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lamzoka
05-28-2013, 12:24 PM
Guys have been accustomed to doing it for years, and it's not even a bad thing. You're just trying to get the advantage. Any way you can get the advantage over an opponent to help your team win, then so be it. Lebron James



we would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping. Dwayne Wade


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/22314389/playoffs-as-floptastic-as-ever-and-nba-doing-little-to-curb-problem

natelpete
05-28-2013, 12:29 PM
Blame the refs, they're the ones making the calls. Nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage for your team.

Edit: Basically just an anti-Heat biased article written by a native New Yorker (what else would you expect).

Zefflin
05-28-2013, 12:32 PM
yuck, no wonder it insults my intelligence and soul to watch them

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 12:32 PM
lol this clown just said he'd never flopped in his career

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-28-2013, 12:32 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

ManRam
05-28-2013, 12:33 PM
i'd imagine most coaches and players feel the same way. i'm sure most coaches encourage it too.


embellishing isn't ever, nor should it ever, go away. blatant flops to completely deceive refs need to go away...like the ones when you're not even touched. but if you get fouled and embellish it a little, well, that's always been a part of the game and always will be. we're much more focused on it now and cry about every tiny act of embellishment now, and that's why it looks like an epidemic.

cubbiefan_est88
05-28-2013, 12:35 PM
Of course he would. Its a soft league

ManRam
05-28-2013, 12:39 PM
look at the title: "Playoffs as flop-tastic as ever, and NBA doing little to curb problem"

if the NBA is doing nothing to curb it, you can't blame teams or players for doing it. it's all about getting an advantage. if there's no punishment, why not do it? players have been doing it for decades, why should we expect them to suddenly stop if nothing is forcing them to do so?

The Flash
05-28-2013, 12:39 PM
Yet nobody likes to talk about the multitude of times where he gets hit and never gets calls

ThunderousDemon
05-28-2013, 12:44 PM
look at the title: "Playoffs as flop-tastic as ever, and NBA doing little to curb problem"

if the NBA is doing nothing to curb it, you can't blame teams or players for doing it. it's all about getting an advantage. if there's no punishment, why not do it? players have been doing it for decades, why should we expect them to suddenly stop if nothing is forcing them to do so?

Such a long explanation to say that you're for it.

Slade123
05-28-2013, 12:49 PM
lol this clown just said he'd never flopped in his career

Except the "clown" never admitted that he did it. Just why NBA'ers do it.

Reading fail!

ManRam
05-28-2013, 12:50 PM
Such a long explanation to say that you're for it.

i dislike the notion of flopping...like the pure, blatant, turning-no-contact-into-writing-pain flops. i wish the league could do something to rid it. a little embellishment? nah. that's not flopping, and it's always been, and will always be, a part of the game.

i'm against how people single out players they hate for doing it. everyone does it. they're all looking for advantages. the only player i'd safely say never looks to ebellish is dwight, and i wish he did all the time in orlando. dude would get WAILED, and take the hit like a champ and thus let clear fouls go uncalled. if you can get a clear foul called by embellishing, why wouldn't a player do it?

i also don't think it's an atrocity that these players are continuing what players have done for decades now and taking advantage of the NBA's lax rules against it. if there's no punishment for doing it, why not do it?


but they need to be more strict with the outrageous flops on non-fouls. that's deceiving refs and hurts the game. reacting a bit more to a clear foul, again, will always be allowed and will never go away.



wade's comment is completely dumb. lebron's is just the truth about THE ENTIRE LEAGUE...perhaps the sad truth.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 12:51 PM
Except the "clown" never admitted that he did it. Just why NBA'ers do it.

Reading fail!

if he's basically condoning it
Guys have been accustomed to doing it for years, and it's not even a bad thing. You're just trying to get the advantage. Any way you can get the advantage over an opponent to help your team win, then so be it.

then obviously he's done it. you're the one that just needs some damn common sense.

ManRam
05-28-2013, 12:54 PM
i do disagree with lebron's opinion of it not being a bad thing, and hopefully the league hear's this and reacts appropriately by actually truly cracking down on it. they shouldn't be having their best player look at flopping so lightly. the thing is, i'm sure every player takes flopping lightly.

the rest of it shouldn't be controversial; see an advantage, take the advantage. everyone does it.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 12:54 PM
lol, ladies and gentlemen, that is your very best basketball player in the world speaking.

DR_1
05-28-2013, 12:57 PM
i'd imagine most coaches and players feel the same way. i'm sure most coaches encourage it too.


embellishing isn't ever, nor should it ever, go away. blatant flops to completely deceive refs need to go away...like the ones when you're not even touched. but if you get fouled and embellish it a little, well, that's always been a part of the game and always will be. we're much more focused on it now and cry about every tiny act of embellishment now, and that's why it looks like an epidemic.

Problem then becomes on how you tell the difference in the heat of a game.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 12:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao1L1dSo

This is a video from game 1 of the 1996 NBA finals where Dennis Rodman flops and then George Karl completely rips him for flopping.

I've said this numerous times to the children who began watching the NBA in the past 5 years, so I'll say it again in bold capital letters: FLOPPING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ITS NOT A NEW TREND THAT JUST GOT STARTED BECAUSE YOU HATE THE HEAT AND LEBRON

I don't think flopping is good for the league but its not an issue the league as been dealing with for a few years. Its been around for a long time. It will continue to be around for a long time as well.

Of course, everyone will ignore my post and ramble on about how they hate today's game and Lebron and the heat cheat, etc. etc. While completely ignoring the fact that MJ and the Bulls with Rodman committed the same tactics. Then again, everyone on here drinks haterade and is 12 years old.

BTW, if you want more videos of flops from "the greatest era of basketball" (the 80's and 90's) let me know. I'll drop the videos on your heads like MJ against Portland.

DR_1
05-28-2013, 12:58 PM
Yet nobody likes to talk about the multitude of times where he gets hit and never gets calls

:facepalm:

It's the NBA, you are going to take some contact.

BklynKnicks3
05-28-2013, 12:58 PM
its embrassing to me when stars do it when battier does it its one thing but wade and lebron smh

njnets
05-28-2013, 12:59 PM
flopping has become too normal for the sport. it sucks that people resort to this tactic. its cheap. people resort to this when they are beat on a play. theres a problem with the sport when the best player thinks flopping is appropriate. im sorry, it just ruins the sport and doesnt belong.

i dont think the nba will ever open up this can of worms but you think they would ever consider a "diving" penalty that would assessed to your foul total? i know the nhl has one but it is not called too often.

thoughts?

Slade123
05-28-2013, 01:00 PM
if he's basically condoning it

then obviously he's done it. you're the one that just needs some damn common sense.

Doesn't matter. You said that Lebron said he flops when he didn't actually say it. Do you think if this was a court issue that the judge would accept the common sense garbage?

Yes, Lebron has flopped, everybody knows that, but using his comments has no basis.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 01:04 PM
Vlade Divac played in the 90's and early 00's. Here are his flops videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajUs-oD4oDQ

Hawkeye15
05-28-2013, 01:05 PM
Blame the refs, they're the ones making the calls. Nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage for your team.

Edit: Basically just an anti-Heat biased article written by a native New Yorker (what else would you expect).

this. Quite frankly, as annoying as flopping is, why the hell WOULDN'T you use it if it creates an advantage?

Hawkeye15
05-28-2013, 01:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao1L1dSo

This is a video from game 1 of the 1996 NBA finals where Dennis Rodman flops and then George Karl completely rips him for flopping.

I've said this numerous times to the children who began watching the NBA in the past 5 years, so I'll say it again in bold capital letters: FLOPPING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ITS NOT A NEW TREND THAT JUST GOT STARTED BECAUSE YOU HATE THE HEAT AND LEBRON

I don't think flopping is good for the league but its not an issue the league as been dealing with for a few years. Its been around for a long time. It will continue to be around for a long time as well.

Of course, everyone will ignore my post and ramble on about how they hate today's game and Lebron and the heat cheat, etc. etc. While completely ignoring the fact that MJ and the Bulls with Rodman committed the same tactics. Then again, everyone on here drinks haterade and is 12 years old.

BTW, if you want more videos of flops from "the greatest era of basketball" (the 80's and 90's) let me know. I'll drop the videos on your heads like MJ against Portland.

of course. But that simply doesn't fit the agenda of Bron haters on this site.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 01:08 PM
Other notorious floppers of years past:

Danny Ainge (played on the Celtics/Suns and won multiple championships with Boston)
Bill Laimbeer (apart of the Pistons and also won multiple titles as a defensive enforcer)

You can't even say these players are nobodies because they played key roles in helping their teams win championships.

Must I go on?
Again, I'm not saying its good for the league. But please don't act like its just now ruining the game. Obviously, you've never watched basketball in the 80's or 90's if that's the case. Truth is, Lebron is right. Its a good tactic under the right circumstances. Its all about embellishments. In a sports environment where every athlete looks for any competitive advantage (e.g. Steroids; HGH; etc.), flopping is just another tactic. Get over it. Its despicable but please don't try to act like this era of basketball is the only one tainted by it.

I'm done ranting with the youths on here. I'm going to go drink some prune juice now.

C_Mund
05-28-2013, 01:08 PM
i'd imagine most coaches and players feel the same way. i'm sure most coaches encourage it too.


embellishing isn't ever, nor should it ever, go away. blatant flops to completely deceive refs need to go away...like the ones when you're not even touched. but if you get fouled and embellish it a little, well, that's always been a part of the game and always will be. we're much more focused on it now and cry about every tiny act of embellishment now, and that's why it looks like an epidemic.

I can agree with this, but the problem is that players always find loopholes, ie: the block/charge conundrum. It's nearly impossible to take a charge hard enough to go down unless you're already starting to lean back when you get hit, but the refs won't call it a charge unless you go down..... so your only choice if you want a call is to fall when you wouldn't have otherwise. Is that a flop or an embellishment?

ThunderousDemon
05-28-2013, 01:10 PM
Flopping is not allowed and it is frowned upon, so you shouldn't do it.

Delrayhc
05-28-2013, 01:13 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

And your post is one of the many reasons why you have in part ruined this forum.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 01:20 PM
Doesn't matter. You said that Lebron said he flops when he didn't actually say it. Do you think if this was a court issue that the judge would accept the common sense garbage?

Yes, Lebron has flopped, everybody knows that, but using his comments has no basis.
Loooool is this court? I don't give a crap about if this was a court issue. He wouldn't come out and say this if he never flopped once.

I don't even care about players that flop...that should be on the refs to call it.

dalton749
05-28-2013, 01:27 PM
how do u think jordan learned to act before spacejam?

D1JM
05-28-2013, 01:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao1L1dSo

This is a video from game 1 of the 1996 NBA finals where Dennis Rodman flops and then George Karl completely rips him for flopping.

I've said this numerous times to the children who began watching the NBA in the past 5 years, so I'll say it again in bold capital letters: FLOPPING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ITS NOT A NEW TREND THAT JUST GOT STARTED BECAUSE YOU HATE THE HEAT AND LEBRON

I don't think flopping is good for the league but its not an issue the league as been dealing with for a few years. Its been around for a long time. It will continue to be around for a long time as well.

Of course, everyone will ignore my post and ramble on about how they hate today's game and Lebron and the heat cheat, etc. etc. While completely ignoring the fact that MJ and the Bulls with Rodman committed the same tactics. Then again, everyone on here drinks haterade and is 12 years old.

BTW, if you want more videos of flops from "the greatest era of basketball" (the 80's and 90's) let me know. I'll drop the videos on your heads like MJ against Portland.

well that's the reason why the nba is trying to fine players that flop. to clean up the sport, but since lebron said it's ok, than it's ok.






also, if you dont suck on lebron's nuts you are considered a lebron hater in the nba forum. that's a fact

still1ballin
05-28-2013, 01:29 PM
Thats sad.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 01:32 PM
I think there is a marked difference between having defensive specialist/antagonizers like Bowen, Rodman, Laimbeer bait the offensive player they are guarding into contact and flopping the **** out of it to get the call than Michael Jordan running around flopping his balls off when guys half his size make contact.

I don't think it was even close to as prevalent and widespread back then as it is now, especially with the undisputed best player in the game leading the charge. MJ, Kobe, Duncan didn't pull that **** - they let Rodman, Fisher and Bowen make fools of themselves. LeBron should do the same. Its embarassing.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 01:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=nli62-Uhsls

Here's a video of Jordan being a puzzy after getting hitting on a breakaway by Rodman in the early 90's (April 13, 1993). Play was called a flagrant 1 (2 shots and ball on the side). Rodman basically grabbed MJ's arm. He didn't hit his head. It's a non-basketball play and warrants the flagrant 1.

This is a play that I see all the time in the league today, yet all the 12 year old punks on this site act like in the 90's you can hit someone with a sledgehammer and get assessed a common foul. Again, I'm here to educate you. The league protected Jordan just as it protects Lebron now. Get over it. Grow a pair. Nothing new.

BTW, MJ still dropped 23 on Rodman and Pistons in this game. Nothing was wrong with his wrist when he hit a go ahead jumper to seal the win with 2 minutes left.

Slug3
05-28-2013, 01:38 PM
I believe in any sport players/coaches/teams do what they can to get as much as an advantage as they can. Spygate, roids in the MLB, etc. players are always going to go as far as they are allowed. The nba now needs to step in and fix it of they want to avoid it. Can't fine low role players for flops and ignore the stars.

BigBlueCrew
05-28-2013, 01:39 PM
Just skimmed thru the article. What they did is what the NBA does with all issues. David Stern doesnt solve the actual issue. He just makes sure no-one complains about it. The guy knows how to shut the general public up.

Ezekial
05-28-2013, 01:39 PM
Doesn't matter, he has the same opinion on steroids.

Shmontaine
05-28-2013, 01:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihuOrQHSjWQ

i'll always remember this...

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 01:43 PM
well that's the reason why the nba is trying to fine players that flop. to clean up the sport, but since lebron said it's ok, than it's ok.








also, if you dont suck on lebron's nuts you are considered a lebron hater in the nba forum. that's a fact


This is eactly what Lebron said:
"Some guys have been doing it for years, just trying to get an advantage," James said Monday in the lead-up to Tuesday's Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals. "Any way you can get an advantage over the opponent to help your team win, so be it."

He didn't say its OK. Simple reading comprehension shows Lebron said its been around for a while. Players try to gain advantages to win games. At the end of the day, if you can help your team win so be it.

Lebron is just acknowledging that its a tactic that can help teams win. Oh really? You don't say lebron? I think its a stupid quote only because its like saying the sky is blue. He's just stating the obvious. And certain (not all) Bulls fans should be the last ones complaining with guys like Rodman on their team. Give me a break.

I can sit here and say Rodman's flop in game 1 of the 1996 finals shifted the outcome of the game as George Karl stated in the video I posted because 77% of teams that win game 1 go on to win the series.

In truth, we all know MJ and the Bulls won that game on their through hard work and championship mettle. They got some calls to go their way and capitalized. No biggie. They have the GOAT.

Also, you're not a lebron hater. You're just stupid. The past always repeats itself.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 01:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=nli62-Uhsls

Here's a video of Jordan being a puzzy after getting hitting on a breakaway by Rodman in the early 90's (April 13, 1993). Play was called a flagrant 1 (2 shots and ball on the side). Rodman basically grabbed MJ's arm. He didn't hit his head. It's a non-basketball play and warrants the flagrant 1.

This is a play that I see all the time in the league today, yet all the 12 year old punks on this site act like in the 90's you can hit someone with a sledgehammer and get assessed a common foul. Again, I'm here to educate you. The league protected Jordan just as it protects Lebron now. Get over it. Grow a pair. Nothing new.

BTW, MJ still dropped 23 on Rodman and Pistons in this game. Nothing was wrong with his wrist when he hit a go ahead jumper to seal the win with 2 minutes left.

LOL. Did you even watch your own video? It was pretty obvious the pain he was feeling was on his hand/wrist. He got ****ing hacked on that play and he already had ****ed up hand that was taped up. It also looks like he did indeed to drilled in the head and could have easily hit his head when he landed on the ground.

Either way, what does this have to do with this discussion? Are you really trying to compare getting leveled by a much bigger player mid-air on a breakaway to LeBron flopping his balls off with guys like 5'10 DJ Augustin after little to no contact?

Either way, your video does nothing for this discussion and neither does continuously repeating how much older and wiser you are than everyone else.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 01:51 PM
This is eactly what Lebron said:
"Some guys have been doing it for years, just trying to get an advantage," James said Monday in the lead-up to Tuesday's Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals. "Any way you can get an advantage over the opponent to help your team win, so be it."

He didn't say its OK. Simple reading comprehension shows Lebron said its been around for a while. Players try to gain advantages to win games. At the end of the day, if you can help your team win so be it.

Lebron is just acknowledging that its a tactic that can help teams win. Oh really? You don't say lebron? I think its a stupid quote only because its like saying the sky is blue. He's just stating the obvious. And certain (not all) Bulls fans should be the last ones complaining with guys like Rodman on their team. Give me a break.

I can sit here and say Rodman's flop in game 1 of the 1996 finals shifted the outcome of the game as George Karl stated in the video I posted because 77% of teams that win game 1 go on to win the series.

In truth, we all know MJ and the Bulls won that game on their through hard work and championship mettle. They got some calls to go their way and capitalized. No biggie. They have the GOAT.

Also, you're not a lebron hater. You're just stupid. The past always repeats itself.

How can you derive anything other than LeBron saying its OK from his quote?

What does '...then so be it' mean to you?

'If thats what it takes to get the call, than thats OK.'

MrfadeawayJB
05-28-2013, 01:54 PM
Spurs and heat

NBA Flopals

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 01:55 PM
I think there is a marked difference between having defensive specialist/antagonizers like Bowen, Rodman, Laimbeer bait the offensive player they are guarding into contact and flopping the **** out of it to get the call than Michael Jordan running around flopping his balls off when guys half his size make contact.

I don't think it was even close to as prevalent and widespread back then as it is now, especially with the undisputed best player in the game leading the charge. MJ, Kobe, Duncan didn't pull that **** - they let Rodman, Fisher and Bowen make fools of themselves. LeBron should do the same. Its embarassing.

First off, all those guys you mentioned played integral parts in helping their teams win MULTIPLE championships - can be argued integral players in dynasties. This is a fact that can't be denied. They were doing it on the big stage in the playoffs and finals where everyone was watching and the games mattered. It can be argued that without those guys and the little things they did (like say, flopping) certain games and momentum in the games wouldn't have changed - effecting the entire outcome of series.

Second, flopping was always apparent then as it is now. You know why? I watched all those games. The difference? the 24 hours sports news cycle where every play and comment is over analyzed into oblivion because they have to fill in air time for the masses to consume. Its a product of the times we live in. How do I know this? Because I lived in that time period as I live in this one and can notice the huge differences in coverage. Back then, all you had was ESPN (crappy at the time), day old newspapers, weekly magazines, and the pre-game shows. You didn't have advanced stats, you didn't have Antonio Davis or some fringe analyst telling me why MJ was so effective. We didn't have the internet or youtube to analyze the game to such extents.

Imagine, watching the game tonight and having to wait for Bob Costas 30 minutes before the game to tell you whether a player was out for the game? Its a huge difference. With Twitter, you can find out hours to days in advance.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:02 PM
LOL. Did you even watch your own video? It was pretty obvious the pain he was feeling was on his hand/wrist. He got ****ing hacked on that play and he already had ****ed up hand that was taped up. It also looks like he did indeed to drilled in the head and could have easily hit his head when he landed on the ground.

Either way, what does this have to do with this discussion? Are you really trying to compare getting leveled by a much bigger player mid-air on a breakaway to LeBron flopping his balls off with guys like 5'10 DJ Augustin after little to no contact?

Either way, your video does nothing for this discussion and neither does continuously repeating how much older and wiser you are than everyone else.

Sure it was a tangent. More so, a pre-tactical strike I can use again when Lebron gets hacked and someone gets a flagrant 1 and everyone on here comes in and declares in the 90's a sledgehammer hit were common fouls.

I also never claimed I was older and wiser. But truth be told, there are stupid people who post on these forums and declare how this era of the NBA is soft and weak when in actuality they've never watched a minute of basketball in the 80's and 90's. I'm sorry if my being allergic to stupidity and calling it out bothers you. If I see stupid posts I'll call them out. If no one does and blatantly lies then people begin to believe the lies as truths - which is a shame with a tool like youtube at everyones disposal.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 02:03 PM
First off, all those guys you mentioned played integral parts in helping their teams win MULTIPLE championships - can be argued integral players in dynasties. This is a fact that can't be denied. They were doing it on the big stage in the playoffs and finals where everyone was watching and the games mattered. It can be argued that without those guys and the little things they did (like say, flopping) certain games and momentum in the games wouldn't have changed - effecting the entire outcome of series.

Second, flopping was always apparent then as it is now. You know why? I watched all those games. The difference? the 24 hours sports news cycle where every play and comment is over analyzed into oblivion because they have to fill in air time for the masses to consume. Its a product of the times we live in. How do I know this? Because I lived in that time period as I live in this one and can notice the huge differences in coverage. Back then, all you had was ESPN (crappy at the time), day old newspapers, weekly magazines, and the pre-game shows. You didn't have advanced stats, you didn't have Antonio Davis or some fringe analyst telling me why MJ was so effective. We didn't have the internet or youtube to analyze the game to such extents.

Imagine, watching the game tonight and having to wait for Bob Costas 30 minutes before the game to tell you whether a player was out for the game? Its a huge difference. With Twitter, you can find out hours to days in advance.

What does the guys I mentioned being key components to their teams have to do with anything?

They were defensive specialists, they were told to get into the head of their opponent, they would bait them into contact and they would flop to get them an offensive foul. Thats different than midget DJ Augustin brushing shoulders over a screen and the best and most physically imposing player in the world falling to the ground like a little girl.

For someone old and wise you sure go off on tangents and between the Rodman video or this last response, you aren't even responding to anything I posted.

I understand there were floppers than and floppers now - the difference is how widespread it is, the difference is that you have elite superstars leading the flopping charge instead of role player/defensive instigators. You have physically imposing 6'8 260lb monsters flopping their *** off when midget PG's make sneeze on them.

You don't have to be that old to have watched hoops in the 90s dude, so get over yourself with that. Something tells me JVG knows a little something about both eras and something tells me hes not going to agree with you. Flopping is more prevalent now than it was back then.

rhd420
05-28-2013, 02:04 PM
Flopping is a art ... and it is dictated by the ref and its amazing how many fans are "up in arms" but yet if it's their team it's OK, if it helps win games and it isn't called, so be it

From the NFL and Pass Interference, heck Soccer or even NHL Hockey at times (not so much but I've seen it happen) if it is a advantage the player can use, eh - do it more until you get caught

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 02:06 PM
Do you notice that nobody really gives a **** when Shane Battier flops? Tony Allen? People will complain but there is no outcry, its not embarassing to watch. These are role players were talking about, flopping is a big part of what makes them staples in the NBA, these are not the best players in the world, thats where this **** needs to end. The CP3s, LeBrons, Blakes who are leading the flopping charge.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:11 PM
Do you notice that nobody really gives a **** when Shane Battier flops? Tony Allen? People will complain but there is no outcry, its not embarassing to watch. These are role players were talking about, flopping is a big part of what makes them staples in the NBA, these are not the best players in the world, thats where this **** needs to end. The CP3s, LeBrons, Blakes who are leading the flopping charge.

My point to you is, if you would have read my posts, which apparently you chose to ignore on certain aspects - that it's a tactical advantage. The superstars have noticed and are now employing those tactics. Is it despicable? yes, but it was eventually going to happen. Its the natural evolution of the game. Superstar players sees role player getting flop calls, Superstar says I can do that better than you. Who's at fault here? I blame the refs more so than anything, but their jobs aren't easy. The game is faster today than it was then. I really don't see any solution to flopping. But I don't think it makes games unwatchable any more today than it has in previous years.

Also, I find it interesting how you state its ok for lesser players to flop vs superstar players. Its a despicable play regardless. I'm not going to sit here and say well Shane Battier its ok for you to flop but Lebron - no no no, you can't flop. Give me a break dude. You're contradicting yourself.

RaiderLakersA's
05-28-2013, 02:12 PM
Oh, boy. This is gonna get ugly.

Supreme LA
05-28-2013, 02:14 PM
This is why the game is so hard to watch now really. The flopping today is atrocious and the fact that the Heat gets away with it so much really doesn't gain them any respect from the fans to them as a team and representatives of the league in this current state. Anybody who says flopping like this has gone on for decades is wrong. There have never 2 superstars of a championship team that flopped as much as these two guys. Wade literally glass everytime he goes to the basket whether there is contact or not. Lebron can basically stare a ref down to get his calls and has basically mastered the head jerk and all of the body and arm flailing necessary to get calls. It's quite embarrassing.

29$JerZ
05-28-2013, 02:15 PM
His teammate is a known exaggerator of contact (Wade) and LeBron himself flops. Bosh has a great video for one of the best flops ever. doesn't surprise me.

When your stars think like this you really can't change much.
It's a non story. Comes down to the refs.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:15 PM
Also, Im in my early 30's, I'm not that much older and wiser.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:16 PM
His teammate is a known exaggerator of contact (Wade) and LeBron himself flops. Bosh has a great video for one of the best flops ever. doesn't surprise me.

When your stars think like this you really can't change much.
It's a non story. Comes down to the refs.

EXACTLY! Thank you, this is my point.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:16 PM
This is why the game is so hard to watch now really. The flopping today is atrocious and the fact that the Heat gets away with it so much really doesn't gain them any respect from the fans to them as a team and representatives of the league in this current state. Anybody who says flopping like this has gone on for decades is wrong. There have never 2 superstars of a championship team that flopped as much as these two guys. Wade literally glass everytime he goes to the basket whether there is contact or not. Lebron can basically stare a ref down to get his calls and has basically mastered the head jerk and all of the body and arm flailing necessary to get calls. It's quite embarrassing.

[cough. cough] Vlade Divac and Derek Fisher were Lakers [cough, cough]

Supreme LA
05-28-2013, 02:18 PM
[cough. cough] Vlade Divac and Derek Fisher were Lakers [cough, cough]

And they were role players dummy

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:19 PM
Also please stop with the its ok for role players to flop but not superstars.

Give me a break, if you're against flopping it shouldn't matter what players flops. Its a crap move and still accomplishes the same goal: turnover of the ball or illegitimate fouls that leads to free throws.

Don't tell me Shane Battier's free throws count less points than Lebrons.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:20 PM
And they were role players dummy

Your point? result is the same

Stoppage of play; Illegitimate fouls; free throws

I'd rather have Derek Fisher shooting bogus free throws than Shaq.





dummy.

ThunderousDemon
05-28-2013, 02:20 PM
[cough. cough] Vlade Divac and Derek Fisher were Lakers [cough, cough]

Divac and Fisher aren't superstars though.

Lebron is a talented monster, there is no need for him to stoop to those levels reserved for players like the aforementioned.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 02:21 PM
My point to you is, if you would have read my posts, which apparently you chose to ignore on certain aspects - that it's a tactical advantage. The superstars have noticed and are now employing those tactics. Is it despicable? yes, but it was eventually going to happen. Its the natural evolution of the game. Superstar players sees role player getting flop calls, Superstar says I can do that better than you. Who's at fault here? I blame the refs more so than anything, but their jobs aren't easy. The game is faster today than it was then. I really don't see any solution to flopping. But I don't think it makes games unwatchable any more today than it has in previous years.

Also, I find it interesting how you state its ok for lesser players to flop vs superstar players. Its a despicable play regardless. I'm not going to sit here and say well Shane Battier its ok for you to flop but Lebron - no no no, you can't flop. Give me a break dude. You're contradicting yourself.

I don't condone it but I think its understandable for career role players to search out that competitive advantage moreso than NBA superstars. LeBron's competitive advantage is the fact that hes bigger, stronger, and better than everyone else in the league - its MORE despicable for that guy to flop all over the place than a role player with 1 or 2 NBA level skills.

TheIlladelph16
05-28-2013, 02:21 PM
The selective memory of people in regards to flopping is incredible. It's as if this is a new phenomenon for some people that CP3, LeBron, Wade, etc. have pioneered somehow. Is it more prevalent in today's NBA? Yeah probably. Is this something new? Not even close.

I still say that the uproar and the perceived increase in flopping is directly influenced by the explosion in technology and media over the last decade or so. We perceive it to be that way because that's how its covered (24/7 mind you) to manufacture controversy. Not only that, but the quality of the video today is unparalleled. Stuff that didn't look like a flop in 1985 on **** cameras might actually be one if it's seen in HD.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:23 PM
The selective memory of people in regards to flopping is incredible. It's as if this is a new phenomenon for some people that CP3, LeBron, Wade, etc. have pioneered somehow. Is it more prevalent in today's NBA? Yeah probably. Is this something new? Not even close.

I still say that the uproar and the perceived increase in flopping is directly influenced by the explosion in technology and media over the last decade or so. We perceive it to be that way because that's how its covered (24/7 mind you) to manufacture controversy. Not only that, but the quality of the video today is unparalleled. Stuff that didn't look like a flop in 1985 on **** cameras might actually be one if it's seen in HD.


Thank you. This is my argument.

DreamShaker
05-28-2013, 02:23 PM
People will keep flopping as long as they keep calling it, and in a game where wins and losses are the bottom line, teams will take advantage of him.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 02:24 PM
Thank you. This is my argument.

You've had 3 or 4 different arguments in this thread alone.

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:28 PM
You've had 3 or 4 different arguments in this thread alone.

Thats because I'm "older and wiser" (something you decided to point out) than you and can multi-task.

What's your point?

koreancabbage
05-28-2013, 02:28 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

everyone flops, even a little bit. all players want to sell the call. just not Miami

Shmontaine
05-28-2013, 02:32 PM
Also, Im in my early 30's, I'm not that much older and wiser.

just so we're clear... you're upset that others are upset... not that they're wrong, necessarily.

The fact that others don't like the best players in the game on the best team flopping on a game by game basis upsets you? who are you again?

The fact you were able to retrieve a handful of videos of flops from previous nba generations should show you that it was clearly not as big of a problem then as it is today. why can't you find more? sure, there are easier means to display, save, and share occurrences today, but the fact that MJ maybe flopped on 1 play 20 years ago, or rodman flopped on a play 17 years ago doesn't mean that LBJ doesn't do it a far higher rate, over much less contact, in a much more dramatic way. It doesn't invalidate this thread because you don't feel it's a bigger problem than in the past. I remember the 'old' days too, and there were a few people who could be considered floppers, but it's nothing like today. of course, this is my opinion.

FYI, i'm in my early 30's, since clearly that makes a difference..

SwatTeam
05-28-2013, 02:39 PM
Let me clarify some of my arguments for the few challenged posters here:

1 - Flopping has ALWAYS been prevalent in the NBA. I agree with Lebron that its a tactical advantage if the refs fall for it. Its up to the refs to be smarter because the players obviously are smart enough to realize the officials inability to distinguish real from fake fouls.
2 - If you are against flopping, you can't pick and choose what's ok. Shane Battier flopping is just as bad Lebron flopping. Why? Same results. Stoppage of play; Illegitimate fouls; free throws. Stop with the stupid superstars shouldn't flop but role players can. If you're against flopping, you're against it 100%. For the record, I'm against it.
3 - Technology makes flopping appear more prevalent than years past. Also using JVG as a barometer against this fact is stupid.
[On a tangent - No offense, to JVG but he thought the Heat were going to win more games than 95-96 bulls during their first year together. I don't really trust his assessments on floppings being out of hand. Mike Breen also constantly tells JVG that he's wrong and counters many of his points. Mike Breen has experience as a ref in lower athletic basketball leagues. I trust him more than JVG in regards to good and bad calls.]

Anyways, it was good debating with many of you. Good day to you all.

natelpete
05-28-2013, 02:41 PM
And they were role players dummy


Divac and Fisher aren't superstars though.

Lebron is a talented monster, there is no need for him to stoop to those levels reserved for players like the aforementioned.


I don't condone it but I think its understandable for career role players to search out that competitive advantage moreso than NBA superstars. LeBron's competitive advantage is the fact that hes bigger, stronger, and better than everyone else in the league - its MORE despicable for that guy to flop all over the place than a role player with 1 or 2 NBA level skills.

So it's only ok for role players to do it?? That makes no sense.

LayBraun
05-28-2013, 02:44 PM
I think the NBA needs to do a better job in getting rid of the blatant flops but other than that James is right, people flop for an advantage..

It's like when Derek Jeter when crazy that he got hit by a pitch and was calling for the base but replay after replay showed it only hit the bat. Lol and people love Derek Jeter so give this a break.

t_money25
05-28-2013, 02:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao1L1dSo

This is a video from game 1 of the 1996 NBA finals where Dennis Rodman flops and then George Karl completely rips him for flopping.

I've said this numerous times to the children who began watching the NBA in the past 5 years, so I'll say it again in bold capital letters: FLOPPING HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, ITS NOT A NEW TREND THAT JUST GOT STARTED BECAUSE YOU HATE THE HEAT AND LEBRON

I don't think flopping is good for the league but its not an issue the league as been dealing with for a few years. Its been around for a long time. It will continue to be around for a long time as well.

Of course, everyone will ignore my post and ramble on about how they hate today's game and Lebron and the heat cheat, etc. etc. While completely ignoring the fact that MJ and the Bulls with Rodman committed the same tactics. Then again, everyone on here drinks haterade and is 12 years old.

BTW, if you want more videos of flops from "the greatest era of basketball" (the 80's and 90's) let me know. I'll drop the videos on your heads like MJ against Portland.

Greatest post ever!!!

Shmontaine
05-28-2013, 02:56 PM
Let me clarify some of my arguments for the few challenged posters here:

You seem to throw insults around. can you not have a reasoned debate?


1 - Flopping has ALWAYS been prevalent in the NBA.


first point, first falacy. perhaps you meant present. but it was clearly not prevalent in years past, nor would i necessarily call it prevalent today. but it is much more common than was 20 years ago.



2 - If you are against flopping, you can't pick and choose what's ok. Shane Battier flopping is just as bad Lebron flopping. Why? Same results. Stoppage of play; Illegitimate fouls; free throws

perhaps you misunderstand some posters, as they misunderstand you. I see it as a skill set that one player may acquire to survive in the league. i don't necessarily condone it or agree with it, but i can stomach it much more that a player who has all the skills and talent (along with superstar calls from the refs) to succeed. would LBJ want to be in the same sentence as, say vlade? i don't think so. and while i'd like it abolished completely from the league, it's a start to say the best players should represent whats best about the league. but that's just me.



3 - Technology makes flopping appear more prevalent than years past. Also using JVG as a barometer against this fact is stupid.
[On a tangent - No offense, to JVG but he thought the Heat were going to win more games than 95-96 bulls during their first year together. I don't really trust his assessments on floppings being out of hand. Mike Breen also constantly tells JVG that he's wrong and counters many of his points. Mike Breen has experience as a ref in lower athletic basketball leagues. I trust him more than JVG in regards to good and bad calls.]

I agree that JVG is more of a shock jock type these days and i wouldn't put much stock in what he says as a commentator. His job is to be entertaining.


Anyways, it was good debating with many of you. Good day to you all.
stop trying to change peoples minds, or insult them into agreement. Have a good one..

ziglur
05-28-2013, 02:58 PM
Of course he would. Its a soft league
The league is soft I dont have a problem with flopping some player get away with it and some dont and the refs know who and when they do it. James is a great player the best but he gets advantages. Using his shoulders and backing players down and knocking them back is an offensive foul for most players. But James does it a lot. West tried it and gets called an offensive foul. James does it and it great strategy . I know they want Miami and James to sell tickets and make the league money but its a fact that he gets away with lots of things. No other player would get away with that on the road. Really I dont even see anything wrong with what he does but they should call it the same for both teams and players. Let West do it too and more players would do it. but they handcuff most players. They make him look better than he is.

D1JM
05-28-2013, 02:59 PM
This is eactly what Lebron said:
"Some guys have been doing it for years, just trying to get an advantage," James said Monday in the lead-up to Tuesday's Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals. "Any way you can get an advantage over the opponent to help your team win, so be it."

He didn't say its OK. Simple reading comprehension shows Lebron said its been around for a while. Players try to gain advantages to win games. At the end of the day, if you can help your team win so be it.

Lebron is just acknowledging that its a tactic that can help teams win. Oh really? You don't say lebron? I think its a stupid quote only because its like saying the sky is blue. He's just stating the obvious. And certain (not all) Bulls fans should be the last ones complaining with guys like Rodman on their team. Give me a break.

I can sit here and say Rodman's flop in game 1 of the 1996 finals shifted the outcome of the game as George Karl stated in the video I posted because 77% of teams that win game 1 go on to win the series.

In truth, we all know MJ and the Bulls won that game on their through hard work and championship mettle. They got some calls to go their way and capitalized. No biggie. They have the GOAT.

Also, you're not a lebron hater. You're just stupid. The past always repeats itself.

in other words, he's ok with it as long as it helps his team win. you're the stupid one if you can't come to the conclusion that he's ok with it. Why do you bring up the bulls? did i ****en say I am ok with flopping? If a bulls player came out and said the same thing I would still feel the same way about it.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 03:10 PM
So it's only ok for role players to do it?? That makes no sense.

I don't think anyone is saying its OK, but at least its understandable. LeBron doesn't need bush league competitive advantage. His competitive advantage is being 6'8 260, strong as a lion, fast as a ****ing cheetah, and hands down the best player in the NBA. Fringe starters/role players NEED to seek out that competitive advantage or they are easily replaced in this league. Bush league is bush league, but its understandable why role players seek out that sort of bush league advantage. LeBron is already hands down the best player in the league, hes the greatest physical specimen the league has seen, he shouldn't be flopping his balls off when midget point guards swipe his shoulder moving over a screen.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 03:22 PM
Its easier to sympathize with a C student who cheats on a test to ensure he stays in school than the valedictorian who gets straight As and could have aced the test in his sleep but uses a cheatsheet anyway. Its wrong for both, but one you can understand and the other is just pathetic.

smiddy012
05-28-2013, 03:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=nli62-Uhsls

Here's a video of Jordan being a puzzy after getting hitting on a breakaway by Rodman in the early 90's (April 13, 1993). Play was called a flagrant 1 (2 shots and ball on the side). Rodman basically grabbed MJ's arm. He didn't hit his head. It's a non-basketball play and warrants the flagrant 1.

This is a play that I see all the time in the league today, yet all the 12 year old punks on this site act like in the 90's you can hit someone with a sledgehammer and get assessed a common foul. Again, I'm here to educate you. The league protected Jordan just as it protects Lebron now. Get over it. Grow a pair. Nothing new.

BTW, MJ still dropped 23 on Rodman and Pistons in this game. Nothing was wrong with his wrist when he hit a go ahead jumper to seal the win with 2 minutes left.

lol what a great example of MJ flopping... is that the best you could find? Cuz that's an incredibly pathetic comparison of a flop on your part.

Where are the ones where he doesn't even get touched, but then violently reacts as if possessed by a ghost? When did MJ "flop" like that? Anybody who compares Lebron's flopping to that of the 80s/90s greats (MJ, Bird, Magic, etc.) is either BSing themselves or trying to BS others.

Lebron is the 2nd goat IMO, but every now and then he has a flop that just makes you cringe in embarrassment for the sport. Wade is great at flopping, with him its almost an art. On the other hand Lebron is really bad at it, and he suffers embarrassment as a result. You'd think he'd have more pride and confidence than to incorporate it into his game the way he does, because he doesn't need it to win.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:29 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

Exactly!

How many more advantages does Lebron need? He already has the best team in all of basketball. Now he needs all the calls as well??? I really scratch my head with him at times. He is the best player in the NBA for sure, but why does he need so much help to win and why do his fans proclaim him the GOAT knowing how much help he needed to get the job done. There are many other greats throughout NBA history that did more with much less.

Oh and LMAO about Lebron saying that it's just to get an advantage as if any other player in the NBA gets the wipe *** treatment from the refs that him and Wade do. I'm sure that if Melo or CP3 flopped twice as much as him, they would still get only half the calls. As much as a respect Lebron's natural talents, It's really hard for me to respect him as a warrior.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:33 PM
lol what a great example of MJ flopping... is that the best you could find? Cuz that's an incredibly pathetic comparison of a flop on your part.

Where are the ones where he doesn't even get touched, but then violently reacts as if possessed by a ghost? When did MJ "flop" like that? Anybody who compares Lebron's flopping to that of the 80s/90s greats (MJ, Bird, Magic, etc.) is either BSing themselves or trying to BS others.

Lebron is the 2nd goat IMO, but every now and then he has a flop that just makes you cringe in embarrassment for the sport. Wade is great at flopping, with him its almost an art. On the other hand Lebron is really bad at it, and he suffers embarrassment as a result.

Everything you said it correct except for the part I highlighted. Can you explain to me how one ring earns you Jordan comparisons again? I will agree that in terms of natural ability, Lebron is top five all time for sure. But if you factor in mental toughness, he barely cracks the top 50. He is also top 5 in help needed to win a championship. I have him ranked just under Russell for most help needed of all time at the number 2 spot personally.

ATX
05-28-2013, 03:33 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

Possibly the 1000th time you've posted this same old crap. Stop crying because the Heat are a championship team and your Lakers aren't "Right now." Christ, give someone else a chance to be good for awhile without crying like a little bitty baby all the time. Your Lakers have 17 Chips, and Kobe 5. The Heat are in their franchises prime for a few years...Let it go man. Your tears are just flooding the threads endlessly ever since you popped up on this site. Again, for the 1000th time, GROW UP, or SHUT UP.

Delrayhc
05-28-2013, 03:33 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

Exactly!

How many more advantages does Lebron need? He already has the best team in all of basketball. Now he needs all the calls as well??? I really scratch my head with him at times. He is the best player in the NBA for sure, but why does he need so much help to win and why do his fans proclaim him the GOAT knowing how much help he needed to get the job done. There are many other greats throughout NBA history that did more with much less.

Oh and LMAO about Lebron saying that it's just to get an advantage as if any other player in the NBA gets the wipe *** treatment from the refs that him and Wade do. I'm sure that if Melo or CP3 flopped twice as much as him, they would still get only half the calls. As much as a respect Lebron's natural talents, It's really hard for me to respect him as a warrior.

Were you and Illusionist holding hands as you both posted?

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:34 PM
Stop hating people, Lebron is "The King"










































Of flop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpGKC62qvs

ThunderousDemon
05-28-2013, 03:36 PM
So it's only ok for role players to do it?? That makes no sense.

I never said it was ok for role players to do it.

The reason that superstars seem to receive more scrutiny is because of that, they're superstars, they are supposed to be the best of the best in talent.

Flopping seems like something reserved for the plebeians of the NBA.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:37 PM
Were you and Illusionist holding hands as you both posted?

Can't handle the truth can we.

Your boy is a flop artist. Why can't you admit that?

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:38 PM
I never said it was ok for role players to do it.

The reason that superstars seem to receive more scrutiny is because of that, they're superstars, they are supposed to be the best of the best in talent.

Flopping seems like something reserved for the plebeians of the NBA.

Yup, When Verejao and Ginobli do it, you can live with it...but when a talent like Lebron does it, it's just shameful.

smiddy012
05-28-2013, 03:38 PM
Its easier to sympathize with a C student who cheats on a test to ensure he stays in school than the valedictorian who gets straight As and could have aced the test in his sleep but uses a cheatsheet anyway. Its wrong for both, but one you can understand and the other is just pathetic.

This is a golden comparison. Reminds me of what a professor told me the other day, he said that, "usually the people who are smart enough to get away with cheating are the ones who are smart enough to get good grades without it."

smiddy012
05-28-2013, 03:42 PM
Everything you said it correct except for the part I highlighted. Can you explain to me how one ring earns you Jordan comparisons again? I will agree that in terms of natural ability, Lebron is top five all time for sure. But if you factor in mental toughness, he barely cracks the top 50. He is also top 5 in help needed to win a championship. I have him ranked just under Russell for most help needed of all time at the number 2 spot personally.

I realize that I can't make a water-tight argument as to why Lebron is 2nd goat at this point in time, but when it's all said and done I believe he will have done enough to prove himself as such. At the very least he's the best since MJ, just based on his pure dominance of the game.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:42 PM
This is a golden comparison. Reminds me of what a professor told me the other day, he said that, "usually the people who are smart enough to get away with cheating are the ones who are smart enough to get good grades without it."

It's not like Lebron is getting away with it lol. It's obvious to everybody...it's just that he is blatantly milking his star power. Blame the lobbyists from Nike, Gatorade, and Sprite...they are the true masterminds behind this BS. I have never seen an NBA superstar milk their stardom to get calls more than Lebron...and Wade of course.

Delrayhc
05-28-2013, 03:43 PM
lol what a great example of MJ flopping... is that the best you could find? Cuz that's an incredibly pathetic comparison of a flop on your part.

Where are the ones where he doesn't even get touched, but then violently reacts as if possessed by a ghost? When did MJ "flop" like that? Anybody who compares Lebron's flopping to that of the 80s/90s greats (MJ, Bird, Magic, etc.) is either BSing themselves or trying to BS others.

Lebron is the 2nd goat IMO, but every now and then he has a flop that just makes you cringe in embarrassment for the sport. Wade is great at flopping, with him its almost an art. On the other hand Lebron is really bad at it, and he suffers embarrassment as a result.

Everything you said it correct except for the part I highlighted. Can you explain to me how one ring earns you Jordan comparisons again? I will agree that in terms of natural ability, Lebron is top five all time for sure. But if you factor in mental toughness, he barely cracks the top 50. He is also top 5 in help needed to win a championship. I have him ranked just under Russell for most help needed of all time at the number 2 spot personally.

Did you read the post that you responded to correctly? Obviously you didnt because the poster stated that it was his OPINION that LBJ was 2nd goat. So tell me how to you CORRECT someones OPINION with your own OPINION? Dont think to hard I wouldnt want you to cloud your mind while you are dreaming of Kobe.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:46 PM
I realize that I can't make a water-tight argument as to why Lebron is 2nd goat at this point in time, but when it's all said and done I believe he will have done enough to prove himself as such. At the very least he's the best since MJ, just based on his pure dominance of the game.

I respectfully disagree.

If he really dominated the game, he wouldn't have needed to form the "Justice League" over there in Miami in order to win a ring. Also, I believe that any of the current top ten players of all time would not have choked as bad as Lebron back in the 2011 finals. Any one of them could have gotten the job done. Heck, even put Charles Barkley in Lebron's shoes back in 2011 and I would put any amount of money that he would have gotten the job done. It's really hard for me to say he was the best since Jordan knowing how mentally weak he is. What he did in Cleveland was amazing and all, but I would rank players like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe over him for sure as all being better since the departure of Jordan.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:47 PM
Did you read the post that you responded to correctly? Obviously you didnt because the poster stated that it was his OPINION that LBJ was 2nd goat. So tell me how to you CORRECT someones OPINION with your own OPINION? Dont think to hard I wouldnt want you to cloud your mind while you are dreaming of Kobe.

I respect that it's his opinion, but I already said that I respectfully disagree and I gave reasons as to why. Sorry if you Lebronites can't handle a healthy dose of reality every once in a while.

Delrayhc
05-28-2013, 03:50 PM
Were you and Illusionist holding hands as you both posted?

Can't handle the truth can we.

Your boy is a flop artist. Why can't you admit that?

This is why you and illusionist are tucking each other in at night. I have never denied that lbj is a flopper also if you read the wade flopping thread you would see that i said that wade flops as well. Further more if you read any of my post you will see that no player on the Heat or any other team are "my boy"... Sorry , nice try though.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 03:54 PM
This is why you and illusionist are tucking each other in at night. I have never denied that lbj is a flopper also if you read the wade flopping thread you would see that i said that wade flops as well. Further more if you read any of my post you will see that no player on the Heat or any other team are "my boy"... Sorry , nice try though.

Well that alone makes you smarter than 99% of the Heat fans out there. Props.

Delrayhc
05-28-2013, 03:55 PM
Did you read the post that you responded to correctly? Obviously you didnt because the poster stated that it was his OPINION that LBJ was 2nd goat. So tell me how to you CORRECT someones OPINION with your own OPINION? Dont think to hard I wouldnt want you to cloud your mind while you are dreaming of Kobe.

I respect that it's his opinion, but I already said that I respectfully disagree and I gave reasons as to why. Sorry if you Lebronites can't handle a healthy dose of reality every once in a while.

Whats this dose of reality that i should take? Did i say lbj is 2nd goat? Nope. I asked how do you correct someones opinion with one of your own. Good attempt on your part though.

ATX
05-28-2013, 03:55 PM
I respect that it's his opinion, but I already said that I respectfully disagree and I gave reasons as to why. Sorry if you Lebronites can't handle a healthy dose of reality every once in a while.

The only one or two (Illusionist) that need a healthy dose of reality is you two.

mngopher35
05-28-2013, 04:01 PM
I respectfully disagree.

If he really dominated the game, he wouldn't have needed to form the "Justice League" over there in Miami in order to win a ring. Also, I believe that any of the current top ten players of all time would not have choked as bad as Lebron back in the 2011 finals. Any one of them could have gotten the job done. Heck, even put Charles Barkley in Lebron's shoes back in 2011 and I would put any amount of money that he would have gotten the job done. It's really hard for me to say he was the best since Jordan knowing how mentally weak he is. What he did in Cleveland was amazing and all, but I would rank players like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe over him for sure as all being better since the departure of Jordan.

What about those years the spurs lost in the 1st round as favorites? 2004 when kobe shot his team out of the finals? Heck, even Bird in 87? Every player will have a bad series, Lebron in 2011 isn't the only one. One very bad series doesn't take away from his dominance over the past 5 years or so (for lebron or any other star).

How many of those guys have 4 mvp's in 5 years? How many have won as many player of the months in that same time? (kobe has 17 in his career, lebron already has 25). How many have won an mvp, title, fmvp, and gold medal in the same year? How many average 30 ppg 10rpg 5 apg on .576TS% in a title run? Shaq is probably the only player you mention who has equaled the dominance Lebron has sustained these past couple years.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 04:10 PM
Whats this dose of reality that i should take? Did i say lbj is 2nd goat? Nope. I asked how do you correct someones opinion with one of your own. Good attempt on your part though.

I gave facts as to why I formed my opinion.

- Lebron formed a superteam to win a ring.

- Lebron failed with that superteam against a good, yet not great team in the finals.

- Lebron sits out of games in key moments with cramps.

- Lebron puts up great stats during the regular season, yet relies on his superfriends to come through for him in key moments of the playoffs.

- Lebron shys away from the spotlight when the game is on the line.

- In terms of mental toughnees, Lebron would be in the bottom half of the top 50 of all time.

- Lebron flops and takes advantage of his stardom and overhyped status more than any other superstar that came before him.

- We have yet to see if Lebron could put up such incredible regular season stats with a true center or point guard on his team.

These are all facts I have stated and are the main reasons why I don't feel Lebron is as good as many on here make him out to be. Don't get me wrong, I still feel he is the best in the league in terms of natural talent and statistical dominance. I just feel that his ring last year didn't prove as much as all the Lebronintes on here act like it did. There are many players in the current NBA as well as the top 50 of all time that could be put in Lebron's shoes now and likely still win a ring with this supremely stacked squad.

ryang
05-28-2013, 04:11 PM
Seeings how the refs are half blind pretty much forces you to sell the contact. If he didn't sell it then the whistles would become quiet. Pretty stupid move to not sell it considering his strength.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 04:24 PM
What about those years the spurs lost in the 1st round as favorites? 2004 when kobe shot his team out of the finals? Heck, even Bird in 87? Every player will have a bad series, Lebron in 2011 isn't the only one. One very bad series doesn't take away from his dominance over the past 5 years or so (for lebron or any other star).

How many of those guys have 4 mvp's in 5 years? How many have won as many player of the months in that same time? (kobe has 17 in his career, lebron already has 25). How many have won an mvp, title, fmvp, and gold medal in the same year? How many average 30 ppg 10rpg 5 apg on .576TS% in a title run? Shaq is probably the only player you mention who has equaled the dominance Lebron has sustained these past couple years.

Which years are you referring to in regards to the Spurs going out in the first round? From what I remember it was the Lakers who always eliminated them. Which is understandable. Or a team that was on par with them talent wise. I would say that I never saw Duncan's Spurs underachieve and lose to a team where they were the heavy favorites like Lebron did in 2011. Also, I never saw Duncan, or Parker for that matter have meltdown similar to Lebron.

In 2004, The Lakers were saddled with injury to their aged squad and relied on Shaq and Kobe for nearly everything. Not to also blame the refs or anything, but Kobe received less calls in that series than he received in any in his entire career up until that point. Even Phil Jackson in his book "The Final Season", said that in terms of calls, the Lakers got robbed in key games and moments of that series. Detroit also shot a playoff high in freethow attempts that series which was funny because they were in the bottom half of the league in that category. Even more mysterious is that the Lakers were the best in the league in that regard up until that series. Now one could attribute the Lakers and Kobe's lack of getting to the line to the Detroit defense which many have, but what about Detroit getting to the line all those times??? How can that be explained? Also, just want to add that it was the greatest disparity in FT's in finals history up until that point. I could be wrong, but I think that the Miami Heat might have beaten them in 2006 but I could be wrong. Either way, I think it was Wade who set the record for an individual player for sure. Anyways, it's really hard to fault Kobe in 2004 considering all the factors that went against him especially considering it was him who won game 2 for them and if not for him they would have been swept.

Bird in 87 was beginning to experience the signs that his back was going out. He had a great regular season, but honestly, we can attribute his lack of production in the post season to injury and the beginning of his decline rather than choking. No one will ever question Birds mental toughness the way they will with Lebron. Bird is in another world in terms of mental toughness in comparison to Lebron.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 04:24 PM
Seeings how the refs are half blind pretty much forces you to sell the contact. If he didn't sell it then the whistles would become quiet. Pretty stupid move to not sell it considering his strength.

:rolleyes:

amos1er
05-28-2013, 04:27 PM
What about those years the spurs lost in the 1st round as favorites? 2004 when kobe shot his team out of the finals? Heck, even Bird in 87? Every player will have a bad series, Lebron in 2011 isn't the only one. One very bad series doesn't take away from his dominance over the past 5 years or so (for lebron or any other star).

How many of those guys have 4 mvp's in 5 years? How many have won as many player of the months in that same time? (kobe has 17 in his career, lebron already has 25). How many have won an mvp, title, fmvp, and gold medal in the same year? How many average 30 ppg 10rpg 5 apg on .576TS% in a title run? Shaq is probably the only player you mention who has equaled the dominance Lebron has sustained these past couple years.

MVP's don't really mean a heck of a lot to me. The criteria is subjective and the media can make a case for nearly any of the top 5 players in the league in any given year. While it does hold some clout, it just isn't the same as being battle tested and rising to the moment.

*Superman*
05-28-2013, 04:33 PM
Kobe>LeFlop.

TheIlladelph16
05-28-2013, 04:49 PM
I gave facts as to why I formed my opinion.

- Lebron formed a superteam to win a ring.

- Lebron failed with that superteam against a good, yet not great team in the finals.

- Lebron sits out of games in key moments with cramps.

- Lebron puts up great stats during the regular season, yet relies on his superfriends to come through for him in key moments of the playoffs.

- Lebron shys away from the spotlight when the game is on the line.

- In terms of mental toughnees, Lebron would be in the bottom half of the top 50 of all time.

- Lebron flops and takes advantage of his stardom and overhyped status more than any other superstar that came before him.

- We have yet to see if Lebron could put up such incredible regular season stats with a true center or point guard on his team.

These are all facts I have stated and are the main reasons why I don't feel Lebron is as good as many on here make him out to be. Don't get me wrong, I still feel he is the best in the league in terms of natural talent and statistical dominance. I just feel that his ring last year didn't prove as much as all the Lebronintes on here act like it did. There are many players in the current NBA as well as the top 50 of all time that could be put in Lebron's shoes now and likely still win a ring with this supremely stacked squad.

I think there is some confusion on your part as to what the word "fact" means. Where I come from, a fact is objective. I'm not sure a single one of those points is even remotely objective.

ryang
05-28-2013, 04:53 PM
Hate hate hate. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go put water in amoser1's mommas dish.

mngopher35
05-28-2013, 04:56 PM
MVP's don't really mean a heck of a lot to me. The criteria is subjective and the media can make a case for nearly any of the top 5 players in the league in any given year. While it does hold some clout, it just isn't the same as being battle tested and rising to the moment.

You use media all the time, but now you don't count it? What about the other things I mentioned? I understand why you think he isn't battle tested, it isn't like his team was down 3-2 in ECF last year. Even if they had been there is absolutely no way Lebron would have come up huge in that clutch away game.

Muttman73
05-28-2013, 04:56 PM
:facepalm: This is one of the many reason why Miami has ruined the NBA.

AGREED x 1000%

HeaTxRipZz
05-28-2013, 05:07 PM
Nobody got on Vlade Divac with his flops, Raja Bell? I can go on and on with a list of floppers it's always been this way in the NBA. It's a part of the game. You do what you have to get that win. Reggie sticking his leg out when he shoots to get the foul or pump faking and leaning in when shooting to draw contact it's all the same thing man.

lamzoka
05-28-2013, 05:07 PM
Not Charles Barkley ‏@NotChuckBarkley
LeBron thinks flopping is "effective strategy". I bet he thinks his headband is an effective hair protector too. He should be embarrassed!

:laugh:

Lakers Ghost
05-28-2013, 05:07 PM
james the king of flopping:cool:

Munkeysuit
05-28-2013, 05:20 PM
Oh he condones flopping? I would too if it'll allow me to win or at least help the team to win, but what else is new about Lebron? we already knew he does anything and everything to win. I believe it was Sun Tzu who once said "all wars are deception"

mngopher35
05-28-2013, 05:55 PM
Which years are you referring to in regards to the Spurs going out in the first round? From what I remember it was the Lakers who always eliminated them. Which is understandable. Or a team that was on par with them talent wise. I would say that I never saw Duncan's Spurs underachieve and lose to a team where they were the heavy favorites like Lebron did in 2011. Also, I never saw Duncan, or Parker for that matter have meltdown similar to Lebron.

In 2004, The Lakers were saddled with injury to their aged squad and relied on Shaq and Kobe for nearly everything. Not to also blame the refs or anything, but Kobe received less calls in that series than he received in any in his entire career up until that point. Even Phil Jackson in his book "The Final Season", said that in terms of calls, the Lakers got robbed in key games and moments of that series. Detroit also shot a playoff high in freethow attempts that series which was funny because they were in the bottom half of the league in that category. Even more mysterious is that the Lakers were the best in the league in that regard up until that series. Now one could attribute the Lakers and Kobe's lack of getting to the line to the Detroit defense which many have, but what about Detroit getting to the line all those times??? How can that be explained? Also, just want to add that it was the greatest disparity in FT's in finals history up until that point. I could be wrong, but I think that the Miami Heat might have beaten them in 2006 but I could be wrong. Either way, I think it was Wade who set the record for an individual player for sure. Anyways, it's really hard to fault Kobe in 2004 considering all the factors that went against him especially considering it was him who won game 2 for them and if not for him they would have been swept.

Bird in 87 was beginning to experience the signs that his back was going out. He had a great regular season, but honestly, we can attribute his lack of production in the post season to injury and the beginning of his decline rather than choking. No one will ever question Birds mental toughness the way they will with Lebron. Bird is in another world in terms of mental toughness in comparison to Lebron.

09, 11 for Duncan. He also didn't have a great series in 04 vs the lakers if I remember correctly. None as bad as Lebron, but certainly some missteps. This is from one of the most consistant players ever according to a lot of people. It just shows that everyone can have bad series.

You mention how Kobe carried them to one victory in one game, but that was the only game that he didn't suck in. In the other 4 games that series he went for 20ppg 34% from field (29/86), 3.75 apg, 2.5 rpg. That is horrible, he was shooting his team out of games that series. He also went to the line more often per game than Lebron did vs the mavs (Not saying he shouldn't have, but I don't get why you use that excuse for him). In the end this is clearly a very bad series for Kobe that your completely fine overlooking, yet everything Lebron is discredited because of his very bad series.

That I am not sure of about Bird, did something happen right before the series? I remember he was fine up until that point, he played great the series before. Either way what about 83 then when they got swept by Milwaukee?

Basically my point is that all these great players had down points in the postseason, but that doesn't take away from their dominance as a player. Lebron had a very bad series in 2011 and that is a negative on his resume no doubt. It won't however lessen everything he has done as a player, just like it didn't for the many stars before him.

NJrockPD
05-28-2013, 06:10 PM
Yet nobody likes to talk about the multitude of times where he gets hit and never gets calls

Because that NEVER happens. I could get called for fouling Lebron by breathing too close to my TV.

JC_
05-28-2013, 06:24 PM
CBSsports is really going after the Heat, it's actually pretty funny. The only thing this article says is that Lebron felt comfortable enough with the reporter to tell it like it is when he probably shouldn't have.

Imagine a guy flops to get to the free throw line to win the game for your team. How many players, or fans would have a problem with winning that game? How many charges are called when the defensive player doesn't fall down?

Get better refs and I guarentee guys won't feel like flopping or embellishing contact because they'll know that things are going to be called on certain contact instead of the way their actions after dictate.

justinnum1
05-28-2013, 06:33 PM
:dance:

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-28-2013, 06:34 PM
Possibly the 1000th time you've posted this same old crap. Stop crying because the Heat are a championship team and your Lakers aren't "Right now." Christ, give someone else a chance to be good for awhile without crying like a little bitty baby all the time. Your Lakers have 17 Chips, and Kobe 5. The Heat are in their franchises prime for a few years...Let it go man. Your tears are just flooding the threads endlessly ever since you popped up on this site. Again, for the 1000th time, GROW UP, or SHUT UP.

I wouldn't be upset if they Heat did things correct and weren't the biggest ***** team ever created. The NBA will take a while before it gets it's luster back. Because as of now, the NBA and the Heat are huge jokes.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-28-2013, 06:36 PM
It's not like Lebron is getting away with it lol. It's obvious to everybody...it's just that he is blatantly milking his star power. Blame the lobbyists from Nike, Gatorade, and Sprite...they are the true masterminds behind this BS. I have never seen an NBA superstar milk their stardom to get calls more than Lebron...and Wade of course.


I respectfully disagree.

If he really dominated the game, he wouldn't have needed to form the "Justice League" over there in Miami in order to win a ring. Also, I believe that any of the current top ten players of all time would not have choked as bad as Lebron back in the 2011 finals. Any one of them could have gotten the job done. Heck, even put Charles Barkley in Lebron's shoes back in 2011 and I would put any amount of money that he would have gotten the job done. It's really hard for me to say he was the best since Jordan knowing how mentally weak he is. What he did in Cleveland was amazing and all, but I would rank players like Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe over him for sure as all being better since the departure of Jordan.

Some knowledge for you Heat fans.^

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-28-2013, 06:38 PM
The only one or two (Illusionist) that need a healthy dose of reality is you two.

I live in the real world son, I don't live in the world of Narnia like you and all the Heat fans that already claim Bron Goat.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 06:40 PM
CBSsports is really going after the Heat, it's actually pretty funny. The only thing this article says is that Lebron felt comfortable enough with the reporter to tell it like it is when he probably shouldn't have.

Imagine a guy flops to get to the free throw line to win the game for your team. How many players, or fans would have a problem with winning that game? How many charges are called when the defensive player doesn't fall down?

Get better refs and I guarentee guys won't feel like flopping or embellishing contact because they'll know that things are going to be called on certain contact instead of the way their actions after dictate.

See, now that would solve everything now wouldn't it. Unfortunately this league has been under suspect officiating for quite sometime now and it most likely wont change. This suspect officiating has been extremely beneficial to Lebron and the Heat since their conception. The NBA seems to do better financially when the Heat and Lebron do better...thus the hype train can continue on it's course. I'll let you put the dots together. :cool:

amos1er
05-28-2013, 06:41 PM
I live in the real world son, I don't live in the world of Narnia like you and all the Heat fans that already claim Bron Goat.

Haha. Exactly!

The NBA...where one ring gets to compared to MJ. LMAO!

JC_
05-28-2013, 06:46 PM
I wouldn't be upset if they Heat did things correct and weren't the biggest ***** team ever created. The NBA will take a while before it gets it's luster back. Because as of now, the NBA and the Heat are huge jokes.

So many Laker fans seem depressed this season. It's funny because if the Lakers didn't suck right now you guys would be perfectly fine with the Heat.

ryang
05-28-2013, 06:54 PM
Who cares how these kids feel? The Heat have ruined basketball? Your the same posters who said okc was a real team and were going to crush the Heat in the finals. You guys are a joke. Have fun crying as we win. Oh that's right we cheated. Signing two free agents was just to much.

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 06:56 PM
So many Laker fans seem depressed this season. It's funny because if the Lakers didn't suck right now you guys would be perfectly fine with the Heat.

In your mind,... yea sure.

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 06:57 PM
Who cares how these kids feel? The Heat have ruined basketball? Your the same posters who said okc was a real team and were going to crush the Heat in the finals. You guys are a joke. Have fun crying as we win. Oh that's right we cheated. Signing two free agents was just to much.

three.

ryang
05-28-2013, 06:57 PM
To bad the lakers couldn't have made another trade for a superstar. They would have given up a bag of skittles and that's ok? Yet two free agent signings is cheating. Lmfao. Get a clue and learn this game before you talk about how it's ruined. Not every team can make lopsided trades like the lakers. Not many teams can draft a bulls squad. Free agency was created for a reason. The biggest winners were the Heat. Sorry your sad.

THE MTL
05-28-2013, 06:58 PM
Oh course they both condone flopping. Lebron James has become one of the biggest floppers in the league. And Wade goes to the basket not to score but to get contact

ryang
05-28-2013, 06:59 PM
three.

We drafted wade. Yes his contract expired but we resigned hi
Technically he was a free agent but last time I checked he has never played for another team. I guess bosh is a superstar to you as well? Cause he's not.

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:00 PM
Oh course they both condone flopping. Lebron James has become one of the biggest floppers in the league. And Wade goes to the basket not to score but to get contact

And Mello shoots jumpers because he's fragile.

bucketss
05-28-2013, 07:01 PM
Haha. Exactly!

The NBA...where one ring gets to compared to MJ. LMAO!

jerry west 1 one ring.. always compared to jordan, wilt 2 rings(argued by some to be better), oscar robertson 1 ring always compared... FAIL GTFOH!!


Some knowledge for you Heat fans.^

one day you will be able to construct your own opinions and not just be a cosigner.

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:01 PM
To bad the lakers couldn't have made another trade for a superstar. They would have given up a bag of skittles and that's ok? Yet two free agent signings is cheating. Lmfao. Get a clue and learn this game before you talk about how it's ruined. Not every team can make lopsided trades like the lakers. Not many teams can draft a bulls squad. Free agency was created for a reason. The biggest winners were the Heat. Sorry your sad.

Shaq to the Lakers was lopsided?

How about Trading Vlade Divac to the Hornets for the 13th pick to draft a risky high school shooting guard?

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:02 PM
jerry west 1 one ring.. always compared to jordan, wilt 2 rings(argued by some to be better), oscar robertson 1 ring always compared... FAIL GTFOH!!



one day you will be able to construct your own opinions and not just be a cosigner.

What's wrong with co-signing?

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:02 PM
Yea. Shaqs trade was lopsided.

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:03 PM
So was gasol.

JC_
05-28-2013, 07:04 PM
To bad the lakers couldn't have made another trade for a superstar. They would have given up a bag of skittles and that's ok? Yet two free agent signings is cheating. Lmfao. Get a clue and learn this game before you talk about how it's ruined. Not every team can make lopsided trades like the lakers.

^^^^
I think a lot of Laker fans are just trolling here because it's hard to believe that some of these guys are truly as stupid as they are acting.

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:05 PM
We drafted wade. Yes his contract expired but we resigned hi
Technically he was a free agent but last time I checked he has never played for another team. I guess bosh is a superstar to you as well? Cause he's not.

Bingo, that's all I'm trying to point out.."technically". Don't get your panties in bunch...keep it up...you're doing a great job of down playing everything so far.

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:06 PM
^^^^
I think a lot of Laker fans are just trolling here because it's hard to believe that some of these guys are truly as stupid as they are acting.

lol now heat fans are being trolled?

amos1er
05-28-2013, 07:06 PM
Oh course they both condone flopping. Lebron James has become one of the biggest floppers in the league. And Wade goes to the basket not to score but to get contact

I agree.

bucketss
05-28-2013, 07:07 PM
See, now that would solve everything now wouldn't it. Unfortunately this league has been under suspect officiating for quite sometime now and it most likely wont change. This suspect officiating has been extremely beneficial to Lebron and the Heat since their conception. The NBA seems to do better financially when the Heat and Lebron do better...thus the hype train can continue on it's course. I'll let you put the dots together. :cool:

hmm i could have sworn that you blamed the league losing money on the heat, now they seem to do better financially because of miami winning?? why are you always contradicting yourself?


I live in the real world son, I don't live in the world of Narnia like you and all the Heat fans that already claim Bron Goat.

speaking of the real world,hows your profitable subway franchise doing?:laugh2:

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:07 PM
Yea. Shaqs trade was lopsided.

Um, last I checked he was a free agent when he came aboard the Lakers.. How old are you?

8kobe24
05-28-2013, 07:10 PM
Yea. Shaqs trade was lopsided.

Um, last I checked he was a free agent when he came aboard the Lakers.. How old are you?

tr3ymill3r
05-28-2013, 07:14 PM
If I were a guy on the bench who never played and I got my chance, I would do everything in my power to get under LeBron's skin by flopping and falling all over the court. If he looked at me the wrong way, I'd fall over screaming in pain.

amos1er
05-28-2013, 07:15 PM
jerry west 1 one ring.. always compared to jordan, wilt 2 rings(argued by some to be better), oscar robertson 1 ring always compared... FAIL GTFOH!!

I would treat anyone foolish enough to compare West, Wilt, and Big O to Jordan the same way I treat anyone foolish enough to compare Lebron to Jordan. I would laugh at them all the same. There are also people who still believe the earth was created 5000 years ago. Difference between you and I is I don't use outliers like them to justify my arguments. Lulz.

Aust
05-28-2013, 07:15 PM
:puke:

amos1er
05-28-2013, 07:17 PM
If I were a guy on the bench who never played and I got my chance, I would do everything in my power to get under LeBron's skin by flopping and falling all over the court. If he looked at me the wrong way, I'd fall over screaming in pain.

Only difference is they don't give guys like that the same calls Lebron gets. If some guy at the end of the bench flopped as bad as Lebron, he would get zero calls and the coach would pull him from the game out of embarrassment.

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:23 PM
lol now heat fans are being trolled?

Yea. Actually it's been that way since Lebron joined no?

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:25 PM
Um, last I checked he was a free agent when he came aboard the Lakers.. How old are you?

30. And I forgot they gave them picks for extra yr on his contract. Pretty sure that's all Lebron did no?

ryang
05-28-2013, 07:29 PM
Jordan and Bryant should not be compared to Lebron. Every player is different. No Lebron is not Jordan or Bryant. So what?

bucketss
05-28-2013, 07:31 PM
I would treat anyone foolish enough to compare West, Wilt, and Big O to Jordan the same way I treat anyone foolish enough to compare Lebron to Jordan. I would laugh at them all the same. There are also people who still believe the earth was created 5000 years ago. Difference between you and I is I don't use outliers like them to justify my arguments. Lulz.

lmao1!!!! now the logo and mr.triple double can't even get a comparison??? WTF!!! :laugh: :laugh:, if you ask jordan he wouldn't even tell you he is better than those guys and now they can't get a comparision:facepalm: WILT ****ING CHAMBERLIN??? is jordan god or something??? funny thing is i know you think kobe deserves a comparison but those guys don't :laugh:

amos1er
05-28-2013, 07:53 PM
lmao1!!!! now the logo and mr.triple double can't even get a comparison??? WTF!!! :laugh: :laugh:, if you ask jordan he wouldn't even tell you he is better than those guys and now they can't get a comparision:facepalm: WILT ****ING CHAMBERLIN??? is jordan god or something??? funny thing is i know you think kobe deserves a comparison but those guys don't :laugh:

They were great players, just not worthy of Jordan comparisons. Kobe is the best since Jordan...he is the closest thing to being worthy the comparisons since Jordan. Kobe is easily better than Big O or West. As far as Wilt, he was a big man and that would be a foolish comparison.

bucketss
05-28-2013, 08:00 PM
They were great players, just not worthy of Jordan comparisons. Kobe is the best since Jordan...he is the closest thing to being worthy the comparisons since Jordan. Kobe is easily better than Big O or West. As far as Wilt, he was a big man and that would be a foolish comparison.

easily:rolleyes:

sunnyice
05-28-2013, 08:22 PM
This is so funny, an anti lebron article gets written and kobe fans and Knicks fans come rushing in and out in full force. Look at page 1 all LA fans and NY fans. I was laughing the whole time LOL. I was wondering when Amoser was gonna show up. I expected him to show up in page 1 too but I was wrong.

sunnyice
05-28-2013, 08:24 PM
They were great players, just not worthy of Jordan comparisons. Kobe is the best since Jordan...he is the closest thing to being worthy the comparisons since Jordan. Kobe is easily better than Big O or West. As far as Wilt, he was a big man and that would be a foolish comparison.

How come Kobe said the comparison with him and Jordan are like apples to oranges?

JJ_JKidd
05-28-2013, 08:26 PM
Lebron James


Dwayne Wade


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/22314389/playoffs-as-floptastic-as-ever-and-nba-doing-little-to-curb-problem

LeFlop James

amos1er
05-28-2013, 08:31 PM
hmm i could have sworn that you blamed the league losing money on the heat, now they seem to do better financially because of miami winning?? why are you always contradicting yourself?

Who's contradicting themselves. Not I.

The ratings are down now that the Lakers are out for sure (and that's a fact), but if the Heat were out too, it would be catastrophic. The Heat are all the NBA has right now lol. Sure it's not as good as Kobe and the Lakers, but they will have to make due. Guess we can all blame Nike, Gatorade, and Sprite for the over hype that led to this.

smiddy012
05-28-2013, 08:58 PM
Because that NEVER happens. I could get called for fouling Lebron by breathing too close to my TV.

This made me lol

I remember in the Bulls series Lebron got a foul called where he wasn't even touched. Both Lebron and every other person in the stadium besides the ref who called it couldn't believe it.

As much as we can blame Lebron for flopping, we can't blame him for the fact that refs give him special treatment at times.

sodaddicted
05-28-2013, 09:12 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/6dc3cc13da8dbec52cdb088bb800a363/tumblr_mnjclzhycd1str5who1_500.png

:laugh:

ghettosean
05-28-2013, 09:24 PM
This made me lol

I remember in the Bulls series Lebron got a foul called where he wasn't even touched. Both Lebron and every other person in the stadium besides the ref who called it couldn't believe it.

As much as we can blame Lebron for flopping, we can't blame him for the fact that refs give him special treatment at times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQoGsv_eFE

Think that's the one your talking about and this is the type of stuff I hate when people try to compare him to Jordan it makes me think of a clown being compared to a warrior.

Sad... If anyone can find a clip of MJ doing something as puss as this then post a link I'd love to see it.

bucketss
05-28-2013, 09:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQoGsv_eFE

Think that's the one your talking about and this is the type of stuff I hate when people try to compare him to Jordan it makes me think of a clown being compared to a warrior.

Sad... If anyone can find a clip of MJ doing something as puss as this then post a link I'd love to see it.

i don't know about the wink lebron is just a jokester while jordan is more of an *** hole, but i did find a clip of the great one flopping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjPC15bSk&feature=youtu.be&t=27s

ghettosean
05-28-2013, 10:39 PM
i don't know about the wink lebron is just a jokester while jordan is more of an *** hole, but i did find a clip of the great one flopping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjPC15bSk&feature=youtu.be&t=27s


Watched the 1st 2 minutes and didn't see a flop want to give a time index on this to save everyone 11 minutes of there life here.

Also what Lebron is condoning is not a basketball strategy as he thinks it's cheating plan and simple. Lastly I'm sure an *** hole wouldn't wink after cheating just a jokester :rolleyes:

bucketss
05-28-2013, 10:43 PM
Watched the 1st 2 minutes and didn't see a flop want to give a time index on this to save everyone 11 minutes of there life here.

Also what Lebron is condoning is not a basketball strategy as he thinks it's cheating plan and simple. Lastly I'm sure an *** hole wouldn't wink after cheating just a jokester :rolleyes:

lol when you press the link it takes you straight to 27 secs in where jordan clearly flops, keep polishing jordans throne SMH.

chi-townlove1
05-28-2013, 10:51 PM
i'd imagine most coaches and players feel the same way. i'm sure most coaches encourage it too.


embellishing isn't ever, nor should it ever, go away. blatant flops to completely deceive refs need to go away...like the ones when you're not even touched. but if you get fouled and embellish it a little, well, that's always been a part of the game and always will be. we're much more focused on it now and cry about every tiny act of embellishment now, and that's why it looks like an epidemic.

How bout these players just man up and take a little hit every now and then. Get your *** back up once your knocked down and run back down the court. Play with heart, stop trying to cry your way to victory.

koreancabbage
05-28-2013, 11:26 PM
EVERYONE FLOPS.

everyone is trying to sell the call.

kdspurman
05-28-2013, 11:30 PM
He's been studying some old CP3 tapes I see-

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

JC_
05-28-2013, 11:39 PM
Who's contradicting themselves. Not I.

The ratings are down now that the Lakers are out for sure (and that's a fact), but if the Heat were out too, it would be catastrophic. The Heat are all the NBA has right now lol. Sure it's not as good as Kobe and the Lakers, but they will have to make due. Guess we can all blame Nike, Gatorade, and Sprite for the over hype that led to this.

Blame the Lakers for having great players and sucking.

HeaTxRipZz
05-28-2013, 11:57 PM
He's been studying some old CP3 tapes I see-

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

Vlade!!!!!

smiddy012
05-29-2013, 12:36 AM
i don't know about the wink lebron is just a jokester while jordan is more of an *** hole, but i did find a clip of the great one flopping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjPC15bSk&feature=youtu.be&t=27s

.... another crap example. MJ would've taken an elbow to the face had he stood his ground.
And even if that was a good & clear example, which it isn't, "flopping" on charges is probably the most traditional of the variety.

smiddy012
05-29-2013, 12:43 AM
Avoiding contact at the point in which you avoid collision, yet can still get a foul call, is not flopping, its actually a skillset, and at its very most an artform. It requires great body control and anticipation. Wade does this well. MJ did this well. Lebron isn't as good at it, so he flops, and enough refs buy into it to make it worthwhile for LBJ.

jam
05-29-2013, 01:07 AM
What a ******. Dude should be inducted into the WWE hall of fame.


Lebron James


Dwayne Wade


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/22314389/playoffs-as-floptastic-as-ever-and-nba-doing-little-to-curb-problem

amos1er
05-29-2013, 03:06 AM
Blame the Lakers for having great players and sucking.

I mostly blame Jim Buss for passing on Phil and foolishly hiring D'Antoni instead.

naps
05-29-2013, 03:22 AM
Ofcourse, players try to take advantage of it. Who doesn't? If the refs can't catch it it's not players' fault. Kobephiles be aware before coming here acting as if Kobe doesn't flop because it'll take 20 seconds to prove he does it, blatantly in fact.

amos1er
05-29-2013, 03:30 AM
Ofcourse, players try to take advantage of it. Who doesn't? If the refs can't catch it it's not players' fault. Kobephiles be aware before coming here acting as if Kobe doesn't flop because it'll take 20 seconds to prove he does it, blatantly in fact.

You will have a better chance proving Kobe is a dirty player rather than a flopper. Not that I think he is either, but just saying that you will have a better chance with the former. You might find a few isolated incidents, but I can guarantee that you will not be able to show any sort of consistency or pattern. He is nowhere near Lebron, Wade, or Bosh's level thats for sure.

jerellh528
05-29-2013, 03:57 AM
Duh, this isn't new. Lebron and Wade are big floppers..well lebron never used to be so bad until he learned bad habbits from wade as far as the art of the flop in concerned.

--23--
05-29-2013, 05:30 AM
He's been studying some old CP3 tapes I see-

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif


I said it once and i'll say it again. The NBA need to start suspending players for doing this(starting with some stars), there was no contact there that will force a player to fall like that. I'm sure the league will look the other way and do nothing tho.

Kashmir13579
05-29-2013, 08:30 AM
lol, ladies and gentlemen, that is your very best basketball player in the world speaking.

Are you saying he isn't?

sager729
05-29-2013, 09:02 AM
No LeBron said he doesn't flop, but this is from last night's game.

LeBron doesn't flop, oh wait! (http://boston.barstoolsports.com/super-page/bron-bron-dont-flop-and-bron-bron-dont-foul-out-according-to-bron-bron/)

ghettosean
05-29-2013, 10:10 AM
lol when you press the link it takes you straight to 27 secs in where jordan clearly flops, keep polishing jordans throne SMH.

Wow you are really hell bent on discrediting Jordan... Anyway your example was pretty crappy I mean Isiah was barreling into Jordan and he tried to avoid getting smacked in the face by Isiahs elbow. He didn't sit on the ground holding his face or anything like Lebron or even Bosh in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h60uviwKC0&noredirect=1

and Leflop again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQoGsv_eFE

Seriously these are pathetic all I can see you your video is Jordan trying to avoid contact not selling a show after he avoids it.

Nice try but try harder next time.

D-Leethal
05-29-2013, 10:12 AM
Are you saying he isn't?

No, I'm saying the best and most physically imposing player in the world thinks flopping around like a fish out of water is OK. This guy is the face of league and we expect other players to not follow suit?

ghettosean
05-29-2013, 10:13 AM
He's been studying some old CP3 tapes I see-

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

This is just getting pathetic honestly this is the best player in the league and he does this on a regular basis. This kind of crap is what is making the league unwatchable now a days because **** like this is more and more common and you get players like Lebron trying to justify that it's a strategy WHEN IT'S CHEATING Honestly I know kids on playgrounds that play harder ball than this... I hope the newer generation of ball players are practicing there crossovers instead of practicing there flop techniques :pity:

Mcdoh
05-29-2013, 10:57 AM
leFlop..

sintaks12
05-29-2013, 01:29 PM
This is just getting pathetic honestly this is the best player in the league and he does this on a regular basis. This kind of crap is what is making the league unwatchable now a days because **** like this is more and more common and you get players like Lebron trying to justify that it's a strategy WHEN IT'S CHEATING Honestly I know kids on playgrounds that play harder ball than this... I hope the newer generation of ball players are practicing there crossovers instead of practicing there flop techniques :pity:

I don't know if it's cheating but have some pride, holy cow. Coming from a guy who has "studied every player in this league." One who "knows everyone's tendencies, strengths and weaknesses and "guards every position on the floor." A player who was incorrectly not awarded the DPOY award MUCH to his surprise. Surely a player of that caliber doesn't have to resort to trickery to gain an advantage. All he should have to do is suit up... he already has the advantage. At least he will tell you as much. LOL. Such a humble guy. Great player, no question. Biggest.Tool.Ever.

Shmontaine
05-29-2013, 02:16 PM
He's been studying some old CP3 tapes I see-

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

Wow. i had deja vu just now. I thought that was Michael Jordan until i finally saw the '6' on the jersey. flashback to the flop-tastic MJ right there..

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-29-2013, 02:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQoGsv_eFE

Think that's the one your talking about and this is the type of stuff I hate when people try to compare him to Jordan it makes me think of a clown being compared to a warrior.

Sad... If anyone can find a clip of MJ doing something as puss as this then post a link I'd love to see it.MJ is a legend he would never do that.


i don't know about the wink lebron is just a jokester while jordan is more of an *** hole, but i did find a clip of the great one flopping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tjPC15bSk&feature=youtu.be&t=27sThat's your best attempt at showing Jordan flop? HAHAHAHAHAHA.


What a ******. Dude should be inducted into the WWE hall of fame.+1

2-ONE-5
05-29-2013, 03:03 PM
you would never hear Jordan say something like this

ColtsSpursTerps
05-29-2013, 03:13 PM
lol, ladies and gentlemen, that is your very best basketball player in the world speaking.

this.

bucketss
05-29-2013, 03:25 PM
Wow you are really hell bent on discrediting Jordan... Anyway your example was pretty crappy I mean Isiah was barreling into Jordan and he tried to avoid getting smacked in the face by Isiahs elbow. He didn't sit on the ground holding his face or anything like Lebron or even Bosh in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h60uviwKC0&noredirect=1

and Leflop again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwQoGsv_eFE

Seriously these are pathetic all I can see you your video is Jordan trying to avoid contact not selling a show after he avoids it.

Nice try but try harder next time.

the 90 pound isiah was not barreling into jordan and he hit no where near jordans face, jordan reacted before even any contact, seriously watch the replay at 45 secs, like i said keep polishing jordans throne...

ryang
05-29-2013, 04:00 PM
Why do people continually compare Jordan to Lebron? Jordan is better. So what. He's also better then pretty much anybody to play this game. We get it. As far as attitude goes or being a good perso. Lebron has that over him yet you continue to make it seem like Lebron is some baby snatcher. Get a life and enjoy the superstars in TODAY'S game. We all know how good Jordan was. We also know there probably won't be another Jordan. Satisfied?

bucketss
05-29-2013, 04:07 PM
Why do people continually compare Jordan to Lebron? Jordan is better. So what. He's also better then pretty much anybody to play this game. We get it. As far as attitude goes or being a good perso. Lebron has that over him yet you continue to make it seem like Lebron is some baby snatcher. Get a life and enjoy the superstars in TODAY'S game. We all know how good Jordan was. We also know there probably won't be another Jordan. Satisfied?

apparently you can only compare jordan to lebron when its to make lebron look bad, jordan legacy attorneys are the worst thank goodness that douchebag retired.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-29-2013, 04:23 PM
Why do people continually compare Jordan to Lebron? Jordan is better. So what. He's also better then pretty much anybody to play this game. We get it. As far as attitude goes or being a good perso. Lebron has that over him yet you continue to make it seem like Lebron is some baby snatcher. Get a life and enjoy the superstars in TODAY'S game. We all know how good Jordan was. We also know there probably won't be another Jordan. Satisfied?

About damn time one of you Heat fans tells the truth. Now all we need is for the other 215 Heat fans to stop claiming Lebron to be goat already,and only then will we be satisfied.

TopsyTurvy
05-29-2013, 04:26 PM
I don't the complaint about flopping at all. It's a very small leap to go from crying foul when a player feels he was fouled to selling that same contact with a flop. It happens in every sport. It's built into the competition as a result of fouls existing in the first place. The only way to remove flopping, complaining, or soft fouls is to remove foul calls from the game entirely to eliminate every opportunity to gain a competitive advantage.

Shmontaine
05-29-2013, 04:30 PM
the 90 pound isiah was not barreling into jordan and he hit no where near jordans face, jordan reacted before even any contact, seriously watch the replay at 45 secs, like i said keep polishing jordans throne...

This is your proof that MJ flopped? really? Isiah leading with his elbow into MJ's chest and up towards his head.

http://s24.postimg.org/nrrpx8uyc/image.jpg

i watched...

ATX
05-29-2013, 04:31 PM
About damn time one of you Heat fans tells the truth. Now all we need is for the other 215 Heat fans to stop claiming Lebron to be goat already,and only then will we be satisfied.

Are you capable of creating a sentence without referencing LeBron or the Heat? I feel sorry for the hate you must endure. Only when you stop trolling will the forum be satisfied.

PurpleJesus
05-29-2013, 04:32 PM
flopping has and always will be part of the game. Before the youtube and internet message board days, people used to call flopping a veteran move to draw a foul.

bucketss
05-29-2013, 04:42 PM
This is your proof that MJ flopped? really? Isiah leading with his elbow into MJ's chest and up towards his head.

http://s24.postimg.org/nrrpx8uyc/image.jpg

i watched...

lol look at that pic you posted, if that is not a flop than i don't know what is.. maybe you should try removing your homer goggles.

Shmontaine
05-29-2013, 04:56 PM
lol look at that pic you posted,

i did, many times. is he supposed to take one on the chin? contact was initiated by thomas in the chest and his elbow was going toward MJ's face.. he moved to avoid getting hit in the face.. does that constitute a flop to you?


if that is not a flop than i don't know what is..

the occurrences where no contact is initiated and a player pretends that contact was made in order to draw a foul. there are plenty of instances in this thread alone for your to tell the difference.


maybe you should try removing your homer goggles.

because clearly, you're just being objective here...

8kobe24
05-29-2013, 05:00 PM
To be the best, you gotta flop the best. No ?s askd.

bucketss
05-29-2013, 05:00 PM
i did, many times. is he supposed to take one on the chin? contact was initiated by thomas in the chest and his elbow was going toward MJ's face.. he moved to avoid getting hit in the face.. does that constitute a flop to you?



the occurrences where no contact is initiated and a player pretends that contact was made in order to draw a foul. there are plenty of instances in this thread alone for your to tell the difference.



because clearly, you're just being objective here...

or when little contact is made and player decides to fall on his ***.

Shmontaine
05-29-2013, 05:24 PM
or when little contact is made and player decides to fall on his ***.

actually, i tend to disagree. there's selling a foul, and there's flopping. If a genuine foul occurred, then a player can do what he needs to do to ensure the correct call is made. it's the flip side that is creating a huge problem, when a player acts like he was fouled to get a call that is unjust, or not warranted. i get that this is the entire problem here, because the onus is now on the refs to determine if there was a foul without basing on the after foul antics. part of it is the refs fault, and the "well, i didn't see it, so how do i know there was a foul" reasoning has lent players to 'showing' there was a foul, which has lent players to 'acting' like they got fouled.

I think it started with the refs, and if it's going to end, it has to start with the refs as well... i don't 'blame' James for doing it per se, but it's a pansy way to play and not what the game is about. i believe the best players should represent what's best about the NBA, not about what has become a cheap way to draw and unjust foul.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-29-2013, 07:19 PM
Are you capable of creating a sentence without referencing LeBron or the Heat? I feel sorry for the hate you must endure. Only when you stop trolling will the forum be satisfied.

;)

TopsyTurvy
05-29-2013, 07:21 PM
there's selling a foul, and there's flopping. If a genuine foul occurred, then a player can do what he needs to do to ensure the correct call is made. it's the flip side that is creating a huge problem, when a player acts like he was fouled to get a call that is unjust, or not warranted. i get that this is the entire problem here, because the onus is now on the refs to determine if there was a foul without basing on the after foul antics. part of it is the refs fault, and the "well, i didn't see it, so how do i know there was a foul" reasoning has lent players to 'showing' there was a foul, which has lent players to 'acting' like they got fouled.

I think it started with the refs, and if it's going to end, it has to start with the refs as well... i don't 'blame' James for doing it per se, but it's a pansy way to play and not what the game is about. i believe the best players should represent what's best about the NBA, not about what has become a cheap way to draw and unjust foul.

You are missing the point on multiple levels. So long as there is a competitive advantage given to the fouled player/team and foul calling is based on a non-arbitrary decision, there will be "flopping." There's simply no way to prevent the behavior unless the competitive advantage becomes negligible or is completely removed from the game. Though the punishment for "flopping," may increase, that is not a guarantee the behavior will stop (in fact, as that punishment increases, the responsibility for officials to make yet ANOTHER call increases by way of adding another factor to decision processes).

I don't think flopping is a problem or in any way detrimental to the league or game it represents. It's all a part of the competition. People just need to accept it and move on. Rules are written to be black and white, either the foul occurred or it did not. Throwing a subjective value into the process detracts from the game as a whole and is better left out of the hands of those officiating the game in the first place.

This is how the NBA is handling it and I agree this is how it should be handled:
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/04/18/playoffs-flopping-rules/index.html

[SPOILER TAG]

Posted Apr 18, 2013 2:12 PM

NEW YORK -- The NBA has set the league's anti-flopping disciplinary schedule to be used during the 2013 Playoffs, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations Stu Jackson announced today.

"Flopping" is defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

The NBA's anti-flopping rule, adopted at the beginning of the 2012-13 season, had 24 violations during the 2012-13 regular season. Fourteen players received warnings while five players received a $5,000 fine for violating the anti-flopping rule twice.

Physical acts that constitute legitimate basketball plays (such as moving to a spot in order to draw an offensive foul) and minor physical reactions to contact are not deemed to be flops.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine
Violation 2: $10,000 fine
Violation 3: $15,000 fine
Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension. [/SPOILER TAG]


A fine administered after the game - nothing else.

Doogolas
05-29-2013, 07:47 PM
You are missing the point on multiple levels. So long as there is a competitive advantage given to the fouled player/team and foul calling is based on a non-arbitrary decision, there will be "flopping." There's simply no way to prevent the behavior unless the competitive advantage becomes negligible or is completely removed from the game. Though the punishment for "flopping," may increase, that is not a guarantee the behavior will stop (in fact, as that punishment increases, the responsibility for officials to make yet ANOTHER call increases by way of adding another factor to decision processes).

I don't think flopping is a problem or in any way detrimental to the league or game it represents. It's all a part of the competition. People just need to accept it and move on. Rules are written to be black and white, either the foul occurred or it did not. Throwing a subjective value into the process detracts from the game as a whole and is better left out of the hands of those officiating the game in the first place.

This is how the NBA is handling it and I agree this is how it should be handled:
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/04/18/playoffs-flopping-rules/index.html

[SPOILER TAG]

Posted Apr 18, 2013 2:12 PM

NEW YORK -- The NBA has set the league's anti-flopping disciplinary schedule to be used during the 2013 Playoffs, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations Stu Jackson announced today.

"Flopping" is defined as any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player. The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact.

The NBA's anti-flopping rule, adopted at the beginning of the 2012-13 season, had 24 violations during the 2012-13 regular season. Fourteen players received warnings while five players received a $5,000 fine for violating the anti-flopping rule twice.

Physical acts that constitute legitimate basketball plays (such as moving to a spot in order to draw an offensive foul) and minor physical reactions to contact are not deemed to be flops.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine
Violation 2: $10,000 fine
Violation 3: $15,000 fine
Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension. [/SPOILER TAG]


A fine administered after the game - nothing else.

Eh. The fine is hardly enough to actually do anything though. And the fact of the matter is, that flopping could easily be handled in a manner similar to a clear path foul, where they look at it if one of the refs think it may have occurred on a called foul. If no foul is called, it is irrelevant. But if a foul is called and one of the other refs feel someone was full of ****, they can look at it and waive the foul/award the team that the foul was called against the ball, essentially it's a turnover. People can be sent their fine and pay it later.

It at least takes away some of the competitive advantage of flopping. Especially the blatant, ridiculous as hell ones, like LeBron doing it and winking at the camera. It's annoying as ****. Gets people fouls they do not deserve, and can have a huge impact on the game.

3ballbomber
05-29-2013, 09:00 PM
lebron james is the worst champion in nba history. deal w/ it.

bucketss
05-29-2013, 09:08 PM
lebron james is the worst champion in nba history. deal w/ it.

u mad? is your butt frustrated?

ATX
05-29-2013, 09:18 PM
lebron james is the worst champion in nba history. deal w/ it.

Says who, you? Hahaha

Do you think your opinion devalues him in the eyes of those who matter in the NBA, media and even his fans. You just sound like the two biggest un-objective haters Illusionist and Amos1er now. Good job!

bucketss
05-29-2013, 09:26 PM
Says who, you? Hahaha

Do you think your opinion devalues him in the eyes of those who matter in the NBA, media and even his fans. You just sound like the two biggest un-objective haters Illusionist and Amos1er now. Good job!

hes probably another jordan throne polisher, those guys get real mad at lebron lmao.

king2218
05-29-2013, 09:44 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22315303/gif-lebron-james-flops-and-then-david-west-flops-off-his-flop

And Lebron says he doesn't flop...

TopsyTurvy
05-29-2013, 11:23 PM
Eh. The fine is hardly enough to actually do anything though. And the fact of the matter is, that flopping could easily be handled in a manner similar to a clear path foul, where they look at it if one of the refs think it may have occurred on a called foul. If no foul is called, it is irrelevant. But if a foul is called and one of the other refs feel someone was full of ****, they can look at it and waive the foul/award the team that the foul was called against the ball, essentially it's a turnover. People can be sent their fine and pay it later.

It at least takes away some of the competitive advantage of flopping. Especially the blatant, ridiculous as hell ones, like LeBron doing it and winking at the camera. It's annoying as ****. Gets people fouls they do not deserve, and can have a huge impact on the game.

I agree the fine does little, but it monetizes the situation. Again, if the NBA thought the behavior occurred too often, the fines would be much steeper and the penalties more harsh. I don't think anyone in the NBA wants to see more reviews occurring on the sidelines for two to three minutes while officials watch a replay - least of all to discern a flop.

I don't differentiate between selling a foul and a flop. Both actions are one and the same - unsportsmanlike behavior.

Celticsfan2007
05-29-2013, 11:35 PM
Very sad, really.

ryang
05-30-2013, 12:24 AM
lebron james is the worst champion in nba history. deal w/ it.

Sounds like its something you have to deal with. We're fine. And your comment is laughable to say the least.

jam
05-30-2013, 04:29 AM
Kate Upton was SO MUCH HOTTER when she was 18.

Huh? What's this thread about?

kdspurman
05-30-2013, 09:43 AM
NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 5m
David West, Lance Stephenson and LeBron James have been fined $5,000 for flopping in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

xRipCity
05-30-2013, 09:52 AM
NBA Legion ‏@MySportsLegion 5m
David West, Lance Stephenson and LeBron James have been fined $5,000 for flopping in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Good, I saw all 3 of these flops and shouted FINE HIM! when they happened

But seriously what is $5000 going to do? LeBron makes nearly $70 mil this year. He would flop 1000 times over if that's what it took to get a ring.

There needs to be a foul call for excessive flopping. A financial penalty will not solve the issue in the playoffs.

Slug3
05-30-2013, 09:58 AM
The West/Lebron flop sequence was horrible to watch. They both deserved that.

kdspurman
05-30-2013, 10:07 AM
Good, I saw all 3 of these flops and shouted FINE HIM! when they happened

But seriously what is $5000 going to do? LeBron makes nearly $70 mil this year. He would flop 1000 times over if that's what it took to get a ring.

There needs to be a foul call for excessive flopping. A financial penalty will not solve the issue in the playoffs.

Yea 5k is nothing to these guys. It's pretty much equivalent to a warning. 2nd offense in the playoffs is 10k, then 15k, then 30k.

xRipCity
05-30-2013, 10:56 AM
Yea 5k is nothing to these guys. It's pretty much equivalent to a warning. 2nd offense in the playoffs is 10k, then 15k, then 30k.

Each continuing foul to LeBron is worth more than that to the Pacers.