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KniCks4LiFe
04-13-2013, 03:16 AM
Kobe is the effing coach! He didn't want to sit, if he sat, then lost Mike D would have been blamed for sitting him.

how do you blame him for saving his career? how?

I'd love to hear the Lakers fan that saids.

___ you D'Antoni! if Kobe tells you he's ok he's ok!

after seeing him barely able to stand. :pity:

Avenged
04-13-2013, 03:16 AM
I say Pau.

lol we're going to need a backcourt player so I'm going to guess it's either Blake or Meeks. Damn.. that will just be brutal giving them extensive minutes (them or any other bench player who doesn't see the floor)... :sigh:

ChitownBears22
04-13-2013, 03:17 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22059950/nba-players-react-to-kobe-bryants-achilles-injury

Lol damien wilkens

ChitownBears22
04-13-2013, 03:18 AM
how do you blame him for saving his career? how?

I'd love to hear the Lakers fan that saids.

___ you D'Antoni! if Kobe tells you he's ok he's ok!

after seeing him barely able to stand. :pity:

Hindsight is a blessing isn't it. Kobe wins this game and he is fine and he is the toughest SOB in the league, he gets hurt and it is because he was crippled my D'antoni's mustache

Bravo95
04-13-2013, 03:18 AM
I'm a fan of the game, and a fan of Bryant's game like another other great player, so this news sucks. The support from opponents and fans who might loathe him shows he's a guy who won't really get his due until he's gone for good.

Not surprised he's already focused on rehab, he is going out on his own terms. Most true fans of the game won't soon forget him doing everything to drag the Lakers' carcass to the finish line. Hell of a player and competitor.

Avenged
04-13-2013, 03:19 AM
Honest question.....who should be replacing Kobe for his minutes? It is a poorly constructed team. Nash was the wrong pickup for this team in the offseason. Kobe demands the ball so any offense established pretty much takes Dwight and Gasol out of the consistent mix.

Don't know.. The Lakers DO NOT have a replacement for Kobe which is why he doesn't rest much anymore. This just means more minutes to Blake or Meeks. Duhon will probably get some PT as well as Morris :shrug: My guess is he's going to run Blake or Meeks to the ground now. It's just his style -- short rotation no matter what.

3iverson3
04-13-2013, 03:20 AM
FO built a flawed team. Old and no bench.

If they had a bench these past two seasons they would have been great.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-13-2013, 03:20 AM
lol we're going to need a backcourt player so I'm going to guess it's either Blake or Meeks. Damn.. that will just be brutal giving them extensive minutes (them or any other bench player who doesn't see the floor)... :sigh:

Haha yea they will definitely be taking up more minutes. But the thing is that other than Pau, we really don't have anyone that can reliably create their own shot. I think he is going to have to pick up a majority of the offensive load, otherwise it is going to get real ugly fast.

ChitownBears22
04-13-2013, 03:20 AM
Kobe would sell his mother into slavery if it meant another Championship, how do you think he feels about some extra minutes.

kblo247
04-13-2013, 03:20 AM
Kevin Ding says the LA staff said it was completely torn

That means he went out and made 2 free throws without an Achilles to make sure he kept his word about La being in the playoffs and controlling their own fate. He didnt let anyone else decide it. The team has to win the next two for him

To think a Lakers season ends on Kobe injuring the part of the human body named after the one weak spot of a legendary nigh-invulnerable demi-god

DumDum
04-13-2013, 03:28 AM
The show must go on

LAKERMANIA
04-13-2013, 03:35 AM
Very sad day. My childhood hero collapsed today.. Hopefully he gets well soon, but its Achilles.. If it's true then that's it.

shep33
04-13-2013, 03:40 AM
Kobe's last 7 games: 28.9 pts, 8.4 ast, 7.3 reb, 2.1 stl, 1.0 blk, 45.6 min. Lakers go 6-1. There's your measure of the man.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2QKKhoZqZ

WITZ
04-13-2013, 03:41 AM
Kobe would sell his mother into slavery if it meant another Championship, how do you think he feels about some extra minutes.

:laugh: I wouldn't phrase it that way ,but i agree with your point about Kobe doing whatever it takes if it means getting another championship.

zn23
04-13-2013, 03:41 AM
To think a Lakers season ends on Kobe injuring the part of the human body named after the one weak spot of a legendary nigh-invulnerable demi-god

In some ways, maybe it's a fitting end for Kobe. A sort of beautiful tragedy.

poleandreel
04-13-2013, 03:51 AM
You're all ******** if you think this is the last time Kobe will every play...

He is 34 not 40. Billups had the same injury last year and came back this year, and he is older than Kobe and is no where near the shape that Kobe is in.

Jesus, some people on here are so reactionary and stupid that they can't put 3 facts together and come up with a conclusion.

UPRock
04-13-2013, 03:51 AM
First Greinke and now Kobe, bad luck for L.A. I know both will come back playing at a high level, especially Kobe.

hidalgo
04-13-2013, 03:54 AM
Dominique Wilkins came back from the same injury like a champ, had maybe his best season the next year

HeaTxRipZz
04-13-2013, 03:56 AM
Kobe will be back stronger than ever......It will be a good while before we see him again I'm guessing what mid next season?

Prayers are with him, hope he has a speedy recovery

jetsfan28
04-13-2013, 04:01 AM
NBA luxury tax level the past two years has been 70.307 million. I'm guessing it will be about the same next year. With Kobe, without using the amnesty on Pau or Metta, they're looking at around 105 million by my math if they keep Dwight Howard and they basically fill the rest of the roster with minimum salaries. If they can convince Dwight to stay and wait for 1 year of rebuilding, use the amnesty on Kobe, and get a team with cap room to take Pau or Metta (Houston or Detroit?) it's not completely inconceivable that they can actually get under the luxury tax, which would let them avoid the repeater rate in 2014-2015. That would be HUGE for them long term. I don't see how that wouldn't be the right move, assuming Kobe will miss about 10 months.

raiderposting
04-13-2013, 04:02 AM
Off webmd
After either type of surgery, you will likely wear a cast, walking boot, or similar device for 6 to 12 weeks. At first, the cast or boot is positioned to keep the foot pointed downward as the tendon heals. The cast or boot is then adjusted gradually to put the foot in a neutral position (not pointing up or down). Many health professionals recommend starting movement and weight-bearing exercises early, before the cast or boot comes off. Your total recovery time will probably be as long as 6 months.

6 months for the average person. This is kobe Bryant. He'll be there very early in the season.

DumDum
04-13-2013, 04:02 AM
In some ways, maybe it's a fitting end for Kobe. A sort of beautiful tragedy.

You Either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain

I'm going miss that Selfish Prick.

raiderposting
04-13-2013, 04:05 AM
Kobe will be a beast if he says amnesty me ill sign for a dollar. Get rid of arrest. Nash for Lowry. Sign 2 role players. Fire pringles. Hire Phil.

I'm devastated.

stawka
04-13-2013, 04:27 AM
Kobe will still be back before Rose, that's a given lol

Seriously though, I dislike the guy but I hope he comes back to at least 80% of what he was this season, which is better than most guys in the league. Give the Batman role up to Dwight, save yourself and maybe get a few more years

With his crazy *** mindset and mentality, he'll be back. The fool is literally laughing at the doubters

Vinny642
04-13-2013, 04:27 AM
You're all ******** if you think this is the last time Kobe will every play...

He is 34 not 40. Billups had the same injury last year and came back this year, and he is older than Kobe and is no where near the shape that Kobe is in.

Jesus, some people on here are so reactionary and stupid that they can't put 3 facts together and come up with a conclusion.

Considering he was planning to only stay one more season after this one.... and considering how many minutes he has played through, there is that possibility he retires but I think he will be back mid way next season

Vinny642
04-13-2013, 04:37 AM
Please explain to me how he has been anything other than a role player in this offense. The only game the offense went through him was during the Orlando game a month ago. Kobe is the catalyst and everyone else plays to him.

He isnt a role player though, he is one of the teams key men in general, but by your logic, since he isnt the first option he is a role player, so I guess Russell Westbrook is too?

kblo247
04-13-2013, 04:52 AM
He isnt a role player though, he is one of the teams key men in general, but by your logic, since he isnt the first option he is a role player, so I guess Russell Westbrook is too?

I don't think he means that. Kobe was the PG, SF sub for Ron, and SG scorer most year. Kobe gets Pau engaged, he feeds him, *****es when the other guys don't, same for Dwight. Nsh never created a pnr dynamic with those two but Kobe is the one guy who can make an effort to get them ball and then have the others follow suit. It wasnt when kobe was of the ball, but off it and in Nash's hands this year that the bigs got mad. Nash is used to pnr bigs, but the way Kobe interacts and plays 2/3man game with them is totally different as both come along and get to eat. It's just been a weird dynamic this year as Kobe's been overworked to get pieces to fit since Nash just hasn't given them the perimeter option and creator that they expected

BigEric
04-13-2013, 04:57 AM
Can we stop blaming D'Antoni? Sure, he could've limited Kobes minutes and preserved some but... this injury was a freak accident. It happens to older players, younger players. If you're on the bad side of luck... then you're on the bad side of luck. The previous injuries were UNRELATED and kobe even said it himself. Freak accidents happen... no reason to blame the coach other than it being the easy thing to do. If anything, like ChitownBears said.. id probably blame the shoe he was wearing. I'm no doctor nor foot specialist but when I saw him walking.. the shoes looked off. Everything that could've went wrong in that moment did. THAT isn't D'Antoni's fault. Like I said, LIMITING HIM COULD'VE KEPT HIM FRESHER AND POTENTIALLY HEALTHIER but THIS type of thing has to be chalked up as a freak accident. We weren calling for Tom T's head last year, Leslie Fraziers when AP tore his ****. This **** just happens.

Now Kobes had a RIDICULOUSLY successful career and will go down as a top 5 player.. he is an amazing worker with amazing heart. I don't agree with a lot that he stood for (like someone else mentioned, if he took a fraction of that "will and deterination" that he has on and off the court for basketball, he'd stay loyal and at least keep all the drama nonpublic and not carry such an egotistic way of portraying himself) but you have to love what he did individually and the desire he had to be great...some call it sad, the way it "ended" but idk, I feel like it was father times way of saying that the times are changing. His career will be forever engraved as great and I could understand why it'd be sad if he did call it quits, more for personal nostalgia (being a kings fan, I remember hating him over a decade ago when I was 12/13) but nothings gonna really take away Kobe.

MyDRoseLikeDeng
04-13-2013, 05:48 AM
A coach's job is to be assertive, and to be the ultimate LEADER of the team. Mike D'Antoni had NO SAY whatsoever in this Lakers team demise, it was Kobe's team. With that being said, Mike should have put his big boy pants on, and when Kobe went down for the 2nd time tonight, he should have said enough is enough and pulled him. At the very least he should have stopped the game and let Kobe see Gary Vitti and go on from there. Although not entirely D'Antoni's fault, a whole lot of the blame SHOULD be placed on his shoulders for lacking assertiveness and letting a man with no sense of rational judgement continue on a self destructive path..

MyDRoseLikeDeng
04-13-2013, 05:49 AM
And when I say no sense of rational judgement, that is a huge compliment to Kobe. He has no sense of judgement because all he cares about is winning, no matter how bad he hurts..

amos1er
04-13-2013, 05:54 AM
I'm sure Kobe will be back early next season. Hopefully Jim ****ing ****** *** Buss is overthrown by then and we can get Phil back in his rightful place and make a real title run. Jimmy "Fredo" Buss has ruined these past two seasons for both Kobe and all the Laker fans out there. Hopefully Jim never shows his face again. This is all his fault. You all can blame D'Antoni all you want, but who is the moron that hired him...If you give an ape a gun and he kills someone, who do you blame? The ape, or the brainless dolt who gave him the gun?

THINKBLUE15
04-13-2013, 06:04 AM
This past generation of sports is probably defined by 3 athletes: Derek Jeter, Tiger Woods, and Kobe Bryant. Love or hate them, you'll miss them when they're gone. I hope a torn Achilles isn't the way Kobe goes.

MyDRoseLikeDeng
04-13-2013, 06:05 AM
Bingo.

IKnowHoops
04-13-2013, 06:36 AM
This just sucks

HowFit
04-13-2013, 06:39 AM
La been hit pretty hard lately. Greinke missing possibly 2 months with broken collarbone then this with Kobe....

IKnowHoops
04-13-2013, 06:52 AM
Just watched the post game interview. You have got to love a guy that responds the way he did. In what very easily may have been the worst moment in Kobe's life, Kobe was pure class, heart, and determination in that interview. You can't hate this guy anymore after watching that.

Bulls_fan90
04-13-2013, 06:57 AM
Is there a worse injury? Massive loss for the Lakers. Sad day for the NBA.

MonumentPark7
04-13-2013, 06:57 AM
Looking at the replay, this could of happened to anyone. But the amount of playing time D'antoni has put on Kobe the last week and the amount of pressure he has been using on his foot finally gave out. Great player. Just hope the MRI results don't come back what we all think is true.

IKnowHoops
04-13-2013, 07:13 AM
"Its appropriate that you ask that question from down there." Kobe is a G.

Baller1
04-13-2013, 07:27 AM
I'm sure Kobe will be back early next season. Hopefully Jim ****ing ****** *** Buss is overthrown by then and we can get Phil back in his rightful place and make a real title run. Jimmy "Fredo" Buss has ruined these past two seasons for both Kobe and all the Laker fans out there. Hopefully Jim never shows his face again. This is all his fault. You all can blame D'Antoni all you want, but who is the moron that hired him...If you give an ape a gun and he kills someone, who do you blame? The ape, or the brainless dolt who gave him the gun?

There will be ZERO title runs with this team. Kobe or no Kobe. Good try.

poleandreel
04-13-2013, 07:31 AM
cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooool

Bruno
04-13-2013, 07:52 AM
his minute distribution has been an absolute disgrace dating back to last season. in the past two weeks it has been kicked into extreme over drive and we now witnessing the results. phil had the grace and foresight to keep him at 33.5 minutes in 2011. he did it for a reason...

PHX2daDEATH
04-13-2013, 07:55 AM
i dont know how it could "probable" you either tear it or you don't..I remember dominique wilkins tearing his almost 20 years ago..he was writhing in pain..no way he could of shot free throws..

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/29/sp...-s-season.html

Bruno
04-13-2013, 08:00 AM
Very sad day. My childhood hero collapsed today.. Hopefully he gets well soon, but its Achilles.. If it's true then that's it.

devastating. i feel ya man :cheers:

Bruno
04-13-2013, 08:03 AM
Of course MDA didn't take him out of the game, his job was on the line.

yes.

Phil played him 33.5 minutes per game in 2011 because he had the reputation, roster flexibility and career clout to not get fired if they lost games due to Kobe not playing big minutes. he had the luxury to keep the big picture in perspective; MDA did not. i'm not taking blame off him, but the front office carries some responsibility as well.

Iron24th
04-13-2013, 08:05 AM
There will be ZERO title runs with this team. Kobe or no Kobe. Good try.

Enjoy another Lebron championship in two months.

SteBO
04-13-2013, 08:12 AM
I'll say firstly that this could happen to anyone. It's sports with it will always come injury risk. However, I can't help but say this was kinda expected, considering D'Antoni starting as early as last week has been running this guy into the ground. No way should he be playing this man 40+ minutes, regardless of this job status excuse I've read in this thread.....you have what you have and you need to have foresight.

kdspurman
04-13-2013, 08:40 AM
I agree with this... Can't play a guy his age that many minutes. Just ridiculous on D'Antoni's part.

Kleonidas
04-13-2013, 08:43 AM
As a Magic fan I can't help but chuckle. Karma. Enjoy the first round exit Dwight...

kdspurman
04-13-2013, 08:44 AM
This is so sad... :(

Sorry dude... This is the worst possible thing you want to see. :sigh:

Clippersfan86
04-13-2013, 08:46 AM
"Thoughts & prayers go out to the big homey #Kobe.. Shame they ran him into the ground.. #Damn"

-Matt Barnes

He seems to agree.

kdspurman
04-13-2013, 08:47 AM
yes.

Phil played him 33.5 minutes per game in 2011 because he had the reputation, roster flexibility and career clout to not get fired if they lost games due to Kobe not playing big minutes. he had the luxury to keep the big picture in perspective; MDA did not. i'm not taking blame off him, but the front office carries some responsibility as well.


I'll say firstly that this could happen to anyone. It's sports with it will always come injury risk. However, I can't help but say this was kinda expected, considering D'Antoni starting as early as last week has been running this guy into the ground. No way should he be playing this man 40+ minutes, regardless of this job status excuse I've read in this thread.....you have what you have and you need to have foresight.


Agree 100%. I think his playing time were a big factor, WebMD shows some causes to it, and the first is overuse. Sportsmedicine says the same thing.


What Can Cause Achilles Tendon Injuries?

An Achilles tendon injury might be caused by:

Overuse
Stepping up your level of physical activity too quickly
Not stretching enough before exercise
Wearing high heels, which increases the stress on the tendon
Problems with the feet. An Achilles tendon injury can result from flat feet, also known as fallen arches or overpronation. In this condition, the impact of a step causes the arch of your foot to collapse, stretching the muscles and tendons.
Muscles or tendons in the leg that are too tight

http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/guide/achilles-tendon-injury



The exact cause of Achilles tendon ruptures is hard to say. It can happen suddenly, without warning, or following an Achilles tendonitis. It seems that weak calf muscles may contribute to problems. If the muscles are weak and become fatigued, they may tighten and shorten. Overuse can also be a problem by leading to muscle fatigue

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/leg_injuries/a/leg5.htm

kdspurman
04-13-2013, 08:48 AM
his minute distribution has been an absolute disgrace dating back to last season. in the past two weeks it has been kicked into extreme over drive and we now witnessing the results. phil had the grace and foresight to keep him at 33.5 minutes in 2011. he did it for a reason...

Sorry for the loss man... Really sucks to see him go out like that.

kdspurman
04-13-2013, 08:49 AM
I put this in the other thread but FWIW....


What Can Cause Achilles Tendon Injuries?

An Achilles tendon injury might be caused by:

Overuse
Stepping up your level of physical activity too quickly
Not stretching enough before exercise
Wearing high heels, which increases the stress on the tendon
Problems with the feet. An Achilles tendon injury can result from flat feet, also known as fallen arches or overpronation. In this condition, the impact of a step causes the arch of your foot to collapse, stretching the muscles and tendons.
Muscles or tendons in the leg that are too tight

http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/guide/achilles-tendon-injury



The exact cause of Achilles tendon ruptures is hard to say. It can happen suddenly, without warning, or following an Achilles tendonitis. It seems that weak calf muscles may contribute to problems. If the muscles are weak and become fatigued, they may tighten and shorten. Overuse can also be a problem by leading to muscle fatigue

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/leg_injuries/a/leg5.htm

Heediot
04-13-2013, 08:53 AM
Honestly only Phil Jackson, Popovich, and probably Rivers have any credibility and respect/command to have Kobe reduce his minutes. As bad as Kobe wanted to make the playoffs, I'm pretty sure Kobe chose to play those minutes, and he put D'Antoni in a bad spot where there isn't much he can do.

jp611
04-13-2013, 09:02 AM
I feel you Lakers fans

It sucks losing your superstar, it must really suck when he's at the end of his career like this :(

Keep your head up

Gators123
04-13-2013, 09:08 AM
Damn. This is sad. I hope he makes a full recovery and comes back next season!

torocan
04-13-2013, 09:14 AM
Wow. Not even sure what to say.

For his entire career Kobe always seemed indestructible. Through the good and the bad, the great plays and stupid hero ball, he was always just Kobe -- the guy who played through everything.

Sad day for basketball.

I hope Kobe makes a full recovery and retires the way a player of his stature should... in uniform and playing on the court.

My sympathies to the Lakers fans.

RLundi
04-13-2013, 09:31 AM
Just an absolute and complete disaster of a Lakers season. Probably won't make the playoffs, no lottery pick this off-season, no cap space, Dwight probably walks and Kobe, if he comes back at all, will be a shell of himself in 2015.

On the plus side, this sets the stage for LA to get Andrew Wiggins in 2014.

PS: Dwight Howard is a cancer. Somehow I blame him for this. Everything he touches turns to dirt; he's the anti-Midas. If he leaves, Lakers fans count your blessings. Mavs/Rockets/Hawks fans, buyer beware.

29$JerZ
04-13-2013, 09:45 AM
Just woke up to this.
Sad news.

It's not Mikes fault though, this can happen to anyone. With that said Mike may be blamed for this and get canned. Wouldn't surprise me.

Awful way to go out.

cg_la00
04-13-2013, 09:50 AM
This is such BS! All the training and sacrifice just flew out the window with one step that I've done millions of times! The frustration is unbearable. The anger is rage. Why the hell did this happen ?!? Makes no damn sense. Now I'm supposed to come back from this and be the same player Or better at 35?!? How in the world am I supposed to do that??
I have NO CLUE. Do I have the consistent will to overcome this thing? Maybe I should break out the rocking chair and reminisce on the career that
was. Maybe this is how my book
ends. Maybe Father Time has defeated me...Then again maybe not! It's 3:30am, my foot feels like dead weight, my head is spinning from the pain meds and I'm wide awake. Forgive my Venting but what's the purpose of social media if I won't bring it to you Real No Image?? Feels good to vent, let it out. To feel as if THIS is the WORST thing EVER! Because After ALL the venting, a real perspective sets in. There are far greater issues/challenges in the world then a torn achilles. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, find the silver lining and get to work with the same belief, same drive and same conviction as ever.
One day, the beginning of a new career journey will commence. Today is NOT that day.
"If you see me in a fight with a bear, prey for the bear". Ive always loved that quote. Thats "mamba mentality" we don't quit, we don't cower, we don't run. We endure and conquer.
I know it's a long post but I'm Facebook Venting LOL. Maybe now I can actually get some sleep and be excited for surgery tomorrow. First step of a new challenge.
Guess I will be Coach Vino the rest of this season. I have faith in my teammates. They will come thru.
Thank you for all your prayers and support. Much Love Always.
Mamba Out


this was off kobes facebook page this morning around 3 am. my heart dropped when i saw his interview and it never came back up. sad sad day for us laker fans and all i can hope is that kobe comes back next year stronger than ever

eternal slumber
04-13-2013, 09:53 AM
it's a sad news not only for the Lakers but the whole NBA.

as a Rockets fan, i hated him because he was just too good.

i respect him for what he has done for the league. i really hope he could come back from this stronger and better.


i still have at least 20 of Kobe's rookie and sophomore NBA cards.

Ill21
04-13-2013, 09:53 AM
This injury is 100% on that ******* D'Antoni.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 09:54 AM
terrible news. just found out about it like 2 minutes ago. a pit in my stomach.


seemingly long over due though. he's pushed himself so hard for so long. it's amazing really that his body made it this long. just another testament to his durability.

Ill21
04-13-2013, 09:56 AM
Just woke up to this.
Sad news.

It's not Mikes fault though, this can happen to anyone. With that said Mike may be blamed for this and get canned. Wouldn't surprise me.

Awful way to go out.

Dude he played him a insane amount of minutes this year.

GiantsSwaGG
04-13-2013, 09:58 AM
Elton Brand
Dominque Wilkins
Chauncey Billups

They were never the same. This might be the end for Kobe

GiantsSwaGG
04-13-2013, 10:00 AM
Just woke up to this.
Sad news.

It's not Mikes fault though, this can happen to anyone. With that said Mike may be blamed for this and get canned. Wouldn't surprise me.

Awful way to go out.


Dude he played him a insane amount of minutes this year.

He's right Jerz, This is 100% on Mike, he played Kobe crazy minutes to save his job. Blame goes to him. You don't play a 34 yr old 40 minutes a night!

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:02 AM
Dude he played him a insane amount of minutes this year.

It's not fair to pin it all on him. It's not like Kobe has been playing a ridiculous amount of minutes compared to the norm. In fact, his minutes were about par for the course for the last 6-7 years. Now, I realize he's getting older...but they were in a dog fight ALL year. There's no way Kobe would have been OK with playing 33 minutes a game. There's no way that was the right strategy for them to win either. Kobe is Kobe. You can play him less than he wants, but he's not going to let that slide.

They both wanted to win. They both benefited from playing a lot of minutes. You really think Kobe ever said "you know what Mike, I think you're playing me too much?" Hell. No.

D'Antoni deserves some blame, sure. But there's plenty to spread. And picking out people to blame isn't going to change anything.

GiantsSwaGG
04-13-2013, 10:03 AM
I laugh at the few posters that said Mike D was a great hire. Mainly Justinnum2 and certain Laker fans

GiantsSwaGG
04-13-2013, 10:04 AM
It's not fair to pin it all on him. It's not like Kobe has been playing a ridiculous amount of minutes compared to the norm. In fact, his minutes were about par for the course for the last 6-7 years. Now, I realize he's getting older...but they were in a dog fight ALL year. There's no way Kobe would have been OK with playing 33 minutes a game. There's no way that was the right strategy for them to win either. Kobe is Kobe. You can play him less than he wants, but he's not going to let that slide.

They both wanted to win. They both benefited from playing a lot of minutes. You really think Kobe ever said "you know what Mike, I think you're playing me too much?" Hell. No.

D'Antoni deserves some blame, sure. But there's plenty to spread. And picking out people to blame isn't going to change anything.

Yes it is fair,

The guy could barely walk in some games and Mike would play him 40 + minutes. It's a disgrace. He did the same with Amare

29$JerZ
04-13-2013, 10:06 AM
Dude he played him a insane amount of minutes this year.

Which is the fault of both the coach, the player, and even the management for allowing that to happen.
Mike will get blamed rightly so because of his history with overplaying guys like Lin/Amar'e and now Kobe.
To just strictly blame him though is wrong, this injury happens even without excessive play time, it's just bad timing imo.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:09 AM
i just struggle to blame a coach for a serious injury. i know achille's injuries can be a resultant of overuse, but still. this is kobe. he's logged minutes like this basically every year but 2010-2011. he's older now than ever, but his body NEVER has failed him like this before. and you know what, he lasted 79 games. it was working. they both wanted it. they both knew it was the best way they could win.

it sucks. it's saddening. but i'm not doling out blame entirely to MDA...regardless of how terrible he is.

GiantsSwaGG
04-13-2013, 10:14 AM
This is all on Mike. He played Kobe 40+ minutes a game. Dude suffered like 5 injuries before the Achilles injury in the warriors game. Mike didn't care thou

Sly Guy
04-13-2013, 10:14 AM
Honestly only Phil Jackson, Popovich, and probably Rivers have any credibility and respect/command to have Kobe reduce his minutes. As bad as Kobe wanted to make the playoffs, I'm pretty sure Kobe chose to play those minutes, and he put D'Antoni in a bad spot where there isn't much he can do.


coach still decides who's on the floor. Kobe's a competitor. Sometimes you gotta save him from himself. D'Antoni is a coach who believes in playing like 7 guys total. That doesn't work well for a team as old as the Lakers.

alexander_37
04-13-2013, 10:16 AM
Yeah and if they were to not win everybody would question why he didn't play more. It's a lose lose for Antoni, it's a lose lsoe for anyone coaching an old team.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:19 AM
Which is the fault of both the coach, the player, and even the management for allowing that to happen.
Mike will get blamed rightly so because of his history with overplaying guys like Lin/Amar'e and now Kobe.
To just strictly blame him though is wrong, this injury happens even without excessive play time, it's just bad timing imo.

exactly. pinning it all on MDA is just a cop out. spread the blame properly, because there were a lot of factors in this. let's not actually act like MDA was the one with the most power on that team.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
04-13-2013, 10:19 AM
Elton Brand
Dominque Wilkins
Chauncey Billups

They were never the same. This might be the end for Kobe

dont agree with that...and we are talking about Kobe Bryant here:eyebrow:

BALLER R
04-13-2013, 10:20 AM
If they managed his minutes right Kobe could play till hes close to 40. Look at what pop does with Duncan.

king4day
04-13-2013, 10:20 AM
Kobe wouldn't have let himself play less. The team was fighting all year to reach the playoffs. Not a chance Kobe was sitting more minutes for an injury he never expected.
Finding people to blame is going to become silly. Next it will be the GM for not finding a way to add more depth to this team.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:22 AM
i think it's foolish to assume that MDA was the most authoritative person in that organization this year. the blame can be spread pretty evenly across all levels of this team. you can't say "well, Phil Jackson limited Kobe's minutes his last year in LA, so why didn't MDA". Well, the answer is, MDA doesn't have the power phil had...and that's entirely not his fault.

it would be one thing if the lakers had locked up a playoff spot 2 weeks ago. they don't have the luxury miami, SAS and the others have. praising those coaches for resting their guys and bashing MDA for not is foolish, because they are in totally different circumstances.

NY_NIGHTS
04-13-2013, 10:31 AM
i wounder if this is the last day 90% the Lakers Fan base disappears

ichitownclowni
04-13-2013, 10:34 AM
Some of you are actually serious that like Kobe is never going to play again...............Do know who we are talking about? Kobe aint going out like this. Chill out boys

wordup45
04-13-2013, 10:36 AM
To the people who say he NEVER could go down like this because of his minutes have to understand one thing: We are all human no matter how superhuman some people like Kobe portray themselves to be. Dwight was never getting hurt and now he's been recovering from a serious back injury. This could happen to Lebron one day, we just never know. We'll have to see how superhuman he is by his recovery from this injury at 35 years old and if he can't do it, he'll know it and that'll be it. If that's the case, that's okay, we all witnessed greatness and we just have to move on and he will too. All good things must come to an end.

NY_NIGHTS
04-13-2013, 10:40 AM
some of these laker trolls a jokes like jimmer

2-ONE-5
04-13-2013, 10:41 AM
had nothing to do with his minutes. just an unfortunate freak injury

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:42 AM
Some of you are actually serious that like Kobe is never going to play again...............Do know who we are talking about? Kobe aint going out like this. Chill out boys

i can't imagine a circumstance where kobe goes out like this. he'll go out on his own terms...and he's still got gas left in the tank (duh). serious injury, but even at his age he can recover and be a decent NBA player.

wordup45
04-13-2013, 10:49 AM
had nothing to do with his minutes. just an unfortunate freak injury

We'll never know for sure, I guess but while Kobe has proven he can play through anything this is something he can't play through and I hope it helps us realize that no one is superhuman and we can't just assume that those kind of players could NEVER go down like this.

DallasTrilla23
04-13-2013, 10:51 AM
Even tho I hate the lakers, it really sucks to see this.

Blitzbolt
04-13-2013, 10:52 AM
I don't agree this is on Kobe.

beasted86
04-13-2013, 10:53 AM
I really hope this is not the way Kobe goes out. A legend deserves better than this.

Blitzbolt
04-13-2013, 10:54 AM
I don'tcare about the lakers fans I think they deserve this.

Now on Kobe as a human I do feel terrible you don't like any players going out like this at that age.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 10:59 AM
it's on the lakers for bringing in a coach like MDA who had no chance of being an authoritative figure over bryant, and whom they never tried to help him become that authoritative figure. it's on them for the poorly constructed team.

it's on MDA for not trying to be a bit more authoritative and running kobe into the ground.

it's on Kobe for his hubris.

it's on everyone because if this was a team sitting comfortably in the playoffs kobe very well would have been resting last night. every underachieved this year (besides kobe offensively and a few tertiary players). if they didn't, again, the heavy minutes wouldn't have had to have happened.


spread the blame fairly. this isn't any one person's fault.


and at the very least, it could just be chalked up to a fluke injury. achilles' injuries can be a resultant of over usage, but they can be just acute injuries that we label as fluke as well. we don't know for certain. ultimately, it could have just been a fluke injury...like we see time and time again.

seikou8
04-13-2013, 11:01 AM
wow wow did this really happen

BKLYNpigeon
04-13-2013, 11:03 AM
if kobe was that injured he would have left the game. you guys are reading too much into this.

BklynKnicks3
04-13-2013, 11:11 AM
makes me sick honestly i look forward to those 10:30 laker playoff games, only 2 non knicks i always watch kobe crawford

Teeboy1487
04-13-2013, 11:15 AM
I hate to blame MDA because Kobe would have done the same thing with anyone. Still, as a coach, you have to know when to rest your player even if he is being stubborn. You have to reign him in. I just hate Kobe had to learn this the hard way.

Caveman508
04-13-2013, 11:38 AM
For real I hate Kobe , but that sucks for any athlete, but Kobe's still a douche

FYL_McVeezy
04-13-2013, 11:51 AM
OH ****....

I WAKE UP TO THE NEWS THAT KOBE HAS A TORN F'N ACHILLIES?!?!?!

im a laker and Kobe hater but wouldn't wish an injury on my worst enemy.....basketball won't be the same w/o Kobe in the playoffs.....

Get well soon Mamba.....

JasonJohnHorn
04-13-2013, 11:52 AM
Yeah... playing a guy his age almost 40 minutes a game? That is crazy! Mike Brown did the same thing last yaer as well though... it's rough...

Backstabber
04-13-2013, 12:00 PM
D'Antoni has a history, and Laker fans should have known this. The guy likes to ride players. Remember Amare 2010, burnt out toward the end of the season and eventually bowed out the playoffs with freak back injury (everyone knew Amare couldn't keep up that pace)

Jeremy Lin? He played him like 46 min/game for like 11 games in a row, injured for the playoffs.

Now running Kobe into the ground. Always right around the playoffs. The guy is a fraud, Lakers won't win with this guy.

tbone2171
04-13-2013, 12:15 PM
:clap: Wake up to see Tiger gets added a two-stroke penalty at the Masters and Coby Briant pops his achilles. Karma's a *****

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 12:15 PM
Nash might not want to come back next year either, Artest is probably gone and Gasol they will probably start over. And Hope Dwight resigns. Mike was playing Kobe 48 minutes and he went down the first time and kept playing him.

Baller1
04-13-2013, 12:23 PM
As a person, I wish Kobe a full recovery and hope he's okay as a human being.

As a full time Laker hater, and someone who despises everything about the Lakers...

:dance: :dance: :dance:

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 12:24 PM
Dwight aint coming back thats a given, sucks that Lakers traded for him but didnt lose a lot in Bynum. It was worth a try.

Jarvo
04-13-2013, 12:32 PM
#PrayforKobe :(

I mean you guys are too damn dramatic with injuries now, It sucks but **** happens he had to carry the Lakers all year and his body was breaking down something was bound to happen to him and it sucks it's this.

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 12:32 PM
As a person, I wish Kobe a full recovery and hope he's okay as a human being.

As a full time Laker hater, and someone who despises everything about the Lakers...

:dance: :dance: :dance:

dude they werent going anywhere this season so it really didnt matter

Jarvo
04-13-2013, 12:35 PM
I think Kobe could careless if Howard stays or not.

DumDum
04-13-2013, 12:35 PM
maybe its time for the lakers to rebuild not just "reload" every team has to do it some time in their history

NYSpirit1
04-13-2013, 12:42 PM
Hey Laker fans, Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash. 2012-2013 Lakers. 70 wins. u mad?

:hi5:

shep33
04-13-2013, 12:45 PM
Hey Laker fans, Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash. 2012-2013 Lakers. 70 wins. u mad?

:hi5:

Last Knicks championship: 40+ years ago. You mad?

Respect the Knicks, probably the team I watch the most outside the Lakers, but you had that coming

iam brett favre
04-13-2013, 12:48 PM
Too bad Dwight is nothing more than a cancer or him Nash and Gasol would still be enough to at least make the playoffs. Simply pathetic.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 12:49 PM
Kobe Bean tried to defy logic when it was impossible. At 34-years-old, when his counterparts Iverson and McGrady are out of the league, because of injury and old age, Kobe was trying to play 48 minutes a night when he's playing tens of thousands in his career and 17 seasons.

Kobe will never, ever be the same. Baron Davis suffered this injury at 34 and won't ever play again. Billups doesn't remotely look the same. D'Antoni's signing and usage of Kobe Bryant will go down as one of the worst decisions in Laker history.

I've never liked Kobe. Never liked what he stood for. What he was chasing in Michael Jordan. The Colorado incident. His attitude. The way he treats his wife. The whole package. It's fitting that for a guy who wants to be Iron Man that he finally realizes he's human.

An all-time great, but the Lakers franchise will never be the same. Kobe will not be at this level when he returns - if he returns. We'll all assume he will, but it's much more likely that at 35 years old in mid February 2014, he'll return a 18-20 PPG with no athleticism what so ever.

Gtfo.

29$JerZ
04-13-2013, 12:49 PM
Hey Laker fans, Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash. 2012-2013 Lakers. 70 wins. u mad?

:hi5:

This coming from the franchise that has 1 playoff win in 11 years?

See how easy that is? Grow up.

Teeboy1487
04-13-2013, 01:01 PM
Last Knicks championship: 40+ years ago. You mad?

Respect the Knicks, probably the team I watch the most outside the Lakers, but you had that coming

Don't take the bait man. Just ignore trolls like that.

Nyc4You
04-13-2013, 01:02 PM
It disgusts me how some you *****es are celebrating this. No respect for the game whatsoever

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 01:09 PM
I'm most definitely a Kobe and Lakers hater, but I hope he can fully recover. I never want to see someone's career end or change drastically because of an injury. If there's anyone who can recover from it though, it's Kobe.

Doogolas
04-13-2013, 01:12 PM
As a person, I wish Kobe a full recovery and hope he's okay as a human being.

As a full time Laker hater, and someone who despises everything about the Lakers...

:dance: :dance: :dance:

You sir, are an *******. Literally no part of this is good news.

What, a first round exit wouldn't have been enough? Literally NOTHING about this is good news.

EXCEPT that we might see the most ridiculously amazing comeback from an injury this side of Peyton Manning.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 01:12 PM
Remember when Kobe raped that teenage girl? Yeah, me too.

You're a pos.

Utd7
04-13-2013, 01:14 PM
This still seems surreal and hasn't sunk in yet. I hope he comes back next season and defies Father Time like he has recently.

beliges
04-13-2013, 01:15 PM
There's not a doubt in my mind Kobe will come back around Christmas of next season, at age 35 and slowly become the dominant force he was now. The man was doing things never been done before at his age, he will also prove how one can suffer such a massive injury and come back in top form.

Utd7
04-13-2013, 01:16 PM
There's not a doubt in my mind Kobe will come back around Christmas of next season, at age 35 and slowly become the dominant force he was now. The man was doing things never been done before at his age, he will also prove how one can suffer such a massive injury and come back in top form.
Yup, I think around Xmas is what he's aiming for.

enitialdee
04-13-2013, 01:18 PM
As a Rockets fan, I feel your pain lakers fan, shoot we lost not one but two franchise player due to injuries "Yao n Tmac" I hate the lakers like no other, but always repected Kobe as a competitor.. Maybe this will humble all you cocky lakers fan for a bit, that until you land another mega star of course..

Nyc4You
04-13-2013, 01:18 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9167017

He looks like hes about to cry. Terrible news, even though im not a lakers fan.

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 01:19 PM
This is already turning into people waxing on about Kobe like he was/is some supernatural player. I didn't think the NBA forum could get worse, but I guess it has.

still1ballin
04-13-2013, 01:28 PM
D'Antoni ran him into the ground

PJ monitored Kobes minuted in 10-11 to 33 minutes per game.

I understand Kobe wanted to play every single minute, but the coach has to manage his team and needed to rest Kobe, regardless if he wanted to come out or not.

I hope he gets fired as soon as we either miss the playoffs/1st round exit!

still1ballin
04-13-2013, 01:29 PM
Prove all the doubters wrong Mamba!

He will be back!

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 01:30 PM
When Kobe comes back he will never be the same

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 01:31 PM
Kobe wouldn't have let himself play less. The team was fighting all year to reach the playoffs. Not a chance Kobe was sitting more minutes for an injury he never expected.
Finding people to blame is going to become silly. Next it will be the GM for not finding a way to add more depth to this team.

Exactly. There was no way Kobe wasn't going to be playing those minutes given the fight they are in for the playoffs. If you want to blame D'Antoni for them being in that position, fine (even though it is more Dwight and PAu than anything else), but 40+ minute games are what it was going to take to make the playoffs

ManRam
04-13-2013, 01:32 PM
D'Antoni ran him into the ground

PJ monitored Kobes minuted in 10-11 to 33 minutes per game.

I understand Kobe wanted to play every single minute, but the coach has to manage his team and needed to rest Kobe, regardless if he wanted to come out or not.

I hope he gets fired as soon as we either miss the playoffs/1st round exit!

for one season, when they had the luxury of not having to worry about making the playoffs. it's not apples to apples here.

i don't disagree that he played too much, but i disagree that the blame for that has to be placed squarely on MDA

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 01:33 PM
Prove all the doubters wrong Mamba!

He will be back!

Yeah, I think he'll be back and at least be close to what he was.

Hawkeye15
04-13-2013, 01:33 PM
to say it's the saddest day in sports is ridiculous. Superstars retire and get hurt at times, effectively ending their career.

That being said, I don't really like Kobe, but have always respected him as an all timer. It sucks to see his career possibly end like this. Even if he comes back, at his age, he will most likely never be the same player. It would have been nice if he had a better ending to his career.

Top 10 ever. Longevity out the ***. Unreal consistency. Sucks to see him get this type of injury at this stage.

beliges
04-13-2013, 01:36 PM
This is already turning into people waxing on about Kobe like he was/is some supernatural player. I didn't think the NBA forum could get worse, but I guess it has.

Well what he was doing this year had never been done before. It was unprecedented to dominate the game as much at this point in ones career. So on that basis it was somewhat supernatural.

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 01:39 PM
drazen petrovic's death is the saddest day in sports

beliges
04-13-2013, 01:40 PM
One way or another the second greatest perimeter player to ever play and one of the 6 greatests to lace em Up.

Love him or hate him, basketball wont be the same without Kobe.

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 01:41 PM
Well what he was doing this year had never been done before. It was unprecedented to dominate the game as much at this point in ones career. So on that basis it was somewhat supernatural.

But it isn't unprecedented and has been done before. Without even trying to think of other players who played well at that age, all you have to do is look at Jordan to see that it isn't unprecedented.

LAKERMANIA
04-13-2013, 01:43 PM
to say it's the saddest day in sports is ridiculous. Superstars retire and get hurt at times, effectively ending their career.

That being said, I don't really like Kobe, but have always respected him as an all timer. It sucks to see his career possibly end like this. Even if he comes back, at his age, he will most likely never be the same player. It would have been nice if he had a better ending to his career.

Top 10 ever. Longevity out the ***. Unreal consistency. Sucks to see him get this type of injury at this stage.

Saddest day in sports is a relative thing.

AddiX
04-13-2013, 01:49 PM
A lot of people saw this coming, everyone except mike D at least.

I have thought Kobe was either on epo or hgh all year, so I'm not surprised he burned out his Achilles one bit. There's something up about a guy who was clearly on the decline for years and played the minutes with the production he did this year.

IMO Kobe is dirty. I don't think he could handle the idea of being in decline and handing the team over to Nash and Dwight, so he started juicing. Worked his poor Achilles until it went "pop".

LongIslandIcedZ
04-13-2013, 01:50 PM
Seems very similar to Jeter going down.

And just like Jeter, you can bet your *** this will not be Kobe's last game.

DoMeFavors
04-13-2013, 01:55 PM
A lot of people saw this coming, everyone except mike D at least.

I have thought Kobe was either on epo or hgh all year, so I'm not surprised he burned out his Achilles one bit. There's something up about a guy who was clearly on the decline for years and played the minutes with the production he did this year.

IMO Kobe is dirty. I don't think he could handle the idea of being in decline and handing the team over to Nash and Dwight, so he started juicing. Worked his poor Achilles until it went "pop".

i actually agree with this

Bruno
04-13-2013, 01:57 PM
It disgusts me how some you *****es are celebrating this. No respect for the game whatsoever

x2. true colors shining through.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:00 PM
Any news on kobe?

kenzo400
04-13-2013, 02:01 PM
It's not a career ending surgery, but who cares if it is? Kobe has accomplished enough in his career, he will be fine. It's not going to hurt the game much either because let's face it "he's not that exciting anymore" There are plenty of younger players that can bring entertainment to the fans.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 02:02 PM
It disgusts me how some you *****es are celebrating this. No respect for the game whatsoever

happens every time someone great gets hurt, unfortunately. not just a kobe thing, just a ****** person thing.

sunsfan88
04-13-2013, 02:03 PM
Anyone know when his MRI is scheduled for?

ManRam
04-13-2013, 02:04 PM
this is a great read, btw. except, i don't think he's quite "dead".

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/4/13/4220320/kobe-bryants-martyrdom-deserved-a-better-cause


Kobe Bryant's martyrdom deserved a better cause

We've all heard the phrase before. Some of us may even have used it. "I'm going to run this marathon, or die trying." "I'm going to finish this project, or die trying." It is a statement of will, a statement of commitment. It is a statement that eliminates quitting as an option. A statement that you will do what it takes to get the job done, no matter what that is, and if the job does not get done, it will be because it was not possible to do. For the last few weeks, Kobe Bryant has been making that statement with his play, with his commitment, and with his unwillingness to leave the court for even a second. Kobe Bryant was going to get the Los Angeles Lakers into the playoffs, or die trying.

He died trying.

Nobody ever talks about that part. About how having complete and undeterrable commitment to a cause doesn't always work. About how ignoring logic and reason saying that what you are trying to do can't be done, or paying no mind to your body screaming that enough is enough, sometimes has consequences beyond failure to achieve your goal. The concept is noble, and it often makes the difference between success and failure. But it makes that difference because it is unreasonable, because you are willing to risk more than the other guy, more than is worth what you are trying to achieve. In any fight, it's the guy who's willing to die, who's gonna win that inch ... unless the guy, who's willing to die, dies.

I knew it was coming. I didn't know what IT was, or just how bad it would be, but watching Kobe drop shot after shot, make play after play while he limped his way around the court yesterday, I was overwhelmed with equal parts amazement and dread. When he hyper-extended his knee, I cursed the basketball gods. When he twisted his ankle, I cried out for mercy. I wanted Kobe to leave the game, wanted Mike D'Antoni to sack up and say "Enough is enough." It was as clear as day that Kobe's body was breaking down under the strain, and it was only a matter of time before he asked too much of himself. And then it happened.

Obviously, Kobe Bryant still lives and breathes. He is not actually dead. But, as sports metaphors go, he suffered the closest thing to a basketball death as can be. If, as expected, Kobe has suffered a complete tear of the Achilles tendon, that is among the most severe injuries that one can suffer without delving into freak accidents and unfortunate genetics. The recovery timetable will most likely be between nine months and one year, and that benchmark has been established by younger men, many of whom don't come back quite the same. The only precedent at Kobe's age is just across town, where 35 year old Chauncey Billups has attempted to return from a ruptured Achilles he suffered in February of 2012. More than a year later, Billups has returned to the court, but nowhere near his previous level of play. A ruptured Achilles is an injury that has ended the careers of younger men, chief among them Isiah Thomas. Nobody can know what the future holds for Kobe, but the guy was already talking about not wanting to play if he couldn't do so at an elite level when all that he was fighting against was time. Still, you would be foolish to bet against Kobe Bryant, because he has found another inch to die for.

At least this inch will be worth it.

As Kobe waddled off the court like some sort of penguin-man hybrid, there was a potent cocktail of emotions brewing in my head. Sadness, for Kobe's loss and, much less so, because of how this hurts the Lakers' chances this season. Pride, at seeing Kobe continue to fight to the bitter end, sinking two free throws on one leg, two points which exactly made up the winning margin for his team on the night. Fear, that I was witnessing something much worse than the end of a season that has disappointed from the start. But the primary emotion was anger. Anger at Coach D'Antoni for allowing Kobe to reach this point. Anger at Kobe for failing to listen to his own body's cries. And above all, anger that Kobe was willing to sacrifice himself, was willing to drive his body so far into the red zone that a simple push off detonated his heel, for this.

This Lakers season has been an abomination. What started off which such promise of magic quickly turned into something unrecognizable and horrifying. Injuries robbed the team of an early chance to work out the kinks. The team's attitude after five games was bad enough to get Mike Brown the axe, and while I agreed with the move at the time, it quickly became clear when he was replaced that the team's attitude problems went far beyond an over-matched coach. Mike D'Antoni was hired in such an idiotic manner that he had his legs cut out from under him before he even coached a game. Even if D'Antoni was the perfect man for the job (an illusion I certainly don't hold on to anymore), the flirtation with Phil Jackson before his hire ensured the worst possible environment for him to inherit. He had no fan support. He probably had little team support. And the team made no improvement whatsoever.

The injuries continued to pile up, right along with the terrible losses. A loss in Sacramento was a warning shot, but the loss in Los Angeles to the Orlando Magic was a full broadside indication of how many things were wrong with this squad. Even when they tried hard, they failed to convince anybody of their merits as a contender of any kind ... and they rarely tried hard. In Cleveland, at home to Philadelphia, in Toronto; time after time, the Lakers played teams they should beat with little effort, all while getting beat down by teams better than them. A couple more wins from this arrangement of crap, and maybe the Lakers aren't quite so desperate just to even get in to the playoffs. If you think Kobe Bryant's injury is tied to Kobe Bryant's attempt to will the Lakers into the playoffs, like I do, then Kobe didn't just get hurt last night. He got hurt in every single one of those stupid, stupid losses.

Nothing the Lakers did this season worked. They compiled an All-Star roster of starting talent, only to see every single one of their starters pick up a major injury over the course of the season. They changed coaches and kept right on sucking. Dwight Howard was brought in to inherit the franchise, and I'm still not 100% sure I even want the Lakers to re-sign him. Steve Nash was brought here for pennies on the dollar and, through no fault of his own, may not have been worth the pennies. And just when you thought the season couldn't get any worse, Dr. Buss was taken from us, too. The Los Angeles Lakers are one of the best, most successful, most storied, and most blessed franchises in the history of the NBA. For sixty plus years, they have reigned over the NBA with the kind of luck and good fortune that would be rightfully described as the mandate of heaven. It shouldn't be possible to reverse all that good karma, to even out all the good with equivalent bad luck and misfortune in one season. And yet, if that hasn't been achieved, it has not been for lack of trying. This season was 60 years of accumulated bad luck being paid back in six months.

This is what Kobe sacrificed himself for. Not for a chance at a sixth ring. Not to lead his team into the NBA Finals. Not to get through a small rough patch. He sacrificed himself to get a mediocre team with little chemistry and no identity into a first round playoff date that would likely have ended quickly in failure. Kobe Bryant was willing to do what it takes, to sacrifice everything for his cause, and that's exactly what he did. He made himself the martyr of Lakerdom. Maybe he did it because he thought the Lakers could pull it together for a magical run. Maybe he did it because of his own responsibility in allowing the team to develop so many of the issues that plagued them all season long. Maybe he was killing himself to get the team into the playoffs as a mea culpa for his failure to lead them into a better position early on. Maybe he did it because he couldn't imagine the possible consequences. I don't know, I'm not him.

What I do know is that no basketball cause is worth what happened to Kobe Bryant, and this cause wasn't worth much at all.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:04 PM
It disgusts me how some you *****es are celebrating this. No respect for the game whatsoever

i hate it when people comment without knowing both sides.
these same "laker fans" were rooting for lebron to be injured.
so excuse me if im happy that karma just ****ed them in the ***.

aside from that, im sure noone else wishes any harm onto kobe.
i hope he comes back stronger than ever and maybe his slurpers can learn a thing or two about humility.

The hardest thing in sports is to have a rational discussion with a kobe fan.
remember, I said kobe fan, not Laker fan since there are a few good ones.

AddiX
04-13-2013, 02:08 PM
In one Achilles tear the lakers lost Kobe and Dwight.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:09 PM
In one Achilles tear the lakers lost Kobe and Dwight.

if dwight leaves, won't he be leaving A LOT of money on the table?

beliges
04-13-2013, 02:10 PM
Well what he was doing this year had never been done before. It was unprecedented to dominate the game as much at this point in ones career. So on that basis it was somewhat supernatural.

But it isn't unprecedented and has been done before. Without even trying to think of other players who played well at that age, all you have to do is look at Jordan to see that it isn't unprecedented.

Mj played 15 seasons and even he wasn't elite from seasons 14-15 (wizards). What Kobe did was truly unprecedented. Take a look at the top 10 players. Nobody on that list dominated the game as long as Kobe did.

DODGERS&LAKERS
04-13-2013, 02:12 PM
i hate it when people comment without knowing both sides.
these same "laker fans" were rooting for lebron to be injured.
so excuse me if im happy that karma just ****ed them in the ***.

aside from that, im sure noone else wishes any harm onto kobe.
i hope he comes back stronger than ever and maybe his slurpers can learn a thing or two about humility.

The hardest thing in sports is to have a rational discussion with a kobe fan.
remember, I said kobe fan, not Laker fan since there are a few good ones.

You mean two Laker fans said that. So Karma for them, maybe. But why mention it for everyone else?

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 02:13 PM
In one Achilles tear the lakers lost Kobe and Dwight.

Eh, I think this could make Dwight staying easier at the same time. If he and Kobe didn't get along as we've heard, not having Kobe next year for however long makes him happy as the team would be Dwight's for sure. Major market as the unquestioned face of the franchise? I can definitely see him staying.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:15 PM
You mean two Laker fans said that. So Karma for them, maybe. But why mention it for everyone else?

no it was more like 5. and they all were whining when i told them to calm down in the Lakers forum.
you can find the forum yourself and read their BS

and im not mentioning every lakers fan, i said karma for people like them.

i know there are good fans and bad fans in every fanbase and i feel the pain for the true laker fans because with wade we went through a lot of crap..

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 02:15 PM
Mj played 15 seasons and even he wasn't elite from seasons 14-15 (wizards). What Kobe did was truly unprecedented. Take a look at the top 10 players. Nobody on that list dominated the game as long as Kobe did.

Just look at MJ's age 34 season as that's what we're actually comparing. Kobe could very well have declined like MJ the next two years anyway, so why compare seasons later in MJ's career when we don't know what will/would have happened to Kobe in those same years anyway.

hidalgo
04-13-2013, 02:18 PM
Mj played 15 seasons and even he wasn't elite from seasons 14-15 (wizards). What Kobe did was truly unprecedented. Take a look at the top 10 players. Nobody on that list dominated the game as long as Kobe did.MJ played 3 college seasons before that though, & was playing basketball all the time anyway (& played baseball for about 2 years). # of seasons is overrated, it's age, & MJ was mvp at age 35 in 1998

people need to relax, it isn't like KB died, or will never play again, drama queens. he'll come back & douche up the league & avg 25-27 ppg, & be the big hero, no worries there. in reality, he's only missing 2 games reg season & maybe 6 playoff games. possibly the first month of next year but i doubt that.(if it's even a true torn achilles, which i'm not buying until it's official. in my mind he's playng until it's official that he's out) Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, etc, now those are tragic stories. so many great player have had serous injuries, why should KB be imune? MJ broke his foot & missed basically the whole 86 season. these things happen. anyway, KB is protected by the basketball Gods & will be Mr Hero boy next season, so chill

mngopher35
04-13-2013, 02:19 PM
This sucks, it's that simple. It doesn't matter who your a fan of or if you dislike the lakers/kobe, this just sucks. He has been one of the best players in the league for a long time. I really hope he can recover and play again next year, because even though I root against his team it would be a shame if that's the last I got to see of him playing basketball.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:20 PM
Just look at MJ's age 34 season as that's what we're actually comparing. Kobe could very well have declined like MJ the next two years anyway, so why compare seasons later in MJ's career when we don't know what will/would have happened to Kobe in those same years anyway.

longevity is def up there with kareem and malone. and pls dont compare jordan's and kobe's lol jordan retired twice.

Im_in_Mia_bish
04-13-2013, 02:20 PM
This sucks, it's that simple. It doesn't matter who your a fan of or if you dislike the lakers/kobe, this just sucks. He has been one of the best players in the league for a long time. I really hope he can recover and play again next year, because even though I root against his team it would be a shame if that's the last I got to see of him playing basketball.

bingo.

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 02:25 PM
longevity is def up there with kareem and malone. and pls dont compare jordan's and kobe's lol jordan retired twice.

Just comparing same-age seasons to show that it is not unprecedented to have the season he was having at this age

LakersIn5
04-13-2013, 02:26 PM
In one Achilles tear the lakers lost Kobe and Dwight.

dwight aint winning s hit with houston, dallas or atllanta. you could also say that to the current laker team. so leaving wont make sense. in L.A hed be making more money, plus its the lakers.

still1ballin
04-13-2013, 02:29 PM
Most points in an NBA game since 2000: 81 Kobe Bryant, 65 Kobe Bryant, 62 Kobe Bryant, 61 Kobe Bryant, 60 Kobe Bryant.

BEAST

hidalgo
04-13-2013, 02:34 PM
dwight aint winning s hit with houston, dallas or atllanta. you could also say that to the current laker team. so leaving wont make sense. in L.A hed be making more money, plus its the lakers.i dunno, i think Houston could become pretty scary with Dwight. but i think he stays in LA. Lakers always get what they want with that kinda stuff

JLynn943
04-13-2013, 02:36 PM
i dunno, i think Houston could become pretty scray with Dwight. but i think he stays in LA. Lakers always get what they want with that kinda stuff

Yeah, and the possibility of no Kobe makes it Dwight's team - which I'm sure he wants

AddiX
04-13-2013, 02:41 PM
Eh, I think this could make Dwight staying easier at the same time. If he and Kobe didn't get along as we've heard, not having Kobe next year for however long makes him happy as the team would be Dwight's for sure. Major market as the unquestioned face of the franchise? I can definitely see him staying.

After this season and looking forward to still being stuck with mike D and a broken version of Kobe and a older Nash, I cant imagine why Dwight would come back. Its not like Dwight is loved out there either, he's gone.

Kobe did everything in his power to crap on Dwight during the year, and take dwights shine away from day one. Kobe came out the gate chucking shots acting like dwight didnt even exist. Now the lakers will lose him.

First thing lakers need to do is ditch mike D. I still can't believe they ever hired him, after watching his Knicks debacle.

IKnowHoops
04-13-2013, 02:44 PM
Well what he was doing this year had never been done before. It was unprecedented to dominate the game as much at this point in ones career. So on that basis it was somewhat supernatural.

Jordan dominated more than Kobe at the same age.

hidalgo
04-13-2013, 02:48 PM
After this season and looking forward to still being stuck with mike D and a broken version of Kobe and a older Nash, I cant imagine why Dwight would come back. Its not like Dwight is loved out there either, he's gone.

Kobe did everything in his power to crap on Dwight during the year, and take dwights shine away from day one. Kobe came out the gate chucking shots acting like dwight didnt even exist. Now the lakers will lose him.i predicted that would happen. i said there was no way KB would let Dwight even sniff 20ppg, & looky what happened. it was such an easy prediction. i said he'd make damn sure he avg 25-27 ppg (& he went for more than that even), instead of bring it down to 21 or 22 like he should & let Dwight get 20ppg, let Nash get 10 apg (i predicted KB would only allow Nash to get around 7 apg, & Steve got even less than that). it had to be all KB all the time, instead of a true team dynamic. after Shaq left & as much as kb hated being the #2 guy, i knew he'd never take a step back for the good of a team ever again no matter the cost to the team, all him all day. he actually quit doing that in 03 & 04 & it cost them titles. dude's a serious douche, i mean real REAL bad

Hawkeye15
04-13-2013, 02:48 PM
Saddest day in sports is a relative thing.

Then put it in relevance is all I am saying. It may very well be Laker or Kobe fans saddest day (depends on age), but to say its the saddest day in sports is a reach.

Still a disappointing end most likely. Would have liked to have seen him go out on his own terms.

jerellh528
04-13-2013, 02:50 PM
This is the most sad sports day i've experienced since Brett Favre retired from GB.

hidalgo
04-13-2013, 02:52 PM
This is the most sad sports day i've experienced since Brett Favre retired from GB.they kicked him out of GB, he wanted to return

NeverSayNevur
04-13-2013, 02:53 PM
Most points in an NBA game since 2000: 81 Kobe Bryant, 65 Kobe Bryant, 62 Kobe Bryant, 61 Kobe Bryant, 60 Kobe Bryant.

BEAST

That can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

IKnowHoops
04-13-2013, 02:55 PM
Mj played 15 seasons and even he wasn't elite from seasons 14-15 (wizards). What Kobe did was truly unprecedented. Take a look at the top 10 players. Nobody on that list dominated the game as long as Kobe did.

Compare production using age, not year in the league. Mike was 39-40 when he played on the wizards. At 34 Mike was an MVP winning 72 games in a season.

Jenceman
04-13-2013, 03:01 PM
That can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

No, it can't.

LAKERMANIA
04-13-2013, 03:05 PM
Then put it in relevance is all I am saying. It may very well be Laker or Kobe fans saddest day (depends on age), but to say its the saddest day in sports is a reach.

This is the relevance.

Hawkeye15
04-13-2013, 03:06 PM
This is the relevance.

yep, and that I agree with.

goldenstater
04-13-2013, 03:10 PM
as Much as i Dont Like the Lakers or a lot of their OBNOXIOUS fanbase i have come to respect Kobe as a player and complete competitor. i wish him well and hate to see something like this happen to any player. hope him the best. and if it is the sad end of a great career, what a career is was.

Hardaway Here
04-13-2013, 03:11 PM
It's every ones fault but Kobe people act like if MDA benched him or managed his minutes Kobe would just take that lying down. Kobe would of got back on the floor asap. Your fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

Hellcrooner
04-13-2013, 03:20 PM
We should have had sloan, he would have had the balls to sit kobe against his opinión.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:22 PM
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2QKKhoZqZ

:clap: :violin:

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:27 PM
There will be ZERO title runs with this team. Kobe or no Kobe. Good try.

What ever you say buddy. We were storm towards the playoffs, and our trio was balling out of control. Playoffs start at 0-0 and we were playing our best ball.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:29 PM
As a Magic fan I can't help but chuckle. Karma. Enjoy the first round exit Dwight...

Yet another classless clown.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 03:30 PM
What ever you say buddy. We were storm towards the playoffs, and our trio was balling out of control. Playoffs start at 0-0 and we were playing our best ball.

they were playing well, for sure.

but you guys haven't beaten a WC playoff team on the road since December 22. you have to understand why no one thinks they were a credible threat in the playoffs.

Monta is beast
04-13-2013, 03:31 PM
Lakers fans, calling people classless clowns, aha

AddiX
04-13-2013, 03:31 PM
Yet another classless clown.

I can't blame Orlando fans for enjoying this a little. After what they went through over Dwight just to get back Aaron afflalo? Yeah, there allowed to enjoy this.

dalton749
04-13-2013, 03:32 PM
wouldnt it be funny if this whole thing turned out to be a minor tweak after the mri and hes back in a week

ManRam
04-13-2013, 03:35 PM
I can't blame Orlando fans for enjoying this a little. After what they went through over Dwight just to get back Aaron afflalo? Yeah, there allowed to enjoy this.

i've enjoyed the lakers woes (though i have made it clear i wanted them in the playoffs), but i don't enjoy THIS.

ThaDubs
04-13-2013, 03:35 PM
I hope Kobe gets better quick and doesn't retire. Obviously an all time great especially on the offensive end of the floor. Never seen a 34 year old work like he does, and if he does retire D'Antoni's gotta take some blame for it with all the minutes he's be playing him, especially last night. But I can't help but feel like this is just Kobe paying for David Stern's karma. Seems like he's really trying to nudge the Lakers into the playoffs.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:35 PM
Hey Laker fans, Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash. 2012-2013 Lakers. 70 wins. u mad?

:hi5:

:facepalm: Enjoy a 0-4 series vs the Heat you classless girl.

ThaDubs
04-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Lakers fans, calling people classless clowns, aha

Especially coming from illusionist lol xD

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:37 PM
It disgusts me how some you *****es are celebrating this. No respect for the game whatsoever

Thank you bro.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 03:38 PM
Especially coming from illusionist lol xD

i'm pretty sure he does some sort of rain dance every night where he instead of dancing for rain he's dancing for LBJ's career to end.


but i agree with the rest. if this makes anyone happy, well, you're doing the whole being a fan of sports thing wrong.

Clippersfan86
04-13-2013, 03:39 PM
Grade 3 Achilles Rupture which is a full rupture.

Clippersfan86
04-13-2013, 03:40 PM
This is from Gary Vitti's mouth himself. To be exact when asked about Kobe's Achilles situation he started with "There's none there". 6-9 months recovery time BUT he will obviously come back for a month or two with severe minute restrictions. So likely he will miss all of next year.

ThaDubs
04-13-2013, 03:41 PM
Like I said, this is all Stern's karma. He wants to see the Lakers in the playoffs so he gives them 50 FT's. Then this happens. If this ain't karma idk what is. Still terrible to see a legend go out like this where sometimes it seems like he's the only one trying.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 03:43 PM
This is from Gary Vitti's mouth himself. To be exact when asked about Kobe's Achilles situation he started with "There's none there". 6-9 months recovery time BUT he will obviously come back for a month or two with severe minute restrictions. So likely he will miss all of next year.

how do you deduce that from what you just said? 6 months would be before the start of the season. 9 months would be before the ASG.

SportsFanatic10
04-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Like I said, this is all Stern's karma. He wants to see the Lakers in the playoffs so he gives them 50 FT's. Then this happens. If this ain't karma idk what is. Still terrible to see a legend go out like this where sometimes it seems like he's the only one trying.

it's some of their fans karma as well with comments like these...


Man, any other team but the Heat. I don't mind having the streak broken, but them? Last time I want that to happen!

I am really hoping for LebRon to tear an ACL. I don't know how Rose and other players who are athletic jumping all over the place get injured but this orangutang stays healthy forever.


Son....of....a.....*****. I hate that God damn team. Lebaldy seriously needs to tear his ACL already. I can't stand that fruitcake.

of course every fan base has idiots like this, but it's rare that these kinda remarks come back to bite you in the *** so hard.

Clippersfan86
04-13-2013, 03:47 PM
how do you deduce that from what you just said? 6 months would be before the start of the season. 9 months would be before the ASG.

I deduce that because I'm a fan of a team who's player just had the same grade 3 rupture last year and happens to be the same age but with significantly less miles on his body. These aren't exactly common injuries, you know that right? Grade 3 and 4 Achilles ruptures that is.

Billups returned in about 10 months but was on severe minute restrictions and his surgeons told him to expect a bunch of random injuries from not pushing the body for that long (which happened, will happen with Kobe too I'm sure). This made it to where the actual recovery was more like 12-13 months. Not to mention another surgeon said 6-9 months is very very generous for a player this age (again I know from watching Billups go through it just last year and this year. Kobe likely won't suit up till March-April at the soonest which is missing most of the season.

Kobe has 3 seasons more mileage on his body than Billups AND is the same age as Billups when he ruptured. I understand Kobe's a superb worker and headstrong but so is Big Shot.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:47 PM
they were playing well, for sure.

but you guys haven't beaten a WC playoff team on the road since December 22. you have to understand why no one thinks they were a credible threat in the playoffs. True, but we were playing very well, and Kobe was in beast mode. I think we have a chance at anyone in a seven game series with no back to back.


i've enjoyed the lakers woes (though i have made it clear i wanted them in the playoffs), but i don't enjoy THIS.^

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:48 PM
they were playing well, for sure.

but you guys haven't beaten a WC playoff team on the road since December 22. you have to understand why no one thinks they were a credible threat in the playoffs.


I hope Kobe gets better quick and doesn't retire. Obviously an all time great especially on the offensive end of the floor. Never seen a 34 year old work like he does, and if he does retire D'Antoni's gotta take some blame for it with all the minutes he's be playing him, especially last night. But I can't help but feel like this is just Kobe paying for David Stern's karma. Seems like he's really trying to nudge the Lakers into the playoffs.

You seem upset about us winning last night.

Tayzak15
04-13-2013, 03:50 PM
I deduce that because I'm a fan of a team who's player just had the same grade 3 rupture last year and happens to be the same age but with significantly less miles on his body. These aren't exactly common injuries, you know that right? Grade 3 and 4 Achilles ruptures that is.

Billups returned in about 10 months but was on severe minute restrictions and his surgeons told him to expect a bunch of random injuries from not pushing the body for that long (which happened, will happen with Kobe too I'm sure). This made it to where the actual recovery was more like 12-13 months. Not to mention another surgeon said 6-9 months is very very generous for a player this age (again I know from watching Billups go through it just last year and this year. Kobe likely won't suit up till March-April at the soonest which is missing most of the season.

Kobe has 3 seasons more mileage on his body than Billups AND is the same age as Billups when he ruptured. I understand Kobe's a superb worker and headstrong but so is Big Shot.

There is nobody in the league that takes care of their body like Kobe does though, even if he isnt back to what he was physically he is smart enough to adjust his game. He will never lose his skillset. Wouldn't shock me one bit to see him in the lineup opening night playing a few minutes here and there, but around Christmas time seems like a more reasonable return time.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:50 PM
i'm pretty sure he does some sort of rain dance every night where he instead of dancing for rain he's dancing for LBJ's career to end.


but i agree with the rest. if this makes anyone happy, well, you're doing the whole being a fan of sports thing wrong.

Why would I wish for Lebron to tear an acl of something, that's weak ****.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-13-2013, 03:50 PM
This is from Gary Vitti's mouth himself. To be exact when asked about Kobe's Achilles situation he started with "There's none there". 6-9 months recovery time BUT he will obviously come back for a month or two with severe minute restrictions. So likely he will miss all of next year.

Vitti said he could be back for the season opener. Not sure where you are getting all of next season from that (even if Kobe takes 9 months, which I doubt). I am actually all for him taking his sweet time. Better to be safe than come back soon and injure something else.

ILLUSIONIST^248
04-13-2013, 03:51 PM
Like I said, this is all Stern's karma. He wants to see the Lakers in the playoffs so he gives them 50 FT's. Then this happens. If this ain't karma idk what is. Still terrible to see a legend go out like this where sometimes it seems like he's the only one trying.

:facepalm: God some people are just plain dumb.

Bruno
04-13-2013, 03:52 PM
i just struggle to blame a coach for a serious injury. i know achille's injuries can be a resultant of overuse, but still. this is kobe. he's logged minutes like this basically every year but 2010-2011. he's older now than ever, but his body NEVER has failed him like this before. and you know what, he lasted 79 games. it was working. they both wanted it. they both knew it was the best way they could win.

it sucks. it's saddening. but i'm not doling out blame entirely to MDA...regardless of how terrible he is.

no he hasn't manram, his minute distribution in the month of April has far exceeded his averages of the past two season. his minute distribution in the month of April is extreme by any measure, at any point in his career.


Kobe has averaged 45.5 minutes per game dating back to March 30th vs. Sacramento. That average far exceeds his season average by over half a quarter per game, and it surpasses his 2011 average under Phil Jackson by an entire quarter per game. his minute distribution since the end of March has been reckless and dangerous and MDA takes a lot of responsibility for that.

also- blame entirely on MDA? No, not entirely. But MDA was in a position where he was fighting for playoffs and thus his job, which made him desperate. he put his job and reputation above the health of his players; he rode Kobe into the ground, and Kobe and the the training staff let him do it.

ThaDubs
04-13-2013, 03:54 PM
:facepalm: God some people are just plain dumb.

What part of that was dumb? David Stern is trying to nudge the Lakers to the playoffs, that not even debatable at this point... Was it the part about the karma? Or that Kobe is the only one trying on the Lakers roster? I'm confused.

sunsfan88
04-13-2013, 03:55 PM
Confirmed: Kobe has fully ruptured Achilles' tendon, undergo surgery Saturday. Recovery is in 6-9 months

b@llhog24
04-13-2013, 03:56 PM
Kobe wouldn't have let himself play less. The team was fighting all year to reach the playoffs. Not a chance Kobe was sitting more minutes for an injury he never expected.
Finding people to blame is going to become silly. Next it will be the GM for not finding a way to add more depth to this team.

Yep

sunsfan88
04-13-2013, 03:57 PM
What part of that was dumb? David Stern is trying to nudge the Lakers to the playoffs, that not even debatable at this point... Was it the part about the karma? Or that Kobe is the only one trying on the Lakers roster? I'm confused.

You know what the best part is? Stern wanted a Kobe-LeBron Finals even more so than the Lakers just in the playoffs.

So now without Kobe, there is no incentive for Stern to help get the Lakers in the playoffs. The Jazz and Lakers without Kobe are about the same in terms of entertaining.

Hopefully we will now see fair calls in the next 2 Laker games.

JAZZNC
04-13-2013, 03:57 PM
I don't know why anybody over the age of 18 can "hate" players to the point of wishing them to be injured or actually thinking there is anything good about this. This is awful and as a fan of basketball you have to want to see Kobe Bryant healthy and playing. This just sucks. However, it happens all the time to lesser players and there isn't a 28 page long thread dedicated to it.

He can come back from this but I wonder what this kind of thing takes out of his drive. Will be interesting to see what happens from here.

Jahari Kavi
04-13-2013, 03:57 PM
with a rupture, I think it may be more than 6-9 months.....

Lakers + Giants
04-13-2013, 03:58 PM
how do you deduce that from what you just said? 6 months would be before the start of the season. 9 months would be before the ASG.

Exactly.

6 months would be the preseason or start of the season.

How can this add up to missing the whole year?

TBH, i'll be surprised if kobe isn't ready or close to ready by the time the regular season starts. He's already having surgery today. Dude want's to get this **** (rehab) over with asap. Not saying He will do it, but that's definitely his goal no doubt.

OceanSpray
04-13-2013, 03:59 PM
Feel bad for LAL. Make the playoffs and lose Kobe? Damn, a loss either way. Hope those LAL fans can now disappear and stop trolling.

Bruno
04-13-2013, 03:59 PM
Sorry for the loss man... Really sucks to see him go out like that.

:cheers:

sep11ie
04-13-2013, 04:02 PM
Yea, cause Kobe is the easiest dude to tell to sit when the play offs are on the line and all...

OceanSpray
04-13-2013, 04:03 PM
Why are you guys blaming D'Antoni?

1) They wanted to make the playoffs and the best chance was playing Kobe.
2) Kobe insisted on playing. He gave D'Antoni the clear to continue playing. D'Antoni wanted him to take a rest and Kobe refused.

If anything, Kobe's heart is strong as steel but you can't beat father time.. ever.

Bruno
04-13-2013, 04:04 PM
Yea, cause Kobe is the easiest dude to tell to sit when the play offs are on the line and all...

doesn't matter. you don't play a 17 year old vet 45.5 minutes per game for seven games in a row (43 minutes per game over the past 11 games since the injury in march).it will render the entire effort in vein, as we now see.

Lakers + Giants
04-13-2013, 04:05 PM
Feel bad for LAL. Make the playoffs and lose Kobe? Damn, a loss either way. Hope those LAL fans can now disappear and stop trolling.

Pot, meet kettle.

Bruno
04-13-2013, 04:08 PM
Why are you guys blaming D'Antoni?

1) They wanted to make the playoffs and the best chance was playing Kobe.
2) Kobe insisted on playing. He gave D'Antoni the clear to continue playing. D'Antoni wanted him to take a rest and Kobe refused.

If anything, Kobe's heart is strong as steel but you can't beat father time.. ever.

exactly, that's why you don't play him 45.5 minutes per game for two weeks in a row.

MDA isn't 100% to blame but he does get a lot of blame here. he's the head coach and he's in charge of minute distribution. he needed to be able to put on his big boy pants and have some long term perspective here.

there were bigger things at risk than the playoffs. does howard want to come back to a injury, salary cap depleted team after a years worth of drama? will kobe ever be the same? ect

SwatTeam
04-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Exactly.

6 months would be the preseason or start of the season.

How can this add up to missing the whole year?

TBH, i'll be surprised if kobe isn't ready or close to ready by the time the regular season starts. He's already having surgery today. Dude want's to get this **** (rehab) over with asap. Not saying He will do it, but that's definitely his goal no doubt.

He had surgery immediately, because with Achilles tendon ruptures it is medically recommended that if surgery is desired that it's done within 24-48 hours after injury in order to avoid complications associated with swelling. It's not because Kobe wanted to have surgery to get it over with. It's because you need to have surgery ASAP for the best results long-term (good skin closure). Rehab is also not something you can get over with ASAP. Its actually the longest and hardest part of the treatment protocol.

The reason the Achilles tendon is difficult to treat is because it is responsible for plantarflexion of the foot. This is what's required for heel lift esp. in propulsion scenarios. Surgery is the best way to regain use of the tendon but regaining 100% strength to the tendon is not likely. This means Kobe will have difficulty pushing off his leg and rising for jumpshots, dunks, etc. This is the 2nd strongest tendon in the body that he just ruptured. Its also (depending on where the rupture occurred - most likely the watershed region) an area of the body that doesn't have the best blood supply - hint: you need blood to heal. This means that he could possibly have issues with healing. I see many of my patients in clinic who don't heal properly from this surgery and end up with lots of scar tissue and sometimes have to have surgery re-done. This is a serious injury, that's why people are pessimistic about his basketball future. But I can promise you he'll live a long healthy life.

HowFit
04-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Why are you guys blaming D'Antoni?

1) They wanted to make the playoffs and the best chance was playing Kobe.
2) Kobe insisted on playing. He gave D'Antoni the clear to continue playing. D'Antoni wanted him to take a rest and Kobe refused.

If anything, Kobe's heart is strong as steel but you can't beat father time.. ever.

Right on...

Lakers + Giants
04-13-2013, 04:18 PM
He had surgery immediately, because with Achilles tendon ruptures it is medically recommended that if surgery is desired that it's done within 24-48 hours after injury in order to avoid complications associated with swelling. It's not because Kobe wanted to have surgery to get it over with. It's because you need to have surgery ASAP for the best results long-term (good skin closure). Rehab is also not something you can get over with ASAP. Its actually the longest and hardest part of the treatment protocol.

The reason the Achilles tendon is difficult to treat is because it is responsible for plantarflexion of the foot. This is what's required for heel lift esp. in propulsion scenarios. Surgery is the best way to regain use of the tendon but regaining 100% strength to the tendon is not likely. This means Kobe will have difficulty pushing off his leg and rising for jumpshots, dunks, etc. This is the 2nd strongest tendon in the body that he just ruptured. Its also (depending on where the rupture occurred - most likely the watershed region) an area of the body that doesn't have the best blood supply - hint: you need blood to heal. This means that he could possibly have issues with healing. I see many of my patients in clinic who don't heal properly from this surgery and end up with lots of scar tissue and sometimes have to have surgery re-done. This is a serious injury, that's why people are pessimistic about his basketball future. But I can promise you he'll live a long healthy life.

Very informative post. Appreciate it. I still have faith kobe can come back from this by the start of the season or miss a month or 2 of next year. It is obviously his 1st real serious injury, and at this stage of his career it's going to be much more difficult to recover from than his previous injuries. I'll just have to keep faith he and the rest of the lakers medical staff handle this impeccably. Don't rush it, just try to come back healthy next year.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 04:20 PM
I deduce that because I'm a fan of a team who's player just had the same grade 3 rupture last year and happens to be the same age but with significantly less miles on his body. These aren't exactly common injuries, you know that right? Grade 3 and 4 Achilles ruptures that is.

Billups returned in about 10 months but was on severe minute restrictions and his surgeons told him to expect a bunch of random injuries from not pushing the body for that long (which happened, will happen with Kobe too I'm sure). This made it to where the actual recovery was more like 12-13 months. Not to mention another surgeon said 6-9 months is very very generous for a player this age (again I know from watching Billups go through it just last year and this year. Kobe likely won't suit up till March-April at the soonest which is missing most of the season.

Kobe has 3 seasons more mileage on his body than Billups AND is the same age as Billups when he ruptured. I understand Kobe's a superb worker and headstrong but so is Big Shot.

full clean tears aren't necessarily that much worse. he's getting surgery today. we'll see how he recovers, but by all accounts 6-9 month is extremely reasonable. you see younger guys with grade 3 tears bounce back in 5-7 months.

everyone is different. i think we've learned that by now. so we'll see...but i don't think we need to assume he's out next year.

SwatTeam
04-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Very informative post. Appreciate it. I still have faith kobe can come back from this by the start of the season or miss a month or 2 of next year. It is obviously his 1st real serious injury, and at this stage of his career it's going to be much more difficult to recover from than his previous injuries. I'll just have to keep faith he and the rest of the lakers medical staff handle this impeccably. Don't rush it, just try to come back healthy next year.

That's all you can hope for. Its also good to know that Kobe is a multi-millionaire and can get treatment that most patients I see (mostly poor to middle class) could only dream of. I imagine Kobe will be put through some hyperbaric oxygen treatment to increase blood flow, maybe some PRP (platelet rich plasma) injections, and round the clock therapy that will give him the best chance to heal. But with these type of injuries that goal is to not push yourself too hard too early. Kobe needs to let himself heal and then go balls to the wall.

Surgical repairs of Achilles tendon have a 2% re-rupture rate according to the most up to date medical research articles. It takes 6-12 weeks for tendons to heal. Basically, he better listen to his doctors and not to do anything to that leg for at least 3 months, then he can begin rehab. Rehab will not be fun.

sunsfan88
04-13-2013, 04:39 PM
Exactly.

6 months would be the preseason or start of the season.

How can this add up to missing the whole year?

TBH, i'll be surprised if kobe isn't ready or close to ready by the time the regular season starts. He's already having surgery today. Dude want's to get this **** (rehab) over with asap. Not saying He will do it, but that's definitely his goal no doubt.

Exactly. Kobe is going to be ready by next year's pre season and will make Derrick Rose look like a huge POS.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 04:42 PM
no he hasn't manram, his minute distribution in the month of April has far exceeded his averages of the past two season. his minute distribution in the month of April is extreme by any measure, at any point in his career.


Kobe has averaged 45.5 minutes per game dating back to March 30th vs. Sacramento. That average far exceeds his season average by over half a quarter per game, and it surpasses his 2011 average under Phil Jackson by an entire quarter per game. his minute distribution since the end of March has been reckless and dangerous and MDA takes a lot of responsibility for that.

also- blame entirely on MDA? No, not entirely. But MDA was in a position where he was fighting for playoffs and thus his job, which made him desperate. he put his job and reputation above the health of his players; he rode Kobe into the ground, and Kobe and the the training staff let him do it.

sure. this month he's logged 45.5. i was referencing season stats. over the course of the season it fits in line with most of his recent career.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 04:43 PM
Exactly. Kobe is going to be ready by next year's pre season and will make Derrick Rose look like a huge POS.

achille's tear =/= acl tear

ThaDubs
04-13-2013, 04:43 PM
You seem upset about us winning last night.

Didn't think I sounded upset in that post. Speaking of posts, you guys aren't going to post season... upset about that?

OceanSpray
04-13-2013, 05:01 PM
achille's tear =/= acl tear

Yeah, but how long does Rose really need? Kobe will be out there ASAP. Rose is taking more than sufficient. He'll have basically a year and 1/4th of a season to recover.

MyDRoseLikeDeng
04-13-2013, 05:14 PM
Kobes on his last legs while Rose is just at the beginning of what is hopefully a long career. They had different injuries, one is significantly longer in recovery time(3 months). To compare the two is unfair, this has nothing to do with their will, this is about their bodies and how long it takes them to heal

Wade n Fade
04-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Kobe will never be the same. His injury will limit him from being as explosive as the past. 35 is an old # in basketball. The Lakers are going to have a tough decision on their hands when they want to rebuild. Dwight walks away for sure. Kupchak had his chance to get rid of Gasoft and Dwight "the Bum" Howard. I feel sorry for Kobe though, and I hate Kobe. I hope he has a fast recovery. He is one of the most popular (yet overrated) players of all time, so it will hurt the game while he is gone.

Bruno
04-13-2013, 05:26 PM
sure. this month he's logged 45.5. i was referencing season stats. over the course of the season it fits in line with most of his recent career.

when youre 34 and youve been in the league for 17 seasons you don't want your mpg average to be on par with your career average. its still too much, he's second in mpg for the season. his peers like duncan, kg, dirk, pierce and nash play way less minutes. the 45.5 since end of march on top of an average around 38 for the season is too much stress.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 05:26 PM
Yeah, but how long does Rose really need? Kobe will be out there ASAP. Rose is taking more than sufficient. He'll have basically a year and 1/4th of a season to recover.

rose needs as long as he needs :shrug: you don't know that he's taking too much time.

there's a difference too. rose is 24. kobe is 34. rose is in his prime, and rushing back could take even a bigger chunk out of it. he has every right to be cautious.

ManRam
04-13-2013, 05:28 PM
when youre 34 and youve been in the league for 17 seasons you don't want your mpg average to be on par with your career average. its still too much, he's second in mpg for the season. his peers like duncan, kg, dirk, pierce and nash play way less minutes. the 45.5 since end of march on top of an average around 38 for the season is too much stress.

i don't think anyone disagrees that he probably was playing too much. it's a testiment to his drive, to the desire situation they've been in for a month+ and how important he is. his stubbornness too.

do we blame MDA for Kevin ware's injury too? freak injuries happen. it is what it is. could have been solely because he played 5 more minutes a game than he probably should have. or it could have been because **** happens.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-13-2013, 05:47 PM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA

Just off phone with Donald Rose, former Sixers doctor, longtime surgeon to athletes of all kinds. Says Achilles is freak occurrence...recent minutes, fatigue or unrelated injuries likely played no role in Kobe's case.

This has been reiterated by Gary Vitti and several others who are familiar with these injuries.

I don't like Mr. Pringles any more than the next person, but he shouldn't be taking the blame for what happened.

More-Than-Most
04-13-2013, 05:47 PM
Can a Mod update the thread at what post breaks the injury length news so others do not have to search 40 pages

Bruno
04-13-2013, 05:48 PM
i don't think anyone disagrees that he probably was playing too much. it's a testiment to his drive, to the desire situation they've been in for a month+ and how important he is. his stubbornness too.

do we blame MDA for Kevin ware's injury too? freak injuries happen. it is what it is. could have been solely because he played 5 more minutes a game than he probably should have. or it could have been because **** happens.

wares injury was much more of a freak accident. kobe didn't land awkwardly on that ankle, the achilles just snapped on a move he's done a million times. thats wear and tear, playing injured and playing tired. if you consider the age, milage and recent mpg it all adds up to the obvious. as a coaching staff, considering given circumstances and responsible perspective on minute distribution are supposed to be tools for protecting players against injuries than can otherwise be categorized as unlucky.

Eg714
04-13-2013, 05:51 PM
Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA


This has been reiterated by Gary Vitti and several others who are familiar with these injuries.

I don't like Mr. Pringles any more than the next person, but he shouldn't be taking the blame for what happened.

Normally I would agree that he shouldn't take any blame but there whole team has been injured. It's not a coincidence. He mis manages the teams minutes and now it's showing.

RaiderLakersA's
04-13-2013, 05:51 PM
Kobe has logged the equivalent of 20 years of professional basketball on his body. He now has 6 months minimally of recovery, plus however many months it takes for him to get back to game shape, plus whatever time it will take for him to feel that he is playing at his accepted standard.

If this is the worst that Fate has in store for me as a Lakers fan, then I'm your Huckleberry. My money is on Mamba.

sunsfan88
04-13-2013, 05:58 PM
Idk but you called Rose a POS

Only cause he ain't playing. I love D-Rose's game though I ain't a hater.

OceanSpray
04-13-2013, 06:02 PM
wares injury was much more of a freak accident. kobe didn't land awkwardly on that ankle, the achilles just snapped on a move he's done a million times. thats wear and tear, playing injured and playing tired. if you consider the age, milage and recent mpg it all adds up to the obvious. as a coaching staff, considering given circumstances and responsible perspective on minute distribution are supposed to be tools for protecting players against injuries than can otherwise be categorized as unlucky.

I understand where you're coming from but either way, it was going to be a bad situation. If Mike sits Kobe out and they lose, criticism will be brought via why wasn't Kobe playing. If Kobe plays and injures himself, Mike will get blamed. Either way, this is Kobe's competitiveness that got in the way. Do you actually think D'Antoni has the authority to tell Kobe whether or not he should play? Rest assured, if Kobe wanted to rest, D'Antoni wouldn't have mind. He's said countless times that Kobe refused it. Doesn't matter what anyone says.. They still have to keep playing.

flclfanman
04-13-2013, 06:10 PM
Only cause he ain't playing. I love D-Rose's game though I ain't a hater.

This rash of injuries is a big reason why Rose isn't rushing back this season (maybe even playoffs)

Most people who are done for the year came back either earlier or on par with their recovery time (Love, Granger, Kobe, etc.) and people who came back from big injuries are struggling to stay healthy (Rubio, Noah, and 2 weeks ago Gibson).

What confidence does a guy have in coming back from injury when a bunch of other guys with the injury bug keep getting bit?

asandhu23
04-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Its the end of the Kobe Bryant era.

lakerfan85
04-13-2013, 06:16 PM
Didn't think I sounded upset in that post. Speaking of posts, you guys aren't going to post season... upset about that?

Gotta love fans who's team hasn't done **** in forever... When the Nuggets ***** slap you guys in the first round expect to hear all about it from me.. Of course there's still a possibility that you fall to the eight seed and have to play OKC..

OceanSpray
04-13-2013, 06:19 PM
Its the end of the Kobe Bryant era.

It was over when James came to the league..

asandhu23
04-13-2013, 06:21 PM
It was over when James came to the league..

STOP. No, it wasn't. They had a decent rivalry and NOW it is the end.

lakerfan85
04-13-2013, 06:24 PM
It was over when James came to the league..

Up until last season what had Lebron done?

beliges
04-13-2013, 06:31 PM
It was over when James came to the league..

Up until last season what had Lebron done?

He had great regular seasons.

DaLakerz Rulz
04-13-2013, 06:33 PM
Up until last season what had Lebron done?

He crowned himself King!

4milesperday
04-13-2013, 06:35 PM
Its the end of the Kobe Bryant era.

The era ended a while ago

Missing56&33
04-13-2013, 06:51 PM
It's been really sad watching the Lakers this year. The injuries and guys not playing worth a **** other than Kobe. To think they were just about to bring Phil Jackson back then lose him to Mike D'antoni is so tragic.

D'antoni took advantage of Kobe and his loyalty to the Lakers by playing him like a 23 year old instead of monitoring his mins and basically using a little common sense.

He did the same thing in NY when Iman Shumpert had a Mcl sprain.....he brought him back to soon then he over played him....samewith Jeremy Lin......the guy is a moron and everytime I see him on post game as the Lakers HC, I thank my lucky stars he's not the Knick HC anymore.

We all know Kobe is the ultimate competitor but the lack of quality coaching and silly *** players around him lead to this terrible injury late in his career.

Fu˘k Dwight....let him walk then fire D'antoni at the end of the season..they are not worthy enough to be associated with the Lakers.

Everything Kobe does at this point in his career is in comparison to MJ and other greats, now he have to miss the playoffs and part of the regular season next year which takes away from his legacy. :pity:

beliges
04-13-2013, 07:18 PM
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I think kobes legacy is set as the #2 perimeter player of all time and perhaps a top 6 player to ever play.

Clippersfan86
04-13-2013, 07:44 PM
Denial is strong in here. 6-9 months minimum doesnt mean 9 months at most. It means it could technically be more than 9 months. Other surgeons today said to expect him out more like a year. Billups took 11 or 12 months and he's always been extremely fit and hard working too. Stop being naive and assuming best case scenario is the ONLY scenario.