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B'sCeltsPatsSox
06-19-2013, 09:38 PM
Disclaimer: Hello Everyone. Welcome to the NBA All-time redraft playoffs. These will be a battle between two made up teams from our host of GM’s in to see who reigns superiority over all of basketball. Please read the write-ups and vote for who you would win in a 7 game series.
Newport Beach has HCA



Originally Posted by Mightybosstone[B
Newport Beach Write-up[/B]

PG Steve Nash (34) / Mark Jackson (14) / Calvin Murphy
SG Jamaal Wilkes (24) / Allan Houston (24) / Rolando Blackman
SF Billy "The Kangaroo Kid" Cunningham (30) / Tayshaun Prince (12) / Jamaal Wilkes (6)
PF Tim Duncan (30) / Tayshaun Prince (10) / Joakim Noah (8) / Michael Cage
C Robert "The Chief" Parish (32) / Tim Duncan (10) / Joakim Noah (6)

I’ll preface all of this by saying Chronz did a hell of a job building his team, and we could not be facing a more evenly matched first round opponent. That being said, somebody has to win this matchup, and here’s why:

Offensively
So much of what our squad does offensively will be predicated on Steve Nash’s playmaking ability. Off of every rebound, we’ll be looking to push offensively with athletic wings like Jamaal Wilkes and “Kangaroo Kid” Billy Cunningham as his running mates, both notoriously athletic transition players with excellent mid-range jumpers. If their defense picks up the transition game, the main offensive threats will be the Nash pick and roll with Duncan or Parish. Both are excellent offensive bigs with great hands and range out to 18 feet. Their ability to stretch the floor with also pull KG and Thurman from the paint, providing more space for Nash, Wilkes, Cunningham and bench wings to penetrate. Duncan and Parish can also manufacture points with their backs to the basket in the low post, and if Payton moves to double one of them, he leaves one of the greatest 3-point shooters in NBA history open on the perimeter. Prince and Houston will also be key off the bench, as their excellent 3-point shooting (37% and 40% career averages, respectively) will provide perimeter options for Nash and Mark Jackson. Duncan’s excellent passing out of the post (career 16.5% AST%) will also be key to the team’s ball movement, as will the penetration and playmaking of Cunningham (ABA MVP in 73, 21.2 PPG, 17.6% AST%), who will be defended by a terrible defender in Chris Mullin (career 110 DRtg). Every player in our starting five can hit a jumper out to 18 feet, and there’s plenty of 3-point shooting to go around between Nash, Houston, Prince and Blackman. When Nash is on the floor, Jackson (3rd all-time in assists), can step in fairly easily to fill his playmaking shoes, while providing stellar defense on Payton or Rose.

Defensively

There are two key advantages on this side of the ball: Parish and Wilkes. KG’s mid-range jumper and versatile offensive game will keep Duncan out of the paint, although the 14-time All-Defensive big man will certainly have an impact on that end with his athleticism and near perfect fundamentals. But Thurmond’s offensive deficiencies (career 47% TS%) will allow Parish to hang around the rim to bother shots in the paint (11th all-time shot blocker) and pound the glass (8th all-time rebounder). The length of Wilkes will also be key, as he’ll be guarding Mullin on the perimeter rather than Walker, who will be defended by Cunningham (former teammates in Philly). A two-time All-Defensive player and one of the best perimeter defenders of the 70s, Wilkes has length and defensive chops to help out on penetrators like Payton and still get back on Mullins when he’s open on the perimeter. Prince(four-time All-Defense) has a similar advantage guarding perimeter shooters, while also providing the versatility to guard opposing 4s. And Noah will play a key role defensively when he comes in for Duncan or Parish, pounding the glass and playing excellent help defense. Nash on Payton seems like a disadvantage on this end of the floor, but when you consider the length of our squad and the defensive chops of guys like Duncan, Wilkes, Noah, Parish and Prince (combined 22 All-Defensive teams), he’ll never have a clear path to the basket, and we’re not concerned about him getting open beyond the arc (career 31.7% 3-point shooter). It’s also worth noting that our squad possesses excellent shot blockers and rebounders, with two 7-footers who will not allow easy baskets around the rim or second chance opportunities.


Why We’ll Win

There’s a number of reasons why our squad will win this match-up, but it all begins with postseason dominance. In addition to a combined 5 MVPs, our starters earned a combined 12 rings, and Nash may be ringless, but he’s notorious for big playoff moments. By comparison, Mos Eisley’s starters(who have 0 combined MVPs) earned a combined 3 rings (one of which was Payton’s as a role player with the Heat). And it’s not a coincidence those guys didn’t win more titles. Garnett’s Wolves were crushed twice by Duncan’s Spurs in the playoffs, and he was hardly viewed as a stellar postseason performer prior to joining Boston. And Payton’s postseason numbers (14/5/4 with a 15.4 PER, .098 WS/48) are totally pedestrian compared to his regular season stats. In terms of on-the-court reasons, Mos Eisley lacks great spacing offensively, and their defensive advantage is not nearly as much of an advantage as it seems. Mullins is their only great shooter in the starting five, and Thurmond will have to live around the basket to be effective. Their only decent advantage lies in Payton’s defense on Nash, but that strength is seriously overrated as head-to-head matchups in their careers prove otherwise. In 31 career games, Nash averaged 16.7/8.4/3.2 per 36 minutes on .470/.450/.930 shooting percentages against Payton. Does that look like Payton shut him down? Mos Eisley’s bench back court seems sexy on paper, but they won’t get enough minutes to have a huge impact, they won’t be nearly as effective driving the lane against our interior defense and they’re both ball dominant guards who would not play nicely together.

Our team has better crunch time scorers, better postseason performers, a more fluid offensive attack and just more talent overall, which is why it will eventually prevail in a hard-fought series. Newport Beach in 6.








Mos Eisley Write-up

PG Gary Payton (34) / Derrick Rose (14)
SG Chet Walker (30) / James Harden (18) / Woolridge (0)
SF Chris Mullin (30) / George McGinnis (12) / Horry (6)
PF Kevin Garnett (36) / Robert Horry (10) / Antonio McDyess (2)
C Nate Thurmond (32) / Antonio McDyess (10) / Joe Barry Carroll (2)



Originally Posted by Chronz
Pregame thoughts:
This matchup is the culmination of 2 similar minded teams who arrived at radically different gameplans, battling it out for glory. To explain you have to look at our draft choices:
Tim Duncan was followed by Kevin Garnett, Gary Payton came before Nash. With our 3rd pick, we both decided to bolster the frontline by giving our star big a partner in the paint (Parish vs Nate Thurmond). Knowing the value of grabbing the legit 60's/70's players, we both took former champions from the same Philly team. Its like looking at a twisted mirror image of yourself.
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Rebounding Philosophy: We prefer to get back in transition rather than crash the glass. With the exception of Nate Thurmond, everyone else will sprint back after the initial shot attempt in order to corral the transition game of Nash, Wilkes and Cunningham.





Offensive Philosophy - A simplistic approach is best for my team, the first option of the offense will always be to post up either GP or KG, both were great in the pivot and beyond excellent at passing out of double teams. If or when those doubles come, the primary swing outlet will be Chris Mullin, who was among the premier off the ball threats of his heyday. Mullin wasnt just a shooter either, he was a triple threat player who could beat you with the pass, put the ball on the deck vs close outs on top of that sweet J.


Chet Walker is the secondary swing option off those doubles (if Mullins is unable to get his shot). In his time, Walker was arguably the best 1 on 1 player in the league, he helped Chamberlain win his only title in Philly, all while operating under a similarly post centric offense, and he put up some big numbers when he was on his own. Hes a more than adequate shot creator if our primary and secondary options are taken away.


You may have noticed the only name I've yet to mention was Nate Thurmond. In his time he was guilty of putting up one too many jumpers, thankfully Ive surrounded him enough scoring support that his role in this offense will be minuscule. He will be the sole bigman in the starting unit who crashes the offensive glass. Outside of that his offense will consist of putbacks and outlet jumpers at the elbow. Zero post ups.




Bench Mob Offense:
The strength of my bench resides in the backcourt (Rose/Harden). Thus, the offense will be much more of a modern drive and kick, Pick&Roll oriented approach. Built around the mindnumbing athleticism of Derrick Rose with Harden's methodical attack providing another dimension of the PnR. Either Rose or Harden replaces Chet in the closing unit. FYI

The rest of the bench players were chosen with the focus being on finishers, to compliment the playmaking ability of GP, Rose, KG, Harden.


Robert Horry is my swiss army knife, capable of playing either 3 or 4, without losing anything in the way of team defense or spacing. Because hes clutch as hell and can play off all my stars, hes a possibility to close in a smaller lineup with KG at the 5.

George McGinnis vs Julius Erving was at one point a legit conversation, they even co-won an ABA MVP. While time eventually put that discussion to rest, its easy to see why I chose him as my athletic swing. He and Horry are my combo forwards that can utilize their "corner" skills to exploit a matchup advantages against more traditional setups. George will work off the ball and if he can find any gaps in the defense he will explode and finish.

Antonio McDyess is the primary backup bigman, hes the main pick setter as hes an explosive finisher at the rim.

Joe Barry Carrol was my final pick, but hes a former #1 draft choice who can fit in with an inverted offense that has bigmen shooting jumpers and perimeter guys playing inside.


Defensive Game Plan - This is where I really wanted my team to shine. I have an elite on ball defender in GP, THE greatest post defender in NBA history in Thurmond and the best PnR hedger of all-time in KG. Those are just their strengths, all were well rounded defensive players from an invidual+team standpoint. Because of that, I intend to cross match quite abit.




Against the "Blue Man Group", my number 1 focus is obviously Tim Duncan. His designated defender will be Nate Thurmond (with KG getting a few reps in) and while my intention is to play him 1 on 1, how I defend him will depend on who shares the court with him. The basic rule of thumb for my defense against Duncan is this, if there are 2 non-3pt threats on the perimeter, we bltiz the PnR and we trap the post half the time.

Against his starting 5:
Nash-Wilkes-Cunningham-Duncan-Parish
I anticipate this unit will rely primarily on post-ups for Duncan and a Nash-Duncan PnR, with Wilkes/Billy playing off those 2 and Parish getting the scraps. Against his inevitable post-ups, I plan to sag off his swings. I have absolutely no respect for the 3pt shooting of either Wilkes or Cunningham, which means whenever this combination is on the floor, Duncan will get doubled on half his post touches. As soon as Allan Houston comes into the game, the gameplan shifts to a traditional set up with PG guarding opposing PG and Duncan being contained 1 on 1.



VS Nash: (Chet Walker)
The primary defender on Nash isn't my concern, because hes not an isolation scorer Im not planning to put Gary Payton on Nash extensively. Instead I plan to put the much bigger Chet Walker on him. As stated, the 1 on 1 defense isn't whats important so much as the team defense against his PnR attack.
Because of the cross matching, KG isn't likely to be the primary PnR defender against the Nash-Duncan combo but hes also the perfect roam and recover bigman to provide help to Thurmond and muck up any PnR. GP will get his reps in too tho. Think of it as a 50/50 split.


VS Wilkes: (Gary Payton)
This is where GP will earn his money, by completely taking away the 1 on 1 attack of Silk Wilkes. And off the ball, because he lacks range, GP can sag and play the passing lanes abit and also harrass Duncan on post ups, hopefully forcing turnovers in the process.


VS Parish: (Kevin Garnett)
KG will hopefully get to rest abit on Parish, I dont anticipate him being a go to option, KG is well equipped athletically to defend Parish while providing help IMO.


VS Billy Cunningham: (Mullin)
Cunningham is a great player but he was the 6thman in Philly both for his energy off the bench but also to make use of what was an otherwise redundant skillset with the starters... his rebounding prowess.

I feel like he was the 60's version of a Shawn Marion, only with less range and defense. As stated before, the combination of Wilkes-Cunningham will compromise his spacing abit, the problem is compounded with Billy however, because he was more of an interior player. He wont be disrespected off the ball tho (Rondo style), keeping him off the glass will be the primary concern.





Closing Statement: My team is better.

KnicksorBust
06-19-2013, 09:49 PM
In sticking with my normal MO, I'll give both GMs a chance to form a rebuttal to their opponents write-up before voting. This is definitely a tough one with such similarly built teams.

The_Jamal
06-19-2013, 09:54 PM
Echo KOB. However, leaning Mos Eisley atm. They have a few advantages I really like over Newport

PatsSoxKnicks
06-19-2013, 09:55 PM
In sticking with my normal MO, I'll give both GMs a chance to form a rebuttal to their opponents write-up before voting. This is definitely a tough one with such similarly built teams.

Yup, looking forward to some of the rebuttals.

Sadds The Gr8
06-19-2013, 11:15 PM
close but I love Mos Eisley's balance and I like their bench way more. Mos Eisley in 6.

mightybosstone
06-19-2013, 11:58 PM
Chronz did a phenomenal job with his starters, but he left open some significant holes we plan to exploit. First off, putting a 6'6" SG from the 60s on Steve Nash? Are you kidding me? Nash will blow by Walker like the guy is playing in molasses. Not only that, but if Nash can play off screens, he'll get a ton of open looks from beyond the arc with an ancient, oversized player trailing him of off of every pick. And to act as if Nash has no scoring ability off the dribble or is totally useless is fairly naive. The man is a wizard with the ball in his hand, and he can get to the rim at will when he needs to. Put Walker on Nash and he puts up 20-25 every night in that series.

Secondly, calling Cunningham a "mostly interior" player is a super simplistic view of his skills as a player. He's more than skilled enough off the dribble, was a very good mid-rang shooter and an excellent scorer in transition. To just assume he's going to wait around the basket is a complete misnomer. I also think putting a 6'3" Payton on a long, 6'7" Jamaal Wilkes is a mistake. Not only will Wilkes' unusual jumper go completely uncontested against the undersized Payton, but he'll gladly post up Payton and back him down with ease.

One other thing I'd like to reiterate is how much postseason experience my starters have. To repeat, my starters have a combined 12 rings and not a single one of these guys played on the 60s Celtics teams. Duncan is one of the greatest postseason performers of all-time, third in career Win Shares behind only MJ and Kareem. Parish is 33rd in postseason WS and Nash is 59th. On the flip side, Mos Eisley's second best player, Gary Payton, is one of the all-time notorious playoff chokers (159th in career playoff WS). Payton saw a 34% decrease in his WS/48 and a 19% decrease in his PER from the regular season to the postseason, one of the most dramatic drop-offs of any all-time great in the history of the game.

And as for the bench, Mos Eisley admittedly has more star power, but their bench front court is seriously undersized. Can you imagine Horry going up against Duncan or a 6'9" McDyess defending the 7-foot Robert Parish? Also, our bench plays its roles better. Jackson is the superior defender and distributor to Rose, Houston the superior shooter, Prince the superior perimeter defender and Noah the superior post and help defender. Those guys will player their roles far better than Mos Eisley's bench.

Offensively, this isn't even a contest. Duncan will not make things easy for KG (will have to be their primary offensive threat), especially if Parish comes over to help in the paint. And Mullin will get no open looks or space to dribble with the rangy Wilkes engulfing him the entire game. He also attacks our space, but fails to recognized the superior spacing offensively which our bigs provide, as well as two of the greatest 3-point shooters in the history of the NBA playing significant minutes together in Nash and Houston.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-20-2013, 12:08 AM
My comp was lagging so accidentally clicked on Mos Eisley. Change mine to Newport.

NYKalltheway
06-20-2013, 12:39 AM
7 game series for sure. My take would be Mos Eisley takes game 7. Seems like a better structured basketball team.

Chronz
06-20-2013, 01:10 AM
Horrible job on the editing OP, I made it look way prettier than that in the write up I sent.... anyways


Chronz did a phenomenal job with his starters, but he left open some significant holes we plan to exploit. First off, putting a 6'6" SG from the 60s on Steve Nash? Are you kidding me? Nash will blow by Walker like the guy is playing in molasses. Not only that, but if Nash can play off screens, he'll get a ton of open looks from beyond the arc with an ancient, oversized player trailing him of off of every pick. And to act as if Nash has no scoring ability off the dribble or is totally useless is fairly naive. The man is a wizard with the ball in his hand, and he can get to the rim at will when he needs to. Put Walker on Nash and he puts up 20-25 every night in that series.
The point of putting Chet on Nash is to entice him to score, the more jump shots I can get Nash to take the less I have to worry about him getting the supporting cast involved. I readily acknowledge that Nash has the advantage in the matchup, its why GP will have to get his reps in as well. But I think we can all agree that Nash is at his best when hes dishing it out to open shooters from deep and open dunks inside (aka the highest% shots and most valuable assists in the game). I plan to limit his playmaking more than his personal scoring output. You have good shooters, but they cant stretch me out to the 3pt line. Also, you can mock Chet's athleticism but his defense was more than solid and I doubt Nash would burn him with ease. You dont have to run around much when your bigmen are as mobile as Nate/KG/Horry/McDyess.



Secondly, calling Cunningham a "mostly interior" player is a super simplistic view of his skills as a player. He's more than skilled enough off the dribble, was a very good mid-rang shooter and an excellent scorer in transition. To just assume he's going to wait around the basket is a complete misnomer.
Im pretty sure I said "more of an interior player". As in, compared to Silkes. Which is true. Side note; Chet Walker and Billy were on the same team, but Chet fit in better with the starting lineup and Billy came off the bench. In addition to being more efficient, according to Wilt, Chet was arguably the best 1 on 1 player in the league. The use of Cunningham comes in small ball lineups, thats when he had his best years (when he could use his quickness against slow footed powerforwards/centers). Regardless, hes not a 3pt shooter and his midrange game doesn't compare to Chets, so if we are trading midrange shots between our old school players, Ill gladly take that.


I also think putting a 6'3" Payton on a long, 6'7" Jamaal Wilkes is a mistake. Not only will Wilkes' unusual jumper go completely uncontested against the undersized Payton, but he'll gladly post up Payton and back him down with ease.
LOL. Payton checked MJ and forced him into some of the worst performances of his Finals career. I dont know if you remember, but there was alot of hoopla over the fact that Karl refused to put GP on MJ, Phil even taunted him for it. The series only turned competitive for a moment because GP was placed onto MJ.

Check this vid for examples of the Bulls attacking GP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-9ezKk1arA

If MJ couldnt abuse Payton so easily why would a far inferior player? GP also checked Kobe in his advanced age. The guy was better off guarding SG's some times.




One other thing I'd like to reiterate is how much postseason experience my starters have. To repeat, my starters have a combined 12 rings and not a single one of these guys played on the 60s Celtics teams. Duncan is one of the greatest postseason performers of all-time, third in career Win Shares behind only MJ and Kareem. Parish is 33rd in postseason WS and Nash is 59th. On the flip side, Mos Eisley's second best player, Gary Payton, is one of the all-time notorious playoff chokers (159th in career playoff WS). Payton saw a 34% decrease in his WS/48 and a 19% decrease in his PER from the regular season to the postseason, one of the most dramatic drop-offs of any all-time great in the history of the game.
Its about context IMO, your not getting career talent, but PEAK talent.
You prolly have more talent at the top, but Im hopefull my talent is somewhat comparable and that the supporting cast meshes better. Being somewhat of an underdog isnt enough IMO. Duncan is great, but KAJ was having a season for the ages when Thurmond sent his happy *** home as the 60 win Bucks were beat by the 47 win Warriors. Thurmond limited him to a TS% of .477. I feel I can neutralize your best player while KG can still get his against anyone you throw at him.

GP choked alot but during his best season, he was a DPOY and a Finalist. GP is a 2 way player, Nash is a liability against anyone.

Chronz
06-20-2013, 02:21 AM
And yes my bench is undersized, but McDyess defended Duncan brilliantly in the Finals (some said better than Ben Wallace, though clearly not on Sheeds level). And the reason I went small is to provide a different look, I have my big defenders in the starting lineup. You could definitely find ways to exploit that but I like my bench vs yours overall.

Sadds The Gr8
06-20-2013, 11:14 AM
woah...thought this matchup would be way closer

Ebbs
06-20-2013, 12:03 PM
Newport was close to swaying me but as soon as I saw this match up I liked it for Mos Eisley.

I just think they got the more talented roster. And are better suited to play 2-way basketball

mightybosstone
06-20-2013, 12:56 PM
This is ****ing ridiculous. Clearly the write-ups don't mean a goddamn thing.

PatsSoxKnicks
06-20-2013, 01:50 PM
woah...thought this matchup would be way closer

Yeah same.

Raps08-09 Champ
06-20-2013, 02:05 PM
Lol what a blowout.

The_Jamal
06-20-2013, 02:13 PM
Was leaning Chronz at the beginning of this match-up and I like every answer he had for a potential weakness against Newport. Mos Eisley in 6

KnicksorBust
06-20-2013, 05:23 PM
The voting for this match is crazy. I love the Nash-Duncan-Parish trio and I think switching Payton off Nash would hurt Mos Eisley. KG is not going to get to rest" against a HoF 20-10 center like Robert Parish either. Newport Beach.

Lucky.
06-20-2013, 05:27 PM
I was one of the few that loved MBT's trio, but I love Mos Eisley. Tough matchup, even though you'd never know by the votes.

Chronz
06-20-2013, 06:11 PM
The voting for this match is crazy. I love the Nash-Duncan-Parish trio and I think switching Payton off Nash would hurt Mos Eisley. KG is not going to get to rest" against a HoF 20-10 center like Robert Parish either. Newport Beach.

Thoughts on Parish and his consistently shrinking playoff numbers? Hes 20-10 in the regular season but when the competition stiffens up, his production dwindles.

I can see why you would feel that way about GP not checking Nash full time but I hope you acknowledge that putting GP on Nash would hurt his ability to play passing lanes and completely eliminate his trapping/helping ability. GP didn't win the DPOY just because he could check his man, it was because he could harass off the ball. I want to utilize every skillset my best defenders have.

Agreed on this series being close based on talent.

Chronz
06-20-2013, 06:34 PM
Question for anyone who reads this:

If you have Nash and Duncan on your team, do you prioritize Nash's strength (PnR) or Duncan's (Post play) or do you do an even combination of both?

PatsSoxKnicks
06-20-2013, 06:37 PM
Question for anyone who reads this:

If you have Nash and Duncan on your team, do you prioritize Nash's strength (PnR) or Duncan's (Post play) or do you do an even combination of both?

I'd do an even combination of both. I think you want to get Duncan going in the post but at the same time Nash is great in the PnR, so you want to utilize that as well. Duncan is a good PnR player too and Nash could certainly benefit from Duncan's post ups as a great shooter.

ManRam
06-20-2013, 06:38 PM
i voted for newport beach because this shouldn't be as huge of a blowout as it is and my vote isn't gonna change anything. i can elaborate more later when i feel like typing more.


sorry chronz ;)

PatsSoxKnicks
06-20-2013, 06:39 PM
I'm not sure that I've ever seen a 4-5 matchup be this lopsided. It looks like MBT has given up on arguing too, which is a shame.

KnicksorBust
06-20-2013, 10:28 PM
Thoughts on Parish and his consistently shrinking playoff numbers? Hes 20-10 in the regular season but when the competition stiffens up, his production dwindles.

I can see why you would feel that way about GP not checking Nash full time but I hope you acknowledge that putting GP on Nash would hurt his ability to play passing lanes and completely eliminate his trapping/helping ability. GP didn't win the DPOY just because he could check his man, it was because he could harass off the ball. I want to utilize every skillset my best defenders have.

Agreed on this series being close based on talent.

Parish peaked at 18ppg on 57% from the field on a championship title run. To assume a player of his caliber would provide a "rest" for the defense is more than a stretch in logic.

Meanwhile, Nash is the engine of that team. Not only does he need to run PnRs...not only does he need to feed the post...not only does he need to space the floor...not only does he need to get out in transition to set up guys like Wilkes for easy buckets...BUT he also needs to create some of his own scoring. THAT's the guy you want to put Payton on. Even the younger generation has seen Payton-Stockton... this could have been the sequel.

Hawkeye15
06-20-2013, 11:16 PM
This was beyond the toughest decision for me, I am surprised it's so one sided.

Chronz
06-21-2013, 12:14 AM
Parish peaked at 18ppg on 57% from the field on a championship title run. To assume a player of his caliber would provide a "rest" for the defense is more than a stretch in logic.
Its relative, compared to the rigors of guarding Duncan its a rest. And someone on the team is going to have to see their touches cut, why wouldn't it be the least effective go to scorer whos also being defended by a DPOY?


Meanwhile, Nash is the engine of that team. Not only does he need to run PnRs...not only does he need to feed the post...not only does he need to space the floor...not only does he need to get out in transition to set up guys like Wilkes for easy buckets...BUT he also needs to create some of his own scoring. THAT's the guy you want to put Payton on. Even the younger generation has seen Payton-Stockton... this could have been the sequel.

But the fact that he can space the floor is exactly what prevents GP from showcasing his all-around defense. Transition is prevented by the entire team running back, not any 1 man. GP is great at fighting through screens but the game plan is to make Nash look to score as often as possible off the PnR, so if having a bigger player on him will do that, then thats what I want.

I really dont see why I would stick to any 1 defender on Nash when I can utilize so many different looks.

Chronz
06-21-2013, 02:29 AM
Giant elephant in the room is the 1 on 1 in my sig. thoughts?

PatsSoxKnicks
06-21-2013, 03:57 AM
Giant elephant in the room is the 1 on 1 in my sig. thoughts?

You mean for the next matchup vs. Vancouver? They have Moses so I assume switch out Duncan for Moses. Unless you wanna do something different

Chronz
06-21-2013, 10:30 AM
You mean for the next matchup vs. Vancouver? They have Moses so I assume switch out Duncan for Moses. Unless you wanna do something different

I mean how do you guys think Duncan would fare in this matchup. Is this a series where KG is likely to outproduce Duncan? I honestly believe so.

I can understand why some would want me to put GP on Nash 100%, but its the same reason Im not putting Nate Thurmond on Duncan 100%. There is value in mixing it up, even at the expense of placing your best defender on him.

mightybosstone
06-21-2013, 10:36 AM
This is disgusting that it went down this way, but it just goes to show you how little people respect Duncan, Nash and Parish and how much they overrate someone like Gary Payton, who must be among the most overrated superstars of all-time. Pathetic postseason numbers. And clearly no one gives a **** about postseason success. I believe I have the better basketball team, but clearly voters saw something in this matchup that causes them to disagree with me.

I congratulate Chronz on his victory. He built a very good team, and I would not want to face him in the second round. I will now dunk my head in a bucket of ice-water.

greg_ory_2005
06-21-2013, 03:56 PM
Looks like this one is already over. But I liked Newport in this series.