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kjoke
06-13-2013, 11:58 PM
If all the players on these teams where in their primes, who wins?

SMH!
06-13-2013, 11:59 PM
Looks like a prime heat to me almost besides maybe Ray Allen and Howard, but Im going with spurs, if they had a prime Manu, Duncan, and even TMAC? Its over.

kjoke
06-14-2013, 12:00 AM
Looks like a prime heat to me almost besides maybe Ray Allen and Howard, but Im going with spurs, if they had a prime Manu, Duncan, and even TMAC? Its over.

Lewis too :shrug:

SMH!
06-14-2013, 12:06 AM
Forgot about him ^. I gotta backtrack and say it would be very interesting but im still going spurs

Big Zo
06-14-2013, 12:08 AM
Juwan Howard wasn't too bad in his day, either.

Edit: Nevermind, already mentioned.

Khri
06-14-2013, 12:08 AM
Prime Heat

Just imagine what Wade did tonight but 10x better.

kobe4thewinbang
06-14-2013, 12:10 AM
Looks like a prime heat to me almost besides maybe Ray Allen and HowardAnd Wade, Bosh, Miller, Haslem, etc. They're an old team.

cmellofan15
06-14-2013, 12:13 AM
Omg.....just to think about T Mac in his prime against LeBron or Wade.

kjoke
06-14-2013, 12:14 AM
I was thinking that the heat would win but it would be extremely close.

Duncan is a top 10 player of all-time, prime T-mac arguably could have been ranked on one hand, Manus restlessness, and Parker just being Parker. Great group of players there

seikou8
06-14-2013, 12:24 AM
7 games for sure

JordansBulls
06-14-2013, 12:28 AM
Would love to see a Tmac/Manu SG/SF vs Wade/Lebron

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 12:31 AM
Wade in his prime would tear Ginobili up.

ATX
06-14-2013, 12:37 AM
Prime

LeBron
Wade
Bosh
Allen
Howard
Lewis
Battier
Miller

PRIME T Mac makes things close, but it's Miami clearly.

LakersIn5
06-14-2013, 12:43 AM
Prime Heat

Just imagine what Wade did tonight but 10x better.

320 points and 60 steals. DAMN!

mightybosstone
06-14-2013, 12:47 AM
Prime T-Mac and Duncan would make for a disgusting team with Parker and Manu, but the Heat would have so much firepower between Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Lewis, Miller, Howard, Haslem, etc. I'd take the Heat in 5 or 6.

WadeCounty
06-14-2013, 12:48 AM
we would still be watching game 4 even tho it ended over an hour ago. Wade with 60 free throw attempts by now :P

naps
06-14-2013, 12:50 AM
prime

lebron
wade
bosh
allen
howard
lewis
battier
miller

prime t mac makes things close, but it's miami clearly.

this.

Dade County
06-14-2013, 12:51 AM
Wade wins hand down!!!!

Is this some kind of joke?!

JeremiahWing
06-14-2013, 01:12 AM
No comparison. Spurs don't rely upon athleticism to win games. They are simply better basketball players.

Becks2307
06-14-2013, 01:25 AM
prime Tmac + prime duncan >>> Prime Wade and Prime Lebron

but damn it's close.

Prime Tmac is better than prime Wade imo but barely.

god that would be a good series. Prime allen off the bench though really makes things tough.

SportsFanatic10
06-14-2013, 01:36 AM
No comparison. Spurs don't rely upon athleticism to win games. They are simply better basketball players.

athleticism is part of the game. it's not the how it's the what.

SportsFanatic10
06-14-2013, 01:37 AM
dp.

Jtirado16
06-14-2013, 01:41 AM
The better matchup would be the early 2000 Lakers vs last years championship winning Heat! That would of been a series for the ages

THE GIPPER
06-14-2013, 01:43 AM
And prime Tim Duncan would be guarded by who? Chris Bosh? :rolleyes:


Yeah, Spurs easily.

Jarvo
06-14-2013, 01:44 AM
Spurs because Pop is the coach and would share the ball.

SportsFanatic10
06-14-2013, 01:48 AM
heat would win, prime wade/allen/lewis/miller along with bosh and lebron is just too much to handle. the spurs would be damn good too though. heat would also get riley to coach.

SlapintheClip
06-14-2013, 01:49 AM
I'd probably go with the spurs

Jtirado16
06-14-2013, 01:50 AM
Please tell me Bosh is gonna stop Duncan..

Tmac over Wade any freaking day!!

It goes to 6 games but the Spurs win

cmellofan15
06-14-2013, 01:55 AM
To make it fair, can Riley take over coaching duties?

SlapintheClip
06-14-2013, 01:55 AM
heat would win, prime wade/allen/lewis/miller along with bosh and lebron is just too much to handle. the spurs would be damn good too though. heat would also get riley to coach.

Too much shooting for the spurs to handle

LayBraun
06-14-2013, 01:57 AM
Have to go prime Heat here. So many great players in their primes

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 02:00 AM
I guess some people forget how good Juwan Howard was back in his prime... Also, Ray Allen too? T-Mac in his prime was not as good as Wade in 08-09.. Also, T-Mac in his prime wasn't even close to LeBron now.

RLundi
06-14-2013, 02:05 AM
I'm going Spurs. Can you imagine prime Duncan and prime T-Mac? :drool:

It would go seven games, but no one on the Heat could match up with Duncan.

meloman1592
06-14-2013, 02:06 AM
320 points and 60 steals. DAMN!

Lmfaoooooooo

RLundi
06-14-2013, 02:07 AM
I guess some people forget how good Juwan Howard was back in his prime... Also, Ray Allen too? T-Mac in his prime was not as good as Wade in 08-09.. Also, T-Mac in his prime wasn't even close to LeBron now.

T-Mac's prime is better than Wade's prime. It's very close, but T-Mac had one of the best seasons from a SG in NBA history in the 2002-2003 season.

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 02:10 AM
T-Mac's prime is better than Wade's prime. It's very close, but T-Mac had one of the best seasons from a SG in NBA history in the 2002-2003 season.
http://speedcap.net/sharing/files/1b/fb/1bfb81575ffdc2a114d0228e8e716370.png

Nah, still give the edge to Wade. Not to mention that McGrady had an entire team of veterans and Wade was carrying a team of rookies/sophs.

SlapintheClip
06-14-2013, 02:11 AM
And prime Tim Duncan would be guarded by who? Chris Bosh? :rolleyes:


Yeah, Spurs easily.

Don't forget prime Joel Anthony and Chris Anderson

Hahaha

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 02:13 AM
Don't forget prime Joel Anthony and Chris Anderson

Hahaha

Juwan Howard.

RLundi
06-14-2013, 02:21 AM
http://speedcap.net/sharing/files/1b/fb/1bfb81575ffdc2a114d0228e8e716370.png

Nah, still give the edge to Wade. Not to mention that McGrady had an entire team of veterans and Wade was carrying a team of rookies/sophs.

That Orlando team was TERRIBLE. Wade's season was incredible but T-Mac had 16.1 win shares and .262 WS48 to Wade's 14.7 and .232 WS48. Both seasons were unbelievable, but T-Mac's season was better.

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 02:24 AM
That Orlando team was TERRIBLE. Wade's season was incredible but T-Mac had 16.1 win shares and .262 WS48 to Wade's 14.7 and .232 WS48. Both seasons were unbelievable, but T-Mac's season was better.

Terrible? What the hell? Compare that to Wade's team 08 team.. T-Mac has been an inaccurate player his entire career. Wade is much more efficient. I've watched both players play and T-Mac is highly overrated. He was a top 5 player back then, but let's not get carried away now.

RLundi
06-14-2013, 02:30 AM
Terrible? What the hell? Compare that to Wade's team 08 team.. T-Mac has been an inaccurate player his entire career. Wade is much more efficient. I've watched both players play and T-Mac is highly overrated. He was a top 5 player back then, but let's not get carried away now.

I had the privilege of watching those teams night in and night out. They were TERRIBLE. Mike Miller and Juwan Howard were their second and third best players.

T-Mac's absolute peak is better than Wade's, hands down. Wade's lasted much longer, but I'm not sure how you can dispute that Wade's best season was better than T-Mac's. As for inaccurate shooting, Wade's TS and eFG was .574 and .516. McGrady's was .564 and .505 so I'm not sure why you say he was inaccurate or inefficient. They had almost the same exact PER.

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 02:33 AM
I had the privilege of watching those teams night in and night out. They were TERRIBLE. Mike Miller and Juwan Howard were their second and third best players.

T-Mac's absolute peak is better than Wade's, hands down. Wade's lasted much longer, but I'm not sure how you can dispute that Wade's best season was better than T-Mac's. As for inaccurate shooting, Wade's TS and eFG was .574 and .516. McGrady's was .564 and .505 so I'm not sure why you say he was inaccurate or inefficient. They had almost the same exact PER.

And Miami's second best player was Michael Beasley.. Really doubting if you watched them or not.

cmellofan15
06-14-2013, 02:37 AM
Well a little off topic but Wade & McGrady are definitely two of the best shot blockers at the 2 guard position in the history of the game.

RLundi
06-14-2013, 02:37 AM
And Miami's second best player was Michael Beasley.. Really doubting if you watched them or not.

I have not watched them, I won't even lie. But it seems like you're dodging all the statistical evidence I've given you and choosing only to focus on who had worse teammates, which is only marginally important.

Can you make a case on the numbers?

THE GIPPER
06-14-2013, 03:20 AM
Comparing 08/09 Wade to 02/03 T-Mac statistically: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2009&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2003

Looks close to me. Like splitting hairs close.

Bullsfan22
06-14-2013, 04:21 AM
The Heat would clash imo. Wade was only big enough to take the backseat because he was already a finals mvp. T-mac would basically be allowed to be the dominant perimeter player with Manu already willing to come off the bench. Oh and as good as Howard was Duncan would not only limit him drastically but he would also average 23 and 12 with 2-3 blocks. And to put the icing on the cake Kawhi Leonard probably would have morphed into the best on the ball defender in the NBA. He certainly have the tools and the coach to make it happen. I don't deny that the Heat would have more talent but I'm no sure they'd be much of a team.

PhillyFaninLA
06-14-2013, 04:51 AM
Put Wade and Allen in their prime with Lebron that is potentially an all time starting 3, with Bosh and a solid enough bench I don't think its competitive.

This Heat team is interesting because when they want to win they don't lose, but don't seem to want to win every game. You put them in their prime....an 06 Wade and a prime Ray Allen with this Lebron and a Toronto Bosh could rival almost any starting 4...you have 3 hall of famers on that list.

PhillyFaninLA
06-14-2013, 04:59 AM
Comparing 08/09 Wade to 02/03 T-Mac statistically: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2009&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2003

Looks close to me. Like splitting hairs close.


Hey everyone lets ignore actually watching players and analyzing them with what we actually see...lets just use stats and nothing else to form our opinions.

To many people ignore the eye test.

torocan
06-14-2013, 09:18 AM
Close, but I gotta go Spurs on this one.

Prime Wade is great, but he still can't be the dominant player that he was with LeBron and Bosh on the floor.

How do you stop prime Duncan? The Heat literally has nobody that can match up inside when pounding the rock.

Even so, it's pretty close to even, and the Heat roster may have the edge.. until you add in Pops. Pops coaches circles around Spo and that's the end of that.

D-Leethal
06-14-2013, 09:26 AM
Spurs prime pieces fit better. Spurs in their prime was one of the best teams ever, they dethroned Shaq and Kobe in 2003 when Shaq and Kobe were unbeatable and doing things like going 16-1 through the playoffs. The 2011 Heat was pretty damn close to their respective primes and they lost to the Mavericks.

4milesperday
06-14-2013, 09:26 AM
People forget that the teams wont work as well if they were all in their prime. T Mac will be averaging 25 shots, Ray Allen, Rashaad Lewis, Mike Miller and Juwan Howard will want atleast 10 shots each. Both teams will lak chemistry but I think Pop will find a way to mix the right guys...advantage Spurs

Longhornfan1234
06-14-2013, 09:42 AM
Prime Parker is clearly better than prime Wade. Prime LeBron is clearly better than Prime Duncan. Manu and Bosh is a wash. Allen off the bench gives the Heat the edge.

RLundi
06-14-2013, 10:02 AM
Prime Parker is clearly better than prime Wade. Prime LeBron is clearly better than Prime Duncan. Manu and Bosh is a wash. Allen off the bench gives the Heat the edge.

Prime Parker better than prime Wade? How so??

kdspurman
06-14-2013, 10:09 AM
Prime Parker is clearly better than prime Wade. Prime LeBron is clearly better than Prime Duncan. Manu and Bosh is a wash. Allen off the bench gives the Heat the edge.

What about prime T-Mac?

kdspurman
06-14-2013, 10:10 AM
I think people forget just how great a prime Duncan was on both ends of the court.

b@llhog24
06-14-2013, 03:57 PM
And prime Tim Duncan would be guarded by who? Chris Bosh? :rolleyes:


Yeah, Spurs easily.

This, Duncan would make Bosh his *****.

b@llhog24
06-14-2013, 04:01 PM
Comparing 08/09 Wade to 02/03 T-Mac statistically: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2009&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2003

Looks close to me. Like splitting hairs close.

Statistically speaking, Wade was better and he also was better defensively. Only real argument for Tmac comes from intangibles worth and whether or not you believe that hand-checking really played that big of a factor when looking at wing player production.

b@llhog24
06-14-2013, 04:03 PM
Hey everyone lets ignore actually watching players and analyzing them with what we actually see...lets just use stats and nothing else to form our opinions.

To many people ignore the eye test.

Because you know that he did that for a fact, right?

b@llhog24
06-14-2013, 04:09 PM
Parker, Kawhi, Tmac, Tiago, Timmy. With one of the best six men in Manu, a former most improved player in Boris Diaw, with guys in Danny Green, Neal and Bonner who can get hot at any minute? It's not always about talent. It's not like Rashard, and all the other past their prime players are going to be getting heavy mins or anything like that. They'll be a more talented version of the Danny Greens, and Bonners of the world, with around the same level of production.

i.got.the.nutz
06-14-2013, 07:32 PM
I would take the team that's being coached by Pop.

OceanSpray
06-14-2013, 07:35 PM
Some people here really don't know how good Juwan was. Oh yeah, prime Wade? He did what he did in game 4 DAILY.

Hawkeye15
06-14-2013, 07:57 PM
The Heat in their primes would just have everything. Shooters galore, defense, and attacking penetration that can't be stopped.

Hawkeye15
06-14-2013, 07:58 PM
Some people here really don't know how good Juwan was. Oh yeah, prime Wade? He did what he did in game 4 DAILY.

Juwan was pretty good, but that was 200 years ago. Most here aren't old enough to remember his game.

THE GIPPER
06-14-2013, 09:56 PM
The Heat in their primes would just have everything. Shooters galore, defense, and attacking penetration that can't be stopped.

Im surprised you would take the Heat, Hawk. The way I see it is the Spurs would have just as much shooting, defense and penetration as the Heat along with one of the best bigs of all time.

Manu was relentless at attacking the rim back in the day, and T-Mac was simply an unconscious scorer.

And I still feel prime Duncan would be unstoppable offensively against prime Heat as well as bring the Spurs to a whole different level defensively.

TheNumber37
06-14-2013, 10:21 PM
prime spurs and its simple... you can only play 5 at a time... let's rank players in their prime...

Duncan
James
Tmac
Wade
Allen
Manu
Parker
Miller
Battier

netsgiantsyanks
06-14-2013, 10:55 PM
prime tony+prime duncan+prime ginobli+prime t-mac? jesus christ.

Max.This
06-15-2013, 12:08 AM
some of you people are on meth. I'm beginning to think some of you guys are too young to remember T-mac lol. D wade is his prime couldnt shoot threes and shot a ton of free throws.

Big Zo
06-15-2013, 12:11 AM
some of you people are on meth. I'm beginning to think some of you guys are too young to remember T-mac lol. D wade is his prime couldnt shoot threes and shot a ton of free throws.

I remember T-mac never being able to get out of the first round, and crying about it in interviews. :)

DreamShaker
06-15-2013, 12:50 AM
Sheesh. Would be a tough call. Something like

Chalmers
Wade
Lebron
Howard
Bosh

Bench:
Lewis
Allen
Haslem
Miller
Birdman

VS.

Parker
T-Mac
Leonard
Diaw
Duncan

Bench
Green
Splitter
Manu
Neal

Really tough. T-Mac might put the Spurs over the top, but Juwan, Miller, and Lewis were awesome in their primes, and Allen was of course a star scorer. Then again, prime Duncan would dismantle that front line. I say Spurs in 7, but it is CLOSE.

cmellofan15
06-15-2013, 01:08 AM
I just realized Lewis and Allen are back together :laugh2:

Max.This
06-15-2013, 01:13 AM
I remember T-mac never being able to get out of the first round, and crying about it in interviews. :)

that doesnt mean he's not a better player than Wade. remember the lebron argument... Rings are the result of team effort. If thats the case what matters if t mac can't get out of the first round if he's still a better player. Hypocrites

Eg714
06-15-2013, 01:27 AM
I would take the spurs easily. The heat have a bunch of great players in there primes but spurs would have a prime

Ducan: best pf of all time
Parker: one of the best pg of all time
Manu: he fell big time, but in his prime was just super sick.
Tmac: This guy was a super beast and might be the best of the group in his prime

Plus all the youngs guys who haven't even peaked yet.

HoopsMachine
06-15-2013, 02:29 AM
If we are talking about just the Big 3 for each respective team than definitely Spurs biggest difference is prime Duncan who the Heat would have no answer for in the paint.

OceanSpray
06-15-2013, 02:41 AM
Funny, Duncan 2012-2013 is actually averaging better numbers per minute than prime Duncan. He's fundamentally sound. That means he doesn't rely on quickness or athleticism. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have it. Not saying he's better this season, just saying prime Duncan wasn't that much better. McGrady current to prime transition is the story for Spurs. And no, Howard will make contest Duncan's shots.

What I wanna know is how you guys plan on stopping prime Wade, Lewis, Mike Miller, and Ray Allen?
Wade in his prime was Game 4 Wade.
Lewis/Mike/Allen were lethal from three and could score 15-25 on a given night.

ragee
06-15-2013, 03:14 AM
Not saying he's better this season, just saying prime Duncan wasn't that much better.

Lol. Is this serious? If Duncan was in his prime, I think majority would agree that this series would not be this close.

If all of the players are in their primes already, this would have been a better series. It would be hard to predict because the zone that is containing Lebron will not be effective anymore because you have Allen and Lewis that could light you up beyond the arc. The only problem with their lineup is that I don't think a lot of them can be great role players in their prime.

The Spurs on the other hand would have better chemistry. Other than T-Mac all of their players don't need to have their ball in their hands all the time to be effective. Their 4th best player thrives on coming off the bench and I think ball movement will be more fluid.

OceanSpray
06-15-2013, 03:17 AM
Lol. Is this serious? If Duncan was in his prime, I think majority would agree that this series would not be this close.

If all of the players are in their primes already, this would have been a better series. It would be hard to predict because the zone that is containing Lebron will not be effective anymore because you have Allen and Lewis that could light you up beyond the arc. The only problem with their lineup is that I don't think a lot of them can be great role players in their prime.

The Spurs on the other hand would have better chemistry. Other than T-Mac all of their players don't need to have their ball in their hands all the time to be effective. Their 4th best player thrives on coming off the bench and I think ball movement will be more fluid.

And yet, Duncan is averaging better numbers per minute. Say what you want, Duncan relies on fundamentals, not speed and athleticism. It doesn't hurt to have those two, but it's not the central part of his game.

OceanSpray
06-15-2013, 03:20 AM
Lol. Is this serious? If Duncan was in his prime, I think majority would agree that this series would not be this close.

If all of the players are in their primes already, this would have been a better series. It would be hard to predict because the zone that is containing Lebron will not be effective anymore because you have Allen and Lewis that could light you up beyond the arc. The only problem with their lineup is that I don't think a lot of them can be great role players in their prime.

The Spurs on the other hand would have better chemistry. Other than T-Mac all of their players don't need to have their ball in their hands all the time to be effective. Their 4th best player thrives on coming off the bench and I think ball movement will be more fluid.

With Allen/Lewis/Miller in their prime, LeBron could've played more of a PG role. James would actually dominate even more because if Allen/Lewis/Miller are all shooting threes, the paint would be free for LeBron 24/7. I don't think you even know who Juwan is. He was a top 20 player in his prime. He would certainly give Duncan a tough time.

Lake_Show2416
06-15-2013, 03:35 AM
Parker
T-Mac
Leonard (hasn't reached his prime)
Diaw
Duncan

Sixth Man - Manu

Spurs kill

naps
06-15-2013, 04:18 AM
Lot of people don't remember Ray Allen and Juwan Howard in their primes.

JasonJohnHorn
06-15-2013, 07:35 AM
IF you're lookin' at Big 3 vs. Big 3... the Spurs... I mean, the Spurs, as awesome as they are, are not as good as they were and they got the series even right now. LBJ Wade and Bosh are all playing in their prime years right now, so if their prime years are just keeping pace with the aged Spurs... then it's not really even a conversation.

ragee
06-15-2013, 08:12 AM
With Allen/Lewis/Miller in their prime, LeBron could've played more of a PG role. James would actually dominate even more because if Allen/Lewis/Miller are all shooting threes, the paint would be free for LeBron 24/7. I don't think you even know who Juwan is. He was a top 20 player in his prime. He would certainly give Duncan a tough time.

What did I say in my previous post? Isn't that almost the same as what I said? With shooters like them in their prime, the zone against Lebron isn't going to be as effective. Why do you keep saying people don't know who Juwan Howard? I am a Maverick fan. Of course I know who Juwan Howard is. He played for us before. He wasngood but he is not as good as you are trying to imply. He'll give a prime Duncan a hard time? Oh please.

With regards to Duncan, and maybe even Parker, you can blame Popovich ( but I actually believe he did a good job) for them not averaging more. Its not all always about per game averages. Pop manages their mins well. They don't stay in on blow outs or against teams that they can beat without them logging heavy mins. With addition to that, Spurs play unselfish ball and would rather move the ball around than force it with just one guy. Lastly, pace is another factor. If you have really watched the Spurs, you would notice the difference between thier pace now and before but I don't think you have noticed because you are just using game averages and expect people to just agree with you. Spurs basketball before was all about buring the clock and ball movement. That was why I hate it when my Mavs play against them during the Dirk-Nash days because it was the complete opposite of our strategy.

Becks2307
06-15-2013, 09:20 AM
Duncan Tmac and Parker just compliment each other so well. Not to mention they have Pop.
Prime Tmac is about as good as Lebron. Not in terms of all round game but seriously if they matched up in a series you wouldn't be able to pick between them.

But a prime Tim Duncan just puts this over the top. The Heat players wouldnt strive in their roles imo.

kdspurman
06-15-2013, 10:20 AM
Funny, Duncan 2012-2013 is actually averaging better numbers per minute than prime Duncan. He's fundamentally sound. That means he doesn't rely on quickness or athleticism. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have it. Not saying he's better this season, just saying prime Duncan wasn't that much better. McGrady current to prime transition is the story for Spurs. And no, Howard will make contest Duncan's shots.

What I wanna know is how you guys plan on stopping prime Wade, Lewis, Mike Miller, and Ray Allen?
Wade in his prime was Game 4 Wade.
Lewis/Mike/Allen were lethal from three and could score 15-25 on a given night.

And what year(s) do you consider for prime Duncan? Almost sounds as if you think he's no different than he is now. Like he wasn't very quick in his prime and couldn't cover a lot of ground on the defense end

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 11:49 AM
I

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 11:52 AM
Im taking prime NBA fans vs. prime REFS

And who would you take, prime STERN vs old washed up STERN? or is STERN still in his commissioner prime?

who would I take pre micro TMAC or pre knee injury WADE?

Did the injuries take they prime away or did they just play injured in they prime?

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 11:56 AM
And what year(s) do you consider for prime Duncan? Almost sounds as if you think he's no different than he is now. Like he wasn't very quick in his prime and couldn't cover a lot of ground on the defense end

there is no prime when you are considered best ever at something or top 10 best to ever step on the hardwood

he basically saying the same **** I been spewing on here since inception

you are who you are, and even more since he said old DUNCAN is no worse than this magical man made name called 'prime'

of course he was quicker and covered more area on D as a younger chicken, but he was a DPOY candidate past yr or so, pretty much sounds like the same exact player out of WAKE, just 37yrs old now and not 22yrs old

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 12:02 PM
With Allen/Lewis/Miller in their prime, LeBron could've played more of a PG role. James would actually dominate even more because if Allen/Lewis/Miller are all shooting threes, the paint would be free for LeBron 24/7. I don't think you even know who Juwan is. He was a top 20 player in his prime. He would certainly give Duncan a tough time.

a 22yr old DUNCAN would own JUWAN
a 37yr old DUNCAN owned 3x DPOY in HOWARD(JUWAN's cousin)
a 25yr old DUNCAN would own JUWAN
a 28 yr old DUNCAN would and so on and on

JUWAN was a top 20 player for a what 3-5yr stretch(Im being nice and laughing like hell at same time)? signed a ridiculous J JOHNSON back In the day type contract

DUNCAN is considered to be best ever at a position, and some have him top 10 best players to ever do it

he would destroy anybody on the block that's a non top 10 big man alltime

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 12:05 PM
prime RED or prime LARRY BROWN?

prime DALE SR or prime JIMMY J?

prime STOCKTON or prime KIDD?

prime FDR or prime JFK or prime BUSH or prime OBAMA?

prime TACOS or prime BBQ?

prime WATER or prime COCA COLA?

RLundi
06-15-2013, 12:27 PM
Some people here really don't know how good Juwan was. Oh yeah, prime Wade? He did what he did in game 4 DAILY.

And yet McGrady was still better.

Spurs > Heat

No one could touch Duncan on the bereft-of-size Miami Heat.

winthegame
06-15-2013, 12:28 PM
Easily Spurs. Not even close.

Duncan in 2003- :worthy:

king4day
06-15-2013, 12:42 PM
Would be a great series. T-Mac in his prime is comparable to Wade in terms of what he'd do for the Spurs.

But same goes for Allen on the Heat. Lewis wasn't too shabby himself.

Reason I go Spurs is because we are seeing the Heat big 3 in their primes now and it's close. While the Spurs are mostly past their prime (save for Parker maybe)

3RDASYSTEM
06-15-2013, 12:43 PM
Lot of people don't remember Ray Allen and Juwan Howard in their primes.

RAY ALLEN been a dead eye sniper out of UCONN

the alltime 3 pt leader

HOWARD is more known for his MICH fab 5 fame and signing a ridiculous JJOHNSON style contract back then and being a solid player, a lot of people don't remember non legendary players, ALLEN is more legendary than not, one of my favs alltime since UCONN, same game and was underrated at putting it on the floor, he could hop a little in his younger times, or i'll just stick to the psd script and call it his 'prime'

they have been overpaying players since the beginning of sports time and been having super teams in the 60's and 70's and 80's and going back, history will always repeat with a minor tweak, they are not really creative at all

Dade County
06-15-2013, 01:27 PM
It would be a great series...

How would the Spurs deal with Prime Wade constantly attaching the rim; Duncan or whoever is playing Center and whoever is guarding Wade, would be in foul trouble every game of the series.

Duncan would own down in the block of course...

I say this series goes 5 or 6 games to Miami.

HEAT just have too much fire power.

SugeKnight
06-15-2013, 01:41 PM
Prime Spurs wouldn't have made it out of the first round...

SugeKnight
06-15-2013, 01:43 PM
prime RED or prime LARRY BROWN?

prime DALE SR or prime JIMMY J?

prime STOCKTON or prime KIDD?

prime FDR or prime JFK or prime BUSH or prime OBAMA?

prime TACOS or prime BBQ?

prime WATER or prime COCA COLA?

Red, Dale Sr, Stockton, FDR, BBQ, Coca Cola

HYFR
06-15-2013, 04:46 PM
Well lebron/bosh are right smack in the middle of their primes and wade is at the tail end of his and this series is very competitive. I would have to say the spurs but its oh sooooo close! Would be great

OceanSpray
06-15-2013, 07:10 PM
Guys, we are talking about in a series. Starting lineup for Miami:

C: Chris Bosh
PF: Juwan Howard
SF: LeBron James
SG: Dwyane Wade
PG: Mario Chalmers

Bench---
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Mike Miller
Shane Battier

Spurs

C: Splitter
PF: Tim Duncan
SG: Ginobili
PG: Parker
SF: McGrady

Bench:
Green
Diaw
Leonard

Your bench isn't worth mentioning compared to Miami's.

When Miami's starters sit out, how do you plan on stopping Ray Allen? 25+ PPG in his prime.
Rashard Lewis, 22 PPG.
Mike Miller, 18 PPG.

JordansBulls
06-16-2013, 10:13 AM
Guys, we are talking about in a series. Starting lineup for Miami:

C: Chris Bosh
PF: Juwan Howard
SF: LeBron James
SG: Dwyane Wade
PG: Mario Chalmers

Bench---
Ray Allen
Rashard Lewis
Mike Miller
Shane Battier

Spurs

C: Splitter
PF: Tim Duncan
SG: Ginobili
PG: Parker
SF: McGrady

Bench:
Green
Diaw
Leonard

Your bench isn't worth mentioning compared to Miami's.

When Miami's starters sit out, how do you plan on stopping Ray Allen? 25+ PPG in his prime.
Rashard Lewis, 22 PPG.
Mike Miller, 18 PPG.

I'm quite sure Duncan would be the Center if Bosh is playing Center. Probably start Diaw at PF to spread the floor at PF.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2013, 12:41 PM
Spurs in 6 no doubt. Tmac>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade and Allen both at his absolute peak. Duncan is a top 10 player all time and shows up in the clutch more than Lebron. Manu was a legit perennial all star SG and if younger, with bigger minutes would kill Miami.

Parker
Ginobili
McGrady
Duncan

vs

Wade
Allen
Lebron
Bosh

Are the perennial all stars on each team and I think Spurs cream Miami. Miami has absolutely NOBODY to contest Duncan.... where as the Spurs have guys at least capable of slowing Lebron such as Kahwi.

Heediot
06-16-2013, 12:51 PM
Prime Spurs.

Duncan, Manu and Leonard in their prime? Plus T-Mac in his prime?

Heediot
06-16-2013, 12:53 PM
Prime Heat

Just imagine what Wade did tonight but 10x better.

Him and Bron are too ball dominant to be both super high scoring and effective usage wise. Bron will negate his impact even with a Prime Wade.

Heediot
06-16-2013, 12:56 PM
They have no answer for Duncan in his prime. He'll eat them inside for lunch. They already have trouble with Dominant bigs now. Add in T-Mac and Manu's all around game. They are more balanced.

If the Heat replace one of their stud 2's Allen/Wade (especially Wade, a prime Allen would match Bron so well) for an interior threat then maybe we could talk.

Clippersfan86
06-16-2013, 01:02 PM
They have no answer for Duncan in his prime. He'll eat them inside for lunch. They already have trouble with Dominant bigs now. Add in T-Mac and Manu's all around game. They are more balanced.

If the Heat replace one of their stud 2's Allen/Wade (especially Wade, a prime Allen would match Bron so well) for an interior threat then maybe we could talk.

Agree. A lot of redundancy on the Heat and ZERO answer for Duncan. If Hibbert destroys you.. prime Duncan is averaging 30/14/3/3/2 in a series against the weak, small bigs they have.

Heediot
06-16-2013, 01:16 PM
Agree. A lot of redundancy on the Heat and ZERO answer for Duncan. If Hibbert destroys you.. prime Duncan is averaging 30/14/3/3/2 in a series against the weak, small bigs they have.

People are sleeping on Leonard's potential as well. He is going to be a top 5 perimeter defender easily with the ability to be deadly from range and be a solid scoring option.

All you need is a 9 man rotation with people knowing their roles. You have more than enough guys that can create their shot. Even if you have more talent, especially redudant talent there is only so many minutes to go around.

240 Mins

Parker 35
TMac 35
Leonard 30
Duncan 35
Diaw 35

Ginobli 35
Neal 10 (TMac and Ginibli will be handling the ball more, so it give the Spurs versatility).
Splitter 25

Green and Bonner are 3 Point specialist. Green can log in minutes when needed as well.

Heediot
06-16-2013, 01:28 PM
I guess some people forget how good Juwan Howard was back in his prime... Also, Ray Allen too? T-Mac in his prime was not as good as Wade in 08-09.. Also, T-Mac in his prime wasn't even close to LeBron now.

Hehad one great year and a few above average years. His image has been bloated by that awful Contract the Bullets gave him.

Heediot
06-16-2013, 01:31 PM
Prime Parker is clearly better than prime Wade. Prime LeBron is clearly better than Prime Duncan. Manu and Bosh is a wash. Allen off the bench gives the Heat the edge.

Trolling at its finest.

FYL_McVeezy
06-16-2013, 01:47 PM
Heat fans are severely underrating a prime TMac here......

In his prime he was top 3 in the game...

Dade County
06-16-2013, 02:17 PM
Heat fans are severely underrating a prime TMac here......

In his prime he was top 3 in the game...

But what about the HEAT bench over a 7 game series? What about Wade getting everyone + the coach in foul trouble.

Prime Ray & Lewis coming off the bench, with Mike Miller!

Does anywhere actually think that Duncan will not get into foul trouble against a prime Wade, attacking play after play after play? It's just the way it is, don't blame me blame stern & refs or should i say Jordan... He started the super star foul calling.

FYL_McVeezy
06-16-2013, 04:03 PM
But what about the HEAT bench over a 7 game series? What about Wade getting everyone + the coach in foul trouble.

Prime Ray & Lewis coming off the bench, with Mike Miller!

Does anywhere actually think that Duncan will not get into foul trouble against a prime Wade, attacking play after play after play? It's just the way it is, don't blame me blame stern & refs or should i say Jordan... He started the super star foul calling.

Yeah it got ridiculous in the 06 finals with the foul calls.....but fire power from prime Ginobili +TMac would put up a great fight against MIA and the refs....

mrblisterdundee
06-16-2013, 05:18 PM
Oh my dear lord: A prime Tracy McGrady versus LeBron James. That's a hard one to call with all the marquee matchups, but I give Miami the edge, with Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Juwan Howard, Mike Miller and Shane Battier all in their primes. That might as well be the U.S. Olympic team, with James and Chris Bosh added.

mrblisterdundee
06-16-2013, 05:22 PM
Would love to see a Tmac/Manu SG/SF vs Wade/Lebron

I would keep Manu on the bench and start with McGrady and Leonard against Wade and James. Leonard's already a better defender than McGrady was.

mrblisterdundee
06-16-2013, 05:25 PM
heat would win, prime wade/allen/lewis/miller along with bosh and lebron is just too much to handle. the spurs would be damn good too though. heat would also get riley to coach.

He didn't say you get to change coaches. The Heat are still coached by Spoelstra, who's vastly inferior to Popovich. Live with it.

chitownredbulls
06-16-2013, 05:49 PM
Easy....spurs....why argue? It's a "team" sport and look at them old as hell but still dominating....

ManRam
06-16-2013, 05:58 PM
Man, this is a tough one.

On one hand: prime T-Mac!?!?! That would make a world of difference. As would a great Manu. Duncan obviously would be a good deal better too.

The Heat have more over-the-hill players though. Allen and Lewis obviously were bonafide all-stars. Battier, Howard and Miller would all be drastically better than they are now. Wade and Bosh aren't having years that you'd label their "prime right now.


It would be a lot of fun. T-Mac's prime matched with Duncan's just has me salivating. And to think it almost happened :(

chitownredbulls
06-16-2013, 06:06 PM
On a side note, spurs have a couple quality players that aren't even in their primes yet......lets talk about this again in 10 years lol

Lake_Show2416
06-16-2013, 06:10 PM
Duncan would b unstoppable + a prime T-Mac, they would dominate

Raps18-19 Champ
06-16-2013, 06:59 PM
C-Bosh
PF-Lewis
SF-Lebron
SG-Allen
PG-Wade

C-Duncan
PF-Diaw
SF-McGrady
SG-Manu
PG-Parker

I'd lean towards McGrady just because a prime Duncan would terrorize Bosh.

kingofdaburbs19
06-16-2013, 07:23 PM
It sounds like everybody is forgetting how great Ray Allen was in his prime. Carried a weak Seattle team to over 50 wins, helped the BUCKS get to the ECF (got cheated out of going to the finals) a starting backcourt of D-Wade and him would be virtually unstoppable. It would be a great series but I would say Heat in 6

mrblisterdundee
06-16-2013, 08:52 PM
C-Bosh
PF-Lewis
SF-Lebron
SG-Allen
PG-Wade

C-Duncan
PF-Diaw
SF-McGrady
SG-Manu
PG-Parker

I'd lean towards McGrady just because a prime Duncan would terrorize Bosh.

I think I'd bench a couple of those guys. Ginobili is better off the bench to keep the pace up. A prime Howard is better at power forward. And Splitter is always better at center than Diaw and would be better to guard Bosh.

PG - Wade
SG - Allen
SF - James
PF - Howard
C - Bosh

PG - Parker
SG - McGrady
SF - Leonard
PF - Duncan
C - Splitter