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TestedWest
06-21-2013, 12:21 AM
Discuss.

ChitownBears22
06-21-2013, 12:22 AM
No

Slug3
06-21-2013, 12:22 AM
5 and 6 are more then 2 still.

Hangtime
06-21-2013, 12:24 AM
I say no. But he has plenty of time to rack accolades and championships.

amos1er
06-21-2013, 12:24 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 12:24 AM
Over MJ and Kobe c'mon man Hell no.

ThunderousDemon
06-21-2013, 12:25 AM
Nope.

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 12:25 AM
But Lebron has achieved some remarkable feats stat-wise in sooner time then both. The fact that he has the potential to win more while the other two are finished justifies the claim.

amos1er
06-21-2013, 12:25 AM
The answer is no. Though I'll admit he has a shot to pass Kobe and will never sniff MJ.

zn23
06-21-2013, 12:26 AM
lol of course...

LeBron is top 10.

But he's not greater than Michael.

LayBraun
06-21-2013, 12:26 AM
Over Kobe, yes. MJ, no.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
chill with the MJ talk.

the other half isn't blasphemy tho

sunnyice
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.

and exactly why people cant stand kobe fans. not lakers fans but kobe fans.

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
How is he over Kobe lol.How quickly we just forget that he was doing these same things with a more accomplished resume.

NYMetros
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
5 and 6 are more then 2 still.

Shane Battier has 2 rings. So going by your logic, he is better than Carmelo Anthony who has none.

2 > 0.

sunnyice
06-21-2013, 12:27 AM
Discuss.

Not MJ but Kobe yes.

Pakman
06-21-2013, 12:28 AM
**** no

sunsfan88
06-21-2013, 12:28 AM
Over Kobe, yea. Over Jordan, no.

justinnum1
06-21-2013, 12:28 AM
Kobe for sure. MJ, no way.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 12:28 AM
he passed Kobe. Not even close to passing Jordan yet.

still1ballin
06-21-2013, 12:29 AM
No

The X
06-21-2013, 12:29 AM
he passed Kobe. Not even close to passing Jordan yet.

Do you think he will?

He has plenty of time to do so...

still1ballin
06-21-2013, 12:29 AM
he passed Kobe. Not even close to passing Jordan yet.

:laugh:

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 12:29 AM
I still can't understand how he passed Kobe.Can Someone explain this to me?

ntd
06-21-2013, 12:29 AM
There really is no debate about Lebron vs Kobe...Lebron is better by any metric; PER, shooting %, clutch shooting %, who makes their teammates better, rebounds, assists, etc. He's younger than Kobe but has 4 MVPs to 1 and will likely end in the same ballpark of championships despite habitually having a weaker supporting cast than Kobe. Lebron vs Jordan isn't debatable yet, when Lebron keeps up his current production for another 5-6 years then we can entertain that question. Stats/Efficiency wise they're very close through this point in their careers.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:30 AM
A step in the right direction, but no.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:30 AM
Over Kobe? Yes... Just a flat out all around better and more dominating player who has done more for his teams than Kobe ever did for his.

Over MJ? No... Not yet... But down the line with 2 more championships yes

mngopher35
06-21-2013, 12:30 AM
He has moved right behind Kobe on my list, but still hasn't quite passed him. He has a long ways to go before we mention him with mj though.

Mell413
06-21-2013, 12:30 AM
Yes to Kobe. No to MJ, but his window is still open.

Lesdawg1978
06-21-2013, 12:31 AM
5 and 6 are more then 2 still.

11 is more than 6 but yet, nobody wants to say Bill Russell is better than MJ, right? Right now, the Kobe thing is very debatable. I personally think he's better than Kobe and has been for awhile.

He will never catch MJ no matter what. he can get 7 titles and won't even be close.

ThunderousDemon
06-21-2013, 12:31 AM
:laugh:

:laugh2:

My exact sentiments.

He's always at the helm on these type of things.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 12:32 AM
Do you think he will?

He has plenty of time to do so...

so much needs to go right. So no, I am guessing no.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:32 AM
I still can't understand how he passed Kobe.Can Someone explain this to me?

better per game stats, as many finals mvps, way more regular season mvps, the clear best player in the league for a longer span of time.

the argument for kobe simply rests on longevity at this point. i don't think it's wrong to say kobe still is ranked higher on the all time list, but that's probably only because he's played twice as much basketball as bron.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:32 AM
I still can't understand how he passed Kobe.Can Someone explain this to me?
Lol. Just leave it alone man. If you know,you know. If you watched you know. If you just look at box scores you don't.

amos1er
06-21-2013, 12:32 AM
lol of course...

LeBron is top 10.

But he's not greater than Michael.

Come on bro. Are you serious???

Kobe still has him in rings and longevity. Only thing Lebron has on Kobe is regular season MVP's which don't equate to all that much IMO.

camador22
06-21-2013, 12:33 AM
Over Kobe yes, over MJ not without another 3 titles.

lamzoka
06-21-2013, 12:33 AM
how did lebron pass kobe

5 Rings 2 MVP > 2 Rings 2 MVP

zn23
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
Come on bro. Are you serious???

Kobe still has him in rings and longevity. Only thing Lebron has on Kobe is regular season MVP's which don't equate to all that much IMO.

Yea you're right.... 81 points, 62 pts in 3 quarters, 5 rings, and of course killer mentality.

SteveNash
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
5 and 6 are more then 2 still.

Horry>Jordan>Kobe

??


Shane Battier has 2 rings. So going by your logic, he is better than Carmelo Anthony who has none.

2 > 0.

Battier is better than Carmelo.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
He's ahead of Kobe. Need to do A LOT more to pass MJ.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
He passed Kobe tonight, still far away from MJ.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 12:34 AM
I still can't understand how he passed Kobe.Can Someone explain this to me?

sure

Better stats by a mile. Won 4 times as many MVP's, won as many chips as the man.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:35 AM
Come on bro. Are you serious???

Kobe still has him in rings and longevity. Only thing Lebron has on Kobe is regular season MVP's which don't equate to all that much IMO.

Yes Kobe has the played long factor... James has not played as much but has been better than Kobe ever was and has been the best player in the league for years now.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 12:35 AM
Lol!

ThunderousDemon
06-21-2013, 12:36 AM
How quickly people forget.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:36 AM
i think it's preposterous to suggest he's passed MJ, and i think most heat fans also would agree. a few might not, but they're just your average obnoxious fans.

if you're saying "this is why i hate heat fans", which is a broad a foolish statement for the reasons above, you might be a bit hypocritical if you're a lakers fan. let's not like a lot of you tried to push that narrative after kobe won #4 and #5. right?

both were wrong in doing so, but let's not act like this is new or unique.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 12:36 AM
better per game stats, as many finals mvps, way more regular season mvps, the clear best player in the league for a longer span of time.

the argument for kobe simply rests on longevity at this point. i don't think it's wrong to say kobe still is ranked higher on the all time list, but that's probably only because he's played twice as much basketball as bron.

Kobe's argument died tonight. At the end of their careers, unless Bron gets hit by a truck, only complete Kobephiles will even attempt to put him above.

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 12:37 AM
Lebron passes Kobe with this Finals in terms of legacy, but as a player, he passed Kobe years ago. He's not anywhere close to MJ's legacy yet, but as a player, he's right on his heels.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:37 AM
Kobe's argument died tonight. At the end of their careers, unless Bron gets hit by a truck, only complete Kobephiles will even attempt to put him above.

Yup... Completely on point.

shep33
06-21-2013, 12:37 AM
He has 2.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:38 AM
He has 2.

So Horry------------>Jordan------------->Kobe?

Kobe has had far far better teams and no one player can win without help... Not even Jordan. Give James a prime Shaq and its a wrap

koreancabbage
06-21-2013, 12:39 AM
no, not yet anyways.

give it a couple of years. You can only really tell by the end of their careers.

But having Lebron on your team will give you a chance at the Finals every year for the next 4-6 years. (he's turning 29 in December)

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:39 AM
how did lebron pass kobe

5 Rings 2 MVP > 2 Rings 2 MVP

yeah, but that doesn't tell you much at all about who's actually a better player. just tells you who was on more better teams.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:40 AM
Kobe's argument died tonight. At the end of their careers, unless Bron gets hit by a truck, only complete Kobephiles will even attempt to put him above.

I'm not picking a side here, but I certainly won't say I disagree.

And with time on his side...well, if it's not true now I can't see how it won't eventually be.

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 12:40 AM
Not yet, but I do see Lebron surpassing Kobe eventually. There is no shame in that either. Lebron is a once in a lifetime kind of play with unworldly attributes. As a Kobe fan, I only concern myself with his legacy. What's wrong with Lebron being better? He's arguably the most talented athlete in all of history.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 12:41 AM
Nice to see Bron get his 2nd ring.

Now please wake me up when he gets 5. Or 3 peats.

Thanks.

shep33
06-21-2013, 12:41 AM
So Horry------------>Jordan------------->Kobe?

Kobe has had far far better teams and no one player can win without help... Not even Jordan. Give James a prime Shaq and its a wrap

Bron will pass Kobe. But MJ... not even close yet in my opinion.

Lesdawg1978
06-21-2013, 12:42 AM
how did lebron pass kobe

5 Rings 2 MVP > 2 Rings 2 MVP

(Allow me please.....)

Kobe has 5 rings but you get no credit for being carried when having this discussion. MJ has always carried the load with 6 Finals MVPs. LeBron carried the load in both his wins and Kobe got carried 3 times. In game 7 against Boston, Kobe went like 5-25 or something like that and got bailed out by Gasol and Metta... Bron came through in game 7 tonight.

LeBron is an all around better player than Kobe and that's not even debatable. He just needed some hardware to validate him and he has it now. #GAMEOVER

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:42 AM
I just cant see how everyone can put everything on championships... Just insane and not logical. If it was 1 on 1 I would agree... Tonight James went off and they still almost lost. That says a ton

Gagan136
06-21-2013, 12:42 AM
Why? Why are people arguing that OP asked if hes better than Kobe and Jordan? Its a forum used to discuss. He has not passed Kobe on the all time list yet solely to the fact the Kobe has played more ball, he is well on his way to doing so though, it is a given. As for Jordan, so much has to go right that it almost makes me wanna say no, but hey, just like the ending of game 6 you just never know what could happen. Props to the Heat, the true fans, and LBJ for a clutch performance.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:43 AM
Nice to see Bron get his 2nd ring.

Now please wake me up when he gets 5. Or 3 peats.

Thanks.

You truly think he needs 5 rings to just get in the discussion?

BigBlueCrew
06-21-2013, 12:44 AM
I just cant see how everyone can put everything on championships... Just insane and not logical. If it was 1 on 1 I would agree... Tonight James went off and they still almost lost. That says a ton

not for stat monkeys like you :laugh:

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:44 AM
I get playing longer has merit but so does being the very best in the league year after year. If James was very good I would agree that the playing longer thing is important... Has Kobe ever been as good as James now? No

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 12:44 AM
Nice to see Bron get his 2nd ring.

Now please wake me up when he gets 5. Or 3 peats.

Thanks.

Please do the same when Kobe wins 4 MVP's and doesn't disappear in game 7 of the Finals.

shep33
06-21-2013, 12:45 AM
I just cant see how everyone can put everything on championships... Just insane and not logical. If it was 1 on 1 I would agree... Tonight James went off and they still almost lost. That says a ton

See to me it's also longevity of greatness. That's what makes guys like Duncan, Kobe and Kareem so high up there.

If LBJ gets an unfortunate injury in the next year or two, who knows what can happen.

He's on pace to being in that top 5 of all-time if he keeps this up though.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:45 AM
not for stat monkeys like you :laugh:

When you have to rely on a ton of other guys stats paint the best picture.

lakerboy
06-21-2013, 12:45 AM
For logical Heat fans, this is why we hate "King James"

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:45 AM
(Allow me please.....)

Kobe has 5 rings but you get no credit for being carried when having this discussion. MJ has always carried the load with 6 Finals MVPs. LeBron carried the load in both his wins and Kobe got carried 3 times. In game 7 against Boston, Kobe went like 5-25 or something like that and got bailed out by Gasol and Metta... Bron came through in game 7 tonight.

LeBron is an all around better player than Kobe and that's not even debatable. He just needed some hardware to validate him and he has it now. #GAMEOVER
If you know nothing about basketball you should really go watch some games. If you think that kobe bryant was carried to any of his Rings then please go watch those playoff years. There's nothing wrong with opinions but when you spew ignorance you are ignorant.

bootleg42
06-21-2013, 12:45 AM
Jordan never lost an NBA final. LeBron lost 2.

Jordan got BEAT UP with some of the toughest defenses around. LeBron gets to the line just by being looked at (which opens lanes for him).

During the 90's, no one was debating "who's better, Jordan or (player X)???". It was no question. The last 5 years, and even today, people debate, "who's better, Kobe or LeBron???".

Though Jordan had great role players, he didn't intentionally run to build a super team, because he wanted to beat the other guys (which he did). LeBron didn't.

Jordan can literally say he prevented a whole class of Hall Of Famers from winning titles (Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins). LeBron can't really say that.

I'm not taking anything away from LeBron. This is his decade. If he leaves Miami and goes elsewhere, that team will be a contender. But better than Jordan????? Nope.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:46 AM
I'll bow out because I hate discussions fueled by spur of the moment discussion. Just like I thought the "Tony Parker is hands down the best PG in the NBA" thread a few weeks ago was stupid just because he had a big game and we were prisoners of the moment, this might be too.

shep33
06-21-2013, 12:46 AM
Listen I'm a huge Kobe fan, dude is the heart and soul of the Lakeshow, but if Bron continues on this trend, without a question he'll pass him. MJ is still on a different level in my opinion.

But LBJ when it's all said and done, has a legit shot at top 5 all time. We're talking Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem/Wilt, Russell

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 12:46 AM
5 and 6 are more then 2 still.

Shane Battier has 2 rings. So going by your logic, he is better than Carmelo Anthony who has none.

2 > 0.


I think his logic is a combo of thing including rings. So 5-2 make a difference. Lol

Sly Guy
06-21-2013, 12:47 AM
no and no. But he hasn't hurt his legacy by winning.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:47 AM
Jordan never lost an NBA final. LeBron lost 2.

Jordan got BEAT UP with some of the toughest defenses around. LeBron gets to the line just by being looked at (which opens lanes for him).

During the 90's, no one was debating "who's better, Jordan or (player X)???". It was no question. The last 5 years, and even today, people debate, "who's better, Kobe or LeBron???".

Though Jordan had great role players, he didn't intentionally run to build a super team, because he wanted to beat the other guys (which he did). LeBron didn't.

Jordan can literally say he prevented a who class of Hall Of Famers from winning titles (Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins). LeBron can't really say that.

I'm not taking anything away from LeBron. This is his decade. If he leaves Miami and goes elsewhere, that team will be a contender. But better than Jordan????? Nope.

Great ROLE players? Holy crap Pippen/Rodman and on down the list are just Role players? He had super super teams.

That being said nobody should say and be sincere about him passing Jordan right now. Just silly

BigBlueCrew
06-21-2013, 12:47 AM
no not yet

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:47 AM
Please do the same when Kobe wins 4 MVP's and doesn't disappear in game 7 of the Finals.
Aww bitter celtics fan.

LakerShow
06-21-2013, 12:48 AM
still kobe>lebron.

Knick bag
06-21-2013, 12:49 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.


Dumbest thread of all time.

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 12:49 AM
How quickly people forget.

Don't worry history will be kind to Kobe. Not saying he's going to move up into the top 5 but he'll be held in high regard as opposed to right now.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 12:50 AM
You truly think he needs 5 rings to just get in the discussion?

it's all Kobe fans have man. Are you really blown away by that post?

At the end of the day, Kobe fans who think LeBron hasn't/can't pass him, live off team accomplishments and the fact that at the same age, LeBron takes a complete and utter dump on Kobe.

In 5-10 years, only ridiculous Kobe fans will still think he belongs in the same conversation. Unless, like I said, Bron gets hit by a truck and never plays again.

Demon11
06-21-2013, 12:50 AM
i just cant see how laker fans can put everything on championships... Just insane and not logical. If it was 1 on 1 i would agree... Tonight james went off and they still almost lost. That says a ton

ftfy

BigBlueCrew
06-21-2013, 12:50 AM
Great ROLE players? Holy crap Pippen/Rodman and on down the list are just Role players? He had super super teams.

That being said nobody should say and be sincere about him passing Jordan right now. Just silly

Wasnt this supposed to be a super team??? The Big 3!!! Just because they dont perform to your high standards doesnt make it any less super.

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 12:50 AM
how did lebron pass kobe

5 Rings 2 MVP > 2 Rings 2 MVP

(Allow me please.....)

Kobe has 5 rings but you get no credit for being carried when having this discussion. MJ has always carried the load with 6 Finals MVPs. LeBron carried the load in both his wins and Kobe got carried 3 times. In game 7 against Boston, Kobe went like 5-25 or something like that and got bailed out by Gasol and Metta... Bron came through in game 7 tonight.

LeBron is an all around better player than Kobe and that's not even debatable. He just needed some hardware to validate him and he has it now. #GAMEOVER



And the ignorance starts. 30-7-6 and he got carried uh? Lmao, you lebrites are hilarious.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 12:50 AM
Aww bitter celtics fan.

Cool, now give it a better try to disprove the point I made.

Oh, and Celtics have more championships than the Lakers...

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 12:51 AM
Yeah obviously Lebron will more than likely finish his career ahead of Kobe.I just don't think you can place him ahead of One of the all time greats like Kobe already.I think the fact that Kobe still plays in the league and you guys are seeing Lebron being the better player right now is making some of you guys jump to this conclusion.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:51 AM
Like stated before heat of the moment thread. Bottom line is this arguing is stupid. No one is ever gonna change the others opinion. Regardless of what some of you experts believe everything stated on here is an opinion not fact, no matter what side of the fence you are on.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:52 AM
it's all Kobe fans have man. Are you really blown away by that post?

no, just trying to continue to weed out the people who shy away from discussion from those who actually back up their claims with legit arguments.

BigBlueCrew
06-21-2013, 12:53 AM
When you have to rely on a ton of other guys stats paint the best picture.

This is ridiculous. Basketball of any of the major sports is one game where one guy can take over the entire game. So comparing championships versus how many chances a person had is not that big a deal.

8kobe24
06-21-2013, 12:53 AM
Cool, now give it a better try to disprove the point I made.

Oh, and Celtics have more championships than the Lakers...
lol yeah, in 60's? Stop livin the paaaaaast bruh.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 12:53 AM
Like stated before heat of the moment thread. Bottom line is this arguing is stupid. No one is ever gonna change the others opinion. Regardless of what some of you experts believe everything stated on here is an opinion not fact, no matter what side of the fence you are on.

I've seen a few opinions changed. And if anything is changing from here on out it's changing in one direction and one direction only.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:53 AM
Cool, now give it a better try to disprove the point I made.
Disappeared in a game 7 no had a bad game yes. Made up for it in other ways yes. 15 rebounds, clutch free throws. Everyone shot terribly in that game. Go look up the stats or rewatch it. It was a grinding game 7 it happens. Go look up hits stats for that playoff year and duct tape your mouth.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:53 AM
Wasnt this supposed to be a super team??? The Big 3!!! Just because they dont perform to your high standards doesnt make it any less super.

This is no super team and never was.... They have the best player in the league and 2 very good players while the rest of their team is incomplete or meh.... That is not a super team. The super team crap almost killed them in the playoffs... If This team had any other player besides James they would have fell off the map long ago. Try and put any other play in instead of James and this team would never win. Its not just because Wade and Bosh have become shells of their super selves...Its because they are mediocre to bad in many other areas.

Rego247
06-21-2013, 12:54 AM
No.

nastynice
06-21-2013, 12:54 AM
If lebron retired today, he'd already be at kobe's level. MJ tho, I don't know. MJ is a top tier legend, he's in the mix with magic, kareem, bird, wilt, hakeem, dr j. I don't know if lebron can ever get there, maybe not cuz of his play, but at the end of the day he teamed up with two other stars and they all took pay cuts to win a ring. That's why I don't think he can ever get to that level 1 legendary status. But who knows, I guess time will tell. Also, he's gonna have some good years after this contract expires, who knows where he'll be and what he'll accomplish.

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 12:55 AM
In terms of Jordan, I just can't see Lebron ever surpassing him. When he joined up with Bosh and Wade, that ended the argument for good. Jordan with less talent around him won championships by 3peating twice. Not to mention the far dominant scoring ability and just as good all around except for passing. Also, Jordan was a better defender as well. Lebron will be the closest though to come to Jordan at the end of the day.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:55 AM
This is ridiculous. Basketball of any of the major sports is one game where one guy can take over the entire game. So comparing championships versus how many chances a person had is not that big a deal.

If a guy has 8 championships and another guy has none I would agree... 5-2 is not that big of a difference when you factor in that James is a better player now and has been for years than Kobe ever was

THE GIPPER
06-21-2013, 12:55 AM
Lebron is easily ahead of Kobe at this point.


Jordan is reachable but it'll be really really tough. It's gonna be the Jordan vs. Lebron debate for years and years.

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 12:55 AM
Wasnt this supposed to be a super team??? The Big 3!!! Just because they dont perform to your high standards doesnt make it any less super.

Ppl always want to re-write history.

BigBlueCrew
06-21-2013, 12:55 AM
This is no super team and never was.... They have the best player in the league and 2 very good players while the rest of their team is incomplete or meh.... That is not a super team. The super team crap almost killed them in the playoffs... If This team had any other player besides James they would have fell off the map long ago. Try and put any other play in instead of James and this team would never win. Its not just because Wade and Bosh have become shells of their super selves...Its because they are mediocre to bad in many other areas.

Im only gonna say this and then leave it alone.

It always such a pity party with Lebron fans. :pity:

nastynice
06-21-2013, 12:56 AM
This is no super team and never was.... They have the best player in the league and 2 very good players while the rest of their team is incomplete or meh.... That is not a super team. The super team crap almost killed them in the playoffs... If This team had any other player besides James they would have fell off the map long ago. Try and put any other play in instead of James and this team would never win. Its not just because Wade and Bosh have become shells of their super selves...Its because they are mediocre to bad in many other areas.

They're actually a really good team, I don't know where you're getting any of this from. The first year the big 3 came together it was a bit messy, but now they are a legitimately complete team.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 12:56 AM
Disappeared in a game 7 no had a bad game yes. Made up for it in other ways yes. 15 rebounds, clutch free throws. Everyone shot terribly in that game. Go look up the stats or rewatch it. It was a grinding game 7 it happens. Go look up hits stats for that playoff year and duct tape your mouth.

He still outperformed Kobe's game 7 by a whole bunch against a stronger team.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:57 AM
Cool, now give it a better try to disprove the point I made.

Oh, and Celtics have more championships than the Lakers...
11 in the 12 team era huh. Congrats. How many have you seen them win 2. That's what I thought shut up.

ironkobe
06-21-2013, 12:57 AM
I still can't understand how he passed Kobe.Can Someone explain this to me?James 4 Mvps 2 finials Mvps 2 rings ..Kobe 5 rings 1 mvp 2 finials mvp i think he passed kobe i cant count rings cause its a team game you dont win rings alone

shep33
06-21-2013, 12:57 AM
He'll pass Kobe soon likely, Jordan... still a long ways away

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 12:57 AM
No, he's still not ahead of Kobe and Michael. He hasn't passed Kareem, Wilt, Russell and Magic for that matter. You are leaving off a lot of great players. You must be young and haven't seen those old school guys play before and or studied them.

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 12:58 AM
Disappeared in a game 7 no had a bad game yes. Made up for it in other ways yes. 15 rebounds, clutch free throws. Everyone shot terribly in that game. Go look up the stats or rewatch it. It was a grinding game 7 it happens. Go look up hits stats for that playoff year and duct tape your mouth.

You would be surprised how ppl hold that game against him. I've heard a holes say he didn't deserve that ring and the yr before he was carried by Pau.

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 12:58 AM
No he is not better that Kobe he is one of the most mentally fragile superstars I have ever seen.


Sometimes you come thru, sometimes you run and hide.

How can anyone argue against LBJ being mentally fragile after this series. It's like he as split personality disorder. You don't know if your going to get LeBron or his sister LeBroad.

Great player but to mentally weak to match Kobe or Jordan.

8kobe24
06-21-2013, 12:58 AM
it's all Kobe fans have man. Are you really blown away by that post?

At the end of the day, Kobe fans who think LeBron hasn't/can't pass him, live off team accomplishments and the fact that at the same age, LeBron takes a complete and utter dump on Kobe.

In 5-10 years, only ridiculous Kobe fans will still think he belongs in the same conversation. Unless, like I said, Bron gets hit by a truck and never plays again.

5-10 years lebron will still be stuck at 2. Keep smokin that cheap ish if you think otherwise...You discount Kobe like he done crap lol. Keep smokin that bruh

bootleg42
06-21-2013, 12:58 AM
Jordan never lost an NBA final. LeBron lost 2.

Jordan got BEAT UP with some of the toughest defenses around. LeBron gets to the line just by being looked at (which opens lanes for him).

During the 90's, no one was debating "who's better, Jordan or (player X)???". It was no question. The last 5 years, and even today, people debate, "who's better, Kobe or LeBron???".

Though Jordan had great role players, he didn't intentionally run to build a super team, because he wanted to beat the other guys (which he did). LeBron didn't.

Jordan can literally say he prevented a whole class of Hall Of Famers from winning titles (Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins). LeBron can't really say that.

I'm not taking anything away from LeBron. This is his decade. If he leaves Miami and goes elsewhere, that team will be a contender. But better than Jordan????? Nope.

Great ROLE players? Holy crap Pippen/Rodman and on down the list are just Role players? He had super super teams.

That being said nobody should say and be sincere about him passing Jordan right now. Just silly

Pippen would have NEVER have been a Hall of Famer without Jordan. I'm convinced of that. I know his defense was superb, but again, if he had played for the Cavs during the entire 90's, most of you all here wouldn't care much.

I'll give you that Rodman was a Hall of Famer before joining Jordan. But Jordan won his first 3 rings without Rodman.

Demon11
06-21-2013, 12:59 AM
These threads always turn into Laker fans vs. nba forum. What's the point? The same thing always happens.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 12:59 AM
He still outperformed Kobe's game 7 by a whole bunch against a stronger team.
Lol. You are a bitter celtics fan. None of your players are in the conversation so why are you here? Oh yeah bitter celts fan.

Lesdawg1978
06-21-2013, 12:59 AM
If you know nothing about basketball you should really go watch some games. If you think that kobe bryant was carried to any of his Rings then please go watch those playoff years. There's nothing wrong with opinions but when you spew ignorance you are ignorant.

I know plenty about basketball. Played in college and my uncle played with the 78 Washington Bullets and he's a die hard Lakers fan. That's beside the point though.....

The fact that you couldn't dispute anything I said with facts and had to resort to talking down to me let's me know who the real ignorant person here is. The real issue is that you're mad right now. You wanted the Spurs to when so that we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. They lost though, so take Kobe's weiner out of your mouth and pay attention. I'm not the only one on this board who has agreed with what I have said.

The "Legacy" conversation isn't just about how many rings a player has. If that were the case, Horry and Russell would be better than Jordan. The "Legacy" conversation is about who led the team to the RINGS!!!

Pippen has more rings than Kobe....why don't you hear anything about him being the greatest ever, instead of Kobe? Because everyone (including Scottie) knows who was the driving force behind those titles. I'm a 76ers fan and I witnessed Shaq crush my squad back in the 2001 Finals. If you for 1 minute think Kobe was the reason for those rings that Shaq won MVPs for, you're on Acid.

Now, GTFOH

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 12:59 AM
Lol so now the heat are a complete team? wow

bholly
06-21-2013, 01:00 AM
Haven't read the thread, but I'll weigh in anyway.

He's better now than prime Kobe, but still has more to do to be able to say with any conviction that he had a better career. I expect he'll get there though.

Not close to MJ yet, but could also get there with a LOT more of this.

Demon11
06-21-2013, 01:00 AM
5-10 years lebron will still be stuck at 2. Keep smokin that cheap ish if you think otherwise...You discount Kobe like he done crap lol. Keep smokin that bruh

Not sure how its crazy considering they just won two in a row. You sound like a facebook girl using the phrase "ish", btw.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:00 AM
This is ridiculous. Someone dig up the comments from the game 6 GT with these fanboys crying about how Lebron sucks.

lol, please
06-21-2013, 01:00 AM
Not even close. Foolish to even suggest it. Gabbert will eclipse Montana before lebron even sniffs the soles of Jordan's feet.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 01:01 AM
Honestly I think the spurs are more of a complete team than the heat are.

Riodagoat
06-21-2013, 01:01 AM
This is what I think. If he wins at least a total of 4 before or 3-peats he retires, then I would seriously then consider him to have a case as the GOAT.

DreamShaker
06-21-2013, 01:02 AM
He is not MJ, guys. Just enjoy his own greatness and judge him by his own game.

Hawkeye15
06-21-2013, 01:02 AM
5-10 years lebron will still be stuck at 2. Keep smokin that cheap ish if you think otherwise...You discount Kobe like he done crap lol. Keep smokin that bruh

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Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 01:02 AM
it's all Kobe fans have man. Are you really blown away by that post?

At the end of the day, Kobe fans who think LeBron hasn't/can't pass him, live off team accomplishments and the fact that at the same age, LeBron takes a complete and utter dump on Kobe.

In 5-10 years, only ridiculous Kobe fans will still think he belongs in the same conversation. Unless, like I said, Bron gets hit by a truck and never plays again.

People have opinions bro. When will you accept that? You can call me a Kobephile/ Kobe homer all you like. As of right now in my humble opinion, I don't think Lebron has surpassed Kobe yet. He has not even surpassed Duncan and Shaq yet in terms of career. He will eventually though imo but let it play out first. This is what's so frustrating by some of you. You refuse to respect the opinions of others. I expect more objectivity from a mod.

dodie53
06-21-2013, 01:02 AM
still
MJ > kobe > lebron

Demon11
06-21-2013, 01:03 AM
No, he's still not ahead of Kobe and Michael. He hasn't passed Kareem, Wilt, Russell and Magic for that matter. You are leaving off a lot of great players. You must be young and haven't seen those old school guys play before and or studied them.

And you think Kobe is ahead of Kareem, Wilt, Russel and Magic? GTFO

Demon11
06-21-2013, 01:03 AM
People have opinions bro. When will you accept that? You can call me a Kobephile/ Kobe homer all you like. As of right now in my humble opinion, I don't think Lebron has surpassed Kobe yet. He has not even surpassed Duncan and Shaq yet in terms of career. He will eventually though imo but let it play out first. This is what's so frustrating by some of you. You refuse to respect the opinions of others. I expect more objectivity from a mod.

And you think Kobe is ahead of Duncan and Shaq?

LOLOLOL

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 01:04 AM
11 in the 12 team era huh. Congrats. How many have you seen them win 2. That's what I thought shut up.


Lol. You are a bitter celtics fan. None of your players are in the conversation so why are you here? Oh yeah bitter celts fan.


It isn't like the Lakers won their first five in a weaker era and in a different city, oh wait...

But please, continue to just "weaken" my argument because I'm a fan of a certain team. Biggest cop out to any argument ever.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 01:04 AM
The better question is why do Lebron fans choose to take away from a epic Finals series by bringing up these preposterous scenarios.

Lebron just won back to back rings and the first thing that comes to your mind is Kobe? Really? Whenever Lakers have won their myriad of rings the last thing I'm thinking about is Lebron.

But that's just me....

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 01:04 AM
Lebron has zero chance of passing Michael Jordan. Jordan was 6 for 6 in the finals, James has already lost 2 finals appearances. Michael could do things that other players couldn't do. For example, this was Lebron's greatest scoring output in the finals tonight with 37 pts. Jordan did that on a regular basis and had similar numbers assist wise and rebounding wise. Simply put, Michael was a better basketball player.

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:04 AM
Kobe wasn't THE reason but he played a very valuable position on that team. The problem is his role gets minimized by ppl that hate him. "Oh he didn't really contribute during those yrs. He was just another player on the team." No Kobe wasn't the main factor but he was a factor. I just don't like when ppl refer to him as a role player during those yrs as if he was a guy coming off the bench scoring a couple of points and getting a few stops.

Iron24th
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
Lebron can but he's not there yet

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
The better question is why do Lebron fans choose to take away from a epic Finals series by bringing up these preposterous scenarios.

Lebron just won back to back rings and the first thing that comes to your mind is Kobe? Really? Whenever Lakers have won their myriad of rings the last thing I'm thinking about is Lebron..

Exactly, when LA won back to back, I wasn't thinking about Lebron James. lol

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
I know plenty about basketball. Played in college and my uncle played with the 78 Washington Bullets and he's a die hard Lakers fan. That's beside the point though.....

The fact that you couldn't dispute anything I said with facts and had to resort to talking down to me let's me know who the real ignorant person here is. The real issue is that you're mad right now. You wanted the Spurs to when so that we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. They lost though, so take Kobe's weiner out of your mouth and pay attention. I'm not the only one on this board who has agreed with what I have said.

The "Legacy" conversation isn't just about how many rings a player has. If that were the case, Horry and Russell would be better than Jordan. The "Legacy" conversation is about who led the team to the RINGS!!!

Pippen has more rings than Kobe....why don't you hear anything about him being the greatest ever, instead of Kobe? Because everyone (including Scottie) knows who was the driving force behind those titles. I'm a 76ers fan and I witnessed Shaq crush my squad back in the 2001 Finals. If you for 1 minute think Kobe was the reason for those rings that Shaq won MVPs for, you're on Acid.

Now, GTFOH
Go watch the games. You aren't a laker fan so don't know strategies used in the playoffs with Shaq and kobe. Shaq show in finals kobe show in wcf's. it was match ups. Also you have no credibility, why are you starting off by saying your grandpa played with the bullets and is a laker fan. Wtf? Do you think anyone gives a **** or that makes your thoughts any more valid? Hey my grandpa won the 62 state championship. What a *****

Pakman
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
Lol kobe haters are kobe haters. Cant blame them. Hes ripped countless franchises hearts out over his career. Especially Phoenix, Minnesota, and countless others. Yes in talking to you specific kobe haters. U know who u are.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
Lebron has zero chance of passing Michael Jordan. Jordan was 6 for 6 in the finals, James has already lost 2 finals appearances. Michael could do things that other players couldn't do. For example, this was Lebron's greatest scoring output in the finals tonight with 37 pts. Jordan did that on a regular basis and had similar numbers assist wise and rebounding wise. Simply put, Michael was a better basketball player.

this is silly. Tell me when there was a time that Jordan had a team half as bad as the cavs? Do people not realize how bad that cavs team was?

ManRam
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
How can anyone argue against LBJ being mentally fragile after this series. It's like he as split personality disorder. You don't know if your going to get LeBron or his sister LeBroad.

kobe knew how to do one thing and one thing only: score.

lebron can do anything there is to do on a basketball court...hence the "split personalities". he tries to do what is the best thing depending on the game and circumstance. he was a bit too passive in terms of looking to score at times this series, but his overall impact isn't much less because of that. he was never more than 2 off the team-high in points, rebounds or assists this series...and he's easily the best defender on the court.

sometimes he has to be MJ, sometimes he has to be Magic...and sometimes he mixes between them, and sometimes it doesn't work.

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:05 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.

hes not a lebron fan, he was HATING big time on lebron after game 4, i mean big time. dude is trolling, hes a lebron hater. just look through his posts.

Demon11
06-21-2013, 01:06 AM
Lebron has zero chance of passing Michael Jordan. Jordan was 6 for 6 in the finals, James has already lost 2 finals appearances. Michael could do things that other players couldn't do. For example, this was Lebron's greatest scoring output in the finals tonight with 37 pts. Jordan did that on a regular basis and had similar numbers assist wise and rebounding wise. Simply put, Michael was a better basketball player.

That's a pretty stupid arguement considering Lebron got killed in the first finals he was in and there was nothing he could have done. Should of he just gave up in the conference finals so people like you couldn't judge him with MJ's flawless final record?

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:06 AM
The better question is why do Lebron fans choose to take away from a epic Finals series by bringing up these preposterous scenarios.

Lebron just won back to back rings and the first thing that comes to your mind is Kobe? Really? Whenever Lakers have won their myriad of rings the last thing I'm thinking about is Lebron..

Go on any other board and you will find the same thing. For a guy that many ppl believe is overrated as a player he sure is brought up a lot.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:06 AM
It isn't like the Lakers won their first five in a weaker era and in a different city, oh wait...

But please, continue to just "weaken" my argument because I'm a fan of a certain team. Biggest cop out to any argument ever.
Screw the 5 ill take the 11. Screw your 11 you have 6. Goodbye.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 01:07 AM
i think the 2011 NBA Finals loss is a fair criticism.

the 2007? get the **** out of here. that team with lebron at that stage of his career had no business being in the finals. he got them to overachieve...and then they just ran in to a flat out better team. that's nothing to be ashamed of. that's not a negative on his resume.

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 01:07 AM
And you think Kobe is ahead of Kareem, Wilt, Russel and Magic? GTFO

When did I say that?? I never said Kobe was better than those guys. Re-read what I wrote. I have Kobe around no. 7 or 8 all time.

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:07 AM
The better question is why do Lebron fans choose to take away from a epic Finals series by bringing up these preposterous scenarios.

Lebron just won back to back rings and the first thing that comes to your mind is Kobe? Really? Whenever Lakers have won their myriad of rings the last thing I'm thinking about is Lebron.

But that's just me....

the OP IS NOT A LEBRON FAN, HES TROLLING LLOOK THROUGH HIS POSTS.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-21-2013, 01:08 AM
Screw the 5 ill take the 11. Screw your 11 you have 6. Goodbye.

Cool, the Celtics still have 17 championships.

Anyways, I'm done with this dumb argument.

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 01:09 AM
That's a pretty stupid arguement considering Lebron got killed in the first finals he was in and there was nothing he could have done. Should of he just gave up in the conference finals so people like you couldn't judge him with MJ's flawless final record?

He's not better than Michael Jordan, I understand that hurts your feelings, but it doesn't get around the fact that Michael was better. Lebron losing 2 finals appearances is something Michael never did and is one of the reasons James won't surpass him. There are a myriad of other reasons as well. Jordan has 6 finals mvps, James just got his 2nd. Jordan was the defensive player of the year, won 5 mvps, top 5 all time scoring, 10 scoring titles and so on and so forth. In other words, James has a long way to catch Michael. Thanks for playing though.

FYL_McVeezy
06-21-2013, 01:09 AM
Anyone who says yes to this question is a clear troll and a LBJ homer.....

next...

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 01:09 AM
hes not a lebron fan, he was HATING big time on lebron after game 4, i mean big time. dude is trolling, hes a lebron hater. just look through his posts.

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Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:10 AM
Lol kobe haters are kobe haters. Cant blame them. Hes ripped countless franchises hearts out over his career. Especially Phoenix, Minnesota, and countless others. Yes in talking to you specific kobe haters. U know who u are.
This the fact that he is brought up when their favorite player won a ship really shows their admiration. The fact that they give him no respect yet argue for hours trying to prove he is obviously better is a joke in itself. If he's obviously better then why the need for the discussions?

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 01:10 AM
When did I say that?? I never said Kobe was better than those guys. Re-read what I wrote. I have Kobe around no. 7 or 8 all time.

Unfortunately I can't see Kobe getting higher than this especially after this Achilles injury. Still, it's a privilege for me to have enjoyed his career.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:10 AM
Lol kobe haters are kobe haters. Cant blame them. Hes ripped countless franchises hearts out over his career. Especially Phoenix, Minnesota, and countless others. Yes in talking to you specific kobe haters. U know who u are.
This the fact that he is brought up when their favorite player won a ship really shows their admiration. The fact that they give him no respect yet argue for hours trying to prove he is obviously better is a joke in itself. If he's obviously better then why the need for the discussions?

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 01:11 AM
the OP IS NOT A LEBRON FAN, HES TROLLING LLOOK THROUGH HIS POSTS.

Great

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:11 AM
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what a troll you are, i see what you're trying to do, do you really hate lebron so much that you had to make this horrible thread?

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:12 AM
This is an obvious bait troll thread. C'mon mods.

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 01:13 AM
Anyone who says yes to this question is a clear troll and a LBJ homer.....

next...

Do explain further. I understand the MJ argument but proceed

Sixerlover
06-21-2013, 01:14 AM
Can't compare a 28 year old who just finished his 10th? season to a player that has 17 seasons under his belt (Kobe), and a guy who played out his entire career (MJ). Let LeBron finish out his career, or at least get to the point where he isn't the best guy on a title team so we can look objectively at each career.

But I will say Kobe at 28 vs Lebron at 28.. It isn't in the same ballpark, LeBron by a mile (tough to compare Jordan because he spent some years in college)

--23--
06-21-2013, 01:14 AM
MJ Nope...but another ring and finals MVP probably could push him close or past Kobe tho. But honestly i don't know why people compare Lebron to Jordan or Kobe his game is more like Oscar and Magic, those should be the guys people compare him to.

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 01:15 AM
what a troll you are, i see what you're trying to do, do you really hate lebron so much that you had to make this horrible thread?

This is clearly praising Lebron yet you lack the emotional nerve to realize that. Give it a rest.

nimzboy
06-21-2013, 01:15 AM
How about no Laker fans or Heat fans can reply to this thread. But here is the point for lebron over kobe:
1. Lebron has the same amount of finals mvps as kobe does, and lebron is relativley young so he can win at least 1 more I think.
2. He has 3 more mvps than Kobe
3. He has better stats that kobe in almost everything. Career Wise: 1.Points: Lebron 2.Rebounds: Lebron 3. Assists: Lebron 4. Steals: Lebron 5. Blocks: Lebron 6. T/O Ratio: Kobe 7. Defense: Lebron 8. IQ: Lebron 9. Fg %: Lebron 10. 3 point %: Lebron(by very little, but it will continue to increase) 11. Ft %: Kobe
4. Lebron has had way more memorable games than kobe has
5. Lebron is the king of close out games
6. Lebron is more clutch(these articles dont even include lebrons gw from this year and his clutch shots against the spurs.)
http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time
Now if anyone has a response, which there should be none, please reply.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 01:15 AM
This is an obvious bait troll thread. C'mon mods.

a troll thread?

come on. everyone's gonna be talking about it (fair or not). hell, Magic just brought it up...and it's been brought up already a zillion times by them. and Magic seems to think the answer to this thread could someday be "yes".

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:16 AM
MJ Nope...but another ring and finals MVP probably could push him close or past Kobe tho. But honestly i don't know why people compare Lebron to Jordan or Kobe his game is more like Oscar and Magic, those should be the guys people compare him to.

great post.

TestedWest
06-21-2013, 01:16 AM
This is an obvious bait troll thread. C'mon mods.

Nope. There has been some solid arguments. Contribute or go

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:17 AM
This is clearly praising Lebron yet you lack the emotional nerve to realize that. Give it a rest.

you wan't to get lebron trashed, why compare him to jordan are you nuts!?!?

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 01:21 AM
It isn't like the Lakers won their first five in a weaker era and in a different city, oh wait...

But please, continue to just "weaken" my argument because I'm a fan of a certain team. Biggest cop out to any argument ever.
Weaker era? This era is not exactly strong either.

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 01:24 AM
MJ Nope...but another ring and finals MVP probably could push him close or past Kobe tho. But honestly i don't know why people compare Lebron to Jordan or Kobe his game is more like Oscar and Magic, those should be the guys people compare him to.

I agree. Also, next year, Lebron has the chance to lead a team to the finals four straight years. That's crazy. When the last time that happened?

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 01:25 AM
Since you guys want to throw MJs name out there he only compares one player currently in the league to himself.

.......and it's NOT Lebron. But hey that's just Jordan, what does he know?

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:27 AM
I agree. Also, next year, Lebron has the chance to lead a team to the finals four straight years. That's crazy. When the last time that happened?

With Shaq after the Lakers 3 peated but they ran into the Spurs if I'm not mistaken.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 01:27 AM
Since you guys want to throw MJs name out there he only compares one player currently in the league to himself.

.......and it's NOT Lebron. But hey that's just Jordan, what does he know?

About talent evaluation? Not a whole lot :shrug: I think that's becoming pretty clear.

You can go back and forth on this. What does Magic say? What does Jerry West say? What does Scottie say? Hint: not what you want.

Lesdawg1978
06-21-2013, 01:28 AM
Go watch the games. You aren't a laker fan so don't know strategies used in the playoffs with Shaq and kobe. Shaq show in finals kobe show in wcf's. it was match ups. Also you have no credibility, why are you starting off by saying your grandpa played with the bullets and is a laker fan. Wtf? Do you think anyone gives a **** or that makes your thoughts any more valid? Hey my grandpa won the 62 state championship. What a *****

Grandpa? Strategies? LMAO! Look at you......you're mad right now LOL! :laugh:

But you're a Lakers fan and Phil probably called you to go over the strategies and wanted to know what he should do. You sound like a female with a Tampon stuck in her but it can't stop the bleeding.

I'll just say this.....It took Kobe 82 games just to get a 7th seed in the playoffs. Kobe is home right now watching the Post game shows on ESPN and NBA TV with LeBron on TV. Kobe won't be ready for the start of the year. Kobe's team will suck even more next year. LeBron is being compared to Jordan right now. Nobody on TV is even mentioning Kobe. You wanted and prayed the Spurs would win. They lost and now you have to take Kobe out your mouth, come up for air and come defend him on here.

No more posts from me towards you. You're a hemaphrodite who gets mad too easy because not everyone hangs on Kobe's sack like a monkey hanging on a tree limb the way you do.

LeBron > Kobe

NBA current champion= LeBron James!!!!!!

bucketss
06-21-2013, 01:28 AM
this guy is trying to pit kobe/lebron fans together smh.

ManRam
06-21-2013, 01:29 AM
With Shaq after the Lakers 3 peated but they ran into the Spurs if I'm not mistaken.

They lost in the WCF after their three point...then lost in the Finals the year after.

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 01:29 AM
MJ Nope...but another ring and finals MVP probably could push him close or past Kobe tho. But honestly i don't know why people compare Lebron to Jordan or Kobe his game is more like Oscar and Magic, those should be the guys people compare him to.

Somebody with some logic finally. How do you compare Lebron a 6' 7 260 pound point forward to a couple of 6'6 220 soaking wet SG's? There games are totally different. Compare MJ, Kobe, Wade, Drexler, elgin ect compare Lebron with Magic, oscar, bird, erving ect

It just shows you how the NBA has changed and has wanted so bad for someone to move Kobe over. People forget how dominate and unstoppable he was. 8 straight 40 pt games something Lebron will prob never do, 81 pt game something he will never do, 3 straight 50 pt games something Lebron will possibly never do, 5x champ something that lebron might never do....and lets NOT forget Kobe has been to the Finals 7x. Kobe has been one of the most fierce competitors we have ever seen and one of the most durable who plays through it all. Lets let Lebron play his career out! Lets see what happens to his game when his athleticism leaves him lmao

I think its absurd to say he even sniffs Kobe and Mike but you young pups and this new NBA loves those Lebron nuts so keep eatn them. YOu love his acting and flopping and you love that he will have a "decision" pt 2 aired on NBC in 2014 to chase more rings

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:30 AM
About talent evaluation? Not a whole lot :shrug: I think that's becoming pretty clear.

You can go back and forth on this. What does Magic say? What does Jerry West say? What does Scottie say? Hint: not what you want.

Magic lives in the moment though. Does anyone remember what he said after The Lakers won their fifth. Not saying what he says holds no weight but he has been known to get caught up and then reverse course if it doesn't go the same way he thought it was.

sunsfan88
06-21-2013, 01:30 AM
MJ Nope...but another ring and finals MVP probably could push him close or past Kobe tho. But honestly i don't know why people compare Lebron to Jordan or Kobe his game is more like Oscar and Magic, those should be the guys people compare him to.
Good response. And I think people compare LeBron to Jordan/Kobe because their seen as the best ever to play basketball.

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:31 AM
They lost in the WCF after their three point...then lost in the Finals the year after.

I know what happened I'm a fan of the team He said Lebron had a chance to do it. I brought up Shaq because like Bron he had a chance to do it as well.

nimzboy
06-21-2013, 01:31 AM
Since you guys want to throw MJs name out there he only compares one player currently in the league to himself.

.......and it's NOT Lebron. But hey that's just Jordan, what does he know?
I guess he knows everything right, *cough* kwame brown. *Cough* bismack biyombo *cough* adam morrison.

Wade n Fade
06-21-2013, 01:32 AM
Over Kobe? Yes. Lebron's stats and efficiency destroys Kobe in game 7's. Lebron is among three players to have a finals MVP and regular season MVP in the same season, and he did it twice. MJ is the best ever, but I feel that Lebron has a great chance to surpass him. Kobe is incredibly overrated. Many people just look at rings to decide who is the best. By that logic, Bill Russell is the greatest ever, but most people will not say that since we all agree MJ is the best of all time for now. MJ > Lebron > Wade > Kobe. Duncan > Kobe. Shaq > Kobe.

--23--
06-21-2013, 01:32 AM
I agree. Also, next year, Lebron has the chance to lead a team to the finals four straight years. That's crazy. When the last time that happened?

It haven't happen in my era i that's for sure. The only team to that as far as i know was the Celtics(Bill Russell) back in the 50's-60s'.

Lakersfan2483
06-21-2013, 01:33 AM
Lebron is definitely in the top ten all time now. The question is where he will end up? He has a chance to be one of the five greatest players of all time or even in the top 3. Right now, he still has work to do to surpass Michael, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell and I am not sure if he will ever pass those guys, but that doesn't take anything away from him and his outstanding career.

Iron24th
06-21-2013, 01:35 AM
Over Kobe? Yes. Lebron's stats and efficiency destroys Kobe in game 7's. Lebron is among three players to have a finals MVP and regular season MVP in the same season, and he did it twice. MJ is the best ever, but I feel that Lebron has a great chance to surpass him. Kobe is incredibly overrated. Many people just look at rings to decide who is the best. By that logic, Bill Russell is the greatest ever, but most people will not say that since we all agree MJ is the best of all time for now. MJ > Lebron > Wade > Kobe. Duncan > Kobe. Shaq > Kobe.

Then a hater came...

BigCityofDreams
06-21-2013, 01:36 AM
Wade??? lol please stop it.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 01:39 AM
I guess he knows everything right, *cough* kwame brown. *Cough* bismack biyombo *cough* adam morrison.

Yeah because those players are routinely brought up in the greatest player ever discussions right? Judging draft picks that never played and judging someone's entire career and body of work are the same thing right?

amos1er
06-21-2013, 01:41 AM
better per game stats

Statistics are a subjective argument.


as many finals mvps

Kobe still has more rings


way more regular season mvps

Regular season MVP's is the only thing Lebron has on Kobe. Truthfully, there are about 5 players in any given season you can make an argument to justify being the most valuable player. At the end of the day it's still based off the opinions of a select few. Oh and btw Kobe still has him in MVP shares.


the clear best player in the league for a longer span of time.

Opinion argument. I can easily find a group of people that agree Kobe was the best player in the league for a longer span. Still doesn't amount to anything conclusive.


the argument for kobe simply rests on longevity at this point. i don't think it's wrong to say kobe still is ranked higher on the all time list, but that's probably only because he's played twice as much basketball as bron.

At least you can admit that longevity plays a huge factor. Lebron has a chance to pass Kobe, but to say he already has is completely asinine.

Teeboy1487
06-21-2013, 01:42 AM
They lost in the WCF after their three point...then lost in the Finals the year after.
The Lakers ran into the Spurs in the semifinals that year. I'm still pissed about that series bro. The 2003 WCF was SA and Dallas.

MaloDaw9
06-21-2013, 01:42 AM
As a Laker fan my opinion is biased.

I tip my hat to LBJ and the Heat though, they got it done and thats all that matters.

Shlumpledink
06-21-2013, 01:43 AM
Lebron is still not as good as wade, wade with his 3 championship rings, lebron just can't seem to catch up. Wade seems to always be one ahead of him no matter how much lebron wins.

nimzboy
06-21-2013, 01:44 AM
Yeah because those players are routinely brought up in the greatest player ever discussions right? Judging draft picks that never played and judging someone's entire career and body of work are the same thing right?

Draft picks actually play in college and high school buddy. Im just telling you that Jordan has very poor judgment, a low basketball IQ, and he is also the cockiets player of all time. He is scared to admit that LBJ is better than kobe because sooner or later lebron could become better than himself.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 01:45 AM
Lebron is 2 up and 2 down in the Finals. Good job! In 5 years if he has more jewelry he gets the privilege of being in the Kobe conversation.

Tymathee
06-21-2013, 01:47 AM
LMao ahead of JOrdan or Kobe please, he's only got 2 rings and 2 losses

kobe won 3 before his first loss and jordan never lost. oh and magic went what, 7 -8 times? he's not even top 10 all time.

Tony_Starks
06-21-2013, 01:47 AM
Draft picks actually play in college and high school buddy. Im just telling you that Jordan has very poor judgment, a low basketball IQ, and he is also the cockiets player of all time. He is scared to admit that LBJ is better than kobe because sooner or later lebron could become better than himself.

If you say so man. I'm merely stating what he said. It's not like he's the only player to ever say that.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 01:50 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.

Yup. LeBron fans are the biggest morons on the face of the earth. They can't let the man create his own legacy. Everything is always a comparison to Kobe and Jordan.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:52 AM
Lebron is 2 up and 2 down in the Finals. Good job! In 5 years if he has more jewelry he gets the privilege of being in the Kobe conversation.
Bingo. IMO if you are the GOAT you aren't given a 10 ft cushion to hit wide open jumpers. Congrats because he did hit them today, but lets not forget that they were WIDE OPEN shots. The GOAT does not get a cushion like that in 7 games of an NBA finals series, and if he does series should be over in 4. Lets also not forget he is unarguably the biggest athletic freak we have seen in NBA history, so for all this talk about advantages with teammates and whatsoever I would say that is one of the biggest advantages of all.

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 01:53 AM
Over Kobe? Yes. Lebron's stats and efficiency destroys Kobe in game 7's. Lebron is among three players to have a finals MVP and regular season MVP in the same season, and he did it twice. MJ is the best ever, but I feel that Lebron has a great chance to surpass him. Kobe is incredibly overrated. Many people just look at rings to decide who is the best. By that logic, Bill Russell is the greatest ever, but most people will not say that since we all agree MJ is the best of all time for now. MJ > Lebron > Wade > Kobe. Duncan > Kobe. Shaq > Kobe.


Awwwh but that cuts both ways, Kobe didn't give away 2 games case he was scared either. Kobes mental toughness destroys LBJ's. The fact is great player that he is LBJ is also one of the most mentally fragile and he handed the spurs this series on a platter because if it. Spurs had game 6 won and blew it. But that doesn't Chang the fact that LeBron's fragile mental state is the reason he SHOULD have lost this series.

I will be the first to say LeBron was (last 2 games) and can be at times clutch. But he can also be a scared little girl who runs from big moments/ games. And that why he is not better than Kobe. It's not in him to be better, because he's always going to struggle with his mental toughness ie highs and lows.

Yes he won his team the ship AFTER he tried to give it to the spurs.

And no one can argue this. I give credit where it's due so I would never deny LBJ was clutch in this series, but unlike lebron apologist I also won't deny he was mentally fragile to the point of giving the finals away. For the second time in 3 years.

hidalgo
06-21-2013, 01:55 AM
he's better than Kobe for sure(has been since probably his 2nd year), but not really near Michael Jordan's level

congrats to LeBron James, the master of the NBA.

since Michael left in 1998, the 3 best have been Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, & Lebron James

i have him top 10, & this title took him from number 10, to #9 (ahead of Hakeem Olajuwon)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson (1991 finals, Michael vs Magic, #1 vs #2, gotta love that)
3. Wilt Chamberlin
4. Bill Russell
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Lebron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

Vikingfan84
06-21-2013, 01:56 AM
Discuss.
Close this thread now. Lebron's status will never exceed Kobe and MJ. When you ride ship and don't stick it out with your team, that degrades and chances for Lebron to ever be ahead of Kobe and MJ.

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 01:56 AM
This finals hurt LBJ as much as it helped him. I have never seen a superstar like him. It's to the point where I wonder if he has some kind of mental anxiety disorder he struggles with.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 01:56 AM
he's better than Kobe for sure(has been since probably his 2nd year), but not really near Michael Jordan's level

congrats to LeBron James, the master of the NBA.

since Michael left in 1998, the 3 best have been Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, & Lebron James

i have him top 10, & this title took him from number 10, to #9 (ahead of Hakeem Olajuwon)

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson (1991 finals, Michael vs Magic, #1 vs #2, gotta love that)
3. Wilt Chamberlin
4. Bill Russell
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaqille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Lebron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Be yourself bud. How are you allowed to create dupes? Who have you paid off.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 02:00 AM
LeBron will never be the best ever. Here's why: He can't always be counted on. Some games he's very clutch. Some games, he makes the most bone-headed plays (such as game 6 late in the 4th qtr). You couldn't sit here and think LeBron was going to continue bricking shots with how much room he was given. That was stupid on the Spurs part. But I give credit to LeBron. He stepped up to the challenge and took it home. LeBron may go down as one of the top 5 best players ever because he's too immensely talented to not be. He's got the hardware. But he just doesn't have instinct Jordan had.

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 02:01 AM
Jesus these threads are pathetic. Kobephiles, couldn't you just give the man one ****ing night of respect after one of the greatest Game 7 performances in the history of the NBA? Couldn't you just FOR ONCE show a little humility and at least consider that he might be a better basketball player now than Kobe was at his prime? No. No you can't. Because you're all so incredibly close-minded, you refuse to see history even as it's happening right before your eyes. You're so insanely delusional, I have no idea why I bother wasting my time on you.

You've become caricatures of yourselves tonight. You're a joke that's no longer funny. You're ****ing clown shoes.

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 02:02 AM
If that was prime Duncan and Ginobilli out there we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.Not to take anything away from Lebron or the Heat though.Its just a thought on how these things work.

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 02:04 AM
If that was prime Duncan and Ginobilli out there we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.Not to take anything away from Lebron or the Heat though.Its just a thought on how these things work.

Same could be said with a prime Wade/Allen

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 02:07 AM
LeBron will never be the best ever. Here's why: He can't always be counted on. Some games he's very clutch. Some games, he makes the most bone-headed plays (such as game 6 late in the 4th qtr). You couldn't sit here and think LeBron was going to continue bricking shots with how much room he was given. That was stupid on the Spurs part. But I give credit to LeBron. He stepped up to the challenge and took it home. LeBron may go down as one of the top 5 best players ever because he's too immensely talented to not be. He's got the hardware. But he just doesn't have instinct Jordan had.

You do realize Jordan has had bad games as well

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/401688-mjs-top-10-best-and-best-worst-finals-appearances

mynameismo
06-21-2013, 02:07 AM
Lebron will surpass MJ stat-wise eventually. He's played more games than MJ did when MJ was 28 since Lebron came out of high school. While MJ got drafted at age 21 and also took 2 years off in his prime. Lebron may get 6 rings and MJ will still rank higher than him. MJ was not just great because of what he did, but also how he did it.

With that said, no. At least not yet.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 02:09 AM
You do realize Jordan has had bad games as well

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/401688-mjs-top-10-best-and-best-worst-finals-appearances

Jordan never lost in the Finals. 6-0. NEVER lost. It's not even debatable.

His worst Finals game was when they were up 3-0...

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 02:09 AM
Jesus these threads are pathetic. Kobephiles, couldn't you just give the man one ****ing night of respect after one of the greatest Game 7 performances in the history of the NBA? Couldn't you just FOR ONCE show a little humility and at least consider that he might be a better basketball player now than Kobe was at his prime? No. No you can't. Because you're all so incredibly close-minded, you refuse to see history even as it's happening right before your eyes. You're so insanely delusional, I have no idea why I bother wasting my time on you.

You've become caricatures of yourselves tonight. You're a joke that's no longer funny. You're ****ing clown shoes.

Dude stop whining, lebron handed the spurs the series. With his disappearing act so stop being a lebron jocker do one minute. That this series is exactly why people say he is not better than Kobe. Cause he is mentally fragile. How in the blue hell do you think this series disproved that? You can't even argue it after this. Yes he can be clutch but he is also just as likely to be a spectator hiding in the corner afraid to do anything......ie mentally fragile.

THE GIPPER
06-21-2013, 02:12 AM
Lebron is still not as good as wade, wade with his 3 championship rings, lebron just can't seem to catch up. Wade seems to always be one ahead of him no matter how much lebron wins.

3/10

More-Than-Most
06-21-2013, 02:12 AM
Jordan never lost in the Finals. 6-0. NEVER lost. It's not even debatable.

His worst Finals game was when they were up 3-0...

Again he never had a team half as bad as the cavs team Lebron was on... And again he had some of the best players ever. If this was one on one you would have a point but its not.

nimzboy
06-21-2013, 02:13 AM
Jesus these threads are pathetic. Kobephiles, couldn't you just give the man one ****ing night of respect after one of the greatest Game 7 performances in the history of the NBA? Couldn't you just FOR ONCE show a little humility and at least consider that he might be a better basketball player now than Kobe was at his prime? No. No you can't. Because you're all so incredibly close-minded, you refuse to see history even as it's happening right before your eyes. You're so insanely delusional, I have no idea why I bother wasting my time on you.

You've become caricatures of yourselves tonight. You're a joke that's no longer funny. You're ****ing clown shoes.
This. Thank god the lakers will be irrelevant for years to come.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 02:14 AM
Dude stop whining, lebron handed the spurs the series. With his disappearing act so stop being a lebron jocker do one minute. That this series is exactly why people say he is not better than Kobe. Cause he is mentally fragile. How in the blue hell do you think this series disproved that? You can't even argue it after this. Yes he can be clutch but he is also just as likely to be a spectator hiding in the corner afraid to do anything......ie mentally fragile.

An objective person for once. It's just amazing to think that if Leonard makes the FT or Ray Allen misses the 3, everyone would be bringing up LeBron's choking ways again. This is a big deal in his legacy because he nearly lost another huge elimination game for his team. Pat Riley should be exec of the year for acquiring Ray Allen because that was HUGE.

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:15 AM
Would this even be a conversation if Lebron didnt have the "decision" and bounced out to Wades team with Bosh. I mean has there ever been a more talented team put together? Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Birdman,Lewis, Haslem ect ect i think its sad they go 7 games against the Pacers WITHOUT Granger then go 7 against the Spurs who lets all be honest gave game 6 away. Lebron is a chump people! I know you all love to suck him off but i cant wait to see what all these so called Heat fans say about him when he has holds "The decision part. 2" On ABC in 2014 when he rings chases some more and teams up with a bunch of other all-stars.

Snapshot
06-21-2013, 02:15 AM
*Rings are a TEAM accolade*

INDIVIDUAL trophies on Kobe Bryant and Lebron James' dressers:

Kobe
MVP 1
FMVP 2
Total 3

LBJ
ROY 1
MVP 4
FMVP 2
Total 7

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-507dee67cc8d2.gif

OceanSpray
06-21-2013, 02:15 AM
Kobe: 2 Finals MVP
LBJ: 2 Finals MVP

Not counting the other 3, he was clearly not the best player on that team.

RipCity32
06-21-2013, 02:15 AM
Who would you rather have out there down 2 pts in a game 7 finals with 24 seconds left.Prime Lebron or prime Kobe?I'm taking Kobe everytime.

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 02:16 AM
Dude stop whining, lebron handed the spurs the series. With his disappearing act so stop being a lebron jocker do one minute. That this series is exactly why people say he is not better than Kobe. Cause he is mentally fragile. How in the blue hell do you think this series disproved that? You can't even argue it after this. Yes he can be clutch but he is also just as likely to be a spectator hiding in the corner afraid to do anything......ie mentally fragile.

Learn to spell and to formulate a decent NBA argument, and I'll take you seriously. I do not. You are the worst kind of Kobephile. The kind who not only refuses to accept when Lebron plays well, but has no argument whatsoever beyond extremely vague, inaccurate generalizations such as phrases like "mentally fragile." I'm convinced you didn't even watch this game tonight. No NBA fan with a shred of common sense could have watched this game tonight and called Lebron "mentally fragile."

But seriously, this **** is just so depressing. Why can't you just acknowledge the guy's greatness and say, "congrats on a great game and your second ring"? Why does everything have to be a dick measuring contest and hatred towards a human being you've never met and has never done a thing to you in his entire life? Seriously... This **** tonight isn't just making me lose faith in the decency of this forum, it's making me question the decency of human beings.

Just shut the **** up and let the guy, the team and their fans have their moments. You can still express your blind hatred for the man tomorrow if you want to, you pathetic troglodyte.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 02:16 AM
Again he never had a team half as bad as the cavs team Lebron was on... And again he had some of the best players ever. If this was one on one you would have a point but its not.

This is completely false..but ok

And let's not write off Wade now. No matter how much his game has fallen off, LeBron would have zero rings without him. Wade will be a HOFer.

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 02:18 AM
This is completely false..but ok

And let's not write off Wade now. No matter how much his game has fallen off, LeBron would have zero rings without him. Wade will be a HOFer.

Kobe would have zero rings without Shaq and Pau. Michael would have zero rings without Pippen, Grant and Rodman. What's your point?

Snapshot
06-21-2013, 02:18 AM
Put Mr. Clutch, Kobe 'Bean' Bryant in the MOST CLUTCH situation an NBA player can be in, an NBA Finals game 7...he'll give u 23 on 6-24 shooting...sad.

Put Lebron 'The King' James aka 'LeCHOKE' in the same situation...he'll give you 37 on 12-23 shootin...word.

DaBear
06-21-2013, 02:20 AM
Kobe would have zero rings without Shaq and Pau. Michael would have zero rings without Pippen, Grant and Rodman. What's your point?

My point is don't downplay the amazing supporting cast LeBron has by saying Jordan had some of the greatest players ever.

odiz
06-21-2013, 02:21 AM
Over Kobe maybe, that discussion at least has some merit to it. But MJ won 6 titles and 6 Finals MVPs which is 3 times more then 2 by my count.

The goods
06-21-2013, 02:23 AM
This thread is exactly why people can't stand Lebron fans.

Exactly and the reason you won't be able to watch ESPN for the next month.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:23 AM
Kobe would have zero rings without Shaq and Pau. Michael would have zero rings without Pippen, Grant and Rodman. What's your point?
You do realize that it was a Lebron fan that started this dumb thread right? What I don't understand is why Lebron fans, instead of enjoying HIS moment start a thread with other players names in it. When the Lakers won their championships the furthest thing from my mind was another team or player yet you have this. The comparing and stupidity goes both ways.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:24 AM
Put Mr. Clutch, Kobe 'Bean' Bryant in the MOST CLUTCH situation an NBA player can be in, an NBA Finals game 7...he'll give u 23 on 6-24 shooting...sad.

Put Lebron 'The King' James aka 'LeCHOKE' in the same situation...he'll give you 37 on 12-23 shootin...word.
Nice cherry picked stats. Congratulate yourself.

stawka
06-21-2013, 02:25 AM
Over Kobe, I'd say yes. Over MJ, not yet. If he wins two more titles I'd put him 1A/1B with MJ. He doesn't need 6 rings to get there, you people need to get over that ****

hidalgo
06-21-2013, 02:25 AM
Who would you rather have out there down 2 pts in a game 7 finals with 24 seconds left.Prime Lebron or prime Kobe?I'm taking Kobe everytime.i'm taking LeBron every time, twice on sunday, Kobe shoots 34% in finals closeout games, efff all that. LeBron is becoming legendary for these bigtime closeout games, & game 7s in general. the way he closed tonight dwarfs any finals game Kobe played by far

naps
06-21-2013, 02:26 AM
Discuss.

You're trolling because you added MJ on that. How on earth has he surpassed MJ?

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:26 AM
Put Mr. Clutch, Kobe 'Bean' Bryant in the MOST CLUTCH situation an NBA player can be in, an NBA Finals game 7...he'll give u 23 on 6-24 shooting...sad.

Put Lebron 'The King' James aka 'LeCHOKE' in the same situation...he'll give you 37 on 12-23 shootin...word.
Also why is 'bean' like that. That's his middle name. Also do you always refer to other men as KIng?

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:28 AM
Kobe 17 Years....1 Team......81 pt game............7 Finals Appearances.........5 Championships........2 Finals MVP........8 straight 40 point games........3 straight 50 pt games.........16 time all-star.........dont even want to start naming all the 1st team defense and all nba awards.........multiple golds medals

Lebron 10 years.............2 teams...............couldnt get it done on HIS team.............Teamed up with all stars.....4 Finals appearances.......2 championships.......tripple double monster and athletic freak. If it wasnt for the Spurs complete meltdown in game 6 people would still say he is ahead of Kobe and Mike lol and thats because these new kids and the new style NBA loves their Lebron and there acting and flopping , they all forget how great Kobe and Mike were. Mike played his whole career in the NBA when it was a mans game and Kobe played MOST of his career in the mans game. When flagrant 2's were just hard fouls, when you could play defense and flopping and complete act jobs were frowned apon. The NBA needs to go back to the old school days

naps
06-21-2013, 02:28 AM
YEAH, I am certain that you are a troll. All your threads were about Heat (http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/search.php?searchid=326624) and they were all negative.

OceanSpray
06-21-2013, 02:29 AM
LeBron is the greatest game 7 player, ever. If he's choking, why would that be? Oh yeah, two of the greatest clutch players; Jerry West/Jordan are on that list of greatest game 7 performers.

naps
06-21-2013, 02:29 AM
That being said yes he's over Kobe. And has a chance to catch MJ but I think he'll finish more realistically at #2 when it's all said and done.

hidalgo
06-21-2013, 02:29 AM
Put Mr. Clutch, Kobe 'Bean' Bryant in the MOST CLUTCH situation an NBA player can be in, an NBA Finals game 7...he'll give u 23 on 6-24 shooting...sad.

Put Lebron 'The King' James aka 'LeCHOKE' in the same situation...he'll give you 37 on 12-23 shootin...word.check & mate

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 02:30 AM
You do realize that it was a Lebron fan that started this dumb thread right? What I don't understand is why Lebron fans, instead of enjoying HIS moment start a thread with other players names in it. When the Lakers won their championships the furthest thing from my mind was another team or player yet you have this. The comparing and stupidity goes both ways.

It's the nature of fans to discuss legacies after a player completes a great performance, ESPECIALLY in the NBA, where players are scrutinized by every move they make and their legacies are weighed all the time. Hell, I even said before this season that I thought Lebron's legacy was right behind Kobe, but he's surpass him with a ring and an MVP. He did exactly that, so I think this is the perfect time to discuss it.

The MJ comment is a little ridiculous, but as a player, he's not that far behind MJ. He's just miles behind him on the resume side of the discussion.

hidalgo
06-21-2013, 02:30 AM
That being said yes he's over Kobe. And has a chance to catch MJ but I think he'll finish more realistically at #2 when it's all said and done.over Magic? ehhh man that's gonna be a nightmare to pull of, but i guess possible...

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:31 AM
LeBron is the greatest game 7 player, ever. If he's choking, why would that be? Oh yeah, two of the greatest clutch players; Jerry West/Jordan are on that list of greatest game 7 performers.
Didn't you just say yesterday Lebron sucks? You are a special kind of bandwagon fan.

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:31 AM
over Magic? ehhh man that's gonna be a nightmare to pull of, but i guess possible...
Be yourself. How are you allowed dupe accounts? You should really just be yourself man.

naps
06-21-2013, 02:32 AM
over Magic? ehhh man that's gonna be a nightmare to pull of, but i guess possible...

Absolutely, Why would that be a nightmare to pull of? Guy already has 2 rings, 2 finals MVP, 4 MVPs. crazy statistical dominance, and crazy defense which Magic was never known for. And he's only 28.

LoveMeOrHateMe
06-21-2013, 02:32 AM
Not yet, one more championship and he'll be right up there with Kobe he's still 3-5 spots down. 2 and he'll pass Kobe but he won't ever pass MJ

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 02:33 AM
Dude stop whining, lebron handed the spurs the series. With his disappearing act so stop being a lebron jocker do one minute. That this series is exactly why people say he is not better than Kobe. Cause he is mentally fragile. How in the blue hell do you think this series disproved that? You can't even argue it after this. Yes he can be clutch but he is also just as likely to be a spectator hiding in the corner afraid to do anything......ie mentally fragile.

Learn to spell and to formulate a decent NBA argument, and I'll take you seriously. I do not. You are the worst kind of Kobephile. The kind who not only refuses to accept when Lebron plays well, but has no argument whatsoever beyond extremely vague, inaccurate generalizations such as phrases like "mentally fragile." I'm convinced you didn't even watch this game tonight. No NBA fan with a shred of common sense could have watched this game tonight and called Lebron "mentally fragile."

But seriously, this **** is just so depressing. Why can't you just acknowledge the guy's greatness and say, "congrats on a great game and your second ring"? Why does everything have to be a dick measuring contest and hatred towards a human being you've never met and has never done a thing to you in his entire life? Seriously... This **** tonight isn't just making me lose faith in the decency of this forum, it's making me question the decency of human beings.

Just shut the **** up and let the guy, the team and their fans have their moments. You can still express your blind hatred for the man tomorrow if you want to, you pathetic troglodyte.

Lmao! And yet you made a point of saying THE GAME TONIGHT. And could not argue my point. Lol

What about the OTHER GAMES mr objective? Oh thats right your the BIGGEST lebrite on here so we can't talk about those. This thread is about who is better. SO PROOF HIS FRAGLIE MENTALLITY F'ING COUNTS TOO. Get of his jock for 5 mins and try to be objective.

Oh an why do you whine about spelling whenever you get butt hurt. I'm on my phone get over it. Lol, talk about mentally fragile no wonder you like lebron so much. Lol

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:34 AM
It's the nature of fans to discuss legacies after a player completes a great performance, ESPECIALLY in the NBA, where players are scrutinized by every move they make and their legacies are weighed all the time. Hell, I even said before this season that I thought Lebron's legacy was right behind Kobe, but he's surpass him with a ring and an MVP. He did exactly that, so I think this is the perfect time to discuss it.

The MJ comment is a little ridiculous, but as a player, he's not that far behind MJ. He's just miles behind him on the resume side of the discussion.
So you don't think it's trolling huh? You say let the man have his night I agree but why bring other men into the conversation right away. It's to troll. Everyone knows what happens from these threads.

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:34 AM
Kobe 5-7 in Finals

Lebron 2-4 in Finals

Im no math expert but i THINK one is around 72% and the other is around 50% in the BIG games. Lets also not forget Game 6 and how all you Lebron lovers were crying cause he lost but with 20 sedonds to go the spurs handed the game away so Lebron got his game 7. Lebron prob should be 1-4 in the Finals but he is lucky Leanard missed a FT and Ray Allen saved his *** on a prayer.

Seriously.....when Lebron moves on to team up with a new batch of all-stars to ring chase will you all give him another pass lmao

LoveMeOrHateMe
06-21-2013, 02:35 AM
That being said yes he's over Kobe. And has a chance to catch MJ but I think he'll finish more realistically at #2 when it's all said and done.

He still needs more to surpass Kobe 1 championship will put him on par with him

naps
06-21-2013, 02:36 AM
Not yet, one more championship and he'll be right up there with Kobe he's still 3-5 spots down. 2 and he'll pass Kobe but he won't ever pass MJ

LOL at this guy. I want you to make a case for Kobe over LeBron.

jayjay33
06-21-2013, 02:37 AM
But he let out the part where Kobe took that same game over, brought his team back from behind and won the game.

Game, set, match. Lol

Purple_n_Gold
06-21-2013, 02:40 AM
LOL at this guy. I want you to make a case for Kobe over LeBron.
We are all curious where you were at in these forums for game 6 before the fourth qtr? Now you are a brave peacock.

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:40 AM
I cant wait for the Decision part 2!!! Curious who Lebron teams up with next and how the so called heat fans and Lebron lovers defend that. Does he get another pass lmao

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:40 AM
Lmao +1

Iron24th
06-21-2013, 02:41 AM
Kobe 17 Years....1 Team......81 pt game............7 Finals Appearances.........5 Championships........2 Finals MVP........8 straight 40 point games........3 straight 50 pt games.........16 time all-star.........dont even want to start naming all the 1st team defense and all nba awards.........multiple golds medals

Lebron 10 years.............2 teams...............couldnt get it done on HIS team.............Teamed up with all stars.....4 Finals appearances.......2 championships.......tripple double monster and athletic freak. If it wasnt for the Spurs complete meltdown in game 6 people would still say he is ahead of Kobe and Mike lol and thats because these new kids and the new style NBA loves their Lebron and there acting and flopping , they all forget how great Kobe and Mike were. Mike played his whole career in the NBA when it was a mans game and Kobe played MOST of his career in the mans game. When flagrant 2's were just hard fouls, when you could play defense and flopping and complete act jobs were frowned apon. The NBA needs to go back to the old school days

:clap:

Iron24th
06-21-2013, 02:42 AM
I cant wait for the Decision part 2!!! Curious who Lebron teams up with next and how the so called heat fans and Lebron lovers defend that. Does he get another pass lmao

It depend on who wins the 2014 championship

NFLNBA
06-21-2013, 02:42 AM
We are all curious where you were at in these forums for game 6 before the fourth qtr? Now you are a brave peacock.

He was prob trying to get back in the arena!!!! LMAO

ntd
06-21-2013, 02:43 AM
Can you guys quit with the Kobe has 5 championships to Lebron's 2 please? A) Lebron is only 28, B) Lebron didn't play with Shaq at his prime or Phil Jackson as his coach, C) Derek Fisher has 5 championships too. Kobe won 2 championships as the best player on his team, and all of his championship teams have had better supporting casts than any team Lebron has been on. Lebron has 4 MVPs, better statistics is literally every category in the regular season, the postseason, in "clutch" situations, the same number of finals MVPs, and he's still only 28. Lebron is a massively better player than Kobe ever was and he has been for a number of years.

naps
06-21-2013, 02:43 AM
We are all curious where you were at in these forums for game 6 before the fourth qtr? Now you are a brave peacock.

You sound bitter! I was right here. I just don't spend much time here like you nerds when the game is going on. I like to enjoy game on TV instead of wasting my moments on a forum when the greatness has been made. Now, make a case for Kobe over LeBron, the reason why you quoted my post. C'mon!

static_inferno
06-21-2013, 02:44 AM
No.