed this. Maybe could've gotten something better with a first rounder + second rounder, but who knows

No ones going to give much value for a 1st round pick 3 years away that DEN can swap.

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Quick question... do the Knicks have Copeland's bird rights?

not really... we can only match up to the $3.1m MLE

he's likely gone. which brings up another point, they got a Copeland replacement, now they can let Cope go and use the MLE on someone else.

YashBoone
06-30-2013, 07:24 PM
Who on the Knicks squad resembles Nash's vision? I'm so lost how people think bargs is a good move or will space the floor when ny has no inside presence?

Spacing the floor , ie, you have to guard bargnani on the perimeter.... What does that have to do with an isidr presence.

I would love to hear all the people saying this is a horrible trade for the Knicks explain why?

king4day
06-30-2013, 07:24 PM
I'm sure fry rebounded better and had opportunities based on Nash's play. Unless the Knicks pg can do a space jam move and gain magical court iq powers, comparing both situations is just not compatible.

I won't argue there. But Phoenix never had a big that could rebound like Chandler (otherwise there may have been a game 7 against LA after Richardson blew the rebound to Artest :))

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:25 PM
Only positive I see is melo has more room to work if you place bargs in the corner. Everything else is affected negatively.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:26 PM
I won't argue there. But Phoenix never had a big that could rebound like Chandler (otherwise there may have been a game 7 against LS after Richardson blew the rebound to Artest :))

That's true. I'm curious to see how this takes place

ewmania
06-30-2013, 07:26 PM
trade isn't bad. were a playoff team those picks wont mean anything, we have a big who can hit from deep. something we need for space

knicksfan42
06-30-2013, 07:26 PM
Who on the Knicks squad resembles Nash's vision? I'm so lost how people think bargs is a good move or will space the floor when ny has no inside presence?

Bargs sucks, but we are giving up Novak who is literally a worse version of him and Marcus Camby who is done.


We're also getting rid of Novak's contract, the only contract running past 2015 at which point we'll have ZERO dollars on the books and can sign as many free agents we want. Thus our 2016 pick will probably be a very low one. While I don't think Bargs is a good player I do think he's probably better than most players picked late in the first round.

G-Menn!
06-30-2013, 07:27 PM
Bargs sucks, but we are giving up Novak who is literally a worse version of him and Marcus Camby who is done.


We're also getting rid of Novak's contract, the only contract running past 2015 at which point we'll have ZERO dollars on the books and can sign as many free agents we want. Thus our 2016 pick will probably be a very low one. While I don't think Bargs is a good player I do think he's probably better than most players picked late in the first round.

Well said. I agree.

allSUAVE
06-30-2013, 07:28 PM
Masai Ujiri is a genius...bad contract? Just **** the new york teams? Duhh

La11
06-30-2013, 07:29 PM
This is a Great trade for Both TEAMS. Knicks get another scorer and Raptors get draft picks

AYozzy
06-30-2013, 07:30 PM
The Knicks now have only 2 picks until the 2017 draft. great.

bholly
06-30-2013, 07:30 PM
Are people saying they will be worse just because he doesn't stay healthy? Talentwise, this is a good move. Bargnani and Amar'e will never be on the floor at the same time.

Bargnani's D is no worse than Amar'es and he can actually spread the floor with his shooting. NY def improves. It won't be enough to get out of the east but to say they got wose is silly.

A big part of the point is that the best the Knicks were last year was when Melo was at the three and Amar'e was nowhere. It was bad enough when they pushed Melo back to the three to fit Amar'e in, but now they've gone and made that move permanent, and done so by adding a guy who has been a net negative for his whole career. It's just exactly the opposite of what they should've wanted to do.

Also, Bargs' D is worse than Amare's. And the issue isn't just "shooters = spreading the floor = good", it's about fit. Getting another PF who loves working in the mid-range and perimeter isn't going to give the offense more room to work - it's just going to further cramp Melo in the areas he works in, while freeing up the offensively mediocre Tyson Chandler.

It's the opposite of what NYK should be doing. Nothing to do with injuries.

Wade n Fade
06-30-2013, 07:30 PM
Days after the Brooklyn Nets acquired KG/Pierce, the NY Knicks took notice and today they took the headlines back and acquired the 7 foot Italian Spaghetti Flopper Andrea Bargnani.

Oh yes the Knicks are back!

#BargnaniKingOfNY

Haha, such a dumb move. The Bricks just made a move for a 7"0 who cannot rebound, play D, and remain healthy consistently. Have fun playing Efense all season long.

xxplayerxx23
06-30-2013, 07:30 PM
Quick question... do the Knicks have Copeland's bird rights?

Most we can offer is the 3.1 mini Mle

gwrighter
06-30-2013, 07:31 PM
inb4 lock hilarious though.

Swift Game
06-30-2013, 07:32 PM
This is pending league approval

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Wade n Fade
06-30-2013, 07:32 PM
This is such a dumb move, haha. Watching Garbagani for awhile. No D, no rebounds, and no consistent health.

Knick_Fever
06-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Sorry to hear.

:)

nycericanguy
06-30-2013, 07:32 PM
A big part of the point is that the best the Knicks were last year was when Melo was at the three and Amar'e was nowhere. It was bad enough when they pushed Melo back to the three to fit Amar'e in, but now they've gone and made that move permanent, and done so by adding a guy who has been a net negative for his whole career. It's just exactly the opposite of what they should've wanted to do.

Also, Bargs' D is worse than Amare's. And the issue isn't just "shooters = spreading the floor = good", it's about fit. Getting another PF who loves working in the mid-range and perimeter isn't going to give the offense more room to work - it's just going to further cramp Melo in the areas he works in, while freeing up the offensively mediocre Tyson Chandler.

It's the opposite of what NYK should be doing. Nothing to do with injuries.

Stat, Melo & Chandler struggle because they all operate in the paint.

Bargs won't be a problem at all, he's a great guy next to Chandler, and a great guy next to Melo. I don't see how it's not a "fit".

COOLbeans
06-30-2013, 07:33 PM
Haha I didn't realize this was such an exciting move

dolfan720
06-30-2013, 07:33 PM
joke....

xxplayerxx23
06-30-2013, 07:33 PM
I'm not as mad. It's a pick Denver has the right to swap with us anyway. So it will prob be a late pick regardless. Bargs defense and rebounding is horrible but if he can go back to hitting jumpers it could be decent