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Mobsterkel
02-23-2013, 11:37 PM
1. Karl Malone
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Hakeem the Dream
4. Micheal Jordan
5. John Stockton
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
9. Bill Russel
10. Larry Bird

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:46 PM
Seeing Karl Malone's name up there makes me cringe.

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:47 PM
I'm just gonna assume you're leaving Magic off because of the whole HIV thing, based on the players on your list Malone had the best longevity.

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:51 PM
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS

1985-86 22 UTA NBA PF 81 76
1986-87 23 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1987-88 24 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1988-89 25 UTA NBA PF 80 80
1989-90 26 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1990-91 27 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1991-92 28 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1992-93 29 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1993-94 30 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1994-95 31 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1995-96 32 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1996-97 33 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1997-98 34 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1998-99 35 UTA NBA PF 49 49
1999-00 36 UTA NBA PF 82 82
2000-01 37 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2001-02 38 UTA NBA PF 80 80
2002-03 39 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2003-04 40 LAL NBA PF 42 42
Career NBA 1476 1471

He's only missed a significant amount of time in two years.

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:52 PM
Lol I just saw Stockton's name. :laugh:

tredigs
02-23-2013, 11:52 PM
Yikes I don't know about Larry on that list. Would've loved a few more years without the chronic back pain. Malone/Stockton/Kobe/Jordan all definitely popped into my head quickly. You're definitely missing Chamberlain - who was in fact the best athlete in NBA history - and among the healthiest.


Lol I just saw Stockton's name. :laugh:

? I don't get the laugh.

ManRam
02-23-2013, 11:56 PM
Stockton the 2nd best PG of all time, til CP3 passes him at least..

Malone was rock.

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:58 PM
Yikes I don't know about Larry on that list. Would've loved a few more years without the chronic back pain. Malone/Stockton/Kobe/Jordan all definitely popped into my head quickly. You're definitely missing Chamberlain - who was in fact the best athlete in NBA history - and among the healthiest.



? I don't get the laugh.

My bad. I'm interpreting the question wrong, was thinking he was asking which top 10 player is the best at avoiding injuries.

b@llhog24
02-23-2013, 11:59 PM
Stockton the 2nd best PG of all time, til CP3 passes him at least..

Malone was rock.

You think he's better than Oscar, or you just think of Oscar as a SG?

LoveMeOrHateMe
02-24-2013, 12:00 AM
1. Karl Malone
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Hakeem the Dream
4. Micheal Jordan
5. John Stockton
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
9. Bill Russel
10. Larry Bird


Lol Kobe should not be on this list, he's been injured so many times throughout his career it just seems that he doesn't ever get injured because he plays through pain! If anything lebron has never really been seriously hurt lucky dude

Becks2307
02-24-2013, 12:01 AM
Andre miller

tredigs
02-24-2013, 12:01 AM
My bad - I just re-read the question and realized it could (probably more likely) be taken as a re-ordering of the top ten list in order of healthiest to least healthy?

I was thinking of it more as the top combination of health+dominance. Even still, Stockton is a top 25 player ever. That dude can not be laughed off any list. Unbelievable player; don't underestimate the utah whiteness, he would shred all these kids.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:04 AM
I have him around that area as well, but it's actually quite laughable imo to say that Stockton is a top 10 player.

tredigs
02-24-2013, 12:05 AM
Lol Kobe should not be on this list, he's been injured so many times throughout his career it just seems that he doesn't ever get injured because he plays through pain! If anything lebron has never really been seriously hurt lucky dude

Don't be foolish guy, none of these players were ever so lucky to be 100% healthy, that's virtually impossible - they just had grit and had injuries they were able to play through - like Kobe.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:07 AM
Lol Kobe should not be on this list, he's been injured so many times throughout his career it just seems that he doesn't ever get injured because he plays through pain! If anything lebron has never really been seriously hurt lucky dude

While a big part of staying from injuries is in fact luck. Dude's built like a tank. It's more genetics than luck.

Also, Westy's name (although he'll never be a top 10 player) will get some serious consideration in regards to durability when he's career is all said and done.

Rndy
02-24-2013, 12:08 AM
This is why I never go into the NBA general Jesus Christ guys do you even watch basketball? Not a single person here mentioned Greg Oden.

BREAKING NEWS by throwing some love at Oden I injured him.

But in all seriousness The guy who made the thread mentioned Bryant and I disagree Bryant gets hurt a lot he's just so freaking tough mentally and physically he plays through everything but he still gets injured so unless this thread is about playing while hurt I'm not so sure I'd put Kobe at number 2.

ManRam
02-24-2013, 12:08 AM
You think he's better than Oscar, or you just think of Oscar as a SG?

Well, yeah. Oscar was a PG, but he also wasn't for a lot of his career.

I'm a bit of a Stockton homer. He was my favorite player when I was real young. But yeah, I think he was as good as Oscar :shrug:

They often had totally different roles...but I love Stockton's efficiency and shooting ability. can't go wrong with either. I do get why the VAST majority rank Oscar ahead of Stockton.


What I don't get is the dumb dumbs who rate Isiah over Stockton...

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:10 AM
Also there's a difference between playing "hurt" and playing injured, one actually doesn't/shouldn't happen.

tredigs
02-24-2013, 12:11 AM
I have him around that area as well, but it's actually quite laughable imo to say that Stockton is a top 10 player.

Is he laughably worse than Oscar? I don't know about that at all. You're talking about a guy who averaged a PER easily over 21 his entire 18 year career and WS/48 over >.200 in that span. Most players are unbelievably lucky to have one year of dominance at that level (especially being a 32+ per minute player).

Stockton had two things that went against him. Not a big time scorer and didn't win a ship. He will NEVER be respected as much as he should be on account of that. Unbelievable ****ing player, though. Led the league in asst% basically his entire career. Is that bad?

ManRam
02-24-2013, 12:13 AM
Also there's a difference between playing "hurt" and playing injured, one actually doesn't/shouldn't happen.

Like kobe. Who plays hurt frequently, but rarely (ever?) truly injured.

alexander_37
02-24-2013, 12:13 AM
KG has missed like 100 games out of 16 seasons.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:14 AM
Andre miller

:love: that guy.


Well, yeah. Oscar was a PG, but he also wasn't for a lot of his career.

I'm a bit of a Stockton homer. He was my favorite player when I was real young. But yeah, I think he was as good as Oscar :shrug:

They often had totally different roles...but I love Stockton's efficiency and shooting ability. can't go wrong with either. I do get why the VAST majority rank Oscar ahead of Stockton.


What I don't get is the dumb dumbs who rate Isiah over Stockton...

Then there's probably no need to take this further. But yea, I don't see how Zeke shakes out on top of Stockton as far as All-Time lists go.

ManRam
02-24-2013, 12:16 AM
Is he laughably worse than Oscar? I don't know about that at all. You're talking about a guy who averaged a PER easily over 21 his entire 18 year career and WS/48 over >.200 in that span. Most players are unbelievably lucky to have one year of dominance at that level (especially being a 32+ per minute player).

Stockton had two things that went against him. Not a big time scorer and didn't win a ship. He will NEVER be respected as much as he should be on account of that. Unbelievable ****ing player, though. Led the league in asst% basically his entire career. Is that bad?

Amen. If there are 2 players I'll defend to my grave it's Stockton and his career and T-Mac and his prime.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:17 AM
Is he laughably worse than Oscar? I don't know about that at all. You're talking about a guy who averaged a PER easily over 21 his entire 18 year career and WS/48 over >.200 in that span. Most players are unbelievably lucky to have one year of dominance at that level (especially being a 32+ per minute player).

Stockton had two things that went against him. Not a big time scorer and didn't win a ship. He will NEVER be respected as much as he should be on account of that. Unbelievable ****ing player, though. Led the league in asst% basically his entire career. Is that bad?

Except Oscar has more credence to that claim than Stockton. I tend to tank him around 14-17ish. Maybe it's a proximity thing. But it just "feels" weirder to have Stockton in a top 10 than Oscar. And no don't confuse me with the "OMG he averaged a trip-dub" cats.

tredigs
02-24-2013, 12:17 AM
@BallHog - word - Westbrook is clearly an elite player (and once OKC wins a ship, that will be validated), and so far is one of the most durable players of our time. He has never missed a game in his life at any level to my knowledge.

And I agree with Stockton in the ~15-18 range.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:22 AM
Like kobe. Who plays hurt frequently, but rarely (ever?) truly injured.

He missed some time in 04 or 05. I think he injured his shoulder or some shxt.


@BallHog - word - Westbrook is clearly an elite player (and once OKC wins a ship, that will be validated), and so far is one of the most durable players of our time. He has never missed a game in his life at any level to my knowledge.

As far back as high school they say. His durability/endurance is also a big reason why I ranked him over Wade last year.

Hawkeye15
02-24-2013, 12:23 AM
Bron has missed 33 games out of 740, a few of those resting when seed # in hand. He seems impervious to injury.

All time, Stockton and Malone were awesome, and Kobe has played through tons of little injuries that most players would take time off for.

ManRam
02-24-2013, 12:25 AM
He missed some time in 04 or 05. I think he injured his shoulder or some shxt.


Kobe has missed VERY little time, but he's adored by people who respect his ability to play through rolled ankles, broken fingers on his off-hand and minor back-spasms. Dude has NEVER taken a game off because he felt like it, but he's regarded as a warrior that he's simply not. Durable as ****? YEAH. But the injuries he plays through are wildly overblown.

tredigs
02-24-2013, 12:25 AM
He missed some time in 04 or 05. I think he injured his shoulder or some shxt.



As far back as high school they say. His durability/endurance is also a big reason why I ranked him over Wade last year.

Read/heard the same, and agreed on ranking him over Wade on that fact. Wade's a better player, but over the totality of a season, I want Westbrook. Finals? For one last year, I want Wade.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:26 AM
@BallHog - word - Westbrook is clearly an elite player (and once OKC wins a ship, that will be validated), and so far is one of the most durable players of our time. He has never missed a game in his life at any level to my knowledge.

And I agree with Stockton in the ~15-18 range.

Actually I was speaking about Oscar...

Off the top of my head:

MJ
Wilt
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Bron
Shaq
Hakeem
Russel
DRob
Barkley
Duncan
West/Oscar/Moses
Malone
KG

are better than Stockton.

After that: Wade, Dirk, Pippen, Dr J have some compelling cases on their side.

Rndy
02-24-2013, 12:27 AM
I think it's amazing how durable Westbrook is I'm not really a fan of his play style but god that guy guts it out and goes on the court every night.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
02-24-2013, 12:28 AM
Bird? The end of his career was filled with injuries which made him retire. No way he should be up there.


Edit: Are you ranking these by what you think are the top 10 players of all time and re-ranking them by their injuries? If so, your top 10 is bad.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:29 AM
Kobe has missed VERY little time, but he's adored by people who respect his ability to play through rolled ankles, broken fingers on his off-hand and minor back-spasms. Dude has NEVER taken a game off because he felt like it, but he's regarded as a warrior that he's simply not. Durable as ****? YEAH. But the injuries he plays through are wildly overblown.

Yea, I don't want to diminish they fact that he actually plays through them. But they make it seem as if he's playing Willis Reed style for the full 82 games.


Read/heard the same, and agreed on ranking him over Wade on that fact. Wade's a better player, but over the totality of a season, I want Westbrook. Finals? For one last year, I want Wade.

+1. Could go either way though.

OceanSpray
02-24-2013, 12:33 AM
Why are you guys complaining about the players on that list and or including other players? Those are top 10 players of all time and he's asking which one was the most durable.

PrettyBoyJ
02-24-2013, 12:35 AM
Lebron Should be on this list

Hawkeye15
02-24-2013, 12:41 AM
Bird has zip business on this list.

Kevj77
02-24-2013, 12:42 AM
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS

1985-86 22 UTA NBA PF 81 76
1986-87 23 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1987-88 24 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1988-89 25 UTA NBA PF 80 80
1989-90 26 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1990-91 27 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1991-92 28 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1992-93 29 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1993-94 30 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1994-95 31 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1995-96 32 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1996-97 33 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1997-98 34 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1998-99 35 UTA NBA PF 49 49
1999-00 36 UTA NBA PF 82 82
2000-01 37 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2001-02 38 UTA NBA PF 80 80
2002-03 39 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2003-04 40 LAL NBA PF 42 42
Career NBA 1476 1471

He's only missed a significant amount of time in two years.

98-99 was a strike year he wasn't injured.

b@llhog24
02-24-2013, 12:45 AM
98-99 was a strike year he wasn't injured.

My bad...

A_Bynum_sucks
02-24-2013, 01:06 AM
I personally feel Jack Sigma should be on that list. He was as tough, and as durable as they come. Or at least as I remember him.

hidalgo
02-24-2013, 01:26 AM
98-99 was a strike year he wasn't injured.he missed only 1 game in 99

3RDASYSTEM
02-24-2013, 01:34 AM
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS

1985-86 22 UTA NBA PF 81 76
1986-87 23 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1987-88 24 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1988-89 25 UTA NBA PF 80 80
1989-90 26 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1990-91 27 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1991-92 28 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1992-93 29 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1993-94 30 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1994-95 31 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1995-96 32 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1996-97 33 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1997-98 34 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1998-99 35 UTA NBA PF 49 49
1999-00 36 UTA NBA PF 82 82
2000-01 37 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2001-02 38 UTA NBA PF 80 80
2002-03 39 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2003-04 40 LAL NBA PF 42 42
Career NBA 1476 1471

He's only missed a significant amount of time in two years.

Lockout season of like 50 games, so only 1yr he missed any significant time, wat a nba ironman

3RDASYSTEM
02-24-2013, 01:44 AM
Well, yeah. Oscar was a PG, but he also wasn't for a lot of his career.

I'm a bit of a Stockton homer. He was my favorite player when I was real young. But yeah, I think he was as good as Oscar :shrug:

They often had totally different roles...but I love Stockton's efficiency and shooting ability. can't go wrong with either. I do get why the VAST majority rank Oscar ahead of Stockton.


What I don't get is the dumb dumbs who rate Isiah over Stockton...

Its funny how the ring **** work for KOBE and RUSS but not for ISIAH? wow

a psd moment: 2 rings beats 0 ..ZEKE wins

plus ZEKE could drop 25pts in a qtr/half and drop 10-15 dimes in a game if needed, STOCKTON wasn't capable of that, being efficient doesn't meant **** when you shoot 8-12x a game, its no pressure in that, now tell STOCKTON to go drop 40 when MALONE needs that help, nevermind he couldn't, but he was a damn good PG, tough as nails and could shoot and carry that damn ball(those zip passes to MALONE was classic, also a palm violation), made AI jealous

How is that a bad judge of player by saying ZEKE over STOCKTON, its not like people are screaming BOGUES/BOYKINS over STOCKTON, ZEKE is legit..and plus he beat a young in his psd prime JORDAN/BIRD/MAGIC, while STOCKTON couldn't beat a seasoned-oldman JORDAN

But I get it I don't understand for the life of day how we could rank a guy who was the leader/best player with 2 rings over a guy who went to 2 Finals as co star and lost both

beating JORDAN-BIRD-MAGIC destroys beating oldman 2nd 3peat JORDAN...and its not even close

so you loved STOCKTON efficiency and shooting but didn't care for ZEKE's 'game'

to each his own

ThaDubs
02-24-2013, 02:25 AM
You think he's better than Oscar, or you just think of Oscar as a SG?

Big O played in an era where LeBron could average a quadruple double.

KnickNyKnick
02-24-2013, 02:26 AM
jason kidd

tredigs
02-24-2013, 02:44 AM
Actually I was speaking about Oscar...

Off the top of my head:

MJ
Wilt
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Bron
Shaq
Hakeem
Russel
DRob
Barkley
Duncan
West/Oscar/Moses
Malone
KG

are better than Stockton.

After that: Wade, Dirk, Pippen, Dr J have some compelling cases on their side.
Ah OK. And looking at it I actually do agree with all of that. There's 5 more you could throw in the mix also. But yeah, like I said originally - top 25 player ever. And could/did kill it against most of these guys. Just played against a few better players/teams. Tough era.

Sactown
02-24-2013, 02:46 AM
A.C Green played like 1,192 games consecutive

tredigs
02-24-2013, 02:49 AM
AC Green was a gangster. Unforgotten big piece of some of those Showtime Laker squads.

Sactown
02-24-2013, 02:56 AM
AC Green was a gangster. Unforgotten big piece of some of those Showtime Laker squads.

He was also a boss at not getting injured.

DumDum
02-24-2013, 03:39 AM
Lol Kobe should not be on this list, he's been injured so many times throughout his career it just seems that he doesn't ever get injured because he plays through pain! If anything lebron has never really been seriously hurt lucky dude


your half right about kobe he only got minor injuries his finger maybe the worst of it he keeps healthy all those jordan videos really help. you can't go a day without thinking about lebron right?

NoahH
02-24-2013, 03:15 PM
Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS

1985-86 22 UTA NBA PF 81 76
1986-87 23 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1987-88 24 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1988-89 25 UTA NBA PF 80 80
1989-90 26 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1990-91 27 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1991-92 28 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1992-93 29 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1993-94 30 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1994-95 31 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1995-96 32 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1996-97 33 UTA NBA PF 82 82
1997-98 34 UTA NBA PF 81 81
1998-99 35 UTA NBA PF 49 49
1999-00 36 UTA NBA PF 82 82
2000-01 37 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2001-02 38 UTA NBA PF 80 80
2002-03 39 UTA NBA PF 81 81
2003-04 40 LAL NBA PF 42 42
Career NBA 1476 1471

He's only missed a significant amount of time in two years.
And 98-99 was a lockout year, he missed one game

rocket
02-24-2013, 03:30 PM
LeBron?