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canefandynasty
03-15-2013, 08:15 PM
Which current players will have a 30 PER season sometime in their careers?

Anthony Davis: This guy is very efficient for a rookie. 21.1 rPER and .142 WS/48 at 19 years old. Some current players at their 19 year old campaign:

Kobe: 18.5 rPER | .145 WS/48
LeBron: 18.3 rPER | .078 WS/48
McGrady: 20.6 rPER | .143 WS/48
Kevin Garnett: 15,8 rPER | .092 WS/48
Kevin Durant: 15.8 rPER | .040 WS/48
Carmelo Anthony: 17.6 rPER | .098 WS/48
Kyrie Irving: 21.4 rPER | .125 WS/48
....

I think Kyrie will have 30 PER season as well. He was very efficient for a teenager his rookie season and he seems more like a shoot first PG, and PER inflates for high volume scorers, while we assume he'll have a high usage since he'll have the ball alot in his hands, and he plays for the Cleveland Cavaliers afterall. He won't have perennial 30 PER seasons like LeBron, but he will be very efficient like CP3 in his prime, but a better scorer and worse passer.

Those are the only 2 I've got so far. I'm sure there will be more, but those 2 almost +.

b@llhog24
03-15-2013, 08:18 PM
Durant, that's about it.

rockbottom2010
03-15-2013, 08:24 PM
andrew wiggins
dakari johnson

Chronz
03-15-2013, 08:53 PM
While I was dead wrong about Kyrie's immediate impact in the game and his prospects in general, I maintain his potential is pretty limited. I can see some high end numbers, but in terms of this statistic, your talking about some truly physically dominant talents. Davis/Durant are obvious ones I can see.

Ima throw 1 homer vote for Blake tho, hes got it physically and any shortcomings athletically arent picked up by PER. If he ever finishes rounding out his game and gets his own team while in his prime, hes going to put up big numbers I think.

ThaDubs
03-15-2013, 08:57 PM
Andrew Wiggins

Hawkeye15
03-15-2013, 09:11 PM
Durant is the only current player I would put any money on to reach the 30 mark.

ThaDubs
03-15-2013, 09:20 PM
In Wiggins' best season he will average 32 pts 7.5 rbs 4 ast 1 stl 2 blks on 52% shooting 37% from deep.

Hawkeye15
03-15-2013, 09:21 PM
In Wiggins' best season he will average 32 pts 7.5 rbs 4 ast 1 stl 2 blks on 52% shooting 37% from deep.

While I get the fact that he is looked at as the best prospect since Bron, let the kid play an NBA game before we predict his professional success.

ThaDubs
03-15-2013, 09:22 PM
While I get the fact that he is looked at as the best prospect since Bron, let the kid play an NBA game before we predict his professional success.

Just checked my crystal ball.

Hawkeye15
03-15-2013, 09:28 PM
Just checked my crystal ball.

haha, well, my point stands. Let the kid show he can play with the big boys, and dominate first.

nickdymez
03-15-2013, 09:40 PM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

LAKobeBryant
03-15-2013, 09:54 PM
Brian Scally Jr.

JerseyPalahniuk
03-15-2013, 09:56 PM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

Lebron and Wade are in the top 5...so yes I guess it does

Gators123
03-15-2013, 10:19 PM
For what its worth Andre Drummond has a 22.3 PER and .181 WS/48 and hes only 19. Hes missed the last month but he has still played in 50 games.

Chronz
03-15-2013, 10:23 PM
For what its worth Andre Drummond has a 22.3 PER and .181 WS/48 and hes only 19. Hes missed the last month but he has still played in 50 games.

Thats nuts. Greatest raw prospect at the position in a LONG time. I had a similar feeling with Bynum at a young age only less phsyical, more skilled.

mike 810
03-15-2013, 11:37 PM
Drummond had a higher per rating then Davis b4 the injury playing 11 less minutes
Which current players will have a 30 PER season sometime in their careers?

Anthony Davis: This guy is very efficient for a rookie. 21.1 rPER and .142 WS/48 at 19 years old. Some current players at their 19 year old campaign:

Kobe: 18.5 rPER | .145 WS/48
LeBron: 18.3 rPER | .078 WS/48
McGrady: 20.6 rPER | .143 WS/48
Kevin Garnett: 15,8 rPER | .092 WS/48
Kevin Durant: 15.8 rPER | .040 WS/48
Carmelo Anthony: 17.6 rPER | .098 WS/48
Kyrie Irving: 21.4 rPER | .125 WS/48
....

I think Kyrie will have 30 PER season as well. He was very efficient for a teenager his rookie season and he seems more like a shoot first PG, and PER inflates for high volume scorers, while we assume he'll have a high usage since he'll have the ball alot in his hands, and he plays for the Cleveland Cavaliers afterall. He won't have perennial 30 PER seasons like LeBron, but he will be very efficient like CP3 in his prime, but a better scorer and worse passer.

Those are the only 2 I've got so far. I'm sure there will be more, but those 2 almost +.

dhopisthename
03-15-2013, 11:38 PM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

lol gay's highest per has been 18 and that was a few years ago. I doubt he ever hits 20 per

WARRIORS@GR
03-15-2013, 11:42 PM
The next durant,giannis antetokoubo obviously.

LanceUpperCut
03-16-2013, 12:06 AM
Defiantly none other than a small possibility for Durant. Has there ever been anyone other than Jordan and LBJ to finish a year at 30+ per?

Chronz
03-16-2013, 12:08 AM
Defiantly none other than a small possibility for Durant. Has there ever been anyone other than Jordan and LBJ to finish a year at 30+ per?

Tmac+Wade in the modern era

b@llhog24
03-16-2013, 12:12 AM
Drummond had a higher per rating then Davis b4 the injury playing 11 less minutes

Yea but it's "whose more likely to hit a 30 PER level" rather than "who has the highest PER at the moment." Drummound has a bright future but for comparisons sake C's who've had +30: Shaq, Wilt, Drob and I think maybe KAJ.

I'm not saying Davis is one their level, but he has a more multifaceted game than Drummound which would go a long way in helping him to reach there. (He's not gonna imo, but still).

b@llhog24
03-16-2013, 12:13 AM
Tmac+Wade in the modern era

and Cp3 if you round it up.

bucketss
03-16-2013, 12:22 AM
In Wiggins' best season he will average 32 pts 7.5 rbs 4 ast 1 stl 2 blks on 52% shooting 37% from deep.

wow is wiggins really that highly regarded, seems like just yesterday seeing him embarrass people at Vaughn secondary.

OceanSpray
03-16-2013, 01:56 AM
If Durant can't do it, none of those other players can. Kyrie may be young but is injury prone and reminds me a lot of Dwyane Wade. He'll be amazing but not to the extent of James/Durant.

canefandynasty
03-16-2013, 08:09 AM
If Durant can't do it, none of those other players can. Kyrie may be young but is injury prone and reminds me a lot of Dwyane Wade. He'll be amazing but not to the extent of James/Durant.

Your post don't make sense. You compared Kyrie to D-Wade as a reason to not getting to 30 PER, yet Wade himself has gotten to 30 PER, not to mention he has the 6th highest career PER in NBA history.

Faneik
03-16-2013, 08:51 AM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

having efficient players on the court surely helps

Faneik
03-16-2013, 09:12 AM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

and everybody knows why kobe fans don't like PER

kobe looks bad on it... even westbrook is having a higher PER than kobe this season.

you guys love watching kobe playing hero-ball, but that's just not the best way to win games.

Chronz
03-16-2013, 11:02 AM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

Does this post have a point? No individual stat wins a championship (watever thats suppose to mean I dont know but Im playing your game here).

Seriously, why do you enter threads like this? You come off as a disturbed grandpa who wants the attention on Kobe and never on objective evidence. If you cant provide insight to speculate/criticize, and your not interested the subject matter enough to inquire/investigate, why even post?

Verbal Christ
03-16-2013, 11:17 AM
Harden

OceanSpray
03-16-2013, 12:46 PM
Your post don't make sense. You compared Kyrie to D-Wade as a reason to not getting to 30 PER, yet Wade himself has gotten to 30 PER, not to mention he has the 6th highest career PER in NBA history.

Just because I said he reminded me of Dwyane Wade doesn't mean he is Dwyane Wade. I said in terms of getting injured, he and Wade are similar. Aside from the three point, they are both pretty much the same.

ManRam
03-16-2013, 01:20 PM
It will surely happen again, I just don't think it's gonna be Harden, Irving or the likes.

KD is the safest bet, but even so, I'm not sure he can find a way to get those extra ~2 points.

beasted86
03-16-2013, 01:31 PM
Just because I said he reminded me of Dwyane Wade doesn't mean he is Dwyane Wade. I said in terms of getting injured, he and Wade are similar. Aside from the three point, they are both pretty much the same.

I'm convinced you have no clue what you are talking about.

OceanSpray
03-16-2013, 02:07 PM
I'm convinced you have no clue what you are talking about.

Because you can't read. I said Kyrie and Wade have similar styles in how they play because they are injury proned and Kyrie's career might be shorter than the rest because of that. Similar styles doesn't mean they are the equal. Kobe doesn't equal to MJ and they are alike in so many ways. Learn to comprehend information.

rocket
03-16-2013, 02:22 PM
And Drummond continues to get under appreciated.

I love it

Hawkeye15
03-16-2013, 02:24 PM
Does PER win you championships?

I'd say Rudy Gay

Your post shows you don't even understand the stats you criticize. Gay's PER hasn't even sniffed 20 in his career.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2013, 02:26 PM
Harden

If he continues to develop distribution skills and keeps scoring at a super efficient rate, I can see him approaching it. But I think he tops off at around a 26-26.5 PER personally.

Hawkeye15
03-16-2013, 02:28 PM
And Drummond continues to get under appreciated.

I love it

He does continue to be underrated. Reminds me of KG honestly. Raw as hell, but if the kid focuses himself on the game, could explode into one of the next great bigs.

rocket
03-16-2013, 03:02 PM
He does continue to be underrated. Reminds me of KG honestly. Raw as hell, but if the kid focuses himself on the game, could explode into one of the next great bigs.

He has. I don't remember him doing anything immature or not hustling back yet this season. His work ethic was questioned and he's just LOLing @ those people who questioned it.

JordansBulls
03-16-2013, 03:03 PM
If Dwight can turn into a dominant big he can. If not then Durant probably will.

ManRam
03-16-2013, 03:11 PM
If Dwight can turn into a dominant big he can. If not then Durant probably will.

No. His career high was 26. I figured he'd continue to improve even for a few more years, and he still could, but he has too many deficiencies (TOs, passing and FT%) that will insure that he'll never get to 30. They factor in just enough to all but guarantee that he'll never really pass 26-27.

Chronz
03-16-2013, 03:13 PM
If Dwight can turn into a dominant big he can. If not then Durant probably will.

I think Dwights potential for that is done

Faneik
03-16-2013, 03:15 PM
If Dwight can turn into a dominant big he can. If not then Durant probably will.

huh?

he has been one of the top C's for years, if not the the top one. Isn't that being dominant?

Maybe you want to mean him being the main guy on a team? Offensively & defensively?

anyways... i don't think he will ever reach a 30 PER ranking. don't see the skill in him to be able to do it.

HouRealCoach
03-16-2013, 06:24 PM
I'd say Kevin Durant... But I don't even think he can

Jabari Parker

gwrighter
03-16-2013, 06:37 PM
I'm gonna throw a curve ball out there and say Kevin Love could do it in a 20+ & 15+ season, on 50-40-90 percentages. I think the possibilities only lay in the SF's & PF's of the league right now. Durant, Love, Griffin could do it.

canefandynasty
03-16-2013, 07:59 PM
Because you can't read. I said Kyrie and Wade have similar styles in how they play because they are injury proned and Kyrie's career might be shorter than the rest because of that. Similar styles doesn't mean they are the equal. Kobe doesn't equal to MJ and they are alike in so many ways. Learn to comprehend information.
Wade was more like a young MJ. Kobe was more like an older MJ. Wade and Kyrie are similar in some ways, but I think a much better comparison (in terms of skillset) to Wade would be John Wall, just like Marshon Brooks plays alot like Kobe.

Kyrie isn't really similar to Wade at all. Wade was an absolute freak of nature, offensively AND defensively. Kyrie plays more fundamentally sound.

beasted86
03-16-2013, 09:21 PM
Because you can't read. I said Kyrie and Wade have similar styles in how they play because they are injury proned and Kyrie's career might be shorter than the rest because of that. Similar styles doesn't mean they are the equal. Kobe doesn't equal to MJ and they are alike in so many ways. Learn to comprehend information.
I can read perfectly, I just read what proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Because they both started their careers missing a lot of games doesn't mean they are anything similar in play styes.

In fact, I can't think of one similarity in their game styes other than are both efficient for guards. Their play style is polar opposites. Wade and Rose have similar play styles. Kyrie is similar to Nash or D-Will.

canefandynasty
03-17-2013, 08:32 AM
I can read perfectly, I just read what proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Because they both started their careers missing a lot of games doesn't mean they are anything similar in play styes.

In fact, I can't think of one similarity in their game styes other than are both efficient for guards. Their play style is polar opposites. Wade and Rose have similar play styles. Kyrie is similar to Nash or D-Will.

Of all the guards in the NBA, Wade's most similar style is to John Wall, not Rose.

beasted86
03-17-2013, 08:56 AM
Rose does shoot more jumpshots and 3s than Wade ever did, but Wall is terribly inefficient even if he is always driving to the hoop. I think Rose is a little more similar because of the high flying dunks and circus style layups which was Wade's exact style in younger years, just my opinion. Wall barely dunks like that and is just too inefficient.

OceanSpray
03-17-2013, 12:51 PM
I can read perfectly, I just read what proves that you don't know what you are talking about. Because they both started their careers missing a lot of games doesn't mean they are anything similar in play styes.

In fact, I can't think of one similarity in their game styes other than are both efficient for guards. Their play style is polar opposites. Wade and Rose have similar play styles. Kyrie is similar to Nash or D-Will.

Lol? Do you watch Irving play? I'm going to assume you don't.

iam brett favre
03-17-2013, 01:05 PM
Kanter

Hawkeye15
03-17-2013, 03:26 PM
I'm gonna throw a curve ball out there and say Kevin Love could do it in a 20+ & 15+ season, on 50-40-90 percentages. I think the possibilities only lay in the SF's & PF's of the league right now. Durant, Love, Griffin could do it.

Love would need to improve on his midrange game a ton, as well as his passing game to sniff the 30 PER, but I do see him landing in the 26-27 area in the next couple of years.