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JasonJohnHorn
05-28-2013, 08:16 AM
After Memphis won their first and second round match-ups against the Clippers and Thunder, many claimed the what-if Gay scenarios were redundant; that the Grizzlies had enough scoring options. I wasn't convinced, most especially because they beat a Clippers squad that was short their leading scoring and rebounder (Griffen) while the Thunder were missing their primary ball handler and second leading scorer (Westbrook). Both those teams are considerably worse without those respective players.

The Spur swept the series, this is true, but it was one of the closest sweeps in NBA history. Two games went into overtime and the final game was decided in the final minutes with a victory margin of a meager seven points.

Prince is a great addition to any roster, but not necessarily at the expense of a team's best scorer. And yes, Gay's percentages were down this year, but he's still an All-Star caliber player.


So the question is: Did the Gay trade ruin Memphis's shot at the NBA finals? Or were these guys only there because of injuries to BG and Westy and would have lost to a healthy Spurs roster with or without Gay, even if he extended the series by a couple of games?


What are your thoughts?

Cal827
05-28-2013, 08:22 AM
Yes, he would have made a difference.... they would have been taken out in the 1st round with him :facepalm:

ManningToTyree
05-28-2013, 08:29 AM
They wouldn't have made it this far. Gay wasn't a fit in memphis. He put up nnumbers but didn't make the team better. with him gone they were able to take on a defensive identity that guided them past LAC and OKC's high powered offenses (even if they were depleted.).

koreancabbage
05-28-2013, 08:37 AM
with or without him, they wouldn't have made it b/c he's not an efficient shooter and considering he's a volume shooter with poor %s, every possession is key.

however, who else could have taken over a game for Memphis when basically Memphis had no wing presence. No one to go to on the perimeter when everything inside was shut down. Ginobili/Danny Green and Leonard had a holiday on defense.

In this series, Gay would probably have helped.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 08:58 AM
It doesn't have to be Gay, but they need a guy who can create a shot in the halfcourt to get to the next level. Pierce is someone they should target but not sure if he would want to play in Memphis.

c.c.
05-28-2013, 09:20 AM
It doesn't have to be Gay, but they need a guy who can create a shot in the halfcourt to get to the next level. Pierce is someone they should target but not sure if he would want to play in Memphis.

Why though? Danny Ainge clearly doesn't care about him and the Grizzlies are better than the Celtics

koreancabbage
05-28-2013, 09:27 AM
It doesn't have to be Gay, but they need a guy who can create a shot in the halfcourt to get to the next level. Pierce is someone they should target but not sure if he would want to play in Memphis.

I think in this matchup b/w SA and MEM, Gay would have helped significantly. Not just for the team but for Randolph.

Of course it could be anyone, but lets just say it had to be Gay cuz they had him. Prince's defense has been somewhat irrelevant cuz the Spurs don't rely on Leonard's offense - and the fact that Leonard is shooting amazing percentages, it might as well have been Gay playing defense.

Gasol has grown up this year big time. which is really offsetting the loss of Gay. but they are still hiding the fact they still need a scorer. They could have let the team grow together and see what Gay could have done with the current roster- only one playoff series together.

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 09:31 AM
Why though? Danny Ainge clearly doesn't care about him and the Grizzlies are better than the Celtics

Lets face it - Memphis isn't really a desirable market to play in, its hard to convince a guy to CHOOSE to spend his last days there. He is going to have the choice of where he ends up either via trade or buyout. Cs won't send him somewhere without him being OK with it.

That said, not sure he's the type to really care about market size, national publicity etc...

Something tells me he tries to make his way back home to a Cali team - Lakers/Clips/Dubs.

Tmath
05-28-2013, 09:37 AM
Considering the production they got from Prince in the playoffs... Yes, I absolutely think Rudy would have made a difference.

I doubt they would have beat San Antonio, but I would give them a much better shot beating the Spurs with Rudy, than without.

ManRam
05-28-2013, 10:05 AM
i'm not sure it's any of those. i don't think they're better with him as a whole, but he could have stole a game this series for them. however, i'm not even certain the pre-trade grizzlies make it to the WCF with him in the first place.


he's certainly not turning a sweep into a series win. that's just a stupid opinion to have honestly.

Jamiecballer
05-28-2013, 10:13 AM
i'm not sure it's any of those. i don't think they're better with him as a whole, but he could have stole a game this series for them. however, i'm not even certain the pre-trade grizzlies make it to the WCF with him in the first place.


he's certainly not turning a sweep into a series win. that's just a stupid opinion to have honestly.
this in just about every way possible. he might steal them a game but they are a better team or equal team without him.

Mcdoh
05-28-2013, 10:18 AM
maybe memphis with gay can steal 1 or 2 wins against the spurs but spurs will still win the series..

xRipCity
05-28-2013, 10:41 AM
Everyone automatically assumes that Rudy Gay helped the team.

He was a volume scorer that didn't fit, the Grizzlies were a better team with a veteran defensive specialist in Tayshaun Prince. The trade ended up focusing more of the offense on a higher efficiency game with one of the greatest 4, 5 punches in the league in Z bo/Gasol. Also Conley came into his own, as Memphis hoped, as a direct result of the trade

king4day
05-28-2013, 10:42 AM
I wonder how the Griz woulda done had Dallas accepted the offer to be the 3rd team and trade Memphis Vince Carter

Tmath
05-28-2013, 11:04 AM
Everyone automatically assumes that Rudy Gay helped the team.

He was a volume scorer that didn't fit, the Grizzlies were a better team with a veteran defensive specialist in Tayshaun Prince. The trade ended up focusing more of the offense on a higher efficiency game with one of the greatest 4, 5 punches in the league in Z bo/Gasol. Also Conley came into his own, as Memphis hoped, as a direct result of the trade

Gay is a better defender than Prince at this point of their careers and Prince doesn't half half the offensive talent Rudy brings.

Prince was good for Memphis in the regular season, but in the series with San Antonio, they were shown to be too one dimensional. Take away Randolph as a scoring option and the Grizzlies had nothing. Rudy although inefficient, is still a threat on the perimeter, and a guy that can create for himself at the end of shot clocks.

kobe4thewinbang
05-28-2013, 11:53 AM
I think San Antonio wouldn't have been able to put so much pressure on Z-Bo if Gay was still around to draw their attention. Then Z-Bo might've had a good series.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 12:14 PM
i'm not sure it's any of those. i don't think they're better with him as a whole, but he could have stole a game this series for them. however, i'm not even certain the pre-trade grizzlies make it to the WCF with him in the first place.


he's certainly not turning a sweep into a series win. that's just a stupid opinion to have honestly.

cant come any more correct than this.

kenzo400
05-28-2013, 12:24 PM
I really don't think that Memphis is a better team without Rudy Gay. They lost their first round series against the Clippers last year largely because Randolph was injured. They beat the Clippers this year because Randolph was much better and Gasol has taken his game to a whole other level.

Gay certainly would have helped against the Spurs. Simply by taking focus away from Randolph. Spurs completely shut Randolph down this series.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 12:25 PM
they were better with gay,

imagine the match up problems he caused and the defence he attracted .. I dunno how people are soooooo sure he would make no difference .. It's funny how people gain opinions and are able to create what if scenarios in Their mind. The truth is no one here knows what could have happened but everyone will pretend they know for certain.

Hangtime
05-28-2013, 12:28 PM
I don't think they win this series with Gay. The Spurs had a solid defensive game plan to take the bigs out of the equation. If anything, the presence of Gay makes Gasol more passive with him on the court. Pop was determined to crowd the paint thus making driving lanes impossible. This in effect turns the Grizz into more of a jumpshooting oriented team which is basically what happened against the Clips last year when they had Kmart and Reggie Evans.

Not to mention what happens defensively with Gay on the court. They are a much better defensive unit without him which is what kept them in these games. They wouldn't have defended the pick and roll any better than the poor job they did. Parker was just unstoppable and was able to find the shooters. Let's face it, the Spurs had added motivation to beat these guys and avenge the first round loss.

Whether Rudy helps them win one or two more games is irrelevant to me, they still lose this series.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 12:32 PM
cant come any more correct than this.

I disagree completely with what rams crystal ball and fortune cookie says.

LongWayFromHome
05-28-2013, 12:33 PM
Lets face it - Memphis isn't really a desirable market to play in, its hard to convince a guy to CHOOSE to spend his last days there. He is going to have the choice of where he ends up either via trade or buyout. Cs won't send him somewhere without him being OK with it.

That said, not sure he's the type to really care about market size, national publicity etc...

Something tells me he tries to make his way back home to a Cali team - Lakers/Clips/Dubs.

1 - The greater Memphis area is a nicer place to live than Boston
2 - Memphis is a slightly larger city than Boston
3 - The Celtics are going to send him wherever they get the best value for him. Seriously. They are not going to ask him if its ok if they are getting the best deal.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 12:37 PM
I disagree completely with what rams crystal ball and fortune cookie says.
lol everyone is basically "using a crystal ball"...these are all what if scenarios. The only thing we're certain of is what happened. All I can say is that they've had like 4-5 years of Rudy Gay and never made a playoff run once with him. They'd either not make the playoffs of lose in the 1st round.

Memphis didn't need another guy who couldn't shoot. they needed a floor spacer. OJ Mayo was the one who was missed in this series more than Rudy Gay

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 01:01 PM
lol everyone is basically "using a crystal ball"...these are all what if scenarios. The only thing we're certain of is what happened. All I can say is that they've had like 4-5 years of Rudy Gay and never made a playoff run once with him. They'd either not make the playoffs of lose in the 1st round.

Memphis didn't need another guy who couldn't shoot. they needed a floor spacer. OJ Mayo was the one who was missed in this series more than Rudy Gay

Since the 2010-11 season when Memphis started making the playoffs they beat San Antonio in the first round. Spurs were a 1st seed, grizz came in as the 8th seed. Gay was injured. The following year vs the clippers zbo was injured. they rarely ever had gay and zbo together in the post season. They rarely had a healthy squad with both of them in the line up in the playoffs ...

So I stick to my original statement.. Who knows what could have happened. Honestly none of us can say for certain either way.

this year the series was mostly decided in overtime quarters, do I think a scorer or "closer" would have helped? Absolutely, does it mean they would have won the series? Who the **** knows lol maybe not..

Gay gets the same hate as Kobe, and Melo do... They are arent efficient scorers... But those same inefficient scorers do win close games. so I def think gay would have helped. To what extent ? I can't say , but I'm surprised how others pretty much know for sure hahaha that's funny to me.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 01:16 PM
plus I a imagine gay attracts 10 times more of the defence' attention than prince does. Gays presence spread the floor out more for zbo & gasol to work inside..

Shlumpledink
05-28-2013, 01:22 PM
Gay would have been a tough cover for SAS. He is dynamic and better at everything than Tayshaun Prince. It's hard to say they would have won the series with one personnel change, but they would at least win a game or two.

dalton749
05-28-2013, 01:23 PM
as his regular chucking self no, if they forced him to play a more reserved role and switched him to third option he would have a more efficient, bigger impact than prince

Raps18-19 Champ
05-28-2013, 01:25 PM
If they kept Rudy Gay, they might not have reached the WCF.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 01:27 PM
Since the 2010-11 season when Memphis started making the playoffs they beat San Antonio in the first round. Spurs were a 1st seed, grizz came in as the 8th seed. Gay was injured. The following year vs the clippers zbo was injured. they rarely ever had gay and zbo together in the post season. They rarely had a healthy squad with both of them in the line up in the playoffs ...

So I stick to my original statement.. Who knows what could have happened. Honestly none of us can say for certain either way.

this year the series was mostly decided in overtime quarters, do I think a scorer or "closer" would have helped? Absolutely, does it mean they would have won the series? Who the **** knows lol maybe not..

Gay gets the same hate as Kobe, and Melo do... They are arent efficient scorers... But those same inefficient scorers do win close games. so I def think gay would have helped. To what extent ? I can't say , but I'm surprised how others pretty much know for sure hahaha that's funny to me.

Kobe and Melo are bonafide #1 options tho so that's different. They aren't nearly as inefficient as him

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 01:30 PM
plus I a imagine gay attracts 10 times more of the defence' attention than prince does. Gays presence spread the floor out more for zbo & gasol to work inside..

Gay doesn't spread the floor either because he's also a crap 3 pt shooter. He attracts the defense yea, but they'd just sag off and let him shoot those mid-range and 3pt shots he misses so often

Hangtime
05-28-2013, 01:34 PM
Gay doesn't spread the floor either because he's also a crap 3 pt shooter. He attracts the defense yea, but they'd just sag off and let him shoot those mid-range and 3pt shots he misses so often

Absolutely.......The idea was to crowd the lane, limit the rebounds for the Grizz, and force them into shooting jumpers. Front Zbo and keep Gasol on the perimeter. Rudy probably would have taken more low percentage shots taking Gasol completely out of the game.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 01:36 PM
lol sure guys... The guy has his worst year % wise.. Lets just run with that ...

D-Leethal
05-28-2013, 01:38 PM
1 - The greater Memphis area is a nicer place to live than Boston
2 - Memphis is a slightly larger city than Boston
3 - The Celtics are going to send him wherever they get the best value for him. Seriously. They are not going to ask him if its ok if they are getting the best deal.

1) Thats nice.
2) Size of city is irrelevant. Memphis is a franchise that nobody talks about and casual fans don't even know exist. They are not a large basketball market, don't have a large fan base, don't get any national attention. Celtics are the most storied franchise in basketball.
3) I doubt that. There are already rumors of them negotiating a buyout to let him go where he pleases. He would probably retire before he went to a team he didn't want to finish his career with.

MrfadeawayJB
05-28-2013, 01:38 PM
i'm not sure it's any of those. i don't think they're better with him as a whole, but he could have stole a game this series for them. however, i'm not even certain the pre-trade grizzlies make it to the WCF with him in the first place.


he's certainly not turning a sweep into a series win. that's just a stupid opinion to have honestly.

Pretty much this. Gay has value in crunch time when you need a shot creator. However his inefficiency the first 46 mins of the game can kill a team. I doubt we would get out of the first round with him because our strength was clearly the interior and we exploited it to the max

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 01:39 PM
Another thing ..this grizz team beat the spurs two seasons ago with out gay, they are capable of doing it again.

I simply think they are a better team with gay than with out.

MrfadeawayJB
05-28-2013, 01:41 PM
[QUOTE=xRipCity;26317436]Everyone automatically assumes that Rudy Gay helped the team.

He was a volume scorer that didn't fit, the Grizzlies were a better team with a veteran defensive specialist in Tayshaun Prince. The trade ended up focusing more of the offense on a higher efficiency game with one of the greatest 4, 5 punches in the league in Z bo/Gasol. Also Conley came into his own, as Memphis hoped, as a direct result of the trade

Gay is a better defender than Prince at this point of their careers and Prince doesn't half half the offensive talent Rudy brings.

Prince was good for Memphis in the regular season, but in the series with San Antonio, they were shown to be too one dimensional. Take away Randolph as a scoring option and the Grizzlies had nothing. Rudy although inefficient, is still a threat on the perimeter, and a guy that can create for himself at the end of shot clocks.[/QUOTE

Only when Gay wants to defend which is a rare feat in itself. Gay has the tools but not the want to

JordansBulls
05-28-2013, 01:48 PM
Yeah he would have made a difference. The Grizzlies would have lost in round 1 to the Clippers instead.

Tmath
05-28-2013, 01:49 PM
Only when Gay wants to defend which is a rare feat in itself. Gay has the tools but not the want to

He was an excellent defender for the Raps. He just doesn't look like he tries because his game is so smooth.

MrfadeawayJB
05-28-2013, 01:50 PM
Only when Gay wants to defend which is a rare feat in itself. Gay has the tools but not the want to

He was an excellent defender for the Raps. He just doesn't look like he tries because his game is so smooth.

He's just trying to make a good impression. Get back to me at the end of next season

Tmath
05-28-2013, 01:53 PM
Yeah he would have made a difference. The Grizzlies would have lost in round 1 to the Clippers instead.

That is just a dumb statement. The fact is nobody knows how far the Grizz would have went this season with Rudy.

The only thing that matters is he improved the team he was traded too, and he did.

Chronz
05-28-2013, 01:53 PM
Rather have Conley with the ball than Gay. If we could find a way for Gay to come off the bench and somehow thrive in that role ala Monta Ellis, then I can see him making a difference. But as their leading scorer? I really wish THAT Rudy was still in Memphis, Clips would have gone up 3-1 again.

Tmath
05-28-2013, 01:54 PM
He's just trying to make a good impression. Get back to me at the end of next season

ok...

Tmath
05-28-2013, 01:56 PM
Rather have Conley with the ball than Gay. If we could find a way for Gay to come off the bench and somehow thrive in that role ala Monta Ellis, then I can see him making a difference. But as their leading scorer? I really wish THAT Rudy was still in Memphis, Clips would have gone up 3-1 again.

Clips would have got bounced regardless in the first round. The Clips are likely only going to get worse from here on out.

Chronz
05-28-2013, 02:16 PM
Clips would have got bounced regardless in the first round. The Clips are likely only going to get worse from here on out.
I dont see how an apathetic defender, ballstopping-chucker who impedes the progress of an All-Star caliber PG is going to help. Didn't you see the series last year? He was half the reason we made that historical comeback, and we went up 3-1 because he couldnt "close" anything.


The bit about the Clippers is off topic, I think you're lashing out because you dont like the thought of your new franchise cornerstone being something of a cancer. Right now you're hoping that the struggles between Lowry and Rudy to coexist are simply a result of injury and zero chemistry. Dont talk to me about his defense either, it was good for like a week and inconsistent thereafter, just like it has always been. If he couldn't defend at a higher level with a team like Memphis had than an old Tayshaun, then hes going to need some serious motivation/help in Toronto.

ManRam
05-28-2013, 02:19 PM
That is just a dumb statement. The fact is nobody knows how far the Grizz would have went this season with Rudy.

The only thing that matters is he improved the team he was traded too, and he did.

I agree that stating what he stated as an absolute certainty is foolish...

but it's far less foolish than the 9 people that voted for "YES! Memphis would be headed to the finals with him."

People really think that Rudy Gay turns an 0-4 series into a series win? That's preposterous.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 02:20 PM
lol sure guys... The guy has his worst year % wise.. Lets just run with that ...

hes been a bad shooter for years tho...not just counting this year

Sly Guy
05-28-2013, 02:29 PM
with or without him, they wouldn't have made it b/c he's not an efficient shooter and considering he's a volume shooter with poor %s, every possession is key.

however, who else could have taken over a game for Memphis when basically Memphis had no wing presence. No one to go to on the perimeter when everything inside was shut down. Ginobili/Danny Green and Leonard had a holiday on defense.

In this series, Gay would probably have helped.

pretty much my feel for it as well. Gay would have been able to take the tough shots and make them with more regularity than anyone else on that roster. Might have won them a game or two more, but the spurs were always gonna come out on top.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 02:34 PM
Clips would have got bounced regardless in the first round. The Clips are likely only going to get worse from here on out.

Haters, don't even bother. There is a handful of posters you can take serious in this thread. Cronz is one. not many others though.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 02:35 PM
hes been a bad shooter for years tho...not just counting this year

is that all his game has to offer or is that all your considering bro?

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 02:37 PM
Rather have Conley with the ball than Gay. If we could find a way for Gay to come off the bench and somehow thrive in that role ala Monta Ellis, then I can see him making a difference. But as their leading scorer? I really wish THAT Rudy was still in Memphis, Clips would have gone up 3-1 again.

How he is used is up to the coaching staff. Either way Memphis was deeper and more talented with gay. third option on the floor would have done the trick imo. Gasol and Randolph being option one and two with Conley as the primary ball handler

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 02:40 PM
prince is the ultimate role player, he was great in his prime... But if you asks today, right now I'd take gay over him anyday.

How a player is used is really up to the coaches. but he can help any team. People are kidding themselves in here. talent is talent, how your team uses that talent is an entirely different story.

TheIlladelph16
05-28-2013, 02:45 PM
No. They may have stolen 1 game, but I think this Grizzlies team could have done the same as constructed.

There's a variety of reasons that Memphis made the run they did after trading Rudy Gay, but the most important one is that they are a better team WITHOUT him. The rose-colored glasses will eventually come off for Toronto fans, but Rudy is just not the player some people make him out to be.

Sadds The Gr8
05-28-2013, 02:46 PM
is that all his game has to offer or is that all your considering bro?

Well shooting is the one thing that I said memphis needed...I know he can slash, but like I said it wouldn't have helped because they were packing the paint anyways. They didn't need a guy that shoots 29-30% from 3....

koreancabbage
05-28-2013, 02:47 PM
prince is the ultimate role player, he was great in his prime... But if you asks today, right now I'd take gay over him anyday.

How a player is used is really up to the coaches. but he can help any team. People are kidding themselves in here. talent is talent, how your team uses that talent is an entirely different story.

exactly.

People blame Rudy for bad shots. Run plays that put him in a great position to get shooting high %s.

Look at LA, tons of talent - no coaching to put them to good use. Same as the Clippers. If you are going to run plays that let Rudy shoot as free as he wants, thats horrible coaching.

and people are acting as if Gay is a scrub. He's talented as one comes.

Different personnel, same results: no championship for the Memphis Grizzlies.

Chronz
05-28-2013, 03:09 PM
How he is used is up to the coaching staff. Either way Memphis was deeper and more talented with gay. third option on the floor would have done the trick imo. Gasol and Randolph being option one and two with Conley as the primary ball handler
I dont think its completely on the coach but I can see how having Hollins in that regard might be a weakness. I dont think he should be as coveted as some here think.

Im sure theres some way of making Gay valuable, but I disagree entirely with the idea of it being in a fashion where he plays with the starting lineup. His shot creating would be much more valuable to their 2nd unit, where his lack of efficiency and basketball IQ wouldn't interfere with the interior game of the Bigs nor the perimeter game of Conley.

Chronz
05-28-2013, 03:14 PM
exactly.

People blame Rudy for bad shots. Run plays that put him in a great position to get shooting high %s.
Heres the problem. If you are centering your offense around running plays for Gay, you are taking away plays you should be running for your bigs and/or Conley. They needed Gay to find a way to fit in with a post heavy team that could find his offense within the flow of what those bigmen and pg dictate. Its has proven to be what is in the best interest of the franchise over the last 3 years.


and people are acting as if Gay is a scrub. He's talented as one comes.

But the game isn't about talent and nobody is acting like hes a scrub. Seems more like people want to avoid the truth of who he is and how hes held Memphis back the last few years.


Different personnel, same results: no championship for the Memphis Grizzlies.
Some of us dont boil improvements/decline by whether or not the team won the championship, that would be far too simplistic and unreliable and ignores the actions made by 29 other teams.

Laidback_Scrapp
05-28-2013, 06:22 PM
Yea I think they wouldn't have gotten swept then again would they have made it this far?? Only god knows but at least there would've been another goto guy that can create his own shot at the end of close games besides Conley

NoahH
05-28-2013, 06:27 PM
Maybe they wouldve won 1 game max

SteveNash
05-28-2013, 07:51 PM
Definitely since Gay would have been better than Conley at the end of the games and the Grizzlies needed someone to take shots away from Randolph in this series.

Tony_Starks
05-28-2013, 07:58 PM
Would've made a big difference. Was their best most athletic scorer could give you 20 points on a bad day.

Spurs basically played a zone on ZBo and dared Prince and Allen to shoot. Wouldn't have got away with that with Gay on the floor.

RollingWave
05-28-2013, 08:38 PM
Yes, the Spurs would have been playing the Clippers if Gay was still on the Grizz

KnicksorBust
05-28-2013, 08:52 PM
They definately would have had a better shot with Gay. They were a pretender the whole time anyway. They only got past LAC and OKC bc of injuries.

Jays Claw
05-28-2013, 08:58 PM
The Grizz could have expecially used Gay's offensive wing presence in the San Antonio series in particular. With Pop and the Spurs' defense focusing a lot on ZBo and Gasol down low, a scorer like Gay (though extremely inefficient) definitely could have helped.

However, when looking back at the Grizz' entire playoff picture, I'm not sure Gay would have been a positive contributor to the team both offensively and defensively. His inefficiency on offense I'm thinking would have cost the team some games against the Clips and OKC.

THE MTL
05-28-2013, 09:02 PM
Considering the fact that Memphis lost in overtime twice. I think Rudy Gay would have helped them win exactly ONE game lol. So instead of swept, it would be a 4-1 series.

b@llhog24
05-28-2013, 09:23 PM
i'm not sure it's any of those. i don't think they're better with him as a whole, but he could have stole a game this series for them. however, i'm not even certain the pre-trade grizzlies make it to the WCF with him in the first place.


he's certainly not turning a sweep into a series win. that's just a stupid opinion to have honestly.

Always saving me time from typing. Great post.


Since the 2010-11 season when Memphis started making the playoffs they beat San Antonio in the first round. Spurs were a 1st seed, grizz came in as the 8th seed. Gay was injured. The following year vs the clippers zbo was injured. they rarely ever had gay and zbo together in the post season. They rarely had a healthy squad with both of them in the line up in the playoffs ...

So I stick to my original statement.. Who knows what could have happened. Honestly none of us can say for certain either way.

this year the series was mostly decided in overtime quarters, do I think a scorer or "closer" would have helped? Absolutely, does it mean they would have won the series? Who the **** knows lol maybe not..

Gay gets the same hate as Kobe, and Melo do... They are arent efficient scorers... But those same inefficient scorers do win close games. so I def think gay would have helped. To what extent ? I can't say , but I'm surprised how others pretty much know for sure hahaha that's funny to me.

He's not as good as a Kobe or a Melo. And they're inefficient in comparison to something/another player. Kobe and to a lesser extent Melo have always posted at average to slightly above average efficiency levels for a superstar and all star player respectively. However, if you're comparing them to Wade, Bron, Shaq, MJ, Bird, Magic, etc; then they'll look like a bunch of chuckers.

carlthack
05-28-2013, 09:41 PM
They wouldn't have made it to the WCF without Prince's defense on Griffin/Butler and Durant.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 10:01 PM
Always saving me time from typing. Great post.



He's not as good as a Kobe or a Melo. And they're inefficient in comparison to something/another player. Kobe and to a lesser extent Melo have always posted at average to slightly above average efficiency levels for a superstar and all star player respectively. However, if you're comparing them to Wade, Bron, Shaq, MJ, Bird, Magic, etc; then they'll look like a bunch of chuckers.

I was comparing him to other scorers.. Not saying he is on their level in anyway.. Those guys are super stars gay ain't even an all star. But he is a scorer.

JEDean89
05-28-2013, 10:34 PM
I was comparing him to other scorers.. Not saying he is on their level in anyway.. Those guys are super stars gay ain't even an all star. But he is a scorer.

and a very innefficient one at that.

Hangtime
05-28-2013, 10:35 PM
Nobody points out had anybody for Memphis could hit a damn free throw games 2 and 3 could have easily gone their way. Gay sure as hell wouldn't help fix that problem.

Gay could have very well made the biggest difference last year against the Clips. Zbo may not have been 100 percent but he still got plenty of attention. Getting blown out on their own homecourt in game 7 does him no favors.

deaner
05-28-2013, 10:42 PM
and a very innefficient one at that.

That's fine. Masai will turn him over in a trade and bring an all-star into Toronto.

smith&wesson
05-28-2013, 10:56 PM
and a very innefficient one at that.

apparently you haven't been reading the thread. Thanks for quoting me and saying something I've already said like 5 times in this thread.

b@llhog24
05-28-2013, 10:57 PM
I was comparing him to other scorers.. Not saying he is on their level in anyway.. Those guys are super stars gay ain't even an all star. But he is a scorer.

There are better comparisons is what I'm saying. If you're comparing him to a top 10 player in the game today and a top 15 player all time, you're not doing yourself any favors.

Losoway
05-29-2013, 04:11 AM
is this even a question ? **** i could have helped on the wing this series. the grizzles looked terrible on the perimeter

dalton749
05-29-2013, 04:54 AM
rudy used to be way over-rated. now everyone is under-rating him.
contract aside he can be a very good player on both ends if he isnt forced to take low percentage shots like he was in memphis. i forget the numbers but a large portion of his shots were taken in the last 8 seconds of the clock which is in no way his fault, but the way the system was set up.

he without a doubt is a bigger impact player than prince in a lesser role and it is not even close


There are better comparisons is what I'm saying. If you're comparing him to a top 10 player in the game today and a top 15 player all time, you're not doing yourself any favors.


in the clutch, which he is talking about, rudy is completely comparable to those two

MonroeFAN
05-29-2013, 09:24 AM
1) Thats nice.
2) Size of city is irrelevant. Memphis is a franchise that nobody talks about and casual fans don't even know exist. They are not a large basketball market, don't have a large fan base, don't get any national attention. Celtics are the most storied franchise in basketball.
3) I doubt that. There are already rumors of them negotiating a buyout to let him go where he pleases. He would probably retire before he went to a team he didn't want to finish his career with.

According to who exactly?

If I were a player, I would take Memphis over Boston all day. TN is gorgeous, much better team, and better youth.

dalton749
05-29-2013, 12:54 PM
boston is a ****ing dump i hate that place.
who wants to play in that tiny *** arena across the street from a building that looks like it was the target of the bombing and is falling down

JLynn943
05-29-2013, 01:10 PM
They absolutely needed him this series. This series showed the value that a versatile volume scorer can have. Every game and almost every possession, the Grizzlies looked like they had no offense. Because Z-Bo is their only real go-to guy, San Antonio was able to focus on him and effectively shut down their offense. Memphis managed some respectable scoring totals with good games by players like Pondexter and Bayless added onto what Conley/Randolph/Gasol did, but it never looked easy.

For how good and how efficient Gasol is, he couldn't take the scoring load like was needed. Historically, he hasn't been able to consistently do it, so he shouldn't be expected to anyway. This is where relying on efficient players only has it's limits - what they give you offensively may be good, but it is usually not enough. That's where Randolph and Conley (and previously Gay), would come into play - taking the responsibility of scoring off of Gasol, but with Z-Bo shut down and Gay gone, it was up to Conley and miscellaneous role players to do that, As we saw, that was clearly not enough.

I don't think Gay would have turned the result of the series around. Ultimately, the Spurs are just a better team. But, this is a series where Gay would have been extremely important. At the very least, the versatility of what he does on offense would have altered the Spurs defensive strategy - possibly enough to free up Randolph some. Had Gay played well, it would have definitely freed up others, and I think the Grizzlies would have had a real shot at winning. Inefficient volume shooter or not, he would have had significant value to that offense against a team like the Spurs.