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Stunner
05-24-2013, 04:03 PM
As you know there are a lot of players that play out of position to their skill set and make up of their team . Even though their career mins say a player starts a the 5 spot the majority of his career could the case be made that the player is really a 4 ? I mean Bosh is an example he was drafted as a PF but was forced to play the 5 because Davis was traded that season to the Bulls . Raptors never really fixed the 5 spot and thus Bosh had to play that because he was the best on both sides at that position ; Same with him on the Heat. So when his career is done will you remember him as a 4 out of position or a legit Center ? And also name other players due to this , KG and Duncan come to mind to this discussion .

Chronz
05-24-2013, 04:33 PM
I would remember Bosh exactly how you referred to him. A prototypical PF who was forced into playing more Center. With the league getting leaner/smaller, him playing there isn't the issue it would have been if there were more top tier centers. Still, I suppose you could say that about alot of natural centers too. This is partly why I just toss them all into the same folder as simply bigmen. Bigs, Swings, and Points.

Other guys who will be remembered for playing out of position would include........... thats a damn good question....

Stunner
05-24-2013, 04:43 PM
I mean Duncan logs in heavy minutes at Center but is always being called " The Best PF Of All Time ". Barkley was the size of a guard but played like a stretch PF , KG is a PF but has been logging in heavy mins as a Center since Perkins left . It really does matter what your skill set and team make up is . I mean JJ Hickson who is smaller than Aldridge starts at the 5 and LA and Bosh are prob the same size .

bagwell368
05-24-2013, 04:46 PM
Cowens was a born #4, but played the #5 because Red didn't have a decent #5 in his hip pocket.

KG has played some Center the past few years, but he's a #4

Duncan played #4 because of DRob.

etc.

Avenged
05-24-2013, 04:50 PM
Pau was a 4, now he's a 5 forced to play a 4. Strange how that works.

slaker619
05-24-2013, 05:01 PM
It comes down to strength, cause if they truly can't guard the paint its gonna hurt a team.

Chronz
05-24-2013, 05:06 PM
Pau was a 4, now he's a 5 forced to play a 4. Strange how that works.

lol. true

tapajafri
05-24-2013, 05:09 PM
The last two truly dominant actual centers were Shaq and Yao. I guess you could throw Dwight in there as well. Ben Wallace, Brad Miller, Pau Gasol, Duncan, and other all star "centers" of the past decade are really PF's being forced to play center. These guys were all in the all-star game as CENTERS, but in reality, they're PF's. The game has changed, obviously.

kingkenny01
05-24-2013, 05:29 PM
it seems like power fowards playing center is the new center in the nba, true centers are a dying breed

ManRam
05-24-2013, 05:37 PM
positional definitions mean less-and-less to me these days. i think there are still players that need to be in "true 5" or "true 4" roles, but overall it's pretty much an amalgamation.

there aren't a ton of great offensive true centers out there either, which plays into this as well. more teams can get away with smaller and less traditional lineups because there aren't the hulking and dominant offensive centers any more.

JasonJohnHorn
05-24-2013, 10:28 PM
I look at the traditional game as a three position game: One PG, two wing players and two post players. I don't see much difference between a SG and SF (SF posts up more and is a little bigger) or a PF and a C (PF are sometimes a little smaller).

the roles are similar. Defend, rebound and be competent on offence. That's a good C or PF. A great one has a post up game and an HOF has a mid-range jumper (or in the case a Shaq a post game that dominates the league). Specialists like Laimbeer, Perkins, Sabonis and Love can shoot threes.

Of course, there are now SF and SG who bring the ball up, and traditional roles have changed. Great coaches use the talent they got to great mis-matches, or at least keep the most competitive team they can on the floor. Phil Jackson never ran with a "point guard" for example.

But yeah... I honestly don't see any difference between C and PF. But I also see little difference betwen SG and SF.

jayjay33
05-25-2013, 05:17 AM
I would remember Bosh exactly how you referred to him. A prototypical PF who was forced into playing more Center. With the league getting leaner/smaller, him playing there isn't the issue it would have been if there were more top tier centers. Still, I suppose you could say that about alot of natural centers too. This is partly why I just toss them all into the same folder as simply bigmen. Bigs, Swings, and Points.

Other guys who will be remembered for playing out of position would include........... thats a damn good question....

Then what do you consider Westbrook?

jayjay33
05-25-2013, 05:26 AM
it seems like power fowards playing center is the new center in the nba, true centers are a dying breed

That's because of coaching. Nobody lets bigs learn how to be basketball players anymore. When I was coaching I made all then bigs do the guard drills just like everybody else. I made then work on there jump shot. Ball handling etc. Now a days people just want. It's to be thugs, who mix it up.

Redrum187
05-25-2013, 05:57 AM
I think whatever position they played better in for the longer amount of time is what they should be known for when it's all said and done.

Tim Duncan: PF
Kevin Garnett: PF
Al Jefferson: No idea
Pau Gasol: 4.5?
Chris Bosh: 4

MTar786
05-25-2013, 08:38 AM
duncan is a 4
kg is a 4
ben wallace was a 4 too
pau is a 4..
maybe with old age these guys switch to center because of the loss of speed

dwight is a c (undersized)
zo was a c
shaq was a c
drob was a c

Chronz
05-25-2013, 12:52 PM
Then what do you consider Westbrook?
Positionless players or guys with multiple positions are always going to exist. This is just a way to jumble them up into less specific ways. Mostly height based. Midgets, swings and bigs would be a more apt name.

Westbrook is a point.