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Mayweather&NYK
03-26-2013, 06:53 PM
I was thinking about the once dominant nba stars that seemed to wither away as they declined with age and I thought about how some of these greats still seem to linger their talents in this league for example... Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Grant hill.... these at least remain capably competitive... but there seems to always be that age range where the drastic difference is noticeable from the Superstar to the aged Vet. I would say between 34-36yrs this stage is where the decline occurs. My question is how long can LeBron be LeBron and can you even imagine him NOT being the most dominating force this league has seen since Shaq or if ever. I cant find myself able to envision LeBron declining like that barring any major injury... Way too physically imposing... Phenomenal physique and conditioning... I mean look at how Kobe is able to remain elite at his age and as great of shape as he's in, He's no LeBron when it comes to the Peak NBA condition... So at what age does LBJ begin his decline into the inevitable and how long can he DOMINATE the NBA for?

fadahway
03-26-2013, 07:07 PM
Oh lord.

Chronz
03-26-2013, 07:09 PM
He reminds me of Karl Malone or Magic Johnson when he came back from retirement to play PF, so I hope your right, I can see him becoming more of a PF ( which has already begun) as he ages, he did his longevity a favor by becoming this defensively versatile player and his shooting has continued to improve. His vision will NEVER go away. I dont see why he cant last in the league.

But in terms of being the most dominant player, I dont think thats going to last much longer, IMO I think we are witnessing the best Bron has to offer. I say hes done as the games best by 32, Durant will be like 28 by then no?

NoahH
03-26-2013, 07:09 PM
I think he'll be one of those guys who retires when he's still producing. eg.. Michael Jordan, Larry Bird and apparently Kobe

mngopher35
03-26-2013, 07:20 PM
I think he has like 2-3 more years as the best, and then durant takes over. He has been improving in a lot of different areas over the years (shooting, defense, post game) and it should help him age a little better. He will probably still be a good player for another 6 years or so but I doubt he gets any more dominant over the next few years. He has peaked already athletically and it will slowly fade away overtime but those other attributes I mentioned along with his passing will be enough to keep him as a great player.

Tony_Starks
03-26-2013, 07:55 PM
I can see his points going down in a few years. Once he starts losing athleticism no way he'll still be getting to the rack with such ease.

His assist may go up though as he transitions into more of a point forward role.

UCF2007
03-26-2013, 09:21 PM
I believe honestly with the rehab technologies and advances in the game now along with the freakish nature of LeBron's build and track record of never being injured he can dominated into his mid 30's. That being said I feel like with LeBron's mentality from what we know I feel like he would be one of those players that wouldn't play in his decline (i.e. he would leave on top) like a Deacon Jones (the best example I could come up with).

JasonJohnHorn
03-26-2013, 09:42 PM
With his conditioning I can see him playing at this current level until his mid-30's, and even then he'd be able to play at an all-star level. Malone was still capable of 20/10 at 40 (he was just on the Lakers who gave Kobe and Shaq the ball first).

Malone is a rare case, not sure LBJ could up that level for that long, but if anybody in the league could today, I'd say it be him. Duncan though is also playing at a very high level.

ztilzer31
03-26-2013, 09:55 PM
He's a physical freak that will be able to play above the rim for most of his career. It's his post game that will give him longevity though. You'll probably see him lose a little weight further down the road to keep up his speed, and lift.

KnicksorBust
03-26-2013, 09:57 PM
He reminds me of Karl Malone or Magic Johnson when he came back from retirement to play PF, so I hope your right, I can see him becoming more of a PF ( which has already begun) as he ages, he did his longevity a favor by becoming this defensively versatile player and his shooting has continued to improve. His vision will NEVER go away. I dont see why he cant last in the league.

But in terms of being the most dominant player, I dont think thats going to last much longer, IMO I think we are witnessing the best Bron has to offer. I say hes done as the games best by 32, Durant will be like 28 by then no?

Pretty much this although I think he could still be in a power struggle for alpha dog into the mid 30s. He's got the most complete skillset in the league. Even deteriorating athleticism won't be nearly as detrimental to his game now that he has a post-game (see: Kobe/MJ) and can shoot from the perimeter. I particularly liked that you mentioned his vision. His IQ and unselfishness will always be of value.

b@llhog24
03-26-2013, 09:59 PM
He's could realistically be a top 7 player for another 8-10 years.

LongWayFromHome
03-27-2013, 02:00 AM
The most games he's ever missed is 7. He is pretty darn durable.

LeperMessiah
03-27-2013, 02:03 AM
The most games he's ever missed is 7. He is pretty darn durable.

But I think age will catch up to him at a logarithmic rate.

DumDum
03-27-2013, 02:10 AM
The problem with your post is kobe no where near Elite

jerellh528
03-27-2013, 02:11 AM
Id say around 30, he will start to lose athleticism just as most do and will most likely start to decline.

bholly
03-27-2013, 02:15 AM
But I think age will catch up to him at a logarithmic rate.

Exponential?
Logarithmic growth would slow as time goes on, right? Meaning the effect of age increases slower and slower.

G-Menfan4lyfe
03-27-2013, 02:28 AM
Nobody noticed the porn troll a few posts up?

LeperMessiah
03-27-2013, 02:33 AM
Exponential?
Logarithmic growth would slow as time goes on, right? Meaning the effect of age increases slower and slower.

I did not book that, yes exponential. Thank you.

LeperMessiah
03-27-2013, 02:34 AM
Nobody noticed the porn troll a few posts up?

(Silently ignoring). Nice seeing a real vag instead of the internet warriors we see here.

RiceOnTheRun
03-27-2013, 05:45 AM
3-4 more years for the reign of King James, then a 28 year old KD will be taking over. It's nothing to be ashamed of though, Lebron will still be a top 10 player at that point but KD is an amazing talent that can only grow more and more. Lebron's a great influence on him as well, causing him to continually push himself until he surpasses him and even then keep working. Lebron will always be a relevant player until the day he retires but he's not exactly a sharpshooter and he plays a physically intensive game so I don't see him being a Kidd or Nash but maybe a Tim Duncan. I'm not so sure about his Heat team however, they'll only be getting older and older while OKC will have Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka blossoming at around the same time a few years from now. D-Wade is no sharpshooter either so he won't age as gracefully as Nash/Kidd coupled with his health I see him retiring around 34-36 unless he works on that which he still can.

TLDR;
Lebron will NEVER decline into irrelevance but I give him 3-4 more years at most before OKC takes over.

b@llhog24
03-27-2013, 08:14 AM
Exponential?
Logarithmic growth would slow as time goes on, right? Meaning the effect of age increases slower and slower.

Yes.


Nobody noticed the porn troll a few posts up?

Yea but if you quote it, you'd get banned.

Dade County
03-27-2013, 09:54 AM
Oh lord.

:laugh2: Thank you for that!

theheatles
03-27-2013, 10:10 AM
LeBron is going to shatter all significant all time records because of how long he'll play. He's been taking professional care of himself since he was 16. I have heard stories of Kobe and MJ making fun of older players when they were young about how they'd ice or get treatment after games. LeBron is not only more genetically gifted but he has put in more work off the court to sustain his career and abilities.

dalton749
03-27-2013, 10:39 AM
he will retire while hes still one of the best and his headband can still cover his hairline

Sly Guy
03-27-2013, 10:44 AM
I can see his points going down in a few years. Once he starts losing athleticism no way he'll still be getting to the rack with such ease.

His assist may go up though as he transitions into more of a point forward role.

I agree. Longevity comes from a jumpshot or a wiley post game. LeBron can have one or even both if he continues to work at it, but right now he's still using athleticism as his primary asset.

ManningToTyree
03-27-2013, 11:03 AM
There is no reson why he can't be an all star into his late 30s. His game is so versatile. Once his athleticism fades he still has a high basketball IQ and a constantly improving post game and jumper to fall back on.

KnicksorBust
03-27-2013, 01:39 PM
I agree. Longevity comes from a jumpshot or a wiley post game. LeBron can have one or even both if he continues to work at it, but right now he's still using athleticism as his primary asset.

What are you talking about? The Heat have basically banished Bosh from consistently posting up just to give the block to LeBron and Wade. LeBron can post-up and he's almost a 40% shooter from 3pt now.

Greet
03-27-2013, 01:44 PM
What are you talking about? The Heat have basically banished Bosh from consistently posting up just to give the block to LeBron and Wade. LeBron can post-up and he's almost a 40% shooter from 3pt now.

Agreed, Lebron's game has been complete this year.

Munkeysuit
03-27-2013, 01:52 PM
You need to look no further than Michael Jordans career, dude was top of the world physical specimen, with athletic abilities to rival track stars and high jumpers...then as he got older, he only had the baseline fadeaway as a go to. Lebron will be the same but more effective as he actually passes the ball.

LongIslandIcedZ
03-27-2013, 01:54 PM
As long as he continues to improve his jumpshot, he will still be lethal at an old age. His IQ and playmaking ability are unmatched right now for his size. He wont be able to get to the rim at will and he probably wont be as durable, but he'll still be able to control the flow of the game.

JerseyPalahniuk
03-27-2013, 05:05 PM
People who are mentioning other players' age (Karl Malone, etc) when they were still playing at an All-Star level should note that Lebron has played THE most minutes for a 28 year old in league history. Injuries aside, he would most likely keep that title as a 29, 30, 31 year old etc.

What we can't know, however, is whether new advances in conditioning/technology will help offset that work horse load he has had for his career.

Tony_Starks
03-27-2013, 07:00 PM
I hate to mention his name for fear of trolls and haters but he should look at Kobe. If he keeps working on his mid range and footwork takes care of his body the way Kobe does there's no reason he won't still be elite even when he has a lot of mileage....

Aust
03-27-2013, 11:17 PM
He better continue improving his shot, because when he starts to lose that athleticism, he's going to need something to compensate..