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DreamShaker
05-09-2013, 11:07 AM
When glory is to be had in the playoffs, the stars tend to get all the shine. But we all know one man can't do it all, and it is a team game. We know Lebron, Durant, Melo, Parker, Curry, and the rest as the stars of the show, but let us give some shine to the unsung heroes.

So who are the best and most impressive role players left in the playoffs, and what have they done to help their team get where they are?

Blitzbolt
05-09-2013, 11:10 AM
Homer pick Tony Allen.He gets to defend CP3 and KD and is averaging 7 rebounds 1.9 steals a game in the playoffs as a 2 guard.

BklynKnicks3
05-09-2013, 11:12 AM
battier

DreamShaker
05-09-2013, 11:16 AM
Hey, Allen is a great pick! It is so essential to be able to throw a guy like Allen at the superstar or the hot hand in a playoff series. I fully believe the Spurs were never the same after Bowen lost his mojo, and Allen is that type of defender. The rebounding is also huge, had no idea he was averaging 7 a game. He is such a scapper.

Hawkeye15
05-09-2013, 11:16 AM
Nate Robinson

koreancabbage
05-09-2013, 11:17 AM
obviously JIMMY BUTLER.

or Klay Thompson.

DreamShaker
05-09-2013, 11:19 AM
battier

I miss him on the Rockets. He is so smart and selfless on the court. It is rare that you see a former lottery pick so apathetic about stats and highlights. Dude just leaves it all out on the court, and does the little things to ensure his team has the best shot at victory.

tredigs
05-09-2013, 11:23 AM
obviously JIMMY BUTLER.

or Klay Thompson.

Klay's the #2 with D. Lee out, and our best perimeter defender. Can't really call him a role player. I'd nominate Harrison Barnes for the position though. Playing very solid defense himself along with hitting clutch threes at an efficient clip (last night was his first off night, really).

Jimmy Butler's a good choice.

DreamShaker
05-09-2013, 11:23 AM
Nate Robinson

It is crazy to think how close he was to really being out of the NBA. Nobody seemed to want him. But he found the perfect type of team to let him do his thing, whilst minimizing his weaknesses. To his credit, though, he has made some improvements.

LeperMessiah
05-09-2013, 11:32 AM
Nate Robinson

Bingo

MonroeFAN
05-09-2013, 11:45 AM
Nate is not a role player though in these playoffs. He's arguably Chicago's best player.

Klay is a #2 option.

IMO, no one has been as good as Tony Allen.

BK-TY
05-09-2013, 11:46 AM
Jimmy Butler, Nate Robinson, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Battier...

Does Mike Conley count as a role player?

Rivera
05-09-2013, 11:47 AM
Lebron

Superstar role

ewing
05-09-2013, 11:52 AM
Shump

BklynKnicks3
05-09-2013, 11:57 AM
Ntae robinson cant be considered a role player if he is the bulls leading scorer

bucketss
05-09-2013, 12:04 PM
carmelo anthony.

tredigs
05-09-2013, 12:06 PM
Surprised no Ray Allen's. He's been the 2nd best player on the Heat and leads the playoffs in WS/48. TS% up near 70% on 16 ppg. Playing out of his mind.

BklynKnicks3
05-09-2013, 12:12 PM
carmelo anthony.

mvp

Jarvo
05-09-2013, 12:33 PM
Nate
Manu
Allen
Ray Allen
Hill

MrfadeawayJB
05-09-2013, 12:35 PM
Draymond Green has been great for GS IMO

Stunner
05-09-2013, 12:36 PM
Nate is a role player , he wouldn't be starting if Kirk was healthy . Plus if Rose played he's the 3rd PG . He's a role player stepping up which is the main point of this thread .

DreamShaker
05-09-2013, 01:00 PM
Draymond Green has been great for GS IMO

They have so many rookies doing big things for them. It seems like they just drafted or signed every cheap, rookie role player.

Hawkeye15
05-09-2013, 01:03 PM
Nate is not a role player though in these playoffs. He's arguably Chicago's best player.

Klay is a #2 option.

IMO, no one has been as good as Tony Allen.

Until Nate proves otherwise for a duration longer than a month, he is, and always has been, a role player. Hence why I named him the best one left, he is playing way over his head.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 01:07 PM
Iman Shumpert

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 01:11 PM
Nate Robinson aint playing like a role-player.

nycericanguy
05-09-2013, 01:12 PM
Having seen mostly Knick games

Shump
Felton
Prigs

Have all been invaluable.

Throw in Kmart as well... Those 4 guys stepped up when our "stars" Tyson, Melo & JR have all shrunk come playoff time.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 01:15 PM
Having seen mostly Knick games

Shump
Felton
Prigs

Have all been invaluable.

Throw in Kmart as well... Those 4 guys stepped up when our "stars" Tyson, Melo & JR have all shrunk come playoff time.
The Knicks role players have outplayed their stars. :laugh2:

D-Leethal
05-09-2013, 01:15 PM
Shumpert, 8 straight games in double figures and counting (didn't even drop 2 in the reg season).

Boy is ballin', steppin' his game up when it matters. Taking names and cookies in the process.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 01:18 PM
Shumpert, 8 straight games in double figures and counting (didn't even drop 2 in the reg season).

Boy is ballin', steppin' his game up when it matters. Taking names and cookies in the process.

The kid is a beast. No doubt about it.

Hawkeye15
05-09-2013, 01:47 PM
Nate Robinson aint playing like a role-player.

his advanced numbers still show role player. And surprisingly, this playoff run is his lowest efficiency output of his three times in.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 01:55 PM
his advanced numbers still show role player. And surprisingly, this playoff run is his lowest efficiency output of his three times in.

He was less efficient during his Boston run. Besides, efficiency doesn't have anything to do with being a role player or not.

As far as his advanced numbers go, i'm not sure what you mean or how that relates to being a role player. Are you just talking about PER? I'd rather look at things like PPG and USG% and he is leading his team in both.

EDIT: What you said actually made me look at his playoff "runs" if you can call them that. He played 12 minutes for OKC in the playoffs and was relished to the bench for most of the playoffs in Boston. In context, in nine games this post-season he has already logged more than twice the minutes he played in seventeen postseason games for Boston.

Hawkeye15
05-09-2013, 02:05 PM
He was less efficient during his Boston run. Besides, efficiency doesn't have anything to do with being a role player or not.

As far as his advanced numbers go, i'm not sure what you mean or how that relates to being a role player. Are you just talking about PER? I'd rather look at things like PPG and USG% and he is leading his team in both.

EDIT: What you said actually made me look at his playoff "runs" if you can call them that. He played 12 minutes for OKC in the playoffs and was relished to the bench for most of the playoffs in Boston. In context, in nine games this post-season he has already logged more than twice the minutes he played in seventeen postseason games for Boston.

oh he has barely been used, even when he makes it. He is playing minutes that would never be there if injuries didn't factor in. He is a role player, that is what he has been for his career basically, and anyone who would give him money to come start for their team long term will quickly realize he is a role player.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 02:07 PM
oh he has barely been used, even when he makes it. He is playing minutes that would never be there if injuries didn't factor in. He is a role player, that is what he has been for his career basically, and anyone who would give him money to come start for their team long term will quickly realize he is a role player.

Thats a different conversation, i think. What i said and what you replied to is that he isn't [aint] playin' like a role player - which he isn't.

tredigs
05-09-2013, 02:13 PM
For the purpose of this conversation, I don't see how any teams #1 or 2 option could be considered a role player, regardless of why they're in that position.

To me a role player is often a glue guy and at most a 3rd option in the offense. But I guess everyone has their own criteria.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 02:16 PM
For the purpose of this conversation, I don't see how any teams #1 or 2 option could be considered a role player, regardless of why they're in that position.

To me a role player is often a glue guy and at most a 3rd option in the offense. But I guess everyone has their own criteria.
Its the kind of term you can play loose and fast with, but i agree with you. I wouldn't even really consider the #3 option a role-player, or i would at least have to look at the circumstances closely.

For instance, just from watching my own team, Raymond Felton is not a role-player, Pablo Prigioni and Jason Kidd are role-players.

lol, please
05-09-2013, 02:22 PM
Nate Robinson and Draymond Green.

tredigs
05-09-2013, 02:22 PM
Its the kind of term you can play loose and fast with, but i agree with you. I wouldn't even really consider the #3 option a role-player, or i would at least have to look at the circumstances closely.

For instance, just from watching my own team, Raymond Felton is not a role-player, Pablo Prigioni and Jason Kidd are role-players.

Yeah agreed - an instance of a 3rd option I'd still consider a role player would be a guy like Jamal Crawford. But once you become too good and dynamic in that role - ala Ginobili when he's firing on all cylinders or Harden in OKC - you're no longer a role player in my book. Anyway, just silly semantics.

Captain Moroni
05-09-2013, 02:25 PM
Cliff Paul

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 02:26 PM
Anyway, just silly semantics.

pretty much

Hawkeye15
05-09-2013, 02:52 PM
Thats a different conversation, i think. What i said and what you replied to is that he isn't [aint] playin' like a role player - which he isn't.

of course not, which is why I rated him the #1 role player left in the NBA. He is playing over his head, big time.

koreancabbage
05-09-2013, 03:10 PM
Probably Jarret Jack than in all criteria. came off the bench as well. He's not a star or anything but he's definitely the Warriors are counting as well

Chronz
05-09-2013, 03:29 PM
battier

has been awful

yungincome
05-09-2013, 03:46 PM
#21ShumpStreet
#PriggySmalls
#Kmart

#JimmyButler
#Klay
#L.Stevenson
#GeorgeHill

D-Leethal
05-09-2013, 03:59 PM
his advanced numbers still show role player. And surprisingly, this playoff run is his lowest efficiency output of his three times in.

Well derrrrr, the guy is getting double and triple teamed and is shouldering a load way above his talent level.

Comparing this run to his runs of the past using efficiency is ****ing stupid.


Its the kind of term you can play loose and fast with, but i agree with you. I wouldn't even really consider the #3 option a role-player, or i would at least have to look at the circumstances closely.

For instance, just from watching my own team, Raymond Felton is not a role-player, Pablo Prigioni and Jason Kidd are role-players.

I wouldn't call starting PG for any team a role player unless they are used in a spot shooting role with the main facilitator at a different position, like a Chalmers or a Derek Fisher circa 2010. Even PG's like Ray who don't put up gaudy stats are far more than role players because their role in running the offense is of extreme importance. That goes for about 90% of the starting PGs in the league I'd say.

I'd say a role player is a guy who isn't even considered an 'option' offensively. Majority of them are specialists who excel in one aspect (Novak or a Ronnie Brewer), swiss army knifes who can do a little bit of anything at a decent level (I'd say Shump fits that bill for us - defense, a couple threes, a couple dimes, a few boards), or backups (the Pablo's, the Kidd's, the Martin's).

justinnum1
05-09-2013, 04:23 PM
ray allen.

DumDum
05-09-2013, 04:49 PM
birdman birdman :dance:

TeamSeattle
05-09-2013, 05:02 PM
Iman Shumpert
Quincy Pondexter
Klay Thompson
Jimmy Butler
Ray Allen

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 05:03 PM
Well derrrrr, the guy is getting double and triple teamed and is shouldering a load way above his talent level.

Comparing this run to his runs of the past using efficiency is ****ing stupid.


Honestly, Robinson is playing efficient basketball by an standard. And its not so much that we haven't seen him do it before, because we have, its just the stage he's performing on is exponential compared to any situation he's been in previously. You can't help but think with the maturity he's showed this season that Thibbs had him turn the proverbial corner.


I wouldn't call starting PG for any team a role player unless they are used in a spot shooting role with the main facilitator at a different position, like a Chalmers or a Derek Fisher circa 2010. Even PG's like Ray who don't put up gaudy stats are far more than role players because their role in running the offense is of extreme importance. That goes for about 90% of the starting PGs in the league I'd say.

I'd say a role player is a guy who isn't even considered an 'option' offensively. Majority of them are specialists who excel in one aspect (Novak or a Ronnie Brewer), swiss army knifes who can do a little bit of anything at a decent level (I'd say Shump fits that bill for us - defense, a couple threes, a couple dimes, a few boards), or backups (the Pablo's, the Kidd's, the Martin's).

I agree with all of this. Its hard to call guys like Ray and Nate role-players when their respective team counts on them night-in-night-out to excel in multiple areas.. Whether or not they arbitrarily "should" be in that situation is largely irrelevant because they are, and they are performing.

D-Leethal
05-09-2013, 05:03 PM
^^^ Klay is a future all star, dude is far from a role player. He's way more than just a shooter.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 05:06 PM
^^^ Klay is a future all star, dude is far from a role player. He's way more than just a shooter.

dude just dropped 34 points against the Spurs lol

Blitzace137
05-09-2013, 05:09 PM
Jimmy Butler, Nate Robinson, Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni, Battier...

Does Mike Conley count as a role player?

No he's a main piece outside of Gasol and Zach

Blitzace137
05-09-2013, 05:10 PM
^^^ Klay is a future all star, dude is far from a role player. He's way more than just a shooter.

Agreed he's still developing his game. Kid is gonna be scary good in a couple of season.

DumDum
05-09-2013, 05:11 PM
birdman birdman

TeamSeattle
05-09-2013, 05:19 PM
^^^ Klay is a future all star, dude is far from a role player. He's way more than just a shooter.

Klay at this point is still a role player until he can do this consistently like Curry. He always has a game like this than the next one he barely scores 10 points on Melo shooting numbers. He's not there yet, plus this is a judgement on the present not the future.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 05:28 PM
of course not, which is why I rated him the #1 role player left in the NBA. He is playing over his head, big time.

Well, i don't think he's a role-player, and i don't think he's playing over his head. But its surely semantics and i don't fault you for your line of thinking.

TrueFan420
05-09-2013, 08:17 PM
Jack on the dubs is a role player playing big for his team

Chronz
05-09-2013, 08:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58059/playoff-plusminus-studs



Chris Andersen -- plus-29
Mike Conley -- plus-24
Shane Battier -- plus-23
Pablo Prigioni -- plus-23
Nate Robinson -- plus-19
Stephen Curry -- plus-18
Nick Collison -- plus-18
Tyson Chandler -- plus-16
Klay Thompson -- plus-15
Lance Stephenson -- plus-15
Kevin Durant -- plus-14
LeBron James -- plus-13
Dwyane Wade -- plus-13
Raymond Felton -- plus-11


Battier has sucked individually but maybe I should focus more on how the team absolutely takes off when hes in the game.

Kashmir13579
05-09-2013, 09:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58059/playoff-plusminus-studs



Chris Andersen -- plus-29
Mike Conley -- plus-24
Shane Battier -- plus-23
Pablo Prigioni -- plus-23
Nate Robinson -- plus-19
Stephen Curry -- plus-18
Nick Collison -- plus-18
Tyson Chandler -- plus-16
Klay Thompson -- plus-15
Lance Stephenson -- plus-15
Kevin Durant -- plus-14
LeBron James -- plus-13
Dwyane Wade -- plus-13
Raymond Felton -- plus-11


Battier has sucked individually but maybe I should focus more on how the team absolutely takes off when hes in the game.

Pablooooooooo Prigioniiiiiiiiiiiiiii

ps thanks for posting

Bruno
05-09-2013, 11:05 PM
allen, allen, battier, andersen.

DreamShaker
05-10-2013, 12:27 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58059/playoff-plusminus-studs



Chris Andersen -- plus-29
Mike Conley -- plus-24
Shane Battier -- plus-23
Pablo Prigioni -- plus-23
Nate Robinson -- plus-19
Stephen Curry -- plus-18
Nick Collison -- plus-18
Tyson Chandler -- plus-16
Klay Thompson -- plus-15
Lance Stephenson -- plus-15
Kevin Durant -- plus-14
LeBron James -- plus-13
Dwyane Wade -- plus-13
Raymond Felton -- plus-11


Battier has sucked individually but maybe I should focus more on how the team absolutely takes off when hes in the game.

I guess it all goes back to intangables in some cases. Stuff like taking charges, setting picks, moving the ball, and all the stuff you can't measure adds up with guys like Battier and Birdman. I always saw that with Battier. Just always knew the right plays to make and places to be. Even if I was wowed by Rudy Gay and often lamented the trade, I can now look back and really appreciated what he did for the Rockets.

lol, please
05-10-2013, 12:32 AM
I like that plus/minus ranking/statistic, thanks for sharing it.

KniCks4LiFe
05-10-2013, 12:35 AM
Carl Landry
Iman Shumpert
Pablo Prigioni
Raymond Felton
Chris Anderson
Lance Stephenson
Matt Bonner
Jimmy Butler
Nate Robinson
Tony Allen
Quincy Pondexter

NYJ - NYY
05-10-2013, 10:53 AM
Carl Landry
Iman Shumpert
Pablo Prigioni
Raymond Felton
Chris Anderson
Lance Stephenson
Matt Bonner
Jimmy Butler
Nate Robinson
Tony Allen
Quincy Pondexter

/thread.... jokkkkkkken... but they are playing phenomenally ... alot of young guys showing up for their team across the playoffs... despite the injured stars these playoffs have been awesome to watch!!

ILLUSIONIST^248
05-10-2013, 12:21 PM
When glory is to be had in the playoffs, the stars tend to get all the shine. But we all know one man can't do it all, and it is a team game. We know Lebron, Durant, Melo, Parker, Curry, and the rest as the stars of the show, but let us give some shine to the unsung heroes.

So who are the best and most impressive role players left in the playoffs, and what have they done to help their team get where they are?

Miami has most of the better roles players on their team.

R. Johnson#3
05-10-2013, 12:44 PM
Andrew Bogut

He basically puts back every offensive rebound he gets and that how he scores the majority of his points. He's been huge with Lee out.

TrueFan420
05-10-2013, 02:35 PM
Andrew Bogut

He basically puts back every offensive rebound he gets and that how he scores the majority of his points. He's been huge with Lee out.

Going into the playoffs I'd have agreed. His role was to rebound and play great d for 20-25 min. But after dlee got hurt his role change and much more was expected of him and he has delivered. I wouldn't call him a role player for the warriors.

the avenger
05-10-2013, 02:44 PM
Derek Fisher
Carl Landry
Manu Ginobili
Jerryd Bayless
Ray Allen
Norris Cole
Chris Andersen
Draymond Green
Corey Brewer
Marco Belinelli