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Clippersfan86
06-22-2013, 04:17 PM
Anybody see this? Great stuff. Not too long, only 23 minutes. I miss this guy very much... if only he was willing to accept a lesser role. At 5 years old he became the man of the house and was expected to go to school all day AND make money on the side for his family. Crazy **** man. WTF young Iverson was almost traded to the Clippers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uwaq-B21vo

ArmLaker
06-22-2013, 05:33 PM
Legendary player. Had he not been a nuisance he would've been at least top 20 all-time with a crack at top 10. Another what if scenario....ehh

ThuglifeJ
06-22-2013, 05:45 PM
Legend. Most PSD posters live only in the present tho. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but you wont get much feedback for a magnificent documentary video.

ArmLaker
06-22-2013, 06:01 PM
I am 22 years of age and most certainly acknowledge AI as one of the greatest ever. He was a beast. All heart and great talent. He was that good no joke.

Clippersfan86
06-22-2013, 06:57 PM
When people talk top 5 SG's all time I'm surprised he almost never gets mention. He has one hell of a resume in a relatively short amount of time.

Kobe
Wade
Jordan
Dr J
Iverson?
Big O?

I mean he's on a very small list.

More-Than-Most
06-22-2013, 07:24 PM
It should be titled the life of a Moron

OceanSpray
06-22-2013, 07:26 PM
Iverson is overrated. Give him respect, top 20 player if he at least won one ring. Dude was horrible efficiently.

ArmLaker
06-22-2013, 07:52 PM
AI was better than Wade in his prime. Certainly more skilled and talented but being the headcase that he is was his ultimate downfall. He had it, the potential and everything.

OceanSpray
06-22-2013, 08:18 PM
AI was better than Wade in his prime. Certainly more skilled and talented but being the headcase that he is was his ultimate downfall. He had it, the potential and everything.

Yeah, taking 27 shots a game was the only thing he was good for. No disrespect, but Iverson was just a better scorer. I'm not even sure he was a great defender.

ThuglifeJ
06-22-2013, 08:43 PM
Iverson is overrated. Give him respect, top 20 player if he at least won one ring. Dude was horrible efficiently.

You're overly overrated a lot badly tho

ThuglifeJ
06-22-2013, 08:46 PM
Yeah, taking 27 shots a game was the only thing he was good for. No disrespect, but Iverson was just a better scorer. I'm not even sure he was a great defender.

It's pretty obvious ur just defending your Wade. Which is typical for any Heat fan, nothing new. Iverson was better than Wade. If he had Shaq like your Wade did he would have won with ease. Did he not bring himself to the NBA finals with a average roster? That is something Wade has never done.

Defensively I can't say he was better. Better at steals yes

seikou8
06-22-2013, 08:57 PM
It's pretty obvious ur just defending your Wade. Which is typical for any Heat fan, nothing new. Iverson was better than Wade. If he had Shaq like your Wade did he would have won with ease. Did he not bring himself to the NBA finals with a average roster? That is something Wade has never done.

Defensively I can't say he was better. Better at steals yes maybe he was but now its not even comparison in terms of all time ranking

ThuglifeJ
06-22-2013, 09:00 PM
maybe he was but now its not even comparison in terms of all time ranking

Sure. not in all-time ranking. But we were talking about who was better in prime. Which was AI.

Really rings are what make or break an all-time ranking in mosts eyes. AI never had a shot at a title with the Philly supporting cast he had.

Wade would have been no different if he never had Shaq, Lebron. But he did get them. And they did win. So yes he's higher on the all-time ranking list

Alayla
06-22-2013, 10:32 PM
Anybody see this? Great stuff. Not too long, only 23 minutes. I miss this guy very much... if only he was willing to accept a lesser role. At 5 years old he became the man of the house and was expected to go to school all day AND make money on the side for his family. Crazy **** man. WTF young Iverson was almost traded to the Clippers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uwaq-B21vo

hes been willing too for 2 years

Alayla
06-22-2013, 10:35 PM
When people talk top 5 SG's all time I'm surprised he almost never gets mention. He has one hell of a resume in a relatively short amount of time.

Kobe
Wade
Jordan
Dr J
Iverson?
Big O?

I mean he's on a very small list.

....wth?
it should be more like

Jordan
West
Kobe
Dexler
Iverson
if you where to shoehorn AI into the top 5 witch personally i wouldn't bother at this point mabye a year ago id have aruged it but wade has pretty much eclipsed Iverson now

Alayla
06-22-2013, 10:38 PM
Sure. not in all-time ranking. But we were talking about who was better in prime. Which was AI.

Really rings are what make or break an all-time ranking in mosts eyes. AI never had a shot at a title with the Philly supporting cast he had.

Wade would have been no different if he never had Shaq, Lebron. But he did get them. And they did win. So yes he's higher on the all-time ranking list

i dont know.. Iverson in 2006 2007 (his best year)
or Wade in 2009? i think im taking wade honestly

ThuglifeJ
06-22-2013, 10:48 PM
i dont know.. Iverson in 2006 2007 (his best year)
or Wade in 2009? i think im taking wade honestly

I was thinking more a 2001 or 2002 Iverson.

bagwell368
06-22-2013, 11:00 PM
I am 22 years of age and most certainly acknowledge AI as one of the greatest ever. He was a beast. All heart and great talent. He was that good no joke.

I'm 55 years old and I acknowledge AI as one of the most selfish, divisive players in NBA history. He didn't make his teammates or his team better, just kept pushing himself (a volume shooting ball hog) as the answer.

He was finally unofficially black balled from the NBA when he still had the talent to play, because he wasn't worth the trouble.

/Garbage

SMH!
06-22-2013, 11:17 PM
I'm 55 years old and I acknowledge AI as one of the most selfish, divisive players in NBA history. He didn't make his teammates or his team better, just kept pushing himself (a volume shooting ball hog) as the answer.

He was finally unofficially black balled from the NBA when he still had the talent to play, because he wasn't worth the trouble.

/Garbage

we get it, you hate AI

pd7631
06-22-2013, 11:31 PM
It should be titled the life of a Moron

Sorry, but that title has been reserved for your documentary.

Shkelqim
06-23-2013, 01:14 AM
Lol AI was way too selfish. I met him at the Casino, all he does is curse nd yell.

Bravo95
06-23-2013, 01:28 AM
AI was better than Wade in his prime.
Nah. Cultural icon and one of the most entertaining players in history, but behind Wade and not quite Top 5 SGs.

SMH!
06-23-2013, 01:50 AM
Lol AI was way too selfish. I met him at the Casino, all he does is curse nd yell.

I met him a couple times and he was cool.

More-Than-Most
06-23-2013, 02:18 AM
Sorry, but that title has been reserved for your documentary.

Wow Fella you really put me in my place.

Shkelqim
06-23-2013, 05:29 AM
He was great to watch at one point. He gave the Sixers a chance to win every game. I mean he can score, pass when told atleast 30 times. But, AI tried to constantly portray his way. I wish Pop was his coach, he'd make him into great system player

IndiansFan337
06-23-2013, 09:17 PM
I'm 55 years old and I acknowledge AI as one of the most selfish, divisive players in NBA history. He didn't make his teammates or his team better, just kept pushing himself (a volume shooting ball hog) as the answer.

He was finally unofficially black balled from the NBA when he still had the talent to play, because he wasn't worth the trouble.

This is so true. I was saying this even while he was still in the NBA. The supporting cast in Philly wasn't great, but he didn't help matters. That is why they kept rotating in a #2 scorer because everyone they put next to him wasn't fulfilling their promise, likely due to AI's style of play.

Swashcuff
06-23-2013, 09:19 PM
Sorry, but that title has been reserved for your documentary.

:clap:

Bishnoff
06-23-2013, 09:59 PM
I own "Allen Iverson - The Answer" on DVD. Great look at his early life, high school football career, trouble with the law, college career, and NBA career up until the 2000-01 NBA Finals. The guy was amazing for his height.

Korman12
06-23-2013, 10:03 PM
AI was better than Wade in his prime. Certainly more skilled and talented but being the headcase that he is was his ultimate downfall. He had it, the potential and everything.

I tend to see this a lot being around a lot of Iverson fans and younger-ish basketball fans. He's loved in the easy to understand sense because he was a flat out scorer. But his detraction's are right; not efficient, not good defensively aside from steals. An awesome player that was always bigger than his body, but not better than Wade. Talent and potential (he had tons) don't matter as much if its not executed to its fullest.

Korman12
06-23-2013, 10:09 PM
That aside, the first part of this doc (his media image and how much he was loved) is awesome.

OceanSpray
06-23-2013, 10:35 PM
A.I was just a great defender and scorer. Actually, he wasn't an amazing scorer like some people think he is. He's inefficient and has the mentally that he has to score to win the game. A.I shot 27 shots a game during his prime. Who the hell takes that many shots and can't score 30? He's overrated. Wade is one of the most efficient players of all time. Consistently ranked high in PER and can pass, rebound, defend, and score. Many of you are nostalgic, like I always say. Some of you really think T-Mac>LeBron, which is sad.

Hawkeye15
06-23-2013, 10:51 PM
one of the more popular basketball players ever. Great player, overrated by many, underrated by many.

Korman12
06-23-2013, 11:43 PM
one of the more popular basketball players ever. Great player, overrated by many, underrated by many.

There we go.

Swashcuff
06-24-2013, 12:05 AM
one of the more popular basketball players ever. Great player, overrated by many, underrated by many.

:clap:

3RDASYSTEM
06-24-2013, 12:19 AM
Legendary player. Had he not been a nuisance he would've been at least top 20 all-time with a crack at top 10. Another what if scenario....ehh

What if my ***

he balled from 96-2008 then blackballed in 09' for STUCKEY and then on to CONLEY

2 of the most avg guards of alltime, maybe top 20 alltime most avg

IVERSON is easily in my group of best 15 players to ever do it, easily 20 of the 'best', not top or greatest but the best of the best

if you know anything about bball and have played the game then its a no brainer

what you call nuisance I call rebel, or a person who wouldn't conform, WILT and many others had a nuisance attitude, he was just 7ft and IVERSON was 5'10''

3RDASYSTEM
06-24-2013, 12:56 AM
one of the more popular basketball players ever. Great player, overrated by many, underrated by many.

did his popularity come from the market size or the nba promotion or just him being that good(and basically the avg fan height) ? or maybe the hip hop/urban market helped make him up there with JORDAN and JAMES and SHAQ as far as nba popularity? or was it a little mix of all?

3RDASYSTEM
06-24-2013, 12:57 AM
@HAWK15, a great player is overrated? finally, goes to show you why I say 'greatest' is basically overrating players and IVERSON was cream of the crop one of the best guards in the league day1, after a 34yr old JORDAN who was better than IVERSON at any G spot in 96-97' season?

since when is a player overrated who wins ROY 96-97 season, runner up to SHAQ in 00' MVP,beats out DUNCAN and SHAQ for 01'MVP and has one of the best individual yrs in 05' and in 06' then 12yrs into his career he plays with MELO for 1 full season and he finishes top 3 scorer behind LEBRON and bean and then sent to the bench for the all nba STUCKEY 5 months later and that's overrated? that's called blackballed with no reason

when one of the best young players in the league plays with mckie/snow for 7yrs as a core group you are blackballed in my book

just to think TEBOW sucks in practice but wins nfl games and IVERSON got destroyed by the media for taking the nba game more serious than a actual practice, we talking about practice, not the game not the game he said he would die for, we talking about practice, something TEBOW sucks at and something PHIL told JORDAN during the second 3peat not to even attend or go thru just show up game time and dominate

had IVERSON won rings then I agree he would have been vastly overrated, thank god he didn't win a ring to squash that notion, and thank god that WILT only won 2 to squash the most rings talk, individually the big dipper to the little dipper

individual hardwood unstoppable players in any era

its so funny because I recall my circle always talking about how underrated IVERSON was and im like how? he is one the most unstoppable forces in the league, they kept saying the nba don't promote IVERSON like they should, he was just that good and I didn't understand business and marketing like I do now and they did him no justice, he took and earned it all like he said in past interviews

people don't realize how tiny this guy was, NATE ROBINSON height basically just add 2 inches, just imagine if NATE ROBINSON had to carry that type of load, he cant come close to doing it

it was a curse to be as good as IVERSON was, he was that good since 11th grade in HS both skill wise and athletic wise(natural talent supreme) in football and bball, game film don't lie a bit

he could have went professional in mlb/nba/nfl

OceanSpray
06-24-2013, 01:08 AM
Allen's popularity comes from crossing over Jordan and him being a little dude in a tall league. He was fun to watch and I guess viewers love that.

hidalgo
06-24-2013, 05:04 AM
i wouldn't put Iverson in my top 10 SGs ever, maybe not even top 30. he was a ball hog, & the ball movement stopped when he touched the ball, he shot like 41% usually. brick after brick after brick. i'd gladly take Wade over him. Drexler of course, Dumars, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Mitch Rchmond, Dennis Johnson, T-Mac, Vince Carter, even Sprewell or Allan Houston. i don't like the way Iverson played. too much 1 on 5 hero ball crap. i don't miss his hero ball style, it wasn't very smart or effective, & he wasn't a very good defender at all(steals were ok, but not his individual D)

all that said, he was really quick, & a great slasher, & had a decent jumper & 1 on 1 moves. just too much shooting & hero ball

to anwser a Q above, who was better than Iverson at the guard spot in 96-97. Reggie Miller, Mitch Richmond, Sprewell, Drexler, to name a few (not counting PGs John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Penny Hardaway etc)

Bravo95
06-24-2013, 06:13 AM
His Reebok commercial with Jadakiss and the one with "40 Bars" playing in the background were tough.

EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGr3AJfV1rA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tm-6WtA52Q

rex.reyesiii
06-24-2013, 06:23 AM
Man I just checked the Reebok website, a link there reads(as of this writing/typing) "Shop Allan Iverson gear" LOL who the hell is Allan Iverson? :D

Anyway he looks old in that picture.

http://brand.reebok.com/cdn-1ce1686d4325b57/PageFiles/88047/ai.png

bagwell368
06-24-2013, 06:49 AM
The guy was amazing for his height.

But that's the point. It doesn't matter on the bottom line. The fact he may the greatest 1 on 1 player under 5' 11" all time means nothing in the 5x5 NBA. Given how much he shot and how crappy his FG numbers were, it's clear he shot the ball too much. Hero ball doesn't work at that size. That's one thing AI proved.

bagwell368
06-24-2013, 06:51 AM
if you know anything about bball and have played the game then its a no brainer

AI as a totality on the floor alone isn't even in the top 100 all time, maybe not even 120.

So, wrong.

bagwell368
06-24-2013, 06:54 AM
people don't realize how tiny this guy was, NATE ROBINSON height basically just add 2 inches, just imagine if NATE ROBINSON had to carry that type of load, he cant come close to doing it

Nate Robinson isn't even one of 500 best players in NBA history, so I'm not sure what that comparison buys you.

MagicBucsSox
06-24-2013, 07:55 AM
I rank AI over Wade(wade is a better complete player) for the simple fact AI carried a team to the finals. Sixers were a contender with AI. He played a team that no one else could consistently score Double Digits. Miami was irrelevant w/o Shaq or LeBron. Wade never carried a team far never won w/o a team with another HOF player. That's a fact Miami fans can't accept but it's a fact

SeoulBeatz
06-24-2013, 08:22 AM
I rank AI over Wade(wade is a better complete player) for the simple fact AI carried a team to the finals. Sixers were a contender with AI. He played a team that no one else could consistently score Double Digits. Miami was irrelevant w/o Shaq or LeBron. Wade never carried a team far never won w/o a team with another HOF player. That's a fact Miami fans can't accept but it's a fact

Hold on a sec, A.I had a 35 year old Mutumbo, 33 year old/ one-legged Webber, 33 year old/fat Glenn Robinson, 30 year old Keith Van Horn, and a PRIME Larry Hughes.

It baffles me that he didn't win multiple rings with those guys.

canefandynasty
06-24-2013, 08:59 AM
It's pretty obvious ur just defending your Wade. Which is typical for any Heat fan, nothing new. Iverson was better than Wade. If he had Shaq like your Wade did he would have won with ease. Did he not bring himself to the NBA finals with a average roster? That is something Wade has never done.

Defensively I can't say he was better. Better at steals yes

Iverson was never better than Wade. Wade was by far the better all around player.

Mcdoh
06-24-2013, 09:38 AM
too bad he force his way out of the NBA...

Jarvo
06-24-2013, 10:13 AM
Iverson is overrated. Give him respect, top 20 player if he at least won one ring. Dude was horrible efficiently.

You're joking right?

Jarvo
06-24-2013, 10:20 AM
This is why I hate Iverson threads on here because alot of you just bash him, Yeah he was selfish and all that but he's a Top 5-10 SG of All Time like it or not & Top 20-25 player ever.

Vikingfan84
06-24-2013, 11:20 AM
Coming from a Heat fan, this response is expected.

Iverson was tops in the leagues in steals. He was very good at playing the lanes and aware of what was going to happen next.

Iverson should be in the top 10 names mentioned of all time. He may have a poor swagger, but his game on the court was for real. He was a player that had to do it all if the Sixers were going to win. A majority of his teamates had no ability to put the ball in the basket, asside from Aaron McKie (who was not very consistent) over his early years. He deserves more recognition than he gets for his work done.

Most people who doubt what he has done don't like him for who he is, and don't take his game on the court into focus.

Rivera
06-24-2013, 11:25 AM
It should be titled the life of a Moron

Edit: the joke had been used lol

Rivera
06-24-2013, 11:29 AM
AI as a totality on the floor alone isn't even in the top 100 all time, maybe not even 120.

So, wrong.

:laugh: whatever you say. Your always right

SoFreshNsoClean
06-24-2013, 12:39 PM
This is why I hate Iverson threads on here because alot of you just bash him, Yeah he was selfish and all that but he's a Top 5-10 SG of All Time like it or not & Top 20-25 player ever.

this

pd7631
06-24-2013, 05:48 PM
But that's the point. It doesn't matter on the bottom line. The fact he may the greatest 1 on 1 player under 5' 11" all time means nothing in the 5x5 NBA. Given how much he shot and how crappy his FG numbers were, it's clear he shot the ball too much. Hero ball doesn't work at that size. That's one thing AI proved.

Lol, just because you hate him doesn't make you right. 3 wins from a championship is a lot further than many great players ever got. And if you keep in mind that he did that as THE MAN, not an old timer riding the bench while chasing a championship at the end of his career, and it's even more impressive.

Why can't you get it through your thick skull that AI never had any legitimate help in Philly to win a championship, and yet he still almost got it done?

If anything, Allen Iverson proved to every small player around, that just because you're small in a game of giants, doesn't mean that you can't be MVP, win scoring titles, or compete for a championship. He did all those things, and more.

Bishnoff
06-24-2013, 07:06 PM
But that's the point. It doesn't matter on the bottom line. The fact he may the greatest 1 on 1 player under 5' 11" all time means nothing in the 5x5 NBA. Given how much he shot and how crappy his FG numbers were, it's clear he shot the ball too much. Hero ball doesn't work at that size. That's one thing AI proved.

? Not sure why you quoted me. Can't I appreciate a player who could score at will against guys 6" plus taller than him?