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PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 04:39 AM
Lets try this again. It is too big of a story to ignore. Posters, do your job and stay mature, mods, do your job and prevent those who are immature from posting. This is too big of a story to keep off of this sight.

Religious talk is not allowed, so expect a ban or infraction if you post religious posts.

Instead of attacking people who disagree with you, discuss with them. Words that do not lead to discussion, are usually aggressive ones, like, idiot, dumb, stupid, etc

There are two sides to a story, discussion can be productive, while not being insulting.

There will be insulting conversation I assume, so mods, just do your job, and I know it will be a bigger job than usual, just keep in mind that this is a big story in sports, and society, and that PSD is one of the biggest sports discussion sites, and that this subject should not be ignored.

asandhu23
05-01-2013, 04:41 AM
Its not going to go well. Someone is going to bring religion into this.

bigmac8675
05-01-2013, 04:41 AM
I'm just gonna keep it simple... good for him.

Iron24th
05-01-2013, 04:51 AM
It requires some courage

eso
05-01-2013, 04:53 AM
I just think its sad that in this day and age that this is even news, seriously who cares. But took a lot of courage on his behalf well done Jason.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 04:59 AM
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PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:00 AM
Its not going to go well. Someone is going to bring religion into this.

then let the mods ban that person. This is too big of a story to go ignored here just because some people are jerks.

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 05:07 AM
now, for my side, good on Collins for coming out. An adult who has feelings towards another adult, that is consensual, and harms no others, themselves included, should be able to act upon their feelings. I understand that homosexuals may make another person uncomfortable, and this used to be no different for me. I grew up in a normal family, and around the eighth grade, I started to think my brother, who was two years older than me was gay...while, actually, I never really thought it, until I found his gay pornography. My brother always seemed normal to me, and he was/is normal...but in eighth grade, I am thinking, why does he have man on man pornography hiding under his mattress? My pornography either involves girl on girl, or girl on guy. So then, I became suspicious, but always thought he could be changed, but I kept finding more gay porn in his room, while I kept finding more heterosexual porn myself. He always denied that he was gay, even though I pointed out the gay porn he had, he told me he was just insecure, and wanted to compare his penis size to other men, and see if it was normal, which I somewhat bought, but my suspicious continued to rise, because, I was now curious about my penis size, but never felt the urge to look at gay porn. Finally, in my brothers senior year of highschool (my sophomore year), my brother came out in a big way. A guy who wore a straight pride t-shirt to school, was asked to change his shirt by the principal after the gay community in the school complained to the principal. A huge deal ensued, leading to the Westboro Baptist Church to Pickett my school. This was in 2001, when WBC was not as well known as they are now, and I was somewhat siding with them, thinking, "if a gay person whore a gay pride shirt, everything would be fine," but then, I found out my brother was one of the people complaining about the shirt, and that the story went a lot deeper than just the t-shirt the kid was wearing, but him antagonizing the gay people of the school during a bible study the day before he decided to wear the shirt. Now that I knew my brother was involved, and that he was antagonized for the feelings he had, I thought...yeah, his sexual preference may be different than what we are accustomed to, but he is still a normal guy, with normal goals, so why should his future be different than mine?

I still cannot completely comprehend how another male can love another male, or a female another female, but what is more incomprehensible to me, is how some people want to deny basic human rights to consenting adults, or two consenting people of the same age....Jason Collins IMO is a pioneer, who can help us better understand human nature.

To answer the bold part.

It's most likely the same way that you feel attracted to a woman, the only difference is the gender.

It isn't that hard to comprehend.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:17 AM
To answer the bold part.

It's most likely the same way that you feel attracted to a woman, the only difference is the gender.

It isn't that hard to comprehend.

yeah, that is the simple answer, but I think it goes deeper than that...there is something scientific that attracts people to other people, and the majority of people are attracted to the opposite sex, some people are attracted to the same sex. I think there is more science involved than just...homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, just like you are attracted to the opposite sex.

The part you bolded I did say, but may just not have been the right words. I can comprehend attractiveness between consenting adults, or consenting people of the same age, I just don't understand what makes the majority of people attracted to the opposite sex, while a minority of people is attracted to the same sex.

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 05:26 AM
yeah, that is the simple answer, but I think it goes deeper than that...there is something scientific that attracts people to other people, and the majority of people are attracted to the opposite sex, some people are attracted to the same sex. I think there is more science involved than just...homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, just like you are attracted to the opposite sex.

The part you bolded I did say, but may just not have been the right words. I can comprehend attractiveness between consenting adults, or consenting people of the same age, I just don't understand what makes the majority of people attracted to the opposite sex, while a minority of people is attracted to the same sex.

Their brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.

R. Johnson#3
05-01-2013, 05:29 AM
They're brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.

Winner

c.c.
05-01-2013, 05:29 AM
Jason Collins is trash and only people that follow the NBA heavily knows who he was before this BS. This is too big of a deal for a player of his caliber, I can see if it was a good player who actually had fans. Honestly do anyone owns a Jason Collins jersey, NEXT!!!!

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:31 AM
They're brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.

It doesnt have to be complicated, but it is. Like you said, the brain is wired differently...that alone is complicated.

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 05:36 AM
It doesnt have to be complicated, but it is. Like you said, the brain is wired differently...that alone is complicated.

It's just a bunch of neurons that constantly interact with each other. :shrug:

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:37 AM
Jason Collins is trash and only people that follow the NBA heavily knows who he was before this BS. This is too big of a deal for a player of his caliber, I can see if it was a good player who actually had fans. Honestly do anyone owns a Jason Collins jersey, NEXT!!!!

It isnt the caliber of player he was that makes this significant, it is that he plays in a sport that caliber reaches mass amounts of people. You saying that, is like saying Rosa Park's impact wasn't as big, because before her standing up for her rights, she wasn't Michelle Obama.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:37 AM
It's just a bunch of neurons that constantly interact with each other. :shrug:

yep, not complicated at all...

Knicks21
05-01-2013, 05:40 AM
I have no problem with it. Would be weird though when you hit the showers.

flea
05-01-2013, 05:40 AM
yeah, that is the simple answer, but I think it goes deeper than that...there is something scientific that attracts people to other people, and the majority of people are attracted to the opposite sex, some people are attracted to the same sex. I think there is more science involved than just...homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, just like you are attracted to the opposite sex.

The part you bolded I did say, but may just not have been the right words. I can comprehend attractiveness between consenting adults, or consenting people of the same age, I just don't understand what makes the majority of people attracted to the opposite sex, while a minority of people is attracted to the same sex.

Most people are a bit gay themselves even if they identify as straight. It's more of a sliding scale than a binary thing. You're probably a little gay and that's why you think you don't understand it.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:41 AM
I have no problem with it. Would be weird though when you hit the showers.

why?

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 05:43 AM
Most people are a bit gay themselves even if they identify as straight. It's more of a sliding scale than a binary thing. You're probably a little gay and that's why you think you don't understand it.

Don't listen to this guy, he's just going to confuse you further. :D

If you're really interested to find out, search for the information.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:43 AM
Most people are a bit gay themselves even if they identify as straight. It's more of a sliding scale than a binary thing. You're probably a little gay and that's why you think you don't understand it.

yeah, that makes no sense.

flea
05-01-2013, 05:46 AM
Well it's a widely accepted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) view and your own repulsion by it seems a lot like repression to an outsider. But whatever man, sure you're 100% straight and not a gay bone in your body (yet lol).

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 05:50 AM
Well it's a widely accepted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) view and your own repulsion by it seems a lot like repression to an outsider. But whatever man, sure you're 100% straight and not a gay bone in your body (yet lol).

where did I say I was repulsed by it? I am confused.

c.c.
05-01-2013, 05:51 AM
Well it's a widely accepted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) view and your own repulsion by it seems a lot like repression to an outsider. But whatever man, sure you're 100% straight and not a gay bone in your body (yet lol).

Bruh you talking like you like guys or something

flea
05-01-2013, 05:53 AM
where did I say I was repulsed by it? I am confused.
That was the takeaway from your narrative about your brother. You just can't understand why he's like that (but you support it). Likely, you don't want to understand because it will force you confront your own sexuality. After all, it's really not a very complex issue - you're attracted to some combination of physical beauty and traits you desire based on your own experiences or a shared similarity.

flea
05-01-2013, 05:54 AM
Bruh you talking like you like guys or something
A funny quip if this were 9th grade.

Kevj77
05-01-2013, 06:01 AM
Why does it even matter? He wasn't the first gay pro. He was just the first gay person to come out before he retired. He won't be the last.

Why is it so important? Is it more important than adultery, murder, rape, gambling, PEDs, recreational drug abuse, ect... All problems that are just as real in sports.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:05 AM
That was the takeaway from your narrative about your brother. You just can't understand why he's like that (but you support it). Likely, you don't want to understand because it will force you confront your own sexuality. After all, it's really not a very complex issue - you're attracted to some combination of physical beauty and traits you desire based on your own experiences or a shared similarity.

so you are insinuating that I cannot understand why another man like another man because I am partially gay?

Jenceman
05-01-2013, 06:05 AM
Why does it even matter? He wasn't the first gay pro. He was just the first gay person to come out before he retired. He won't be the last.

Why is it so important? Is it more important than adultery, murder, rape, gambling, PEDs, recreational drug abuse, ect... All problems that are just as real in sports.

Is crossing off the negative attitude towards homosexuals in sports such a bad thing?

flea
05-01-2013, 06:05 AM
so you are insinuating that I cannot understand why another man like another man because I am partially gay?
To be clear, I don't know you, You could be one of those rare zeroes on the Kinsey Scale.

What I said was you're partially gay (and repress that fact) and therefore you think you can't understand gay people. In fact, there is not a lot to understand.

Raidaz4Life
05-01-2013, 06:10 AM
Why do people care who the guy has sex with? Stop giving a washed up player free publicity.

Jenceman
05-01-2013, 06:12 AM
Why do people care who the guy has sex with? Stop giving a washed up player free publicity.

See my post above.

QueensG_718
05-01-2013, 06:15 AM
Who cares. Coincedentally the guy comes out when hes a free agent whos career was probably done anyway. Stern will now make it a priority for this scrub to be on a team next year just because this news came out. Smart move on collins though

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:18 AM
Why do people care who the guy has sex with? Stop giving a washed up player free publicity.

yeah man, much more complex than that. It isnt the player that is given the publicity, it is the issue of gay rights that is given the publicity. Think of the situation where a terrific athlete is afraid to stand up for who he is, and is unable to share with teammates who he is, because he is scared he will be judged. Collins could be setting up a motion where athletes are not scared to be who they are. Collins himself said something along the line of him being scared to come out because of what it may do to his career.

QueensG_718
05-01-2013, 06:19 AM
We joke on everything in here but when it cones to these gay topics you guys are all over it and serious about it. Hmm makes me wonder about ya.

QueensG_718
05-01-2013, 06:20 AM
I also cant stand how the media that knows nothing about sports calls this scrub an "nba star". Lol that couldnt be farther from the truth.

flea
05-01-2013, 06:27 AM
yeah man, much more complex than that. It isnt the player that is given the publicity, it is the issue of gay rights that is given the publicity. Think of the situation where a terrific athlete is afraid to stand up for who he is, and is unable to share with teammates who he is, because he is scared he will be judged. Collins could be setting up a motion where athletes are not scared to be who they are. Collins himself said something along the line of him being scared to come out because of what it may do to his career.
He's paving the way for Jeter.

Knicks21
05-01-2013, 06:27 AM
why?

When you shower with people who are attracted sexually to you it is awkward imo.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:36 AM
When you shower with people who are attracted sexually to you it is awkward imo.

Are you straight? if so, are you attracted to every female you see?

Raidaz4Life
05-01-2013, 06:42 AM
yeah man, much more complex than that. It isnt the player that is given the publicity, it is the issue of gay rights that is given the publicity. Think of the situation where a terrific athlete is afraid to stand up for who he is, and is unable to share with teammates who he is, because he is scared he will be judged. Collins could be setting up a motion where athletes are not scared to be who they are. Collins himself said something along the line of him being scared to come out because of what it may do to his career.


I don't get why people are so into making it a label. Me being attracted to women has absolutely no bearing on "who I am". I do not feel the need to tell it to anyone. I do not expect them to ask. ESPECIALLY in terms of my working environment.


The reason I cannot stand this so much is that it is 100% unprofessional whichever way you look at it. If he wants to wait until he is retired (which he virtually did) and then go on his campaign then good for him, but his sexual orientation literally has nothing to do with his job. He is paid to go out and play basketball, and thats it. Now he is using his job as a platform to campaign which I do not approve of.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:44 AM
He's paving the way for Jeter.

What makes you think Jeter is gay?

HYFR
05-01-2013, 06:46 AM
Enough with the "shower talk" lol. Dudes need to get over themselves

odiz
05-01-2013, 06:51 AM
It isnt the caliber of player he was that makes this significant, it is that he plays in a sport that caliber reaches mass amounts of people. You saying that, is like saying Rosa Park's impact wasn't as big, because before her standing up for her rights, she wasn't Michelle Obama.

I think the calibre of the player does make a difference in a sense. Chances are Jason Collins wont play another game in the NBA and it wont be because hes gay it will be because hes not an NBA calibre player at this point in his career. But im sure for some it will be seen as him being blackballed because hes gay, it will make other players not want to come out and just generally cause more harm then good IMO.

eso
05-01-2013, 06:51 AM
I have no problem with it. Would be weird though when you hit the showers.

Why?

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:53 AM
I don't get why people are so into making it a label. Me being attracted to women has absolutely no bearing on "who I am". I do not feel the need to tell it to anyone. I do not expect them to ask. ESPECIALLY in terms of my working environment.


The reason I cannot stand this so much is that it is 100% unprofessional whichever way you look at it. If he wants to wait until he is retired (which he virtually did) and then go on his campaign then good for him, but his sexual orientation literally has nothing to do with his job. He is paid to go out and play basketball, and thats it. Now he is using his job as a platform to campaign which I do not approve of.

I just think that someone should not have to hide from who they are. In today's sports, gay people feel they need to hide a part of themselves, as evidenced by Jason Collins spending over a decade in the league, and not coming out. Him coming out will open the door for other people pursuing their career. You don't need to tell people you are attracted to females, because no one would think anything of it...unfortunately, there are people in many professions who would think differently if their co-worker was homosexual, but if someone comes out who got the job done right, than that may change the minds of bigots...the original thought before coming out being "this guy can get the job done" the thought after coming out being "this guy can get the job done, I dont care that he is gay..." which now opens the door to people being more comfortable about being who they are.

GrumpyOldMan
05-01-2013, 06:54 AM
This situation can be seen as historic because a man in professional sports has finally come out while still playing. Lets not kid ourselves, there are a lot more homosexuals playing in north american sports leagues than most of us think. I hope the reaction to Collins is positive enough to let them know that society, or most of society is okay with this and they can come out and live a regular life. Due to the fact that Collins didn't know what kind of reaction he would get I consider him very brave. Do I think a star player coming out would have done more? Sure, but Collins is the guy who did. I don't see a reason to bash him for not being a star.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:57 AM
Enough with the "shower talk" lol. Dudes need to get over themselves

yup, seems a lot of people weirded out by gay athlete seem to think that that athlete would be checking him out if they were in the shower together...get over yourselves, not everyone is attracted to you.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 06:58 AM
This situation can be seen as historic because a man in professional sports has finally come out while still playing. Lets not kid ourselves, there are a lot more homosexuals playing in north american sports leagues than most of us think. I hope the reaction to Collins is positive enough to let them know that society, or most of society is okay with this and they can come out and live a regular life. Due to the fact that Collins didn't know what kind of reaction he would get I consider him very brave. Do I think a star player coming out would have done more? Sure, but Collins is the guy who did. I don't see a reason to bash him for not being a star.

bingo.

flea
05-01-2013, 07:00 AM
What makes you think Jeter is gay?

He fits the profile.

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 07:03 AM
He fits the profile.

tell me what the stereotype is that you have.

Bigbadmoffo
05-01-2013, 07:07 AM
The new Jackie Robinson!!!

DumDum
05-01-2013, 07:09 AM
This is the second thread where we are throwing Other athletes into the mix its like a gay witch hunt. If we are not Mature to have the thread We shouldn't have it

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 07:12 AM
The new Jackie Robinson!!!

I understand the reference, but Jackie was actually good. This is a little bit different. Everyone knew Jackie was black, and he had to earn his respect, even while having superstar talent. Collins is bad, and no one knew he was gay. Jackie's teammates didnt find out years after he played that he was black, Collins teammates did find out years after he played that he was gay.

gay clearly does not = black, but the similarities are that no one should feel repressed due to their nature that hurts no one, including themselves.

c.c.
05-01-2013, 07:19 AM
Y'all know what will juice this whole Jason Collins crap up. If he expose all the closet NBA players and some of them actually matter to the league

PurpleJesus
05-01-2013, 07:26 AM
Y'all know what will juice this whole Jason Collins crap up. If he expose all the closet NBA players and some of them actually matter to the league

I'll take who are the star players that played with Jason Collins and are affected and inspired by this for 300 Alex.

Rosa Parks was a no one before she stood up, Martin Luther was a no one before he stood up, Anne Frank was a no one until her voice was heard...

knicksfan42
05-01-2013, 07:55 AM
I support gay marriage and its cool that Collins came out and everything, but the showering issue isn't a simple as people are making it out to be. Think about it, would women be comfortable with men showering with them. There is a reason we have different bathrooms or do women just need to get over themselves.

krisxsong
05-01-2013, 08:12 AM
Their brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.

I for one don't think that's the case. Wired differently? What does that mean?

It is normal, natural to be attracted to the opposite sex. I personally don't believe it's natural to be attracted to the same sex given the distinguishing reproductive organs given to each gender.

That said, I don't hate gays but I don't think it's as simple as "Oh, he was just born weird".

The reason you \don't give it much thought is probably because you haven't been affected by a close friend/family member coming out. I personally have not either and until now I never really gave THAT much thought into why they are attracted to the same sex.

krisxsong
05-01-2013, 08:13 AM
As for Collins, he always sucked on the court but was always liked.

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 08:20 AM
Well it's a widely accepted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) view and your own repulsion by it seems a lot like repression to an outsider. But whatever man, sure you're 100% straight and not a gay bone in your body (yet lol).

I learned about that from Sue Johanson on the Sunday Night Sex Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Night_Sex_Show) many, many years ago. Funny thing is most women will admit the truth to it, but because of male pride, ego, whatever, most men will just say I'm a zero, pure straight.

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 08:27 AM
I have no problem with it. Would be weird though when you hit the showers.

This is what I don't understand. It was no different than yesterday, it's just now, you know about it. If dude wanted to look, he would have done so already. If dude wanted to make a move, he probably would have done it already it too.

Ill21
05-01-2013, 08:39 AM
Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"

krisxsong
05-01-2013, 08:59 AM
Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"

He's not a hero for being gay, he's a hero for his courage and leading an easier path for those who follow to come out.

I was told no religion in this thread so I will not comment on the Tim Tebow part.

gatkins11
05-01-2013, 09:00 AM
Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"

Spot-on assessment.

quikk
05-01-2013, 09:34 AM
Their brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.


Winner

1. Can't the same be said about murderers or rapists? If the argument is that "their brains are wired differently", then you're about to give a pass to and sign off on A LOT of crazyness.

2. The problem is that the homosexuals are contradicting their very own argument by not accepting others "beliefs", "breeds", "opinions" for those are oppose to this unnatural behavior. If somebody says they don't support homosexuality and won't accept it as normal, they are labeled a "bigot"....yet when the homosexuals don't respect the opinions and traditions of anti-homosexual persons, they are committing the very same violation they complain about so much.

The truth is no specie in existence, most importantly humans, can have 2 members of the same sex reproduce life or have "natural" sex. 2 women don't even have the necessary resources to have sex. They have to use toys and other means of stimulation. The same goes for two homo men, they'd have to utilize options that were not designed for that use.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, whoever or whatever created the human race, did not design our bodies, our temples, for homosexual activity.

While homosexuality could be accepted or supported, it will never be natural.

quikk
05-01-2013, 09:40 AM
Their brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.


Winner


Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"

You guys have to understand who controls the world, who controls the government, the airwaves, who decides what information is distributed to the mass media. It is provable through multiple outlets that the elitists of the world are luciferians, and homosexuality is part of their regime. Of course the "enemy", a "christian" Tim Tebow will be blackballed and mocked, as to discourage our youth to follow his path, yet homosexuality is condoned and actually applauded. This world has lost all moral value, the exact same occurred before Soddom and Gomorrah was destroyed.

10 years from now, it will be legal to have sex with animals, because "science" proved that it is a natural desire that someone was "born" with.

Knicks21
05-01-2013, 09:41 AM
yup, seems a lot of people weirded out by gay athlete seem to think that that athlete would be checking him out if they were in the shower together...get over yourselves, not everyone is attracted to you.

You're missing the point of a forum, no one should get over themselves. You start the thread, you deal with the opinions.

Like it or not people have different insecurities. Perhaps you are to experience showering with 25 blokes after a game, especially if you win, before you start making judgement calls. For some having a gay guy in the shower rooms with 25 other blokes getting rowdy is a different experience, people will act differently. Especially with todays NBA characters.

eugene
05-01-2013, 09:47 AM
ewwwwww... :F

quikk
05-01-2013, 10:03 AM
This is what I don't understand. It was no different than yesterday, it's just now, you know about it. If dude wanted to look, he would have done so already. If dude wanted to make a move, he probably would have done it already it too.

My god what kind of silly argument is that?

So if you're child's teacher is a rapist, and you find out about it, it wouldn't matter because if he wanted to rape your child he would have done so already??? So would you leave your kid in that school after you found out his/her teacher was a rapist?

PLEASE utilize logic before you submit your post for the world to see how simple your brain operates.

Mikeleafs
05-01-2013, 10:08 AM
Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"


I agree. I don't understand why this guy is being celebrated for taking it up the ***!!

I really have nothing against gay's but why are we talking about a guy's sexual preference... who gives a **** who he sleeps with. Taking it up the *** is nothing to celebrate!!

And btw, have you guys seen his EX? No wonder he became gay... LOL

My solution for him to get cured is to take a trip to Russia and look at some beautiful women, I'll bet that'll straighten him out... hahaha

titan85
05-01-2013, 10:15 AM
My reaction to this story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4DHgVBSL8

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 10:24 AM
My god what kind of silly argument is that?

So if you're child's teacher is a rapist, and you find out about it, it wouldn't matter because if he wanted to rape your child he would have done so already??? So would you leave your kid in that school after you found out his/her teacher was a rapist?

PLEASE utilize logic before you submit your post for the world to see how simple your brain operates.

Comparing a rapist to a homosexual??? Seriously??? Two totally different things.

It is absolutely not a "silly" argument. The point is that they are the same person they were yesterday but you are now aware of their sexual orientation. A rapist is still the same person too, but a horrible person. If you honestly don't see that, there is no helping you.

ghettosean
05-01-2013, 10:25 AM
Kevin Hart tweeted this and I completely agree

@KevinHart2ReaI: Tim Tebow: "I'm a Christian."

Media: "Keep it to yourself."

Jason Collins: "I'm gay."

Media: "This man's a hero!"

I find it absolutely ridiculous how no one can discuss religion when other sports writers are talking about this story and throwing religion in there like Chris Broussard. I understand that we shouldn't be discussing it in detail but seriously how stupid is this that we can't even comment on sports writers reactions and others to this story.

STUPID!

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 10:26 AM
You guys have to understand who controls the world, who controls the government, the airwaves, who decides what information is distributed to the mass media. It is provable through multiple outlets that the elitists of the world are luciferians, and homosexuality is part of their regime. Of course the "enemy", a "christian" Tim Tebow will be blackballed and mocked, as to discourage our youth to follow his path, yet homosexuality is condoned and actually applauded. This world has lost all moral value, the exact same occurred before Soddom and Gomorrah was destroyed.

10 years from now, it will be legal to have sex with animals, because "science" proved that it is a natural desire that someone was "born" with.

Hahaha, and you're going to criticize my post and tell me to use logic and say I'm silly. You post this????

Edit: I also have to add that homosexuality is natural. EVERY species on the planet has homosexual tendencies. I could understand the "nature's way" argument if this were not true.

quikk
05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
Comparing a rapist to a homosexual??? Seriously??? Two totally different things.

It is absolutely not a "silly" argument. The point is that they are the same person they were yesterday but you are now aware of their sexual orientation. A rapist is still the same person too, but a horrible person. If you honestly don't see that, there is no helping you.


How so? It's that person's "natural" tendency??? He was "born" that way??? Don't throw bricks if you live in a glass house.

quikk
05-01-2013, 10:40 AM
Hahaha, and you're going to criticize my post and tell me to use logic and say I'm silly. You post this????

Edit: I also have to add that homosexuality is natural. EVERY species on the planet has homosexual tendencies. I could understand the "nature's way" argument if this were not true.

1. If it's natural then why can't homosexuals reproduce life??? If if was "natural" and everyone on earth was a homosexual, The world would be extinct in 100 years.

2. Every specie on earth has homosexual tendencies??? So Bears, Tigers, Snakes, and Eagles are homos? LMAO!!!!!! Exactly what dimension do you live in?

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 10:41 AM
How so? It's that person's "natural" tendency??? He was "born" that way??? Don't throw bricks if you live in a glass house.

I honestly don't even understand you. How can you compare a rapist that knowingly does harm to another person to a homosexual that does no harm to anyone?

utl768
05-01-2013, 10:54 AM
part of me feels he did this because he sucks and this will give him great ammo for a lawsuit when no one signs him in the fall

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
I honestly don't even understand you. How can you compare a rapist that knowingly does harm to another person to a homosexual that does no harm to anyone?

Don't feed the troll.

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 11:11 AM
1. If it's natural then why can't homosexuals reproduce life??? If if was "natural" and everyone on earth was a homosexual, The world would be extinct in 100 years.

2. Every specie on earth has homosexual tendencies??? So Bears, Tigers, Snakes, and Eagles are homos? LMAO!!!!!! Exactly what dimension do you live in?

Statement one is mostly obvious, thanks for that captain. But I still lol at the world would be extinct part. There are creatures that are both sexes, and some that can actually change sexes, so no, the whole world wouldn't be extinct.

Statement two, it's not as cut and dried as that. They don't all mate for life with partners of the same sex. Dolphins are one of the few other species that have sex for pleasure, and guess what. Two males will have sex. You should really educate yourself before you talk **** to somebody who has vast knowledge of this. Here I'll drop you a little clue that got major media attention. Look up Buddy and Pedro, two endangered african penguins who despite being introduced to females in a breeding flock, still chose the company of each other. They now both have female mates and are breeding, but for the longest time, they stuck together if you know what I mean. I have many other examples of things like this, but you are too ignorant to believe me anyhow, so I'll advise you to use google and look them up for yourself that way you won't think that I'm making things up.

mike_noodles
05-01-2013, 11:12 AM
Don't feed the troll.

I made one last post in his direction and now I'm done with him.

DaBUU
05-01-2013, 11:13 AM
But more importantly, Jason Collins is bad at basketball

utl768
05-01-2013, 11:15 AM
But more importantly, Jason Collins is bad at basketball

exactly

TeamSeattle
05-01-2013, 11:19 AM
But more importantly, Jason Collins is bad at basketball

Yep.

Ray_R
05-01-2013, 11:21 AM
Are you straight? if so, are you attracted to every female you see?

No, but I would like to so as many females naked as humanly possible.

quikk
05-01-2013, 11:48 AM
Statement one is mostly obvious, thanks for that captain. But I still lol at the world would be extinct part. There are creatures that are both sexes, and some that can actually change sexes, so no, the whole world wouldn't be extinct.

Statement two, it's not as cut and dried as that. They don't all mate for life with partners of the same sex. Dolphins are one of the few other species that have sex for pleasure, and guess what. Two males will have sex. You should really educate yourself before you talk **** to somebody who has vast knowledge of this. Here I'll drop you a little clue that got major media attention. Look up Buddy and Pedro, two endangered african penguins who despite being introduced to females in a breeding flock, still chose the company of each other. They now both have female mates and are breeding, but for the longest time, they stuck together if you know what I mean. I have many other examples of things like this, but you are too ignorant to believe me anyhow, so I'll advise you to use google and look them up for yourself that way you won't think that I'm making things up.

well of course u do

quikk
05-01-2013, 11:52 AM
Don't feed the troll.

yes im a "troll" because i dont support homosexuality.....****in 2013 man i swear to god

MrfadeawayJB
05-01-2013, 12:13 PM
1. Can't the same be said about murderers or rapists? If the argument is that "their brains are wired differently", then you're about to give a pass to and sign off on A LOT of crazyness.

2. The problem is that the homosexuals are contradicting their very own argument by not accepting others "beliefs", "breeds", "opinions" for those are oppose to this unnatural behavior. If somebody says they don't support homosexuality and won't accept it as normal, they are labeled a "bigot"....yet when the homosexuals don't respect the opinions and traditions of anti-homosexual persons, they are committing the very same violation they complain about so much.

The truth is no specie in existence, most importantly humans, can have 2 members of the same sex reproduce life or have "natural" sex. 2 women don't even have the necessary resources to have sex. They have to use toys and other means of stimulation. The same goes for two homo men, they'd have to utilize options that were not designed for that use.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, whoever or whatever created the human race, did not design our bodies, our temples, for homosexual activity.

While homosexuality could be accepted or supported, it will never be natural.


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b@llhog24
05-01-2013, 12:14 PM
Guys a scrub, who cares?

MrfadeawayJB
05-01-2013, 12:15 PM
Statement one is mostly obvious, thanks for that captain. But I still lol at the world would be extinct part. There are creatures that are both sexes, and some that can actually change sexes, so no, the whole world wouldn't be extinct.

Statement two, it's not as cut and dried as that. They don't all mate for life with partners of the same sex. Dolphins are one of the few other species that have sex for pleasure, and guess what. Two males will have sex. You should really educate yourself before you talk **** to somebody who has vast knowledge of this. Here I'll drop you a little clue that got major media attention. Look up Buddy and Pedro, two endangered african penguins who despite being introduced to females in a breeding flock, still chose the company of each other. They now both have female mates and are breeding, but for the longest time, they stuck together if you know what I mean. I have many other examples of things like this, but you are too ignorant to believe me anyhow, so I'll advise you to use google and look them up for yourself that way you won't think that I'm making things up.

dude i think he is saying the human race would be extinct

Faneik
05-01-2013, 12:26 PM
part of me feels he did this because he sucks and this will give him great ammo for a lawsuit when no one signs him in the fall

no grounds for lawsuit.

most likely a book deal is on the way.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 12:51 PM
He's gay. He deserves all the celebration that's going on because he is a brave pioneer. The Hank Aaron of homosexuality. Boldly paving the way for all gay basketball players at the end of their completely underwhelming 3 point 3 rebound averaging scrub careers to come out the closet, get one more contract, and retire into a life of book deals, motivational speaking, and possible reality shows.

I salute him!

quikk
05-01-2013, 01:04 PM
He's gay. He deserves all the celebration that's going on because he is a brave pioneer. The Hank Aaron of homosexuality. Boldly paving the way for all gay basketball players at the end of their completely underwhelming 3 point 3 rebound averaging scrub careers to come out the closet, get one more contract, and retire into a life of book deals, motivational speaking, and possible reality shows.

I salute him!

you're lost

blams
05-01-2013, 01:05 PM
We joke on everything in here but when it cones to these gay topics you guys are all over it and serious about it. Hmm makes me wonder about ya.
So what?

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 01:07 PM
1. Can't the same be said about murderers or rapists? If the argument is that "their brains are wired differently", then you're about to give a pass to and sign off on A LOT of crazyness.

2. The problem is that the homosexuals are contradicting their very own argument by not accepting others "beliefs", "breeds", "opinions" for those are oppose to this unnatural behavior. If somebody says they don't support homosexuality and won't accept it as normal, they are labeled a "bigot"....yet when the homosexuals don't respect the opinions and traditions of anti-homosexual persons, they are committing the very same violation they complain about so much.

The truth is no specie in existence, most importantly humans, can have 2 members of the same sex reproduce life or have "natural" sex. 2 women don't even have the necessary resources to have sex. They have to use toys and other means of stimulation. The same goes for two homo men, they'd have to utilize options that were not designed for that use.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, whoever or whatever created the human race, did not design our bodies, our temples, for homosexual activity.

While homosexuality could be accepted or supported, it will never be natural.

You literally just compared two consenting adults in a relationship where NO ONE gets hurt to two situations where one person either gets brutally raped or murdered.... Yeah you're pathetic.

Also, your understanding and knowledge of BASIC biology that I learned my Freshman year of high school, is laughable at best. This has already been pointed out to you, but I thought you should know how utterly stupid you look laughing at documented facts.

blams
05-01-2013, 01:07 PM
1. Can't the same be said about murderers or rapists? If the argument is that "their brains are wired differently", then you're about to give a pass to and sign off on A LOT of crazyness.

2. The problem is that the homosexuals are contradicting their very own argument by not accepting others "beliefs", "breeds", "opinions" for those are oppose to this unnatural behavior. If somebody says they don't support homosexuality and won't accept it as normal, they are labeled a "bigot"....yet when the homosexuals don't respect the opinions and traditions of anti-homosexual persons, they are committing the very same violation they complain about so much.

The truth is no specie in existence, most importantly humans, can have 2 members of the same sex reproduce life or have "natural" sex. 2 women don't even have the necessary resources to have sex. They have to use toys and other means of stimulation. The same goes for two homo men, they'd have to utilize options that were not designed for that use.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, whoever or whatever created the human race, did not design our bodies, our temples, for homosexual activity.

While homosexuality could be accepted or supported, it will never be natural.


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Its just as natural as red hair. About 1 to 3 percent have red hair. About 3 to 9 percent are gay.

What is natural to you personally doesnt matter .

ciaban
05-01-2013, 01:12 PM
then let the mods ban that person. This is too big of a story to go ignored here just because some people are jerks.

what if it's not that big of a story because Collins is a bench player player who over the last 4 years has averaged less than 400 min, and hasn't been a starter in more than 5 years. He will probably be out of the league in a year or 2, considering the market for mid 30's centers isn't very high.

still1ballin
05-01-2013, 01:12 PM
do the LT

:dance:

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 01:14 PM
I knew this was going to happen.

These type of threads are never going to work on PSD.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 01:15 PM
you're lost

He is being called a pioneer, has been compared to Hank Aaron by the media, will more than likely get a contract, did average 3 and 3 for his career, and will more than likely get a book deal and do speaking when his career ends.

Facts.

Please inform what exactly I'm lost about?

Faneik
05-01-2013, 01:16 PM
Its just as natural as red hair. About 1 to 3 percent have red hair. About 3 to 9 percent are gay.

What is natural to you personally doesnt matter .

where did you get those numbers?

ciaban
05-01-2013, 01:17 PM
now, for my side, good on Collins for coming out. An adult who has feelings towards another adult, that is consensual, and harms no others, themselves included, should be able to act upon their feelings.

I still cannot completely comprehend how another male can love another male, or a female another female, but what is more incomprehensible to me, is how some people want to deny basic human rights to consenting adults, or two consenting people of the same age....Jason Collins IMO is a pioneer, who can help us better understand human nature.
I am so glad to see another person here who support polygamy, and can't wait until the first polygamist player comes out.

Exactly, we shouldn't deny the rights to consenting adults that i myself enjoy..

I don't think he is a pioneer though lol.

ThunderousDemon
05-01-2013, 01:21 PM
Some of these posters are stubborn as hell and have the IQ of a rock.

These things all add up to," you won't get anywhere with them".

The Ooh Child
05-01-2013, 01:25 PM
He's gay. He deserves all the celebration that's going on because he is a brave pioneer. The Hank Aaron of homosexuality. Boldly paving the way for all gay basketball players at the end of their completely underwhelming 3 point 3 rebound averaging scrub careers to come out the closet, get one more contract, and retire into a life of book deals, motivational speaking, and possible reality shows.

I salute him!

So do you not think that nothing bad has ever happened to anyone who has stayed in the closet due to social pressure? Is it fine that there are irrefutably numerous gay athletes who are afraid to be publicly honest about their sexual identities? Is their depression and anxiety really worth your feeling of comfort?

DumDum
05-01-2013, 01:25 PM
Google. Looked at about 4 or 5 sources, gra bed those numbers. My entire life common knowledge was that 10 percent are homosexual. So this was lower than I thought

My friend learned at indiana university that redheads are on pace to be non existent in 50-100 years. Closer to 50. So that is unnatural.

No more redheads :(

DumDum
05-01-2013, 01:27 PM
Is it just me or does Jason Collins sound like tiger woods

petersmagic12
05-01-2013, 01:45 PM
1. Can't the same be said about murderers or rapists? If the argument is that "their brains are wired differently", then you're about to give a pass to and sign off on A LOT of crazyness.
2. The problem is that the homosexuals are contradicting their very own argument by not accepting others "beliefs", "breeds", "opinions" for those are oppose to this unnatural behavior. If somebody says they don't support homosexuality and won't accept it as normal, they are labeled a "bigot"....yet when the homosexuals don't respect the opinions and traditions of anti-homosexual persons, they are committing the very same violation they complain about so much.

The truth is no specie in existence, most importantly humans, can have 2 members of the same sex reproduce life or have "natural" sex. 2 women don't even have the necessary resources to have sex. They have to use toys and other means of stimulation. The same goes for two homo men, they'd have to utilize options that were not designed for that use.

It doesn't matter what religion you believe in, whoever or whatever created the human race, did not design our bodies, our temples, for homosexual activity.

While homosexuality could be accepted or supported, it will never be natural.

I understand where your coming from but I have a problem with your comparisons.First off are insinuating that being a homosexual is as bad or severve as a murder or a rapist. Obviously one is breaking the law one isnt so I don't understand. Being wired differently can be looked as liking different music or sports. Being a murder or rapist obviously more severe. Because obviously being gay doesnt necessarily mean you murdered or raped someone. And for 2 homosexuals for the most part do accept people from other breeds and stuff thats why we have groups that support lesbians transgender and other groups so obviously homosexuals are more accepting then you think. They want to be seen as people and not labeled for their sexual beliefs. You say homosexuals are condricting themselves.
Another thing I have a problem with is that you are blaming homosexuals for bringing on the discrimination themselves. That they dont accept other peoples beliefs therefore they deserve what they get. When in reality I dont see homosexuals hanging or shooting, or degrading straight people. OR trying to convert straights into gays by making them go to quote"religious camps". I have problem if you dont agree with homosexuality but it should be tolerated and looked at as human rights. You may like the idea of interacial marriage but it should be allowed. You may not like a jewish person to marry someone out of their religion but it should be allowed to happen. We deny homosexuals basic rights and thats the problem.

sagj1
05-01-2013, 01:48 PM
At first I was .... cool... Jason came out. Not sure why in 2013 people have to announce that they are black and gay. Frankly, we shouldn't really care. I didn't have to announce I was a straight, black man. This issue is a bit more complicated than what most of us see on the surface, yet it is quite simple. Personally, I would be a bit uncomfortable in a locker room situation knowing there were gay men around. This is how society raised me. I'm fine when dealing with gays in other situations... at work, at parties, as guests at my home etc. Hell, I have two gay friends. Why do we have separate dressing rooms, toilets, showers, locker rooms etc. for men and women??? Yes it has something to do with the right to privacy. But on the most basic level, I believe it has something do with the attraction that men and women have for each. Unisex locker rooms are not the norm in today's society... and I'm good with that!! I would not want my 12 year old daughter sharing a sports locker room with 12 year old boys. I wouldn't want my wife sharing showers at the Equinox gym with men. This is how society raised me. How then can it be comfortable for straight men to share a locker room with gay men?? Frankly, I'd prefer not know you are gay, if we're going to be sharing locker rooms. This is how society raised me. So, its fine that Jason Collins is gay. But like former Knick, Larry Johnson, I'd be uncomfortable with sharing locker rooms with a man who may or may not be attracted to me. This is the same reason why men and women don't share locker rooms....

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 01:52 PM
So do you not think that nothing bad has ever happened to anyone who has stayed in the closet due to social pressure? Is it fine that there are irrefutably numerous gay athletes who are afraid to be publicly honest about their sexual identities? Is their depression and anxiety really worth your feeling of comfort?

Please tell me where any of that was said in my post? I stated the celebration of his coming out, his status as a player, and the probable outcome as a result of all this. I phrased it sarcastically but it is still true.

Now to your question do I think they have anxiety, depression, conflicted feelings and so forth? Of course! I would suspect any person living a secret life would.

But there's no need to put words in my mouth.

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 02:17 PM
Please tell me where any of that was said in my post? I stated the celebration of his coming out, his status as a player, and the probable outcome as a result of all this. I phrased it sarcastically but it is still true.

Now to your question do I think they have anxiety, depression, conflicted feelings and so forth? Of course! I would suspect any person living a secret life would.

But there's no need to put words in my mouth.

Even if he is going to write a book, who cares? You don't have to buy it and support his "agenda" of profiting and living a life of glory off of coming out publicly as you have made it seem he will. The book will be read by only those who care about the subject matter, and thus, the money he makes will be made off of people who essentially support him.

I am very curious as to your actual position because you appear to think this is simply a publicity stunt. Perhaps, just perhaps, people aren't always total *****? :)

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 02:22 PM
At first I was .... cool... Jason came out. Not sure why in 2013 people have to announce that they are black and gay. Frankly, we shouldn't really care. I didn't have to announce I was a straight, black man. This issue is a bit more complicated than what most of us see on the surface, yet it is quite simple. Personally, I would be a bit uncomfortable in a locker room situation knowing there were gay men around. This is how society raised me. I'm fine when dealing with gays in other situations... at work, at parties, as guests at my home etc. Hell, I have two gay friends. Why do we have separate dressing rooms, toilets, showers, locker rooms etc. for men and women??? Yes it has something to do with the right to privacy. But on the most basic level, I believe it has something do with the attraction that men and women have for each. Unisex locker rooms are not the norm in today's society... and I'm good with that!! I would not want my 12 year old daughter sharing a sports locker room with 12 year old boys. I wouldn't want my wife sharing showers at the Equinox gym with men. This is how society raised me. How then can it be comfortable for straight men to share a locker room with gay men?? Frankly, I'd prefer not know you are gay, if we're going to be sharing locker rooms. This is how society raised me. So, its fine that Jason Collins is gay. But like former Knick, Larry Johnson, I'd be uncomfortable with sharing locker rooms with a man who may or may not be attracted to me. This is the same reason why men and women don't share locker rooms....


This is only partially true. Differences in anatomy play a large role, as does the fact that a woman isn't equipped to physically defend herself against a man in the case of an altercation.

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 02:26 PM
This is only partially true. Differences in anatomy play a large role, as does the fact that a woman isn't equipped to physically defend herself against a man in the case of an altercation.

I honestly have never considered this a factor on the men vs. women locker room discussion, but that makes a lot of sense. Don't agree with the sentiment that a gay man in the locker room is a big deal (not saying you are here), but a potential physical altercation makes sense in separating men and women.

Mudvayne91
05-01-2013, 02:31 PM
At first I was .... cool... Jason came out. Not sure why in 2013 people have to announce that they are black and gay. Frankly, we shouldn't really care. I didn't have to announce I was a straight, black man. This issue is a bit more complicated than what most of us see on the surface, yet it is quite simple. Personally, I would be a bit uncomfortable in a locker room situation knowing there were gay men around. This is how society raised me. I'm fine when dealing with gays in other situations... at work, at parties, as guests at my home etc. Hell, I have two gay friends. Why do we have separate dressing rooms, toilets, showers, locker rooms etc. for men and women??? Yes it has something to do with the right to privacy. But on the most basic level, I believe it has something do with the attraction that men and women have for each. Unisex locker rooms are not the norm in today's society... and I'm good with that!! I would not want my 12 year old daughter sharing a sports locker room with 12 year old boys. I wouldn't want my wife sharing showers at the Equinox gym with men. This is how society raised me. How then can it be comfortable for straight men to share a locker room with gay men?? Frankly, I'd prefer not know you are gay, if we're going to be sharing locker rooms. This is how society raised me. So, its fine that Jason Collins is gay. But like former Knick, Larry Johnson, I'd be uncomfortable with sharing locker rooms with a man who may or may not be attracted to me. This is the same reason why men and women don't share locker rooms....
Plenty of universities as well as other institutions have co-ed showers/locker rooms. Although I disagree with your position vehemently, it's not like women and men can't or don't.

ThuglifeJ
05-01-2013, 02:34 PM
good, now RJ can come out.

ThuglifeJ
05-01-2013, 02:40 PM
At first I was .... cool... Jason came out. Not sure why in 2013 people have to announce that they are black and gay. Frankly, we shouldn't really care. I didn't have to announce I was a straight, black man.

Exactly how I feel. If we are all about being equal, why do we need a celebration for someone coming out. What bothers me about gay people is that many feel the need to flaunt that they are gay and proud and poor-us we aren't treated fairly. Our society has gone out of our way to make things more fair for homosexuals now..if you're gay, fine. But appreciate the fact that straight males/females don't come out to say we are straight, let's celebrate.
I don't understand how you can be born gay, with some sort of mysterious chemical imbalance..but someone tried to explain it's no different then some fetishes you have. I guess I could see that..maybe?

Mudvayne91
05-01-2013, 02:55 PM
Exactly how I feel. If we are all about being equal, why do we need a celebration for someone coming out. What bothers me about gay people is that many feel the need to flaunt that they are gay and proud and poor-us we aren't treated fairly. Our society has gone out of our way to make things more fair for homosexuals now..if you're gay, fine. But appreciate the fact that straight males/females don't come out to say we are straight, let's celebrate.
I don't understand how you can be born gay, with some sort of mysterious chemical ipmbalance..but someone tried to explain it's no different then some fetishes you have. I guess I could see that..maybe?
If you think gays are treated equally to straight, you're wrong. If you don't understand being gay or what they've gone or go through, that's fine too. However, since you don't understand, don't project why you think it is or isn't a big deal.

heyman321
05-01-2013, 02:59 PM
Exactly how I feel. If we are all about being equal, why do we need a celebration for someone coming out. What bothers me about gay people is that many feel the need to flaunt that they are gay and proud and poor-us we aren't treated fairly. Our society has gone out of our way to make things more fair for homosexuals now..if you're gay, fine. But appreciate the fact that straight males/females don't come out to say we are straight, let's celebrate.
I don't understand how you can be born gay, with some sort of mysterious chemical imbalance..but someone tried to explain it's no different then some fetishes you have. I guess I could see that..maybe?

Lmao are you serious? There is huge prejudice against gays, especially in the United States.

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 03:02 PM
Exactly how I feel. If we are all about being equal, why do we need a celebration for someone coming out. What bothers me about gay people is that many feel the need to flaunt that they are gay and proud and poor-us we aren't treated fairly. Our society has gone out of our way to make things more fair for homosexuals now..if you're gay, fine. But appreciate the fact that straight males/females don't come out to say we are straight, let's celebrate.
I don't understand how you can be born gay, with some sort of mysterious chemical imbalance..but someone tried to explain it's no different then some fetishes you have. I guess I could see that..maybe?

Just like society went out of its way to make it more "fair" for the African-American population in the 60's, right? We should probably stop before the gays get to uppity with all of their human rights. :rolleyes:

I really can't stand when people say "well straight people don't announce to the world they are straight, so why is this a big deal." You wanna know why it's a big deal? Because friends, family, and loved ones are not disowning literal children for being straight. Straight people are not denied basic rights that every married couple is afforded. Straight people are not literally judged on a daily basis by people who are either living in 1930 still or listen to a book about an imaginary deity that judges and punishes the masses for his colossal ****-ups. The fact that people lack perspective on this issue is infuriating.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 03:12 PM
Even if he is going to write a book, who cares? You don't have to buy it and support his "agenda" of profiting and living a life of glory off of coming out publicly as you have made it seem he will. The book will be read by only those who care about the subject matter, and thus, the money he makes will be made off of people who essentially support him.

I am very curious as to your actual position because you appear to think this is simply a publicity stunt. Perhaps, just perhaps, people aren't always total *****? :)


"Agenda" "publicity stunt?" Again not my words. He said "I'm a black man and Im gay." I believe he is black, and I believe he is gay. ( Why he had to throw "Im black" in there is a entirely different discussion btw).

But as to my position after seeing his interview on TNT last night he seems like a sincere genuine dude that wanted to get this off his chest, and inspire others to do so. I don't doubt that at all. He's also a Stanford grad that seems very intelligent and astute. That being said is it not fair to say that he may have at least been vaguely aware that his coming out party could possibly have some career and financial benefits? Is it also possible that he may have been vaguely aware of the timing as to out himself right before free agency? A free agency where teams were more than likely going to pass on him? Because in reality the last time before this that I had a conversation about Collins it was this in it's entirety: "that bum is still in the league?" Lots of people felt that way.

Do you think he may have just been aware that we are at the age of an all time high of homosexual acceptance? When to say anything remotely perceived as anti-gay brings instant criticism and homophobic/ignorant/biggot labels? Look at the responses in this thread for your proof of that.

Again I'm not taking away or minimizing the potential negative repercussions that come from his gay announcement either, I'm sure there are many. But aren't those fair questions?

So I'm not saying he had a agenda or came out just for the benefits but to say that he wasn't aware of those things mentioned is totally niave.

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 03:28 PM
"Agenda" "publicity stunt?" Again not my words. He said "I'm a black man and Im gay." I believe he is black, and I believe he is gay. ( Why he had to throw "Im black" in there is a entirely different discussion btw).

But as to my position after seeing his interview on TNT last night he seems like a sincere genuine dude that wanted to get this off his chest, and inspire others to do so. I don't doubt that at all. He's also a Stanford grad that seems very intelligent and astute. That being said is it not fair to say that he may have at least been vaguely aware that his coming out party could possibly have some career and financial benefits? Is it also possible that he may have been vaguely aware of the timing as to out himself right before free agency? A free agency where teams were more than likely going to pass on him? Because in reality the last time before this that I had a conversation about Collins it was this in it's entirety: "that bum is still in the league?" Lots of people felt that way.

Do you think he may have just been aware that we are at the age of an all time high of homosexual acceptance? When to say anything remotely perceived as anti-gay brings instant criticism and homophobic/ignorant/biggot labels? Look at the responses in this thread for your proof of that.

Again I'm not taking away or minimizing the potential negative repercussions that come from his gay announcement either, I'm sure there are many. But aren't those fair questions?

So I'm not saying he had a agenda or came out just for the benefits but to say that he wasn't aware of those things mentioned is totally niave.

Those are valid questions to be asking. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, simply interpret through the sarcasm which is why I carefully used the words "seem" and "appear". I think ultimately though, the questions you are asking have very little effect on the overall scope of this. I'm sure he knew that there would be inherent benefits by being the first player to come out, especially being at the tail end of his career. However by the same token, there are also inherent "dangers" or negative fallout that will come from this. It's a double-edged sword.

We are at a point in our history where we are seeing more support for the LGBT community as a whole than ever before, and I personally believe that a TON of good can come from something like this. Some people will perceive this as selfish, and maybe it is a little bit deep down, but I have a hard time believing the idea that he is doing this for exorbitant profit and fame (not you, just in general). This has the potential to be a GREAT thing for those who do have to hide who they are for various reasons out of fear.

Pedroia
05-01-2013, 03:48 PM
I don't know who Jason Collins is and I don't care that he is gay.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 03:51 PM
Those are valid questions to be asking. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, simply interpret through the sarcasm which is why I carefully used the words "seem" and "appear". I think ultimately though, the questions you are asking have very little effect on the overall scope of this. I'm sure he knew that there would be inherent benefits by being the first player to come out, especially being at the tail end of his career. However by the same token, there are also inherent "dangers" or negative fallout that will come from this. It's a double-edged sword.

We are at a point in our history where we are seeing more support for the LGBT community as a whole than ever before, and I personally believe that a TON of good can come from something like this. Some people will perceive this as selfish, and maybe it is a little bit deep down, but I have a hard time believing the idea that he is doing this for exorbitant profit and fame (not you, just in general). This has the potential to be a GREAT thing for those who do have to hide who they are for various reasons out of fear.


For those outside of sports that are just afraid to come out, perhaps. For those in sports I don't think so because of who he is. It's easy to come out and praise the Jason Collins of the world because it's like: you're gay? Ok congrats but we probably didn't want you on the team anyway. It's not like he has endorcements to jeopardize, jersey sales to be impacted, or even a team that will be scrutinized. So basically everyone can just say that's great man more power to you or even who cares!

Now when an actual star comes out, not even a superstar or allstar, but a really good player in high demand.... Say a Chandler Parsons for example..... THAT to me will be a big deal because now is when the conversation really begins. Now we see how his teamates react, how the fans react, what sort of trash talking will his opponents give, will the league fine or suspend players if they call him the "F" word to get in his head?

That I don't see happening any time soon......

koberulesall
05-01-2013, 03:58 PM
it really isnt that big of a story or deal who cares......

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 04:10 PM
I love how people are saying this isn't a big deal.

Mikeleafs
05-01-2013, 04:34 PM
I love how people are saying this isn't a big deal.

Imagine what little kids are saying now "Daddy, daddy what is gay?"

"Well son, its when a man and another man love eachother and sleep in the same bed"

My problem with this is that little kids will start to think its normal and may think this is the right way to be...

Its good for him that Jason Collins came out but other people don't need to know he likes it in the ***!!

Sexual preference should NOT be talked about, same as religion and politics!

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 04:41 PM
Imagine what little kids are saying now "Daddy, daddy what is gay?"

"Well son, its when a man and another man love eachother and sleep in the same bed"

My problem with this is that little kids will start to think its normal and may think this is the right way to be...

Its good for him that Jason Collins came out but other people don't need to know he likes it in the ***!!

Sexual preference should NOT be talked about, same as religion and politics!

Why should it not be talked about? And you don't know that he likes it there. Stop being so closed minded.


You really think that kids will think that is normal when they come from heterosexual parents and most (if not all) of their friends parents are heterosexual? People don't just decide to be gay like they decide to buy a shirt because its trendy. You are really making yourself look bad with this one.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 04:51 PM
Homosexuality doesn't need support. Homosexuals just want to be treated equally to heterosexuals, they could care less about who agrees with them they just want what everyone else has already. If they had that, then they wouldn't have to come out.

Kings Faithful
05-01-2013, 04:59 PM
Homosexuality doesn't need support. Homosexuals just want to be treated equally to heterosexuals, they could care less about who agrees with them they just want what everyone else has already. If they had that, then they wouldn't have to come out.

They are treated equally under the law. The goal of the movement is to force me and people like me to accept that lifestyle. I could honestly care less that he's gay, he can do whatever he wants...this is america. Making a big ol' scene of it though is ridiculous imo.

ewing
05-01-2013, 05:00 PM
Are you straight? if so, are you attracted to every female you see?


you mean the the young ones with hard bodies who hit the gym everyday? Well not all of them

jp611
05-01-2013, 05:00 PM
I really liked what Doc Rivers said about the whole thing, because he's right... This shouldn't be a story, but due to the ignorance of a lot of Americans (as you have seen in this thread, and the other thread) it's going to be a story because people won't accept the fact that this isn't a choice and you are born this way.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 05:05 PM
Homosexuality doesn't need support. Homosexuals just want to be treated equally to heterosexuals, they could care less about who agrees with them they just want what everyone else has already. If they had that, then they wouldn't have to come out.



That's not exactly true. Heterosexuals can get made fun of and not get offended by it. You can disagree with a heterosexuals lifestyle without it being made a huge big deal. A gay person can see a man and woman kissing and say "thats gross" without being accused of being hateful or ignorant (as evidenced by numerous shows in the media)....etc

I get that gays want to have fair treatment but everytime someone says they don't agree with homosexuality and GLAAD and everyone gets all up in arms it kind of belittles their argument. It's like whenever anything remotely racist happens and Pimpin Al Sharpton comes out black people just shake their heads like "come on man you making us look bad!"

Snakeyestx
05-01-2013, 05:11 PM
Uh.. it's NOT too big to ignore.

Ignore it.

It's that simple ... people make a big deal out of this because people WANT to make a big deal out of it. If someone holds a press conference and admits to being gay, society should simply reply "...and?"

People want to fight for social equality, and I'm okay with that - don't make a public display about it - just go about your business. "Coming out" was so 1990's, and no one should care about it in this day and age. :yawn:

Quite simply put ... it shouldn't be a big deal until a sexual harassment suit is pending - if it never comes to that and they keep their private lives out of the locker room towards un-reciprocating teammates, then it doesn't even matter.

Cromedome
05-01-2013, 05:24 PM
yup, seems a lot of people weirded out by gay athlete seem to think that that athlete would be checking him out if they were in the shower together...get over yourselves, not everyone is attracted to you.

I've seen some pretty ugly girls with a great rack. If I showered with an ugly girl with a great rack....I'd enjoy the hell out of that rack.

Cromedome
05-01-2013, 05:30 PM
A little off-topic but has anyone ever been in a work or school setting where 1 of your friends/co-workers says to you....hey...did you see so and so in that tight dress? Damn she was looking hot today. I wouldn't mind getting up in that.

Wouldn't it be a little strange if that same co-worker/friend came up to you and said...hey, did you see Jimmy in those jeans today? Damn, he was looking hot...you know what I'm saying, bro?

Sorry bro, I don't.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 05:34 PM
They are treated equally under the law. The goal of the movement is to force me and people like me to accept that lifestyle. I could honestly care less that he's gay, he can do whatever he wants...this is america. Making a big ol' scene of it though is ridiculous imo.

They absolutely are not treated equally under the law. Marriage for one, and then everything that stems from that.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 05:35 PM
A little off-topic but has anyone ever been in a work or school setting where 1 of your friends/co-workers says to you....hey...did you see so and so in that tight dress? Damn she was looking hot today. I wouldn't mind getting up in that.

Wouldn't it be a little strange if that same co-worker/friend came up to you and said...hey, did you see Jimmy in those jeans today? Damn, he was looking hot...you know what I'm saying, bro?

Sorry bro, I don't.

There would be no reason for your homosexual co-worker to say that to you since it is assumed that you are not gay.

Dankster
05-01-2013, 05:40 PM
A little off-topic but has anyone ever been in a work or school setting where 1 of your friends/co-workers says to you....hey...did you see so and so in that tight dress? Damn she was looking hot today. I wouldn't mind getting up in that.

Wouldn't it be a little strange if that same co-worker/friend came up to you and said...hey, did you see Jimmy in those jeans today? Damn, he was looking hot...you know what I'm saying, bro?

Sorry bro, I don't.

What exactly are you trying to say here?

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 05:41 PM
That's not exactly true. Heterosexuals can get made fun of and not get offended by it. You can disagree with a heterosexuals lifestyle without it being made a huge big deal. A gay person can see a man and woman kissing and say "thats gross" without being accused of being hateful or ignorant (as evidenced by numerous shows in the media)....etc

I get that gays want to have fair treatment but everytime someone says they don't agree with homosexuality and GLAAD and everyone gets all up in arms it kind of belittles their argument. It's like whenever anything remotely racist happens and Pimpin Al Sharpton comes out black people just shake their heads like "come on man you making us look bad!"

This is key. Homosexuals don't disagree with hetero lifestyle, it's just not for them. You will never find someone speaking out against heterosexuality. So why does it have to go the other way?

Cromedome
05-01-2013, 05:42 PM
There would be no reason for your homosexual co-worker to say that to you since it is assumed that you are not gay.

So the homosexual co-worker is missing out on the bonding experience? That's sad indeed.

I remember working a job and on day 2...a co-worker asked me "would you?" ...and I knew exactly what/who he was talking about.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 05:45 PM
So the homosexual co-worker is missing out on the bonding experience? That's sad indeed.

I remember working a job and on day 2...a co-worker asked me "would you?" ...and I knew exactly what/who he was talking about.

To be honest, whether the worker is straight or gay makes no difference, you shouldn't be talking like that in the workplace about co-workers. So he was out of line, and still would be if he was straight.

Cromedome
05-01-2013, 05:45 PM
To be honest, whether the worker is straight or gay makes no difference, you shouldn't be talking like that in the workplace about co-workers. So he was out of line, and still would be if he was straight.

Forget the workplace...this happens EVERYWHERE!

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Forget the workplace...this happens EVERYWHERE!

Okay.....and....?

Cromedome
05-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Okay.....and....?

Like I said...wouldn't it be a little strange for a stranger (like It happens ALL THE TIME) to start a conversation with you about how hot the Manager Jimmy is looking today?

SportsFanatic10
05-01-2013, 06:13 PM
This is key. Homosexuals don't disagree with hetero lifestyle, it's just not for them. You will never find someone speaking out against heterosexuality. So why does it have to go the other way?

because it goes against the way things are supposed to be. the butthole wasn't designed for things to go in it that's not its function, and obviously two guys can't have children. you don't see two male animals trying to mate, it just goes against nature. so of course they can't speak out against that...it's just the way things are.

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 07:04 PM
They are treated equally under the law. The goal of the movement is to force me and people like me to accept that lifestyle. I could honestly care less that he's gay, he can do whatever he wants...this is america. Making a big ol' scene of it though is ridiculous imo.

What fantasy land are you living in? The United States that I live in does no such thing. Unless of course Fox news is your main source of news and information.... then I can see why you would think that way. Also, its difficult to do "whatever he wants" when the law forbids a man from simply visiting his partner in the hospital if something horrible happens. But yeah, all treated equal under the law right?

The majority of them do not want or need the acceptance from people who disagree with it, they simply want to be treated equally under the law. That's what this is about. Either you haven't been actually paying attention and sticking to preconceived notions about our society, or you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what this movement is meant to accomplish.

Mudvayne91
05-01-2013, 07:08 PM
you mean the the young ones with hard bodies who hit the gym everyday? Well not all of them

How young is young?

TheIlladelph16
05-01-2013, 07:14 PM
For those outside of sports that are just afraid to come out, perhaps. For those in sports I don't think so because of who he is. It's easy to come out and praise the Jason Collins of the world because it's like: you're gay? Ok congrats but we probably didn't want you on the team anyway. It's not like he has endorcements to jeopardize, jersey sales to be impacted, or even a team that will be scrutinized. So basically everyone can just say that's great man more power to you or even who cares!

Now when an actual star comes out, not even a superstar or allstar, but a really good player in high demand.... Say a Chandler Parsons for example..... THAT to me will be a big deal because now is when the conversation really begins. Now we see how his teamates react, how the fans react, what sort of trash talking will his opponents give, will the league fine or suspend players if they call him the "F" word to get in his head?

That I don't see happening any time soon......

There is no disagreement in the overall sentiment here. Of course the stakes are lower for a guy like Jason Collins, than say if Kevin Love were to come out. He doesn't have to risk endorsements (which I don't think would happen for PR reasons anyway) or the overall negative reaction from some fans and players that a star might have to. The fact that he did do this though, as the first "active" player to do so, does take some cojones, no? There are some ****ed up people out there, and even the small public spectrum he is still on at this point would still make me wary of doing something like that if I was in his position.

I also agree that when a star finally does this, it will be a much bigger deal. However, progress in this fashion is something like those incredible domino structures you see people build. One seemingly insignificant domino sparks a chain reaction that takes down the entire structure. A star will eventually come out... This is the first step.

jp611
05-01-2013, 07:29 PM
A little off-topic but has anyone ever been in a work or school setting where 1 of your friends/co-workers says to you....hey...did you see so and so in that tight dress? Damn she was looking hot today. I wouldn't mind getting up in that.

Wouldn't it be a little strange if that same co-worker/friend came up to you and said...hey, did you see Jimmy in those jeans today? Damn, he was looking hot...you know what I'm saying, bro?

Sorry bro, I don't.

Well ya know, gays just don't go around telling heterosexual makes about guys they would like to get with

How come people act like the gay community cannot control themselves in public, but heterosexuals are just fine out in public?

jp611
05-01-2013, 07:30 PM
Like I said...wouldn't it be a little strange for a stranger (like It happens ALL THE TIME) to start a conversation with you about how hot the Manager Jimmy is looking today?

It would be strange if a stranger said that to me about Janice, even if she was smoking hot

blams
05-01-2013, 07:34 PM
A little off-topic but has anyone ever been in a work or school setting where 1 of your friends/co-workers says to you....hey...did you see so and so in that tight dress? Damn she was looking hot today. I wouldn't mind getting up in that.

Wouldn't it be a little strange if that same co-worker/friend came up to you and said...hey, did you see Jimmy in those jeans today? Damn, he was looking hot...you know what I'm saying, bro?

Sorry bro, I don't.

Well ya know, gays just don't go around telling heterosexual makes about guys they would like to get with

How come people act like the gay community cannot control themselves in public, but heterosexuals are just fine out in public?
Im also sick of idiots referring to it as a lifestyle choice. You are born that way.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 07:36 PM
This is key. Homosexuals don't disagree with hetero lifestyle, it's just not for them. You will never find someone speaking out against heterosexuality. So why does it have to go the other way?



Ok think about this: ever heard of "locker room talk?" It's called that for a reason because it's pretty much the last place on earth you can be totally politically incorrect and say whatever the hell you want. Sex stories of female conquest, cursing, N words, "F" words and gay jokes are not uncommon at all. It's pretty much no holds barred it's like a Richard Pryor standup.

Do you really think they would be able to speak the same way with an openly gay player there? They should be able to if he wants to be treated just like all the rest of the guys right?

jp611
05-01-2013, 07:40 PM
Well, it's wrong to make gay jokes... So yes, they should stop that activity as they are adults

jp611
05-01-2013, 07:43 PM
And before you say something like, well they've been saying it for years why should they have to change?

Well we had slavery and segregation for years as well, we shouldn't have changed that either with that type of mentality

Societies evolve... Not sure why people can't understand this simple concept

Knicks21
05-01-2013, 07:45 PM
I swear some of you talk like he is a revolutionist.

A pioneer? This guy isnt a luther king jnr or a mother teresa, its Jason Collins, a gay athlete.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 07:57 PM
Well, it's wrong to make gay jokes... So yes, they should stop that activity as they are adults


I'll just assume you've never been in a locker room man. I'll give you a hint, this isn't the office. There's no Human Resources.....

I'll just suffice to say whether you think gay jokes or ok or not that's what happens. You see a guy listening to Celine Dion before the game and guys are going to crack jokes.

So now what? Should they be punished? Fined?

jp611
05-01-2013, 08:09 PM
Okay, then I will crack jokes about blacks, and continue to belittle and demean their entire race, is that okay?

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 08:21 PM
Okay, then I will crack jokes about blacks, and continue to belittle and demean their entire race, is that okay?



Sure, be my guest and let me know how that works out for you. But in the meantime you do get the concept that the locker room isn't regular PC society and whether you like it or not alot of offensive things get said in there right? I swear Im not making this up!

jp611
05-01-2013, 08:27 PM
Sure, be my guest and let me know how that works out for you. But in the meantime you do get the concept that the locker room isn't regular PC society and whether you like it or not alot of offensive things get said in there right? I swear Im not making this up!

Oh I know, I've played sports

I was a part of that culture too at one point, my main point is... It SHOULD NOT be that way... We as a society need to change that type of thinking because its wrong... It's the SAME exact thing as discriminating against someone for their skin color

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 08:36 PM
I'm just tired of it being thrown in my face.... look I really don't care what you do in the bedroom, I really don't thats your thing and do it, if a gay person can do the job honestly and is the best one for it, then hire the man BUT DON"T MAKE ME SAY THAT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS OK IF I HAVE MORALS AGAINST GAY BEHAVIOR!
I have no malice against the person but I will not accept the behavior as ok and I will not allow my kids to be taught that its ok. I can accept you, why can't you accept me?

jp611
05-01-2013, 08:40 PM
I'm just tired of it being thrown in my face.... look I really don't care what you do in the bedroom, I really don't thats your thing and do it, if a gay person can do the job honestly and is the best one for it, then hire the man BUT DON"T MAKE ME SAY THAT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS OK IF I HAVE MORALS AGAINST GAY BEHAVIOR!
I have no malice against the person but I will not accept the behavior as ok and I will not allow my kids to be taught that its ok. I can accept you, why can't you accept me?

What if your child is gay?

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 08:52 PM
People here just throw their stereotypes of homosexuals out there in a hypothetical situation and say "What if this happens?" when the odds are so small its not even worth considering.

How about this: If you have a gay teammate, don't make gay jokes around him. You could even go as far as making a promise that there wont be any gay jokes as long as he doesnt make people uncomfortable in the locker room.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 08:55 PM
I'm just tired of it being thrown in my face.... look I really don't care what you do in the bedroom, I really don't thats your thing and do it, if a gay person can do the job honestly and is the best one for it, then hire the man BUT DON"T MAKE ME SAY THAT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS OK IF I HAVE MORALS AGAINST GAY BEHAVIOR!
I have no malice against the person but I will not accept the behavior as ok and I will not allow my kids to be taught that its ok. I can accept you, why can't you accept me?

Your morals have nothing to do with another person's life. No one is trying to get you to be gay. You are obviously not accepting of them. Live and let live man.

blams
05-01-2013, 08:57 PM
I'm just tired of it being thrown in my face.... look I really don't care what you do in the bedroom, I really don't thats your thing and do it, if a gay person can do the job honestly and is the best one for it, then hire the man BUT DON"T MAKE ME SAY THAT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS OK IF I HAVE MORALS AGAINST GAY BEHAVIOR!
I have no malice against the person but I will not accept the behavior as ok and I will not allow my kids to be taught that its ok. I can accept you, why can't you accept me?
You are born gay. I know of two guys that are gay that attempted to kill themselves. Thank god that didn't pan out. They were repressing it because of people that don't accept it, are bigots, and/or view it as a lifestyle.
It is the same as being straight. ..except you're gay.
Oh, and if youre Christian, gtfo because if homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't matter because everyone is a sinner.

I was raised Christian btw and that belief (to be bigoted towards gays )is 100 percent ********. What about all of the other **** in the bible? Slavery? Beating? Etc..."OH its my belief..." **** that .

What about thou shall not judge?

It's simply picking and choosing and it leads to nothing but being a bad person. It's you, not your religion. The religion is an excuse for bigotry for MANY.

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 08:57 PM
Oh I know, I've played sports

I was a part of that culture too at one point, my main point is... It SHOULD NOT be that way... We as a society need to change that type of thinking because its wrong... It's the SAME exact thing as discriminating against someone for their skin color

Actually it's not but that's another topic.

But my question to you is: we all know its not right, that's no big secret, but that's how it is.

So you're the commissioner and you know gay jokes are being said and a really good gay player is coming in the league. What's your solution?

ciaban
05-01-2013, 09:11 PM
I love how people are saying this isn't a big deal.

probably because it's not that big of a deal, we might not know what he goes through having team mates know he is gay, because he might not be on a team next year.

He is a scrub, that's what makes this such a little deal.

I live in the SF Gay area, i have friends and coworkers who are gay, and i care about their sex life about as much as i care about yours.

This isn't a big deal on really any level.

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 09:11 PM
You are born gay. I know of two guys that are gay that attempted to kill themselves. Thank god that didn't pan out. They were repressing it because of people that don't accept it, are bigots, and/or view it as a lifestyle.
It is the same as being straight. ..except you're gay.
Oh, and if youre Christian, gtfo because if homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't matter because everyone is a sinner.

I was raised Christian btw and that belief (to be bigoted towards gays )is 100 percent ********. What about all of the other **** in the bible? Slavery? Beating? Etc..."OH its my belief..." **** that .

What about thou shall not judge?

It's simply picking and choosing and it leads to nothing but being a bad person. It's you, not your religion. The religion is an excuse for bigotry for MANY.


Your born gay huh? What about all of those people who marry a women, have sex with her and then go to a man, and then back to a women? What was he? Born Straight? Gay? Or just chooses to screw anything that makes his junk tingle?

None of you who bashed me even tried to answer my question, all you did was call me names (typical of someone who can't win an argument) so I will pose it again: Churches are not stopping gay people from working, playing basketball, holding public office or what ever just because they are gay... there position is that if they are best for the job they should have it, yet you all insult christians when we believe that sex is for procreation of life in loving family between a man and woman in holiness to raise children to grow up and be productive moral members of society- yet all of you TOLERANT church bashers can't respect that opinion. So why the double standard? and why am I evil and called of of those names for standing for what I feel is morally right? I thought we all had the same rights and freedoms of speech and RELIGION?

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 09:15 PM
You are born gay. I know of two guys that are gay that attempted to kill themselves. Thank god that didn't pan out. They were repressing it because of people that don't accept it, are bigots, and/or view it as a lifestyle.
It is the same as being straight. ..except you're gay.
Oh, and if youre Christian, gtfo because if homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't matter because everyone is a sinner.

I was raised Christian btw and that belief (to be bigoted towards gays )is 100 percent ********. What about all of the other **** in the bible? Slavery? Beating? Etc..."OH its my belief..." **** that .

What about thou shall not judge?

It's simply picking and choosing and it leads to nothing but being a bad person. It's you, not your religion. The religion is an excuse for bigotry for MANY.

Frankly what you do in your bedroom is your business, just don't force me accept it as ok. Why discriminate those who are trying to live morals?

Tymathee
05-01-2013, 09:19 PM
Don't care, good for him, he's gay, can we stop talking about it now? Will there be a time in this country where we have to declare whether we are gay or straight? I mean seriously, I'm sick of the interviews, stories and "brave" "courageous" talk

Whenever you do something that most people applaud or are encouraging, it's not brave.

Its like the Boston bombing, it's horrible yes but more people die weekly in Chicago than did in that bombing, that deserves more press

300 people died in a building collapse in bangladesh and the ones that survived are now jobless

100 people died in texas, and those that survived? they're not jobless

Most those people in Boston that may have been affected, their lives will go on as normal, i feel sad for the people that died and that got injured but it's not as big of a story as they made it out to be and Boston is no braver or courageous or greater than any other city, it's stupid fluff talk from people trying to make themselves look good in the face of a tragedy and it makes me sick, the president included (and i voted for him)

blams
05-01-2013, 09:25 PM
You are born gay. I know of two guys that are gay that attempted to kill themselves. Thank god that didn't pan out. They were repressing it because of people that don't accept it, are bigots, and/or view it as a lifestyle.
It is the same as being straight. ..except you're gay.
Oh, and if youre Christian, gtfo because if homosexuality is a sin, that doesn't matter because everyone is a sinner.

I was raised Christian btw and that belief (to be bigoted towards gays )is 100 percent ********. What about all of the other **** in the bible? Slavery? Beating? Etc..."OH its my belief..." **** that .

What about thou shall not judge?

It's simply picking and choosing and it leads to nothing but being a bad person. It's you, not your religion. The religion is an excuse for bigotry for MANY.

Frankly what you do in your bedroom is your business, just don't force me accept as ok. Why discriminate those who are trying to live morals?
Being born homosexual isnt immoral, and science has all but proven that homosexuality isnt a decision.

So youre born that way. Many hide it, try it, and hide it again. Many never come out.

If you're Christian and its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're born a hetero or a homo, what would you say then. Didn't god make them? Cmon meow.
I'm intolerant of those who are intolerant.
.what if your kid is gay?

titan85
05-01-2013, 09:26 PM
Okay 1 people have their right to choose what they want to do- 'Merica
2- if somebody does not agree with somebody's lifestyle they ARE allowed to voice it. I got in A fight with my uncle (who is gay) because he nearly got into a fight because somebody voiced his opinion...

You cannot ask for tolerance and then be intolerant of intolerance. It's contradicting. That being said cant we all just get along and go put North Korea in it's place?

blams
05-01-2013, 09:28 PM
Okay 1 people have their right to choose what they want to do- 'Merica
2- if somebody does not agree with somebody's lifestyle they ARE allowed to voice it. I got I. A fight with my uncle (who is gay) because he nearly got into a fight because somebody voiced his opinion...

You cannot ask for tolerance and then be intolerant of intolerance. It's contradicting. That being said cant we all just get along and go put some North Koreain it's place?
It isnt hypocritical. You can voice your beliefs. It doesn't mean that people are going to say'well I respect your belief and here is mine'

titan85
05-01-2013, 09:32 PM
It isnt hypocritical. You can voice your beliefs. It doesn't mean that people are going to say'well I respect your belief and here is mine'

You misunderstood me. I AM saying people can voice their opinion, but lets say my uncle asks others to be tolerant of his decision, then he should be tolerant of their opinions. Nobody should bash one way or the other. You can say your opinion but an opinion should not be "you are wrong I hope you die," etc

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 09:37 PM
Okay 1 people have their right to choose what they want to do- 'Merica
2- if somebody does not agree with somebody's lifestyle they ARE allowed to voice it. I got in A fight with my uncle (who is gay) because he nearly got into a fight because somebody voiced his opinion...

You cannot ask for tolerance and then be intolerant of intolerance. It's contradicting. That being said cant we all just get along and go put North Korea in it's place?

It's not contradicting. People who are intolerant of homosexuals are prejudiced against someone for something that they cannot control. I am intolerant of people who are prejudiced because they choose not to think.

titan85
05-01-2013, 09:38 PM
Oh maybe you did understand. And this is what civil people do because anywhere else in the world (for the most part) none of this talking would be acceptable. Regardless like i originally posted, WHO CARES? The only reason I was even remotely interested in even this thread is because I had no idea who Jason collins was...

blams
05-01-2013, 09:42 PM
It isnt hypocritical. You can voice your beliefs. It doesn't mean that people are going to say'well I respect your belief and here is mine'

You misunderstood me. I AM saying people can voice their opinion, but lets say my uncle asks others to be tolerant of his decision, then he should be tolerant of their opinions. Nobody should bash one way or the other. You can say your opinion but an opinion should not be "you are wrong I hope you die," etc
Normally I would agree but this is an exception. Being discriminatory is disgusting.

KnickaBocka.44
05-01-2013, 09:42 PM
probably because it's not that big of a deal, we might not know what he goes through having team mates know he is gay, because he might not be on a team next year.

He is a scrub, that's what makes this such a little deal.

I live in the SF Gay area, i have friends and coworkers who are gay, and i care about their sex life about as much as i care about yours.

This isn't a big deal on really any level.

It doesn't matter if he is a scrub. He is almost definitely going to be signed by a team for next season, if for no other reason than to send a good message about the league being accepting. I'm not saying that he is a pioneer or anything, but to be the first to be open while being active in a sport takes a certain amount of courage and I applaud him for that.

You live in SF, that is probably why it isn't a big deal for you at all. However, there aren't many places in the country that are so accepting. Not to mention the world of sports and the black community which, traditionally, are even less accepting of homosexuals.

jp611
05-01-2013, 09:45 PM
Actually it's not but that's another topic.

But my question to you is: we all know its not right, that's no big secret, but that's how it is.

So you're the commissioner and you know gay jokes are being said and a really good gay player is coming in the league. What's your solution?

Absolutely nothing

But if they can't act like adults then shame on them... A lot of NBA players are coming out in support of him though... And more then half the population supports same sex marriage... I know my group of friends has quit using those deragatory terms because we are supportive of the movement

jp611
05-01-2013, 09:48 PM
It's not contradicting. People who are intolerant of homosexuals are prejudiced against someone for something that they cannot control. I am intolerant of people who are prejudiced because they choose not to think.

You're my new favorite poster

titan85
05-01-2013, 09:48 PM
It's not contradicting. People who are intolerant of homosexuals are prejudiced against someone for something that they cannot control. I am intolerant of people who are prejudiced because they choose not to think.

As much as I'd agree with that last part 1) you say they lack the capacity to reason and choose not to think, but you arguing with such a person KNOWING this about them doesn't help your cause. You know that's how they are, so why bother? Beating a dead horse is not considered intelligent by any means.

To clarify, I feel the same way, but i understand them enough to know they personally will (likely) not change.

blams
05-01-2013, 09:49 PM
it's not contradicting. People who are intolerant of homosexuals are prejudiced against someone for something that they cannot control. I am intolerant of people who are prejudiced because they choose not to think.

you're my new favorite poster
x2

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 09:53 PM
Absolutely nothing


But if they can't act like adults then shame on them... A lot of NBA players are coming out in support of him though... And more then half the population supports same sex marriage... I know my group of friends has quit using those deragatory terms because we are supportive of the movement

That's pretty much my point. Sounds cliche but it is what it is.

Also don't think that they're aren't a lot of players that aren't exactly jumping for joy over Collins coming out either. Chris Paul for one just completely blew off the question with a "no comment." Plus the reporters are saying there's lots of players that said they don't agree with homosexuality off the record but wouldn't dream of saying it publicly because of the huge repercussions....

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 09:55 PM
Being born homosexual isnt immoral, and science has all but proven that homosexuality isnt a decision.

So youre born that way. Many hide it, try it, and hide it again. Many never come out.

If you're Christian and its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're born a hetero or a homo, what would you say then. Didn't god make them? Cmon meow.
I'm intolerant of those who are intolerant.
.what if your kid is gay?

Where am I being intolerant? I clearly stated I don't care what they do, if you want to be gay GO FOR IT, why can't you be tolerant of my view that I feel that sex should only be done between a man or a woman? For someone so TOLERANT, you're really one sided... by your own definition doesn't that make you a bigot? This is the problem, you can't accept anyone who has an opinion different than yours.... you scream you want us to love everyone... we do, we just don't accept the behavior, and churches should not be forced to change just because you don't agree with what they teach. If you disagree, cool, I don't care, don't go to my church. But don't get your panties in a wad if I disagree with your lifestyle.

KobeOwnSU
05-01-2013, 09:59 PM
People say, what if your child asks you what being gay is? Will your answer turn them gay? But, my concern is for when I am older and my child asks why our generation did not do more to help? It's much like how we look back on our parents or grandparents and ask why they stood for the racial hatred of their times. If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it.

KobeOwnSU
05-01-2013, 10:02 PM
Where am I being intolerant? I clearly stated I don't care what they do, if you want to be gay GO FOR IT, why can't you be tolerant of my view that I feel that sex should only be done between a man or a woman? For someone so TOLERANT, you're really one sided... by your own definition doesn't that make you a bigot? This is the problem, you can't accept anyone who has an opinion different than yours.... you scream you want us to love everyone... we do, we just don't accept the behavior, and churches should not be forced to change just because you don't agree with what they teach. If you disagree, cool, I don't care, don't go to my church. But don't get your panties in a wad if I disagree with your lifestyle.

Should churches and individuals be able to support immoral bans on equality? Where does the separation of church and state begin and end? It's best to keep church out of it but that is impossible because church holds such a moral value over individuals. Yet, these same morals are broken when individuals are not accepting of others that are different, being by choice or nature.

blams
05-01-2013, 10:05 PM
Being born homosexual isnt immoral, and science has all but proven that homosexuality isnt a decision.

So youre born that way. Many hide it, try it, and hide it again. Many never come out.

If you're Christian and its proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're born a hetero or a homo, what would you say then. Didn't god make them? Cmon meow.
I'm intolerant of those who are intolerant.
.what if your kid is gay?

Where am I being intolerant? I clearly stated I don't care what they do, if you want to be gay GO FOR IT, why can't you be tolerant of my view that I feel that sex should only be done between a man or a woman? For someone so TOLERANT, you're really one sided... by your own definition doesn't that make you a bigot? This is the problem, you can't accept anyone who has an opinion different than yours.... you scream you want us to love everyone... we do, we just don't accept the behavior, and churches should not be forced to change just because you don't agree with what they teach. If you disagree, cool, I don't care, don't go to my church. But don't get your panties in a wad if I disagree with your lifestyle.
Answer it then. It is essentially proven but what about when it is one hundred percent proven to be how you are born? What will you say?
Anywhere from 5 to 10 percent of people are supposedly gay. You know everyone is a sinner right?

And again, it isnt a lifestyle.

ewing
05-01-2013, 10:10 PM
How young is young?

young enough to be a pro athlete. if i was queer an NBA locker room might be cool. I'm not saying dudes should care but it not like those are regular dudes

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 10:13 PM
Should churches and individuals be able to support immoral bans on equality? Where does the separation of church and state begin and end? It's best to keep church out of it but that is impossible because church holds such a moral value over individuals. Yet, these same morals are broken when individuals are not accepting of others that are different, being by choice or nature.

When is it right to force people into accepting a sex act that they believe is wrong to be right? I'm not saying gay people are bad, I simply disagree with that practice. Just like I disagree sex with animals is wrong, just because what I believe isn't popular does not give you the right force your ideas on everyone else. Was not our country founded on the right of freedom of religion and speech?

ewing
05-01-2013, 10:20 PM
When is it right to force people into accepting a sex act that they believe is wrong to be right? I'm not saying gay people are bad, I simply disagree with that practice. Just like I disagree sex with animals is wrong, just because what I believe isn't popular does not give you the right force your ideas on everyone else. Was not our country founded on the right of freedom of religion and speech?

You are free to say it is ****ed up but that doesn't make you right since their doing it doesn't infringe on you. your opinion or you and others that think like you shouldn't effect the way anyone is treated by the state. Right now it does and that is wrong

bootleg42
05-01-2013, 10:20 PM
"I'm a 34-year-old NBA center. I'm black. And I'm gay." -Jason Collins

WOW. I'm glad he came out of the closet. Considering history, being black in the U.S. isn't easy.

KobeOwnSU
05-01-2013, 10:21 PM
When is it right to force people into accepting a sex act that they believe is wrong to be right? I'm not saying gay people are bad, I simply disagree with that practice. Just like I disagree sex with animals is wrong, just because what I believe isn't popular does not give you the right force your ideas on everyone else. Was not our country founded on the right of freedom of religion and speech?

It's your right to disagree with the idea of a person to be gay. It is not your right or the right of an entity to keep a person from being treated equally. Our country was founded on the right of free speech and religion but it was also founded upon the belief of church and state being separate. In today's world that has become very murky. Did you know that in the state of California back in 2008 when prop 8 was being repelled, the Mormon church poured millions of dollars into anti-gay commercials and financial backing for the movement to repeal prop 8? Church's need to stay in their place which is an immediate interaction with individual people not society as a whole.

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 10:22 PM
Answer it then. It is essentially proven but what about when it is one hundred percent proven to be how you are born? What will you say?
Anywhere from 5 to 10 percent of people are supposedly gay. You know everyone is a sinner right?

And again, it isnt a lifestyle.

We disagree, and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I"m not judging anyone, thats for the man upstairs. I can show you study's as well to show that it is a choice, thats the problem with numbers and studies. I believe it is a lifestyle choice, none of your little studies or sly words will change that. I'm not asking you to agree with my views, I'm not forcing my religion down your throat, yet you and others are doing that to me with your pro gay views..... you'll never see it as you've been brain washed into that thinking.... All I"m asking for is equal treatment, why can't you give it?

Aust
05-01-2013, 10:24 PM
ESPN has fired people for much less than the crap Chris Broussard pulled.

KobeOwnSU
05-01-2013, 10:26 PM
ESPN has fired people for much less than the crap Chris Broussard pulled.

I believe the opposite of what he said but that doesn't mean he should be fired. He is allowed to believe in what he wants and he is paid to give an opinion on subjects. I would rather him say what he truly feels than what he was told to say by ESPN.

Aust
05-01-2013, 10:31 PM
I believe the opposite of what he said but that doesn't mean he should be fired. He is allowed to believe in what he wants and he is paid to give an opinion on subjects. I would rather him say what he truly feels than what he was told to say by ESPN.

I'd much rather he keep it to himself if he felt like taking a dump on the guy.

Chris Broussard and the right to be an idiot (http://www.sportsgrid.com/sports-politics/chris-broussard-and-the-right-to-be-an-idiot/)

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 10:35 PM
It's your right to disagree with the idea of a person to be gay. It is not your right or the right of an entity to keep a person from being treated equally. Our country was founded on the right of free speech and religion but it was also founded upon the belief of church and state being separate. In today's world that has become very murky. Did you know that in the state of California back in 2008 when prop 8 was being repelled, the Mormon church poured millions of dollars into anti-gay commercials and financial backing for the movement to repeal prop 8? Church's need to stay in their place which is an immediate interaction with individual people not society as a whole.

How are they preventing them from being treated equally? Did the Mormon church form a line with pickets and not let Jason Collins play basketball at ESA? Did the Mormons stop them from getting a job? Did the Mormon's not let them into their churches? Did the Mormons call for an execution order for all gays?

Ironman5219
05-01-2013, 10:37 PM
You are free to say it is ****ed up but that doesn't make you right since their doing it doesn't infringe on you. your opinion or you and others that think like you shouldn't effect the way anyone is treated by the state. Right now it does and that is wrong

Please tell me how?

ewing
05-01-2013, 10:43 PM
Please tell me how?

Marriage, health insurance, visitation rights in the hospital, having a say with medical issues, any benefit that a straight couple is allowed to share or is given (pensions for widows, death benefits, etc etc etc).

ewing
05-01-2013, 10:45 PM
How are they preventing them from being treated equally? Did the Mormon church form a line with pickets and not let Jason Collins play basketball at ESA? Did the Mormons stop them from getting a job? Did the Mormon's not let them into their churches? Did the Mormons call for an execution order for all gays?

What does this have to do with Mormons?

trueblue83
05-01-2013, 10:48 PM
Theres no reason to praise someone coming out as gay/homosexual....People criticize Tim Tebow for constantly letting people know how proud he is about being a man of God....First off, I dont believe homosexuality is a choice and neither am i homophobic, however, there is no reason to celebrate anything...The man has been lying his whole life about being gay and then praised for finally telling the truth! So what if your gay/homosexual, big freakin deal! I just dont get it.....How does a man get calls from 2 different presidents for coming out gay when people do heroic things everyday and never get a call...There are men serving our country everyday in the military, risking their lives and never receive one thing from the president, let alone 2 presidents!

KobeOwnSU
05-01-2013, 10:54 PM
How are they preventing them from being treated equally? Did the Mormon church form a line with pickets and not let Jason Collins play basketball at ESA? Did the Mormons stop them from getting a job? Did the Mormon's not let them into their churches? Did the Mormons call for an execution order for all gays?

No they did not but they influenced actions within the state. But, let's not talk about Mormons because we will get in trouble here haha. anyway, my main issue is homosexuals being treated equally and as the same as straight individuals.

piston priest
05-01-2013, 10:55 PM
Did you know that in the state of California back in 2008 when prop 8 was being repelled, the Mormon church poured millions of dollars into anti-gay commercials and financial backing for the movement to repeal prop 8

Not actually true. Records filed with the state of California show that the church did not make any monetary donations. All of the money came from individual members.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
05-01-2013, 11:15 PM
not trying to post anything religous, but leroy butler was "uninvited" to a church for his tweet supporting collins thought that was interesting not sure if it was posted or not but didnt feel like reading threw multiple pages to see

Tony_Starks
05-01-2013, 11:43 PM
I believe the opposite of what he said but that doesn't mean he should be fired. He is allowed to believe in what he wants and he is paid to give an opinion on subjects. I would rather him say what he truly feels than what he was told to say by ESPN.


They also didn't fire him because they knew most people were to lazy to watch the full interview, took a edited clip and ran with it. They were speaking to him and a openly gay espn writer LZ and Chris talked and him talke about how they know each others views, respect them, but disagree. But still they're able to hang out, play hoops, have a few laughs..etc

He also stated that "Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle, but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names."

Also the reporter specifically told Chris that Jason said he's a christian and what's his opinion and then Chris said his famous words. But the short clip they show you would have you just believe he came out of total left field on a religous rant for no reason.

The full interview is like 13 minutes and it's actually pretty good. Chris and LZ seemed to get it, Im not quite sure why the mainstream media can't..




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpLGdX6lr4w

petersmagic12
05-01-2013, 11:54 PM
Theres no reason to praise someone coming out as gay/homosexual....People criticize Tim Tebow for constantly letting people know how proud he is about being a man of God....First off, I dont believe homosexuality is a choice and neither am i homophobic, however, there is no reason to celebrate anything...The man has been lying his whole life about being gay and then praised for finally telling the truth! So what if your gay/homosexual, big freakin deal! I just dont get it.....How does a man get calls from 2 different presidents for coming out gay when people do heroic things everyday and never get a call...There are men serving our country everyday in the military, risking their lives and never receive one thing from the president, let alone 2 presidents!

I disagree because even though Tim Tebow faces critisisim that is far less then what a man coming out as gay can face. Many people still disown their children for coming out as gay. Many people are still ridiculed and not hired for certain jobs because of their sexual preference. No ones going to disown Tim Tebow or anyone for that matter for believeing in god. No ones going to personally go out of their way to harm him. Like many people still do to gay men.Therefore it should be celebrated because it is brave to come out and basically open yourself up for ridicule and critisim.Many people today still do not agree with his sexual preference and therefore it is kind of a big deal especially since hes in a big name sport. Because it will inspire men to come out as gays and not be afraid from the ridicule cristisim and whatever else they may face.

I agree that one day I wish for it not to be a spectical of this caliber and hope that we can just look at it as a everyday occurance but its not happening right now unfortantely. Its true we are working towards gay marriage and are becoming more acceptable of gay people in the society. However we are not there yet. Religion still holds us back. Itst true you dont have to agree with homosexuality and neither does the church. However churches go out of their way to promote banning gay marriage donate alot of money to anti gay causes. And thats where the problem lies. We did this for years in history with other things dont see its just repeating it self. First we dont accept indians, then blacks,women and now homosexuals. Are we just destine not accept people that are different our whole lives?

I agree people in the military should celebrated as well for doing heroic things everyday. However, I do agree this is a big deal not as big as the military doing heroic things I will agree with that.

ThaDubs
05-02-2013, 12:00 AM
I don't see why this thread has reached 14 pages. Jason Collins never wanted it to be a huge deal. Because it's not. He's gay. That's the way he was made, there really is nothing special about it. He doesn't want to be seen as a "hero".

Cracka2HI!
05-02-2013, 02:10 AM
I think it's too bad it was Collins who became the 1st player to come out. He is not a good enough player. I doubt a team will sign him...because he's no good anymore and never really was. There probably could be an end of the bench spot for him but not with the media circus that will follow him. Terrible players who bring a ton of media can only hurt the team ie Tebow. Collins will probably be a huge topic of conversation and he's just not worth the attention as a basketball player. If a player who could make still make an impact came out it would be a big story IMO. Now you will have all kinds of media writing stories about Collins being blackballed for being gay. Teams just aren't going to want him because he's not good. This is almost like a retired player coming out IMO.

blams
05-02-2013, 04:20 AM
I don't see why this thread has reached 14 pages. Jason Collins never wanted it to be a huge deal. Because it's not. He's gay. That's the way he was made, there really is nothing special about it. He doesn't want to be seen as a "hero".
Some bigots really believe its a lifestyle choice :laugh: but wait discrimination is ok when a book.says so.

mike_noodles
05-02-2013, 08:43 AM
Your born gay huh? What about all of those people who marry a women, have sex with her and then go to a man, and then back to a women? What was he? Born Straight? Gay? Or just chooses to screw anything that makes his junk tingle?

None of you who bashed me even tried to answer my question, all you did was call me names (typical of someone who can't win an argument) so I will pose it again: Churches are not stopping gay people from working, playing basketball, holding public office or what ever just because they are gay... there position is that if they are best for the job they should have it, yet you all insult christians when we believe that sex is for procreation of life in loving family between a man and woman in holiness to raise children to grow up and be productive moral members of society- yet all of you TOLERANT church bashers can't respect that opinion. So why the double standard? and why am I evil and called of of those names for standing for what I feel is morally right? I thought we all had the same rights and freedoms of speech and RELIGION?

Religion is too easy man, I was raised that the bible is a fable, a story to help teach you morals, but that's all, a story.

So, something that Jesus said, you know, the Messiah.

Love each other as I have loved you.

If anyone says, I love God, but hates the brothers or sisters, he is a liar...Whoever loves God must also love the brothers and sisters

mike_noodles
05-02-2013, 08:45 AM
not trying to post anything religous, but leroy butler was "uninvited" to a church for his tweet supporting collins thought that was interesting not sure if it was posted or not but didnt feel like reading threw multiple pages to see

Seriously? Wow, even some preachers don't heed Jesus' word. See my last post.

Tymathee
05-02-2013, 10:34 AM
Is there anyone gay here, answer me this one question.

If you go from straight to gay, people say you were always gay and born that way and are proud of you

If you go from gay to straight people say "you can do that?" or "how can you go from gay to straight?"

And they also assume that if you switch, you were fake in the first place, but if you're supposed to have been born that way, you can't have it both ways, some who are fake but were totally into it and enjoyed it and those who were born that way.

KobeOwnSU
05-02-2013, 12:05 PM
Not actually true. Records filed with the state of California show that the church did not make any monetary donations. All of the money came from individual members.

You really believe that? No collusion whatsoever? Just a bunch of people from the same church randomly gave money and lots of it? Even if it is true, it just reminds us all how broken the political system in this country is right now. Either way we need to re-examine how societal choices are influenced by those with the ability to do so.

mike_noodles
05-02-2013, 12:07 PM
Is there anyone gay here, answer me this one question.

If you go from straight to gay, people say you were always gay and born that way and are proud of you

If you go from gay to straight people say "you can do that?" or "how can you go from gay to straight?"

And they also assume that if you switch, you were fake in the first place, but if you're supposed to have been born that way, you can't have it both ways, some who are fake but were totally into it and enjoyed it and those who were born that way.

I get what you're saying, so I will direct you here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale). And say that it could very well be somebody in the middle of the scale. I don't think it's always as simple as gay and back, but rather that they can have feelings for both genders.

Edit: This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid) scale gives a better explanation.

1-800-STFU
05-02-2013, 12:11 PM
Their brain is just wired differently, it's that simple.

Some people are attracted to the opposite sex and others are attracted to the same sex.

It doesn't have to be as complicated as you're making it out to be.

Thread should've ended after this post

TheIlladelph16
05-02-2013, 12:15 PM
I know debates like this get murky because so many people have such a range of views. Social issues are very important to me as a man who leans left politically for the most part. I just feel that there is not necessarily a right or wrong when it comes to how this country is run economically and financially. Everyone has there view on what they think is the correct way, when in reality its more often than not a combination of both sides. I mean, that's a principal our country was founded. Political compromise.

Social issues though, there is a right and a wrong answer. Every single person should have the same rights under the constitution in this country, but that is not the case while people still casually dismiss this stuff. Too often religion goes hand-in-hand with social laws oppressing people. Our politicians swore an oath on the Bible to uphold the US Constitution.... They did not swear to uphold the Bible. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, but when those beliefs begin to influence policy to deny people basic rights, that is a HUGE problem.

3RDASYSTEM
05-02-2013, 12:23 PM
@flotus account of Michelle Obama read: “So proud of you, Jason Collins! This is a huge step forward for our country. We’ve got your back!

My Reply - http://youtu.be/hRD8P3diPq0

http://youtu.be/Q5Cc75ZOq38


Come hell or high water, down to slaughter opposers
Just another lost soul, stuck, callin Jehovah
Outlaw 'til it's over, brand as my strap
Back like a cobra, I stay drunk, cause I'm a mad man
Whenever sober, on a one man mission
My ambition to hold up the rap game
While I pluck holes in ****** like donuts
And still down to die for all my souljas
Like hillbillies, they don't fear me
So refuse bringin war to the city
With each breath, death before dishonor
Never let you swallow me, no apologies, your honor
A general in war, I'm the first to bomb
With a squad of trusted killers, quick to move **** heavily armed
I'm similar to Saddam, sometimes I question Hussein
Like fiends frantic for that last vein, stuck in the game
I hit the scene like sandstorms, then transform, watch me
I take the figure of dirty ******, who all got me
While *****es wonderin who shot me
No love, keep a grudge, shootin sluggs like Muammar Quadaffi
Murder my friends, build a new posse
We takin shots at paparazzi, go and fly now, ***** like Rocky



You got a lot of nerve to play me
Another gay rapper, bustin caps to Jay-Z
(buck buck buck buck buck buck)



"Ninety-five percent of them is closet cases," Knight told radio host Howard Stern when asked about homosexual rappers. "I wouldn't say ninety-five percent because I don't know all of them, I know the ones that was on my label [Death Row] was like that -- recently, [Dr.] Dre went to my P.O. and tried to get me violated, he snitched on me.


"We had meetings in the red room and once we had these meetings, you had to put everything on the table. Everybody had some drinks and wasn't nobody lying. Anybody got caught lying, it was always a consequence. So Tupac stood up and said, 'I'm tired of this, I'm tired of this. Dre, you's a f*ggot.' Dre said, 'First of all, I'm not a f*ggot.' He said, 'OK, then you're a homosexual.' He said, 'I'm not a homosexual.' .... Dre, you's a f*ggot."


Tupac calling him gay on several songs. Specific quotes included "that ***** sittin' up in his mansion suckin' dick, eatin' p*ssy" plus in a number of his songs he says stuff like "we shook Dre punk ***, now we out of the closet" and "check your sexuality it's fruity as this alize" along with "California Love Part II without gay *** Dre."

This is circa 96', we in 2013 now, wow big historical deal for the closet community

its incredible what mediahype can do for a 'story' I mean non story

hugepatsfan
05-02-2013, 12:26 PM
I know debates like this get murky because so many people have such a range of views. Social issues are very important to me as a man who leans left politically for the most part. I just feel that there is not necessarily a right or wrong when it comes to how this country is run economically and financially. Everyone has there view on what they think is the correct way, when in reality its more often than not a combination of both sides. I mean, that's a principal our country was founded. Political compromise.

Social issues though, there is a right and a wrong answer. Every single person should have the same rights under the constitution in this country, but that is not the case while people still casually dismiss this stuff. Too often religion goes hand-in-hand with social laws oppressing people. Our politicians swore an oath on the Bible to uphold the US Constitution.... They did not swear to uphold the Bible. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, but when those beliefs begin to influence policy to deny people basic rights, that is a HUGE problem.

Great post.

KnickaBocka.44
05-02-2013, 12:38 PM
I know debates like this get murky because so many people have such a range of views. Social issues are very important to me as a man who leans left politically for the most part. I just feel that there is not necessarily a right or wrong when it comes to how this country is run economically and financially. Everyone has there view on what they think is the correct way, when in reality its more often than not a combination of both sides. I mean, that's a principal our country was founded. Political compromise.

Social issues though, there is a right and a wrong answer. Every single person should have the same rights under the constitution in this country, but that is not the case while people still casually dismiss this stuff. Too often religion goes hand-in-hand with social laws oppressing people. Our politicians swore an oath on the Bible to uphold the US Constitution.... They did not swear to uphold the Bible. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, but when those beliefs begin to influence policy to deny people basic rights, that is a HUGE problem.


:clap: Very well stated.

Lakers Ghost
05-02-2013, 01:13 PM
well in my school theres used to be a gay basketball player and well everyone knew he was gay and it wasnt a big deal to the team. :cool:

AIRMAR72
05-02-2013, 01:33 PM
well in my school theres used to be a gay basketball player and well everyone knew he was gay and it wasnt a big deal to the team. :cool:
CORRECT!! but in all,there was always 1 or 2 guys on teams that Ive played for who had DEEP desire for the same sex they did their job and thats all we could ask of them who CARES what goes on in someone personal life if jason wants to play sword fight with his private with another man let it BE

NJBASEBALL22
05-02-2013, 01:39 PM
Lets try this again. It is too big of a story to ignore. Posters, do your job and stay mature, mods, do your job and prevent those who are immature from posting. This is too big of a story to keep off of this sight.

Religious talk is not allowed, so expect a ban or infraction if you post religious posts.

Instead of attacking people who disagree with you, discuss with them. Words that do not lead to discussion, are usually aggressive ones, like, idiot, dumb, stupid, etc

There are two sides to a story, discussion can be productive, while not being insulting.

There will be insulting conversation I assume, so mods, just do your job, and I know it will be a bigger job than usual, just keep in mind that this is a big story in sports, and society, and that PSD is one of the biggest sports discussion sites, and that this subject should not be ignored.

Your name is purple jesus!

Doogolas
05-02-2013, 05:34 PM
That was the takeaway from your narrative about your brother. You just can't understand why he's like that (but you support it). Likely, you don't want to understand because it will force you confront your own sexuality. After all, it's really not a very complex issue - you're attracted to some combination of physical beauty and traits you desire based on your own experiences or a shared similarity.

I don't believe this to be true at all. I hate how obnoxiously quickly everyone throws out 'repression' as the explanation for someone not getting someone else's POV. I mean, you're right about the Kinsey Scale, even of you're simplifying it a lot, but I don't think his lack of understanding means anything about his own gayness nor lack there of, it's probably just that it's not a natural thought process for him, so he doesn't get it. Him putting thought into it won't necessarily make him confront anything either, the only way to confront one's sexuality is to run into someone that you're strangely attracted to, by which I mean out of the norm, or to actually try to. I don't believe for a minute him trying to figure out how a man can wanna **** a man would force him to confront it and I think people are far too quick to blame that everytime someone says anything about homosexuality.

jerellh528
05-02-2013, 08:35 PM
So what?

NYKNYGNYY
05-02-2013, 08:50 PM
You know how I know your gay?
Your wearing a Jason Collins jersey.

40 year old virgin



I hope this dosnt effect his chance of getting a shot next year

Mudvayne91
05-02-2013, 09:28 PM
Your name is purple jesus!

It could be the (hey-Zeus) kind

trueblue83
05-02-2013, 09:34 PM
I disagree because even though Tim Tebow faces critisisim that is far less then what a man coming out as gay can face. Many people still disown their children for coming out as gay. Many people are still ridiculed and not hired for certain jobs because of their sexual preference. No ones going to disown Tim Tebow or anyone for that matter for believeing in god. No ones going to personally go out of their way to harm him. Like many people still do to gay men.Therefore it should be celebrated because it is brave to come out and basically open yourself up for ridicule and critisim.Many people today still do not agree with his sexual preference and therefore it is kind of a big deal especially since hes in a big name sport. Because it will inspire men to come out as gays and not be afraid from the ridicule cristisim and whatever else they may face.

I agree that one day I wish for it not to be a spectical of this caliber and hope that we can just look at it as a everyday occurance but its not happening right now unfortantely. Its true we are working towards gay marriage and are becoming more acceptable of gay people in the society. However we are not there yet. Religion still holds us back. Itst true you dont have to agree with homosexuality and neither does the church. However churches go out of their way to promote banning gay marriage donate alot of money to anti gay causes. And thats where the problem lies. We did this for years in history with other things dont see its just repeating it self. First we dont accept indians, then blacks,women and now homosexuals. Are we just destine not accept people that are different our whole lives?

I agree people in the military should celebrated as well for doing heroic things everyday. However, I do agree this is a big deal not as big as the military doing heroic things I will agree with that.

Its not that i dont agree, because like i said i dont believe its a choice. I just believe its way over celebrated...Its not like he is guaranteed another season and he waited till the end of the season to come out knowing he might not be back n a locker room again....If he was 24 not 34, and still had a guaranteed career ahead of him then maybe.....If he dont get back on another team then he basically waited till he retired like the rest who have come out. Im not basing anything on religion either. I personally have a friend thats gay and played high school basketball, then some college as well, and everyone knew he was gay...he didnt have to come out or announce anything....

mr_badman
05-03-2013, 10:18 AM
Well I have a problem with Gay athlets in team sports :nod:

Gay's women & men tend to try to force acceptance of what they do as being normal.
As adults people can do what they want and shouldnt be attacked or punished unless they are breaking laws that apply to everyone.

While it may seem natural and normal to gays I believe the majority of living beings are heterosexual as am I. So its really not as normal or natural as people make it out to be.

there is a seperation of gender in sports. there is womans basketball & mens basketball so on and so on. Gay's are a different gender & they need their own League ;)
Gays fight for equal rights on everything else why not just get their own :shush:it so announcements like this one want be news.

If a male pro athlet say they are straight & :love: women for no reason. People may tend to look into the depth of his relationships to find something negative, sex addiction adultry etc. While when a Gay person does they are pretty much potrayed as a hero.

I appreciate Collins for being truthfull to he/she is. Butt he needs to join a gay league or use his gained influence to start one.

There is a reason that there are different restrooms for women & men.
There is also a reason that sports are seperated for woman & men.

The reason is gender

Just as a femal may be uncomfortable in a male locker room, I can completely understand discomfort of a man having gay men in their locker room possibly looking at their junk or :moon:

TheIlladelph16
05-03-2013, 10:43 AM
^ Is that post sarcastic, or.....

ciaban
05-03-2013, 01:42 PM
]It doesn't matter if he is a scrub[/B]. He is almost definitely going to be signed by a team for next season, if for no other reason than to send a good message about the league being accepting. I'm not saying that he is a pioneer or anything, but to be the first to be open while being active in a sport takes a certain amount of courage and I applaud him for that.

You live in SF, that is probably why it isn't a big deal for you at all. However, there aren't many places in the country that are so accepting. Not to mention the world of sports and the black community which, traditionally, are even less accepting of homosexuals.
yes it does matter he is a scrub, because he will be out of the league sooner than later, and i am just as against refusing to sign someone because they are gay as i am signing someone specifically because he is gay.


AND *** YOU! TAKE THAT BACK! I DO NOT, live in SF, i am from the south bay, not SF. That town sucks all kinds of ***

I think next season will be his last, sort of the Tebow effect, you will have this high profile bench player, and that will wear on the team and he will be gone at seasons end.

KnickaBocka.44
05-03-2013, 03:29 PM
yes it does matter he is a scrub, because he will be out of the league sooner than later, and i am just as against refusing to sign someone because they are gay as i am signing someone specifically because he is gay.


AND *** YOU! TAKE THAT BACK! I DO NOT, live in SF, i am from the south bay, not SF. That town sucks all kinds of ***

I think next season will be his last, sort of the Tebow effect, you will have this high profile bench player, and that will wear on the team and he will be gone at seasons end.

It's irrelevant whether he will be out of the league sooner rather than later. If he is active for half of a season then it's a big deal. He will be the first and the entire situation will be a case study of sorts to see how tolerant people really are.

I don't care where you are from exactly. My point was that if you are familiar with being around a lot of homosexuals, it wont seem like a big deal.

Raps08-09 Champ
05-03-2013, 03:44 PM
Good for him. He can live his life now.

Aust
05-03-2013, 03:57 PM
Honest question. What's considered a worse offense:

1. Rob Parker's "cornball brother" gaffe

2. Chris Broussard basically saying Jason Collin's existence is a sin