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sunsfan88
03-23-2013, 01:34 AM
I remember when Favors was drafted back in 2010, everyone was hyping up this guy saying he's going to be a big time player and this and that. Everyone said that he was "raw" back then and that he will eventually become a big player in a few years.

Well its been 3 years and Favors still has yet to take the next step as a star player. His best season so far is this year and even then he's barely averaging 9 points a game and 6 rebounds.

He couldn't even beat out Jefferson/Millsap and when they were injured, Favors wasn't even that great in the starting lineup.

He definitely has insane athleticism but people were comparing this guy to the Amare that was in PHX.

Thoughts on Derrick Favors? Is he still going to be a star player and just needs more time or have we seen enough?

DumDum
03-23-2013, 01:38 AM
I think they being to cautious with him. they should traded one the guys you mentioned to improve the team and move favors in to the starting line up. I don't see amare in him

chicagocubsfan
03-23-2013, 01:49 AM
When you say that he couldn't even beat out Jefferson/Millsap, you do realize that both of them are good players and are the reason that the Jazz are even close to a playoff spot.

Jumba
03-23-2013, 01:56 AM
Consider the coach part of the issue

Vinny642
03-23-2013, 02:01 AM
never liked him much as a player

KniCks4LiFe
03-23-2013, 02:04 AM
I do. Just not on that team w/ that coach.

sunsfan88
03-23-2013, 02:05 AM
When you say that he couldn't even beat out Jefferson/Millsap, you do realize that both of them are good players and are the reason that the Jazz are even close to a playoff spot.

Yea but neither of them are star players like Favors is supposed to be.

Guppyfighter
03-23-2013, 02:39 AM
Corbin sucks. Favors should be starting.

KniCks4LiFe
03-23-2013, 02:44 AM
corbin sucks. Favors should be starting.

this!

ThaDubs
03-23-2013, 02:49 AM
Corbin sucks. Favors should be starting.

He doesn't produce enough when he gets minutes. And who the hell would he start over lol?

Guppyfighter
03-23-2013, 02:51 AM
He doesn't produce enough when he gets minutes. And who the hell would he start over lol?

He'd start over Big Al. Their offense would be worse but the defense would stop being much maligned.

KniCks4LiFe
03-23-2013, 02:52 AM
Al or Paul take your pick. Favors should be starting. He's nearly averaging a double double off the bench. :laugh2:

KniCks4LiFe
03-23-2013, 02:54 AM
He'd start over Big Al. Their offense would be worse but the defense would stop being much maligned.

not for nothing that's who I would have dealt Shumpert for w/o even thinking twice.

5ass
03-23-2013, 02:57 AM
I think so. He's putting up 15-10-2.6-1.3 per 36 min. He's still 21, and has a ways to go, but his potential is somewhere between prime Kenyon Martin to Elton Brand. Im guessing he'll be closer to Elton Brand.

Manimal
03-23-2013, 04:37 AM
Favors is awesome. Utah second unit consisting of Favors, Kanter and Hayward consistently does better than their first unit.

YoungOne
03-23-2013, 05:37 AM
he is stuck behind millsap and jefferson..

b@llhog24
03-23-2013, 06:13 AM
I think his potential is overrated tbh.

Swashcuff
03-23-2013, 08:04 AM
Defensively Favors is already better than Amar'e ever was and is already a better rebounder as well. His offense however needs some serious work. He shot just 42% from the field in his 8 starts this season where he averaged 10, 10 and 2+ bpg. As a full time starter he can develop into a 14 and 12 type player with top tier calibre defense. I don't know but that's star value if you ask me.

waveycrockett
03-23-2013, 08:06 AM
You dont watch the Jazz at all. Favors has been very good for them. He is one of the best big man defenders in the NBA right now and offensively is still improving every year. Also consider the Jazz have had some terrible PG's which would help him a ton. He just doesnt' get the minutes he needs because of Kanter, Al and Millsap. His only issue is staying out of foul trouble.

Bravo95
03-23-2013, 08:25 AM
Yes.

sunsfan88
03-23-2013, 12:11 PM
Defensively Favors is already better than Amar'e ever was and is already a better rebounder as well. His offense however needs some serious work. He shot just 42% from the field in his 8 starts this season where he averaged 10, 10 and 2+ bpg. As a full time starter he can develop into a 14 and 12 type player with top tier calibre defense. I don't know but that's star value if you ask me.

Amare averaged about 9 boards a game during his prime in PHX. Favors has yet to even get 7 boards a game for a season.

dhopisthename
03-23-2013, 12:21 PM
Amare averaged about 9 boards a game during his prime in PHX. Favors has yet to even get 7 boards a game for a season.

he has also never gotten more then 23 minutes a game(per 36 favors is way better). as for the thread he won't ever score 20 points per game, but he should be something around tyson chandler with better offense so it is up to you where you put that under star potential

maddBat
03-23-2013, 12:34 PM
i believe he has the tools to be a star. the 1 thing he lacks the most tho is the killer instinct. he is too passive. but 1 of the better big man defenders.

i miss him on the nets.:crying:

futureman
03-23-2013, 01:21 PM
The terrible Point Guards on the team is one reason he is struggling offensively. The jazz desperatley need an upgrade at the point. Mo Williams is not a true PG.

topdog
03-23-2013, 01:28 PM
As other people have mentioned, Big Al and Milsap are standing in the way of the ascent of Favors and Kanter. Twenty minutes is not enough time to rack up star level stats.

Also, I remembered it being Dwight Howard, not Amaré, that Favors had been compared to - similar raw measurements (at draft time) and a defender first.

I Rock Shaqs
03-23-2013, 01:37 PM
Wow you guys are ridiculous I just went to check his stats and I see he's still 21!!!! I guess 21 is the new 35 when you have no room to improve at all, yeah he's definitely not going to get better and he will never be a star.

IndyRealist
03-23-2013, 03:29 PM
Two factors as to why Favors isn't putting up numbers:
1) He's behind two good veterans on a team pushing for the playoffs. If he were on the Bobcats, Jefferson/Milsap would have been traded and Favors would be starting. But they are fighting for a playoff spot, and most coaches would go with proven, consistent vets the coach can trust. Just like how David West was the de facto starter even when he wasn't playing well his first year in Indiana. You ride your vets when you are a playoff team.


2) He's only in his 3rd year, and big men can take a long time to develop. The training, diet, and discipline it takes to be an NBA big man is vastly different than college, where just being bigger is all you need most nights. Look at guys like Roy Hibbert and Robin Lopez, who didn't realize their potential (I hate that word) until their 4th and 5th years. People considered Tyson Chandler overpaid and a bust until his 10th year. JJ Hickson is looking like a solid player in, you guessed it, his 5th year.

OceanSpray
03-23-2013, 04:01 PM
He needs more minutes. I don't know why Utah didn't make a trade. They aren't going to get the best of their players if they don't give them a chance.

Hawkeye15
03-23-2013, 04:04 PM
star? meh, but a good starting PF who can give you 16-10? Sure.

b@llhog24
03-23-2013, 04:19 PM
star? meh, but a good starting PF who can give you 16-10? Sure.

Seriously, this.

knicks=love
03-23-2013, 05:00 PM
i wonder what DMF thinks

5ass
03-23-2013, 05:24 PM
i wonder what DMF thinks

im not sure that guy thinks.

5ass
03-23-2013, 05:26 PM
He needs more minutes. I don't know why Utah didn't make a trade. They aren't going to get the best of their players if they don't give them a chance.

I think they're holding him back on purpose so he doesnt get a big contract.

Swashcuff
03-23-2013, 08:01 PM
Seriously, this.

16 and 10 at the PF/C with top tier calibre D in this league is a star. Look at the guys who've made all star teams in years past. Ibaka with better scoring and rebounding is a star quite honestly.

b@llhog24
03-23-2013, 08:27 PM
16 and 10 at the PF/C with top tier calibre D in this league is a star. Look at the guys who've made all star teams in years past. Ibaka with better scoring and rebounding is a star quite honestly.

Yea but it's in the lower tier of "stars" is what I'm saying. Some people where actually calling him Amar'e with better defense and rebounding.

knicks=love
03-23-2013, 09:17 PM
im not sure that guy thinks.

touche :eyebrow:

HouRealCoach
03-23-2013, 09:30 PM
He could have already been a 16, 9, & 3 guy maybe if he has gotten the minutes

Swashcuff
03-23-2013, 10:46 PM
Amare averaged about 9 boards a game during his prime in PHX. Favors has yet to even get 7 boards a game for a season.

Really? You're going to compare a guy who plays 20 minutes a game to a guy who played 36 minutes based solely on how many rebounds they get. Does that in any way shape or form seem logical to you?

Chronz
03-23-2013, 11:41 PM
Amare averaged about 9 boards a game during his prime in PHX. Favors has yet to even get 7 boards a game for a season.

Hes talking about skillsets. Amare isnt a good rebounder, Favors is.

imagesrdecievin
03-23-2013, 11:53 PM
Favors is just scratching the surface. His rookie season in NJ was a waste. He's yet to get consistent minutes - once he does his game will grow. He's already ahead of the curve defensively. His work ethic + coachability + insane athetlecism should translate someday to 18 and 10 at the minimum.

topdog
03-24-2013, 12:57 AM
I think they're holding him back on purpose so he doesnt get a big contract.

I wondered myself if that was a possibility.

AWC713
03-24-2013, 01:19 AM
all about opportunity.

look at harden.

i mean, the jazz are pretty log jammed at the PF-C spots...jefferson, millsap, favors AND kanter is one hell of a rotation. let favors be the main guy on a team and he could average 18 and 10, imo. all star potential is still there, and favors is still WAY too young to write him off.

mvb815
03-24-2013, 01:27 AM
favors is fantastic, his time will come

The_Pharouh
03-24-2013, 01:55 AM
I think he will be a solid starter ,but not a star player tbh

JasonJohnHorn
03-24-2013, 05:37 PM
He's a solid rebounder with a decent FG%, fair amount of steals and blocks, but a little high on fouls still.

He'll be in the league for a while, but it's hard to get minutes when you are playing with guys like Al Jefferson and Milsap and Enes Canter.

I expect the Jazz may let Jefferson and/or Milsap walk this seaason, so he'll be getting more minutes next year.

KnicksorBust
03-24-2013, 05:47 PM
He's a solid rebounder with a decent FG%, fair amount of steals and blocks, but a little high on fouls still.

He'll be in the league for a while, but it's hard to get minutes when you are playing with guys like Al Jefferson and Milsap and Enes Canter.

I expect the Jazz may let Jefferson and/or Milsap walk this seaason, so he'll be getting more minutes next year.

They really should have been more active in the trade market. Just letting those guys walk is a huge mistake when they have such a weak team at the 1-2-3 spots.

D-Leethal
03-24-2013, 06:03 PM
I think the superstar potential isn't really there but still a damn good borderline allstar type player.

utl768
03-24-2013, 06:37 PM
if it hasnt clicked yet thats trouble imo

arkanian215
03-24-2013, 06:58 PM
0a

arkanian215
03-24-2013, 07:02 PM
0a

Joshtd1
03-25-2013, 12:38 AM
He was touted as raw coming out of college, and is still a project on offense. Doesn't help he doesn't get starter minutes (which he should).

I'm actually a big fan of Favors. Don't see superstar in him, but as Hawkeye said earlier..16-10 is very imaginable, and a player who could be a defensive anchor.

Joshtd1
03-25-2013, 12:40 AM
He should go to Hakeem in the offseason, or even work with Timmy if he wants to get a more polished offensive game. With his superior athleticism..if he could get any resemblance of a post game along with a respectable jumper he'd be damn good. He should even try to learn from Big Al who is one of the best post players, with his footwork.

Yunqn
03-25-2013, 01:22 AM
Becase corbin doesnt want to lose his job.. So he plays al & paul to get in the playoffs to make his job look good..

Im pretty sure he could start favors without any arguements or outrage since he is the future and he is talented.. And we seen the max out of jeff & paul.. And favors is just starting..

& IM 100% sure they couldve gotten something for either one of them... They vauled getting to the playoffs & being swept more than building a legit team because of the now factor.. But now they will lose two strong players for almost nothing..

Next year they should either start kanter & favors or trade BOTH.. No reason to draft top 3 pick players to get 10 mins a game..
Its corbins decision and people arent against it because of the other guys being talented at the moment.. But if this was in l.a or ny this would not be the case

Stunner
03-25-2013, 02:26 AM
Imagine Favors In Boston with Rondo

JiffyMix88
03-25-2013, 11:40 AM
Ask DoMeFavors hes been having anal sex with the man since the Nets drafted him.

waveycrockett
03-25-2013, 12:39 PM
Yea but it's in the lower tier of "stars" is what I'm saying. Some people where actually calling him Amar'e with better defense and rebounding.

That's when he was younger. He grew and is way bigger. He can't move like amare. Hisceiling is more like Dwight Howard

timbo888
03-25-2013, 04:09 PM
As a Jazz fan who has watched pretty much every game since he was traded to Utah, I can honestly say I never think his offensive game will be anything special. Just don't see it. He pretty much lacks any skill at creating his own shot. Most of his points are off feeds at the rim for dunks or offensive rebounds. I do however think he will be a perennial Defensive POY candidate for the next 12 yrs starting as early as next year. If he starts next year, I would bet he will lead the league in blocks. Throw in 10-15 PPG and 10+ RPG and he has potential to be very good if not great.

Lo Porto
03-25-2013, 05:12 PM
Jazz fan here too - I don't think Favors will ever be a star. His learning curve on the offensive end is too steep and to become a star in the NBA 99% of the time, you have to hit the ground running early in your career.

Can he become D'Andre Jordan or a very consistent/reliable defender and rebounder for a long time? Absolutely.

Guppyfighter
03-25-2013, 05:47 PM
Jazz fan here too - I don't think Favors will ever be a star. His learning curve on the offensive end is too steep and to become a star in the NBA 99% of the time, you have to hit the ground running early in your career.

Can he become D'Andre Jordan or a very consistent/reliable defender and rebounder for a long time? Absolutely.
No way, dude. Favors gets a good PG and his numbers will shoot up.

aztr0
03-25-2013, 06:26 PM
No. Not a scrub, but won't get any better than what he is now.

sunsfan88
11-09-2013, 06:08 PM
As other people have mentioned, Big Al and Milsap are standing in the way of the ascent of Favors and Kanter. Twenty minutes is not enough time to rack up star level stats.




He needs more minutes. I don't know why Utah didn't make a trade. They aren't going to get the best of their players if they don't give them a chance.


He could have already been a 16, 9, & 3 guy maybe if he has gotten the minutes

Well he's getting 35 minutes a game now and he's putting up 11 pts, 10 rebounds and 1 block a game on only 41% shooting. As a matter of fact, he's getting the same number of blocks as he did when he was a bench player.

I still don't see the star potential but I think he can definitely be a solid starter in this league.

lol, please
11-09-2013, 06:10 PM
Guy is obviously a bust.

AddiX
11-09-2013, 06:31 PM
Every time I hear his name, I realize I forgot he was even in the NBA.

sunsfan88
11-09-2013, 07:29 PM
Every time I hear his name, I realize I forgot he was even in the NBA.
He was a big part of the Deron Williams trade lol.

birdmann5
11-09-2013, 07:39 PM
Still tough to evaluate him. Had he stayed on Brooklyn and been a starter for the last two years he would be a better player. Corbin has really hurt his development. I don't see him being a star, he will be a really good player though.

Hawkeye15
11-09-2013, 07:44 PM
I don't think he has star power, no.

Ill21
11-09-2013, 07:52 PM
Guy is obviously a bust.

Too young to label him a bust

ThaDubs
11-09-2013, 07:55 PM
You guys are crazy. Averaging 11/10 at 22 is not a bust. :facepalm:

Woodrow
11-09-2013, 11:09 PM
He the same age now as Karl
Malone was as a rookie. Karl Malone himself said a couple months ago that Favors has more talent then he did. Not to mention longer and more athletic.

D-Leethal
11-09-2013, 11:14 PM
Any scrub can put up 11-10 on crappy percentages on the worst team in the league. Hell, Michael Olowakandi had seasons at 11-9, 12-9. I don't see much of a difference maker out of Favors. I do like Kanter though.

I think Jazz didn't get enough love this offseason for their tanking effort. They stole the show from PHX and Philly.

championships
11-09-2013, 11:19 PM
Where's Domefavors opinion on this. Has he been chased/permabanned outta here?

Woodrow
11-09-2013, 11:21 PM
Any scrub can put up 11-10 on crappy percentages on the worst team in the league. Hell, Michael Olowakandi had seasons at 11-9, 12-9. I don't see much of a difference maker out of Favors. I do like Kanter though.

I think Jazz didn't get enough love this offseason for their tanking effort. They stole the show from PHX and Philly.

Hard to predict that Trey Burke would break a finger on his shooting hand.

ewing
11-09-2013, 11:47 PM
Any scrub can put up 11-10 on crappy percentages on the worst team in the league. Hell, Michael Olowakandi had seasons at 11-9, 12-9. I don't see much of a difference maker out of Favors. I do like Kanter though.

I think Jazz didn't get enough love this offseason for their tanking effort. They stole the show from PHX and Philly.

I agree, I like Kanter a lot. Neither will be a star but i think Kanter is more of an impact player.

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 12:32 AM
Well he's getting 35 minutes a game now and he's putting up 11 pts, 10 rebounds and 1 block a game on only 41% shooting. As a matter of fact, he's getting the same number of blocks as he did when he was a bench player.

I still don't see the star potential but I think he can definitely be a solid starter in this league.

Tell me something, are Tyson Chandler and Joakim Noah stars? They are essentially 11 and 10 players and at Favors' age they probably weren't as developed defensively.

If at 25 (where big men's prime years really begin) he can become a 14 and 12 type player on decent efficiency (playing with an actually starting calibre PG would go a LONG way in his development) and solid D he's without a doubt a star potential player IMO.

GiantsSwaGG
11-10-2013, 03:55 AM
Whatever happen to DoMeFavors?

Raps18-19 Champ
11-10-2013, 03:58 AM
Yea. Even if he isn't a star, still good enough to be borderline star.

sunsfan88
11-10-2013, 06:39 AM
Any scrub can put up 11-10 on crappy percentages on the worst team in the league. Hell, Michael Olowakandi had seasons at 11-9, 12-9. I don't see much of a difference maker out of Favors. I do like Kanter though.

I think Jazz didn't get enough love this offseason for their tanking effort. They stole the show from PHX and Philly.

Exactly. He's been in the NBA for 3 years now and he finally gets the starting job and now his team is winless. Coincidence?

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 08:44 AM
Exactly. He's been in the NBA for 3 years now and he finally gets the starting job and now his team is winless. Coincidence?

His team is also PG less, SF less, benchless and so far looks coachless. But yeah its all Favors' fault that his team is winless since he became a starter because we all know basketball is an individual sport.

D-Leethal
11-10-2013, 09:43 AM
Hard to predict that Trey Burke would break a finger on his shooting hand.

I highly doubt Trey Burke is making much impact in the W-L department the way Utah is getting steamrolled this season.


His team is also PG less, SF less, benchless and so far looks coachless. But yeah its all Favors' fault that his team is winless since he became a starter because we all know basketball is an individual sport.

That team isn't built to win games, but if Favors was the real deal I would imagine he would at least be putting up some monster games on that crappy squad and showing us a teaser of his future beast potential ala Drummond last season.

I do think having a PG would help his development - but we did see Drummond do it without a PG last year. Also, Hayward is solid SF and probably the best player on that team.

Woodrow
11-10-2013, 12:08 PM
Two of the three first games were within a couple of points, so ya I think Trey could have made the difference. When you have John Lucas as your starting point guard, there isn't a lot Favors is going to do to change the win loss column. Not to mention that the team as a whole is shooting like 25% from three, so Favs and Kanter are being doubled like crazy.

Turn Up
11-10-2013, 02:53 PM
its going to take atlest 2 more years before we can tell

the idiot jazz should have traded away millsap and started favors a few years ago so he could play 30 mpg and gain more experience and what not, but nope

Swashcuff
11-10-2013, 08:26 PM
That team isn't built to win games, but if Favors was the real deal I would imagine he would at least be putting up some monster games on that crappy squad and showing us a teaser of his future beast potential ala Drummond last season.

You do realize that we're just 7 games into the season right? Drummond is a better defensive player and a better rebounder as well so honestly that's no big surprise. I'd give Favors more than 7 games before I chastise him for not going off and giving us monster games. I remember in years gone by when Favors got the shot at starting he had more than a couple 20 and 5 games, I'd say that's a pretty decent teaser of future beast potential.


I do think having a PG would help his development - but we did see Drummond do it without a PG last year. Also, Hayward is solid SF and probably the best player on that team.

Drummond did have a better PG in Knight than Favors has had to start this season. And the Jazz starting SF is Rich Jeff Gordon Hayward has been heralded as their SG of the future not SF.