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Hellcrooner
03-13-2013, 10:55 AM
Heated rivalries?Not really.
they give up watching and or buying tickets when team is losing.
too fairweather and bandwaggon.
to quiet on the arena ( specially in L.a).
They do fail to put fear in the away teams players hearts.


i mean.

do you see something like this happening?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/13/galatasaray-fans-dig-tunnel-schalke

thats a fan!!! :D

ManningToTyree
03-13-2013, 11:21 AM
Heated rivalries?Not really.
they give up watching and or buying tickets when team is losing.
too fairweather and bandwaggon.
to quiet on the arena ( specially in L.a).
They do fail to put fear in the away teams players hearts.


i mean.

do you see something like this happening?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/13/galatasaray-fans-dig-tunnel-schalke

thats a fan!!! :D

You can't generalize 30 different fan bases like that. Some are more intense than others.

Heated rivalries? Yes. Lakers/Celtics Knicks/Nets and others. Fair weather and bandwagon fans are present in every sport in major cities like LA Boston NY.

Most arenas are into it. The lakers have a different crowd. They arrive late and leave early. Not very intense unless it is the postseason.

I don't get the fear thing. Fans are supposed to be loud, encouraging and at the most distracting. Why should players fear fans? The violent tendencies of some soccer fans abroad is appalling and not something we need. It is a game after all.

Big Zo
03-13-2013, 11:41 AM
Fear the fans??? Take a look at the fans, and then take a look at the court. Most of the fans are white, while most of the players are black. No tall black guy is gonna be afraid of "Marty from accounting" sitting in section 134. lol

kduce
03-13-2013, 11:54 AM
Fear the fans??? Take a look at the fans, and then take a look at the court. Most of the fans are white, while most of the players are black. No tall black guy is gonna be afraid of "Marty from accounting" sitting in section 134. lol

So politically incorrect, but damn funny.

Im not sure about all fan bases in each city, but Pistons fans are pitiful IMO. Im still watching and going to games, but the Palace is so empty most nights that its almost sad. It does seem to me that out of all the major sports that basketball around here is the worst for fans bailing when the going gets tough.

LeperMessiah
03-13-2013, 12:08 PM
Dont care for backlash, I'm not talking about here specifically, but NBA fans are pretty dumb for the most part. Rowdy, uneducated, very strong in their mostly wrong opinion.

sep11ie
03-13-2013, 12:35 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 12:36 PM
You can't generalize 30 different fan bases like that. Some are more intense than others.

Heated rivalries? Yes. Lakers/Celtics Knicks/Nets and others. Fair weather and bandwagon fans are present in every sport in major cities like LA Boston NY.

Most arenas are into it. The lakers have a different crowd. They arrive late and leave early. Not very intense unless it is the postseason.

I don't get the fear thing. Fans are supposed to be loud, encouraging and at the most distracting. Why should players fear fans? The violent tendencies of some soccer fans abroad is appalling and not something we need. It is a game after all.

perfectly said

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 12:37 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

Who cares?

ManningToTyree
03-13-2013, 12:39 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

Habit. Does it ruin your PSD experience? If so, I will do my best in the future to continue to do it.

Hawkeye15
03-13-2013, 12:49 PM
Fear the fans??? Take a look at the fans, and then take a look at the court. Most of the fans are white, while most of the players are black. No tall black guy is gonna be afraid of "Marty from accounting" sitting in section 134. lol

what does the color of a person have to do with whether they are tough or not?

Nats_vcu-Okc35
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
I think basketball in that regard has always had more fair weather fan bases. i believe this is due to the fact that if you're not a Celtic/Laker/Bulls/Spurs fan, you're teams chances of winning are historically, dramatically lower of winning. Those 4 teams have almost 2/3 (43) of the NBA championships. Fact of the matter is, unless you root for those 4 teams, a persons home team has very little chance of winning perennially.

People like teams that win. In that regard, they are cold blooded. The only exception I see are fans who only care about the game itself. These are fans who are willing to deal with the possibility of 5 to 10 to 20 years of having a hometown team being awful until they hit the lottery with a great player. The NBA is made to counteract this malaise by keeping prices high, so that when one of the perennial winners/stars comes to your town, they can pay for those games with "Less than rabid" local fan bases.

If the NBA wanted to sell out every game and have intensely homerized fans they would set up their league for parity, have fewer games, and to be honest, have fewer teams. Seeing as these things are viewed as not being economically sound, you can expect to see a similar product, a league that places all their chips on superstar players, to make up for otherwise watered down teams league wide.

Hawkeye15
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
Forgive me, but being a complete hooligan is different from being a loyal fan. Some of those soccer fans are idiots.

There is plenty of loyalty. I am a Wolves fan, and have watched almost every game for a decade plus. But I am not going to get in a fight over a sports team.

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 01:00 PM
I think basketball in that regard has always had more fair weather fan bases. i believe this is due to the fact that if you're not a Celtic/Laker/Bulls/Spurs fan, you're teams chances of winning are historically, dramatically lower of winning. Those 4 teams have almost 2/3 (43) of the NBA championships. Fact of the matter is, unless you root for those 4 teams, a persons home team has very little chance of winning perennially.

People like teams that win. In that regard, they are cold blooded. The only exception I see are fans who only care about the game itself. These are fans who are willing to deal with the possibility of 5 to 10 to 20 years of having a hometown team being awful until they hit the lottery with a great player. The NBA is made to counteract this malaise by keeping prices high, so that when one of the perennial winners/stars comes to your town, they can pay for those games with "Less than rabid" local fan bases.

If the NBA wanted to sell out every game and have intensely homerized fans they would set up their league for parity, have fewer games, and to be honest, have fewer teams. Seeing as these things are viewed as not being economically sound, you can expect to see a similar product, a league that places all their chips on superstar players, to make up for otherwise watered down teams league wide.

I just want to hear your opinion on how the league is not built for parity...

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Forgive me, but being a complete hooligan is different from being a loyal fan. Some of those soccer fans are idiots.

There is plenty of loyalty. I am a Wolves fan, and have watched almost every game for a decade plus. But I am not going to get in a fight over a sports team.


Agree 1000% ...Any fan who fights over there sports team are morons

ManningToTyree
03-13-2013, 01:04 PM
I just want to hear your opinion on how the league is not built for parity...

the only way would be to contract a team or two.

NYK|NYY
03-13-2013, 01:09 PM
Forgive me, but being a complete hooligan is different from being a loyal fan. Some of those soccer fans are idiots.

There is plenty of loyalty. I am a Wolves fan, and have watched almost every game for a decade plus. But I am not going to get in a fight over a sports team.

/Agreed. Personally I think being a Knicks fan through the 2000s is much more indicative of my fandom than any fighting I have may have done in support of the team~

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 01:10 PM
Forgive me, but being a complete hooligan is different from being a loyal fan. Some of those soccer fans are idiots.

There is plenty of loyalty. I am a Wolves fan, and have watched almost every game for a decade plus. But I am not going to get in a fight over a sports team.

Yes. Those soccer fans are idiots, and Crooner's example is pretty dumb.

You have some of the most racist fan bases exploding fireworks, and trampling people over a Penalty Kick. They throw bananas at the black players, and forbid players from joining their clubs because of their ethnicity. If we are using them as an example, I would be comfortable being as far and away (in comparison) as those idiots who threaten their own players, and are 10x as reckless.

NYK|NYY
03-13-2013, 01:10 PM
the only way would be to contract a team or two.

The NBA should absolutely do this. Would be great for the league by leveingl the competition. Of course they won't but it would be nice.

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 01:11 PM
the only way would be to contract a team or two.

I don't really buy into that anyway....so just for argument's sake say you eliminate the Bobcats and Magic (I chose them because they are the 2 worst records)...they're are maybe 15 players total of the two teams who will be valuable to other teams?? Does it really make that big of a difference

And I actually think basketball is built for parity...

1) They have a salary cap
2) They have a tough luxary tax
3) They have restricted free agents to give teams the best chance at resigning guys they want

What else should they do?

I just think a majority of teams are run poorly

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 01:13 PM
The NBA should absolutely do this. Would be great for the league by leveingl the competition. Of course they won't but it would be nice.

If we are talking about eliminating like 10 teams...I agree it will level the playing field

But 1 or 2? I doubt it

Matrix3132
03-13-2013, 01:17 PM
Leaving early from a blow-out isn't cold blooded, it's more about trying to get to the bars because they already quit selling beer or to get home because they have to get up for work in 7 hours.

Also, I actually think nba fans are fairly intelligent, obviously in a city like LA, going to laker games is more about show and half those people probably can't even tell who's winning, but that comes with la la land.

Just an observation....
I've never seen an nba fan try to pick a fight with children, I've seen nfl fans do that a handful of times.

ManningToTyree
03-13-2013, 01:26 PM
I don't really buy into that anyway....so just for argument's sake say you eliminate the Bobcats and Magic (I chose them because they are the 2 worst records)...they're are maybe 15 players total of the two teams who will be valuable to other teams?? Does it really make that big of a difference

And I actually think basketball is built for parity...

1) They have a salary cap
2) They have a tough luxary tax
3) They have restricted free agents to give teams the best chance at resigning guys they want

What else should they do?

I just think a majority of teams are run poorly

I think it would help. If the NBA is built for parity, why isn't there any? I agree that a lot of organizations are poorly run, but that can't be the only reason.

The NFL has the most parity of any pro league I follow.

NYK|NYY
03-13-2013, 01:26 PM
If we are talking about eliminating like 10 teams...I agree it will level the playing field

But 1 or 2? I doubt it

I think contracting two teams would have a much larger impact than you think. Not immediately but over time, instead of having someone like a John Wall/Kyrie get buried on crappy rosters (Not that they are or ever were, using names as an example), they would go to more competitive rosters than they would under the current dynamic. Over like 3-5 years the product would be better, I'd bet.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2013, 01:47 PM
Yes. Those soccer fans are idiots, and Crooner's example is pretty dumb.

You have some of the most racist fan bases exploding fireworks, and trampling people over a Penalty Kick. They throw bananas at the black players, and forbid players from joining their clubs because of their ethnicity. If we are using them as an example, I would be comfortable being as far and away (in comparison) as those idiots who threaten their own players, and are 10x as reckless.

whos talking bout soccer, or bout violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQAJH_JoXM

when have you seen this atmosphere on a nba game ?

as for the forbid players out of ethnicity? thats the first time i heard that.

bananas? i think that has happened ONCE in italy i think it was, and team got fined as they deserved.

I Rock Shaqs
03-13-2013, 01:48 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

Lmaoo I'm always saying that too lol it just makes that person look dumb as hell.

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 02:08 PM
whos talking bout soccer, or bout violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQAJH_JoXM

when have you seen this atmosphere on a nba game ?

as for the forbid players out of ethnicity? thats the first time i heard that.

bananas? i think that has happened ONCE in italy i think it was, and team got fined as they deserved.

You linked us to a futbol/soccer article showing their loyalty by digging into a stadium.
I'm assuming you're comparing the two sports, and their differentiating together.

Their passion is rooted in violence. It's ridiculous the stories that derive from a huge soccer rivalry game. We hear stories of baseball/basketball/football fans get out of line. We do, I got ran over by a car because I was wearing a Phillies hat in 2010. It's nothing close to the mobs that make up a soccer fan base.

Idk if it was once or several times, fans mocked a black player by throwing bananas at him. I understand it happened awhile back, but that stuff is extremely backwards HERE. Europe still has more visible ethnocentric tendencies compared to America.

I just saw a documentary on HBO about an Israeli/Pakistani soccer club discriminating upon their heritage. That stupid crap like "you can't play for our club because you're Pakistani, and you're a damnation to our soccer club." That actually happens in soccer and its fanbases/upper management.

I don't know what your true motive was here, but our fan bases are at a disadvantage compared to Europe. We have multiple, popular genres of sports (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, etc) so our fans can not center their focus on just one sport. I'm a Sac Kings fan, but my SF 49er's were in the Super Bowl, so of course I'm going to pay more attention to NFL than my Sac Kings. That has a lingering effect on our passion as fans (in terms of being loyal to our specific teams, but having to keep track/root for our respectable teams).

Faneik
03-13-2013, 02:10 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

why are you so dumb to realize that when a thread pops up and you want to answer the OP you don't know if your reply will be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd....10th post?

you quote the OP (if you want to comment directly on it) because your post might be lost in context, if others answer it before while you're typing.

Tried to be a smartass, but you came out as a dumbass.

MaloDaw9
03-13-2013, 02:12 PM
Fear the fans??? Take a look at the fans, and then take a look at the court. Most of the fans are white, while most of the players are black. No tall black guy is gonna be afraid of "Marty from accounting" sitting in section 134. lol

Whats black and white have to do with anything? Is your life that sheltered?

In America we don't have mobs of mindless raging fanatics trying to intimidate players to the point they are fearing for safety instead of focusing on the game. (regardless of color)

But this is America and Marty from accounting could also legally have 40cal from Glock in his waste line and could give 2 ***** about how tall or black a person is.

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 02:15 PM
Also Crooner, you'll never see that kind of atmosphere at a NBA game.

Those soccer games are outside, way bigger complexes, and less regulated. My buddy lived in Marsailles, France for a year. He told me he could walk into a soccer stadium with beer & fireworks. I understand we are the Sac Kings, and broke as ****, but we still do have security & metal detectors at the door.

Totally different atmosphere for several reasons.

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 02:16 PM
I think it would help. If the NBA is built for parity, why isn't there any? I agree that a lot of organizations are poorly run, but that can't be the only reason.

The NFL has the most parity of any pro league I follow.

Just because there isn't parity doesn't mean its not set up for it

I can't answer why some teams are perenial losers, I really can come up with the answer they are very poorly run

I don't buy into the idea that only big market teams succeed either...5 years ago the Knicks and Clippers were the laughing stock of the league and are now are near the top of there conferences...the Spurs have been a great team for over a decade....before KG and Ray Ray came to Boston they weren't title contenders...the Heat were never mentioned as a big market team before Lebron and Bosh went with Wade

So I guess my answer would be that it really comes down to a little bit of luck and having smart people run your orginization

John Walls Era
03-13-2013, 02:27 PM
:laugh:

Faneik
03-13-2013, 02:38 PM
whos talking bout soccer, or bout violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQAJH_JoXM

when have you seen this atmosphere on a nba game ?

as for the forbid players out of ethnicity? thats the first time i heard that.

bananas? i think that has happened ONCE in italy i think it was, and team got fined as they deserved.

that's the beautiful side of it... the chantings.

'Crooner, I'm sure you know about the bad side that comes along with that kind of passion.

The:
- fights, multiple examples of people getting stabbed and dying.
- if the away team fans feel their was robbed, they will wreck the city.

I used to be involved with this when I was a teenager. I supported my home-town team, they were in the Portuguese premier league at the time. We were going to play at home vs a rival team, from a bigger, higher populated near city.

Our ritual was 2/3 ours before the kick-off we gathered at a bar near the stadium, drinking beer and chanting. Basically having fun.

We were inside the bar, about 80/100 of us, rocks were thrown from outside.
We went out, saw 20 of them, started chasing them. We ran after for like 2 mins.
We got baited, there were lots more of them waiting for us with bats and rocks in their hands.

Lots of people went to the hospital, because this kind of passion blinds people, and makes them do stupid things.

Big Zo
03-13-2013, 02:43 PM
Whats black and white have to do with anything? Is your life that sheltered?

In America we don't have mobs of mindless raging fanatics trying to intimidate players to the point they are fearing for safety instead of focusing on the game. (regardless of color)

But this is America and Marty from accounting could also legally have 40cal from Glock in his waste line and could give 2 ***** about how tall or black a person is.

We apparently don't have a sense of humor in America, either.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2013, 02:47 PM
You linked us to a futbol/soccer article showing their loyalty by digging into a stadium.
I'm assuming you're comparing the two sports, and their differentiating together.

Their passion is rooted in violence. It's ridiculous the stories that derive from a huge soccer rivalry game. We hear stories of baseball/basketball/football fans get out of line. We do, I got ran over by a car because I was wearing a Phillies hat in 2010. It's nothing close to the mobs that make up a soccer fan base.

Idk if it was once or several times, fans mocked a black player by throwing bananas at him. I understand it happened awhile back, but that stuff is extremely backwards HERE. Europe still has more visible ethnocentric tendencies compared to America.

I just saw a documentary on HBO about an Israeli/Pakistani soccer club discriminating upon their heritage. That stupid crap like "you can't play for our club because you're Pakistani, and you're a damnation to our soccer club." That actually happens in soccer and its fanbases/upper management.

I don't know what your true motive was here, but our fan bases are at a disadvantage compared to Europe. We have multiple, popular genres of sports (MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, etc) so our fans can not center their focus on just one sport. I'm a Sac Kings fan, but my SF 49er's were in the Super Bowl, so of course I'm going to pay more attention to NFL than my Sac Kings. That has a lingering effect on our passion as fans (in terms of being loyal to our specific teams, but having to keep track/root for our respectable teams).
Oh yeah'

here in my city ( zaragoza)

i can go watch.

Soccer team in top league.
basketball tema in top league.
handball team in top league.
hokcey team in top league ( yes Ice hockey).
Skate hockey team in second league.
voleyball team in top league.
rugby team in secodn devision.
American football team in top league.

go figure.

Faneik
03-13-2013, 02:48 PM
Fear the fans??? Take a look at the fans, and then take a look at the court. Most of the fans are white, while most of the players are black. No tall black guy is gonna be afraid of "Marty from accounting" sitting in section 134. lol

what if marty from accounting is tall and big black dude and the wolves are playing the warriors?

i'm sorry but your post is full of stupidity.

Faneik
03-13-2013, 02:50 PM
We apparently don't have a sense of humor in America, either.

now i can tell that there are doors smarter than you.

you actually think you were funny with that post.

ManningToTyree
03-13-2013, 03:00 PM
Why do people continue to quote the OP when they are the 1st to post in a thread?

why are you so dumb to realize that when a thread pops up and you want to answer the OP you don't know if your reply will be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd....10th post?

you quote the OP (if you want to comment directly on it) because your post might be lost in context, if others answer it before while you're typing.

Tried to be a smartass, but you came out as a dumbass.

Thanks for saving me the time

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 03:06 PM
Oh yeah'

here in my city ( zaragoza)

i can go watch.

Soccer team in top league.
basketball tema in top league.
handball team in top league.
hokcey team in top league ( yes Ice hockey).
Skate hockey team in second league.
voleyball team in top league.
rugby team in secodn devision.
American football team in top league.

go figure.

Ok. So that basketball team in Zaragoza...
Does it have the same intensity as the soccer games in Zaragoza?
Like do the fans dig their way into the basketball arena OR chant for hours like the soccer fans?

I also don't know if you're really singling out LA because fanbases show true passion when there team is successful. Sacramento was one of the loudest arenas in the league when we were pitted against your LA Lakers. **** happens, owners go broke, and now that atmosphere is non existent. The NBA also lost mojo after the NBA lockout last year. That's my opinion, but the sport lost some interest with that incident.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2013, 03:12 PM
Ok. So that basketball team in Zaragoza...
Does it have the same intensity as the soccer games in Zaragoza?Like do the fans dig their way into the basketball arena OR chant for hours like the soccer fans?

I also don't know if you're really singling out LA because fanbases show true passion when there team is successful. Sacramento was one of the loudest arenas in the league when we were pitted against your LA Lakers. **** happens, owners go broke, and now that atmosphere is non existent. The NBA also lost mojo after the NBA lockout last year. That's my opinion, but the sport lost some interest with that incident.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkDM75FUcdo

yep.

Big Zo
03-13-2013, 03:12 PM
DIZ IZ DA INTERNETZ! IZ ALL SERIOUZZZ!
Fixed.

Nats_vcu-Okc35
03-13-2013, 03:53 PM
I just want to hear your opinion on how the league is not built for parity...

Certainly. I believe the tougher cap has effected bad/small market teams, by tying their buying power to TV contracts. Major market teams can still go over the soft cap, paying a tax that only big market teams can afford, even with the stiffer penalties, due to the insanity of some of these tv deals. Bad teams still have little to no motivation to get out of the bottom with revenue sharing, because hey, with the latest CBA coup all teams are now going to be extremely profitable, whether you're good or not.

Many of the teams the CBA was supposed to help, competitive small markets, are now looking at not being able to afford winning rosters outside hitting on the lottery in consecutive years, with a couple rare exceptions. Even then, look at a championship contending team like okc or mem who were the first teams forced by the CBA, to abandon at least one significant piece, as a small market contender.

For a small market team to be a contender they have to have almost all of the following go their way:

Ownership group willing to spend, with a motivation to be competitive.

Elite front office that gets a few contractual steals.

Upper mid to top tier coach

Getting lucky, or getting "Lucky" in the lottery multiple years in a row. (Depending on how much of a megalomaniac you think David Stern is)

Choose to pay 2-3 complimentary superstars/stars, and a bunch low cost role players OR overpay mid level talents and hope a team drafts its own young superstars.

If you would like further examples , look at how even the NBA markets itself. The NBA doesn't sell the name on the front, like the NFL/MLB, they sell the name on the back. Superstars drive this league outside of LA/BOS. Look at commercials/advertisements, media coverage. Its all about superstars and the guys around them, not teams. The only role player I've seen recently in tv commercials is Humpies, and I think we all know why he's in the commercials.

Hell even all the defense sucking rules that the league has carried out over the past 20 years to get scoring up, which benefits offensive superstars, with foul calls, no hand check etc. is evidence enough for me.

Heres a good read if you have the time.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9002028/the-best-bargains-nba

You wanna talk about cold blooded?

NBA owners are cold blooded.

Matrix3132
03-13-2013, 04:08 PM
Certainly. I believe the tougher cap has effected bad/small market teams, by tying their buying power to TV contracts. Major market teams can still go over the soft cap, paying a tax that only big market teams can afford, even with the stiffer penalties, due to the insanity of some of these tv deals. Bad teams still have little to no motivation to get out of the bottom with revenue sharing, because hey, with the latest CBA coup all teams are now going to be extremely profitable, whether you're good or not.

Many of the teams the CBA was supposed to help, competitive small markets, are now looking at not being able to afford winning rosters outside hitting on the lottery in consecutive years, with a couple rare exceptions. Even then, look at a championship contending team like okc or mem who were the first teams forced by the CBA, to abandon at least one significant piece, as a small market contender.

For a small market team to be a contender they have to have almost all of the following go their way:

Ownership group willing to spend, with a motivation to be competitive.

Elite front office that gets a few contractual steals.

Upper mid to top tier coach

Getting lucky, or getting "Lucky" in the lottery multiple years in a row. (Depending on how much of a megalomaniac you think David Stern is)

Choose to pay 2-3 complimentary superstars/stars, and a bunch low cost role players OR overpay mid level talents and hope a team drafts its own young superstars.

If you would like further examples , look at how even the NBA markets itself. The NBA doesn't sell the name on the front, like the NFL/MLB, they sell the name on the back. Superstars drive this league outside of LA/BOS. Look at commercials/advertisements, media coverage. Its all about superstars and the guys around them, not teams. The only role player I've seen recently in tv commercials is Humpies, and I think we all know why he's in the commercials.

Hell even all the defense sucking rules that the league has carried out over the past 20 years to get scoring up, which benefits offensive superstars, with foul calls, no hand check etc. is evidence enough for me.

Heres a good read if you have the time.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9002028/the-best-bargains-nba

You wanna talk about cold blooded?

NBA owners are cold blooded.

What sports have regular commercials with role players? Aren't all sports driven by stars and the names on the back instead of the teams?

ztilzer31
03-13-2013, 04:20 PM
^No. That's just basketball.

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 04:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkDM75FUcdo

yep.

Well....you did mention that the basketball team is best in the league, as well as the soccer team. Just furthers my point, if you're winning, the fans will continue to ooze passion.

People always look at Staples Center, and use it as an example. It's not a great sample because its not s sports town. It a stars town, and that's what the Lakers & Dodgers teams are. Teams full of stars, and fans that pay for entertainment. It's nothing like the Boston Garden where the fans love the game, and their players to death.

Faneik
03-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Well....you did mention that the basketball team is best in the league, as well as the soccer team. Just furthers my point, if you're winning, the fans will continue to ooze passion.

People always look at Staples Center, and use it as an example. It's not a great sample because its not s sports town. It a stars town, and that's what the Lakers & Dodgers teams are. Teams full of stars, and fans that pay for entertainment. It's nothing like the Boston Garden where the fans love the game, and their players to death.

he meant both teams are in the top league. not at the top of the league.

Hellcrooner
03-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Well....you did mention that the basketball team is best in the league, as well as the soccer team. Just furthers my point, if you're winning, the fans will continue to ooze passion.

People always look at Staples Center, and use it as an example. It's not a great sample because its not s sports town. It a stars town, and that's what the Lakers & Dodgers teams are. Teams full of stars, and fans that pay for entertainment. It's nothing like the Boston Garden where the fans love the game, and their players to death.

they havent won anything for a looooong time both soccer and basketball, and in fact fell to second division for a while.
fans still go to the games ( theres a bit of a slump lately tough because of the bad economy and lack of jobs).

handball has won some lately.

oh and the americna football team is the champ, but no one pays atention :D

CityofTreez
03-13-2013, 04:59 PM
Well...I misunderstood "top league."

Fans are not cold blooded to their teams.
If anyone is cold blooded, it's the man at the top, Commissioner Stern.
There's your answer, it has to start somewhere, and he's been ruining the sport for a good time now. Maybe, just maybe, we as fans, are treating the league like it actually is.....a joke!


Plus, it costs about $60 (at least) to attend an NBA game after factoring in tix, parking, and concessions. Bad economy or not, it's definitely not as easy to attend a NBA game like it was in early 2000's.

NYCkid12
03-13-2013, 10:08 PM
Well...I misunderstood "top league."

Fans are not cold blooded to their teams.
If anyone is cold blooded, it's the man at the top, Commissioner Stern.
There's your answer, it has to start somewhere, and he's been ruining the sport for a good time now. Maybe, just maybe, we as fans, are treating the league like it actually is.....a joke!


Plus, it costs about $60 (at least) to attend an NBA game after factoring in tix, parking, and concessions. Bad economy or not, it's definitely not as easy to attend a NBA game like it was in early 2000's..

I agree ticket prices being so expensive are a big reason why people don't go to games and honestly with how amazing tvs are today it's almost better watching at home for some people .. I'd rather be there personally

But why do people say stern ruined the NBA? I never got that

hail2skins4life
03-14-2013, 01:31 AM
well nba stadiums hold around 20000. NFL stadiums have like 70000+. I think thats why fans can inflict fear on players in the nfl and not as much the nba.

CityofTreez
03-14-2013, 03:00 PM
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I agree ticket prices being so expensive are a big reason why people don't go to games and honestly with how amazing tvs are today it's almost better watching at home for some people .. I'd rather be there personally

But why do people say stern ruined the NBA? I never got that

Too me (a Sac Kings fan), David Stern has been that elephant in the room.

Stern does as he wishes...I understand he's the commissioner, and that's his right, BUT its evident. Being a Sac Kings fan, we may relocate to Seattle because of his loyalty to Clay Bennett, and not Seattle. He's slowly degraded the transparency in this league to 6 teams, and has a transgression towards one of the most polished teams in the league, Spurs. Him rejecting that LAL trade was hilarious, but shown the harsh reality, its Stern's game and no one is getting in the way. I try to forget our series with the Lakers because I really feel it was his fault...it's his league...his officials....their officiating....his responsibility. So of course, I'm never going to be a fan of Stern.

Btw, these are just my opinions on Stern, but its not easy to root for the man. He wants us in Sac, then he wants Seattle to get back their team, then he gives us a "treasure map" to keep our team. He's just never consistent, and that's my opinion.

CityofTreez
03-14-2013, 03:02 PM
So in summary, he's slowly ruined NBA for myself.

My testimony doesn't stand for everyone though...