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sbanks
02-23-2013, 07:48 AM
I don't know if the question have been raised recently, but i was just wondering what people hink, there is a lot of Jeremy Lin hate out there
And don't answer a certain player because he has a contact, he is not worth, just who is the worst PG.. (also don't answer playes like Nate Robinson, who is not a real starter. because we know Rose is the normal starter, same with Rondo in Boston)

eso
02-23-2013, 08:18 AM
That bum that the clippers start, or possible the chump for the spurs.

justinnum1
02-23-2013, 09:05 AM
Kyle Lowry is on the list but not felton? :rolleyes:

dalton749
02-23-2013, 09:09 AM
Kyle Lowry is on the list but not felton? :rolleyes:

lol lowry doesnt belong here.
per 36 16/5.6/7.4

amak316
02-23-2013, 09:18 AM
Felton woulda been my pick by a pretty wide margin. Looking at this list its pretty amazing how deep the PG position is in the NBA right now, a lot of really good players on that list despite it being a poll for "worst starting PG"

xxplayerxx23
02-23-2013, 11:35 AM
Felton isn't worse then half of these guys. Lowry is closer to top 10 pg list then this. Lowry is a monster

kdspurman
02-23-2013, 11:41 AM
That bum that the clippers start, or possible the chump for the spurs.

This

mightybosstone
02-23-2013, 11:53 AM
It's definitely not Lowry, Lin, Williams, Hill, Teague or Walker. I do think Felton belongs on this list, but it's probably not him either. It would probably be between Knight and Chalmers if I had to pick, but it's almost unfair to judge Chalmers like a traditional point guard because he doesn't run the point. He's more of a 3-point shooting defensive specialist who happens to guard point guards. If I had to pick one guy, I'm probably going with Knight.

Gators123
02-23-2013, 12:55 PM
Knight doesn't start at Point Guard. Jose Calderon does.

xxplayerxx23
02-23-2013, 12:56 PM
Knight is a two now?

Gators123
02-23-2013, 01:00 PM
Knight is a two now?

Yeah. Hes been the starting SG since the trade like 3 weeks ago.

I Rock Shaqs
02-23-2013, 01:15 PM
LOL I'm guessing whoever voted Lowry was just for jokes, I'd say Felton or Lin.

Steve Nash although has been pretty garbage this year.

Hellcrooner
02-23-2013, 01:33 PM
Knight has been moved to the Sg spot since calderon is in the pistons.
Lowry does not belong on that list.

kdspurman
02-23-2013, 01:36 PM
Chalmers in the lead

KniCks4LiFe
02-23-2013, 01:54 PM
Lowry or Chalmers b/c they aren't really playmakers.

OceanSpray
02-23-2013, 02:04 PM
You guys clearly don't watch Miami Heat games. Chalmers plays great for them..

seikou8
02-23-2013, 02:13 PM
westbnck what a chucker

ManRam
02-23-2013, 02:24 PM
3 people voted for Lowry?

The ****?



It's probably Chalmers, Knight or whoever is starting at PG for Minnesota (be it Ridnour, Shved or Rubio)

SINCESTARBURY25
02-23-2013, 02:28 PM
I vote felton because everyone else hates any point guard the knicks have.

D-Leethal
02-23-2013, 02:33 PM
You put Chalmers on a team without the best point forward of all time and hes an absolute scrub.

TaylorMays
02-23-2013, 02:38 PM
Lol Jeremy Lin is the third worst pg according to the poll. That makes sense

Cal827
02-23-2013, 02:39 PM
LOL @ Lowry being in this list. He's a top 10 PG.

Probably Chalmers. I think he would be a great sixth man, but not starter...then again, his value might be impacted by the next three positions in their starting 5 lol

heyman321
02-23-2013, 02:42 PM
It's knight

gotoHcarolina52
02-23-2013, 02:43 PM
Chalmers makes a lot of boneheaded mistakes during the regular season, but that mother****er is as clutch as they come.

Nick O
02-23-2013, 02:45 PM
who voted lowry lmao? but id say chalmers....

Redskins10
02-23-2013, 02:47 PM
People are seriously voting Lowry and Lin :laugh: :laugh:

It's gotta be Jameer Nelson.

beasted86
02-23-2013, 03:05 PM
Mario Chalmers if you are using the weird qualifiers in the OP.

But based on this year its Hinrich since he has been the starter this whole year in all 41 games he has played and he's garbage. Still living off prior reputation, but his defense has fallen off and his shot is not there.

Bob_at_york
02-23-2013, 03:07 PM
i went with the one from the Mavs. Never been a big believer in him. Thought about Mo Williams. He is getting old.

beasted86
02-23-2013, 03:08 PM
You put Chalmers on a team without the best point forward of all time and hes an absolute scrub.

Chalmers is the worst starting PG, but his stats and overall impact were basically the same before LeBron so you are wrong in that regard.

jsumadchat
02-23-2013, 03:09 PM
e'twaun moore > jameer nelson.

OceanSpray
02-23-2013, 03:12 PM
For someone who doesn't get the ball 24/7, Chalmers is more than good. He's clutch as hell and can hit those threes. Fits right for the team.. It's not just a starting PG role, it's how the PG works with the system.

97NYer
02-23-2013, 03:16 PM
I picked Knight but he's starting at SG now. Kid is a freaking bum though.

beasted86
02-23-2013, 03:33 PM
For someone who doesn't get the ball 24/7, Chalmers is more than good. He's clutch as hell and can hit those threes. Fits right for the team.. It's not just a starting PG role, it's how the PG works with the system.

I agree with those points, but that's not how most people view it.

But there are a number of "better" starting PGs in the NBA that would make Miami a weaker team.

Nick O
02-23-2013, 03:38 PM
For someone who doesn't get the ball 24/7, Chalmers is more than good. He's clutch as hell and can hit those threes. Fits right for the team.. It's not just a starting PG role, it's how the PG works with the system.

right but you could put fricken Ish Smith in his role and the team would still be godly

CHANGO
02-23-2013, 03:50 PM
Obviously Chalmers... But we don't need him to be an excellent PG so, isn't really fair. Maybe if given the opportunity he can be a great combo guard.

CHANGO
02-23-2013, 03:52 PM
For someone who doesn't get the ball 24/7, Chalmers is more than good. He's clutch as hell and can hit those threes. Fits right for the team.. It's not just a starting PG role, it's how the PG works with the system.

Exactly this. With Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Allen etc... We don't need a GREAT pg, and Chalmers is the perfect man for that role.

Good defense, long arms for the steals, don't need the ball on his hands, not afraid of the big moments, can knock the 3pointers and the j's and etc...

Sactown
02-23-2013, 03:52 PM
Mario Chalmers doesn't even handle the ball and averages the same amount of assists as Isaiah Thomas... gotta be IT.

justinnum1
02-23-2013, 04:04 PM
chalmers is miami's derek fisher.

kdspurman
02-23-2013, 04:23 PM
chalmers is miami's derek fisher.

Fisher never got yelled at by his teammates all the time lol

ManRam
02-23-2013, 04:25 PM
e'twaun moore > jameer nelson.

Oh my God, please take that back.

I feel dirty after reading this.

ManRam
02-23-2013, 04:27 PM
right but you could put fricken Ish Smith in his role and the team would still be godly

You should take this back too.

Yikes.

Ish Smith is absolutely terrible. He has no business being in the league. At least Mario can shoot. Ish can't do that. Let's not slander Mario like this. He does have a role, and he fills it much better than true scrubs like Ish ever could.

justinnum1
02-23-2013, 04:35 PM
Fisher never got yelled at by his teammates all the time lol

That's because he was the same age as the stars the lakers had.

kdspurman
02-23-2013, 04:37 PM
That's because he was the same age as the stars the lakers had.

That's true. Just pointing out probably the bigger difference. Fisher was the guy who got on Kobe

ThaDubs
02-23-2013, 04:44 PM
Definitely Chalmers.

justinnum1
02-23-2013, 04:45 PM
That's true. Just pointing out probably the bigger difference. Fisher was the guy who got on Kobe

They get on chalmers, but for good reason. Chalmers truly thinks he is a top PG in this league and has more confidence than maybe anyone on the heat lol. It;sa good thing and a bad thing, but the guy steps up in pressure situations. It's rather impressive. He is an enigma in some ways. So inconsistent but very clutch in the playoffs. The perfect player for the role miami needs, a combo guard that can hit 3's and defend.

ThaDubs
02-23-2013, 04:45 PM
Isn't Brandon Knight a SG?

ManRam
02-23-2013, 04:48 PM
Isn't Brandon Knight a SG?

Calderon has bumped him to the 2.

I know for a fact that the 4 times Detroit has played Orlando he was their starting PG. I believe for the vast majority of the season he's been starting at the 1 and Singler at the 2.

3RDASYSTEM
02-23-2013, 04:49 PM
MO WILL
HILL
FELTON
LOWRY

should be taking off the list, MO WILL wasn't avg 5ppg before he teamed up with BRON
G.HILL earned the short stint trust of POP to a certain degree(says a lot)
FELTON is balling the games I've watched, he same player basically at UNC/BOBCATS
same with LOWRY, he was balling in HOU when I peeped him out

but had those guys won 3-5rings they would be easily top 5 at they position, top 10 ever arguably

ring is the thing for ''greatness-top 10 alltime''

game is for the birds and bees,impact is via PER/WS%

rocket
02-23-2013, 05:03 PM
Knight is a 2 lol...

LoveMeOrHateMe
02-23-2013, 05:04 PM
.

dalton749
02-23-2013, 05:09 PM
i like how everyone is complaining how knight is a 2. hes been a 2 for like 10 games. why? because he was a ****** starting point

ManRam
02-23-2013, 05:11 PM
MO WILL
HILL
FELTON
LOWRY

should be taking off the list, MO WILL wasn't avg 5ppg before he teamed up with BRON
G.HILL earned the short stint trust of POP to a certain degree(says a lot)
FELTON is balling the games I've watched, he same player basically at UNC/BOBCATS
same with LOWRY, he was balling in HOU when I peeped him out

but had those guys won 3-5rings they would be easily top 5 at they position, top 10 ever arguably

ring is the thing for ''greatness-top 10 alltime''

game is for the birds and bees,impact is via PER/WS%

Come again?

Sactown
02-23-2013, 05:13 PM
MO WILL
HILL
FELTON
LOWRY

should be taking off the list, MO WILL wasn't avg 5ppg before he teamed up with BRON
G.HILL earned the short stint trust of POP to a certain degree(says a lot)
FELTON is balling the games I've watched, he same player basically at UNC/BOBCATS
same with LOWRY, he was balling in HOU when I peeped him out

but had those guys won 3-5rings they would be easily top 5 at they position, top 10 ever arguably

ring is the thing for ''greatness-top 10 alltime''

game is for the birds and bees,impact is via PER/WS%

What the hell?

DR_1
02-23-2013, 05:24 PM
OK everyone knows I am a Heat hater, but come on, Chalmers does exactly what they want him to do, LeBron is basically their point guard. Chalmers is great at doing what they ask of him.

Out of these I went with Mo Williams, he was decent a couple years ago but he just doesn't seem like a good fit with this Jazz team.

And how is Lowry an option? :laugh2:

Guppyfighter
02-23-2013, 05:27 PM
If Chalmers wasn't horrible defensively and offensively I'd agree he is not terrible.

Hawkeye15
02-23-2013, 05:40 PM
statistically speaking, Knight, Felton, and J. Nelson have been pretty damn bad. But this is subjective, there are a handful of PG's that have a good amount of starts that just haven't played well.

KnicksorBust
02-23-2013, 05:43 PM
I'm okay with being the only one to pick Jeff Teague.

Minimal
02-23-2013, 05:58 PM
Chalmers plays in a system with 3 all stars, where he is limited to the things he can do.

He is a great 3pt shooter, he takes care of the ball well, he limited his dumb decision making, he is great defensively, clutchness flows in his veins. He is only behind Westbrook and Parker in +/-.

He is like Derek Fisher of Miami.

He has the worst stats of all this players, but that doesn't tell the true story.

Fresno
02-23-2013, 05:59 PM
i like how everyone is complaining how knight is a 2. hes been a 2 for like 10 games. why? because he was a ****** starting point

Knight had been in a PG by committe situation where he was sharing the job with Stuckey & Will Bynum.

Knight statistically was the better of the 3 but the Pistons had/have multiple ballhandlers.

ThaDubs
02-23-2013, 06:09 PM
MO WILL
HILL
FELTON
LOWRY

should be taking off the list, MO WILL wasn't avg 5ppg before he teamed up with BRON
G.HILL earned the short stint trust of POP to a certain degree(says a lot)
FELTON is balling the games I've watched, he same player basically at UNC/BOBCATS
same with LOWRY, he was balling in HOU when I peeped him out

but had those guys won 3-5rings they would be easily top 5 at they position, top 10 ever arguably

ring is the thing for ''greatness-top 10 alltime''

game is for the birds and bees,impact is via PER/WS%

Lol.

HouRealCoach
02-23-2013, 06:11 PM
Chalmers maybe... He really isn't bad though, he's very solid

Felton has been doing little to nothing

ThunderousDemon
02-23-2013, 06:13 PM
WTF! Why is Kemba there?

LionsFan..LOL
02-23-2013, 06:18 PM
Calderon has bumped him to the 2.

I know for a fact that the 4 times Detroit has played Orlando he was their starting PG. I believe for the vast majority of the season he's been starting at the 1 and Singler at the 2.
Yep. Suckey had a few starts at the 2 early on but that's it.

Nick O
02-23-2013, 06:20 PM
You should take this back too.

Yikes.

Ish Smith is absolutely terrible. He has no business being in the league. At least Mario can shoot. Ish can't do that. Let's not slander Mario like this. He does have a role, and he fills it much better than true scrubs like Ish ever could.

they would still be the 1 seed

ManRam
02-23-2013, 06:41 PM
they would still be the 1 seed

But they wouldn't be as good...

Ish sucks. Chalmers is superior in just about every aspect of the game.

Purple_n_Gold
02-23-2013, 06:46 PM
Kamba sucks.

Purple_n_Gold
02-23-2013, 06:46 PM
Charmers sucks

ILLUSIONIST^248
02-23-2013, 07:01 PM
For someone who doesn't get the ball 24/7, Chalmers is more than good. He's clutch as hell and can hit those threes. Fits right for the team.. It's not just a starting PG role, it's how the PG works with the system.

Chalmers sucks dick! Plain and simple.

BHF
02-23-2013, 07:05 PM
Jose Calderon

rocket
02-23-2013, 07:08 PM
Jose Calderon

:laugh:

Bob_at_york
02-23-2013, 07:08 PM
Jose Calderon

even with his defensive shortcomings he is NOT the worst.

BHF
02-23-2013, 07:10 PM
even with his defensive shortcomings he is NOT the worst.

i would take any of these guys on the list over Jose they all schooled him

Bob_at_york
02-23-2013, 07:14 PM
i would take any of these guys on the list over Jose they all schooled him

when has Collison schooled him? Calderon wins their head-to-head battles usually.

Edit: Actually quick correction, Collison had a couple of good games in his 1st season with the pacers. Still I think Calderon has out-down him h2h overall

Sactown
02-23-2013, 07:16 PM
I'm telling you guys, It's Isaiah Thomas.. and I'm a Kings fan
Dude averages 3.4 assists and is our primary ball handler.

Lord Leoshes
02-23-2013, 07:33 PM
Heat fan since 88, & I ave to go with Chalmers, cause he is to slow to stay in front of his man, he takes way too many risk every time he reaches in for the steal & misses (more time then not) which leaves our bigs in trouble, + he has way to much trouble finishing around the rim

When we drafted him I was picturing a Derik Harper type of player but boy I was wrong,

Alayla
02-23-2013, 07:39 PM
Why are Lowry or Walker even on this list? is the OP brain dead?

Shlumpledink
02-23-2013, 08:00 PM
Chris Duhon is the worst starting point guard I've seen, remember when the Lakers were actually starting him?

ThaDubs
02-23-2013, 08:08 PM
Chris Duhon is the worst starting point guard I've seen, remember when the Lakers were actually starting him?

Earl Clark is a better PG than Chris Duhon.

Hellcrooner
02-23-2013, 08:35 PM
Jose Calderon
:facepalm:

I was wondering when you would pop in and come with your ignorance and bias about this particular subject again.

soundjunkies2
02-23-2013, 09:48 PM
Tinsley is starting for Utah so that's my choice.

Greenmonster24
02-23-2013, 10:19 PM
Rondo look at Celtics record last 10 games before injury and record after. All he cares about is leading the league in assist and getting triple doubles not about what gets the team the win but more about his stats.

Alayla
02-23-2013, 10:23 PM
Rondo look at Celtics record last 10 games before injury and record after. All he cares about is leading the league in assist and getting triple doubles not about what gets the team the win but more about his stats.

Lol Pure Ignorance

hugepatsfan
02-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Rondo look at Celtics record last 10 games before injury and record after. All he cares about is leading the league in assist and getting triple doubles not about what gets the team the win but more about his stats.

He's not the worst PG in the NBA. Just stop.

BHF
02-23-2013, 11:25 PM
:facepalm:

I was wondering when you would pop in and come with your ignorance and bias about this particular subject again.

dont cry i only speak the truth he is the worst starting point guard in the league thx god he isn't on our team anymore :dance:

dashbillions
02-23-2013, 11:31 PM
Jose Calderon

I agree Jose Calderon does suck and was holding the Raptors back for years. Him and his dinosaur arms don't even know what defense is.

knicks=love
02-23-2013, 11:37 PM
Kyle Lowry is on the list but not felton? :rolleyes:

this, actually. felton isn't horrible, but he should be on this list before lowry IMO

justinnum1
02-23-2013, 11:41 PM
this, actually. felton isn't horrible, but he should be on this list before lowry IMO

Neither should be on the list.

ManRam
02-23-2013, 11:43 PM
The C's would be as good with Calderon as they'd be with Rondo.

:hide:

At least Calderon can score...


He's FAR from the worst. I'd actually say he's a top 10 PG :shrug:

BHF
02-23-2013, 11:50 PM
The C's would be as good with Calderon as they'd be with Rondo.

:hide:

At least Calderon can score...


He's FAR from the worst. I'd actually say he's a top 10 PG :shrug:

he can only score when his shot is on but when his shot isn't falling he is useless because he doesn't know how to make layups that guy is allergic to paint

ManRam
02-23-2013, 11:57 PM
he can only score when his shot is on but when his shot isn't falling he is useless because he doesn't know how to make layups that guy is allergic to paint

And Rondo isn't allergic to the paint? :laugh:

He's TERRIFIED of getting fouled, because he can't hit FTs. He'll get to the paint all day, but he rarely shoots/scores. Always kicks it out.

lakerboy
02-23-2013, 11:59 PM
Jameer Nelson. Steve Nash should make the worst 10 though.

allSUAVE
02-24-2013, 12:06 AM
brandon knight and kemba walker

mjqusoldier
02-24-2013, 12:09 AM
People saying Felton are nuts. He's a real good player haters

Blitzace137
02-24-2013, 12:16 AM
People saying Felton are nuts. He's a real good player haters

define good?

Hellcrooner
02-24-2013, 12:24 AM
The C's would be as good with Calderon as they'd be with Rondo.

:hide:

At least Calderon can score...


He's FAR from the worst. I'd actually say he's a top 10 PG :shrug:

thats going to far.

Top 15-18 is more accurate.

xxplayerxx23
02-24-2013, 12:24 AM
Nelson is still solid not great but solid
Lin is nowhere near the worst
Lowry lol top 10-12 range smh
Felton isn't the best but nowhere near te worst. Do t see a case for these being anywhere near the worst

xxplayerxx23
02-24-2013, 12:26 AM
Lowry is so underrated. His defense is top notch and he is explosive as can be only knock on him is his health. Also :laugh: at Nash being named

OceanSpray
02-24-2013, 12:55 AM
I'm surprised why most people voted for Chalmers. If you watched him play, he does exactly what he should do. He doesn't even handle the ball most of the time, what do you guys expect? He's knocking down threes and clutch as hell.. Remember game 4? Dude hit some clutch plays to seal the game.

Hawkeye15
02-24-2013, 01:14 AM
I'm surprised why most people voted for Chalmers. If you watched him play, he does exactly what he should do. He doesn't even handle the ball most of the time, what do you guys expect? He's knocking down threes and clutch as hell.. Remember game 4? Dude hit some clutch plays to seal the game.

Its why Fisher would have gotten a lot of votes a while back.

dalton749
02-24-2013, 01:16 AM
calderon on the celtics would probably be very little drop off from rondo. theyre a good enough defensive team to hide his deficencies and he would open up way more space for peirce and garnett to work because hes among the best 3 point shooters in the league while rondos the worst

iFYouSeekAmy
02-24-2013, 01:23 AM
I remember a similar thread a few years back and it was flooded with Chris Duhon responses

PleaseBeNice
02-24-2013, 02:50 AM
GOTTA BE Mo Williams, who does he start for??

heyman321
02-24-2013, 02:57 AM
People saying Felton are nuts. He's a real good player haters

He's average, but he's not the worst. But even Knicks fans hate him.

DumDum
02-24-2013, 03:14 AM
super Mario hit 10 threes in a game not to long ago. you guys only voted for him because lebron wasn't a part of this.

DumDum
02-24-2013, 03:15 AM
what are mo's stats?

tredigs
02-24-2013, 03:48 AM
There are multiple backup PG's better than Chalmers. He understands and plays his role pretty well, but individually the guy is not a good NBA point by any measure save for the fact that he can hit a 3. Lin and Felton are not good relative to the competition either; IMO the three worst starters.

LakersMaster24
02-24-2013, 04:37 AM
I guess its Chalmers. The guy is not that bad, he does his job but since the PG position is so deep he automatically is the odd man.

Bob_at_york
02-24-2013, 09:06 AM
he can only score when his shot is on but when his shot isn't falling he is useless because he doesn't know how to make layups that guy is allergic to paint

Jose has had one of the best shooting percentages among point guards. His shot was falling most of the time. Only problem was that he didn't shot enough.

mike_noodles
02-24-2013, 12:23 PM
Lowry or Chalmers b/c they aren't really playmakers.

Nice uneducated opinion. Have you watched Lowry play?

Kuya_Clive
02-24-2013, 01:16 PM
Nice uneducated opinion. Have you watched Lowry play?

Yea, Lowey has taken a backseat to Gay and Derozan when it comes to scoring. He's really upped his assists since the trade and become more of a playmaker for them without being ridiculously passive like when he was sharing time with Calderon.