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chicagocubsfan
03-09-2013, 08:13 PM
SAN FRANCISCO – Point guard Brandon Jennings, a soon-to-be restricted free agent, says if he signs a one-year qualifying offer with Milwaukee this offseason, expect his days with the Bucks to be limited to one season.
"If I take the qualifying offer and become an [unrestricted] free agent there is no way I am coming back," Jennings told Yahoo! Sports on Friday after practice. "There is no way."

Jennings considers Milwaukee a "great sports town" and has enjoyed his time there, but in order to keep him long term, Jennings said the Bucks' offer must be lucrative and there needs to be changes in the roster and the organization to make it championship caliber.

Brandon Jennings expects a big contract and team improvements if the Bucks want to keep him.
He turned down a four-year, $40 million deal prior to this season, a source told Yahoo! Sports. A one-year qualifying offer would be worth about $4.5 million for Jennings.

"It's not unfair to make that statement if he feels there is not a deal fair to him this summer," Bucks general manager John Hammond said of Jennings' stance. "I would be surprised if it happens. But he is operating within the [collective bargaining] rules. I'm not taken aback. It's a natural discussion to have."

Jennings plays in one of the NBA's smallest markets and is rarely seen on national television. The Los Angeles native admits that a bigger market is attractive but his preference is to play for a title contender, regardless of a city's size. Jennings noted that the Oklahoma City Thunder play in a small market, but made it to the NBA Finals last season and are frequently on national television.

The Bucks have made one playoff appearance in Jennings' previous three seasons, pushing the Atlanta Hawks to seven games in the first round in 2010 before bowing out. Milwaukee is expected to make the postseason as a seventh or eighth seed this season, but is a long shot to advance, especially if it draws the Miami Heat in the first round.

"I just want to win," Jennings said. "The way I am playing now, I just want to go to a winning team and play like that. I don't care about being a superstar or being the main guy. I did that [the] first four years. I just want to win and be somewhere where it's all about winning.

"I'm not saying the Bucks aren't about winning. But I think [a title caliber situation] will help me, motivate my game and then you have to perform."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--brandon-jennings-plays-negotiating-hardball-with-bucks--states-what-will-be-final-straw-in-milwaukee-002908645.html
Where do you think he goes?

xxplayerxx23
03-09-2013, 08:21 PM
Wow. Not sure tbh.. Whoever pays the most money lol

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 08:22 PM
i say atlanta....

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 08:26 PM
He should be in a 6th man role on a contender because he sure as hell can't be a starting PG on a winning team

topdog
03-09-2013, 08:30 PM
Overrated. Watch out for him being the frontrunner for "contract mistake of 2013."

Gators123
03-09-2013, 08:32 PM
I really don't like Jennings..

BudGrant
03-09-2013, 08:32 PM
He should be in a 6th man role on a contender because he sure as hell can't be a starting PG on a winning team

Completely agree. The Bucks will become a championship caliber team much quicker without him. Win/win.

KnicksorBust
03-09-2013, 08:38 PM
I hate Jennings. I think he's terrible but he would have been perfect for LAL before they got Nash.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 08:39 PM
lol...a lot of people don't know that jennings is still in his rookie contract, and on top of that hes only 23 years old....he is definitely not overrated...if he was getting paid like a superstar...different story

numbers never lie
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 08:47 PM
I hate Jennings. I think he's terrible but he would have been perfect for LAL before they got Nash.

That would have been a helluva backcourt to watch lol... Dwight would spazz out playing with those two

72 Wins
03-09-2013, 08:48 PM
Someone will pay him.

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 08:48 PM
lol...a lot of people don't know that jennings is still in his rookie contract, and on top of that hes only 23 years old....he is definitely not overrated...if he was getting paid like a superstar...different story

numbers never lie
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings

Those are horrible shooting percentages

Guppyfighter
03-09-2013, 08:50 PM
He's doing the Bucks a favor.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 08:52 PM
Those are horrible shooting percentages

whats up with these shooting percentages....so what about allen iverson and kobe bryant?

Collings94
03-09-2013, 08:53 PM
To comment on it like that right now is a no-win situation for BJ, so why say anything at all?

He might say that he doesn't want to play for a losing team, but if someone like Orlando offers him 5yr/80 then I imagine he will by-pass the whole "competitive" part.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 08:56 PM
To comment on it like that right now is a no-win situation for BJ, so why say anything at all?

He might say that he doesn't want to play for a losing team, but if someone like Orlando offers him 5yr/80 then I imagine he will by-pass the whole "competitive" part.

i doubt that orlando is gonna do something like that,they will most likely get the first pick and draft marcus smart

its a conspiracy thing
2012 - lost cp3 and drafted anthony davis
2011 - lost lbj and drafted kyrie irving

D12 fan
03-09-2013, 08:56 PM
If he is smart, he will wait another year then sign with the Lakers for 10mil(hometown discount) and play with Kobe/Dwight in his hometown LA.

b@llhog24
03-09-2013, 08:59 PM
Can you blame him?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:00 PM
i heard that he wants to play with demar derozan...they are best friends...however, they have kyle lowry as their pg...so it doesn't make sense

b@llhog24
03-09-2013, 09:01 PM
For all the **** that Jennings gets, he's still a starting caliber player and has been for the better part of two seasons.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:05 PM
For all the **** that Jennings gets, he's still a starting caliber player and has been for the better part of two seasons.

many people here don't understand the game...brandon jennings is a deadly shooter...everybody takes shots...big men get a higher fg% cuz 90% of the time they are in the paint..and not only that, hes only 6'1

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:06 PM
whats up with these shooting percentages....so what about allen iverson and kobe bryant?

A point guard with a 27 ast% for his career. To get an idea of where that ranks Joakim Noah is at 17.7 this year.
Jennings would be a good combo guard coming off the bench for a playoff team. No team would ever win with his inefficiency and passing ability as a starting point guard. He's a talented shooter who will likely get better in time. But right now he's not really a playoff type point guard. At least not one with championship aspirations.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:09 PM
A point guard with a 27 ast% for his career. To get an idea of where that ranks Joakim Noah is at 17.7 this year.
Jennings would be a good combo guard coming off the bench for a playoff team. No team would ever win with his inefficiency and passing ability as a starting point guard.

go read my last post...then you will understand...

Faneik
03-09-2013, 09:11 PM
If he is smart, he will wait another year then sign with the Lakers for 10mil(hometown discount) and play with Kobe/Dwight in his hometown LA.

not happening

the only player that has a contract in 14-15 with the Lakers is Nash, receiving $9.7M for that season. He will be 41 btw.

with that said... Nash is untradable and the Lakers won't spend another $10M on another PG.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:12 PM
go read my last post...then you will understand...

Sure he's a good shooter but he's not a SG he's a point guard... Derrick Rose Shoots a **** ton and still managed to be around the 40% ast mark his last two years. So what exactly is your point other then he gets a lot of shots up and sometimes they go in?

Scoring isn't everything in the NBA. Sure you need certain role players that can shoot. But you don't want your Point guard to be an undersized shooting guard that isn't how you win championships. So unless he joins up with Lebron or Durant or another superstar that dominates the ball so he can be a corner specialist I'm not exactly sure how he's worth a lot of money.

Alayla
03-09-2013, 09:14 PM
lol...a lot of people don't know that jennings is still in his rookie contract, and on top of that hes only 23 years old....he is definitely not overrated...if he was getting paid like a superstar...different story

numbers never lie
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings

Yea .403 FG% doesnt lie right?

king4day
03-09-2013, 09:14 PM
Thread title is very misleading. He won't come back if he's not given a multiyear extension this offseason.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:15 PM
Sure he's a good shooter but he's not a SG he's a point guard... Derrick Rose Shoots a **** ton and still managed to be around the 40% ast mark the last two years. So what exactly is your point other then he gets a lot of shots up and sometimes they go in?

your a bulls fan and your praising about derrick rose, i understand....did you see what percentage he had during the 2011 nba playoffs...and btw...u really want talk about fg %....tell me a pg whos in a top 40 in fg%...only tony parker.....the next pg is 42nd

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:16 PM
Yea .403 FG% doesnt lie right?

No! Stats don't me anything who cares if he's not a good defender, passer, or very efficient. He scores points! Who cares how many shots it takes to score those points he's a deadly shooter brah.

Guppyfighter
03-09-2013, 09:16 PM
i doubt that orlando is gonna do something like that,they will most likely get the first pick and draft marcus smart

its a conspiracy thing
2012 - lost cp3 and drafted anthony davis
2011 - lost lbj and drafted kyrie irving


If you actually knew the process for the lottery you'd realize how stupid you sound for saying it is a conspiracy. Very stupid.

This isn't Ocean Eleven.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:17 PM
If you actually knew the process for the lottery you'd realize how stupid you sound for saying it is a conspiracy. Very stupid.

This isn't Ocean Eleven.

so tell me how flip did NO and cleveland got the first pick after losing the 2 of the best in the game? you tell me

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:17 PM
your a bulls fan and your praising about derrick rose, i understand....did you see what percentage he had during the 2011 nba playoffs...and btw...u really want talk about fg %....tell me a pg whos in a top 40 in fg%...only tony parker.....the next pg is 42nd

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct

What does the small sample size of a playoff series have anything to do with a career of shooting? You're grasping at stars at this point it's pretty sad. Let me know when Jennings becomes a SG and your terrible argument might have some merit. Until then you keep making yourself look like you've watched basketball for 2 years.

BKLYNpigeon
03-09-2013, 09:18 PM
Bucks were stupid not to trade him for something.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:20 PM
What does the small sample size of a playoff series have anything to do with a career of shooting? You're grasping at stars at this point it's pretty sad. Let me know when Jennings becomes a SG and your terrible argument might have some merit. Until then you keep making yourself look like you've watched basketball for 2 years.

as you can see, the bulls rely too much on derrick rose, and the playoffs count a lot more than the regular season...how is it pretty sad.....this is real life...nothing surreal...just take a look at his stats...both regular and post season

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3456/derrick-rose

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:23 PM
lol...a lot of people don't know that jennings is still in his rookie contract, and on top of that hes only 23 years old....he is definitely not overrated...if he was getting paid like a superstar...different story

numbers never lie
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings

and he will get paid this summer, does he then become overrated for you?

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:24 PM
as you can see, the bulls rely too much on derrick rose, and the playoffs count a lot more than the regular season...how is it pretty sad.....this is real life...nothing surreal

Why do you keep changing the subject on to Rose because you can't hold a argument? I used Rose as an example of one of the speedy PGs who still get high ast% leaving Jennings no excuse other then he's just not good. But your lack of knowledge on the subject is continuing to show. When you're ready to actually bring something intelligent to the conversation let me know.

lets look at some metric stats. PGs who have a career 454 efg% and a 497 ts% along with a career 27 ast% generally aren't starting point guards. But hey you're so smart you already knew that right?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:25 PM
and he will get paid this summer, does he then become overrated for you?

if he gets overpaid and doesn't makes his team into a contender, then maybe...but for now,hes not

PrettyBoyJ
03-09-2013, 09:26 PM
Wait did he say he was a superstar.. lol

Guppyfighter
03-09-2013, 09:28 PM
so tell me how flip did NO and cleveland got the first pick after losing the 2 of the best in the game? you tell me

Because they were both bad with two lottery picks and a high percentage chance to win.

You can conjure a conspiracy for anyone winning the lottery. It's sad you don't actually take the time to realize the largest law firm in the country oversees the process as well as legal representatives from each team in the lottery. While they use a machine that randomly pumps out actual lotto balls for teams.

You are flaunting your ignorance and are as crazy as a normal conspiracy theorist.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:28 PM
if he gets overpaid and doesn't makes his team into a contender, then maybe...but for now,hes not

depends, how do you rate him?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:28 PM
Why do you keep changing the subject on to Rose because you can't hold a argument? I used Rose as an example of one of the speedy PGs who still get high ast% leaving Jennings no excuse other then he's just not good. But your lack of knowledge on the subject is continuing to show. When you're ready to actually bring something intelligent to the conversation let me know.

lets look at some metric stats. PGs who have a career 454 efg% and a 497 ts% along with a career 27 ast% generally aren't starting point guards. But hey you're so smart you already knew that right?

don't play dumb on me, jenning's number improve year after year...if you don't notice it, then i can't do nothing about that....rose is getting ridiculously paid compared to jennings...and secondly, your the one who talked about field goal percetanges....btw....look at rose's 3pt fg%, its terrible....btw...jennings ain't no shooting guard.....

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/seasontype/3/brandon-jennings
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3456/derrick-rose

and your saying that im going off topic....aahhahahahha..all i can do is laugh

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:29 PM
Wait did he say he was a superstar.. lol

No he didn't but he's trying to act like it's ok for a point guard to be inefficient and have a terrible ast% for a point guard. Not to mention his defense. The worst part is he had a great defensive coach and still just gets beat trying to reach in just about every play. He's basically Nate Robinson who gets more praise because he's younger. He's not terrible but not a player who is going to lead a team. He's a scorer not a PG.

KingstonHawke
03-09-2013, 09:32 PM
Lin got $8 per, and they really thought they were going to keep him with $10? I don't think he's worth a max by any means, but I could see him getting one. I'd rather have Jennings than Gordon.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:32 PM
depends, how do you rate him?

hes definitely not top 5.....i would say top 10-15

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:32 PM
don't play dumb on me, jenning's number improve year after year...if you don't notice it, then i can't do nothing about that....rose is getting ridiculously compared to jennings...and secondly, your the who talked about field goal percetanges....btw....look at rose's 3pt fg%, its terrible....btw...jennings ain't no shooting guard.....

actually Jennings had a better season last year. Last year he had a 514 ts% this year he has a 509.
Last year 476 efg% This year 468 efg% Last year 18 per this year 16 per. Anything else you'd like to talk out of your *** about while I'm here?

Rose isn't a 3 point shooter in his career yet what does that have to do with anything? Jennings being a better 3 point shooter makes up for Derricks ts% efg% ast% and defense? Interesting....


whats up with these shooting percentages....so what about allen iverson and kobe bryant?

You brought it up before I was even here...

bucketss
03-09-2013, 09:33 PM
you were never a superstar.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:37 PM
actually Jennings had a better season last year. Last year he had a 514 ts% this year he has a 509.
Last year 476 efg% This year 468 efg% Last year 18 per this year 16 per. Anything else you'd like to talk out of your *** about while I'm here?

lol....you must kidding me......his assists, 3pt fg%, ft%, stls, and minutes are up from last year...secondly, he has ellis, ilyasova, dunleavy, and redicks that are also scorers...and yet hes still avg 18.4 ppgs.....when your serious about debating...let me know

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 09:39 PM
whats up with these shooting percentages....so what about allen iverson and kobe bryant?

Kobe's FG percentages were better than that & Iverson was always at the top of the league in FTA's but I always see Kobe get called out on his FG percentages on this website though

Brandon Jennings is overrated if anyone thinks he deserve anything above 6 or 7 million a year

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:39 PM
hes definitely not top 5.....i would say top 10-15

PG's? Meh, I would put him league average, so yeah, around 15. But he will be paid like much more, which is why many are saying he will be one of the mistake signings.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:40 PM
Kobe's FG percentages were better than that & Iverson was always at the top of the league in FTA's but I always see Kobe get called out on his FG percentages on this website though

Brandon Jennings is overrated if anyone thinks he deserve anything above 6 or 7 million a year

if he gets paid max...definitely he will be overrated...but what i heard is that they might sign him for 1 more year for 4.5 mill, then he will be UFA, and i wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:41 PM
lol....you must kidding me......his assists, 3pt fg%, ft%, stls, and minutes are up from last year...secondly, he has ellis, ilyasova, dunleavy, and redicks that are also scorers...and yet hes still avg 18.4 ppgs.....when your serious about debating...let me know

I've given you stats that are much better then per game stats. stats that are based upon efficiency that have much better formula.

You really should stop making **** up like telling me I brought up fg% when you clearly brought it up on the 2nd page before I said anything about a stat I don't even like to use. Unless you think me mentioning Ast% means a fg%? I'm actually amazed you have been around here since 2006 and don't understand Metric stats are far more advanced and accurate then Per game stats.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:42 PM
PG's? Meh, I would put him league average, so yeah, around 15. But he will be paid like much more, which is why many are saying he will be one of the mistake signings.

ya top 10-15 pgs in the league......ive watched his games...look at his last 3 games he played...

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:44 PM
PG's? Meh, I would put him league average, so yeah, around 15. But he will be paid like much more, which is why many are saying he will be one of the mistake signings.

So would anyone else with a brain.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:46 PM
ya top 10-15 pgs in the league......ive watched his games...look at his last 3 games he played...

seen him play plenty of times. Nothing special, and he should be in the $5-7 million a year range.

29$JerZ
03-09-2013, 09:47 PM
He's a classic example of a CBA breaker. He will get overpaid, just not sure by who. He really shouldn't be making anywhere over 7 million a year.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:48 PM
I've given you stats that are much better then per game stats. stats that are based upon efficiency that have much better formula.

You really should stop making **** up like telling me I brought up fg% when you clearly brought it up on the 2nd page before I said anything about a stat I don't even like to use. Unless you think me mentioning Ast% means a fg%? I'm actually amazed you have been around here since 2007 and don't understand Metric stats are far more advanced and accurate then Per game stats.

i don't have time re-posting your information about what you said, you brought up derrick rose first and now your talk about the metric system.....these stats are inefficient and plus they only brought it up recently...please...nobody talks about that garbage...basketball is an all-around game...its not only based upon shooting......im gonna take it back to old school, look at dennis rodman...and those days they didn't talk about TS% and PERs and etc., and at the end of the day, he was a hall of famer......ive been watching this game for 2 and half decades and you want to talk about TS% and PERs...this is a joke..

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:49 PM
So would anyone else with a brain.

Brandon obviously doesn't view himself as such...

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:50 PM
seen him play plenty of times. Nothing special, and he should be in the $5-7 million a year range.

somebody will overpay him cuz of his age..hes not in his prime yet

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:50 PM
i don't have time re-posting your information about what you said, you brought up derrick rose first and now your talk about the metric system.....these stats are inefficient and plus they only brought it up recently...please...nobody talks about that garbage...basketball is an all-around game...its not only based upon shooting......im gonna take it back to old school, look at dennis rodman...and those days they didn't talk about TS% and PERs and etc., and at the end of the day, he was a hall of famer......ive been watching this game for 2 and half decades and you want to talk about TS% and PERs...this is a joke..

your per game stats are exponentially a bigger joke dude.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:50 PM
i don't have time re-posting your information about what you said, you brought up derrick rose first and now your talk about the metric system.....these stats are inefficient and plus they only brought it up recently...please...nobody talks about that garbage...basketball is an all-around game...its not only based upon shooting......im gonna take it back to old school, look at dennis rodman...and those days they didn't talk about TS% and PERs and etc., and at the end of the day, he was a hall of famer......ive been watching this game for 2 and half decades and you want to talk about TS% and PERs...this is a joke..

Why do you keep flip flopping on every post you make? So if Basketball is an all around game which I agree it is how exactly is me showing you how bad Jennings passing is along with defense and your arguments continue to be around his shooting. Which is the only thing he is good at but even that isn't efficient. You really make no ****ing sense. Anyone who goes back and reads this and reads your post will quickly realize you keep talking in circles and continue to have no argument for anything you're saying.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:52 PM
your per game stats are exponentially a bigger joke dude.

those stats just came out recently...only a few years back...only recently they are talking about this stat....iverson had a really bad %..however at the end of the day...he will be a hall of famer

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 09:52 PM
many people here don't understand the game...brandon jennings is a deadly shooter...everybody takes shots...big men get a higher fg% cuz 90% of the time they are in the paint..and not only that, hes only 6'1

Just because you are 6'1 doesn't mean you are allowed to shoot the ball poorly.. There are plenty of guards this year shooting around 45-48%.. He averages 17 ppg on 16 shots, that is pathetic for a pg.

He brings energy and can light it up at times and that is the perfect formula for a 6th man, just like JR Smith, Nate Robinson, or Jamal Crawford

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:53 PM
Why do you keep flip flopping on every post you make? So if Basketball is an all around game which I agree it is how exactly is me showing you how bad Jennings passing is along with dekfense and your arguments continue to be around his shooting. Which is the only thing he is good at but even that isn't efficient. You really make no ****ing sense. Anyone who goes back and reads this and reads your post will quickly realize you keep talking in circles and continue to have no argument for anything you're saying.

there is no point arguing with you, cuz you just keep on repeating yourself

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:54 PM
I'm not trying to be rude but it's very annoying to have someone continue to put words in your mouth and their whole argument based around a players shooting and then complain about stats that show efficiency of shooting. Jennings ast% sucks that is passing a part of basketball, Jennings Defense isn't very good another part of basketball. So you want to talk about an all around game yet Jennings all around game isn't very good. So it comes back to what exactly is your argument other then talking out of your ***?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:55 PM
Just because you are 6'1 doesn't mean you are allowed to shoot the ball poorly.. There are plenty of guards this year shooting around 45-48%.. He averages 17 ppg on 16 shots, that is pathetic for a pg.

He brings energy and can light it up at times and that is the perfect formula for a 6th man, just like JR Smith, Nate Robinson, or Jamal Crawford

are you sure about that.....dwayne wade and tony parker are only the guards that are in the top 30....ya he brings the energy, thats why they also have monta ellis

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 09:55 PM
He's a classic example of a CBA breaker. He will get overpaid, just not sure by who. He really shouldn't be making anywhere over 7 million a year.

Thank you but by seeing what happened with Deandre Jordan, Roy Hibbert, Jeremy Lin, Landry Fields, & Eric Gordon it's a very good chance that he gets an overloaded contract for himself.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:55 PM
there is no point arguing with you, cuz you just keep on repeating yourself

I agree isn't it annoying to argue with someone who is rational while you're trying to make stuff up?

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 09:56 PM
those stats just came out recently...only a few years back...only recently they are talking about this stat....iverson had a really bad %..however at the end of the day...he will be a hall of famer

They didn't come out just a few years ago, and we can apply them across time dude. If you don't understand them, I can link you to explanations. Per game stats are archaic and show no representation of efficiency, or rates, because the game is possession based.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 09:57 PM
They didn't come out just a few years ago, and we can apply them across time dude. If you don't understand them, I can link you to explanations. Per game stats are archaic and show no representation of efficiency, or rates, because the game is possession based.

I would have been more then happy to explain it to him but he was too busy putting words in my mouth to help his arguments.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 09:58 PM
I'm not trying to be rude but it's very annoying to have someone continue to put words in your mouth and their whole argument based around a players shooting and then complain about stats that show efficiency of shooting. Jennings ast% sucks that is passing a part of basketball, Jennings Defense isn't very good another part of basketball. So you want to talk about an all around game yet Jennings all around game isn't very good. So it comes back to what exactly is your argument other then talking out of your ***?

now your going off topic....i was talk about basketball in general....certain people have certain assets..and i never talked about jennings defense.....i brought rodman is because he was known for his defense and rebouding...look at ben wallace...he was paid 4 years/52 million by your own bulls because he was know for same assets as rodman.....at the end of the day jennings will get overpaid because there are teams that need a pg...and this league, the strongest asset in todays game is pgs

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 09:59 PM
are you sure about that.....dwayne wade and tony parker are only the guards that are in the top 30....ya he brings the energy, thats why they also have monta ellis

So only 30 players are shooting between 45-48%???? Damn I didn't know that...

With guys like that starting, you are never going to get deep in the playoffs because that is not a winning formula. Some teams might get away with if they have an true inside presence on offense & defense but if not, the team is bound to go nowhere and be irrelevant

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:00 PM
I would have been more then happy to explain it to him but he was too busy putting words in my mouth to help his arguments.

let me tell you something, why didn't you bring up any other pg like steph curry, rajon rondo, deron williams, etc

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:01 PM
now your going off topic....i was talk about basketball in general....certain people have certain assets..and i never talked about jennings defense.....i brought rodman is because he was known for his defense and rebouding...look at ben wallace...he was paid 4 years/52 million by your own bulls because he was know for same assets as rodman.....at the end of the day jennings will get overpaid because there are teams that need a pg...and this league, the strongest asset in todays game is pgs

Ben Wallace got paid because he was supposed to be the defense stopper as A center that is a good trait to have. Jennings is a point guard his inability to get the ball into other peoples hands for easy baskets is what doesn't make him a top point guard. Understand what I'm getting at? If Jennings was a SG you could deal with his lack of all around game. But he's a point guard

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:01 PM
let me tell you something, why didn't you bring up any other pg like steph curry, rajon rondo, deron williams, etc

What about them?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:03 PM
So only 30 players are shooting between 45-48%???? Damn I didn't know that...

With guys like that starting, you are never going to get deep in the playoffs because that is not a winning formula. Some teams might get away with if they have an true inside presence on offense & defense but if not, the team is bound to go nowhere and be irrelevant

first and formost,, those two guys are in the top 30 in fg....i didn't bring up the percentage....you want to talk about percentages....lets talk about mark price...he had 50 fg%, 40% 3pt fg%, and 90 ft%....how come nobody can do that in today's game...you tell me

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 10:03 PM
Yeah dude Ben Wallace was the anchor of one of the greatest defenses of all time before he got that contract... One of the best players ever when it came to impacting a game without scoring

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:05 PM
What about them?

why didn't you compare those guys to jennings...u only brought your hometown fav....compare those guys to jeninning and analyze it...if you can't...then theres no point debating

ManRam
03-09-2013, 10:05 PM
I've never been a fan, but I'm warming up to the idea of him going to Orlando long term.

Thing is, I doubt Hennigan is too into players like Jennings...nor do I think we look to spend any money this off season. Gotta suck for at least one more year.

The_Jamal
03-09-2013, 10:06 PM
Let him go. I'd like to see the Bucks feature Larry Sanders and Ersan Illyasova more and get guards more conducive to team basketball.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:06 PM
Yeah dude Ben Wallace was the anchor of one of the greatest defenses of all time before he got that contract... One of the best players ever when it came to impacting a game without scoring

thats the whole point, players will get overpaid for certain reasons.....after that contract, he was never the same and he was a lot older at the time

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:06 PM
Yeah dude Ben Wallace was the anchor of one of the greatest defenses of all time before he got that contract... One of the best players ever when it came to impacting a game without scoring

Yeah it didn't work out but he was a much better player at his position then Jennings is at his. Wallace was a DPOY great rebounder shot blocker all around defensive Center. Jennings is a point guard who can't defend, pass and be efficient at his best trait scoring. Not even really the same. Just naming players to name them at this point.

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 10:06 PM
first and formost,, those two guys are in the top 30 in fg....i didn't bring up the percentage....you want to talk about percentages....lets talk about mark price...he had 50 fg%, 40% 3pt fg%, and 90 ft%....how come nobody can do that in today's game...you tell me

Kevin Durant says hi lol... Steve Nash too (He's done it a bunch)

But I said a lot of guards shoot 45-48%... Just because they are not in the top 30 doesn't mean that they are shooting a poor 39-40% like Brandon Jennings

Sactown
03-09-2013, 10:06 PM
A reasonable offer would be 4 years 32 Mill, I could see a team justify that kind of offer. He's a flashy player, with skill, definitely needs a good coach.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:08 PM
why didn't you compare those guys to jennings...u only brought your hometown fav....compare those guys about those guys to jeninning and analyzed it...if you can't...then theres no point debating

Because Outside of Curry none of those guys are score first PGs like Rose, Jennings, Curry, Westbrook ect... The point in my bringing up Rose is even a guy like him who was the Bulls leader is Usage% still was able to put up a close to 40 ast%. It had nothing to do with him being one of my fav players it had to do with being a point guard.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:10 PM
They didn't come out just a few years ago, and we can apply them across time dude. If you don't understand them, I can link you to explanations. Per game stats are archaic and show no representation of efficiency, or rates, because the game is possession based.

definitely they never brought these stats in the 90s and early 2000s, i definitely know that....when lebron james start winning games for the cavs...they wanted to see what difference it made for the cavs when they were winning games....cuz his numbers were ridiculous

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:12 PM
definitely they never brought these stats in the 90s and early 2000s, i definitely know that....when lebron james start winning games for the cavs...they wanted to see what difference it made for the cavs when they were winning games....cuz his numbers were ridiculous

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APBRmetrics Bud you really need to start doing research before saying things. These stats have been out since the 1990s.

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 10:13 PM
Comparing Jennings to Rondo in terms of pure pg skills is VERY disrespectful to Rajon & I don't even like that guy

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:14 PM
Because Outside of Curry none of those guys are score first PGs like Rose, Jennings, Curry, Westbrook ect... The point in my bringing up Rose is even a guy like him who was the Bulls leader is Usage% still was able to put up a close to 40 ast%. It had nothing to do with him being one of my fav players it had to do with being a point guard.

rose is a completely different story......he has to has to carry that team by himself in order for the bulls to be a top team....deng is inconsistent, and noah is known for his defense....i don't thing curry is an elite pg at this point however he is making progress, he as basketball in his blood....westbrook, hes definitely doesn't play like a pg...when they harden, he was more of a playmaker compared westbrook....

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:14 PM
definitely they never brought these stats in the 90s and early 2000s, i definitely know that....when lebron james start winning games for the cavs...they wanted to see what difference it made for the cavs when they were winning games....cuz his numbers were ridiculous

So, you think they created these numbers to justify LeBron's dominance? Um, sports evolve, and the understanding of how to statistically measure players has become far more advanced. If you don't like those numbers, well, you will fall behind..

FYI, the advanced stats movement started almost 18 years ago.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APBRmetrics Bud you really need to start doing research before saying things. These stats have been out since the 1990s.

wikipedia is unreliable and thats your source...nuff said

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:16 PM
So, you think they created these numbers to justify LeBron's dominance? Um, sports evolve, and the understanding of how to statistically measure players has become far more advanced. If you don't like those numbers, well, you will fall behind..

thats one of the reasons, and obviously kobe bryant...during kobes prime, he was averaging with ridiculous numbers...and those guys make a huge difference.....and look at kobe today...w/o him, they wouldn't be going after that playoff spot

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:16 PM
Comparing Jennings to Rondo in terms of pure pg skills is VERY disrespectful to Rajon & I don't even like that guy

Hence me never bringing him up lol. I'm not really sure why he's upset I brought up Rose when comparing Jennings Is Rose is one of the higher scoring points guards so if he can get a 40% ast Jennings not being able to is a lack of a skill.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:18 PM
wikipedia is unreliable and thats your source...nuff said

:laugh2: ok man thank god Christopher Columbus didn't have your mentality that is all good talk.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:18 PM
Kevin Durant says hi lol... Steve Nash too (He's done it a bunch)

But I said a lot of guards shoot 45-48%... Just because they are not in the top 30 doesn't mean that they are shooting a poor 39-40% like Brandon Jennings

im talking about pgs...nash is the only other guy...but thats about it.......durant, bird, miller, and nowitzki...they weren't pgs.....only 2 pgs did that in the history in the game....the next pg who might do that in the near future is stephen curry, hes knocking on the door

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:19 PM
thats one of the reasons, and obviously kobe bryant...during kobes prime, he was averaging with ridiculous numbers...and those guys make a huge difference.....and look at kobe today...w/o him, they wouldn't be going after that playoff spot

No, they did not invent these stats to justify particular players dude, that is ridiculous if you think so. They developed them as a scouting tool.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:19 PM
:laugh2: ok man thank god Christopher Columbus didn't have your mentality that is all good talk.

what does christopher columbus have to with the nba......

ManRam
03-09-2013, 10:20 PM
wikipedia is unreliable and thats your source...nuff said

Yeah...if you're trying to write a peer-reviewed paper :laugh:


Everything said there is true, and reliable, and factual.

beasted86
03-09-2013, 10:20 PM
I hate the way morons on PSD like to sensationalize news by misquoting people in topic thread titles.

Clowns around here do this literally all the time.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:20 PM
rockbottom, please visit the stat section of the NBA forum, you will learn a ton. Your statistical arguments are extremely hollow.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:21 PM
No, they did not invent these stats to justify particular players dude, that is ridiculous if you think so. They developed them as a scouting tool.

im not saying that they didn't invent it.....this is a recent stat....they never brought these stats before.....and they hardly use this stat during broadcasting

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:23 PM
rockbottom, please visit the stat section of the NBA forum, you will learn a ton. Your statistical arguments are extremely hollow.

if tnt, nba tv, espn, or fox talks about these stats, you let me know.....cuz i watch it on the regs

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 10:24 PM
im talking about pgs...nash is the only other guy...but thats about it.......durant, bird, miller, and nowitzki...they weren't pgs.....only 2 pgs did that in the history in the game....the next pg who might do that in the near future is stephen curry, hes knocking on the door

Well you said NOBODY in the game today & Jose Calderon is pretty close though

But what are you trying to prove?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:25 PM
Yeah...if you're trying to write a peer-reviewed paper :laugh:


Everything said there is true, and reliable, and factual.

ya but somebody can change it on a immediate impact...thats why i stick to the nba encyclopedia or basketball reference...more reliable...

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:28 PM
Well you said NOBODY in the game today & Jose Calderon is pretty close though

But what are you trying to prove?

you can'y say every pg and sg will avg 45-48 %.......thats what you trying to say.....at the end of the day...its all about winning games..true or not true...you tell me

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:28 PM
im not saying that they didn't invent it.....this is a recent stat....they never brought these stats before.....and they hardly use this stat during broadcasting

You are wrong dude. More and more announcers are even using analytics. Did you not read when I said sports evolve? The fact is, we have better measures of how to statistically evaluate players now. If you refuse to embrace these methods, you are falling behind bud.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:29 PM
if tnt, nba tv, espn, or fox talks about these stats, you let me know.....cuz i watch it on the regs

that is the extent of your basketball info? I guess you said all you need to. Have fun trying to throw stats at people that literally have no relevance.

HouRealCoach
03-09-2013, 10:30 PM
you can'y say every pg and sg will avg 45-48 %.......thats what you trying to say.....at the end of the day...its all about winning games..true or not true...you tell me

I never every guard shoots that but I'm pretty sure a huge portion can do better than 40% & Brandon Jennings isn't doing that... The EC isn't that good and his team is at the bottom mainly because he has a damn good defensive presence in the middle

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:31 PM
ya but somebody can change it on a immediate impact...thats why i stick to the nba encyclopedia or basketball reference...more reliable...

I couldn't wait to get onto the Metric stat section of Wikipedia to change the date from 2011 to 1990 when these possession stats were invented you got me! Well played sir well played. Per game stats live long and prosper!

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:32 PM
You are wrong dude. More and more announcers are even using analytics. Did you not read when I said sports evolve? The fact is, we have better measures of how to statistically evaluate players now. If you refuse to embrace these methods, you are falling behind bud.

i know you working for this forum...we can argue about this day and night......yaa but they don't talk much of this per stuff...i know what its all about...and ya...lebron is about to make history by breaking wilts per record....so what......many people in todays game want to see excitement, game buzzers..winning championships...compare players to past superstars...

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:35 PM
i know you working for this forum...we can argue about this day and night......yaa but they don't talk much of this per stuff...i know what its all about...and ya...lebron is about to make history by breaking wilts per record....so what......many people in todays game want to see excitement, game buzzers..winning championships...compare players to past superstars...

who doesn't talk about this PER stuff, and all the other metrics? The players from yesterday have had their numbers put in the same formula dude, and we have their advanced numbers too. So saying this is all so new is pure bull ****. Period.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:37 PM
i know you working for this forum...we can argue about this day and night......yaa but they don't talk much of this per stuff...i know what its all about...and ya...lebron is about to make history by breaking wilts per record....so what......many people in todays game want to see excitement, game buzzers..winning championships...compare players to past superstars...

What are you talking about now. :laugh: You obviously don't know what its all about or you'd understand why they're much more relevant that the stats you're using. This is like using a 56k modem instead of broadband because you don't understand how broadband works. If you have information that is better you use it.

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:39 PM
who doesn't talk about this PER stuff, and all the other metrics? The players from yesterday have had their numbers put in the same formula dude, and we have their advanced numbers too. So saying this is all so new is pure bull ****. Period.

At some point it's time to just realize someone doesn't want to be helped. It's a shame really never understood why some people would rather have misinformation then get more knowledge on things. I still learn something new every day about sports. It's what makes sports so exciting for me just when you think you know everything about a stat you learn something new.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:41 PM
who doesn't talk about this PER stuff, and all the other metrics? The players from yesterday have had their numbers put in the same formula dude, and we have their advanced numbers too. So saying this is all so new is pure bull ****. Period.

lebron james have the highest per in the game today...right?....and hes on pace to win his 4th mvp, and durant is second.....you want to know who's 3rd place....anderson verajo....i bet a lot of ppl didn't know that....durant leads the league in scoring...and on pace to be in the 50-40-90 shooting club...however look at lebron's stats....top 11 in assists, top 10 in fg, and top 25 in rebounding....so you tell me who wins mvp?

and baseball has this thing called WAR, and mike trout had the highest war however he never won mvp...miguel cabrera won mvp because of his stats

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:43 PM
lebron james have the highest per in the game today...right?....and hes on pace to win his 4th mvp, and durant is second.....you want to know who's 3rd place....anderson verajo....i bet a lot of ppl didn't know that....durant leads the league in scoring...and on pace to be in the 50-40-90 shooting club...however look at lebron's stats....top 11 in assists, top 10 in fg, and top 25 in rebounding....so you tell me who wins mvp?

So you are now attempting to use the stats you don't understand, with no context. Dude, you seriously need to research them, and see how they are used before you try and shoot them down. If you want to enter statistical arguments, you will get killed, without even knowing it.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:44 PM
What are you talking about now. :laugh: You obviously don't know what its all about or you'd understand why they're much more relevant that the stats you're using. This is like using a 56k modem instead of broadband because you don't understand how broadband works. If you have information that is better you use it.

many kids like to watch basketball, right? but do they talk about this TS% and PER?

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:45 PM
from a bucks fan/ season ticket holder jennings is a god awful scorer and shooter but has potential but thats about it 40% career shooter nuff said most he DESERVES is 7.5 mil/per and thats being generous.... and they made these advanced stats for lebron lmao i almost died from laughter reading everything this guy said....ive been watching 2 1/2 decades i think you meant years

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:46 PM
many kids like to watch basketball, right? but do they talk about this TS% and PER?

no they just watch espn abc n tnt like you!!! and to be honest most analyst dont use the stats because they dont understand them or take the time to learn them smfh

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:48 PM
So you are now attempting to use the stats you don't understand, with no context. Dude, you seriously need to research them, and see how they are used before you try and shoot them down. If you want to enter statistical arguments, you will get killed, without even knowing it.

what are you trying, punk me?...haha...do whatever you want...cuz you know what...im gonna make this real easy...if this is all bout TS% and PER in the past, then michael jordan would have won it every year......its never about this TS% and PER% bogus.....go look at charles barkley, magic johnson, karl malone, and allen iverson's stats...like really

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:48 PM
so, anyways, back to the topic. If Jennings gets $10 million, he immediately becomes overpaid.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:48 PM
many kids like to watch basketball, right? but do they talk about this TS% and PER?

lol my brother is in 6th grade and knows about em and his basketball coach use's them more less just for his own use but still lmao your arguements going no where your going to lose this conversation bad just admit your wrong as for forgiveness an ask for help understanding them you will know the game alot better than you do know i can telll that already

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:49 PM
what are you trying, punk me?...haha...do whatever you want...cuz you know what...im gonna make this real easy...if this is all bout TS% and PER in the past, then michael jordan would have won it every year......its never about this TS% and PER% bogus.....go look at charles barkley, magic johnson, karl malone, and allen iverson's stats...like really


def sig worthy lmao

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 10:49 PM
what are you trying, punk me?...haha...do whatever you want...cuz you know what...im gonna make this real easy...if this is all bout TS% and PER in the past, then michael jordan would have won it every year......its never about this TS% and PER% bogus.....go look at charles barkley, magic johnson, karl malone, and allen iverson's stats...like really

what are you even talking about? Who said they choose MVPs from those numbers? I really have no clue where you are going, outside the fact you don't have any clue about stats.

Peace, we are done.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:50 PM
as a bucks fan and jennings fan he may be one of the worst ever scoring/shooting pgs in the history of the nba for players that started at least 4 seasons

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:50 PM
many kids like to watch basketball, right? but do they talk about this TS% and PER?

If more people were aware about stats that were more advanced I'm sure they would like to learn about it. Unfortunately there are people like you who refuse to expand their knowledge in areas.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:51 PM
no they just watch espn abc n tnt like you!!! and to be honest most analyst dont use the stats because they dont understand them or take the time to learn them smfh

hahahha...this is a joke, kids watch the game cuz they want to be like them....thats the whole point.....players could really give a damn about their stats.....thats why they have the super team..it makes a difference

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:52 PM
what are you even talking about? Who said they choose MVPs from those numbers? I really have no clue where you are going, outside the fact you don't have any clue about stats.

Peace, we are done.

:laugh: See what I'm saying? He keeps putting words in posters mouths to try and make a point. Really it's just pathetic at this point.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:52 PM
If more people were aware about stats that were more advanced I'm sure they would like to learn about it. Unfortunately there are people like you who refuse to expand their knowledge in areas.

hahahhaha, thats what you think...i look at every stat out there.....thats why basketball is a team game, not one on one.....

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:53 PM
hahahha...this is a joke, kids watch the game cuz they want to be like them....thats the whole point.....players could really give a damn about their stats.....thats why they have the super team..it makes a difference

haha what about "super-teams"?

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:53 PM
Thank god for ignore this was fun while it lasted though.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:54 PM
hahahhaha, thats what you think...i look at every stat out there.....thats why basketball is a team game, not one on one.....

but to get a better grasp on who is better when comparing players advanced stats are much better what point dont u understand its not that hard

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:55 PM
what are you even talking about? Who said they choose MVPs from those numbers? I really have no clue where you are going, outside the fact you don't have any clue about stats.

Peace, we are done.

your soft, thats why.....ask anyone who played in in the michael jordan era....supposedly according to his stats michael jordan would have won it every year...this is the same thing with lebron james......if you don't know....its the board that votes for the mvp...stats are just a help....

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:55 PM
hahahhaha, thats what you think...i look at every stat out there.....thats why basketball is a team game, not one on one.....

No you don't look at every stat out there. That is part of the problem here you don't look at anything you keep making **** up. You've been proven wrong about 20 times already yet you're still arguing.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:55 PM
i have a hard time believing youve watched basketball for 25 years because the way you write/talk you cant be 25 yrs old even

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:56 PM
but to get a better grasp on who is better when comparing players advanced stats are much better what point dont u understand its not that hard

im not going to lie but lebron james put up stats nobody can do...thats why he has 20 youngest players records...at the end of the day, its all about the mvps and rings...thats what it comes down to at the end of the day

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:57 PM
your soft, thats why.....ask anyone who played in in the michael jordan era....supposedly according to his stats michael jordan would have won it every year...this is the same thing with lebron james......if you don't know....its the board that votes for the mvp...stats are just a help....

lmao you really know your stuff bro bow down to rockbottom

Rndy
03-09-2013, 10:57 PM
your soft, thats why.....ask anyone who played in in the michael jordan era....supposedly according to his stats michael jordan would have won it every year...this is the same thing with lebron james......if you don't know....its the board that votes for the mvp...stats are just a help....

stats are just a help nobody is saying stats are everything you're the one who brought up stats when people were saying how bad Jennings was. The fact that you didn't understand the stats you brought up is why this thread has reached 8 pages. Don't bring up stats get proven wrong with more advanced stats then look down on people for talking about stats.... The fact that you're the only one here who doesn't understand how hypocritical every post you've made here is actually sad at this point. Go back starting at page 1 read every post you made and look at the amount of times you have flip flopped for your argument. I have a hard time believing you're even 20 years old at this point.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 10:57 PM
No you don't look at every stat out there. That is part of the problem here you don't look at anything you keep making **** up. You've been proven wrong about 20 times already yet you're still arguing.

so your saying that im making things up about stats all all....i was the who put the most reliable links...and u reliable source is wikipedia, nuff said

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 10:58 PM
im not going to lie but lebron james put up stats nobody can do...thats why he has 20 youngest players records...at the end of the day, its all about the mvps and rings...thats what it comes down to at the end of the day

this is about bj3 and how bad of a shooter/scorer he is nothing about lebron

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:00 PM
stats are just a help nobody is saying stats are everything you're the one who brought up stats when people were saying how bad Jennings was. The fact that you didn't understand the stats you brought up is why this thread has reached 8 pages. Don't bring up stats get proven wrong with more advanced stats then look down on people for talking about stats....

coming back to this topic, how many times i have linked it to you, and ya so hes only fg%....its a overrated stat, and secondly, hes still in his rookie contract....rose is getting paid superstar money......and he didn't play all season long....another example, andrew bynum didn't play all season long and hes getting paid extremely high...you tell me, is he overrated?

Rndy
03-09-2013, 11:00 PM
so your saying that im making things up about stats all all....i was the who put the most reliable links...and u reliable source is wikipedia, nuff said

Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:01 PM
this is about bj3 and how bad of a shooter/scorer he is nothing about lebron

lebron james is at a planet nobody will reach......jennings to me is avg, he will get overpaid.....many ppl are forgetting the fact that stars like hibbert, jordan, etc. are getting overpaid

Rndy
03-09-2013, 11:01 PM
coming back to this topic, how many times i have linked it to you, and ya so hes only fg%....its a overrated stat, and secondly, hes still in his rookie contract....rose is getting paid superstar money......and he didn't play all season long....another example, andrew bynum didn't play all season long and hes getting paid extremely high...you tell me, is he overrated?

depends how he is rated? He's not a top 10 point guard so it's kind of hard to be overrated when nobody even thinks he's good other than you.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:02 PM
Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?

ahaha....now your attack me w/ comprehension, nuff said

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:02 PM
coming back to this topic, how many times i have linked it to you, and ya so hes only fg%....its a overrated stat, and secondly, hes still in his rookie contract....rose is getting paid superstar money......and he didn't play all season long....another example, andrew bynum didn't play all season long and hes getting paid extremely high...you tell me, is he overrated?

lol im done everyone else who post in here will tell u your wrong why do you think there is more people against u than with you? we hating on u? were trying to punk u? were soft? no dude were only trying to help you and inform you more and help you learn the game but im done you'll see

Rndy
03-09-2013, 11:03 PM
ahaha....now your attack me w/ comprehension, nuff said

Kind of hard not to when you continue to not understand what anyone is saying, continued to put words into peoples mouths, and change the subject every post when you don't want to admit you're wrong. I'd call that the definition of someone who had a reading comprehension problem....

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 11:03 PM
coming back to this topic, how many times i have linked it to you, and ya so hes only fg%....its a overrated stat, and secondly, hes still in his rookie contract....rose is getting paid superstar money......and he didn't play all season long....another example, andrew bynum didn't play all season long and hes getting paid extremely high...you tell me, is he overrated?

no, they are injured. Is that so difficult for you to understand?

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:03 PM
nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said nuff said

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:03 PM
depends how he is rated? He's not a top 10 point guard so it's kind of hard to be overrated when nobody even thinks he's good other than you.

do you have short term memory loss or what? you didn't look at my post what so ever, first and for most, hes a top 10-15 pg....

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 11:04 PM
why do you keep saying "nuff said"? It makes you sound defensive and out of your element.

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:05 PM
i knew i shouldnt have argue'd w a guy who has a pic of biggy n says greatest rapper ever :) #pac

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:05 PM
no, they are injured. Is that so difficult for you to understand?

you don't even know yourself, according to multiple sources, hes doesn't want to play this season because of their record...secondly, hes not a max player....and he will end up getting the money he will ask for.....

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:06 PM
i knew i shouldnt have argue'd w a guy who has a pic of biggy n says greatest rapper ever :) #pac

if u knew....biggie was the first rapper to hit diamond...this is the best u can come up with and not basketball?

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:06 PM
ok u say 10-15 go look at his reg stats and see where he ranks than go look at his advanced stats vs other pgs n see where he ends up maybe that will help u see how bad he is at being a pg and shooting/scoring

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:07 PM
if u knew....biggie was the first rapper to hit diamond...this is the best u can come up with and not basketball?

haha

*Silver&Black*
03-09-2013, 11:08 PM
i say atlanta....

Teague is cheaper, shoots a better %, and a better passer.

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:08 PM
Kind of hard not to when you continue to not understand what anyone is saying, continued to put words into peoples mouths, and change the subject every post when you don't want to admit you're wrong. I'd call that the definition of someone who had a reading comprehension problem....

you know were talking about sports, not literature....so if you don't want talk about it, then get the "f" out

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:09 PM
haha

if you really knew about the hip hop game, go look at the documentaries...the illuminati ****ed up pacs and biggies relationship

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:10 PM
you know were talking about sports, not literature....so if you don't want talk about it, then get the "f" out

getting defensive? yeah u are, but thats more defense that bjs played all year lol

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:10 PM
Teague is cheaper, shoots a better %, and a better passer.

the only reason i think atl is going to go after him is because devon harris and dahntey jones are UFAs after this season.....oh ya, not to forget, J-Smoove

rockbottom2010
03-09-2013, 11:11 PM
getting defensive? yeah u are, but thats more defense that bjs played all year lol

why do I have to be defensive, i have nothing to lose

WhiskeyBear
03-09-2013, 11:12 PM
11 Pages, 8 of which aren't even on topic. Welcome to the NBA forum

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:13 PM
11 Pages, 8 of which aren't even on topic. Welcome to the NBA forum

right and im part of that but the nba forum would be better if the posters actually understood what the hell they were talking about

ROY 2 MVP Braun
03-09-2013, 11:14 PM
right and im part of that but the nba forum would be better if the posters actually understood what the hell they were talking about

and 98% do its just the 2% that dont and are the people who post 75% of the time lol

xxplayerxx23
03-09-2013, 11:16 PM
Jennings is very young and talented. Yes he isn't efficient but a lot of tr time PGs aren't that efficient what worries me is his attidue, playmaking ability and his defense. But he is young enough to change all 3 of those.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 11:17 PM
Jennings is very young and talented. Yes he isn't efficient but a lot of tr time PGs aren't that efficient what worries me is his attidue, playmaking ability and his defense. But he is young enough to change all 3 of those.

But would you chase him with a 4 year, $40 million deal banking on that? That is why I think he will be a bad signing this offseason.

xxplayerxx23
03-09-2013, 11:23 PM
But would you chase him with a 4 year, $40 million deal banking on that? That is why I think he will be a bad signing this offseason.

Personally I wouldn't touch him. I was just point out that while he is a high risk he is a high reward type player. Put him with the right team and coach that can influence him in the right direction I think he can be worth that contract.

conway429
03-09-2013, 11:38 PM
maaaan this guy gave me a headache...cant believe i read all that

The_Jamal
03-09-2013, 11:42 PM
Personally I wouldn't touch him. I was just point out that while he is a high risk he is a high reward type player. Put him with the right team and coach that can influence him in the right direction I think he can be worth that contract.

You could say the same thing about 90% of players in the NBA though. Jennings has to be a lead option for him to be truly effective. Take away his shots/scoring and you don't have much left with Jennings.

Actually, I think Jennings could have been successful with a healthy Bogut with the roster they have now. Jennings+a bunch of defensive role-players (Sanders, Bogut, Ilyasova) would have made sense on both ends of the court.

Hawkeye15
03-09-2013, 11:43 PM
You could say the same thing about 90% of players in the NBA though. Jennings has to be a lead option for him to be truly effective. Take away his shots/scoring and you don't have much left with Jennings.

Actually, I think Jennings could have been successful with a healthy Bogut with the roster they have now. Jennings+a bunch of defensive role-players (Sanders, Bogut, Ilyasova) would have made sense on both ends of the court.

Of course you can say most of the NBA is overpaid. The GM's who understand real value are the most successful, and that is why there isn't much parity in the league.

Doogolas
03-09-2013, 11:46 PM
Yay! Good for you Milwaukee, you're losing a bad basketball player relative to the rest of the NBA.

xxplayerxx23
03-09-2013, 11:48 PM
You could say the same thing about 90% of players in the NBA though. Jennings has to be a lead option for him to be truly effective. Take away his shots/scoring and you don't have much left with Jennings.

Actually, I think Jennings could have been successful with a healthy Bogut with the roster they have now. Jennings+a bunch of defensive role-players (Sanders, Bogut, Ilyasova) would have made sense on both ends of the court.

Yes I understand what you mean, but he is very talented and can score the basketball. I think learning from a vet and a hard nosed coach would def help him. Also defense a lot of the time is about effort, he is athletic and quick enough to be a solid defender it's all about effort with him. Like I said me personally I wouldn't take the risk even if my team had the room to have an option on him, but certain teams will.

xxplayerxx23
03-09-2013, 11:48 PM
Maybe Utah?

KnicksorBust
03-10-2013, 09:29 AM
You could say the same thing about 90% of players in the NBA though. Jennings has to be a lead option for him to be truly effective. Take away his shots/scoring and you don't have much left with Jennings.

Actually, I think Jennings could have been successful with a healthy Bogut with the roster they have now. Jennings+a bunch of defensive role-players (Sanders, Bogut, Ilyasova) would have made sense on both ends of the court.

I feel the exact opposite. Jennings needs to be on a team where he's not even the lead GUARD (playing with Monta doesn't count b/c he's a trainwreck also). Jennings is a 3/4 option at best. That's why he would have been a good fit for the Lakers because he could have played off the ball much better than say a Steve Blake or a Chris Duhon. He is a good spot-up shooter and he can penetrate. Obviously they are much better off with Nash but that's the type of situation where Jennings could play his best basketball.

If a team like ORL gives him a big contract they will regret it for every year he's there.

JasonJohnHorn
03-10-2013, 11:10 AM
He should be in a 6th man role on a contender because he sure as hell can't be a starting PG on a winning team

Hey, if Mario Chambers can be a starting PG on a championship team, then just about any PG in the league can be!

I mean, John Paxon won three in a row as the starting 'PG', and Fisher has won five rings as a starting PG. What makes you think Jennings couldn't pull it off?

I'm not saying Jennings is the guy I would build around, but he does have some skill.

RLundi
03-10-2013, 11:11 AM
Lol can't believe someone was arguing Jennings is underrated. If he leaves, he'll do Milwaukee a favor ... and whatever new team he swindles a disservice.

RLundi
03-10-2013, 11:12 AM
I feel the exact opposite. Jennings needs to be on a team where he's not even the lead GUARD (playing with Monta doesn't count b/c he's a trainwreck also). Jennings is a 3/4 option at best. That's why he would have been a good fit for the Lakers because he could have played off the ball much better than say a Steve Blake or a Chris Duhon. He is a good spot-up shooter and he can penetrate. Obviously they are much better off with Nash but that's the type of situation where Jennings could play his best basketball.

If a team like ORL gives him a big contract they will regret it for every year he's there.

Lol Orlando isn't gonna touch him.

Sly Guy
03-10-2013, 11:18 AM
lol...a lot of people don't know that jennings is still in his rookie contract, and on top of that hes only 23 years old....he is definitely not overrated...if he was getting paid like a superstar...different story

numbers never lie
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings

maybe not overpaid, but she should not be highly paid either. just another 'me first' little guy who jacks up too many shots. Might grow into a good solid piece, but he's not that yet, and I wouldn't pay him like one yet either.

SwatTeam
03-10-2013, 12:17 PM
Jennings is a very inefficient player and will become overrated once someone signs him to a huge contract.

As for that rockbottom kid (such a fitting user name) it seems like english isn't his 1st language. So I'll give him a pass. However, if english is his 1st language then we are doomed as a country.

heyman321
03-10-2013, 12:20 PM
I hope the Knicks sign him sot ehy get another overrated chucker.

Trueblue2
03-10-2013, 01:07 PM
:laugh2: ok man thank god Christopher Columbus didn't have your mentality that is all good talk.

But Christopher Columbus didnt discover america...

BKdoubleStacker
03-10-2013, 02:32 PM
lmao this thread is lulz, i actually read every page sadly.

I respect randy and hawkeye for having the patience to roast rockbottom who has made my brain hurt with irrational and incoherent arguments

with that said, jennings is overrated, but would make a great 6th man. The bucks will be a better team without him.

nuff said

GiantsSwaGG
03-10-2013, 02:41 PM
Never knew chuckers can win

mrblisterdundee
03-10-2013, 04:41 PM
Milwaukee should have thought about a trade to start over at point guard, because the rift with Brandon Jennings seems like it's gone a little too far to be repaired.
One idea would have been a three-way trade involving Milwaukee, Los Angeles and Indiana, with Eric Bledsoe to Milwaukee, Brandon Jennings to Indiana and Danny Granger to Los Angeles being the main components.

TopsyTurvy
03-10-2013, 04:51 PM
Overrated. Watch out for him being the frontrunner for "contract mistake of 2013."

Not sure about the overrated part (doesn't everyone know he's bad?), but he will certainly be the contract mistake of 2013.

D-Leethal
03-10-2013, 04:58 PM
I think I see Dallas in his future.

c.c.
03-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Brandon Jennings is far from overrated!

rockbottom2010
03-10-2013, 05:11 PM
maybe not overpaid, but she should not be highly paid either. just another 'me first' little guy who jacks up too many shots. Might grow into a good solid piece, but he's not that yet, and I wouldn't pay him like one yet either.

eventually he will get overpaid.....somebody will give him the dollars.....

shep33
03-10-2013, 05:33 PM
Bucks GM: "Okay"

Cal827
03-10-2013, 05:57 PM
That would have been a helluva backcourt to watch lol... Dwight would spazz out playing with those two

:dance: JENNINGS TO LA :dance:

felixng2012
03-10-2013, 06:00 PM
Another chucker PG/SG combo guard that thinks he is worth a lot more than he really is. Some stupid franchise will pay up though.

ThaDubs
03-10-2013, 06:03 PM
Everybody is giving Brandon a hard time. He started the season off terrible but last 10 game is averaging almost 20 points and 10 assists on 47% shooting. If he can play like that he'll make a team happy.

felixng2012
03-10-2013, 06:06 PM
Everybody is giving Brandon a hard time. He started the season off terrible but last 10 game is averaging almost 20 points and 10 assists on 47% shooting. If he can play like that he'll make a team happy.
Everyone has good stretches. All it means is that his bad stretches are far below his career averages which is really really bad.

97NYer
03-10-2013, 06:11 PM
He should be in a 6th man role on a contender because he sure as hell can't be a starting PG on a winning team

Mario Chalmers, Derek Fisher, washed up Jason Kidd are all recent point guards to win titles. Brandon Jennings absolutely could be a winning team's point guard, in fact the Bucks are a winning team, and he is their point guard.

time4change
03-10-2013, 06:16 PM
Jennings isn't going anywhere.

Money has a way of persuading people.

Jennings isn't overrated. Last time I checked people actually think you are good to be overrated. Being a Jennings fan myself and listening to most people's draining explanation as to why a 23 year old PG who didnt attend college is overrated.

Jennings right now is a decent player who can get better.

No one will pay him what Milwaukee is going to pay him. when he's looking at 11/12 mill a year for 5 years his tune will change.

Are we going to overvalue him and overpay him? Absolutely, but as a fan who watches every bucks game I would be happy my team payed him that. Being someone who watched us completely mishandle our last star in Ray Allen (not comparing the two as basketball players) I don't want to see it happen again as I know he is a star in the making.

He is the only player since Ray that has that it factor. I love it about him. Is he great? No, but he shows flashes of so much potential.

t0nyg11
03-10-2013, 06:18 PM
I don't think he's worth that much

Rndy
03-10-2013, 06:36 PM
But Christopher Columbus didnt discover america...

:confused: I was referring to the world being flat... Why would my point make any sense regarding America? I thought it was pretty obvious that people like RockBottom are willing to settle for what they know instead of expanding their minds to learn

Chitownhero1992
03-10-2013, 08:56 PM
Anyone else think he could end up as part of a big three in Houston? I see Houston making a play for Jennings and Smith to pair with Harden and see them trading Lin away.

KnicksorBust
03-10-2013, 08:59 PM
No. I think Houston is set in the backcourt... They just need to flip Parsons for a stud big and then they catapult toward the front of the line...

It's funny because I see a guy like JR Smith getting about $2.4 million this season to come off the bench and be an offensive spark and I can't help but think... yeah that's a little low but about right for guys like him and Jennings. How these guys end up with $10 million per year deals is beyond me...

MrfadeawayJB
03-10-2013, 09:25 PM
:laugh: who wants to stay in Milwaukee?

LA4life24/8
03-10-2013, 09:42 PM
I hate Jennings. I think he's terrible but he would have been perfect for LAL before they got Nash.

uhhh no thanks... maybe off the bench he would have been perfect, dude chucks just as much as kobe does... dwight would never see the ball, plus you are right, nash is a much better fit, seeing as how he is an excellent shooter

Chucky Woods
03-10-2013, 09:52 PM
:laugh: who wants to stay in Milwaukee?Lots of people, it's a more storied franchise than the Grizzlies. How's zero championships treating you?

SluggeR
03-10-2013, 09:53 PM
I believe the guy can do damage in the right situation..

Losoway
03-11-2013, 01:32 PM
brandon jenning is a baller. put him on any contending team and he is going to go show it

BKdoubleStacker
03-11-2013, 03:31 PM
the bucks have a pretty solid team.

I think if you replaced jennings with someone like rondo, lowry, conley, etc. they would have 5-8 more wins

time4change
03-11-2013, 04:46 PM
:laugh: who wants to stay in Milwaukee?

Really??

kobe4thewinbang
03-11-2013, 05:01 PM
Don't blame him for disliking Milwaukee, but I wouldn't want to stay in Brandon Jennings either.

mrblisterdundee
03-11-2013, 09:57 PM
Really??

I've heard Milwaukee's actually quite a nice city, what will all the beer.

Blitzbolt
03-11-2013, 09:59 PM
:laugh: who wants to stay in Milwaukee?Josh Smith :)

Jimmer55
03-11-2013, 10:01 PM
I think Jennings is playing the actual PG position as of late, as opposed to chucker. I think he will continue to improve, as he looks up to Nash and studies his film. Milwaukee better sign him. He's still young and improving.

NoahH
03-11-2013, 10:43 PM
Maybe Jennings could play SG next to a larger PG? Then he could just focus on shooting eg. Allen Iverson

LongWayFromHome
03-11-2013, 11:31 PM
:confused: I was referring to the world being flat... Why would my point make any sense regarding America? I thought it was pretty obvious that people like RockBottom are willing to settle for what they know instead of expanding their minds to learn

Sorry bro but Columbus didn't discover/prove/whatever that the world was flat either. That info was common to the Western world by the 600s BC (2000 years prior to Columbus). And it was affirmed in 300s BC by a little guy named Aristotle, ever heard of him?

By Columbus days only A FEW Catholics who didn't trust science at all still thought the world was flat and would have been considered idiots for it.

Read about Columbus sometime. You will find out most of what your teachers taught you is absolute lies.

Trueblue2
03-12-2013, 03:35 AM
:confused: I was referring to the world being flat... Why would my point make any sense regarding America? I thought it was pretty obvious that people like RockBottom are willing to settle for what they know instead of expanding their minds to learn

I honestly wasnt expecting anyone to acknowledge that post. I just posted it for *****.

And its a myth that people thought the world was flat in his day btw. The shape of thw earth was known centuries before his birth.

Kefman2110
03-12-2013, 04:35 AM
As a Bucks fan its just the same thing different day with this guy. He's a diva for sure and needs to be pampered and told he's great. He's so butt hurt right now cuz he knows he's replaceable for the first time in his career here in Milwaukee. Especially with the reports that the Bucks offered Redick a contract extension and they want Ellis to play more of the pg spot(which btw Ellis has been thriving since he has been running this team). If he wants out, that's fine. No hard feelings here. Saves us some money.