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sunsfan88
05-18-2013, 05:20 PM
The Oklahoma City Thunder are not considering using the amnesty clause on Kendrick Perkins.

"We just haven't considered using the provision. ... We think Perk has a lot of value to our team," Sam Presti said Saturday.

Perkins is set to make about $18 million over the next two seasons.

https://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry/status/335791313821782016

LOL. Come on Presti, the "leadership" and "veteran presence" that Perkins brings to the table isn't worth the offensive AND defensive liability he is plus the $18 million he's making over the next 2 years. Use that money to go get someone like Ellis, Igoudala or someone else. Nick Collison can hold down the center position just fine.

ManRam
05-18-2013, 05:31 PM
i forget if amnestied players count towards the luxury. ii'm pretty certain they don't.

the only way it helps them financially to get under the tax threshold. it's not gonna help them in free agency at all.

he sucks, but financially it's not too significant of a decision

spreadeagle
05-18-2013, 05:32 PM
Id trade Bargnani and something for Perkins and a pick

Tony_Starks
05-18-2013, 06:03 PM
A lot of people don't understand how amnesty works. It's basically only good for luxury tax purposes. But it's not like you can just amnesty that player and give that money to someone else.

sunsfan88
05-18-2013, 06:16 PM
A lot of people don't understand how amnesty works. It's basically only good for luxury tax purposes. But it's not like you can just amnesty that player and give that money to someone else.

It doesn't clear up cap space to sign someone else?

Didn't teams like the Knicks, Warriors etc use the amnesty to use that money to sign Tyson Chandler (NY) and offer a contract to DeAndre Jordan (GSW)

RealLiveBear
05-18-2013, 06:26 PM
Trust me, they're considering it. What else is a front office going to say right after a playoff loss while all the guys are vulnerable. Not to mention even if they're not thinking of it yet, it's a long offseason. They will be.

MrfadeawayJB
05-18-2013, 06:36 PM
Foolish if they don't at least look into it

Iron24th
05-18-2013, 06:43 PM
^ agree

Baller1
05-18-2013, 06:50 PM
Hahahaha.

hugepatsfan
05-18-2013, 06:51 PM
It doesn't clear up cap space to sign someone else?

Didn't teams like the Knicks, Warriors etc use the amnesty to use that money to sign Tyson Chandler (NY) and offer a contract to DeAndre Jordan (GSW)

OKC is far enough over the cap that it doesn't matter. They're at 66 mil in salaries for next year. Perk's is about 8.5. Take away his salary and they're still over the cap. And when you amnesty a player you still have to pay him, even though it doesn't count for calculating your team salary to determine cap space or luxury tax. So they can amnesty him and pay him to play elsewhere or not amnesty him and pay him to play for them. At this point amnestying doesn't make sense until they get high enough where the luxury tax is a factor.

EL_MACHETE
05-18-2013, 07:27 PM
Seriously?? I'm a die hard Oklahoma fan but Kendrick has to go..

topdog
05-18-2013, 07:36 PM
OKC is far enough over the cap that it doesn't matter. They're at 66 mil in salaries for next year. Perk's is about 8.5. Take away his salary and they're still over the cap. And when you amnesty a player you still have to pay him, even though it doesn't count for calculating your team salary to determine cap space or luxury tax. So they can amnesty him and pay him to play elsewhere or not amnesty him and pay him to play for them. At this point amnestying doesn't make sense until they get high enough where the luxury tax is a factor.

Which really brings us back to the 2nd guessing of the Harden trade and whether they should have simply paid him and dealt with finances/trades this summer. Where the amnesty could have helped was in being able to retain the valuable asset of Harden and avoid the tax by cutting Perkins.

justinnum1
05-18-2013, 07:44 PM
Same team that traded james harden for kevin martin, right?

Not surprised.

shep33
05-18-2013, 08:07 PM
Well that's just plain stupid.

TrueFan420
05-18-2013, 08:33 PM
It doesn't clear up cap space to sign someone else?

Didn't teams like the Knicks, Warriors etc use the amnesty to use that money to sign Tyson Chandler (NY) and offer a contract to DeAndre Jordan (GSW)


Warriors were already under the cap that extra space gave them chance to offer max. If their still over cap they can't add new player at same price

TheNumber37
05-18-2013, 08:43 PM
Perkins and a 1st for Humpries/Wallace and Marshon Brooks

JasonJohnHorn
05-18-2013, 09:29 PM
If they had an option in the wings... if Chris Kaman or somebody was coming over, sure... but right now he is the best option they have for center. He is a championship center who has been to the finals twice, so teams can win with him. Getting rid of him would leave a huge hole at center. If they did amnesty him they wouldn't have any cap space as a result and would have to hope to sign somebody to the league min. or MLE.

As it stands, keeping him is their best bet, besides, the season after next it will be an expiring contract and could work out for them in a trade scenario if another team is looking to dump a contract.

Carey
05-18-2013, 09:35 PM
Which really brings us back to the 2nd guessing of the Harden trade and whether they should have simply paid him and dealt with finances/trades this summer. Where the amnesty could have helped was in being able to retain the valuable asset of Harden and avoid the tax by cutting Perkins.

They felt what they got in the trade with Houston they couldnt have gotten later, Morey had acquired a ton of assets and the Thunder imo got a nice haul for Harden. When you can what's likely the #12 pick, the 32nd pick, Jeremy Lamb and a future first from Dallas i think you pull the trigger if it becomes obvious you werent gonna be able to work things out with him.

Hugepatsfan nailed it, even if you amnesty Perk we'd still be over the cap(well actually slightly under but not enough to make a difference as to who could realistically be a free agent target). Amnestying him going forward will solely depend on luxury tax implications and they arent at that point yet. It's probably doubtful he get's claimed and if he did the bid would be minimal meaning they'd be on the hook for the rest.

The fact that the Thunder offered Harden 55 million with Perk, KD, Russ and Westbrook on the books shows they arent opposed to go into the luxury tax to improve the team, Presti's stance on the amnesty clause didnt seem circumstantial.

He's gonna be paid going forward for 15 mins or so a game and all the intangibles, it's not ideal but if that's my problem amongst on of the best cores in basketball i can live. we just have to find a 4th big that can close games, finish in the paint, hit open shots, and hold their own on the defensive end and on the boards. That guys doesnt have to cost a substantial amount of money and there is a good shot that guy is the 12th pick in this draft.

sunsfan88
08-11-2013, 04:35 PM
If they had an option in the wings... if Chris Kaman or somebody was coming over, sure... but right now he is the best option they have for center. He is a championship center who has been to the finals twice, so teams can win with him. Getting rid of him would leave a huge hole at center. If they did amnesty him they wouldn't have any cap space as a result and would have to hope to sign somebody to the league min. or MLE.

As it stands, keeping him is their best bet, besides, the season after next it will be an expiring contract and could work out for them in a trade scenario if another team is looking to dump a contract.
Perkins isn't the same championship center he once was. He's been horrible since his surgery.

Even if it wasn't Kaman- Mozgov, Stiemsma, O'Neal, Asik, Birdman, Okafor are all better options than Perkins. All those players are either better than Perkins or aren't much worse than Perkins and they would come a lot cheaper than him.

bagwell368
08-11-2013, 04:52 PM
If they had an option in the wings... if Chris Kaman or somebody was coming over, sure... but right now he is the best option they have for center. He is a championship center who has been to the finals twice, so teams can win with him.

In no way is Perkins the same guy that went to two Finals. Ever since he hurt his knees he has sucked. He started going downhill a bit the year before. But a heavy Center that wrecks his knees at that age is never the same. His defensive radius is a 3rd of what it was in his prime (at best) and his hands haven't gotten any better with age either.


Getting rid of him would leave a huge hole at center.

By heft, not by quality.

Mr_Jones
08-11-2013, 05:10 PM
This never would have happened if they were still the Sonics.

Trueblue2
08-11-2013, 09:18 PM
Perkins isn't the same championship center he once was. He's been horrible since his surgery.

Even if it wasn't Kaman- Mozgov, Stiemsma, O'Neal, Asik, Birdman, Okafor are all better options than Perkins. All those players are either better than Perkins or aren't much worse than Perkins and they would come a lot cheaper than him.

But if you amnesty him youre still paying him, hes just playing on another team. Even if the players you mentioned came for the min OKC would still be paying more by amnestying perk and signing a new C.

All-In
08-11-2013, 10:30 PM
If they amnestied Perkins OKC would still have to pay him even though it doesn’t count against the cap…Even though Perkins is a liability they don’t want to pay him to play for someone else

ldawg
08-12-2013, 12:14 AM
they should cut this confused fool instead http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1734728-russell-westbrook-shows-off-latest-fashion-statement-at-teen-choice-awards?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national What is it? Some people try to hard to be outside the box. The only good i see is he he dont have to pull it up every two steps like a oxy. But this dude is confusing. 100% outside the box. raising a smart normal child in America nowadays is a challenge.

LAKobeBryant
08-12-2013, 12:18 AM
OKC FO is going piss durant off and watch him walk away in a few yrs......

cmellofan15
08-12-2013, 12:22 AM
it's because they're loyal to their players, duhhh!

:rimshot:

cmellofan15
08-12-2013, 12:24 AM
OKC FO is going piss durant off and watch him walk away in a few yrs......

Nice sig dude!

and yeah, I agree with that statement. outside of some good drafting early on, they've been pretty bad with their decisions since they traded Jeff Green.

TrueFan420
08-12-2013, 12:30 AM
OKC FO is going piss durant off and watch him walk away in a few yrs......

I dont think it will get to that. Once Perkins becomes an expiring I'm sure that they will be able to unload him.

Bishnoff
08-12-2013, 01:08 AM
OKC is far enough over the cap that it doesn't matter. They're at 66 mil in salaries for next year. Perk's is about 8.5. Take away his salary and they're still over the cap. And when you amnesty a player you still have to pay him, even though it doesn't count for calculating your team salary to determine cap space or luxury tax. So they can amnesty him and pay him to play elsewhere or not amnesty him and pay him to play for them. At this point amnestying doesn't make sense until they get high enough where the luxury tax is a factor.

This.

RollingWave
08-12-2013, 01:16 AM
I love how people nowadays just kinda assume expiring contracts have values and any random overpaid disaster players can be unloaded if they're expiring. never mind that GSW just GAVE away 2 first round pick AND a semi useful player to get Utah to take away their expire deals.

On the other hand, RAPM suggest Perkin's defense is really still kinda good, the problem is his offense is soooo bad that it completely negates all his defensive value and then some.

UPRock
08-12-2013, 01:24 AM
They have to be considering it, they probably said that to not see that angry face of Perkins all year.

TrueFan420
08-12-2013, 04:02 AM
I love how people nowadays just kinda assume expiring contracts have values and any random overpaid disaster players can be unloaded if they're expiring. never mind that GSW just GAVE away 2 first round pick AND a semi useful player to get Utah to take away their expire deals.

On the other hand, RAPM suggest Perkin's defense is really still kinda good, the problem is his offense is soooo bad that it completely negates all his defensive value and then some.i assumed they would have to include a draft pick as well. Should have said that tho. And remember the warriors didnt just move one they moved 23 million in expiring a that's a lot. Plus as you said Perkins still has some value.

sunsfan88
08-12-2013, 05:04 AM
But if you amnesty him youre still paying him, hes just playing on another team. Even if the players you mentioned came for the min OKC would still be paying more by amnestying perk and signing a new C.

Yea but those payments wouldn't affect their cap space like it is now.

TrueFan420
08-12-2013, 05:09 AM
Yea but those payments wouldn't affect their cap space like it is now.

But they wouldn't be under the cap so it wouldnt solve much

sunsfan88
08-12-2013, 05:14 AM
But they wouldn't be under the cap so it wouldnt solve much

They would pay less tax.

RollingWave
08-12-2013, 06:51 AM
it seems OKC is literally treating the 70m mark for total player spending (cap or other wise) as a hard cap, which kinda forces their hand.

Yeah, if your giving away a pick then someone probably take Perkins, don't know if that's a good idea though, unless Thabeet or Adams develops... which seems dubious (granted, Perkin's offense was so bad that Thabeet wasn't really a down grade.)

I think if OKC really isn't going to amnesty him, at least limit his minutes further.

All-In
08-12-2013, 11:17 AM
OKC FO is going piss durant off and watch him walk away in a few yrs......

Was that on last nights ep of breaking bad? Spoiler alert lol way to go

sunsfan88
08-12-2013, 06:54 PM
They have to be considering it, they probably said that to not see that angry face of Perkins all year.

Well they passed on the opportunity to amnesty him this off season.

Kevj77
08-13-2013, 03:57 AM
Yea but those payments wouldn't affect their cap space like it is now.When it comes to cap space only one thing matters. Will it get you under the cap or not. I haven't looked at their cap situation, but just because you amnesty a player doesn't mean you can use that money to sign anyone else.

It might not even help them at all to amnesty him at this point.

True Sports Fan
08-13-2013, 04:05 AM
Unless they can get an upgrade, no point. He can at least be helpful. If you think starting Thabeet/Collison/Orton is an improvement, then I don't know what to tell you. I also think Steven Adams needs another year or two at least until he's ready to start unless he shows crazy improvement.

True Sports Fan
08-13-2013, 04:09 AM
I love how people nowadays just kinda assume expiring contracts have values and any random overpaid disaster players can be unloaded if they're expiring. never mind that GSW just GAVE away 2 first round pick AND a semi useful player to get Utah to take away their expire deals.

On the other hand, RAPM suggest Perkin's defense is really still kinda good, the problem is his offense is soooo bad that it completely negates all his defensive value and then some.

Yeah, expiring contracts don't net too much value unless your taking back a helpful but overpaid player In return. Or of course that expiring contract is someone that will actually be useful to your team

sunsfan88
08-13-2013, 07:11 PM
When it comes to cap space only one thing matters. Will it get you under the cap or not. I haven't looked at their cap situation, but just because you amnesty a player doesn't mean you can use that money to sign anyone else.

It might not even help them at all to amnesty him at this point.
How does amnestying Perkins not get them under the cap?

Only Durant and Westbrook are making max deals. Then they have Ibaka making much less than the max.

LeBron, Wade and Bosh make much more than Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka do and yet Miami has made better FA signings than OKC has.

bleedprple&gold
08-13-2013, 10:18 PM
How does amnestying Perkins not get them under the cap?

Only Durant and Westbrook are making max deals. Then they have Ibaka making much less than the max.

LeBron, Wade and Bosh make much more than Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka do and yet Miami has made better FA signings than OKC has.

Durant: 17.8
Westbrook: 14.7
Ibaka: 12.4
Sefolosha: 3.9
Collison: 2.6
Lamb: 2.1
Adams: 2.0
Jackson: 1.3
Roberson: 1.1
Jones: 1.1

Add them up that puts them at $59 mil (over the cap) plus they have several more players on partially/non-guaranteed contracts.

Miami signs better players? All they've gotten this year is Oden. And Miami has shown willingness to use the mini-MLE to sign players, OKC won't use theirs because they are deathly afraid of the luxury tax.

TrueFan420
08-13-2013, 10:31 PM
They would pay less tax.

They also want to win a championship. Trading Perkins expiring for a player of value but on a longer deal is more important than them cutting him and saving money.

sunsfan88
08-14-2013, 02:53 AM
Durant: 17.8
Westbrook: 14.7
Ibaka: 12.4
Sefolosha: 3.9
Collison: 2.6
Lamb: 2.1
Adams: 2.0
Jackson: 1.3
Roberson: 1.1
Jones: 1.1

Add them up that puts them at $59 mil (over the cap) plus they have several more players on partially/non-guaranteed contracts.

Miami signs better players? All they've gotten this year is Oden. And Miami has shown willingness to use the mini-MLE to sign players, OKC won't use theirs because they are deathly afraid of the luxury tax.

I wasn't just talking about this year though. Over the past 3 years, Miami has gotten Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Chris Anderson, Eddie House, James Jones among others. That's way better than whatever trash OKC has signed over the same duration.