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BenFrank
05-30-2013, 06:51 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--houston-rockets-trying-to-trade-thomas-robinson-to-free-up-cap-space-for-run-at-dwight-howard-215915027.html


The Rockets have made clear to multiple rival teams that they plan to accept the best offer to move Robinson and eliminate his $3.52 million salary for the 2013-14 season.

Without Robinson's salary, the Rockets will have the space to offer Howard a maximum deal starting at approximately $20.5 million a season.

Who ends up getting him?? being traded twice before your rookie season is up, gotta be tuff.. but I see him with a lot of potential and might blossom one of these years..

kenzo400
05-30-2013, 06:57 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--houston-rockets-trying-to-trade-thomas-robinson-to-free-up-cap-space-for-run-at-dwight-howard-215915027.html



Who ends up getting him?? being traded twice before your rookie season is up, gotta be tuff.. but I see him with a lot of potential and might blossom one of these years..

I would love for the Raptors to get him. I'm not really sure what they could offer though. I wouldn't be too crazy about giving up next years draft pick (although it should be out of the lottery)

I also think teams are giving up on him to easily. He definitely needs to develop an offensive game, but he already has a pretty good defensive presence. He could potentially be a better version of David West in a few years.

bucketss
05-30-2013, 06:58 PM
is something wrong with him? id trade john lucas the turd and second rounder.

Tony_Starks
05-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Dumb move. Especially if its strictly to gamble on Howard. The Lakers can still pay him more and if he re-signs you just away a promising young player.

Raidaz4Life
05-30-2013, 07:06 PM
Big gamble on the part of the Rockets. Plus why would a team offer a whole lot when the Rockets are clearly not interested in the return.

BenFrank
05-30-2013, 07:08 PM
Yea, I'm thinking it's to bet it all on Howard.. but sometimes those are chances you have to take! I think Robinson would be good on the Bulls, Celtics, Pacers, Raptors..


Sidenote: This could also mean, Rockets have a lot of faith in Terrance Jones! Can't keep all those PF's

RiceOnTheRun
05-30-2013, 07:17 PM
It's definitely a bit risky, no matter how you look at it, if he's a top 5 pick he has to have some potential.

If they do land Howard, it definitely makes them a lot better though. I really do think Howard's going to go to Houston, but who knows what he's thinking.

DDynO
05-30-2013, 07:20 PM
We should at least give him a full year to prove his worth. I'm not really feeling this move.

Raidaz4Life
05-30-2013, 07:21 PM
It's definitely a bit risky, no matter how you look at it, if he's a top 5 pick he has to have some potential.

If they do land Howard, it definitely makes them a lot better though. I really do think Howard's going to go to Houston, but who knows what he's thinking.

See I'm the total opposite, I honestly think Howard is going to stay in LA... if for no other reason than trying to repair his image. I can't see him wanting to burn two fan bases in 1 year all for Houston which may or may not work out.

Houston is going all in here for a piece that I don't really view as necessary for them. They are going to keep getting better whereas teams like Dallas, LA, and soon to be San Antonio are on the decline.

RipCity32
05-30-2013, 07:27 PM
Pistons should move in on this.

Monroe/Drummond/Robinson rotation would be pretty nice.

RipCity32
05-30-2013, 07:27 PM
Double post

Hawkeye15
05-30-2013, 07:30 PM
would love to know if a top 5 pick was ever traded twice within a year of him signing his original deal

JEDean89
05-30-2013, 07:30 PM
if the rockets do it, they can't get anything in return. they would probably want a 2nd rounder or someone who makes the minimum because this is purely about cap space. or maybe they would want a future 1st rounder. i would love for my nuggets to offer next years 1st and 2nd rounder for him. we need a big PF who can play inside against other bigs. faried is awesome, but he has a hard time against perimiter bigs and pau gasol style PF's that are just too tall for him.

HeaTxRipZz
05-30-2013, 07:33 PM
T-Rob will be a very good player once he develops. It's a shame he keeps getting moved. Hopefully someone who can use him will make the deal. He would be great on a team like Philly or the Bucks. Somewhere he can run some PNR plays. He can also handle the ball pretty well too

YoungOne
05-30-2013, 07:37 PM
well its not like they are short on PF's

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
05-30-2013, 07:40 PM
Come to Otown t-rob.... play down low with vuc

sjbirds
05-30-2013, 07:41 PM
I bet the 6ers get in on this since our new gm came from hou

mdm692
05-30-2013, 07:41 PM
The worst of LA's 2015 pick or Suns.

htownlegend
05-30-2013, 07:45 PM
I like TRob, not a big fan of trading him, nothings wrong with him, we just need the cap space. Can we make someone take White, too?

waveycrockett
05-30-2013, 07:48 PM
So dumb. Odds are very good they won't get Dwight and giving up on a guy with a lot of potential

mdm692
05-30-2013, 07:48 PM
I like TRob, not a big fan of trading him, nothings wrong with him, we just need the cap space. Can we make someone take White, too? Greyhound??

bleedprple&gold
05-30-2013, 09:17 PM
Not that this is out there that the Rockets are trying to move him and want to take back zero salary, teams are going to lowball them. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

xxplayerxx23
05-30-2013, 09:21 PM
I want him :(

Blink
05-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Come on Joe D get in to Detroit!

SeoulBeatz
05-30-2013, 09:48 PM
I bet the 6ers get in on this since our new gm came from hou

this would be a smart move for the sixers.... which means it won't happen.

TrueFan420
05-30-2013, 09:49 PM
Not that this is out there that the Rockets are trying to move him and want to take back zero salary, teams are going to lowball them. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

Someone will give up a first but it will be a mid to late one

sep11ie
05-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Morey will still find a way to rape a GM that thinks he's low balling Morey.

sep11ie
05-30-2013, 09:50 PM
Someone will give up a first but it will be a mid to late one

It's going to have to be a future 1st.

robtncqe
05-30-2013, 09:58 PM
The Lakers can still pay him more and if he re-signs you just away a promising young player.http://www.gqrg.info/5j1.jpg

j-bay
05-30-2013, 10:07 PM
I think the best thing for him would be come home to DC.

TheNumber37
05-30-2013, 10:20 PM
could they trade him for a draft pick that they don't sign until AFTER getting Howard . that would be an okay move...

Thomas Rob for Camby and a pick. Camby retires...

king4day
05-30-2013, 10:30 PM
Hope the Suns make a play for him. If not us, then Charlotte.

bholly
05-30-2013, 10:50 PM
Not that this is out there that the Rockets are trying to move him and want to take back zero salary, teams are going to lowball them. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting traded for a 2nd round draft pick.

Why? That only makes sense if only one team thinks he's worth more than that and can lowball them. If multiple teams think he's worth more then they'll bid against eachother until one is giving up more than the others think he's worth (or more than they can give up).
No team is going to say "well, we would've given up a first, but now we know they're desperate we're only going to give up a second, even if it means someone else outbids us and we don't get him at all".


could they trade him for a draft pick that they don't sign until AFTER getting Howard . that would be an okay move...

Thomas Rob for Camby and a pick. Camby retires...

First rounders count towards the cap even before you sign them.

LongWayFromHome
05-30-2013, 11:09 PM
If they are hoping to trade him for $0 return the pick will have to be 2014 or later and the trade partner will have to be under the cap.

DreamShaker
05-30-2013, 11:11 PM
Again? Im tired of waiting on Howard and getting rid of valuable assets just to accomodate this clown.

Asik's better
05-30-2013, 11:17 PM
Trobb was gonna struggle to get time houston anyway. He is stuck behind dmo, smith and jones. And in all honestly, I see Jones being a better player anyway.

soundjunkies2
05-30-2013, 11:20 PM
I could see them taking a 2nd rounder for him. A 1st rounder will cost them money in a guaranteed contract while a 2nd isn't guaranteed. Or like someone said, a first pick.

DerekRE_3
05-30-2013, 11:24 PM
Dumb move. Especially if its strictly to gamble on Howard. The Lakers can still pay him more and if he re-signs you just away a young player.

fixed

kenzo400
05-30-2013, 11:26 PM
I could see them taking a 2nd rounder for him. A 1st rounder will cost them money in a guaranteed contract while a 2nd isn't guaranteed. Or like someone said, a first pick.

Unless restrictions are placed, you can always trade that first rounder for cash.

Sandman
05-30-2013, 11:56 PM
for marcus camby, marcus retires

Sandman
05-30-2013, 11:57 PM
could they trade him for a draft pick that they don't sign until AFTER getting Howard . that would be an okay move...

Thomas Rob for Camby and a pick. Camby retires...
dammit

3RDASYSTEM
05-31-2013, 12:26 AM
I couldn't imagine a true franchise top 5 pick getting moved this freely ever in history of league this early in career

BULLS-SPURS-ATL and if it wasn't for trying to shed cap space then HOU and a few more squads

you got to have game to survive in the league, or be a specialist at something

he's not making the cut right now but he's in the league for a reason

Raps18-19 Champ
05-31-2013, 12:34 AM
Want the Raptors to be the team to get him but since we don't have a GM right now, it'll be unlikely. Don't think we have space either.

bholly
05-31-2013, 12:39 AM
There is just about no chance he gets moved for literally nothing. Especially huge lol at a retiring Marcus Camby straight up for TRob.
Just 3 months ago he cost the Rockets Patterson, Douglas, Aldrich and they had to take on $6.5m of Garcia and Honeycutt, and people still were amazed at how cheap it was. Do you really think 3 months later no GM is going to outbid literally nothing? Not even a top 55 protected second rounder, or something else that's worth almost (but not quite) zero? Come on.

BigEric
05-31-2013, 12:57 AM
Robinson to the Kings for Pat Patterson!

Oh wait..

KniCks4LiFe
05-31-2013, 01:06 AM
what do the Roxs want for him? I'd take him on my Knicks and develop him.

OceanSpray
05-31-2013, 01:07 AM
Houston needs Kevin Love.

IversonIsKrazy
05-31-2013, 01:22 AM
Seems like more of a salary-dump type of trade, like a first rounder. Would be nice to see him develop under Spurs coaching and organization.

JLynn943
05-31-2013, 01:31 AM
There is just about no chance he gets moved for literally nothing. Especially huge lol at a retiring Marcus Camby straight up for TRob.
Just 3 months ago he cost the Rockets Patterson, Douglas, Aldrich and they had to take on $6.5m of Garcia and Honeycutt, and people still were amazed at how cheap it was. Do you really think 3 months later no GM is going to outbid literally nothing? Not even a top 55 protected second rounder, or something else that's worth almost (but not quite) zero? Come on.

I agree. It won't be for nothing. But, if the Rockets are letting it be known they are looking to trade him, they lose some leverage. Also, when Robinson came into the league, scouts touted him as NBA ready and as having a number of post moves to go to, yet he (at least in Sacramento) looked really raw instead. He looked more like an athletic, undersized, unpolished project player than an NBA-ready player. Maybe teams are seeing that now and are less sold on him. I certainly think he still has a lot of potential, but he's definitely not what he was made out to be.

Also makes me feel a bit better about trading him to the Rockets in the first place.

JasonJohnHorn
05-31-2013, 02:57 AM
Well... if they can get a high pick for him... why not... saves them some space and gets them a pick.

Stunner
05-31-2013, 04:03 AM
Bulls have a TPE they can trade for him .

RollingWave
05-31-2013, 04:29 AM
Houston probably take something like a mid to late first round or early 2nd rounder for him at this point. not ideal, but when you have a more than 10% shot at a Dwight Howard type guy you have to take it. And looking at their cap Robinson's the only guy that they can trade away who didn't contribute seriously this year, the alternative would be to move 3 other rookie which is even less ideal.

Now, one should note that this is contingent on the cap not going up that much, if it goes into the 60+ range then they might have other options.

The book on him this year was that he was insanely raw on the offensive end of the game, he couldn't finish, don't have much of a jumper, and can't even hit free throws . not only that, but he compounded the matter considerably by taking a lot of shots when he's on the floor (11+ per 36) he ended up "producing" the 9th worse offensive winshare this year , only saved by the likes of Michael Beasly and Austin Rivers, Avery Bradly etc..

Defensively, he was pretty solid for a rookie big, he's fast and while a bit undersized, is built well and won't get pushed around in the paint, he also rebounded pretty well, at a rate that's similar to an average center.

Now, there is certainly hope to salvage his game , seeing that Omer Asik shot almost as badly last year (but certainly didn't take it nearly as much), and the Rockets somehow made Chandler Parsons a scorer, but it's certainly a scary proposition, a chuck happy PF that can't even hit free throws?

Another worry that people keep in mind is that.. yes raw players often develops... except that often also happens after they're rookie contract is up , which renders it moot for the team that draft / develop them. Shawn Bradley is an example of this, he actually was pretty good by his later 20s, except that did the Sixers no good.

At the end of the day, if they had Robinson on a 1M type of deal, they're sure to develop him further, but with the combination of cap consideration, how far he is from being able to contribute, and where they are in the team trajectory, it's not a shocker to see this sort of move.

Of course, if Dwight changes his mind for the million time and/or the cap goes up a lot further than expected, this changes too.

naps
05-31-2013, 04:33 AM
Well, do it Rockets if it means Howard is coming. I can almost picture a team of Lin-Harden-Parsons-Asik?-Howard. This would be one hell of a team. Finally, we'll probably see the Howard of Orlando Magic once he's in a better team environment where he can actually have plays drawn for him, not just wait for put backs from tons of missed shots of a shooting guard, and can get what he actually deserves that is 15+ FGA.

UPRock
05-31-2013, 05:51 AM
Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington, Dallas and the Spurs should be all over him.

RollingWave
05-31-2013, 06:21 AM
Spurs would be an interesting proposition, Atlanta maybe.. certainly cap room, but they might hold out for the hope of CP3/ Dwight however small that might be, Washington ... doable but would depend a bit on the status of Ariza or Okafor, Bob Cats are obviously doable in theory, but man... between MKG and T-Rob I think Kemba Walker is going to go insane.

KingstonHawke
05-31-2013, 08:31 AM
Thomas Robinson is going to get a few GMs fired for passing up on him. This kid can play.

ldawg
05-31-2013, 08:58 AM
wrong forum sorry

koreancabbage
05-31-2013, 09:12 AM
Well... if they can get a high pick for him... why not... saves them some space and gets them a pick.

it would have to be a future pick for sure.

they don't even want a first rounder cuz that is a financial commitment they can't afford if they are trying to get Dwight.

DerekRE_3
05-31-2013, 11:10 AM
Thomas Robinson is going to get a few GMs fired for passing up on him. This kid can play.

When's the last time you saw him play? He has zero post game and doesn't have much of a mid range game, though he thinks he does. He gives good effort, but he's a tweener and has a lot of skills to develop on the offensive end. Defensively he wasn't that impressive either.

Robbw241
05-31-2013, 11:28 AM
Thought he would be a bust when he entered the league. Opinion hasn't changed

True Sports Fan
05-31-2013, 12:09 PM
I'd love if the Kings traded something like a second round pick this year and trade a future protected first if needed. The first would have to be dealt after the pick goes to Cavs though.

Pattersonj/Robinson
Cousins/Thompson

Love that frontcourt.

DerekRE_3
05-31-2013, 12:30 PM
I'd love if the Kings traded something like a second round pick this year and trade a future protected first if needed. The first would have to be dealt after the pick goes to Cavs though.

Pattersonj/Robinson
Cousins/Thompson

Love that frontcourt.

Kings can't trade a future 1st rounder because they currently owe a lottery protected 1st to the Cavaliers.

bleedprple&gold
05-31-2013, 12:47 PM
Well, do it Rockets if it means Howard is coming. I can almost picture a team of Lin-Harden-Parsons-Asik?-Howard. This would be one hell of a team. Finally, we'll probably see the Howard of Orlando Magic once he's in a better team environment where he can actually have plays drawn for him, not just wait for put backs from tons of missed shots of a shooting guard, and can get what he actually deserves that is 15+ FGA.

Nice cheap shot at Kobe. Kobe missed 10.9 FG per game this last season, Harden missed 9.6 FG per game. Wow Kobe missed 1 more shot per game big ****ing difference

Lo Porto
05-31-2013, 01:02 PM
The Jazz could trade #21 for Robinson. Seems like a fair deal. Houston would save $2.4+ million on the deal yet still get something of value for Robinson.

GSRaider
05-31-2013, 01:03 PM
Warriors have a 4.1mill trade excepetion.

I think he'd be a solid fit on the Warriors.

fredv
05-31-2013, 01:57 PM
Smart move by the fo to shop him early and avoid a Beasley situation. Most likely gone to the east for future 1st. Kid has real defensive potential I think he'll become a solid starter. 10 and 10

Sly Guy
05-31-2013, 02:03 PM
the rockets should not give the kid up. But I'm not a fan of the rockets, so if they do, I want the raps to be all over that ****.

KniCks4LiFe
05-31-2013, 02:22 PM
When's the last time you saw him play? He has zero post game and doesn't have much of a mid range game, though he thinks he does. He gives good effort, but he's a tweener and has a lot of skills to develop on the offensive end. Defensively he wasn't that impressive either.

you saw what happened w/ Hibbert right? you don't think Thomas Robinson 4 yrs. younger and more mobile can do it?

DerekRE_3
05-31-2013, 04:00 PM
you saw what happened w/ Hibbert right? you don't think Thomas Robinson 4 yrs. younger and more mobile can do it?

Hibbert is 7'2 and has a clear position. Robinson is a tweener, height wise and skill wise. He's not quick enough or a good enough of a shooter to be a 3. He is on the short side for a 4, but way more importantly, has no post game whatsoever and isn't an accomplished mid range shooter. You need one or the other to be an effective player. Right now he has neither.

Maybe he'll figure it out, but he's got a lot of work to do and is by no means a sure thing.

sunsfan88
05-31-2013, 04:17 PM
well its not like they are short on PF's

Robinson is kinda short himself for a PF, he's only 6'9.

Cracka2HI!
05-31-2013, 04:36 PM
I'd love him on the Clipps if we lose CP3. I can see he and Blake working well together.

ClevelandSpider
05-31-2013, 04:49 PM
I'd love if the Kings traded something like a second round pick this year and trade a future protected first if needed. The first would have to be dealt after the pick goes to Cavs though.

Pattersonj/Robinson
Cousins/Thompson

Love that frontcourt.

Are you seriously suggesting the Kings should add Robinson, their 2012 1st round pick (#5 overall), who they gave up on and shipped out for nothing...REALLY? smh....

True Sports Fan
05-31-2013, 06:02 PM
Are you seriously suggesting the Kings should add Robinson, their 2012 1st round pick (#5 overall), who they gave up on and shipped out for nothing...REALLY? smh....
It's not my fault for our dumbass owners, now is it? smh.....

He barely even gave the kid a chance. And I think he can be solid off the bench, especially for a second round pick.

True Sports Fan
05-31-2013, 06:03 PM
Kings can't trade a future 1st rounder because they currently owe a lottery protected 1st to the Cavaliers.

Yea, that's why I said it would have to be after the pick we owe to Cavs. Guess I should've clarified better though. Either way I don't think it would even cost a first since their main goal is acquiring Dwight

DerekRE_3
05-31-2013, 06:29 PM
Yea, that's why I said it would have to be after the pick we owe to Cavs. Guess I should've clarified better though. Either way I don't think it would even cost a first since their main goal is acquiring Dwight

They can't trade a 1st round pick until they give the Cavs the pick they are eventually owed, which means they have to make the playoffs.

Lakers + Giants
05-31-2013, 07:33 PM
Well, do it Rockets if it means Howard is coming. I can almost picture a team of Lin-Harden-Parsons-Asik?-Howard. This would be one hell of a team. Finally, we'll probably see the Howard of Orlando Magic once he's in a better team environment where he can actually have plays drawn for him, not just wait for put backs from tons of missed shots of a shooting guard, and can get what he actually deserves that is 15+ FGA.

you always have kobe in mind. how cute.

CityofTreez
05-31-2013, 11:23 PM
We should at least give him a full year to prove his worth. I'm not really feeling this move.

Yeah. You guys should've learned from the Sac Maloofs dumb decision....

JordansBulls
06-01-2013, 05:01 PM
Not going to matter, Rockets have bigger guys on there mind right now.