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LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 01:12 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo: All NBA 1st: LeBron, KD, Kobe, CP, Duncan; 2nd: Melo, Blake, M. Gasol, Parker, Westbrook; 3rd: DLee, P George, Dwight, DWade and Harden.

I agree with these ranking only thing I might have changed was harden instead of Westbrook or Parker on the 2nd team... And instead of d-wade have steph curry on the third team!
Kobe now tied with Karl Malone for most 1st team selections all-time! Congrats kobe!

LakersIn5
05-23-2013, 01:15 PM
paul george doing work

still1ballin
05-23-2013, 01:17 PM
Inb4 Kobe bashing

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 01:17 PM
Perfect first team.

kdspurman
05-23-2013, 01:18 PM
37 Year Old Tim Duncan! :clap:

NYKnickFanatic
05-23-2013, 01:19 PM
Nice to see Duncan on first team!

Also good to see DLee on third team! Getting some recognition.

"Wade on 3rd team?! Switch him and Kobe!!!" :D

2-ONE-5
05-23-2013, 01:20 PM
no arguments with this list at all

Max.This
05-23-2013, 01:23 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo: All NBA 1st: LeBron, KD, Kobe, CP, Duncan; 2nd: Melo, Blake, M. Gasol, Parker, Westbrook; 3rd: DLee, P George, Dwight, DWade and Harden.

I agree with these ranking only thing I might have changed was harden instead of Westbrook or Parker on the 2nd team... And instead of d-wade have steph curry on the third team!
Kobe now tied with Karl Malone for most 1st team selections all-time! Congrats kobe!

I don't think harden should be ahead of Parker. Parker had a great regular season and on top of that is leading the Spurs in the playoffs. I think its ridiculous to even say. To be honest, if anything Parker should be ahead of Chris Paul. Its not about how good you can be, its about what the hell you've done. Parker isn't the flashiest or gets the credit he deserves, but what the hell has CP3 accomplished this season that surpasses Parker? CP3 had a good team this year and he didn't lead them. Chris Paul has a higher ceiling, but he hasnt done crap to deserve 1st team this year

kdspurman
05-23-2013, 01:25 PM
Jonathan Tjarks @JonathanTjarks
Tim Duncan's teammates on his first All-NBA first-team: Karl Malone, Shaq, MJ and Gary Payton! He spans the generations.

Crazy!

Bruno
05-23-2013, 01:26 PM
nice to see the ol' guns still rackin' these first team selections up. 2002 was the first year Duncan and Kobe joined the all NBA first team together. In 2002 they were joined by Shaq, Kidd and McGrady. Generations go by and these two are still dominant.

I called this back on February 28th:
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?805756-your-1st-team-all-nba-so-far&p=25506221#post25506221

I'm happy for Paul George and Marc Gasol. Dwight Howard shouldnt have placed in front of Jokim Noah for the third team.

JiffyMix88
05-23-2013, 01:26 PM
switch Kobe with Parker

MrfadeawayJB
05-23-2013, 01:26 PM
Marc Gasol 2nd team all NBA :clap:

Bruno
05-23-2013, 01:26 PM
Crazy!

very. Kobe was making the second teams back then. Kobe didn't join Duncan on the first team until 2001- 2002.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 01:26 PM
I don't think harden should be ahead of Parker. Parker had a great regular season and on top of that is leading the Spurs in the playoffs. I think its ridiculous to even say. To be honest, if anything Parker should be ahead of Chris Paul. Its not about how good you can be, its about what the hell you've done. Parker isn't the flashiest or gets the credit he deserves, but what the hell has CP3 accomplished this season that surpasses Parker? CP3 had a good team this year and he didn't lead them. Chris Paul has a higher ceiling, but he hasnt done crap to deserve 1st team this year

Trust me I would have had Parker on 1st team as well but remember he missed like a whole month, that's the only reason why I would maybe knock him down the list because he missed some time but other then that he deserves where he was chosen but if he would've been 1st team I wouldn't have been mad.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 01:27 PM
Here come the Kobe bashers lol

29$JerZ
05-23-2013, 01:28 PM
I'd Put Curry over Wade for the 3rd team but they pretty much nailed this.
Also Westbrook/Kobe is interchangeable imo.

Clippersfan86
05-23-2013, 01:29 PM
Great lists for the most part. Spurs, Clippers and Thunder only teams with two players on first two teams. Duncan never ceases to amaze. 37 and has this kind of a dominant year.

Lakersfan2483
05-23-2013, 01:29 PM
Congrats to Kobe and T. Duncan making the 1st team together. Both guys are defying logic by still performing at such a high level given their ages of 34 and 37 respectively. Good to see Paul George make the 3rd team also along with Marc Gasol making the list also.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 01:36 PM
Kobe and Kareem are now tied atop of the list for most All-NBA team selections in league history. Both players now have 15 All-NBA teams under their belt (Kobe with 11 first teams, Kareem with 10 first teams).

Although Kobe has more first teams that KAJ, KAJ also has more second team finishes (because Kobe has two third teams). These two stand atop the list for all nba team selections in league history as of today.

Lakers + Giants
05-23-2013, 01:39 PM
Wait til others see kobe on the list. Ppl gon be mad! :laugh2: :clap:

Lakers + Giants
05-23-2013, 01:41 PM
Kobe and Kareem are now tied atop of the list for most All-NBA team selections in league history. Both players now have 15 All-NBA teams under their belt (Kobe with 11 first teams, Kareem with 10 first teams).

Although Kobe has more first teams that KAJ, KAJ also has more second team finishes (because Kobe has two third teams). These two stand atop the list for all nba team selections in league history as of today.
That's honestly pretty amazing.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 01:42 PM
Duncan now has his 14th all nba selection, which puts him tied with Karl Malone and Shaq for second in total all nba team selections.

ColtsSpursTerps
05-23-2013, 01:42 PM
love it! Kobe- meh

4milesperday
05-23-2013, 01:42 PM
Kobe should not be on there IMO

lamzoka
05-23-2013, 01:43 PM
replace Dwade with Steph Curry other than that im good

Allphakenny1
05-23-2013, 01:43 PM
Glad to see David Lee on the third team, he had one hell of a year. I wonder the last time a Warrior was on an All-NBA Team?

Hellcrooner
05-23-2013, 01:48 PM
Howard should have not been elected this year.

Slug3
05-23-2013, 01:50 PM
I got nothing wrong with Kobe being on there. He ha a great year. If Tony wouldn't have missed that month I might have made an argument for him. I am surprised Wade made it over Curry as well.

BklynKnicks3
05-23-2013, 01:50 PM
about right...iam kobe fan i dont think he should have made it over melo. his team was barely 500 and number are almost a wash

Bruno
05-23-2013, 01:52 PM
about right...iam kobe fan i dont think he should have made it over melo. his team was barely 500 and number are almost a wash

they play different positions. for Melo to have made the first team he would have had to get more votes than Durant and James (forwards, and the two leading vote getters).

Lakersfan2483
05-23-2013, 01:54 PM
they play different positions. for Melo to have made the first team he would have had to get more votes than Durant and James (forwards, and the two leading vote getters).

Bingo

3RDASYSTEM
05-23-2013, 01:58 PM
Its funny how people are looking for the bashers

that just shows what type of player he is

JETER has a lot of bashers

he owns the 'overrated' title every yr in baseball basically,just go look it up

I told you who the nba version of JETER was

nice teams picked 1-3,right on the money

ManRam
05-23-2013, 02:01 PM
nothing worth being too irrate about on the 1st and 2nd team. might not have been my exacts, but there's no complete travesty.

the gap between harden and kobe is nothing to me, and it's hard to see how that could result in a 3rd team and a 1st team, but the guards this year...well....there were just way too many good ones.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:05 PM
nothing worth being too irrate about on the 1st and 2nd team. might not have been my exacts, but there's no complete travesty.

the gap between harden and kobe is nothing to me, and it's hard to see how that could result in a 3rd team and a 1st team, but the guards this year...well....there were just way too many good ones.

so many good guards in the NBA. look at curry- didn't even make the team.

Chronz
05-23-2013, 02:05 PM
37 Year Old Tim Duncan! :clap:

Good to be Center eligible tho

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 02:05 PM
nice to see the ol' guns still rackin' these first team selections up. 2002 was the first year Duncan and Kobe joined the all NBA first team together. In 2002 they were joined by Shaq, Kidd and McGrady. Generations go by and these two are still dominant.

I called this back on February 28th:
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?805756-your-1st-team-all-nba-so-far&p=25506221#post25506221

I'm happy for Paul George and Marc Gasol. Dwight Howard shouldnt have placed in front of Jokim Noah for the third team.

:laugh2: Nice

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 02:07 PM
Howard should have not been elected this year.

+1

Green_Monster
05-23-2013, 02:16 PM
about right...iam kobe fan i dont think he should have made it over melo. his team was barely 500 and number are almost a wash

You also think Melo is the 2nd best player in the NBA.

Kobe shouldn't be on the first team. Last time I checked, Wade had better advanced stats.

PhillyFaninLA
05-23-2013, 02:16 PM
Inb4 Kobe bashing


Grow up

PhillyFaninLA
05-23-2013, 02:17 PM
Jonathan Tjarks @JonathanTjarks
Tim Duncan's teammates on his first All-NBA first-team: Karl Malone, Shaq, MJ and Gary Payton! He spans the generations.

Crazy!

Wow...amazing career.

Also I think the NBA did a great job with all three lists.

lakersiznumber1
05-23-2013, 02:19 PM
switch Kobe with Parker

lets trade harden for lbj while we at it 2:facepalm: how are you goin switch a pg with a sg kobe had a great year well deserved still best sg in the game

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:23 PM
You also think Melo is the 2nd best player in the NBA.

Kobe shouldn't be on the first team. Last time I checked, Wade had better advanced stats.

Negligible.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2013&p2=wadedw01&y2=2013

Kobe also played nine more games and played 622 more minutes than Wade. Wade would have had to have played 18 more games at his season average of 34.7 minutes per game to match Kobe in total minutes. Their advanced line is extremely similar.

kdspurman
05-23-2013, 02:25 PM
lets trade harden for lbj while we at it 2:facepalm: how are you goin switch a pg with a sg kobe had a great year well deserved still best sg in the game

Not that I entirely agree with switching Parker for Kobe, but there are 2 PG's on the 2nd team (no SG) and 2 SG's on the 3rd team (No PG).. it's G,G,F,F,C

mngopher35
05-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Not my exact teams, but pretty solid overall. As others have said there were so many good guards this year.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:26 PM
Not that I entirely agree with switching Parker for Kobe, but there are 2 PG's on the 2nd team (no SG) and 2 SG's on the 3rd team (No PG).. it's G,G,F,F,C

right. any combination of two guards and two forwards is the only criteria. specific guard and forward positions don't come into play here.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:27 PM
Not my exact teams, but pretty solid overall. As others have said there were so many good guards this year.

i'm a big fan of your posting- what would your teams look like if you don't mind me asking?

Avenged
05-23-2013, 02:27 PM
Only real issue is Dwight making it but it's not that big of a deal. Nice to see young faces in there in George and Lee.

Raps18-19 Champ
05-23-2013, 02:30 PM
LOLOLOL at Wade over Curry.

tredigs
05-23-2013, 02:31 PM
I'd have had Bosh over D. Lee and Curry over Wade for sure, but the lists seem pretty standard.

The fact that Duncan's first 1st team was with Shaq/Malone/Jordan/Payton and now he's on it again 15 years later with guys like Durant is crazy. And he had not made a 1st team in almost 7 years!

Gators123
05-23-2013, 02:32 PM
‏@Keith_Langlois


Duncan's All-NBA honor underscores how much he's meant to Spurs. The "genius" label's gonna be tested the day he retires.

Green_Monster
05-23-2013, 02:33 PM
Negligible.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=bryanko01&y1=2013&p2=wadedw01&y2=2013

Kobe also played nine more games and played 622 more minutes than Wade. Wade would have had to have played 18 more games at his season average of 34.7 minutes per game to match Kobe in total minutes. Their advanced line is extremely similar.

Wade only played 9 less games. Either way, Harden and Parker were also better this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/QHocy

tredigs
05-23-2013, 02:38 PM
Wade only played 9 less games. Either way, Harden and Parker were also better this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/QHocy

9 less games, but also less minutes in those games.

jersey89
05-23-2013, 02:40 PM
I don't mind having the older guys ahead of the some of the younger ones, over the last 15 years they've definitely earned the tie breaker. Only problem with the list is dwight, noah/lopez should've gotten the nod.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:41 PM
Wade only played 9 less games. Either way, Harden and Parker were also better this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/QHocy

all their numbers are pretty close. i called kobe but voted for Harden/Paul in the voting thread a few months ago.

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:42 PM
Only real issue is Dwight making it but it's not that big of a deal. Nice to see young faces in there in George and Lee.
x2


I'd have had Bosh over D. Lee and Curry over Wade for sure, but the lists seem pretty standard.

The fact that Duncan's first 1st team was with Shaq/Malone/Jordan/Payton and now he's on it again 15 years later with guys like Durant is crazy. And he had not made a 1st team in almost 7 years!

i was thinking bosh over lee too. curry should have been on the third team but its hard to say who should have been bumped in his place. Duncan not making it in almost seven years is also amazing.

Green_Monster
05-23-2013, 02:49 PM
9 less games, but also less minutes in those games.

:shrug: Wade's team didn't need him to play 35+ MPG.


all their numbers are pretty close. i called kobe but voted for Harden/Paul in the voting thread a few months ago.

Fair enough. I just think Kobe should have made the 2nd team, and Parker/Harden should have made the 1st.

NYMetros
05-23-2013, 02:51 PM
Pretty good. I'd probably put LMA over Lee but Lee is fine.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 02:52 PM
Wade only played 9 less games. Either way, Harden and Parker were also better this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/QHocy



Then Kobe? Lmfao no!
Kobe was a top 3-5 player this year

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:52 PM
Fair enough. I just think Kobe should have made the 2nd team, and Parker/Harden should have made the 1st.

i like paul over parker for the first team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=parketo01&y1=2013&p2=paulch01&y2=2013

Bruno
05-23-2013, 02:53 PM
I don't mind having the older guys ahead of the some of the younger ones, over the last 15 years they've definitely earned the tie breaker. Only problem with the list is dwight, noah/lopez should've gotten the nod.

x2.

BigCityofDreams
05-23-2013, 02:55 PM
Its funny how people are looking for the bashers

that just shows what type of player he is

JETER has a lot of bashers

he owns the 'overrated' title every yr in baseball basically,just go look it up

I told you who the nba version of JETER was

nice teams picked 1-3,right on the money

That list is voted on by the players. It's not some official list based on the metrics of the game.

JiffyMix88
05-23-2013, 02:56 PM
lets trade harden for lbj while we at it 2:facepalm: how are you goin switch a pg with a sg kobe had a great year well deserved still best sg in the game

:facepalm: urself for just looking at first team.... Second team has Westbrook and Parker just in case you didn't know Parker and Westbrook are both pgs.....Not trying to say Kobe didn't play great but Parker was much better.

Side note how the **** does Dwights puss *** make it over Noah?

mngopher35
05-23-2013, 03:06 PM
i'm a big fan of your posting- what would your teams look like if you don't mind me asking?

I would have Curry over Wade, and Brook Lopez over Dwight on the third team. Those are the only obvious changes I would make. I think CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Harden, Kobe could all be somewhat interchangeable honestly depending on what you value in players, so no real problem there to me.

Overall I think they did a really good job though, just a couple minor changes.

EDIT: Harden, CP3 first team Kobe, Parker second and Westbrook on third team is how I would have personally ranked that group. It is ridiculously close though, like I said. I could see an argument for Westbrook on the first team too (best defense of the group).

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 03:07 PM
:facepalm: urself for just looking at first team.... Second team has Westbrook and Parker just in case you didn't know Parker and Westbrook are both pgs.....Not trying to say Kobe didn't play great but Parker was much better.

Side note how the **** does Dwights puss *** make it over Noah?

So Parker miss a whole month averaged 20-3-7 and played much better then Kobe?

But Kobe plays almost all year averages 28-5-6 yet Parker was still better lmfao

It's funny how every time the 1st teams are announced people **** on Kobe for no reason when they know damn well he deserves it every time!

b@llhog24
05-23-2013, 03:09 PM
Meh.

b@llhog24
05-23-2013, 03:10 PM
i like paul over parker for the first team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=parketo01&y1=2013&p2=paulch01&y2=2013

What does this have to do with this year?

Green_Monster
05-23-2013, 03:10 PM
Then Kobe? Lmfao no!
Kobe was a top 3-5 player this year

Come on, man. :laugh2:


i like paul over parker for the first team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=parketo01&y1=2013&p2=paulch01&y2=2013

My bad. I was thinking it was 2 guards, not a PG and a SG. In that case, Harden is probably the only one that could challenge Kobe for the 1st team.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 03:26 PM
Come on, man. :laugh2:



My bad. I was thinking it was 2 guards, not a PG and a SG. In that case, Harden is probably the only one that could challenge Kobe for the 1st team.



Give me 5 players better then Kobe this year! Espn had him ranked 4th to end the year! Only players who were better were lebron and Durant and maybe cp3 then after that its Kobe!

beliges
05-23-2013, 03:32 PM
Nothing surprising at all about the 1st team. Great team selection. Congrats to Duncan to having a tremendous season at this age and congrats to Kobe for getting the record for most 1st Team Selections.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 03:39 PM
So Parker miss a whole month averaged 20-3-7 and played much better then Kobe?

But Kobe plays almost all year averages 28-5-6 yet Parker was still better lmfao

It's funny how every time the 1st teams are announced people **** on Kobe for no reason when they know damn well he deserves it every time!
Yup.

Come on, man. :laugh2:


.What's so funny?

TheIlladelph16
05-23-2013, 03:41 PM
Lebron
Durant
CP3
Duncan
M. Gasol
Melo
Parker
Westbrook

all have a solid case as having as good or better of a season than Kobe. Definitely Lebron, Durant, CP3. Then I would slot Duncan and Westbrook/Parker/Kobe in to round out the Top 5

^To LoveMe

tredigs
05-23-2013, 03:48 PM
In my world it would have gone:

1st Team:

G: Cp3
G: Westbrook
F: Durant
F: Lebron
C: Duncan

2nd Team:

G: Kobe
G: Harden
F: Melo
F: Griffin
C: M. Gasol

3rd Team:

G: Curry
G: Parker
F: Bosh
F: P. George
C: Lopez

Not any huge complaints with the voting this season, though.

Green_Monster
05-23-2013, 03:52 PM
Give me 5 players better then Kobe this year! Espn had him ranked 4th to end the year! Only players who were better were lebron and Durant and maybe cp3 then after that its Kobe!

Lebron
Durant
Paul
Parker
Harden
Duncan

Those 6 guys all put up better numbers than Kobe. Then there's Melo, Westbrook, M. Gasol, and Wade who all have arguements against Kobe. You can take off the homer glasses now.

JasonJohnHorn
05-23-2013, 04:04 PM
Voters seems to get stuff pretty close to correct here. Dwight may have deserved to be ranked a little higher, and I would have loved to see Curry on the team, but then again, all the guards selected are VERY deserving.

The first team is pretty much exactly as I would have had it.

Hawkeye15
05-23-2013, 04:08 PM
With Parker missing a healthy amount of games, I have no problem with Kobe making 1st team all NBA.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 04:15 PM
Lebron
Durant
CP3
Duncan
M. Gasol
Melo
Parker
Westbrook

all have a solid case as having as good or better of a season than Kobe. Definitely Lebron, Durant, CP3. Then I would slot Duncan and Westbrook/Parker/Kobe in to round out the Top 5

^To LoveMe


Hahaha good luck trying to convince people on that...

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 04:16 PM
It's funny how the lebron groupies always trash Kobe. I'm just glad I agree the experts and not 15 year olds

Rockice_8
05-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Thought maybe Lopez would get some love with the lack of centers and sneak on the third team but I guess the highest scoring center and a top 5 PER wasn't enough.

koreancabbage
05-23-2013, 04:19 PM
Kobe had a great year. well deserved imo

koreancabbage
05-23-2013, 04:19 PM
It's funny how the lebron groupies always trash Kobe. I'm just glad I agree the experts and not 15 year olds

and vice versa.

tredigs
05-23-2013, 04:24 PM
Thought maybe Lopez would get some love with the lack of centers and sneak on the third team but I guess the highest scoring center and a top 5 PER wasn't enough.

I agree he should've made 3rd team (tho' it's tight), but being an NBA center who pulls down less boards than 25 of the leagues forwards will put a bad taste in peoples mouth. Had they not gotten hurt, K. Love and Varajao were more than doubling his rebound total, that's nuts.

Also, why does Lopez only play 30 minutes a night? That's the same as Duncan - who's 13 yrs older than him...

tredigs
05-23-2013, 04:31 PM
Not to mention Timmy's played in almost as many playoff games alone as Blake Griffin has in his entire career. Duncan's really showed us something special this year. And that's saying something.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 04:38 PM
Lebron
Durant
CP3
Duncan
M. Gasol
Melo
Parker
Westbrook

all have a solid case as having as good or better of a season than Kobe. Definitely Lebron, Durant, CP3. Then I would slot Duncan and Westbrook/Parker/Kobe in to round out the Top 5

^To LoveMe

Good thing you don't vote.

TheIlladelph16
05-23-2013, 04:50 PM
Hahaha good luck trying to convince people on that...

Shouldn't be that hard tbh. The majority of people would agree with that assessment.

Jarvo
05-23-2013, 04:51 PM
37 Year Old Tim Duncan! :clap:

That sig! :worthy:! Lol

amos1er
05-23-2013, 04:52 PM
Hahaha good luck trying to convince people on that...

lulz..I know. These guys are such clowns.

TheIlladelph16
05-23-2013, 04:53 PM
Good thing you don't vote.

I literally said right there that he was Top 5, and if not he had just as equal of a case as Westbrook and Parker in my eyes. How in the world is that a slight to Kobe?

Bron, Durant, CP3 aren't really that debatable at this point. Duncan for me is a no brainer as well. Still a beast on the defensive end and the best PF this past year.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 04:54 PM
Not to mention Timmy's played in almost as many playoff games alone as Blake Griffin has in his entire career. Duncan's really showed us something special this year. And that's saying something.

Yup, Duncan has been amazing. If he wins a ring this year, he could move up to the top five of all time IMO.

Jarvo
05-23-2013, 04:55 PM
Duncan & Parker :dance:!

amos1er
05-23-2013, 04:58 PM
I literally said right there that he was Top 5, and if not he had just as equal of a case as Westbrook and Parker in my eyes. How in the world is that a slight to Kobe?

Bron, Durant, CP3 aren't really that debatable at this point. Duncan for me is a no brainer as well. Still a beast on the defensive end and the best PF this past year.

Individually, Kobe was top five easily. The only knock against him this year was this team success or lack there of. Also, he was in chuck mode for a good 15 game stretch there at the beginning of the season. Other than that, he deserves to be on the first team for sure. He was an instrumental part of the Lakers 28-12 run to end the season. I'm sure Kobe did cost the Lakers a few games early on in the season through some "chucking" episodes, but the main reason for the Lakers woes were injuries and poor coaching...and the main reason being Jim Buss of course who was responsible for what I call the worst coaching decision of all time.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 05:04 PM
So Parker miss a whole month averaged 20-3-7 and played much better then Kobe?

But Kobe plays almost all year averages 28-5-6 yet Parker was still better lmfao

It's funny how every time the 1st teams are announced people **** on Kobe for no reason when they know damn well he deserves it every time!

People will always find a reason to hate on Kobe. We just have to accept it. Parker did have an incredible year though, and if anyone has a case against Kobe it was him IMO. That said, Kobe deserved it most IMO and it seems that the experts agree...thats all that counts. Not the opinions of a bunch of 15 year old Lebronites who have been manipulated by Gatorade, Nike, and Sprite propaganda.

TheNumber37
05-23-2013, 05:05 PM
Steph Curry!!!
he's had a better season than Wade.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 05:07 PM
It's funny how the lebron groupies always trash Kobe. I'm just glad I agree the experts and not 15 year olds

This.

kdspurman
05-23-2013, 05:11 PM
That sig! :worthy:! Lol

Thanks! :D

VinceGully
05-23-2013, 05:15 PM
Inb4 Kobe bashing

Boo Kobe.

Ok, now that we have gotten that out of the way. Good list

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 05:16 PM
People will always find a reason to hate on Kobe. We just have to accept it. Parker did have an incredible year though, and if anyone has a case against Kobe it was him IMO. That said, Kobe deserved it most IMO and it seems that the experts agree...thats all that counts. Not the opinions of a bunch of 15 year old Lebronites who have been manipulated by Gatorade, Nike, and Sprite propaganda.

^

nytunnelvision
05-23-2013, 05:20 PM
I'd have:

1st: CP3, Parker, LeBron, Durant, Gasol
2nd: Westbrook, Kobe, Melo, Duncan, Noah
3rd: Harden, Wade, George, Griffin, KG

Duncan played quite a bit of 4 this year, and I thought it'd be better to slide him into the 4 spot so Griffin could slide down to the 3rd team (more deserving to be 3rd than 2nd IMO) and D Lee can get out of there (nice player, but not deserving of this company).

Sorry Curry, I just couldn't slide out Wade. Wade didn't miss too many games this year, which would be the only way to keep him out IMO.

And since this was such a throwback year with Kobe and Timmy, had to sneak KG in there somehow.

Not sure about George in there over Bosh though.

AlexTmz2
05-23-2013, 05:28 PM
37 Year Old Tim Duncan! :clap:


Was thinking the same thing :laugh2:

Congratulations to Timmy as well for Parker. Well deserved.

Matter.
05-23-2013, 05:32 PM
I didnt know putting up 27-6-6 is a problem...

zn23
05-23-2013, 05:33 PM
I don't have a problem with Kobe being 1st team. Overall they did a good job, it's never going to be a perfect list.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 05:35 PM
I didnt know putting up 27-6-6 is a problem...

PSD said it is, so it must be.

bucketss
05-23-2013, 05:38 PM
People will always find a reason to hate on Kobe. We just have to accept it. Parker did have an incredible year though, and if anyone has a case against Kobe it was him IMO. That said, Kobe deserved it most IMO and it seems that the experts agree...thats all that counts. Not the opinions of a bunch of 15 year old Lebronites who have been manipulated by Gatorade, Nike, and Sprite propaganda.

these so called experts would think you were on crack if they read most of the comments you make on this forum.

DoubleDragon
05-23-2013, 05:38 PM
Jonathan Tjarks @JonathanTjarks
Tim Duncan's teammates on his first All-NBA first-team: Karl Malone, Shaq, MJ and Gary Payton! He spans the generations.

Crazy!

MAN, talk about a scary group of 5!! Just nasty:clap:

RaiderLakersA's
05-23-2013, 05:41 PM
If I'm voting, Steph Curry makes one of the All NBA squads. But if nothing else, it gives him a goal for next season.

Speaking of goals, The Big Fundamental is still taking care of business at the ripe young age of 37. Wow. Every player in the league that falls under the banner, "No longer great due to age," ought to be ashamed. And every player in the league that is looking for motivation for continued greatness well into their 30s ought to be inspired. Well done, Duncan.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 05:41 PM
these so called experts would think you were on crack if they read most of the comments you make on this forum.

You're one of the kids he's talking about Kip.

Teeboy1487
05-23-2013, 05:50 PM
No way Howard was better than Lopez this year.

bucketss
05-23-2013, 06:09 PM
You're one of the kids he's talking about Kip.

thanks for the info, kbpaud12

FYL_McVeezy
05-23-2013, 06:13 PM
I think the selections are spot on for the most part.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 06:21 PM
thanks for the info, kbpaud12

What a lame theory. The mods would have traced his IP by now if that were true and since they haven't it's obviously not. Give it up already.

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 06:23 PM
lol kobe just living of rep and name recognition, what else is new.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 06:34 PM
lol kobe just living of rep and name recognition, what else is new.

Kinda like Lebron's perceived status amongst NBA greats according to the majority of Lebronites on this site.

LoveMeOrHateMe
05-23-2013, 06:45 PM
lol kobe just living of rep and name recognition, what else is new.

Lol lebron fans are funny

ThaDubs
05-23-2013, 06:45 PM
Blake over Lee for 2nd team? LMFAO!!!!

bucketss
05-23-2013, 06:48 PM
What a lame theory. The mods would have traced his IP by now if that were true and since they haven't it's obviously not. Give it up already.

oh wow how heroic of you.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 07:03 PM
Lol lebron fans are funny

Sometimes I actually pity them more than I actually laugh at them...but yes they can be quite humorous at times.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 07:05 PM
oh wow how heroic of you.

Not really, I was just letting you know the honest truth about what everyone else with any sort of shed of intelligence thought about your little theory. Oh and not even funny in the slightest.

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 07:12 PM
Sometimes I actually pity them more than I actually laugh at them...but yes they can be quite humorous at times.

speaking of humorous your sig is so ******** it's laughable. it shows jordan and kobe without their multiple hof teammates on one side as if they won by themselves lol such hypocrisy is expected from you though.

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 07:13 PM
Lol lebron fans are funny

and kobe fans are delusional...

amos1er
05-23-2013, 07:24 PM
speaking of humorous your sig is so ******** it's laughable. it shows jordan and kobe without their multiple hof teammates on one side as if they won by themselves lol such hypocrisy is expected from you though.

lulz. As if Jordan and Kobe every had a team as good as Lebron has now or faced such inferior competition in the current eastern conference. The disparity in talent between Lebron's Heat and their competition is only rivaled by the old Celtic teams of the 60's. What dragons has Lebron really slayed??? A Roseless Bulls team??? A super green Thunder team who had never played on a stage that big and a KD who didn't have the talent of Lebron's teammates to back him up??? (not to mention all the help from the refs) Even this year, his greatest competition will likely be an aged Spurs team lead by a 37 year old Tim Duncan. Not only that, Lebron has much much more help than any of his opponents star players have had. Phil Jackson said it best...Lebron failed in his first two finals appearances and by that alone he should never be compared to Jordan. Jordan or Kobe would have never lost to the Mavs with a team that good back in 2011. A true choke job for the ages. One that will stay with him forever.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 07:26 PM
speaking of humorous your sig is so ******** it's laughable. it shows jordan and kobe without their multiple hof teammates on one side as if they won by themselves lol such hypocrisy is expected from you though.

Don't be mad at me...Jordan is the one who said it. I'm only quoting him.

c.c.
05-23-2013, 07:29 PM
I'm happy for Paul George and Marc Gasol. Dwight Howard shouldnt have placed in front of Jokim Noah for the third team.[/QUOTE]

I agree

beliges
05-23-2013, 07:30 PM
lol kobe just living of rep and name recognition, what else is new.

No need to put down Kobe just to make Lebron look better. Everyone knows Lebron is the best player in the game today. Kobe was the best during the prior decade. However, what Kobe was able to accomplish this season was unheard of in the history of the league. No 17 year veteran was able to play as good or get on the 1st Team All NBA. Stop bashing former greats to propel Lebron to their level.

LBJ is working on his 2nd Title. Let him climb the championship charts before you try to bash those all time greats who have accomplished a tremendous amount more than Lebron has as of yet. This decade should be Lebron's to dominate just like Kobe did in the 00s, just like MJ did in the 90s and like Magic/Bird did in the 80s.

Stop being a dumbass is basically what I am saying.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 07:32 PM
No need to put down Kobe just to make Lebron look better. Everyone knows Lebron is the best player in the game today. Kobe was the best during the prior decade. However, what Kobe was able to accomplish this season was unheard of in the history of the league. No 17 year veteran was able to play as good or get on the 1st Team All NBA. Stop bashing former greats to propel Lebron to their level.

LBJ is working on his 2nd Title. Let him climb the championship charts before you try to bash those all time greats who have accomplished a tremendous amount more than Lebron has as of yet. This decade should be Lebron's to dominate just like Kobe did in the 00s, just like MJ did in the 90s and like Magic/Bird did in the 80s.

Stop being a dumbass is basically what I am saying.

That about sums it up.

He obviously has an agenda.

Some of the crap he spews is truly laughable.

Kashmir13579
05-23-2013, 07:34 PM
David Lee getting that respect

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 07:37 PM
No need to put down Kobe just to make Lebron look better. Everyone knows Lebron is the best player in the game today. Kobe was the best during the prior decade. However, what Kobe was able to accomplish this season was unheard of in the history of the league. No 17 year veteran was able to play as good or get on the 1st Team All NBA. Stop bashing former greats to propel Lebron to their level.

LBJ is working on his 2nd Title. Let him climb the championship charts before you try to bash those all time greats who have accomplished a tremendous amount more than Lebron has as of yet. This decade should be Lebron's to dominate just like Kobe did in the 00s, just like MJ did in the 90s and like Magic/Bird did in the 80s.

Stop being a dumbass is basically what I am saying.

i'm not trying to make lerbon look better at all, i'm not even a huge lebron fan in fact i didn't even like him before he came to miami. kobe played great for a 17 year vet agreed, doesn't mean he deserved 1st team because of his age though lol.

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 07:43 PM
That about sums it up.

He obviously has an agenda.

Some of the crap he spews is truly laughable.

lol so me thinking kobe didn't deserve 1st team over a number of guards who had great seasons means i have an agenda. your one to talk, i don't think i've ever seen a single post of yours that doesn't either praise kobe, or rip lebron and most of the time they contain both :laugh:.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 08:15 PM
lol so me thinking kobe didn't deserve 1st team over a number of guards who had great seasons means i have an agenda. your one to talk, i don't think i've ever seen a single post of yours that doesn't either praise kobe, or rip lebron and most of the time they contain both :laugh:.

Almost no guard was better than Kobe this year, try again troll.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 08:16 PM
What a lame theory. The mods would have traced his IP by now if that were true and since they haven't it's obviously not. Give it up already.

I was posting here at the same time as KB too, Lol, he would make one ****** detective.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-23-2013, 08:18 PM
lulz. As if Jordan and Kobe every had a team as good as Lebron has now or faced such inferior competition in the current eastern conference. The disparity in talent between Lebron's Heat and their competition is only rivaled by the old Celtic teams of the 60's. What dragons has Lebron really slayed??? A Roseless Bulls team??? A super green Thunder team who had never played on a stage that big and a KD who didn't have the talent of Lebron's teammates to back him up??? (not to mention all the help from the refs) Even this year, his greatest competition will likely be an aged Spurs team lead by a 37 year old Tim Duncan. Not only that, Lebron has much much more help than any of his opponents star players have had. Phil Jackson said it best...Lebron failed in his first two finals appearances and by that alone he should never be compared to Jordan. Jordan or Kobe would have never lost to the Mavs with a team that good back in 2011. A true choke job for the ages. One that will stay with him forever.

Preach!

bucketss
05-23-2013, 08:23 PM
That about sums it up.

He obviously has an agenda.

Some of the crap he spews is truly laughable.

omg i can't believe this is coming from you:laugh:

bucketss
05-23-2013, 08:31 PM
lulz. As if Jordan and Kobe every had a team as good as Lebron has now or faced such inferior competition in the current eastern conference. The disparity in talent between Lebron's Heat and their competition is only rivaled by the old Celtic teams of the 60's. What dragons has Lebron really slayed??? A Roseless Bulls team??? A super green Thunder team who had never played on a stage that big and a KD who didn't have the talent of Lebron's teammates to back him up??? (not to mention all the help from the refs) Even this year, his greatest competition will likely be an aged Spurs team lead by a 37 year old Tim Duncan. Not only that, Lebron has much much more help than any of his opponents star players have had. Phil Jackson said it best...Lebron failed in his first two finals appearances and by that alone he should never be compared to Jordan. Jordan or Kobe would have never lost to the Mavs with a team that good back in 2011. A true choke job for the ages. One that will stay with him forever.

lol lets see what kobe has done,... rode shaqs cot tails.. finally drives shaq out, loses for a couple seasons, demands trade, gets the best pf in the game, gets embarrassed in the finals against the celtics, faces a magic team who was green like you said about the thunder only difference is they were much less talented than the thunder plus they had injury issues, than make it back to the in the finals the following year, get taken to 7 games by an old and crippled celtics team that lost kendrick perkins in game 6, kobe than continues to choke going 6-25 or something but don't worry refs awarded them 21 4th quarter freethrows(more than the celtics had all game).

which pretty much sums up one of the most overrated careers in history, not surprising he doesn't statistically match up with the greats(top ten)

Chronz
05-23-2013, 09:18 PM
Whats wrong with the Dwight vote?

Lee tho?

SportsFanatic10
05-23-2013, 10:06 PM
Almost no guard was better than Kobe this year, try again troll.

cp3/parker/harden/wade/westbrook

ya i'm a troll, sure means alot coming from one who has a number of bans lol.

JordansBulls
05-23-2013, 10:27 PM
Glad to see Duncan on it.

amos1er
05-23-2013, 11:53 PM
I was posting here at the same time as KB too, Lol, he would make one ****** detective.

Don't I know. His deductive reasoning skills are about as good as his b-ball player judgement skills.

stawka
05-23-2013, 11:59 PM
That about sums it up.

He obviously has an agenda.

Some of the crap he spews is truly laughable.

Pot - meet Kettle

amos1er
05-24-2013, 12:08 AM
Pot - meet Kettle

How nice of you to chime in with that little witticism. Too bad you have nothing insightful to offer to the actual debate at hand.

stawka
05-24-2013, 12:17 AM
And your opinion is widely considered to be so wise? Everyone knows you're a joke around here dude. Maybe in the Lakers forum you're considered a God by the Kobephiles, but even sensible Laker fans think you're a joke. One of those kids in school who walks around with his pants around his ankles thinking he's cool while everyone else thinks you're a flat out tosser :)

Anyway, it's great to see Duncan in there - well deserved for the old-timer. The SG was between Kobe and Harden, nobody else

IversonIsKrazy
05-24-2013, 12:23 AM
Curry over Wade. Other than that, it was a perfect list.

waveycrockett
05-24-2013, 12:31 AM
No way Howard was better than Lopez this year.

Coming from an LA fan that means a lot. Lopez played his butt off this year and improved every aspect of his game. He won't get votes over more popular players like Howard tho which is a shame.

MyDRoseLikeDeng
05-24-2013, 12:43 AM
mad respect for Timmy. Hope he gets that 5th ring this year!

Supreme LA
05-24-2013, 01:03 AM
Dwight shouldn't have made it that high and definitely Curry over Wade.

Tony_Starks
05-24-2013, 01:09 AM
No argument with first team. Please don't get it twisted and think they gifted Kobe and Duncan those slots. They went to WORK this season.

210Don
05-24-2013, 01:24 AM
happy timmys on the team :)

ThunderousDemon
05-24-2013, 01:45 AM
:clap:

Good for Timmah and Colby. Well deserved.

akesh99
05-24-2013, 01:45 AM
I'd have Noah over Dwight and Curry over Wade. I feel like those two just made it based on their names.

amos1er
05-24-2013, 03:31 AM
And your opinion is widely considered to be so wise? Everyone knows you're a joke around here dude. Maybe in the Lakers forum you're considered a God by the Kobephiles, but even sensible Laker fans think you're a joke. One of those kids in school who walks around with his pants around his ankles thinking he's cool while everyone else thinks you're a flat out tosser :)

Anyway, it's great to see Duncan in there - well deserved for the old-timer. The SG was between Kobe and Harden, nobody else

A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

amos1er
05-24-2013, 05:20 AM
lol lets see what kobe has done,... rode shaqs cot tails..

If you call being the greatest second option (I prefer to think of him as 1b) in the history of the NBA riding coattails than I have just lost what little respect for your posts that I had left. Who was the closer again during that run? Who did Shaq call the greatest player in the NBA in 2001 when the Lakers nearly swept the entire playoffs? Who put up better numbers and was the main catalyst in the 2001 playoffs against the better teams (Spurs and Kings)? Who was the best wing player in the NBA from 2000-2002? Would love to see you attempt to answer those questions. lol


finally drives shaq out,

Even Shaq doesn't think that lol. Shaq was on the decline and the Lakers didn't want to give him another max deal. Sure, the Lakers might have won one more championship if they had gambled on him like Miami did, but they did the wiser thing and freed up enough cap space to put a team around Kobe and ended up wining two instead. Shaq only got in good shape once they traded him to Miami. His work ethic was declining and was only motivated due to the scorn he felt by being traded.


loses for a couple seasons, demands trade,

lol He had one of the worst rosters in the NBA for those two seasons...oh and had a record breaking 81 point game and scored 62 in three quarters I might add. He only demanded a trade because Jim Buss was ****ing things so bad that he lost confidence in the franchise and wanted Buss Sr to get back in the mix. It worked and they got him the team he needed. Even Phil had his back on all that...apparently the end justified the means. lol


gets the best pf in the game,

LMAO!!! Ever heard of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, or Dirk Nowitzki. EPIC FAIL!!!


gets embarrassed in the finals against the celtics,

A six game series is hardly getting embarrassed especially when the Celtics clearly had the best team in the NBA. The first official big 3 I recall, though it's nothing compared to the Heats current big 3, but it was the first of it's kind and they were one of the best teams of their era. It's nothing like Lebron back in 2011 going into the finals as a favorite and HCA with the best big 3 of all time and still losing while having the least productive 4th quarters for a franchise player in NBA finals history. Now that's embarrassing. lulz.


faces a magic team who was green like you said about the thunder only difference is they were much less talented than the thunder plus they had injury issues,

They were enough to beat the 66 win Cavs who were favored my most experts including your boy Hollinger to go all the way that year. Though they were green I'll give you that. However, the teams Kobe faced in the western conference that year were far more difficult than anything Lebron has faced in the east since forging the unholy trinity. The 2009 Nuggets were arguably a better squad than the 2012 Thunder and were significantly more experienced. Even Hollinger and well as many other experts favored Denver in that series.


than make it back to the in the finals the following year, get taken to 7 games by an old and crippled celtics team that lost kendrick perkins in game 6,

Old and Crippled Celtics. Jeez how are you still allowed to post. They were only a season removed from the 2008 Celtics who dominated the league and BTW, beat the 2010 Cavs who Hollinger once again favored to go all the way. Without HCA might I add. Perkins went down at the end of game 6, a game might I add in which Celtics were getting blown out in regardless.


kobe than continues to choke going 6-25 or something

He had his knee drained twice and didn't have use of two fingers in his shooting hand. Yet he still found a way to grab 15 rebounds in a series where the team that won the battle of the boards, won every single game. Your boy Lebron sits out at the end of important playoff games with cramps. Lets not even get into who is the tougher competitor out of the two because they aren't even in the same universe. Kobe tears his Achilles and still hit two free throws to help his team in a tight game. Lebron has a leg cramp and needs to get carried off the court in a tight game. Please bro...lets not even compare heart, determination and mental toughness because your boy will get humiliated.


but don't worry refs awarded them 21 4th quarter freethrows(more than the celtics had all game).

Game two of the 2008 NBA finals??? lol I'd love to see your breakdown of the calls you felt were suspect in that game. Don't even think the officiating was that bad if you actually watch the game and don't just look at the box score...which is something you Lebronites are so good at.


which pretty much sums up one of the most overrated careers in history, not surprising he doesn't statistically match up with the greats(top ten)

Ugh...back to your obtuse overvaluing of stats. :pity:

Speaking of overrated, I have heard many Lebronites including your fellow comrade Chris Broussard say that Lebron doesn't have to match Jordan ring for ring to surpass him. LMAO!!!

Maybe you all have selective memories and are forgetting that he is only 1/3 in the finals thus far and Jordan was 6/6. According to the great Phil Jackson, that alone disqualifies him from ever surpassing Jordan, yet Broussard and many other Lebronites say that he doesn't even need to match him ring for ring. Yet Kobe is the overrated one according to you. :rolleyes:

D.O.N.
05-24-2013, 05:34 AM
I think Brook Lopez should have made it. He was:

Top 10 in scoring (1st among C's)
Top 10 in Blocks per game
Top 5 in PER
Improved defensivly (Won't be the DPOY anytime soon, but he improved a lot)
While leading his team to a pretty good recod

And to everyone who say it's because of the borads:
Marc Gasol (DPOY, allnba 2nd team,2nd team allD) averages exatly 0.9 more boards per game in 5 more minutes played. Just like Marc he plays whit a top rebounder next to him (evans leads the NBA in Rp48, TRB%,DRB% and ORB %, Hump is also good) so it not like hes that far behind. In games he do played 34+ minutes he did averaged 8,1 board (along whit 23 point)

I think he really had a better season than dwight. ( I would also take Noah over Dwight this year, even though he did missed plenty of games)

bucketss
05-24-2013, 09:00 AM
If you call being the greatest second option (I prefer to think of him as 1b) in the history of the NBA riding coattails than I have just lost what little respect for your posts that I had left. Who was the closer again during that run? Who did Shaq call the greatest player in the NBA in 2001 when the Lakers nearly swept the entire playoffs? Who put up better numbers and was the main catalyst in the 2001 playoffs against the better teams (Spurs and Kings)? Who was the best wing player in the NBA from 2000-2002? Would love to see you attempt to answer those questions. lol

save even kobe admits he was carried, kobe is one of the most fortunate superstars in nba history



Even Shaq doesn't think that lol. Shaq was on the decline and the Lakers didn't want to give him another max deal. Sure, the Lakers might have won one more championship if they had gambled on him like Miami did, but they did the wiser thing and freed up enough cap space to put a team around Kobe and ended up wining two instead. Shaq only got in good shape once they traded him to Miami. His work ethic was declining and was only motivated due to the scorn he felt by being traded.

they could have kept him but it was well known that kobe was tired of being shaqs *****, shaq even made a little freestyle asking kobe how his buttocks taste;), not surprising he sabotaged the 2004 finals.


lol He had one of the worst rosters in the NBA for those two seasons...oh and had a record breaking 81 point game and scored 62 in three quarters I might add. He only demanded a trade because Jim Buss was ****ing things so bad that he lost confidence in the franchise and wanted Buss Sr to get back in the mix. It worked and they got him the team he needed. Even Phil had his back on all that...apparently the end justified the means. lol

you're just luck he wasn't a free agent that yeat.


LMAO!!! Ever heard of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, or Dirk Nowitzki. EPIC FAIL!!!

he was top 3, i would say ahead of duncan and dirk, from 2009 he was unarguably the best pf in the game, not surprising a kobephile would underate kobes teammates.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-power-forwards-10-through-1?urn=nba,265161



A six game series is hardly getting embarrassed especially when the Celtics clearly had the best team in the NBA. The first official big 3 I recall, though it's nothing compared to the Heats current big 3, but it was the first of it's kind and they were one of the best teams of their era. It's nothing like Lebron back in 2011 going into the finals as a favorite and HCA with the best big 3 of all time and still losing while having the least productive 4th quarters for a franchise player in NBA finals history. Now that's embarrassing. lulz.

it only went six because of the playoff format,it included games like game 4 when the whole team embarrassed them selves especially kobe with his EPIC choke job no one ever talks about, you think jordan would have went 6-19 with only 17 points in an important playoff game??? i wonder why no one brings that game up??? epic choke job...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280612013


They were enough to beat the 66 win Cavs who were favored my most experts including your boy Hollinger to go all the way that year. Though they were green I'll give you that. However, the teams Kobe faced in the western conference that year were far more difficult than anything Lebron has faced in the east since forging the unholy trinity. The 2009 Nuggets were arguably a better squad than the 2012 Thunder and were significantly more experienced. Even Hollinger and well as many other experts favored Denver in that series.

lol at nuggets being better than the thunder lmao!!!! wtf thats such a silly comment smh, harden,westbrook, durant.... do you see how stacked that team is??? harden just proved he is a top ten player. they had a top ten player comming off the bench for them, both westbrook and durant are in the discussion for best player at their respective positions,


Old and Crippled Celtics. Jeez how are you still allowed to post. They were only a season removed from the 2008 Celtics who dominated the league and BTW, beat the 2010 Cavs who Hollinger once again favored to go all the way. Without HCA might I add. Perkins went down at the end of game 6, a game might I add in which Celtics were getting blown out in regardless.

wow are you saying that the 2008 celtics team even compares with the 2010 celtics? WTF, we all know if that 2008 celtics team faced the 2010 lakers, LA would get embarrassed.


He had his knee drained twice and didn't have use of two fingers in his shooting hand. Yet he still found a way to grab 15 rebounds in a series where the team that won the battle of the boards, won every single game. Your boy Lebron sits out at the end of important playoff games with cramps. Lets not even get into who is the tougher competitor out of the two because they aren't even in the same universe. Kobe tears his Achilles and still hit two free throws to help his team in a tight game. Lebron has a leg cramp and needs to get carried off the court in a tight game. Please bro...lets not even compare heart, determination and mental toughness because your boy will get humiliated.

smh, this is why kobe is overrated, and why he sneaked into the top ten players of all time, a place he clearly doesn't belong, yes man his will to win is unmatched!!! that man has "it" what ever that "it" is that man has it!! and lets not forget his killer instinct and clutch gene:rolleyes:!!!


Game two of the 2008 NBA finals??? lol I'd love to see your breakdown of the calls you felt were suspect in that game. Don't even think the officiating was that bad if you actually watch the game and don't just look at the box score...which is something you Lebronites are so good at.

game 2 was a bit suspicious, doesn't mean they have to make it up 2 years later smh, celtics would have still won regardless.


Ugh...back to your obtuse overvaluing of stats. :pity:

truth hurts



Speaking of overrated, I have heard many Lebronites including your fellow comrade Chris Broussard say that Lebron doesn't have to match Jordan ring for ring to surpass him. LMAO!!!

lebron will never catch jordan that ship sailed in the 2011 finals. still best player since jordan retired.


Maybe you all have selective memories and are forgetting that he is only 1/3 in the finals thus far and Jordan was 6/6. According to the great Phil Jackson, that alone disqualifies him from ever surpassing Jordan, yet Broussard and many other Lebronites say that he doesn't even need to match him ring for ring. Yet Kobe is the overrated one according to you. :rolleyes:

lol idk why finals record matters, should lebron have tanked in 2007 so he his finals record could be 1-1 would that have been better:confused:

cleptopot
05-24-2013, 09:44 AM
Why all the hate on Wade? He had a great season and deserved his spot over Curry. Seems like people forgot how efficient his season was and are prisoner of the moment. 21/5/5 on 52% season in 35 minutes is great for anyone and definitely worthy of a spot. Curry has been great also but it isn't some complete shock for Wade to be on the list over him. Look deeper into their stats and the teams success.

Miami won 66 games, so yes they definitely do deserve another player chosen on the list. And it isn't as if Wade missed half the season (only missed 13 games- many due to rest) Warriors were already rewarded with having Lee on 3rd team, so it is justified.

allSUAVE
05-24-2013, 10:52 AM
Dlee>Bosh>Griffin

Brook lopez>Dwight

RaiderLakersA's
05-24-2013, 11:40 AM
No argument with first team. Please don't get it twisted and think they gifted Kobe and Duncan those slots. They went to WORK this season.

:clap:

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 11:56 AM
lol lets see what kobe has done,... rode shaqs cot tails.. finally drives shaq out, loses for a couple seasons, demands trade, gets the best pf in the game, gets embarrassed in the finals against the celtics, faces a magic team who was green like you said about the thunder only difference is they were much less talented than the thunder plus they had injury issues, than make it back to the in the finals the following year, get taken to 7 games by an old and crippled celtics team that lost kendrick perkins in game 6, kobe than continues to choke going 6-25 or something but don't worry refs awarded them 21 4th quarter freethrows(more than the celtics had all game).

which pretty much sums up one of the most overrated careers in history, not surprising he doesn't statistically match up with the greats(top ten)

:facepalm: worst post in the thread. This is almost as funny as you saying Lebron got jealous of Wade and lost the finals on purpose. Keep the gold rolling KIP.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 11:59 AM
Whats wrong with the Dwight vote?

Lee tho?
I don't think he deserves it, and I'm a Laker fan. I think we can all agree that Howard played like **** this year.

cp3/parker/harden/wade/westbrook

ya i'm a troll, sure means alot coming from one who has a number of bans lol.Maybe Cp3, no one else is close.




A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the sheep.

Lmao.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 12:01 PM
If you call being the greatest second option (I prefer to think of him as 1b) in the history of the NBA riding coattails than I have just lost what little respect for your posts that I had left. Who was the closer again during that run? Who did Shaq call the greatest player in the NBA in 2001 when the Lakers nearly swept the entire playoffs? Who put up better numbers and was the main catalyst in the 2001 playoffs against the better teams (Spurs and Kings)? Who was the best wing player in the NBA from 2000-2002? Would love to see you attempt to answer those questions. lol



Even Shaq doesn't think that lol. Shaq was on the decline and the Lakers didn't want to give him another max deal. Sure, the Lakers might have won one more championship if they had gambled on him like Miami did, but they did the wiser thing and freed up enough cap space to put a team around Kobe and ended up wining two instead. Shaq only got in good shape once they traded him to Miami. His work ethic was declining and was only motivated due to the scorn he felt by being traded.



lol He had one of the worst rosters in the NBA for those two seasons...oh and had a record breaking 81 point game and scored 62 in three quarters I might add. He only demanded a trade because Jim Buss was ****ing things so bad that he lost confidence in the franchise and wanted Buss Sr to get back in the mix. It worked and they got him the team he needed. Even Phil had his back on all that...apparently the end justified the means. lol



LMAO!!! Ever heard of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, or Dirk Nowitzki. EPIC FAIL!!!



A six game series is hardly getting embarrassed especially when the Celtics clearly had the best team in the NBA. The first official big 3 I recall, though it's nothing compared to the Heats current big 3, but it was the first of it's kind and they were one of the best teams of their era. It's nothing like Lebron back in 2011 going into the finals as a favorite and HCA with the best big 3 of all time and still losing while having the least productive 4th quarters for a franchise player in NBA finals history. Now that's embarrassing. lulz.



They were enough to beat the 66 win Cavs who were favored my most experts including your boy Hollinger to go all the way that year. Though they were green I'll give you that. However, the teams Kobe faced in the western conference that year were far more difficult than anything Lebron has faced in the east since forging the unholy trinity. The 2009 Nuggets were arguably a better squad than the 2012 Thunder and were significantly more experienced. Even Hollinger and well as many other experts favored Denver in that series.



Old and Crippled Celtics. Jeez how are you still allowed to post. They were only a season removed from the 2008 Celtics who dominated the league and BTW, beat the 2010 Cavs who Hollinger once again favored to go all the way. Without HCA might I add. Perkins went down at the end of game 6, a game might I add in which Celtics were getting blown out in regardless.



He had his knee drained twice and didn't have use of two fingers in his shooting hand. Yet he still found a way to grab 15 rebounds in a series where the team that won the battle of the boards, won every single game. Your boy Lebron sits out at the end of important playoff games with cramps. Lets not even get into who is the tougher competitor out of the two because they aren't even in the same universe. Kobe tears his Achilles and still hit two free throws to help his team in a tight game. Lebron has a leg cramp and needs to get carried off the court in a tight game. Please bro...lets not even compare heart, determination and mental toughness because your boy will get humiliated.



Game two of the 2008 NBA finals??? lol I'd love to see your breakdown of the calls you felt were suspect in that game. Don't even think the officiating was that bad if you actually watch the game and don't just look at the box score...which is something you Lebronites are so good at.



Ugh...back to your obtuse overvaluing of stats. :pity:

Speaking of overrated, I have heard many Lebronites including your fellow comrade Chris Broussard say that Lebron doesn't have to match Jordan ring for ring to surpass him. LMAO!!!

Maybe you all have selective memories and are forgetting that he is only 1/3 in the finals thus far and Jordan was 6/6. According to the great Phil Jackson, that alone disqualifies him from ever surpassing Jordan, yet Broussard and many other Lebronites say that he doesn't even need to match him ring for ring. Yet Kobe is the overrated one according to you. :rolleyes:

Wow, at least give Buckets a warning that you're not going to use lube. Ouch.

Lakers + Giants
05-24-2013, 12:13 PM
Buckets, just log off, you got raped lmfao. Must hurt coming from a "kobephile".

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 12:21 PM
save even kobe admits he was carried, kobe is one of the most fortunate superstars in nba history



*(Kobe the most fortunate, but Lebron with a top 3 team all time is not.lol)*


they could have kept him but it was well known that kobe was tired of being shaqs *****, shaq even made a little freestyle asking kobe how his buttocks taste;), not surprising he sabotaged the 2004 finals.


*(Shaq left because he knew Kobe was talking over as the man. Kobe proved that he was capable of being a leader.http://youtu.be/ILwyffzltQA)*


you're just luck he wasn't a free agent that yeat.


*(0 chance Kobe was leaving the Lakers.)*


he was top 3, i would say ahead of duncan and dirk, from 2009 he was unarguably the best pf in the game, not surprising a kobephile would underate kobes teammates.
Gasol was never the best pf in the game during or runs. Top 3 yes.
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-power-forwards-10-through-1?urn=nba,265161




it only went six because of the playoff format,it included games like game 4 when the whole team embarrassed them selves especially kobe with his EPIC choke job no one ever talks about, you think jordan would have went 6-19 with only 17 points in an important playoff game??? i wonder why no one brings that game up??? epic choke job...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280612013

*(Kobe and Pau had to face the Celtics by themselves. Not to mention, we were super injured that year.)*



lol at nuggets being better than the thunder lmao!!!! wtf thats such a silly comment smh, harden,westbrook, durant.... do you see how stacked that team is??? harden just proved he is a top ten player. they had a top ten player comming off the bench for them, both westbrook and durant are in the discussion for best player at their respective positions,


*(Harden had a break out year, but that how good was he on the Thunder?)*


wow are you saying that the 2008 celtics team even compares with the 2010 celtics? WTF, we all know if that 2008 celtics team faced the 2010 lakers, LA would get embarrassed.


*(They are very comparable, They had almost all the same players and a few other solid guys. They kicked the living **** out of Lebron that year.)*



smh, this is why kobe is overrated, and why he sneaked into the top ten players of all time, a place he clearly doesn't belong, yes man his will to win is unmatched!!! that man has "it" what ever that "it" is that man has it!! and lets not forget his killer instinct and clutch gene:rolleyes:!!!


*(Kobe not in your top ten:facepalm: what a pathetic little hater you are.)*

game 2 was a bit suspicious, doesn't mean they have to make it up 2 years later smh, celtics would have still won regardless.



truth hurts

*(you want to talk about suspicious games, Lmao! Lebron and the Heat are the Kings of those)*


lebron will never catch jordan that ship sailed in the 2011 finals. still best player since jordan retired.

(negative)

lol idk why finals record matters, should lebron have tanked in 2007 so he his finals record could be 1-1 would that have been better:confused:

*(Well maybe Lebron shouldn't get jealous of his team mates and lose the Finals on purpose."quote by Buckets")*

Edit: Look through your post.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 12:24 PM
Buckets, just log off, you got raped lmfao. Must hurt coming from a "kobephile".

Him getting raped in a debate is nothing new.

beliges
05-24-2013, 12:25 PM
i'm not trying to make lerbon look better at all, i'm not even a huge lebron fan in fact i didn't even like him before he came to miami. kobe played great for a 17 year vet agreed, doesn't mean he deserved 1st team because of his age though lol.

He wasnt first team BECAUSE of his age. He was first team because he was one of the best 5 players in the league and the best SG in the league. So dont get it twisted, he wasnt First team BECAUSE of his age. However, his season was historically amazing BECAUSE of his age. He had far and away the greatest season this far down his career over anyone to have ever played, and thats an amazing accomplishment.

With that said, this is now Lebron's league as he is lined up to win multiple titles from this point. He has the best team in the league and is the best player in the league. Its his time to reach that level of greatness like the Magics, MJ, Kobes and Birds before him.

ztilzer31
05-24-2013, 12:26 PM
I don't think harden should be ahead of Parker. Parker had a great regular season and on top of that is leading the Spurs in the playoffs. I think its ridiculous to even say. To be honest, if anything Parker should be ahead of Chris Paul. Its not about how good you can be, its about what the hell you've done. Parker isn't the flashiest or gets the credit he deserves, but what the hell has CP3 accomplished this season that surpasses Parker? CP3 had a good team this year and he didn't lead them. Chris Paul has a higher ceiling, but he hasnt done crap to deserve 1st team this year

Except CP3 played amazing all season, and took a team that was below average at best before he showed up and made them into playoff contenders...

I like Tony Parker, but don't deny Chris Paul. He's by far the best player on his team (which Parker arguably isn't), and has one of the greatest assist to t/o ratio in the history of basketball.

ztilzer31
05-24-2013, 12:27 PM
I hate Kobe. That being said he deserved all NBA first team this year. Dwyane Wade was inconsistent. You could make an argument for Westbrook, but I definitely think he was the best SG in the league.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 12:37 PM
Except CP3 played amazing all season, and took a team that was below average at best before he showed up and made them into playoff contenders...

I like Tony Parker, but don't deny Chris Paul. He's by far the best player on his team (which Parker arguably isn't), and has one of the greatest assist to t/o ratio in the history of basketball.

Lol, the clippers were one of the deepest teams in the league.

Chronz
05-24-2013, 02:04 PM
I don't think he deserves it, and I'm a Laker fan. I think we can all agree that Howard played like **** this year.

But he didn't play like ****. He was an All-Star and one of the most productive centers.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 02:19 PM
But he didn't play like ****. He was an All-Star and one of the most productive centers.

Well not like ****, but not "Howard like". The center position is not very deep though. I think next year he'll be back to normal, unless he really did get exposed this year.

bucketss
05-24-2013, 03:07 PM
Buckets, just log off, you got raped lmfao. Must hurt coming from a "kobephile".

lol waht?? if anyone got raped it was a amos1er,, but being a laker fan you do have your bias and you would always side with your fellow laker fan.

Chronz
05-24-2013, 03:26 PM
Well not like ****, but not "Howard like". The center position is not very deep though. I think next year he'll be back to normal, unless he really did get exposed this year.

Not Howard like isn't a valid complaint for not making the team, in case you havent noticed , NOBODY (save for arguably Duncan) is holding down the Center position the way Dwight did back then. That doesn't mean we ignore players, SOMEONE has to make All-NBA Center.

Dwight has as strong of a case as any is my point. You guys are going overboard

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-24-2013, 03:37 PM
Not Howard like isn't a valid complaint for not making the team, in case you havent noticed , NOBODY (save for arguably Duncan) is holding down the Center position the way Dwight did back then. That doesn't mean we ignore players, SOMEONE has to make All-NBA Center.

Dwight has as strong of a case as any is my point. You guys are going overboard

It was pretty painful to watch Dwight this season. You don't think Noah or any other big deserved it?

Bruno
05-25-2013, 05:09 PM
I would have Curry over Wade, and Brook Lopez over Dwight on the third team. Those are the only obvious changes I would make. I think CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Harden, Kobe could all be somewhat interchangeable honestly depending on what you value in players, so no real problem there to me.

Overall I think they did a really good job though, just a couple minor changes.

EDIT: Harden, CP3 first team Kobe, Parker second and Westbrook on third team is how I would have personally ranked that group. It is ridiculously close though, like I said. I could see an argument for Westbrook on the first team too (best defense of the group).

Nice.


What does this have to do with this year?
i meant to click single season. numbers still favor paul by notable margins.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=parketo01&y1=2013&p2=paulch01&y2=2013


My bad. I was thinking it was 2 guards, not a PG and a SG. In that case, Harden is probably the only one that could challenge Kobe for the 1st team.
harden had an argument.


With Parker missing a healthy amount of games, I have no problem with Kobe making 1st team all NBA.
:hi5:


Yup, Duncan has been amazing. If he wins a ring this year, he could move up to the top five of all time IMO.
I think he could challenge top five with a fifth championship, fourth finals MVP, against LBJ and Miami.



No way Howard was better than Lopez this year.
Lopez has him in advanced line considerably. Howard was 75% himself on defense this year. I think a Lopez vote would have been well deserved. but chronz is right to, it isn't some horrific selection. he was a top 3-4 center this year regardless of chemistry and injuries.


Whats wrong with the Dwight vote?

Lee tho?
who you got, Bosh?