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el hidalgo
04-25-2013, 12:43 PM
Jerry West came out in support of Mike D'Antoni, who has received criticism after the Los Angeles Lakers squeaked into the playoffs with a 45-37 record.

"I think there's been far too much criticism of Mike [D'Antoni]," West said.

"I think it's grossly unfair to him. He inherited a team that had a bunch of injuries," West said. "He inherited a team without a training camp. I think he's done a nice job, to be honest with you."

Fans and analysts have urged the Lakers to pound the ball into the post.

"All these social media things about throw the ball inside -- you have to be able make shots from the outside if you're going to be able to make shots from the inside," West said.

more here http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-lakers-jerry-west-mike-dantoni-20130424%2C0%2C7246838.story

yet people give d'antoni all the blame for the laker's struggles and criticize nobody else :rolleyes:

JLynn943
04-25-2013, 12:45 PM
yeah, I don't think D'Antoni is the problem at all

JiffyMix88
04-25-2013, 12:51 PM
yeah, I don't think D'Antoni is the problem at all

Yeah me either.

What Jerry West should have said was, "he inherited a team full of divas".

Boom done

todu82
04-25-2013, 01:02 PM
Yeah, he's a good coach but this Lakers team needs a guy like Phil Jackson to coach them and keep them in line.

Teeboy1487
04-25-2013, 01:08 PM
Dantoni was a bad hire because the roster the Lakers have does not fit his system and his coaching philosophy. They do not run any close the system Dantoni wants to install. Phil Jackson should have been the choice. I blame the Lakers management more than anyone for putting a **** team together and hiring the wrong coaches to coach this team.

king4day
04-25-2013, 01:20 PM
I thought the roster fit him perfectly.

Nash could run the P&R with Gasol and Howard. Kobe can be the creator if the offense stalls.
Too many mouths to feed apparently. Also, there was no bench. When we're praising Clark, who was definitely improved, but still not a guy that should have garnered all that attention, you know there's problems. The only reason he got minutes was due to the lack of depth. It just worked out.

That said, injuries aren't an excuse for LA this season, they were reality.

He115ing
04-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Its funny how this just keeps happening to him. There is always an excuse for him. We all heard the same thing with the Knicks. Guess what, he got his training camp and the Knicks still sucked. Same thing will happen with the Lakers. He is just a horrible coach.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 01:29 PM
The whole roster has no balance, and outside of Nash, nobody on that team fits what D'Antoni is trying to do - from the stars down to the role players - none of them.

In NY he needed his PG, in LA he needs his speed, shooters and ball movers.

We all know Mike D knows only one way to coach, and if you don't have the proper pieces why the hell do you hire him?

In NY we hired him without a pick and roll PG to run a pick and roll for plan A, B, C system. We hired him to run a full court selfless 5-as-1 system predicated on quick decisions and ball movement, with one of the best half court isolation scorers in the world, who loves to hold the ball and size up the defender before attacking.

In LA they hired him to run 'showtime' when 4 starters are slow as **** and over the age of 35. They hired him to run his pick and roll + 3 ball attack, with nobody capable of draining 3 balls and no pick and roll big man. They hired him to run a full court selfless 5-as-1 system predicated on quick decisions and ball movement, with one of the best half court isolation scorers in the world, who loves to hold the ball and size up the defender before attacking.

D'Antoni can coach one way - and if you have the pieces hes a hell of a coach, but hes a specialist, and he cannot deviate from that specialty.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 01:30 PM
Hes still the wrong coach for the team.

Slug3
04-25-2013, 01:31 PM
yeah, I don't think D'Antoni is the problem at all

Seeing how the Lakers have no idea on how to get the ball to Howard, I believe he deserves some of the blame.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 01:35 PM
Hes still the wrong coach for the team.

This is true. And that is managements fault.

But IMO, the roster needs a full blown makeover more than he needs to get canned. Metta needs to go, Pau needs to go, the bench, outside of Hill and I guess Clark, needs a complete overhaul.

That team needs speed and shooting so bad.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 01:38 PM
Sometimes having too many players is too much. Too many guys need touches and their games start to overlap take away from eachother. A lot of guys in this league are not capable of lessening their role, lessening their load and still being effective. I think Nash-Kobe-Pau-Dwight is just too much for one ball. You need guys who want to play off the ball within that dynamic. I think getting rid of Pau and Metta would instantly make you guys better if you could get an athlete and a shooter in return.

ManningToTyree
04-25-2013, 01:46 PM
It might not be his fault entirely but he isn't a good coach. His team doesn't fit his style perfect but he is incapable of making any sort of adjustments.

VendettaRed07
04-25-2013, 01:47 PM
All D'Antoni does is shake his head and loose and say "Not my fault I was handed a bad team" When is anybody going to just admit that he just isn't good.

A good coach helps elevate his team and play ABOVE what they should normally be playing at. Yet all D'antoni teams do is fall short of expectations.

Is it ALL his fault? No.. But that doesn't mean someone else could have done his job a lot better than he is right now, and that he doesn't make an inexcusable amount of poor decisions

OceanSpray
04-25-2013, 01:48 PM
I've always said D'Antoni isn't the one to blame. Nash can't play to his fullest abilities. Howard isn't completely 100% and wasn't mentally there. Pau Gasol was out how many games? And as usual, coaching Kobe isn't the easiest thing.

blahblahyoutoo
04-25-2013, 01:56 PM
Yeah, he's a good coach but this Lakers team needs a guy like Phil Jackson to coach them and keep them in line.

everyone sings PJ's praises but where would he be without MJ/Kobe/Shaq.
I would love to see him coach a team without top 5 players of all time.

blahblahyoutoo
04-25-2013, 01:59 PM
Its funny how this just keeps happening to him. There is always an excuse for him. We all heard the same thing with the Knicks. Guess what, he got his training camp and the Knicks still sucked. Same thing will happen with the Lakers. He is just a horrible coach.

they picked up a diva that wasn't willing to play his style of bball.
before he arrived, they were thriving.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 03:17 PM
I will say that I think a lot of Mike D'Antonis genius has been hijacked from pretty much every damn coach in this league. And when great quality coaches utilize the basketball mind of Mike D, they can usually run his system better than he can, because they can actually adapt his system and tweak it for their personnel, they are much better at managing in-game situations, they can galvanize a group and be leaders-of-men, they can implement a defensive system and different coverages, Mike D sucks at all that. I think Woodson is a prime example. He watched where Mike D and his system failed in NY, he tweaked it, slowed it down, implemented some iso's and post ups within it and made it work brilliantly for an aging, half court team who's best player is a ball-stopper/isolation scorer. But the major staples - the high pick and roll with multiple 3 point shooters - is still there, the green light to shoot when open is still there.

Mike D has his system, and hes a brilliant offensive mind, but that might be where it stops. He really needs 'coaches-on-the-floor', and he needs his roster to be self-policed, because hes gonna let guys do whatever they want within his system. Need a strong cast of personalities to make up for the lack of accountability and coaching Mike D brings to the table.

I think the fact that other coaches have shown they can utilize his brilliance without the shortcomings you get from Mike D, will probably be his downfall. There are no secrets about his system, everyone knows how he runs it, the pick and roll spread offense is everywhere now, everyone knows how valuable the 3 ball is, everyone utilizes it, this is no longer a surprise, and that was Mike D's mojo, the fact that he was all about this style of play before anyone else was. Now everyone 'gets it', and they are just way better than Mike D in every other aspect of coaching.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 03:31 PM
Essentially, Mike D is a guy who should right a book about his philosophy, or make a coaching video teaching his system, or run a 'coaches camp' teaching his pick and roll, uptempo attack.

But he's not cut out to lead a group into battle, to adjust on the fly, or to do anything outside of his comfort zone. He's missing pretty much every quality you look for in a coach, except his basketball mind and intelligence. That will only get you so far in the NBA.

SLY WILLIAMS
04-25-2013, 03:31 PM
I think Mike Brown being hired by the Cavs may even effect Mike D Antoni if the Lakers lose in 4-5 games. The Lakers will not have to pay as much money for their coaches with Brown being hired elsewhere.

Lakersfan2483
04-25-2013, 03:33 PM
everyone sings PJ's praises but where would he be without MJ/Kobe/Shaq.
I would love to see him coach a team without top 5 players of all time.

FYI- In 93-94 he coached a Scottie Pippen led Bulls team to 55 wins and if not for a horrendous call, would have had that team in the Eastern Conference Finals. In other words, the man is a great coach. He's the best coach in NBA history. 5 titles with LA and 6 with Chicago goes w/o saying for how great he is. Btw, none of those teams did anything w/o him besides early round playoff exits.

Guppyfighter
04-25-2013, 03:33 PM
I came on here expecting Jerry to be playing one on one with Mike.

asandhu23
04-25-2013, 03:43 PM
FYI- In 93-94 he coached a Scottie Pippen led Bulls team to 55 wins and if not for a horrendous call, would have had that team in the Eastern Conference Finals. In other words, the man is a great coach. He's the best coach in NBA history. 5 titles with LA and 6 with Chicago goes w/o saying for how great he is. Btw, none of those teams did anything w/o him besides early round playoff exits.

Yeah and I am sure Pippen was just another talentless schmuck.

asandhu23
04-25-2013, 03:44 PM
I came on here expecting Jerry to be playing one on one with Mike.

West all day.

D-Leethal
04-25-2013, 03:54 PM
I think Mike Brown being hired by the Cavs may even effect Mike D Antoni if the Lakers lose in 4-5 games. The Lakers will not have to pay as much money for their coaches with Brown being hired elsewhere.

Thats a great freakin' point. I never even thought of that. I gave it like a 5% chance they fire Mike D due to the fact that they would be paying two coaches for 3 more years to be invisible. Mike B getting hired definitely doesn't bode well for Mike D.

I personally think they are stuck in between getting a new coach and keeping this questionable mix of a roster, or trading some pieces to fit Mike D's style and keeping him.

I don't think they 'blow it up' AND fire Mike D. Its probably a trade-off decision.

bleedprple&gold
04-25-2013, 03:56 PM
FYI- In 93-94 he coached a Scottie Pippen led Bulls team to 55 wins and if not for a horrendous call, would have had that team in the Eastern Conference Finals. In other words, the man is a great coach. He's the best coach in NBA history. 5 titles with LA and 6 with Chicago goes w/o saying for how great he is. Btw, none of those teams did anything w/o him besides early round playoff exits.

Also Shaq and Kobe weren't winning before Phil came. The first year he comes in they win the championship. They can't de-value what he has done because he had star players. There's plenty of star players that never win. You need great players and a great coach to win consistently.

bleedprple&gold
04-25-2013, 03:58 PM
Essentially, Mike D is a guy who should right a book about his philosophy, or make a coaching video teaching his system, or run a 'coaches camp' teaching his pick and roll, uptempo attack.

But he's not cut out to lead a group into battle, to adjust on the fly, or to do anything outside of his comfort zone. He's missing pretty much every quality you look for in a coach, except his basketball mind and intelligence. That will only get you so far in the NBA.

Yea, he should be an assistant coach at best, equivalent to an offensive coordinator in football. He should only focus on offense and not be the main guy leading the team.

SLY WILLIAMS
04-25-2013, 04:04 PM
Thats a great freakin' point. I never even thought of that. I gave it like a 5% chance they fire Mike D due to the fact that they would be paying two coaches for 3 more years to be invisible. Mike B getting hired definitely doesn't bode well for Mike D.

I personally think they are stuck in between getting a new coach and keeping this questionable mix of a roster, or trading some pieces to fit Mike D's style and keeping him.

I don't think they 'blow it up' AND fire Mike D. Its probably a trade-off decision.

I'm good for one good point every 5 years or so. Check back with me in 2018. :)

I think they will try to keep Howard and they have Kobe signed but the other players and coaches should not get too comfortable.

Vinylman
04-25-2013, 04:11 PM
Mike Dandummy is the NBA equivalent of Rob Ryan... a great theorist with no ability to practically apply his knowledge in game situations...

Avenged
04-25-2013, 04:34 PM
You can also argue that players keep getting injured due to him running them to the ground.

blahblahyoutoo
04-25-2013, 04:43 PM
FYI- In 93-94 he coached a Scottie Pippen led Bulls team to 55 wins and if not for a horrendous call, would have had that team in the Eastern Conference Finals. In other words, the man is a great coach. He's the best coach in NBA history. 5 titles with LA and 6 with Chicago goes w/o saying for how great he is. Btw, none of those teams did anything w/o him besides early round playoff exits.

and didn't he get swept in the 2nd round in 2011 with kobe, bynum and gasol?

He115ing
04-25-2013, 05:01 PM
they picked up a diva that wasn't willing to play his style of bball.
before he arrived, they were thriving.

Haha! good one bro. But look where the Knicks are and where the Lakers are. I will take Melo over Dantoni any day. I am actually thankful that he got that bum of a coach out of NY. You enjoy him now.

Purple_n_Gold
04-25-2013, 07:50 PM
For not being a laker fan my god are you obsessed with them. You make more threads about Kobe and the Lakers than any other Laker fan on here. Yet you aren't a troll.