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Chronz
05-07-2013, 06:31 PM
When JVG lost his job in Houston, his budding super-coach had to find a job on his own. He chose to accept an offer from Washington to join Eddie Jordan's staff. Rumor has it, he had a change of heart because of how he was offered the job, (From Management rather than EJ himself) the prevailing thought being he would have replaced a lame duck coach within a year, while in the interim serving under him. Sounds like a tough spot to be in, but lets say Thibs didn't care.

Would Washington have formed a defensive identity, similar to the ones developed in Houston/Boston/Chicago? Or would it have been a complete waste of his talent?


What about Boston? Think of how close Boston was to losing, how many game 7's they faced that year, is it plausible that they wouldn't have won the title without Thibs?


This was Washington's roster at the time:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2008.html

They were a playoff team that year, but ranked only 24th defensively.



How differently would NBA history be? I heard he also had a shot at another coaching gig aside from Chicago but I forget where.

dalton749
05-07-2013, 06:33 PM
phnx- dantoni

Celticsfan2007
05-07-2013, 06:34 PM
Not even Thibs, could fix the anomally that is the Washington Wizards.

DamnGoat
05-07-2013, 06:39 PM
He was also offered the Hornets job (and they went on to hire Monty Williams) the same offseason as the Bulls job, but Doc told him there was more talent in Chicago (even though their contract offer was rumored to be less than what NO was offering at the time).

Heediot
05-07-2013, 07:07 PM
Javale McGee DPOY under thibs.

Redskins10
05-07-2013, 07:15 PM
We were pretty good back then

sep11ie
05-07-2013, 07:33 PM
He woulda been ****ed in Washington.

sventhedog
05-07-2013, 11:28 PM
john wall would still be on street clothes up to now saying he may come back. but the wizards are not going anywhere.

Iggz53
05-07-2013, 11:45 PM
Hard to tell because it's really difficult to say what kind of an effect Arenas had on the locker room. Thibs is all business and takes no **** and I'm not convinced Arenas (who was their leader at the time) would've bought in. Without him though, I absolutely think they would've been a great defensive team (especially with Stevenson, Haywood, and prime Caron Butler). And the youngn's off the bench (Nick Young, Blatche, etc) would've developed drastically different. Interesting scenario.

JasonJohnHorn
05-08-2013, 01:42 AM
He seems like a great coach now. I'm not sure how much of that greatest he brought to the table, and how much he learned working with guys like Doc and SVG. He's doing great now. I'm sure his time with Doc made him a better coach. It sounds like he was always a defensive specialist though, so I'm sure he taught SVG and Doc as much as they taught him.

He's a great coach now, and he paid his dues as an assist for a while. I'm happy for him. Would the Celtics have still won? I think so. KG and PP were great defenders already, and Rondo, as far as my memory serves was a defensive player even as a rookie. I would be inclined to think he helped make Boston better, but you really have to hear it from the guys there. Had they not gotten Thibs, they likely would have targeted another defensive coach, since that was their aim bringing him in. I think having him spend time on a championship team helped him though. The path he took seems to be working out well for him.

dalton749
05-08-2013, 01:45 AM
if dantoni wasnt an idiot and took him in pheonix it could have been scary

kozelkid
05-08-2013, 01:54 AM
He seems like a great coach now. I'm not sure how much of that greatest he brought to the table, and how much he learned working with guys like Doc and SVG. He's doing great now. I'm sure his time with Doc made him a better coach. It sounds like he was always a defensive specialist though, so I'm sure he taught SVG and Doc as much as they taught him.

He's a great coach now, and he paid his dues as an assist for a while. I'm happy for him. Would the Celtics have still won? I think so. KG and PP were great defenders already, and Rondo, as far as my memory serves was a defensive player even as a rookie. I would be inclined to think he helped make Boston better, but you really have to hear it from the guys there. Had they not gotten Thibs, they likely would have targeted another defensive coach, since that was their aim bringing him in. I think having him spend time on a championship team helped him though. The path he took seems to be working out well for him.

(A) He never worked with SVG. He worked with JVG.

(B) PP was NOT a great defender until the formation of the big 3. In fact, he was looked at much like Melo is looked at now. So no, I'm not necessarily convinced that they'd win without Thibs. As much as Thibs learned from Doc, their defense culture of recently is owed to as much Thibs as KG. I'm not convinced a player can alone get his teammates to play defense the way KG's teammates began to with the formation of the big 3. Orlando with Dwight is a great example of such. KG, while an all-time defender, is not what made Boston ELITE at closing out 3pt shooters the way Chicago is now as well.

KG is a fantastic anchor for any defense, but Thibs developed the specific philosophy of overloading the strong side and running out 3pt shooters like nobody's business. Hence Boston's consistent domination of Cleveland and Orlando at the time.