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PatsSoxKnicks
06-27-2013, 10:42 PM
Disclaimer: Hello Everyone. Welcome to the NBA All-time redraft playoffs. These will be a battle between two made up teams from our host of GM’s in to see who reigns superiority over all of basketball. There is a slight twist in this All-time: each team has a starter from each decade. Please read the write-ups and vote for who you think would win in a 7 game series.

San Diego has HCA. Minutes distribution are in parenthesis.

PG: Tony Parker - 00s (32)/Norm Van Lier 70s (16)/Baron Davis - 00s (0)
SG: Reggie Miller - 90s(38)/ Hal Greer - 50s/60s (10)
SF: James Worthy - 80s (34)/ Caron Butler - 00s(14) /Dennis Scott 90s (0)
PF: Dan Issel - 70s (34)/Terry Cummings 80s (14)
C: Wilt Chamberlain - 60s (38)/ Brad Daugherty - 90s (10)


PG: Tony Parker vs Dave Bing
Parker is one of the quickest PGs in the game right now (although hampered by a hamstring injury in the Finals which limited him) and will be able to use that quickness to his advantage against Bing. Bing is a good defensive player but I'm not sure he has the lateral quickness to guard someone like Tony Parker. Defensively, I believe Parker would be able to stay in front of Bing and turn him into a jump shooter, which is not his strong suit as he was known as being a penetrating type of guard who could get to the hole. Parker will not let that happen in this series. We think this matchup is a big advantage for San Diego.

SG: Reggie Miller vs Sidney Moncrief
As with the last series, Reggie is going to be playing off the ball and doing what he does best, which is shooting. With Tony Parker, Worthy, and Wilt making plays and commanding attention from other defenders, Reggie will be able to get open looks. Reggie running around the perimeter and finding the soft spots in the defense is going to be a major problem for London in this series. Moncrief is a terrific defensive player, he's won multiple DPOY awards and been on multiple All-Defensive Teams. Reggie has faced great defenders many times throughout his career though, and as the 3rd or 4th option here on San Diego versus the 1st option that he was his entire career, it's just going to be impossible to stop Reggie from getting his. He's way too good of a shooter and he's got too many gifted players around him.

SF: James Worthy vs LeBron James
It's impossible to completely shut down LeBron, but you can limit his effectiveness. The key to do that is to take away the paint and force him into jump shots. Lebron has the quickness advantage on Worthy, so we would have Worthy play off of Lebron to encourage him to take more jumpers. Lebron is extremely aggressive however and will force his way to the basket eventually, and we feel Worthy and his 6'9'' frame would make it difficult for Lebron when he does choose to drive. Not to mention, Wilt Chamberlain is the last line of defense and will just make it that much harder for Lebron to finish at the rim. On the other end, Worthy will force Lebron to exert a large amount of energy on defense, which could also be beneficial to our strategy. With a tired Lebron, he will be less likely to drive and would be more likely to settle for jumpers, which is what we want. When he does drive, Worthy has the size to be very disruptive to his finishes at the rim. Lebron is an amazing player but we think we are well-equipped to stop him from being "King James" this series.

PF: Dan Issel vs Dennis Rodman
Issel played in the NBA from '77-'85 with Denver, averaging 21-23 points and 9-10 rebounds per game in his prime and helping lead his team deep into the playoffs on multiple occasions. He will be vital to the floor spacing of our team as he does most of his work on the perimeter. Drawing Rodman out of the paint will allow Wilt more room to operate and will give us better chances of grabbing the offensive board. On the other end, Rodman is pretty much no threat at all offensively. The key for Issel on the defensive end is to rebound since he doesn't have to worry about guarding Rodman much, just to do his best to box him out and limit Rodman's offensive rebounds. Rodman's best asset is his ability create extra possessions, Issel is the more complete basketball player however.

C: Wilt Chamberlain vs Bob McAdoo
I think Wilt would dominate McAdoo. Wilt has a 4 inch height advantage and is just the much stronger player. He will be able to get deep post position all game long and just go to work. London will be forced to send help, which again will just create more open looks for the rest of our team. While McAdoo has no chance at all of stopping Wilt, Wilt should be able to slow down the offfensively gifted McAdoo. This is a major advantage for San Diego and we believe Wilt will be able to bully London down low.

Bench: Van Lier/Greer/Butler/Cummings/Daugherty vs Kerr/Petrovich/Johnson/Griffin/Eaton
Van Lier is a phenomenal defensive player off the bench and will be able to shut down Petrovich when matched up with him. Prime Butler also a good defender will be matched up with Johnson. Daugherty and Cummings are both big men who could score 20 PPG in their primes, so they provide the San Diego frontcourt with the some scoring punch off the bench.

Summary:
Their best player is Lebron, and our strategy for stopping him is to pack the paint and surrender jump shots. London has limited shooting, neither Bing or Moncrief were known for their outside shooting. They'll have to penetrate to score and generally player closer to the basket, so we're hoping to create some spacing issues for them. We think that our potent offense combined with stopping them just enough we'll be able to come out with the win.


PG - Dave Bing (30mpg) / Steve Kerr (14mpg) / Moncrief (4mpg)
SG - Sidney Moncrief (30mpg) / Drazen Petrovic (18mpg) / Joe Johnson (0)
SF - LeBron James (32mpg) / Joe Johnson (16mpg) / Bill Bradley (0)
PF - Dennis Rodman (20mpg) / Bob McAdoo (18mpg) / LeBron James (10mpg)
C - Bob McAdoo (12mpg) / Mark Eaton (26mpg) / Dennis Rodman (10mpg) / Theo Ratliff (0)

London vs. San Diego pits two teams with different styles against each other. One team sacrifices defense for offense and the other team believes elite defense is paramount to success. It’s important that you read the bench and overall sections because for this specific matchup I will be utilizing a new lineup that will exploit their team.

PG – Dave Bing vs. Tony Parker
Ironically, Bing and Parker have similar playing styles but are just from different generations. The differences are that Bing was more successful on an individual level (2x all-nba 1st team) whereas Parker has been more successful in the playoffs. Both are quick slashing point guards who have skills to score and distribute. Bing was a little more prolific than Parker in both aspects as he led the league in scoring and was in the top 10 in apg for 8 out of 9 seasons. I recognize the name value here gives the advantage to my opponent but this is a close matchup and when you factor in that a DPOY like The Squid will be seeing some face time on Parker (and possibly LeBron at the end of games with my closeout lineup) you wonder how many off nights we’ll see in this series from TP…
Advantage: San Diego

SG – Sidney Moncrief vs. Reggie Miller
Moncrief is significantly superior to the overrated Miller in every aspect of the game except for one. He’s the better passer, slasher, ball handler, and on a completely different level as a defender. Miller is a streaky shooter who produces basically nothing if his shot isn’t falling. To me, the advantage here is clear.
Advantage: London

SF – LeBron James vs. James Worthy
Worthy is an athletic wing who thrived running in an uptempo offense with Magic and getting out in transition. Is Tony Parker really capable of being that type of point guard? Is Worthy really going to beat LeBron James down the court in transition? Our elite perimeter defense with LeBron and Moncrief neutralizes the value of someone like James Worthy who is not a true shot creator or floor spacer. Meanwhile, LeBron’s all-around game has finally peaked and he can now help London from perimeter (40% 3pt shooter) and the low block while still being an elite distributor and defender.
Advantage: London

PF – Dennis Rodman vs. Dan Issel (guarded by Bob McAdoo)
The Worm would be part of our rotation on Wilt. Considering the fact that Rodman has spent time on Shaq, he would at least be able to disrupt Wilt for some possessions as in my opinion there has never been a more disruptive defensive player than 2x DPOY Dennis Rodman. Issel was a solid player from the old generation but he peaked in the all offense era of the ABA. I see Rodman having significantly more impact on this series. I’ll explain this further in the overall section.
Advantage: London

C – Bob McAdoo vs. Wilt Chamberlain (guarded by Dennis Rodman and Mark Eaton)
Wilt will see a healthy diet of arguably the greatest shot blocker in NBA History the enormous 7’4-275lbs Mark Eaton. Eaton has set records for blocks per game (5.6 bpg from an entire season) and block percentage. He’s got the size and instincts to body up on Wilt. We will also send doubles from LeBron knowing that Worthy can’t beat us from the perimeter. Meanwhile, Bob McAdoo (along with Wilt) is one of only a few players in NBA History to average over 30ppg. He was a league MVP center who at his prime averaged 35ppg to lead the NBA. McAdoo was not just a volume scorer either as he led the league in TS% at 59%. The problem San Diego has is who do they put on McAdoo? If you put Wilt on him, then he can do exactly what we did in the first round with Tyson Chandler which is pull Wilt away from the basket with his face up game and jump shooting. Then London will have no trouble slicing through that porous perimeter defense of San Diego with Bing/Moncrief/LeBron and feasting at the basket. If they put Issel on him than you’ve wasted Wilt on Rodman. If Wilt tries to play help defense the whole game he’ll end up in foul trouble AND Rodman will get tons of offensive rebounds and putbacks which is EXACTLY his strength as a player. Although they will get more production from the C spot this situation puts San Diego in a tough position.
Advantage: San Diego

Bench – Kerr/Drazen/JoeJohnson/Eaton vs. VanLier/Greer/Butler/Cummings/Daughtery
I’ve removed Blake Griffin from the rotation for this series because this specific opponent provides me a unique opportunity to capitalize on San Diego’s 10 minutes without Wilt. When San Diego subs out Wilt, London will use the following lineup: Kerr-Drazen-JJ-LeBron-Rodman. This lineup is similar to the 2013 Heat’s most productive lineup from this year’s playoffs. With snipers spreading the floor for LeBron (including the #1 and #3 highest percentage 3pt shooters of All-Time), this team would be able to exploit the now soft interior and force defenders to collapse and leave players like Steve Kerr and Drazen Petrovic wide open. Joe Johnson would thrive playing the role of 3rd option and spot-up shooter like he did in Phoenix. I believe this lineup will give San Diego’s bench a lot of difficulty and be a significant advantage for London.
Advantage: London

Overall:
This is another series where London faces a below average defensive team (especially on the perimeter) with one great defender at C. This is where the value of Bob McAdoo’s elite scoring/shooting becomes a huge boost because either Wilt will be pulled away from the basket or he will face the inferior Dan Issel who was not known for his defense! In addition, our best player LeBron James again goes another series without having to face an elite defensive player. Meanwhile, San Diego’s best player will be guarded by TWO former DPOY players (Mark Eaton and Dennis Rodman) and doubled by all-defensive 1st team player LeBron James who can safely leave Worthy without fear of a perimeter threat. It doesn’t get better than that to slow down a franchise player. Factoring in the huge production we expect to get with our bench lineup London should advance to the 2nd round.

PhillyLuver
06-27-2013, 10:58 PM
Let's go SD

PatsSoxKnicks
06-27-2013, 11:30 PM
sticky please

Sadds The Gr8
06-27-2013, 11:55 PM
for the future I think tie-breaker should be # of votes for the people who didn't participate.

I Rock Shaqs
06-28-2013, 12:01 AM
Where is the second team lol

PatsSoxKnicks
06-28-2013, 12:13 AM
Where is the second team lol

:confused: They're both there

KnicksorBust
06-28-2013, 07:53 AM
Defense and spacing are critical aspects of winning teams. This where London proves to hold a significant advantage over San Diego. Not only does London have 3 former DPOY players (Squid-Rodman-Eaton) but these players matchup with San Diego's best scorers. Moncrief will smother Reggie Miller while having his way with him on the other end. Rodman-Eaton will work on Wilt and I can easily send double teams from LeBron because Worthy and Parker are not threats from 3pt. He only has ONE SHOOTER in his entire rotation! Meanwhile I have Kerr-Drazen-Joe Johnson-LeBron-Moncrief who can only hit shots from the perimeter. Hell my center has a better jumpshot than his PG! Another important aspect to realize is just how poor their defense will be. Their only above average defender in the starting lineup is Wilt and during his peak season his Warriors team finished LAST in defense. So any misconception that one man can anchor a team was disproved back in the 60s when Wilt was at his peak and failed to do just that. The Warriors were 9th out of 9 teams in defensive efficiency and he'd have much of those same problems facing a peak LeBron James.

LeBron James just won his 4th MVP and back to back Finals MVP while having a phenomenal title clinching performance where he scored 37 points and hit 5 of 10 threes. He's the most complete player in the world and has been for many seasons. He's going to go down as one of the 5 greatest players of all-time and San Diego has no answer for him. Their best defensive perimeter player is Norm Van Lier and he's their backup PG. Worthy has always had trouble guarding quick players on the perimeter and LeBron would have a HUGE series leading London to victory. Moncrief would also have a huge series guarded by the overrated Reggie Miller.

Thank you for reading and best of luck to my opponent in this sudden death vote!

PhillyLuver
06-28-2013, 11:18 AM
Defense and spacing are critical aspects of winning teams. This where London proves to hold a significant advantage over San Diego. Not only does London have 3 former DPOY players (Squid-Rodman-Eaton) but these players matchup with San Diego's best scorers. Moncrief will smother Reggie Miller while having his way with him on the other end. Rodman-Eaton will work on Wilt and I can easily send double teams from LeBron because Worthy and Parker are not threats from 3pt. He only has ONE SHOOTER in his entire rotation! Meanwhile I have Kerr-Drazen-Joe Johnson-LeBron-Moncrief who can only hit shots from the perimeter. Hell my center has a better jumpshot than his PG! Another important aspect to realize is just how poor their defense will be. Their only above average defender in the starting lineup is Wilt and during his peak season his Warriors team finished LAST in defense. So any misconception that one man can anchor a team was disproved back in the 60s when Wilt was at his peak and failed to do just that. The Warriors were 9th out of 9 teams in defensive efficiency and he'd have much of those same problems facing a peak LeBron James.

LeBron James just won his 4th MVP and back to back Finals MVP while having a phenomenal title clinching performance where he scored 37 points and hit 5 of 10 threes. He's the most complete player in the world and has been for many seasons. He's going to go down as one of the 5 greatest players of all-time and San Diego has no answer for him. Their best defensive perimeter player is Norm Van Lier and he's their backup PG. Worthy has always had trouble guarding quick players on the perimeter and LeBron would have a HUGE series leading London to victory. Moncrief would also have a huge series guarded by the overrated Reggie Miller.

Thank you for reading and best of luck to my opponent in this sudden death vote!

1. This isn't true. Dan Issel made his living as a perimeter big, and his midrange shot was his bread and butter. We specifically drafted him to spread the floor next to Wilt and shoot.

2. Everything I've read about Worthy labels him as a underrated, hardworking defender. You definitely aren't giving him enough credit. Also, let's not forget that this is a SUDDEN DEATH PLAYOFF GAME. He earned the nickname Big Game James by going off in situations just like this one. Thinking about moving LeBron off him to double Wilt is laughable in this situation. Just because Worthy isn't an elite 3pt shooter doesn't mean he isn't an elite scorer who will feast off weak defenders.

KnicksorBust
06-28-2013, 02:17 PM
1. This isn't true. Dan Issel made his living as a perimeter big, and his midrange shot was his bread and butter. We specifically drafted him to spread the floor next to Wilt and shoot.

2. Everything I've read about Worthy labels him as a underrated, hardworking defender. You definitely aren't giving him enough credit. Also, let's not forget that this is a SUDDEN DEATH PLAYOFF GAME. He earned the nickname Big Game James by going off in situations just like this one. Thinking about moving LeBron off him to double Wilt is laughable in this situation. Just because Worthy isn't an elite 3pt shooter doesn't mean he isn't an elite scorer who will feast off weak defenders.

1. If your only response to having limited shooting is that you have a 70s ABA PF/C who can shoot mid-range, then I'm not too worried. Our DPOY defenders and multiple all-nba defensive team players will be able to lock that down.

2. Worthy's strengths were two-fold. He could get out in transition with Magic Johnson and he could bully smaller defenders on the block. Change that to Tony Parker and put LeBron James on him and you ain't seein "big game" anything. You are seeing the same guy that completely fell apart in the 84 finals.

PhillyLuver
06-28-2013, 03:23 PM
1. If your only response to having limited shooting is that you have a 70s ABA PF/C who can shoot mid-range, then I'm not too worried. Our DPOY defenders and multiple all-nba defensive team players will be able to lock that down.

2. Worthy's strengths were two-fold. He could get out in transition with Magic Johnson and he could bully smaller defenders on the block. Change that to Tony Parker and put LeBron James on him and you ain't seein "big game" anything. You are seeing the same guy that completely fell apart in the 84 finals.

1. Issel was successful in the ABA and in the NBA. He is a stretch 4 who can shoot. I'm not saying he will be the difference maker in the series, I'm just proving your claim of me having "one shooter" to be completely wrong.

2. Worthy's most defining moment was 36-16-10 in Game 7 against the Bad Boy Pistons. Those Pistons teams had excellent defenders like Laimbeer and even your boy Rodman. If Worthy could penetrate and dominate in that situation, he will be extremely effective in this series too.

PatsSoxKnicks
06-28-2013, 05:14 PM
If you guys tie again I think Death Star should auto advance to the Finals :D

PhillyLuver
06-28-2013, 05:42 PM
Everyone who voted in this matchup last time, please be sure to cast your vote again

KnicksorBust
06-28-2013, 09:05 PM
1. Issel was successful in the ABA and in the NBA. He is a stretch 4 who can shoot. I'm not saying he will be the difference maker in the series, I'm just proving your claim of me having "one shooter" to be completely wrong.

2. Worthy's most defining moment was 36-16-10 in Game 7 against the Bad Boy Pistons. Those Pistons teams had excellent defenders like Laimbeer and even your boy Rodman. If Worthy could penetrate and dominate in that situation, he will be extremely effective in this series too.

Are you really using a one game sample size to prove how good Worthy is? I could rattle off hundreds of box scores it wouldn't change the fact that LeBron is the toughest small forward to guard in NBA History and one of the best defenders to ever play that position. This is a huge mismatch for San Diego.

Oh and BUMP! London. 1 vote behind! :)

KnicksorBust
06-28-2013, 10:02 PM
Bump

KnicksorBust
06-28-2013, 10:28 PM
I'll keep bumpin it even if it's not lookin good. Go London. :)