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sacgiants1213
04-25-2013, 01:07 AM
GAME 3: CLIPPERS LEAD 2-0


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Date & Time: Thursday April 25 @ 9:30 PM ET
TV: TNT



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Chronz
04-25-2013, 03:37 AM
Hoping for a merciless mentality from the Clips. Put a stranglehold on this series

Avenged
04-25-2013, 10:28 AM
Let me get the obvious out of the way -- must win for the Grizzlies.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 01:26 PM
Grizz dug themselves a hole not pulling out game 2, next 2 are must win games

Guppyfighter
04-25-2013, 02:58 PM
Eventually one team will come back all the way down from 0-3.

Grizzlies should just lose this game and try to make history. It will happen one day. Why not the Grizzlies?

lol

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 03:11 PM
I think the Clippers are going to shock people and come out and destroy Memphis IN Memphis where they have won 3 straight.

TeamSeattle
04-25-2013, 03:55 PM
It seems the Lakers are now the curse of LA, dropping like flies out there. Clippers bout to be that new team to watch out for, get ready.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 08:23 PM
Im just wondering if Hollins finally decides to put Tony on CP3

--23--
04-25-2013, 08:27 PM
I won't be surprise if the Clippers come out on fire to start this game.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 09:35 PM
Im just wondering if Hollins finally decides to put Tony on CP3

I was thinking the same thing. Putting Allen on Paul is important because tony is the best defender and it keeps Conley fresh

Avenged
04-25-2013, 09:55 PM
travel anyone.

Avenged
04-25-2013, 09:56 PM
goaltend anyone.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 09:59 PM
Jesus, DJ has truly regressed defensively this year. Had such high hopes too

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 10:06 PM
ZBO having flashbacks to the spurs series two years ago

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 10:12 PM
Memphis needs to force Blake left

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:18 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Putting Allen on Paul is important because tony is the best defender and it keeps Conley fresh
Unless Billups pounds him in the post but thats not really our style. The other matchup issue is that Jamal gets a few possessions where Tony aint in there to check him.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:18 PM
Memphis winning the flop battle handily. Clippers got this W. Play atrocious and down 3 on the road? Bench about to take over.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:20 PM
Bench on first offensive possession gets a stop, fastbreak and free throws. Goodbye Memphis.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:22 PM
Memphis somehow hits two swish 3's in a row.. When Memphis is hitting the 3 that's all bad.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:24 PM
I love how much respect Doc has been getting in these commercials the past couple of years. Feel like hes one of those greats whos career was swept under the rug with the Big3 (Bird-Magic-MJ) picking up where he left off.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:25 PM
Looks like Hollins is going back to the starters earlier this time.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:26 PM
Memphis terrified, won't go bench vs bench.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:27 PM
Clippers have nore than double the fouls of Memphis? Lol. We didn't even get more calls on our court, so bad IN Memphis

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:29 PM
Memphis terrified, won't go bench vs bench.
Good adjustment, they should have done that from the onset

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:32 PM
Ugh, why you double blocking that DJ?

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:32 PM
Wow refs are a mother ****ing joke!

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:34 PM
Why was DJ in before Blake who was killing? Comon Vinny.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:40 PM
Why was DJ in before Blake who was killing? Comon Vinny.

My guess is because he doesn't want to go small right now, has more trust in Odom than Hollins.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:41 PM
Refs came on a mission today. Wow.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 10:41 PM
That was a makeup call. DJ fouled him, refs let it go until they saw it led to him getting the board.

Avenged
04-25-2013, 10:43 PM
This looks familiar.. Memphis gets a big lead only to lose it.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 10:44 PM
Memphis terrified, won't go bench vs bench.

Terrified? That's called good coaching

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:49 PM
DJ is a worthless son of a B. Has wide open spin move and dunk... Fumbles it with no contact into defenders hands. Trade this scrub please.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 10:52 PM
More flopping by Zbo and Memphis. Such a tough and scary team!

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 10:54 PM
Haha now you know how it feels

kylem4711
04-25-2013, 11:08 PM
z-bo ballin. refs better not run this game though.

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 11:23 PM
So many flops. More than any Clippers and Spurs game combined. Sad that Memphis is actually getting rewarded every time for the flops which we almost never did.

3iverson3
04-25-2013, 11:24 PM
Clippers fan complaining about flops?! Just checked in so idk what happened but clips flop just as much as anyone

Guppyfighter
04-25-2013, 11:25 PM
So many flops. More than any Clippers and Spurs game combined. Sad that Memphis is actually getting rewarded every time for the flops which we almost never did.

Selling a foul that actually happened =/= Flopping

There is a difference.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 11:26 PM
Omg don't cry about flopping. Flop or not Memphis will get calls at home and besides the nba wants this to be a long series

WARRIORS@GR
04-25-2013, 11:29 PM
So many flops. More than any Clippers and Spurs game combined. Sad that Memphis is actually getting rewarded every time for the flops which we almost never did.
What about Memphis dominating your team in a game you predicted they would be blown out?

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:31 PM
Omg don't cry about flopping. Flop or not Memphis will get calls at home and besides the nba wants this to be a long series

Dont know what you guys are talking about, this has been a decently called game

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:32 PM
Law of averages effecting our guards tonight.

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 11:33 PM
Omg don't cry about flopping. Flop or not Memphis will get calls at home and besides the nba wants this to be a long series

Dont know what you guys are talking about, this has been a decently called game

I agree. I'm just saying it should be expected the home team gets a slight edge

Guppyfighter
04-25-2013, 11:35 PM
Clippers barely win at home in game two.

Clippersfans thought processs is "We will blow them out in Memphis now."

Okay, man.

KniCks4LiFe
04-25-2013, 11:37 PM
z-bo ballin. refs better not run this game though.

I was gonna ask if he was playing I just tuned in and caught Arthurs dunk.

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:40 PM
Really wish we were playing Denver/GSW

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:40 PM
I was gonna ask if he was playing I just tuned in and caught Arthurs dunk.

Vintage Z-Bo, especially in the first

KniCks4LiFe
04-25-2013, 11:41 PM
Vintage Z-Bo in the first

good. It's ridiculous how Memphis statistically was doing better w/o him in the last game.

seikou8
04-25-2013, 11:42 PM
look at flopping man we get no calls man okc, Denver,spurs and every other team gets all the calls its like te league is against and oh blake is the best player on this team cp3 hasn't step it up:rolleyes:

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:49 PM
Bledsoe rightfully pissed at Hollins for that stupid foul

Clippersfan86
04-25-2013, 11:50 PM
They also won by 21 in game one. Blew out Memphis by 26 in Memphis without CP3 this year. Wouldn't expect somebody as ignorant as yourself to know that though Guppy. I expected CP3 to show up, not vanish like a ****ing scrub and have pretty much zero impact and more turnovers than assists.

DallasTrilla23
04-25-2013, 11:53 PM
Does anyone know what the grizzlies fans were chanting when dooling and odom collided?

MrfadeawayJB
04-25-2013, 11:55 PM
Flopper. It was a foul but fans felt that odom embellished it after the contact

Chronz
04-25-2013, 11:56 PM
They also won by 21 in game one. Blew out Memphis by 26 in Memphis without CP3 this year. Wouldn't expect somebody as ignorant as yourself to know that though Guppy. I expected CP3 to show up, not vanish like a ****ing scrub and have pretty much zero impact and more turnovers than assists.
Check out the numbers both Bledsoe and CP3 have put up this series, a game like this was inevitable for both of them. Its up to Blake to finally break through, cant rely on CP3 every game. If we could he would be LeBron/Durant esque.

Guppy is far from ignorant, ignorant would be putting such stock into H2H matchups.

PS Waiting for your rebuttle in the Durant thread.

KniCks4LiFe
04-25-2013, 11:56 PM
Does anyone know what the grizzlies fans were chanting when dooling and odom collided?

don't know what you're talking about cuz' I looked away. I'm guess a anti-Kardashian chant.

TeamSeattle
04-26-2013, 12:00 AM
damn Bayless can get up like that dang.

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:02 AM
LMAOS Z-Bo w/ the **** you! but I love you for that to Barnes. :laugh2:

soundjunkies2
04-26-2013, 12:04 AM
That wasn't a flagrant.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:04 AM
First genuinely awful foul call.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:05 AM
Pondexter needs to be taking princes minutes

TeamSeattle
04-26-2013, 12:05 AM
Z-Bo was saying that was a good foul to Barnes and the refs took it the wrong way.

kylem4711
04-26-2013, 12:06 AM
ha didn't see a foul on that one.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:06 AM
I thought it was just a hard playoff foul. I guess the refs don't want anybody getting too heated

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:08 AM
Pondexter needs to be taking princes minutes
Hope he doesn't figure that one out until G6

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:09 AM
Memphis is taking this game if they grind out the next 3 mins.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:09 AM
GG you grindy mo****ers

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:12 AM
yo Memphis crowd >>>>>>>

cheering flopper to Griffin daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn :laugh:

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:12 AM
Seriously we should be zoning up atleast 30-40% of these games.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:13 AM
yo Memphis crowd >>>>>>>

cheering flopper to Griffin daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn :laugh:
Uneducated mo****ers, this would be the wrong game to do that. They have embellished more IMO

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 12:13 AM
Chronz Guppy sure is ignorant for acting like the Clippers cant beat Memphis by double digits at home when they won by 26 in Mphis sans CP3. CP3 choked in one of the biggest games of his.life. What 7 turnovers now? Good God.

Avenged
04-26-2013, 12:13 AM
Old ZBO is back

Guppyfighter
04-26-2013, 12:15 AM
Chronz Guppy sure is ignorant for acting like the Clippers cant beat Memphis by double digits at home when they won by 26 in Mphis sans CP3. CP3 choked in one of the biggest games of his.life. What 7 turnovers now? Good God.

Expecting a blowout is blind, uncut homerism, especially on the road against a team you just barely beat.

Avenged
04-26-2013, 12:15 AM
CP3 more TO's than FG's.

Memphis better be taking advantage because this is never happening again.

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:15 AM
arm extension by CP3 called. Am I imagining that.

BTW this Grizzlies crowd deserves the game ball. I've never seen such a trolling crowd in basketball.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:16 AM
Blake seems mad. Pick on Randolph Blake!

kylem4711
04-26-2013, 12:16 AM
Chronz Guppy sure is ignorant for acting like the Clippers cant beat Memphis by double digits at home when they won by 26 in Mphis sans CP3. CP3 choked in one of the biggest games of his.life. What 7 turnovers now? Good God.

please get banned again.

blaming CP3 or the refs for every loss is old now, btw.

TeamSeattle
04-26-2013, 12:18 AM
If it wasn't for CP3 in game two Memphis could easily have control of the series. Down 2-1 is more than manageable with that Memphis crowd behind you.

kylem4711
04-26-2013, 12:18 AM
why did gasol get pissed that conley flopped?

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:19 AM
Chronz Guppy sure is ignorant for acting like the Clippers cant beat Memphis by double digits at home when they won by 26 in Mphis sans CP3.
Based on what? You're taking this way too serious, nobody is ignorant for being wrong at predictions. I honestly expected us to lose and for CP3 to start coming down to earth, I was HOPING Blake would finally emerge in this series, I was wrong, so forgive me for not taking you at your word.

AGAIN: Putting stock in regular season H2H is the most ignorant thing Ive seen in this thread. So stop relying on this holy grail to deem one ignorant.


CP3 choked in one of the biggest games of his.life. What 7 turnovers now? Good God.
Law of averages. Like I said, check out the numbers that both of our PG's have put up, a game like this was inevitable. If CP3 plays at his normal level, we're down 1-2 right now. Instead hes been beasting. This was the game I was hoping Blake carried us, if anyone chokes, its him. Cant rely on CP3 to carry us every game this series.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:20 AM
If grizz pull this out it has everything to do with ZBO and some bench scoring. I think Allen and pondexter on Paul has worked out well too

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 12:21 AM
please get banned again.

blaming CP3 or the refs for every loss is old now, btw.

CP3's our best player but all year long has consistently shrunk in our biggest games during the regular season and now tonight. 7 or 8 turnovers by CP3 and almost no scoring is inexcusable.

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:21 AM
D-Will and CP3 had better nights than tonight. Damn. :laugh2:

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:23 AM
If it wasn't for CP3 in game two Memphis could easily have control of the series. Down 2-1 is more than manageable with that Memphis crowd behind you.
He doesn't understand the ebb and flow of basketball.


please get banned again.

blaming CP3 or the refs for every loss is old now, btw.
Do you know how many bans it takes to get the perma-ban hammer?

Avenged
04-26-2013, 12:23 AM
That's not a double foul.. Should be on Griffin, but ZBO should have got a T for lashing out like that.

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:23 AM
what did Z-Bo do, look at him wrong? smell wrong?

Blake slapped the headband off him, he did nothing!

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 12:24 AM
Griffin carried us the first half of last game and in games 1 and 2.used all of his effort shutting Zbo down. He has stepped up in this serues, just in other ways. Then tonight until Vinny idiotically benched him too long her was.killing it. Not sure how many times we need to go through this but it's a joke to have the same expectations of Blake and CP3. One is a.top 5.player, proven playoff performer

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 12:25 AM
The other is a guy who's played 14 career playoff games and is considered a 10-20 ranked player depending on who you ask.

kylem4711
04-26-2013, 12:27 AM
He doesn't understand the ebb and flow of basketball.

Do you know how many bans it takes to get the perma-ban hammer?

not sure. hopefully its two though

kylem4711
04-26-2013, 12:28 AM
what did Z-Bo do, look at him wrong? smell wrong?

Blake slapped the headband off him, he did nothing!

ha, u serious? after blake hit him, he swung an elbow and hit blake

Avenged
04-26-2013, 12:28 AM
Looks like this series is going to come down to HCA.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:29 AM
D-Will and CP3 had better nights than tonight. Damn. :laugh2:

D-Will? Hes played awful in 2 games (my opinion), arguably played better tonight than he did last. Atleast CP3 has the excuse of playing well over his head the prior 2 games.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:30 AM
Saturday can't come fast enough. These two teams have entertaining games

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:31 AM
Griffin carried us the first half of last game and in games 1 and 2.used all of his effort shutting Zbo down. He has stepped up in this serues, just in other ways. Then tonight until Vinny idiotically benched him too long her was.killing it. Not sure how many times we need to go through this but it's a joke to have the same expectations of Blake and CP3. One is a.top 5.player, proven playoff performer

I have higher standards.

Like Blake playing at least at his regular season level. CP3 has played over his head and is BY FAR the reason we are in this current position (winning the series).


CP3 having a game like this was inevitable if you understand the odds of statistics. Blake on the other hand should be doing alot more, but I guess hes hurt so I shouldn't be expecting that much.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:32 AM
Saturday can't come fast enough. These two teams have entertaining games
Easily the most competitive series, thus the most money to be made. Ive invested quite abit in this series

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:33 AM
D-Will? Hes played awful in 2 games (my opinion), arguably played better tonight than he did last. Atleast CP3 has the excuse of playing well over his head the prior 2 games.

I'm talking about tonight. Not the series. Tonight. And yes D-Will has been horrible the past 2 games. Bout' time people started calling it like they saw it.

CP was abused tonight. Mike Conley and Tony Allen basically took him to jail.

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 12:34 AM
D-Will? Hes played awful in 2 games (my opinion), arguably played better tonight than he did last. Atleast CP3 has the excuse of playing well over his head the prior 2 games.

I'm talking about tonight. Not the series. Tonight. And yes D-Will has been horrible the past 2 games. Bout' time people started calling it like they saw it.

CP was abused tonight. Mike Conley and Tony Davis basically took him to jail.

Tony Davis??? Lmao

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:36 AM
Tony Davis??? Lmao

damn you quote quick.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:37 AM
I'm talking about tonight. Not the series. Tonight. And yes D-Will has been horrible the past 2 games. Bout' time people started calling it like they saw it.

CP was abused tonight. Mike Conley and Tony Allen basically took him to jail.
Yea Im talking about expecations based on the series, how you play in prior games is very much important in how you play in the future I think. Like if someone's efficiency is well over an absurd level, its bound to come down to earth. Seriously, look at the stats. CP3 was bound to have a game like this.

About time CP3 had it tough.

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 12:40 AM
Yea Im talking about expecations based on the series, how you play in prior games is very much important in how you play in the future I think. Like if someone's efficiency is well over an absurd level, its bound to come down to earth. Seriously, look at the stats. CP3 was bound to have a game like this.

About time CP3 had it tough.

agreed but tip your hate to Conley and Allen, that was straight up Rikers prison defense.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:46 AM
And I was actually mocking your stance on D-Will. He arguably played better tonight than he did in his last subpar game.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 12:47 AM
agreed but tip your hate to Conley and Allen, that was straight up Rikers prison defense.
What hate? Did you mean hat?

Its the kind of defense I was expecting from the get-go. Bout time they showed it. Just wish Blake would have carried us tonight.

mzgrizz
04-26-2013, 12:47 AM
Way to go Grizz !!! Get in there and get it done !!! I like it chippy and did it get that way. Great crowd in the Forum tonight!

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 12:50 AM
Chronz CP3 has better CAREER playoff averages than what he averaged in games 1 and 2 (20 and 10) so not sure how he was playing way over his head. Game 1 he put up a pretty standard 23 and 7 and then game 2 was atrocious till mid 3rd quarter allowing Conley to blow by him at will all night.

Both were bad but CP3 is held to a higher standard.

3iverson3
04-26-2013, 12:56 AM
look at flopping man we get no calls man okc, Denver,spurs and every other team gets all the calls its like te league is against and oh blake is the best player on this team cp3 hasn't step it up:rolleyes:

I can't believe you are complaining that Denver, with no stars, gets calls. maybe that has to do with the fact that they attack the paint like no other team.

3iverson3
04-26-2013, 12:56 AM
Anyway nice game grizzlies. Lets get game 4

Chronz
04-26-2013, 01:32 AM
Chronz CP3 has better CAREER playoff averages than what he averaged in games 1 and 2 (20 and 10) so not sure how he was playing way over his head. Game 1 he put up a pretty standard 23 and 7 and then game 2 was atrocious till mid 3rd quarter allowing Conley to blow by him at will all night.

Both were bad but CP3 is held to a higher standard.
Your confusion stems from your inability to interpret stats.

Check the efficiency, not to mention playoff comp.

mzgrizz
04-26-2013, 01:35 AM
yo Memphis crowd >>>>>>>

cheering flopper to Griffin daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn :laugh:

Yup. I was cheering right there with them. And on the 2 air ball cheers for Paul. :laugh2:

mzgrizz
04-26-2013, 01:36 AM
Anyway nice game grizzlies. Lets get game 4

Yeah baby!! And get yours too !!!

Guppyfighter
04-26-2013, 01:42 AM
Clippersfans is a Blake Griffin apologist, but totally willing to bash Chris Paul.

If I had the third best player in the league you wouldn't find me bashing him one bit. **** dude, mother****er hit a game winner.

3iverson3
04-26-2013, 01:46 AM
Clippersfans is a Blake Griffin apologist, but totally willing to bash Chris Paul.

If I had the third best player in the league you wouldn't find me bashing him one bit. **** dude, mother****er hit a game winner.

Seriously. The guy has single handling made this team better with just his presence.

3iverson3
04-26-2013, 01:47 AM
Yeah baby!! And get yours too !!!

:cheers: let's hope so!

KniCks4LiFe
04-26-2013, 02:09 AM
What hate? Did you mean hat?

Its the kind of defense I was expecting from the get-go. Bout time they showed it. Just wish Blake would have carried us tonight.

yeh, I was watching the draft updates. :laugh2:

Guppyfighter
04-26-2013, 02:09 AM
This crowd, man.

http://youtu.be/dt8FWxtgUJc?t=28s

Guppyfighter
04-26-2013, 02:10 AM
This crowd, man.

http://youtu.be/dt8FWxtgUJc?t=28s

b@llhog24
04-26-2013, 03:10 AM
Clippersfans is a Blake Griffin apologist, but totally willing to bash Chris Paul.

If I had the third best player in the league you wouldn't find me bashing him one bit. **** dude, mother****er hit a game winner.

Yep.

kdspurman
04-26-2013, 10:15 AM
This crowd, man.

http://youtu.be/dt8FWxtgUJc?t=28s

:laugh: Wow... I can't believe Paul & Griffin were mad about what Z-Bo did :pity:

MrfadeawayJB
04-26-2013, 11:10 AM
I can't believe you are complaining that Denver, with no stars, gets calls. maybe that has to do with the fact that they attack the paint like no other team.

he was being sarcastic mocking clippersfan86

Chronz
04-26-2013, 01:48 PM
Clippersfans is a Blake Griffin apologist, but totally willing to bash Chris Paul.

If I had the third best player in the league you wouldn't find me bashing him one bit. **** dude, mother****er hit a game winner.
Caught that have you, he tries too hard to rationalize it by saying we should have greater expectations for CP3, despite the fact that he was playing well over his head this series, yet when it comes to Blake, we cant even expect for him to play anywhere near his regular season level. His hubris is appalling, speaking on behalf of NBA history when he CLEARLY knows so little about it, then taking a shot at statistical analysis (facepalm worthy), its ****ing hilarious.

He should really just stick to trying to blow up the importance of "the small things", at least then he can hide behind cliches as opposed to quantifiable aspects of the game.


Notice how he gos ghost in most threads. Im hoping he reenters the Durant thread, should be interesting/comical at the least.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 03:42 PM
I'm not a Blake apologist considering I regularly blast him hard when he's playing timid and soft. Last night he was atrocious on the glass but was on a roll scoring wise before refs/fouls took him out of the game. Blake has a lesser role on the team, is less experienced and not as good to begin with so anybody with even a little logic would give him a little more of a pass than CP3.

CP3 on the other hand... already has a reputation for folding in the biggest moments of his career and he continues to do that for us, at least this year. I want our future 20+ mill a year franchise player who's considered by most to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the NBA to step up when we need him the most. Pull up every game from CP3 this year vs the top 5 teams in the west and you'll see a very troubling trend. Chronz you tried to tell me these so called "big games" are made up in my head but again last night he had no difference in his game than the other games this year he was shut down by teams like the Spurs, OKC, Memphis etc.

He needs to be held accountable for coming out with 4 turnovers to 0 assists at halftime. For attempting just 4 or 5 shots by halftime. For constantly passing up WIDE OPEN jumpers when he's our best midrange shooter. For letting Conley blow by him left and right with zero resistance. CP3's impact and value to our team is far greater than Blake's at this stage of their careers so when he's off, it destroys our team, where as we can still win easily with Blake having a mediocre game if others kill it.

I don't understand why you fail to see that this game is more than stats. I don't even check the boxscore during games, I watch them and can tell you who's playing like trash. No matter what stats tell me CP3's been subpar the last two games. Game 2 he had a huge 4th quarter and hit the game winner so people readily forget that for the first 3 and a half quarters he was GARBAGE and got torched by everybody all night long. Conley was blowing by him literally EVERY SINGLE TIME.

So that's two mediocre games in a row for CP3 in the PLAYOFFS. We need a hell of a lot more from him. We need more from Blake, DJ and Chauncey too but it starts with our leader and best player.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 04:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331F1R7LbJ0&feature=youtu.be

Good video that's related to this. For once I agree with Skip Bayless.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 04:22 PM
I'm not a Blake apologist considering I regularly blast him hard when he's playing timid and soft. Last night he was atrocious on the glass but was on a roll scoring wise before refs/fouls took him out of the game. Blake has a lesser role on the team, is less experienced and not as good to begin with so anybody with even a little logic would give him a little more of a pass than CP3.
Except that this isn't a case of us not giving Blake any leeway and CP3 all the leeway, this is a case of us giving Blake the smallest of expecations and him falling short regardless.
Your "experience" BS of a theory proves just how much of an apologist and wannabe historian you are. PLENTY of players have been able to make playoff strong debuts without the assistance of experience. That Blake cannot is his own shortcoming, and this is his 2nd showing. Im giving him some leeway because hes clearly hurting, but with that comes the knowledge that hes put far more pressure on CP3 than he ever had to handle in the RS. In other words, we are holding Blake to his own standards, and hes come up short. Thats the point. CP3/Bledsoe played well over their heads in getting us this 2-1 lead. Blaming them for anything is beyond idiotic.


CP3 on the other hand... already has a reputation for folding in the biggest moments of his career and he continues to do that for us, at least this year. I want our future 20+ mill a year franchise player who's considered by most to be the 3rd or 4th best player in the NBA to step up when we need him the most.
He has, thats why we are in this position. Unfortunately hes not the 1st or 2nd best player nor is he the player he used to be, otherwise I would have higher expectations. My only expectations for any player is that he approximate his regular season level of play. CP3/Bledsoe have done so and then some, Blake/DJ on the other hand have utterly failed in that regard.



Pull up every game from CP3 this year vs the top 5 teams in the west and you'll see a very troubling trend. Chronz you tried to tell me these so called "big games" are made up in my head but again last night he had no difference in his game than the other games this year he was shut down by teams like the Spurs, OKC, Memphis etc.
They are in your head. What exactly is your point here?


He needs to be held accountable for coming out with 4 turnovers to 0 assists at halftime. For attempting just 4 or 5 shots by halftime. For constantly passing up WIDE OPEN jumpers when he's our best midrange shooter. For letting Conley blow by him left and right with zero resistance. CP3's impact and value to our team is far greater than Blake's at this stage of their careers so when he's off, it destroys our team, where as we can still win easily with Blake having a mediocre game if others kill it.
Just because his value is greater does not give Blake a pass to go ghost for an entire series worth of PT. Sorry but CP3 cannot save us every game, if he could he would be at his peak and arguably the 2nd best player in the game. Hes not that guy anymore, its time you realize that. Temper your expectations with what hes done so far. If hes been on fire, law of averages dictate he come back down to earth, the hope for a team when that happens is that players who have played below their expected level of play, happen to turn it up. Blake didn't show up when CP3 needed his sidekick the most, and thats why we lost. Im not going to expect CP3 to be a god and for Blake to be less than an All-Star to win a series. If thats what its come to, then we are far from a contending team.


I don't understand why you fail to see that this game is more than stats.
LMFAO. Classic white flag. Just because your utterly clueless with regards to statistics doesn't mean Im completely reliant on them, it just so happens I have more respect for opinions with objective and subjective support, more than your clearly biased opinion.



I don't even check the boxscore during games, I watch them and can tell you who's playing like trash. No matter what stats tell me CP3's been subpar the last two games. Game 2 he had a huge 4th quarter and hit the game winner so people readily forget that for the first 3 and a half quarters he was GARBAGE and got torched by everybody all night long. Conley was blowing by him literally EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Cool story bro, but I have no respect for what you think you are watching.


So that's two mediocre games in a row for CP3 in the PLAYOFFS. We need a hell of a lot more from him. We need more from Blake, DJ and Chauncey too but it starts with our leader and best player.
Sorry but if given the choice between your unsubstantiated/biased opinions over the likes of say David Thorpe, who just this morning just named CP3 as the #2 Playoff MVP, guess who Im going to side with. Heres a hint, Ima side with the guy who trains NBA players, watches a **** load of tape AND UNDERSTANDS STATISTICS.

Imagine that, CP3 has had 2 mediocre games yet hes number 2 for playoff MVP by his standard.

LOL and you think our expectations are out of line?

Chronz
04-26-2013, 04:22 PM
PS still waiting for your rebuttle in the Durant thread. Some of the **** you said was ****ing hilarious.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 04:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331F1R7LbJ0&feature=youtu.be

Good video that's related to this. For once I agree with Skip Bayless.

Citing First take? Is that what its come to for you? LMFAO

Ill watch it later but seriously...... Skip and Screamin? Your better off just sticking to cliche drivven analysis. Big games and what not lmfao

Chronz
04-26-2013, 04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331F1R7LbJ0&feature=youtu.be

Good video that's related to this. For once I agree with Skip Bayless.

Good god what was this suppose to get at? Im not a fan of dude can ball, dude can defend, give him the ball and he can boogie. LMFAO brain dead analysis meant to entertain the masses aren't something you should rely on Blakefan86.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 04:38 PM
You know your raising the white flag when you make a faulty statistical claim in one post, then have the gall to label someone else a stat whore in another. Again, just because Im not completely ignorant to objective measures does not mean that is all I value. It means I implement them within my analysis/expectations, and will not fall for someone's childish/amatuer attempts at backing his with invalid claims.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 05:04 PM
You know you're a douchebag when you respond 5 times and rant to the same post. Or when you act like a condescending tool while doing nothing but repeating the same thing over and over. Reminds me of Guppy who was pointing out no facts from others while posting none himself. Nothing I'm saying needs to be quantified because it's factual. Chris Paul is our best player, Blake Griffin isn't. Blake is 24 and in his 2nd playoff run (14 games), Chris Paul is 27 and in his 5th playoff run (37 games).

I didn't say Chris isn't better than Blake or that as a whole he's been bad in general. He's definitely not playing like a top 5 player in the game the last two games though. He's averaging 18 and 7 in this series, not 20 and 10 or something, so not sure what you're seeing. Chris Paul is the guy who sets the tone for our team and when he comes out like last night just clueless and mediocre it's pretty much always a loss.

As I said Blake definitely didn't step up either, I just expect a lot more out of CP3 than Blake which is all I've ever said on this and not sure why you have to complicate it so much (you do this in every thread). As for responding to the Durant thread.. I gave my opinion on the whole stat era and why I think it's weak to have a player inside your head that much and not take buzzer beaters to spare efficiency etc and you act like I'm obligated to carry that on and argue with you for hours.

Sorry but I don't get enjoyment out of lengthy, petty fights where there is never going to be any sort of mutual respect or at least compromise. You've been a douche and condescending from day one and held a lengthy grudge so it's better to just avoid getting into discussions with you in general. I honestly probably shouldn't even post in this thread because I doubt people want to see these rants over a bunch of nothing.

I didn't put First Take in as some sort of evidence but if you actually watch it without judging (you're probably incapable of this), you'll see they bring up a lot of great things and it's not the usual trolling. They brought up things from both sides of what we're arguing in here which is why it's a cool perspective. Anyways stay mad and have a good day sir.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 05:14 PM
BTW your stats sure worked out when you were the main critic against the Jamal Crawford signing. I was reading through some of your reasons for why he would suck and they were hilarious. You focus too much on digits and not enough on the actual game bud. You put zero weight in intangibles, chemistry, momentum etc. Things that can't be measured but mean so much in sports.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 05:41 PM
You know you're a douchebag when you respond 5 times and rant to the same post. Or when you act like a condescending tool while doing nothing but repeating the same thing over and over.
Maybe, at least my rants are about the topic at hand and I dont shy away from directly quoting specific points.


Reminds me of Guppy who was pointing out no facts from others while posting none himself.
Except I post facts, the likes of which you feel the need to hide from and are unable to refute. Take a look at your laughable statistical claim for further evidence.


Nothing I'm saying needs to be quantified because it's factual. Chris Paul is our best player, Blake Griffin isn't. Blake is 24 and in his 2nd playoff run (14 games), Chris Paul is 27 and in his 5th playoff run (37 games).
Except that this isn't a case of us not giving Blake any leeway and CP3 all the leeway, this is a case of us giving Blake the smallest of expecations and him falling short regardless.
Your "experience" BS of a theory proves just how much of an apologist and wannabe historian you are. PLENTY of players have been able to make playoff strong debuts without the assistance of experience. That Blake cannot is his own shortcoming, and this is his 2nd showing. Im giving him some leeway because hes clearly hurting, but with that comes the knowledge that hes put far more pressure on CP3 than he ever had to handle in the RS. In other words, we are holding Blake to his own standards, and hes come up short. Thats the point. CP3/Bledsoe played well over their heads in getting us this 2-1 lead. Blaming them for anything is beyond idiotic.



I didn't say Chris isn't better than Blake or that as a whole he's been bad in general. He's definitely not playing like a top 5 player in the game the last two games though.
Sorry but if given the choice between your unsubstantiated/biased opinions over the likes of say David Thorpe, who just this morning just named CP3 as the #2 Playoff MVP, guess who Im going to side with. Heres a hint, Ima side with the guy who trains NBA players, watches a **** load of tape AND UNDERSTANDS STATISTICS.

Imagine that, CP3 has had 2 mediocre games yet hes number 2 for playoff MVP by his standard.

LOL and you think our expectations are out of line?


He's averaging 18 and 7 in this series, not 20 and 10 or something, so not sure what you're seeing.
Of course you dont, you're not very good at statistical analysis. Notice the complete lack of context aka efficiency and playoff adjusted rates. Why would I take your opinion on stats over actual statisticians?



As I said Blake definitely didn't step up either, I just expect a lot more out of CP3 than Blake which is all I've ever said on this and not sure why you have to complicate it so much (you do this in every thread).
Its not complicated, by far the biggest underachievers in this series have been Blake/DJ, thus the burden of our situation falls on them. CP3 has played at a ridiculous level to get us a 2-0 lead, he had a poor game last night, but it was bound to happen considering just how godly his efficiency was in the first 2 games. Overall, hes played above his regular season level of play. Whereas Blake has suffered tremendously. Thats why we arent sweeping, at some point Blake has to have a monster game because CP3 is no longer the CP3 of old.



As for responding to the Durant thread.. I gave my opinion on the whole stat era


and why I think it's weak to have a player inside your head that much and not take buzzer beaters to spare efficiency etc and you act like I'm obligated to carry that on and argue with you for hours.

Except I didn't touch that subject because its such a minor point and its your right to hold that opinion. What I want to know is why you would feel a player is insecure for doing something the likes of which MJ, Larry Bird and Hakeem have done. When you criticised him for boxscore watching, training with Bron, and for caring about improving his efficiency. You made alot of insinuations that aren't backed by NBA history.

Put it this way, if Durant is insecure for boxscore watching , then what does that make Larry Bird? Whats more likely, that Larry Bird was insecure, or that they get some sort of insight from it, the likes of which you wouldn't understand? Guess which way Im leaning.


Sorry but I don't get enjoyment out of lengthy, petty fights where there is never going to be any sort of mutual respect or at least compromise.
The arguments you provide are petty and pretentious, hard to compromise when you leave no room for a middle ground. Show me the light if there is.



You've been a douche and condescending from day one and held a lengthy grudge so it's better to just avoid getting into discussions with you in general. I honestly probably shouldn't even post in this thread because I doubt people want to see these rants over a bunch of nothing.
Nonsense, Ive given you plenty of chances, even held back a bunch in our spats. But your style of debating isn't my cup of tea.


I didn't put First Take in as some sort of evidence but if you actually watch it without judging (you're probably incapable of this), you'll see they bring up a lot of great things and it's not the usual trolling. They brought up things from both sides of what we're arguing in here which is why it's a cool perspective. Anyways stay mad and have a good day sir.
I watched it, I gave my opinion on what I saw, none of which were great things.

And what do you mean stay mad? I do this because its entertaining for me, not because it enrages me.

Cracka2HI!
04-26-2013, 05:44 PM
LOL! I don't even need to read the thread to know the type of crap CF was spewing. We got our *** kicked last night. Plain and simple. Did you think we would sweep Memphis? I didn't. How did you think it was going to look when they won? That's how they win. Make the other team look like crap with their defense and toughness.

Guppyfighter
04-26-2013, 05:48 PM
Clippersfan is the ****ing worst, honestly.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 05:48 PM
BTW your stats sure worked out when you were the main critic against the Jamal Crawford signing. I was reading through some of your reasons for why he would suck and they were hilarious.
Feel free engage in the debate. I am 100% certain you're talking out of your ***. I remember giving specific reasons why he could thrive, but offered valid reasons for skepticism. I said we took 3 gambles with Odom, Crawford and Hill, but that Crawford was the best gamble of the bunch. To everyones surprise, he actually admitted to finally working hard during the off-season. Im just glad he stayed relatively healthy this year. You act like its some sort of diss to have concerns about declining/aging players.


You focus too much on digits and not enough on the actual game bud. You put zero weight in intangibles, chemistry, momentum etc. Things that can't be measured but mean so much in sports.

Cool story bro, too bad you have absolutely no proof of this.

PS Why do they call the little things that dont show up on the boxscore, the little things?

Chronz
04-26-2013, 05:56 PM
Clippersfan is the ****ing worst, honestly.
He says these are petty spats, but wont admit to being wrong?

You tell me whats worse, having concerns about aging/declining players while providing some semblance of hope for the future or getting history wrong?

As if projecting the future was some sort of gaurantee and history was up in the air , LMFAO

Chronz
04-26-2013, 06:00 PM
LOL! I don't even need to read the thread to know the type of crap CF was spewing.
Yup but heres a quick rundown of his take on the series and last night:

Blake carried us before the refs and Del Negro stopped him. And CP3 has played mediocre/bad in 2 games despite being named the runner-up for playoff MVP by the likes of David Thorpe and stats backing him.

He also tried his hand at a statistical point, failed miserably, and is now labeling me a stat whore for correcting him.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 06:03 PM
Someone explain to me how CP3 can play bad in 2 of 3 games, with Blake playing at a level FAR beneath his regular season play in all the games, and yet we are up 2-1? Let me guess, Hollins is the reason we are winning.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 06:26 PM
Blake's been bad but a lot of it has been due to foul trouble and Vinny keeping him benched so long that he cools off. He's had two dominant first quarters and everytime refs and rotations took him out of the game. CP3 hasn't been close to foul trouble in the 3 games and Vinny plays him TOO much often times. Not the same problem and should be weighted differently. Read the game threads if you think I'm a Blake homer and a CP3 hater. I praise who deserves praise and criticize who deserves criticism. I'm on DJ more than CP3 WAY morr for example.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 06:32 PM
Blake's been bad but a lot of it has been due to foul trouble and Vinny keeping him benched so long that he cools off. He's had two dominant first quarters and everytime refs and rotations took him out of the game.
Not seeing the point here, that he allows it to effect him to this degree, then its HIS own shortcoming. Like I told you at the start of the season when you were deflecting blame elsewhere, Id rather believe Blake is just hurt than believe hes this flawed of a player.

Chronz
04-26-2013, 06:35 PM
PS
Do you really believe CP3 will get 20M annually? I'd rather not bring him back if thats the case, maybe if it was like a short 3 year deal or something.

Clippersfan86
04-26-2013, 06:49 PM
108 mill over 5 years, backloaded is what he will get. So first year probably 18 plus mill.