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Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 08:13 PM
Alot different than psd rankings.

This sucks I can't add attachment.

1. Mj
2.kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Lbj
12. Moses
13. Big O
14. Jerry west
15. Dr. j
16. Kg
17. Malone
18.barkley
19. Baylor
20. Pettit
21. Havlicek
22. Dirk
23. Mikan
24. Robinson
25. Isiah
26. Cousy
27. Pippen
28. Barry
29. Wade
30. Willis reed
31. Ewing
32. Stockton
33. Frazier
34. Drexler
35. Nash
36. Iverson
37. Cowens
38. Schayes
39. Walton
40. Mchale
41. Kidd
42. Unseld
43. Payton
44. Hayes
45. Arizin
46. Mcadoo
47. Nique
48. Gervin
49. Pierce
50. Rodman

And so forth

Raps18-19 Champ
05-20-2013, 08:16 PM
Russel over Magic?

Also, Robinson looking a bit low on that list.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 08:25 PM
Russell, Dirk and Iverson are all too high.

Robinson too low.

Why the hell does Paul Pierce even sniff this list?

Avenged
05-20-2013, 08:26 PM
Whoa there. Russells a little high.

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Russell, Dirk and Iverson are all too high.

Robinson too low.

Why the hell does Paul Pierce even sniff this list?

Iverson too high? You show me more with every post your lack of ball knowledge . What? pierce is better than one dementional Bird. He's the one too. The fact he's in the top 10 shows me who made this list. LBJ 11? N'please

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2013, 08:31 PM
Wade on the list is the joke, he's never done crap w/o Bron or Shaq. List is based on titles need bball

TrueFan420
05-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Russell, Dirk and Iverson are all too high.

Robinson too low.

Why the hell does Paul Pierce even sniff this list?
Dude that wrote this must be from Boston

MagicBucsSox
05-20-2013, 08:33 PM
Larry bird over Shaq lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 08:35 PM
I've been saying all along that the majority of PSD who has Wade over Pippen are just delusional.

Pippen > Wade

There is no part of the game that Wade is superior to Pippen besides getting into the paint. Pippen was the overall better player on both ends of the court.

Wade won 1 title without Lebron and that was mainly due to Shaq and a team stacked full of savvy and experienced veterans. Pippen led a Bulls team with just average players the year MJ was gone to the ECF. At least they got that right.

bucketss
05-20-2013, 08:36 PM
Iverson too high? You show me more with every post your lack of ball knowledge . What? pierce is better than one dementional Bird. He's the one too. The fact he's in the top 10 shows me who made this list. LBJ 11? N'please

are you drunk?

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 08:37 PM
Wade on the list is the joke, he's never done crap w/o Bron or Shaq. List is based on titles need bball

Exactly! There is definitely no reason other than titles for Wade being above Ewing and he definitely should not be that close to Pippen.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 08:40 PM
are you drunk?

Nope, that's just how he is, even in the Magic forum. He just blew out his 14th candle, so please excuse his startling lack of basketball knowledge and common sense.

Hawkeye15
05-20-2013, 08:43 PM
Russell a bit high for me.

justinnum1
05-20-2013, 08:46 PM
kobe over duncan? questionable.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 08:47 PM
Iverson too high? You show me more with every post your lack of ball knowledge . What? pierce is better than one dementional Bird. He's the one too. The fact he's in the top 10 shows me who made this list. LBJ 11? N'please

Every time I think, "hmm maybe this guy isn't completely bereft of knowledge," you go and post something like this.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, well then, you're just a jerk.

Jerk.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 08:49 PM
kobe over duncan? questionable.

Arguments could be made for both sides but I think it obviously helps that fact that Kobe has always owned the Spurs.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 08:53 PM
Its more up to date than our list this was done at the beginning of this season oh a durant is like 56 on the list. Cp3 58 , worthy 52 and ray allen 54

justinnum1
05-20-2013, 08:56 PM
Arguments could be made for both sides but I think it obviously helps that fact that Kobe has always owned the Spurs.

Lebron always owns the lakers, guess he has the same argument.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 08:57 PM
Dwight is 51 after this season idk

Cal827
05-20-2013, 08:58 PM
To be fair Justin... The Spurs and Lakers have been rivals over the past decade, and see a lot more of each other than Lebron would of either.

Saying that, Lebron will likely end up better than both of them, when it's all said and done. The man is just amazing.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 08:59 PM
Lebron always owns the lakers, guess he has the same argument.

Ya I guess, but that's only once Lebron collects a few more rings and then that would be a factor. It would also help if Lebron didn't get those victories during the meaningless NBA regular season.

Oh wells, not getting baited into a Lebron vs Kobe debate because we've done this plenty. Also, why do you take everything so personally when it comes to Kobe? Did he bang your mom or something? Troll much?

chong2204
05-20-2013, 09:04 PM
Lebron always owns the lakers, guess he has the same argument.

I think he was talking about the playoffs?..?..But by using your logic, Godfather 2 was better than Godfather 1.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:05 PM
Alot different than psd rankings.

This sucks I can't add attachment.

1. Mj
2.kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Lbj
12. Moses
13. Big O
14. Jerry west
15. Dr. j
16. Kg
17. Malone
18.barkley
19. Baylor
20. Pettit
21. Havlicek
22. Dirk
23. Mikan
24. Robinson
25. Isiah
26. Cousy
27. Pippen
28. Barry
29. Wade
30. Willis reed
31. Ewing
32. Stockton
33. Frazier
34. Drexler
35. Nash
36. Iverson
37. Cowens
38. Schayes
39. Walton
40. Mchale
41. Kidd
42. Unseld
43. Payton
44. Hayes
45. Arizin
46. Mcadoo
47. Nique
48. Gervin
49. Pierce
50. Rodman

And so forth

This list is terrible in so many ways that I don't even feel like listing them. Way too much effort for a list that anyone with any sort of BB knowledge can see is a joke at first glance.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 09:06 PM
Tony parker 80
Melo 91
manu didnt make it only honorable mention.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:07 PM
I think he was talking about the playoffs?..?..But by using your logic, Godfather 2 was better than Godfather 1.

Godfather 2 being better than Godfather 1 is a very debatable. It could go either way IMO.

b@llhog24
05-20-2013, 09:08 PM
Russell, Dirk and Iverson are all too high.

Robinson too low.

Why the hell does Paul Pierce even sniff this list?

I think Dirk has a decent enough argument for being ranked that high, but yea overall this list is horrible.


Iverson too high? You show me more with every post your lack of ball knowledge . What? pierce is better than one dementional Bird. He's the one too. The fact he's in the top 10 shows me who made this list. LBJ 11? N'please

What the ****?


I've been saying all along that the majority of PSD who has Wade over Pippen are just delusional.

Pippen > Wade

There is no part of the game that Wade is superior to Pippen besides getting into the paint. Pippen was the overall better player on both ends of the court.

Wade won 1 title without Lebron and that was mainly due to Shaq and a team stacked full of savvy and experienced veterans. Pippen led a Bulls team with just average players the year MJ was gone to the ECF. At least they got that right.

You actually think that this is a credible list?

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 09:10 PM
I liked God Father II better myself but that's only because I think that's where all the action was.

chong2204
05-20-2013, 09:11 PM
Godfather 2 being better than Godfather 1 is a very debatable. It could go either way IMO.

Now that is something to debate....Throw in Goodfellas and lets see what happens...

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 09:11 PM
I think Dirk has a decent enough argument for being ranked that high, but yea overall this list is horrible.



What the ****?



You actually think that this is a credible list?

I said if there was one thing they got correct was Pippen over Wade. You think that's wrong????

chong2204
05-20-2013, 09:12 PM
Godfather 2 was two movies rolled into one. Kind of epic.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:12 PM
I've been saying all along that the majority of PSD who has Wade over Pippen are just delusional.

Pippen > Wade

There is no part of the game that Wade is superior to Pippen besides getting into the paint. Pippen was the overall better player on both ends of the court.

Wade won 1 title without Lebron and that was mainly due to Shaq and a team stacked full of savvy and experienced veterans. Pippen led a Bulls team with just average players the year MJ was gone to the ECF. At least they got that right.

I think your alone on this one bro. Well, of course every Lebron worshiper on this site will agree with you, but for different reasons.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:14 PM
Now that is something to debate....Throw in Goodfellas and lets see what happens...

Three of my personal favs. It could go either way IMO. It's truly 1a, 1b, and 1c.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:15 PM
I liked God Father II better myself but that's only because I think that's where all the action was.

Two has all the classic Fredo lines too. lol

I always think of Jim Buss when I watch that one for some reason.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 09:17 PM
I think your alone on this one bro. Well, of course every Lebron worshiper on this site will agree with you, but for different reasons.

I'm really interested to hear your reasons please?

Please convince me because I just don't see it.

jerellh528
05-20-2013, 09:17 PM
Lebron always owns the lakers, guess he has the same argument.

:laugh: lebronphiles

justinnum1
05-20-2013, 09:20 PM
:laugh: lebronphiles

Kobephiles :laugh2:

b@llhog24
05-20-2013, 09:20 PM
I said if there was one thing they got correct was Pippen over Wade.

Didn't read that part, my bad.


You think that's wrong????

Wade's a better number #1, Pippen is a better #2.

SportsFanatic10
05-20-2013, 09:21 PM
Ya I guess, but that's only once Lebron collects a few more rings and then that would be a factor. It would also help if Lebron didn't get those victories during the meaningless NBA regular season.

Oh wells, not getting baited into a Lebron vs Kobe debate because we've done this plenty. Also, why do you take everything so personally when it comes to Kobe? Did he bang your mom or something? Troll much?

lol says the guy who comes into this thread with a clear agenda to downplay wade and troll heat fans.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 09:25 PM
Why do people get so butt hurt over other people's lists? They are not all going to be the same.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 09:30 PM
:laugh: lebronphiles

Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

b@llhog24
05-20-2013, 09:33 PM
Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Thought it was only me.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 09:34 PM
Why do people get so butt hurt over other people's lists? They are not all going to be the same.

Lol, exactly. It would be so much easier to except others opinions and have adult dialogue back and forth but only in a perfect world.

Cal827
05-20-2013, 09:44 PM
Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Le-Brophiles?

Dade County
05-20-2013, 09:46 PM
I can just only hope that Wade gets healthy, and no more knee/leg injuries affect him through out his career.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 09:50 PM
lol says the guy who comes into this thread with a clear agenda to downplay wade and troll heat fans.

I wasn't trying to troll Heat fans. It's just that I've constantly encountered those here that always say Wade is better than Pippen and they have never provided any reasons why?

I really don't see the argument for Wade but I'm willing to listen.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 09:50 PM
Le-Brophiles?

Better, but still, not really. Plus, LeBron's name has been altered and it takes away from its significance.

RLundi
05-20-2013, 09:52 PM
Le-Brophiles?

LeBronopaths?

Cal827
05-20-2013, 09:52 PM
Damn.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:54 PM
Le-Brophiles?

I call them "Lebronites". Though I have been using "Lebron Worshipers" lately.

bucketss
05-20-2013, 09:55 PM
I think your alone on this one bro. Well, of course every Lebron worshiper on this site will agree with you, but for different reasons.

why would anyone agree that pippen is better than wade?, we're not like kobephiles that underrate kobes team mates to make the brick mamba look better.

xxplayerxx23
05-20-2013, 09:56 PM
Wilt is a bit low for my taste

RLundi
05-20-2013, 09:57 PM
I call them "Lebronites". Though I have been using "Lebron Worshipers" lately.

LeBronites isn't bad. I'm gonna try my hand at LeBronopaths, see if it catches on. I doubt it but it's worth a shot till someone "Mean Girls" me, "Stop trying to make fetch happen! It's not going to happen!"

I've watched Mean Girls, come at me bro.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 09:58 PM
LeBronopaths?

I have always liked Lebroites. It's like Mickey Mouse and the mouseketeers...Lebron and the Lebronites.

amos1er
05-20-2013, 10:00 PM
LeBronites isn't bad. I'm gonna try my hand at LeBronopaths, see if it catches on. I doubt it but it's worth a shot till someone "Mean Girls" me, "Stop trying to make fetch happen! It's not going to happen!"

I've watched Mean Girls, come at me bro.

I can't really talk **** because I have too. lol

I'm sticking with Lebronites...I have to finish what I started.

still1ballin
05-20-2013, 10:03 PM
No James worthy??

Avenged
05-20-2013, 10:08 PM
No James worthy??

Didn't catch that. He is for sure a top 50 talent imo

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 10:09 PM
Lebronaniacs

amos1er
05-20-2013, 10:10 PM
Lebronaniacs

How about Lebroniacs?

lol I kind of like it.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 10:10 PM
No James worthy??

He is 52 now

amos1er
05-20-2013, 10:13 PM
why would anyone agree that pippen is better than wade?, we're not like kobephiles that underrate kobes team mates to make the brick mamba look better.

LMAO! Ya no Lebronite would ever do that or anything. :rolleyes: Ehem...Bosh...ehem...Bosh...ehem...ehem.

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 10:14 PM
How about Lebroniacs?

lol I kind of like it.

Thx I figure most of them know it alls when it comes to him..brainy plus bron ...boom lls

el hidalgo
05-20-2013, 10:15 PM
i prefer LeBrainiacs

BklynKnicks3
05-20-2013, 10:17 PM
wheres 51-100

Jayrich28
05-20-2013, 10:30 PM
wheres 51-100
I didnt list them..
But
51.dwight
52. Worthy
54. Ray allen
56. Durant
58. Cp3
80. Tony parker
91. Melo

Manu didnt make it only honorable mention...very debatable?

RLundi
05-20-2013, 10:31 PM
Lebronaniacs

Dammit I like it.

LeBroniacs it is.

Kinda mad I didn't come up with that :(

EDIT: the credit is shared between you and amos1er for LeBroniac.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 10:34 PM
I wasn't trying to troll Heat fans. It's just that I've constantly encountered those here that always say Wade is better than Pippen and they have never provided any reasons why?

I really don't see the argument for Wade but I'm willing to listen.

I mean you did say Wade never won without Lebron or Shaq. But how many rings does Pippen have without Jordan? Its pretty clear, Wade has better offense and Pippen better D.

ManRam
05-20-2013, 10:47 PM
pierce is better than one dementional Bird.

i know you're a kansas fan and all, but come on...

still1ballin
05-20-2013, 10:51 PM
He is 52 now

ohh...I was on my phone when I saw the thread earlier, so I didn't see it.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:14 PM
I mean you did say Wade never won without Lebron or Shaq. But how many rings does Pippen have without Jordan? Its pretty clear, Wade has better offense and Pippen better D.

But in what way exactly??

Pippen could finish with the best of them, he was a more consistent perimeter shooter, as well as being a better post player. I mean Wade is really only effective on the fastbreak to which Pippen was just as great if any of you even remember. Pippen literally was 10x better on team and man defense so he was the overall better 2-way player. I will admit Wade is a better ball handler slightly and he can penetrate better but what else?

I still don't understand PSD's reasoning for why Wade is better than Pippen. It doesn't make any sense to me. Everybody I know has always agreed that Pippen is better than Wade but for some reason only on PSD is that not the majority vote and I really know why because I have yet to ever be given a reasonable and valid argument.

el hidalgo
05-20-2013, 11:22 PM
But in what way exactly??

Pippen could finish with the best of them, he was a more consistent perimeter shooter, as well as being a better post player. Pippen literally was 10x better on team and man defense so he was the overall better 2-way player. I will admit Wade is a better ball handler slightly and he can penetrate better but what else?

I still don't understand PSD's reasoning for why Wade is better than Pippen. It doesn't make any sense to me. Everybody I know has always agreed that Pippen is better than Wade but for some reason only on PSD is that not the majority vote and I really know why because I have yet to ever be given a reasonable and valid argument.

cmon man, have you seen the seasons wade has put up? his 08-09 season was insane. pippen couldnt put up MVP seasons like wade

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:26 PM
cmon man, have you seen the seasons wade has put up? his 08-09 season was insane. pippen couldnt put up MVP seasons like wade

Seasons? Wade put up one MVP caliber season and he deserves all the credit for how hard he worked that offseason and coming back from injury. He also led his team one of the worse losing seasons ever not too long after.

But why could Pippen not?? The one year Pippen didn't have MJ he was spectacular so why automatically assume that he couldn't. He basically led a team full of average to below average players to the ECF by himself something Wade has never done. He wasn't ever a player who had his own team.

el hidalgo
05-20-2013, 11:33 PM
Seasons? Wade put up one MVP caliber season and he deserves all the credit for how hard he worked that offseason and coming back from injury. He also led his team one of the worse losing seasons ever not too long after.

But why could Pippen not?? The one year Pippen didn't have MJ he was spectacular so why automatically assume that he couldn't. He basically led a team full of average to below average players to the ECF by himself something Wade has never done. He wasn't ever a player who had his own team.

prime horace grant is average? how about toni kukoc? bj armstrong wasn't too shabby himself. the team was still good man. that was a deep team that played good defense. far from average.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:35 PM
But in what way exactly??

Pippen could finish with the best of them, he was a more consistent perimeter shooter, as well as being a better post player. I mean Wade is really only effective on the fastbreak to which Pippen was just as great if any of you even remember. Pippen literally was 10x better on team and man defense so he was the overall better 2-way player. I will admit Wade is a better ball handler slightly and he can penetrate better but what else?

I still don't understand PSD's reasoning for why Wade is better than Pippen. It doesn't make any sense to me. Everybody I know has always agreed that Pippen is better than Wade but for some reason only on PSD is that not the majority vote and I really know why because I have yet to ever be given a reasonable and valid argument.

Pippen was the better one on one defender, but I believe Wade to be a better help defender and better at reading the lanes. That is why he has better stats in blocks and steals. Usually great one on one defenders don't get these stats though.

Wade also has better stats in his FG% while averaging 8 more points a game over his career so far (this will most likely going down a point or 2 by the time he retires). Pippen has hit 22 ppg for only 1 season, Wade has done it 8 times. Wade so far has also be better with assist stats. Wade has 6 seasons of over 6 assists a game while pippen has only 3.

I mean you said he is a better shooter but wade still has the better fg%. Maybe more were in th paint, but last I remember a shot from 1 foot out is still a shot. It to me looks like Wade us by far the more efficient player. All you can say for puppen is he is a better man defender and rebounded and possibly 3 point shooter. I didn't look that up, but I know wade is bad at 3s.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:36 PM
prime horace grant is average? how about toni kukoc? bj armstrong wasn't too shabby himself. the team was still good man. that was a deep team that played good defense. far from average.

Not nearly as good as a team with Shaq, Antoine Walker, Haslem, Alonzo Mourning, Gary Payton, Eddie Jones, and the more.

Pippen was the only player on that team that drew a double team during that season. You can't say that about the Heat team because Shaq was being tripled and even quadruple teamed every game in the postseason.

Pippen literally led that Bulls team because Grant was a clean up guy on the boards with no offense, Kukoc and Armstrong were spot up shooters who only benefited from Pippen creating. Pippen basically did everything for that Bulls team on defense and creating on offense.

el hidalgo
05-20-2013, 11:39 PM
Not nearly as good as a team with Shaq, Antoine Walker, Haslem, Alonzo Mourning, Gary Payton, Eddie Jones, and the more.

Pippen was the only player on that team that drew a double team during that season. You can't say that about the Heat team because Shaq was being tripled and even quadruple teamed every game in the postseason.

Pippen literally led that Bulls team because Grant was a clean up guy on the boards with no offense, Kukoc and Armstrong were spot up shooters who only benefited from Pippen creating. Pippen basically did everything for that Bulls team on defense and creating on offense.


LOL you pose a strong argument throwing those washed up players in the mix. antoine walker? HA. Shaq was still great that one year with the heat. haslem is a good role player.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:41 PM
Pippen was the better one on one defender, but I believe Wade to be a better help defender and better at reading the lanes. That is why he has better stats in blocks and steals. Usually great one on one defenders don't get these stats though.

Wade also has better stats in his FG% while averaging 8 more points a game over his career so far (this will most likely going down a point or 2 by the time he retires). Pippen has hit 22 ppg for only 1 season, Wade has done it 8 times. Wade so far has also be better with assist stats. Wade has 6 seasons of over 6 assists a game while pippen has only 3.

I mean you said he is a better shooter but wade still has the better fg%. Maybe more were in th paint, but last I remember a shot from 1 foot out is still a shot. It to me looks like Wade us by far the more efficient player. All you can say for puppen is he is a better man defender and rebounded and possibly 3 point shooter. I didn't look that up, but I know wade is bad at 3s.

But this is where stats are misleding. Pippen was obviously on ball most cases so obviously he was free to play the passing lanes as much as Wade to get those steals. I will say that Wade is better help defender when it comes to blocking but nothing else on defense because Pippen was still the better team defender.

As far as FG%, I basically already said Wade was better at penetrating and the majority of his shots obviously came from the paiint and free throw line. It still doesn't mean he is better than Pippen on offense because Pippen was a more consistent shooter, a better back to the basket player, and equally if not better than Wade in the open court.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:42 PM
LOL you pose a strong argument throwing those washed up players in the mix. antoine walker? HA. Shaq was still great that one year with the heat. haslem is a good role player.

Not to mention the year we won Edie jones was not on the team.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:42 PM
LOL you pose a strong argument throwing those washed up players in the mix. antoine walker? HA. Shaq was still great that one year with the heat. haslem is a good role player.

How were they washed up? Veteran experience goes a long way in the postseason as far as defense and especially bringing a young Wade along. You didn't leave Antoine Walker or Eddie Jones open that time. If I remember correctly, Gary Payton hit the biggest shot in the Finals to seal there title.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:44 PM
But this is where stats are misleding. Pippen was obviously on ball most cases so obviously he was free to play the passing lanes as much as Wade to get those steals. I will say that Wade is better help defender when it comes to blocking but nothing else on defense because Pippen was still the better team defender.

As far as FG%, I basically already said Wade was better at penetrating and the majority of his shots obviously came from the paiint and free throw line. It still doesn't mean he is better than Pippen on offense because Pippen was a more consistent shooter, a better back to the basket player, and equally if not better than Wade in the open court.

You have like 3 or 4 things you point out for pippen. I gave you a lot or Wade. You are literally just posting your opinion on why you feel Pippen is better. But honestly without using some facts. Then it's literally just your opinion and no matter what I say I can't change it.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:45 PM
Not to mention the year we won Edie jones was not on the team.

I knew you had to be a Heat fan lol.

I meant to say Dorrel Wright, and include James Posey, and you couldn't leave Jason Kapono open.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:46 PM
How were they washed up? Veteran experience goes a long way in the postseason as far as defense and especially bringing a young Wade along. You didn't leave Antoine Walker or Eddie Jones open that time. If I remember correctly, Gary Payton hit the biggest shot in the Finals to seal there title.

Eddie jones was always left open cause he didn't play for us that year.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:46 PM
You have like 3 or 4 things you point out for pippen. I gave you a lot or Wade. You are literally just posting your opinion on why you feel Pippen is better. But honestly without using some facts. Then it's literally just your opinion and no matter what I say I can't change it.

You gave me 2 for Wade to which the stats don't tell the whole story. I guess it is a matter of opinion it seems so I'll leave it that then.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:47 PM
I knew you had to be a Heat fan lol.

I meant to say Dorrel Wright, and include James Posey, and you couldn't leave Jason Kapono open.

Posey was actually a really big role player for us that year. Lets not forget White Chocolate as well.

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:47 PM
Eddie jones was always left open cause he didn't play for us that year.

I meant to say Dorrel Wright, James Posey, and Jason Kapono.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:49 PM
You gave me 2 for Wade to which the stats don't tell the whole story. I guess it is a matter of opinion it seems so I'll leave it that then.

And a lot of it is going to be opinion vs opinion. No one is going to be successful with that. Lol

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:49 PM
Posey was actually a really big role player for us that year. Lets not forget White Chocolate as well.

Agreed! Posey was a big time player in his prime and help the Celtics get a title when he left.

Seriously, that Heat team was stacked considering the time so I always find it ridiculous when some say that Wade did it all by himself. If anything, that team played off of Shaq just as any of the previous Laker teams.

Slug3
05-20-2013, 11:54 PM
Agreed! Posey was a big time player in his prime and help the Celtics get a title when he left.

Seriously, that Heat team was stacked considering the time so I always find it ridiculous when some say that Wade did it all by himself. If anything, that team played off of Shaq just as any of the previous Laker teams.

I think it's hard to say any one player has won the whole thing by themselves.

Jarvo
05-20-2013, 11:56 PM
How can you say Russell is too high?? Lol

Supreme LA
05-20-2013, 11:58 PM
I think it's hard to say any one player has won the whole thing by themselves.

I definitely agree but to whoever said that Wade was the better #1 option and Pippen was the better #2 option is completely false. If you compare that Bulls team without MJ and compare the Heat 2006 championship team there is a huge difference and it obviously shows that Pippen was amazing when he led that team to the ECF that season.

JordansBulls
05-21-2013, 12:15 AM
I think it's hard to say any one player has won the whole thing by themselves.

I definitely agree but to whoever said that Wade was the better #1 option and Pippen was the better #2 option is completely false. If you compare that Bulls team without MJ and compare the Heat 2006 championship team there is a huge difference and it obviously shows that Pippen was amazing when he led that team to the ECF that season.
When did the bulls make the ECF?

3RDASYSTEM
05-21-2013, 12:36 AM
Russell, Dirk and Iverson are all too high.

Robinson too low.

Why the hell does Paul Pierce even sniff this list?

Are you basing this off PER/WS% or impact/hardwood game?

IVERSON is way too low, he had MCKIE/SNOW for 7yrs as his core and made a finals run, that's easily top 20 for even mainstream rankings

jerellh528
05-21-2013, 12:42 AM
What about lebronatics from lunatics or lebroniacs from maniacs. But i still like lebronphile because its so stupid and sounds ridiculous like kobephile.

IKnowHoops
05-21-2013, 01:12 AM
Russel over Magic?

Also, Robinson looking a bit low on that list.

Lost all respect for this list because of this.

The_Jamal
05-21-2013, 02:51 AM
Bad list.

10-11 spot is about right for LeBron right now though

jerellh528
05-21-2013, 02:56 AM
Bad list.

10-11 spot is about right for LeBron right now though

lol lebronphiles :rolleyes:

ThaDubs
05-21-2013, 03:08 AM
Iverson too high? You show me more with every post your lack of ball knowledge . What? pierce is better than one dementional Bird. He's the one too. The fact he's in the top 10 shows me who made this list. LBJ 11? N'please

Yeah... one demential Bird... :pity:

sunsfan88
05-21-2013, 03:44 AM
Why is Drexler, Reed, Frazier, Pippen, Mikan, Barry all over Nash?

Nash is a 2 time MVP, that first performed the 7SSOL offense to perfection. The guy single handedly revived a sorry, pathetic franchise. Nash was never a role player during his prime.

And Thomas Robinson is far too long as well. Guy was an amazing baller and deserves to be top 20 easily.

Mckphins
05-21-2013, 05:26 AM
Where's Reggie?

TestedWest
05-21-2013, 06:34 AM
I'm a one dimensional bird hear me roar. Caw Caw!

TestedWest
05-21-2013, 06:34 AM
Lol

naps
05-21-2013, 07:34 AM
I wasn't trying to troll Heat fans. It's just that I've constantly encountered those here that always say Wade is better than Pippen and they have never provided any reasons why?

I really don't see the argument for Wade but I'm willing to listen.

Why don't you prove why Pippen is better? Go do a real analysis like it's your thesis paper since you have been so persistent on this.

Hint: Opinions are not evidence. And no could have/should have (Could have/should have can be said for anyone and I can make plenty of people look like the GOAT with these excuses).

You know what? I am gonna give you a nice little place to start with if you don't know where to begin:

Wade (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html) VS Pippen (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).

MTar786
05-21-2013, 08:05 AM
russel way to high, dirk too high,

robinson and wade too low

Jarvo
05-21-2013, 09:47 AM
Iverson should be higher.

alexander_37
05-21-2013, 09:49 AM
Hakeem at 10 :pity:

Swashcuff
05-21-2013, 10:12 AM
For all those saying Russell is too high did you take time to read the argument? If you go to real g m comparison forum and read their posts in his favor you see where exactly they are coming from. I do agree he's high but there are solid arguments in his favor.

Swashcuff
05-21-2013, 10:15 AM
Why is Drexler, Reed, Frazier, Pippen, Mikan, Barry all over Nash?

Nash is a 2 time MVP, that first performed the 7SSOL offense to perfection. The guy single handedly revived a sorry, pathetic franchise. Nash was never a role player during his prime.

And Thomas Robinson is far too long as well. Guy was an amazing baller and deserves to be top 20 easily.

Do your homework on Frazier and Barry, Mikan should be excluded but all those players you mentioned are all by far better two way players than Nash. It's David not Thomas.

dee279
05-21-2013, 10:33 AM
I can just only hope that Wade gets healthy, and no more knee/leg injuries affect him through out his career.

I agree.

Jayrich28
05-21-2013, 10:39 AM
Where's Reggie?
60. Miller
69. Mcgrady

And remember guys as these rankings continue to get updated players will move up or down the rankings as more current players establish their own legacies. There is no slight on reggie, worthy, or any other guy that doesnt remain in the top fifty.

Longhornfan1234
05-21-2013, 12:03 PM
Alot different than psd rankings.

This sucks I can't add attachment.

1. Mj
2.kareem
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. duncan
10. Hakeem
11. Lbj
12. Moses
13. Big O
14. Jerry west
15. Dr. j
16. Kg
17. Malone
18.barkley
19. Baylor
20. Pettit
21. Havlicek
22. Dirk
23. Mikan
24. Robinson
25. Isiah
26. Cousy
27. Pippen
28. Barry
29. Wade
30. Willis reed
31. Ewing
32. Stockton
33. Frazier
34. Drexler
35. Nash
36. Iverson
37. Cowens
38. Schayes
39. Walton
40. Mchale
41. Kidd
42. Unseld
43. Payton
44. Hayes
45. Arizin
46. Mcadoo
47. Nique
48. Gervin
49. Pierce
50. Rodman

And so forth

Wade doesn't have a case over Drexler. Drexler carried scrub teams multiple teams to the finals. Wilt is too low.


Kareem is the most overrated player of all-time. He won one ring as the man in the weakest era in league's history(70s). He also missed the playoffs twice and lost to inferior teams in the first round in the weakest era. He was the third best player in 87 and 88 championship seasons. MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Shaq, and Russell should be ranked over him.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-21-2013, 12:05 PM
kobe over duncan? questionable.

Kobe is top 6 all time. LBJ is somewhere in the 13-18 range.

Hellcrooner
05-21-2013, 12:13 PM
#1 NBA Player Of All-Time
38- Michael Jordan
3- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2- Wilt Chamberlain
2- Bill Russell
1- Hakeem Olajuwon
1- Magic Johnson

#2 NBA Player Of All-Time
40- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
17- Bill Russell
11- Magic Johnson
10- Wilt Chamberlain
4- Larry Bird
3- Kobe Bryant
1- Lebron James
1- Hakeem Olajuwon

#3 NBA Player Of All-Time
37- Bill Russell
27- Magic Johnson
14- Wilt Chamberlain
2- Larry Bird
1- Kobe Bryant

#4 NBA Player Of All-Time
36- Magic Johnson
28- Wilt Chamberlain
4- Larry Bird
2- Shaquille O'Neal

#5 NBA Player Of All-Time
32- Larry Bird
29- Wilt Chamberlain
3- Kobe Bryant
2- Shaquille O'Neal
1- Julius Erving
1- Lebron James

#6 NBA Player Of All-Time
43- Wilt Chamberlain
12- Shaquille O'Neal
3- Tim Duncan
2- Hakeem Olajuwon

#7 NBA Player Of All-Time
49- Shaquille O'Neal
10- Tim Duncan
9- Kobe Bryant
7- Hakeem Olajuwon
2- Oscar Robertson

#8 NBA Player Of All-Time
53- Kobe Bryant
45- Tim Duncan
25- Hakeem Olajuwon
1- Moses Malone

#9 NBA Player Of All-Time
41- Tim Duncan
17- Hakeem Olajuwon
2- Moses Malone
2- Oscar Robertson
1- Elgin Baylor

#10 NBA Player Of All-Time
34- Hakeem Olajuwon
4- Oscar Robertson
2- Moses Malone
1- Lebron James
1- Jerry West

#11 NBA Player Of All-Time
37- Lebron James
16- Jerry West
11- Oscar Robertson
2- Isiah Thomas
1- David Robinson
1- Charles Barkley
1- Elgin Baylor

#12 NBA Player Of All-Time
16- Moses Malone
14- Jerry West
10- Oscar Robertson
2- Isiah Thomas
1- Julius Erving
1- Karl Malone
1- Dwyane Wade
1- Charles Barkley

#13 NBA Player Of All-Time
23- Oscar Robertson
19- Jerry West
5- Julius Erving
3- Isiah Thomas
1- Elgin Baylor
1- George Mikan
1- Kevin Garnett
1- Charles Barkley

#14 NBA Player Of All-Time
26- Jerry West
3- Julius Erving
1- Charles Barkley
1- Isiah Thomas

#15 NBA Player Of All-Time
22- Julius Erving
4- Charles Barkley
4- Kevin Garnett
4- George Mikan
3- Elgin Baylor
2- Isiah Thomas
1- Karl Malone
1- David Robinson
1- Dirk Nowitzki

#16 NBA Player Of All-Time
15- Kevin Garnett
13- Karl Malone
8- Charles Barkley
7- Elgin Baylor
5- Dirk Nowitzki
5- Isiah Thomas
2- David Robinson
2- George Mikan
2- Scottie Pippen
1- John Havlicek
1- Bob Pettit

#17 NBA Player Of All-Time
12- Karl Malone
10- Charles Barkley
9- Elgin Baylor
7- Dirk Nowitzki
6- Isiah Thomas
2- Scottie Pippen
1- David Robinson
1- Rick Barry
1- John Havlicek

#18 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Charles Barkley
10- Elgin Baylor
4- Bob Pettit
4- Isiah Thomas
2- George Mikan
2- Dirk Nowitzki
1- David Robinson
1- Scottie Pippen
1- John Havlicek

#19 NBA Player Of All-Time
12- Elgin Baylor
5- Dirk Nowtzki
3- Bob Pettit
2- Isiah Thomas
2- David Robinson
1- George Mikan
1- Dwyane Wade
1- John Havlicek
1- Scottie Pippen

#20 NBA Player Of All-Time
12- Bob Pettit
11- Dirk Nowitzki
8- John Havlicek
5- David Robinson
5- Isiah Thomas
2- George Mikan
1- Scottie pippen
1- Rick Barry

#21 NBA Player Of All-Time
13- John Havlicek
7- Isiah Thomas
6- Dirk Nowitzki
6- David Robinson
4- George Mikan
1- Dwyane Wade
1- Rick Barry
1- Scottie Pippen

#22 NBA Player Of All-Time
18- Dirk Nowitzki
10- George Mikan
7- Isiah Thomas
4- David Robinson
1- Bob Cousy
1- Scottie Pippen
1- Sam Jones
1- Pete Maravich

#23 NBA Player Of All-Time
15- George Mikan
12- Isiah Thomas
7- David Robinson
1- Scottie Pippen
1- Dwyane Wade

#24 NBA Player Of All-Time
13- David Robinson
12- Isiah Thomas
4- Bob Cousy
4- Rick Barry
4- Dwyane Wade
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Scottie Pippen

#25 NBA Player Of All-Time
15- Isiah Thomas
7- Scottie Pippen
5- Dwyane Wade
2- Bob Cousy
2- Rick Barry
1- Dave Cowens

#26 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Bob Cousy
9- Dwyane Wade
6- Rick Barry
5- Scottie Pippen
4- Patrick Ewing
2- John Stockton
2- Allen Iverson
1- Steve Nash

#27 NBA Player Of All-Time
15- Scottie Pippen
12- Rick Barry
5- Dwyane Wade
3- Patrick Ewing
2- Allen Iverson
1- Clyde Drexler

#28 NBA Player Of All-Time
21- Rick Barry
10- Dwyane Wade
1- Reggie Miller

#29 NBA Player Of All-Time
18- Dwyane Wade
7- John Stockton
5- Willis Reed
2- Walt Frazier
1- Steve Nash
1- Patrick Ewing
1- Allen Iverson
1- Reggie Miller
1- Elvin Hayes

#30 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Willis Reed
9- John Stockton
5- Patrick Ewing
4- Walt Frazier
2- Steve Nash
2- Clyde Drexler
1- Allen Iverson
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Gary Payton

#31 NBA Player Of All-Time
16- Patrick Ewing
14- John Stockton
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Walt Frazier
1- Pete Maravich
1- Steve Nash
1- Dave Cowens
1- Bill Walton

#32 NBA Player Of All-Time
17- John Stockton
7- Walt Frazier
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Bill Walton

#33 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Walt Frazier
3- Clyde Drexler
3- Dolph Schayes
2- Elvin Hayes
1- Nate Thurmond
1- Bill Walton
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Pete Maravich

#34 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
5- Steve Nash
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Gary Payton

#35 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Steve Nash
7- Allen Iverson
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton
1- Kevin McHale

#36 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Allen Iverson
7- Bill Walton
6- Dave Cowens
3- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
1- Dwight Howard
1- James Worthy
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Kevin Mchale
1- Gary Payton
1- Jason Kidd

#37 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Dave Cowens
5- Bill Walton
3- Dolph Schayes
2- Gary Payton
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Pete Maravich
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- Dennis Rodman
1- James Worthy
1- Kevin McHale
1- Tracy McGrady

#38 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Dolph Schayes
7- Gary Payton
6- Kevin McHale
4- Bill Walton
2- Jason Kidd
2- Dennis Rodman
1- Elvin Hayes
1- George Gervin

#39 NBA Player Of All-Time
14- Bill Walton
5- Kevin McHale
2- Jason Kidd
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Chris Paul
1- Pete Maravich
1- George Gervin

#40 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Kevin McHale
4- Jason Kidd
2- Gary Payton
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- George Gervin

#41 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Jason Kidd
7- Wes Unseld
2- Paul Pierce
2- Elvin Hayes
2- George Gervin
2- Gary Payton
1- Gail Goodrich
1- Paul Arizin
1- Dennis Rodman

#42 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Wes Unseld
4- Gary Payton
2- Paul Pierce
1- Paul Arizin
1- Nate Thurmond
1- George Gervin
1- Elvin Hayes

#43 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Gary Payton
5- Elvin Hayes
3- Paul Pierce
2- Dennis Rodman
2- Paul Arizin
1- Sam Jones
1- George Gervin
1- Nate Thurmond

#44 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Elvin Hayes
4- Dennis Rodman
2- Paul Pierce
2- Bob McAdoo
2- Paul Arizin
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Dwight Howard
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- George Gervin
1- Nate Thurmond

#45 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Paul Arizin
3- Bob McAdoo
2- Dennis Rodman
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Reggie Miller
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- Chris Paul

#46 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Bob McAdoo
5- Dominique Wilkins
3- Paul Pierce
3- Dennis Rodman
2- Nate Thurmond
2- George Gervin
1- Sam Jones
1- Dwight Howard

#47 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Dominique Wilkins
6- Dwight Howard
3- Paul Pierce
2- George Gervin

#48 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- George Gervin
3- James Worthy
3- Paul Pierce
3- Dennis Rodman
2- Dwight Howard
2- Chris Paul
1- Nate Thurmond

#49 NBA Player Of All-Time
13- Paul Pierce
11- Dennis Rodman
3- James Worthy
3- Nate Thurmond
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Chris Paul

#50 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Dennis Rodman
5- James Worthy
4- Nate Thurmond
2- Reggie Miller
2- Ray Allen
2- Dwight Howard
1- Chris Paul
1- Hal Greer
1- Pau Gasol

#51 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Dwight Howard
3- Chris Paul
3- Nate Thurmond
3- James Worthy
2- Sam Jones
2- Ray Allen
1- Pau Gasol
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Hal Greer
1- Reggie Miller

#52 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- James Worthy
4- Nate Thurmond
3- Sam Jones
2- Ray Allen
2- Tracy McGrady
1- Pete Maravich
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Jerry Lucas
1- Hal Greer
1- Reggie Miller

#53 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Nate Thurmond
6- Ray Allen
2- Reggie Miller
2- Sam Jones
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Kevin Durant

#54 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Ray Allen
6- Reggie Miller
2- Pau Gasol
2- Sam Jones
2- Kevin Durant
2- Tiny Archibald
1- Hal Greer

#55 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Sam Jones
4- Kevin Durant
3- Reggie Miller
2- Robert Parish
1- Pau Gasol
1- Artis Gimore
1- Vince Carter
1- Tiny Archibald
1- Tracy McGrady
1- Hal Greer

#56 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Kevin Durant
3- Reggie Miller
2- Hal Greer
1- Tiny Archibald
1- Robert Parish
1- Pete Maravich
1- Pau Gasol
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Jerry Lucas
1- Derrick Rose

#57 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Tiny Archibald
3- Chris Paul
2- Tracy McGrady
2- Pete Maravich
1- Robert Parish
1- Jerry Lucas
1- Reggie Miller
1- Hal Greer
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Artis Gimore

#58 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Chris Paul
4- Tracy McGrady
3- Reggie Miller
2- Billy Cunningham
1- Pete Maravich
1- Hal Greer
1- Artis Gimore
1- Carmelo Anthony

#59 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Billy Cunningham
4- Reggie Miller
3- Tracy McGrady
2- Carmelo Anthony
1- Jerry Lucas
1- Pete Maravich
1- Hal Greer
1- Artis Gimore
1- Vince Carter
1- Peja Stojakovic

#60 NBA Player Of All-Time
8- Reggie Miller
6- Jerry Lucas
5- Pau Gasol
3- Tracy McGrady
2- Hal Greer
1- Pete Maravich
1- Carmelo Anthony

#61 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Jerry Lucas
6- Pau Gasol
6- Tracy McGrady
3- Pete Maravich
1- Hal Greer
1- Alonzo Mourning
1- Chris Webber
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Tony Parker

#62 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Hal Greer
3- Pau Gasol
3- Tracy McGrady
2- Dennis Johnson
2- Alonzo Mourning
2- Manu Ginobili
1- Pete Maravich
1- Peja Stojakovic
1- Tony Parker

#63 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Pete Maravich
4- Pau Gasol
4- Tracy McGrady
3- Dennis Johnson
1- David Thompson
1- Robert Parish
1- Manu Ginobili
1- Tony Parker
1- Ben Wallace
1- Neil Johnston

#64 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Pau Gasol
4- Tracy McGrady
4- Dennis Johnson
2- Robert Parish
1- Tony Parker
1- Chris Webber
1- Artis Gimore
1- Alex English
1- Derrick Rose

#65 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Dennis Johnson
5- Tracy McGrady
1- Chris Webber
1- Alonzo Mourning
1- Dave DeBusschere
1- Earl Monroe
1- Artis Gimore
1- Peja Stojakovic
1- Tony Parker

#66 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Dave DeBusschere
5- Tracy McGrady
1- Artis Gimore
1- Robert Parish
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Tony Parker

#67 NBA Player Of All-Time
8- Artis Gimore
7- Tracy McGrady
3- Robert Parish
3- Tony Parker
1- Arvydas Sabonis
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Alex English
1- Bernard King
1- Neil Johnston
1- Vlade Divac

#68 NBA Player Of All-Time
13- Robert Parish
4- Tracy McGrady
1- Tony Parker
1- Bernard King
1- Vince Carter
1- Derrick Rose

#69 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Tracy McGrady
4- Alonzo Mourning
3- Bernard King
2- Bob Lanier
2- Joe Dumars
1- Manu Ginobili
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Chris Webber
1- Tony Parker
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Alex English

#70 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Bernard King
6- Alonzo Mourning
3- Alex English
2- Joe Dumars
1- Bill Sharman
1- Arvydas Sabonis
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Bob Lanier
1- Sidney Moncrief
1- Adrain Dantley
1- Tony Parker
1- Dikembe Mutombo

#71 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Joe Dumars
3- Alex English
2- Mitch Richmond
1- Dave Bing
1- Alonzo Mourning
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Bob Lanier
1- Earl Monroe
1- David Thompson
1- Tony Parker

#72 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Alex English
3- Bob Lanier
2- Alonzo Mourning
1- Dave Bing
1- Ben Wallace
1- Manu Ginobili
1- Chris Bosh
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- David Thompson
1- Tony Parker
1- Grant Hill
1- Bill Sharman

#73 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Bob Lanier
1- Alonzo Mourning
1- Dave Bing
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Ben Wallace
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Gus Williams
1- Tony Parker

#74 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Alonzo Mourning
3- Dave Bing
1- Ben Wallace
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Tony Parker
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Chris Webber
1- Blake Griffin

#75 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Dave Bing
2- Mitch Richmond
2- Dikembe Mutombo
2- Tony Parker
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Ben Wallace
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Chris Webber
1- Blake Griffin
1- Sidney Moncrief
1- Vince Carter

#76 NBA Player Of All-Time
5 - Earl Monroe
4- Chris Webber
3- Tony Parker
1- Gail Goodrich
1- David Thompson
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Ben Wallace
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Metta World Peace
1- Spencer Haywood

#77 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Chris Webber
2- Tony Parker
2- David Thompson
1- Gail Goodrich
1- Sidney Moncrief
1- Spencer Haywood

#78 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Sidney Moncrief
3- Gail Goodrich
2- Bill Sharman
2- David Thompson
2- Tony Parker
1- Ben Wallace
1- Mitch Richmond

#79 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Bill Sharman
5- Tony Parker
1- David Thompson
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Grant Hill
1- Chris Bosh

#80 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Tony Parker
2- Spencer Haywood
2- David Thompson
2- Grant Hill
1- Adrian Dantley
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Vince Carter
1- Neil Johnston
1- Chris Mullin

#81 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Adrian Dantley
2- Kevin Johnson
2- Ben Wallace
2- Mitch Richmond
1- Terry Cummings
1- David Thompson
1- Grant Hill
1- Neil Johnston
1- Chris Mullin

#82 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Chris Mullin
2- Ben Wallace
2- Grant Hill
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Neil Johnston
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Peja Stojakovic
1- Chris Bosh
1- Carmelo Anthony

#83 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Ben Wallace
4- Neil Johnston
3- David Thompson
2- Mitch Richmond
2- Dikembe Mutombo
2- Carmelo Anthony
1- Chet Walker
1- Grant Hill
1- Peja Stojakovic

#84 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Neil Johnston
2- David Thompson
2- Carmelo Anthony
1- Jo Jo White
1- Gail Goodrich

#85 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- David Thompson
3- Gail Goodrich
3- Grant Hill
3- Carmelo Anthony
2- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Vince Carter
1- Detlef Schrempf
1- Tim Hardaway
1- Manu Ginobili

#86 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Grant Hill
5- Gail Goodrich
2- Vince Carter
2- Lenny Wilkens
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Mitch Richmond

#87 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Gail Goodrich
4- Vince Carter
1- Lenny Wilkens
1- Earl Lloyd
1- Jamaal Wilkes
1- Mitch Richmond
1- Carmelo Anthony

#88 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Spencer Haywood
3- Vince Carter
3- Lenny Wilkens
2- Mitch Richmond
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Jamaal Wilkes
1- Bob Love
1- Maurice Stokes
1- Dikembe Mutombo
1- Peja Stojakovic

#89 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Dikembe Mutombo
3- Vince Carter
3- Mitch Richmond
1- Bob Love
1- Carmelo Anthony
1- Maurice Stokes

#90 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Vince Carter
4- Mitch Richmond
3- Carmelo Anthony
1- Andrew Toney
1- Maurice Stokes
1- Tom Heinsohn
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Bob Dandridge
1- Lenny Wilkens

#91 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Carmelo Anthony
5- Mitch Richmond
2- Tom Heinsohn
2- Lenny Wilkens
1- Andrew Toney
1- Chet Walker
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Tim Hardaway
1- Bob Dandridge
1- Kevin Johnson

#92 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Lenny Wilkens
2- Mitch Richmond
2- Derrick Rose
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Tom Chambers


#93 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Kevin Johnson
4- Mitch Richmond
4- Tom Heinsohn
1- Tom Chambers
1- Gus Johnson
1- Bob Dandridge

#94 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Mitch Richmond
2- Tom Heinsohn
2- Bob Dandridge
1- Manu Ginobili
1- Gus Johnson

#95 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Tom Heinsohn
2- Manu Ginobili
1- Bob Dandridge
1- Tim Hardaway
1- Gus Johnson
1- Tom Chambers

#96 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Tim Hardaway
3- Manu Ginobili
2- Jamaal Wilkes
2- Gus Johnson
2- Connie Hawkins
1- Bob Dandridge
1- Andrew Toney
1- Penny Hardaway
1- Walt Bellamy
1- Deron Williams

#97 NBA Player Of All-Time
5- Connie Hawkins
3- Manu Ginobili
2- Penny Hardaway
2- Walt Bellamy
1- Deron Williams
1- Bob Dandridge
1- Chris Bosh
1- Amare Stoudemire
1- Tom Chambers
1- Yao Ming

#98 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Bob Dandridge
3- Joe Fulks
2- Penny Hardaway
2- Walt Bellamy
1- Mark Aguirre
1- Manu Ginobili
1- Tom Chambers
1- Chris Bosh
1- Steve Francis
1- Gus Johnson
1- Rasheed Wallace

#99 NBA Player Of All-Time
8- Walt Bellamy
4- Rasheed Wallace
2- Penny Hardaway
2- Joe Fulks
1- Brad Daugherty
1- Bobby Jones

#100 NBA Player Of All-Time
4- Rasheed Wallace
3- Penny Hardaway
3- Bobby Jones
2- Joe Fulks
1- Tom Gugliotta
1- Jack Twyman
1- Peja Stojakovic
1- Gus Johnson
1- Chris Bosh
1- Larry Johnson

justinnum1
05-21-2013, 12:27 PM
Kobe is top 6 all time. LBJ is somewhere in the 13-18 range.

Top 9 for me.

todu82
05-21-2013, 01:09 PM
My top 10 all-time

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Wilt
4) Magic
5) Bill Russell
6) Magic
7) Larry Bird
8) Shaq
9) Kobe
10) Hakeem

I have Lebron just outside the top 10, probably #11 or #12 all time.

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-21-2013, 01:16 PM
Top 9 for me.

You're spot on... If you turn that 9 upside down ;)

kdspurman
05-21-2013, 03:32 PM
My top 10 all-time

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Wilt
4) Magic
5) Bill Russell
6) Magic
7) Larry Bird
8) Shaq
9) Kobe
10) Hakeem

I have Lebron just outside the top 10, probably #11 or #12 all time.

Where do you rank Duncan?

JordansBulls
05-21-2013, 03:36 PM
My top 10 all-time

1) Jordan
2) Kareem
3) Wilt
4) Magic
5) Bill Russell
6) Magic
7) Larry Bird
8) Shaq
9) Kobe
10) Hakeem

I have Lebron just outside the top 10, probably #11 or #12 all time.

Why Magic for 4th and 6th?

Hawkeye15
05-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Why Magic for 4th and 6th?

He's that good

Greet
05-21-2013, 03:47 PM
35. Nash
36. Iverson
37. Cowens
38. Schayes
39. Walton
40. Mchale
41. Kidd

This kind of annoys me

blahblahyoutoo
05-21-2013, 03:49 PM
KG is way too high.

OceanSpray
05-21-2013, 03:54 PM
Dirk ahead of Wade? Dirk is way too high.

Longhornfan1234
05-21-2013, 03:58 PM
]Dirk ahead of Wade?[/B] Dirk is way too high.

Make a case. I want a good laugh.

OceanSpray
05-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Make a case. I want a good laugh.

Lmao, Dirk isn't better than Wade. You need to get your head checked if you think that's a serious debate.

5ass
05-21-2013, 04:01 PM
Kobe is top 6 all time. LBJ is somewhere in the 13-18 range.

lmao ur so obsessed with Lebron. The guy was questioning how Kobe is over Duncan and this is ur reply?
Give me Hakeem and Duncan over Kobe any day.

Bruno
05-21-2013, 04:01 PM
their top ten is almost identical to the PSD top ten from 2011.

LBJ hasn't accumulated enough to pass Moses as of today, imo.

kdspurman
05-21-2013, 04:05 PM
Why Magic for 4th and 6th?

Ha didn't even catch that. I asked where he ranked Timmy, maybe he was meant for that 6th spot (?) Not sure

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-21-2013, 04:13 PM
lmao ur so obsessed with Lebron. The guy was questioning how Kobe is over Duncan and this is ur reply?
Give me Hakeem and Duncan over Kobe any day.

Well that's your opinion, anything else?

Jayrich28
05-21-2013, 07:20 PM
their top ten is almost identical to the PSD top ten from 2011.

LBJ hasn't accumulated enough to pass Moses as of today, imo.
On this list he is above moses.

NYKalltheway
05-22-2013, 01:00 AM
this list is even worse than the PSD one

smith&wesson
05-22-2013, 01:27 AM
1. Mj
2.lebron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Kobe
6. Wilt
7. Shaq
8. bird
9. Duncan
10. Hakeem

When its all set and done

BklynKnicks3
05-22-2013, 09:56 AM
Melo 91 lol. he is between 50-60. Russell way to high this looks like its based 75% on rings

JordansBulls
05-22-2013, 11:44 AM
Melo 91 lol. he is between 50-60. Russell way to high this looks like its based 75% on rings

yeah Melo at 91 is too low for a guy who has played 10 seasons.

Chronz
05-22-2013, 12:32 PM
yeah Melo at 91 is too low for a guy who has played 10 seasons.

Why?

JordansBulls
05-22-2013, 12:43 PM
Why?

You think Tmac should be higher?

Chronz
05-22-2013, 12:48 PM
You think Tmac should be higher?
Certainly far higher than Melo. Melo in the 90's sounds about right.

JordansBulls
05-22-2013, 01:22 PM
Certainly far higher than Melo. Melo in the 90's sounds about right.

Based on prime or career? Do you think Tmac had a better career than Melo right now?

Chronz
05-22-2013, 01:36 PM
Based on prime or career? Do you think Tmac had a better career than Melo right now?

Yes.... to all of it.

But this isn't about Tmac, its about Melo vs 90 players in NBA history.

BklynKnicks3
05-22-2013, 04:45 PM
These list are honestly stupid they should just rank players every 20 years or so. Game si so much more advanced a guy like a bob cousy probably wouldnt even make the nba today. Alot of others as well.

naps
05-22-2013, 08:22 PM
These list are honestly stupid they should just rank players every 20 years or so. Game si so much more advanced a guy like a bob cousy probably wouldnt even make the nba today. Alot of others as well.

LOL. Nothing you said helped Melo rank higher, sadly.

JordansBulls
05-23-2013, 09:44 AM
Yes.... to all of it.

But this isn't about Tmac, its about Melo vs 90 players in NBA history.

you think there are 90 players better than Melo? I mean hell Rodman at 50 is a disgrace. Good player yes, but to be that high when you are a 3rd pawn and not good enough to probably even get a team to the playoffs where you are clearly the best player doesn't merit a top 50 all time rating.

Jayrich28
05-23-2013, 11:44 AM
you think there are 90 players better than Melo? I mean hell Rodman at 50 is a disgrace. Good player yes, but to be that high when you are a 3rd pawn and not good enough to probably even get a team to the playoffs where you are clearly the best player doesn't merit a top 50 all time rating.

Actually rodman was probably the best at dominating the game without scoring a single point. Plus pretty much every team he played for they improved tremendously. King rebound and a handful of rings scoring aint everything and the crazy thing is he was one in college.

Swashcuff
05-23-2013, 11:52 AM
Actually rodman was probably the best at dominating the game without scoring a single point. Plus pretty much every team he played for they improved tremendously. King rebound and a handful of rings scoring aint everything and the crazy thing is he was one in college.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa that was unquestionably Bill Russell without a shadow of a doubt then probably Bill Walton IMO. But without scoring there is no better player in the history of the game than Bill Russell.

Oh and JB hates Pippen and Rodman because he believes it makes Jordan look bad that he had such great teammates.

Jayrich28
05-23-2013, 12:07 PM
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa that was unquestionably Bill Russell without a shadow of a doubt then probably Bill Walton IMO. But without scoring there is no better player in the history of the game than Bill Russell.

Oh and JB hates Pippen and Rodman because he believes it makes Jordan look bad that he had such great teammates.
Lol , I knew someone would respond with russell but I consider russell a more willing scorer. Walton idk its debatable.

Swashcuff
05-23-2013, 12:16 PM
Lol , I knew someone would respond with russell but I consider russell a more willing scorer. Walton idk its debatable.

Thing is while being as good as a man defender as Rodman as versatile he was better overall defensively, almost as good a rebounder, hands down the best outlet passer to ever play the game, overall a better passer than Rodman and did all the things offensively that most players generally don't get credited for (setting screens, moving without the basketball getting good offensive positioning, hockey assists, etc) and also it didn't hurt that a threat to score in more ways than Rodman was so he demanded more defensive attention with the ball in his hands.

I really can't see anyone being argument as being more impactful without scoring the basketball than Russell.

Chronz
05-23-2013, 01:38 PM
you think there are 90 players better than Melo?
70-80-90-100, you can argue him somewhere Im sure but whatever the case may be, its by no means a slight to have Melo down there.


I mean hell Rodman at 50 is a disgrace.
I wouldn't say disgrace.


Good player yes, but to be that high when you are a 3rd pawn and not good enough to probably even get a team to the playoffs where you are clearly the best player doesn't merit a top 50 all time rating.
I dont agree with it but disgrace? People value different things.

Ive seen it argued that Rodman was nearly as valuable to the Bulls as a Pippen was, or as Isiah/Dumars were to the Pistons etc... The argument being that having a guy as dominant as Rodman at what he did WITHOUT the ball can be as great of a competitive advantage to a team as any. There are only so many touches to go around, having a Rodman who doesn't require any to dominate is a pretty great luxury. Not many teams in history are able to find a 3rd man who can leave such a drastic imprint on the game. You say he couldnt get a team to the playoffs but he has a proven track record of making teams he joins MEASURABLY better. In terms of influencing the bottom line aka winning%, I dont see what you can hold against Rodman.

Jayrich28
05-23-2013, 01:58 PM
Thing is while being as good as a man defender as Rodman as versatile he was better overall defensively, almost as good a rebounder, hands down the best outlet passer to ever play the game, overall a better passer than Rodman and did all the things offensively that most players generally don't get credited for (setting screens, moving without the basketball getting good offensive positioning, hockey assists, etc) and also it didn't hurt that a threat to score in more ways than Rodman was so he demanded more defensive attention with the ball in his hands.

I really can't see anyone being argument as being more impactful without scoring the basketball than Russell.
You have a good point. No arguement here.

Jayrich28
05-23-2013, 01:59 PM
70-80-90-100, you can argue him somewhere Im sure but whatever the case may be, its by no means a slight to have Melo down there.


I wouldn't say disgrace.


I dont agree with it but disgrace? People value different things.

Ive seen it argued that Rodman was nearly as valuable to the Bulls as a Pippen was, or as Isiah/Dumars were to the Pistons etc... The argument being that having a guy as dominant as Rodman at what he did WITHOUT the ball can be as great of a competitive advantage to a team as any. There are only so many touches to go around, having a Rodman who doesn't require any to dominate is a pretty great luxury. Not many teams in history are able to find a 3rd man who can leave such a drastic imprint on the game. You say he couldnt get a team to the playoffs but he has a proven track record of making teams he joins MEASURABLY better. In terms of influencing the bottom line aka winning%, I dont see what you can hold against Rodman.

Speaking truth.