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xnick5757
06-01-2013, 09:22 PM
Now at first thought, this sounds like a crazy idea. Amnesty the man who has been the face of the franchise for the past decade? Crazy talk!

But when you break it down and look at the facts, it starts to make sense.


1.) Kobe will be 35 during next year's NBA season, and he just tore his Achilles. There's no guarantee that he will be anything close to the player he was, between Father Time and the injury.

2.) Kobe is on the books for $30,453,805 dollars next season. That's 30 million that can be put to better use next season.

3.) Amnestying Kobe puts the Lakers at $47,177,230 (about 11 million under the cap).


The Lakers have always been about winning, and amnestying Kobe gives them mobility to secure their future for the next five years or so.

The next step for them, after amnestying Kobe, would be to find a trade partner for Gasol (or Nash, or MWP). Trading any of those 3 frees up enough cap space for the next step in the process which is:


Signing Chris Paul to a max deal. They would have enough cap space to do this assuming a Kobe amnesty and a trade of one of MVP/Nash/Gasol.

Now you might be wondering, what about Dwight? Signing Paul means no Howard, right?

No. This is where it gets tricky. So long as Paul signs before Howard does, the Lakers can sign both of them to max deals, because they own Howard's bird rights.

This would give them a core of Paul/Howard to build around for the next 4/5 years, which is certainly more appealing than a Kobe/??? core.

The other aspect of this is that come the 2015-16 season (when Lebron and company can opt out of their deals), the Lakers would only have Paul/Howard under contract, and (assuming the cap goes up a bit), would have enough space to add in James to that duo.


Now I realize this is all hypothetical, and won't happen in the real world because of who Kobe is. But do you agree that it makes the most sense, purely from a basketball standpoint, for the Lakers to amnesty Kobe? I'm interested to see your responses.

sep11ie
06-01-2013, 09:41 PM
Hi dead horse, this guy would like to beat you now...

Ty Fast
06-01-2013, 09:47 PM
yes. then he could sign with the heat.

*Superman*
06-01-2013, 09:55 PM
Won't happen even if it is logical.

Tysons_Beard
06-01-2013, 10:07 PM
yes

will it happen, no

ManRam
06-01-2013, 10:15 PM
that's asking for way too many things to go right to justify paying a fan favorite $30M to NOT play for them...

it won't happen, and i actually think it shouldn't. again, that's a lot of money to just waste.

Hawkeye15
06-01-2013, 10:17 PM
it will never happen

xnick5757
06-01-2013, 10:20 PM
that's asking for way too many things to go right to justify paying a fan favorite $30M to NOT play for them...

it won't happen, and i actually think it shouldn't. again, that's a lot of money to just waste.

Don't you think it gives them a better future though? Even if they don't sign a guy like Paul, its still 11 million that can be spent elsewhere

Hellcrooner
06-01-2013, 10:22 PM
Dude, you need to check the CBA.

Lakers would only be able to sign cp3 if they Amensty kobe + Trade pau for NOTHING ( future pick)+Artest declines his player option.

ManRam
06-01-2013, 10:33 PM
Don't you think it gives them a better future though? Even if they don't sign a guy like Paul, its still 11 million that can be spent elsewhere

if dwight leaves and they skip out on paul, they might as well use it as a rebuilding season. look to maybe somehow move nash. see if they can move pau or artest for anything. and tank. and tank hard. bring kobe back for cheap and make a splash in 2014 FA.

trying to stay afloat right now probably isn't gonna do it. not sure it's worth it.


your plan, while perhaps possible, is for all intents and purposes impossible. it's just not gonna happen.

lakerboy
06-01-2013, 10:36 PM
Kobe will be back by training camp, book it.

Also, Lakers are the biggest free agent players next summer, 2014. Kobe and everybody else is an expiring contract. If they don't get Dwight back, we have only $9M in salary for 2014. No need to amnesty anybody.

Lake_Show2416
06-01-2013, 10:37 PM
should the Lakers amnesty 1 of the top 2 money getters for their team in the NBA whos still playing at a high level, simple answer: hell no! this isnt a video game

HYFR
06-01-2013, 10:44 PM
Should they? Eh it would make financial sense but it just will never happen. He means to much to that franchise.

gatkins11
06-01-2013, 10:53 PM
Amnesty that!

riconek
06-01-2013, 10:56 PM
Now at first thought, this sounds like a crazy idea. Amnesty the man who has been the face of the franchise for the past decade? Crazy talk!


No. This is where it gets tricky. So long as Paul signs before Howard does, the Lakers can sign both of them to max deals, because they own Howard's bird rights.



i dont think they can do that. you can not sign FA and use Bird rights to sign player

Chuck Taylor
06-02-2013, 02:16 AM
Dude, you need to check the CBA.

Lakers would only be able to sign cp3 if they Amensty kobe + Trade pau for NOTHING ( future pick)+Artest declines his player option.

How can they trade Pau for nothing? Don't the salaries have to match?

Kevj77
06-02-2013, 02:20 AM
Signing Chris Paul to a max deal. They would have enough cap space to do this assuming a Kobe amnesty and a trade of one of MVP/Nash/Gasol.

Now you might be wondering, what about Dwight? Signing Paul means no Howard, right?

No. This is where it gets tricky. So long as Paul signs before Howard does, the Lakers can sign both of them to max deals, because they own Howard's bird rights.
I don't think it works like that. Wouldn't they have to renounce their bird rights to Howard to get under the cap? You can't get around the cap in that way.


Although a team like the Cavaliers has only committed about $28.5MM in guaranteed money to player salaries for 2012/13, that doesn't mean Cleveland will have $30MM to spend on free agents. Each of the Cavs' own free agents will be assigned a free agent amount or "cap hold" until the player signs a new contract or has his rights renounced by the team.

The following criteria are used for determining the amount of a free agent's cap hold:
•First-round pick coming off rookie contract: 250% of previous salary if prior salary was below league average; 200% of previous salary if prior salary was above league average
•Bird player: 190% of previous salary (if below average) or 150% (if above average)
•Early Bird player: 130% of previous salary
•Non-Bird player: 120% of previous salary
•Minimum-salary player: Portion of minimum salary not reimbursed by the league

In the case of a Cavalier free agent like Anthony Parker, the cap hold this summer will be $4.275MM -- because Parker will have Bird rights, his free agent amount is calculated by taking 190% of this year's $2.25MM salary.

Cap holds cannot exceed the player's maximum salary. So while the Cavs' Antawn Jamison has Bird rights like Parker, his free agent amount is not calculated in the same way. 150% of Jamison's $15.08MM 2011/12 salary would exceed his maximum salary, so his cap hold will be worth the max-salary for a player with 10+ years of NBA experience -- likely $18MM+.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2012/05/cap-holds.html

That was from an article last year about the Cavs, but it explains cap holds well. A cap hold is 150% of the previous salary for bird rights player, but it can't exceed the max. So Howard has a max contract cap hold. They can't wait to sign Howard and use the cap space to sign CP3 to a max deal.

Kevj77
06-02-2013, 02:23 AM
How can they trade Pau for nothing? Don't the salaries have to match?Not if they trade Gasol to a team with enough cap space to take his contract. Otherwise, yes it has to match I believe.

Chuck Taylor
06-02-2013, 02:36 AM
......so maybe Utah. They'll have no center and the Pau's expiring might be enticing.

I would only amnesty Kobe if he requests it publicly, even if the Lakers ask him to do it.

Then beg MWP to retire....haha

shep33
06-02-2013, 02:49 AM
Nah. It won't help us in any way really.

Pau still making 20 mill Metta at 7, Hilll 4, Blake 4, Nash 9

That's 44 mill right there.

Chuck Taylor
06-02-2013, 02:58 AM
nah to what exactly?

Chuck Taylor
06-02-2013, 03:00 AM
Do you guys think we cansign and trade Howard to Atlanta if it seems like he's gonna go there anyway?

Thinkin' maybe we could get Horford in return as they might wanna eliminate some cap space as they sign D12, CP3, and Josh

shep33
06-02-2013, 03:15 AM
nah to what exactly?

I edited my post, but basically, amnestying Kobe doesn't do anything for us. Still have limited cap room, and there is no one out there to sign. Why would CP3 want to leave Blake and the guys on the Clips for Pau, Nash, and Metta?

Moreover, if you amnesty him, that sends a bad message to potential players coming on board. Plus the fan base ges pissed off.

smith&wesson
06-02-2013, 03:16 AM
Ya lets amnesty Kobe so he can sign with another contender that would be a smart move. teams only use the amnesty if they can't move a player/co tract. What makes you guys think Kobe is untradable ?

YoungOne
06-02-2013, 04:02 AM
No. This is where it gets tricky. So long as Paul signs before Howard does, the Lakers can sign both of them to max deals, because they own Howard's bird rights.


thats not gonna work under the rules of the cba, because there is a thing called cap holds

TrueFan420
06-02-2013, 04:50 AM
How can they trade Pau for nothing? Don't the salaries have to match?

If the team taking Pau has cap space but that's not happening

TrueFan420
06-02-2013, 04:51 AM
Ya lets amnesty Kobe so he can sign with another contender that would be a smart move. teams only use the amnesty if they can't move a player/co tract. What makes you guys think Kobe is untradable ?
Well I believe he has a no trade clause and at 30 mill that's a lot of money and would need to take some contracts back even if the team their trading him to has cap space

amos1er
06-02-2013, 05:16 AM
You don't amnesty a guy who aside from Magic Johnson, has done the most for your franchise.

xnick5757
06-02-2013, 10:48 AM
thats not gonna work under the rules of the cba, because there is a thing called cap holds


yeah I completely forgot about the cap holds! It would work if they traded Pau+, though

RaiderLakersA's
06-02-2013, 11:27 AM
Amnesty Kobe? It's too early for this. Let the man at least try to come back from his Achilles. He deserves that much, considering everything that he's done to keep the Lakers as one of the top winning and top revenue grossing franchises in the NBA.