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SLY WILLIAMS
02-21-2013, 12:13 PM
By Peter Botte / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 6:36 PM

Rick Nash didn’t accompany the Rangers to Ottawa for Thursday’s game against the Senators, and John Tortorella is calling upon his top forwards to step up their games in the injured winger’s absence.

“Everybody has injuries. We just have to play. Nash is a big part of our team and he’s been a very good player for our team. But he’s out,” Tortorella said after practice Wednesday in Greenburgh. “With Nash out or not, we have some other guys — Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan, a number of people, even on the back end — that need to play better.”

Tortorella calls Tuesday’s 3-1 home loss to Montreal “probably one of the worst hockey games I’ve been a part of, both teams.”

The coach added after reviewing video Wednesday that he’s “trying to look at it as half-full,” noting the Blueshirts had managed points in their previous five games (4-0-1) even though he doesn’t believe “we have a good portion of our team playing consistently, with pace.”

Nash, who leads the Rangers with 12 points and a plus-9, will sit for the second straight game Thursday night with an undisclosed injury. But the Rangers haven’t ruled out the star winger from rejoining them Saturday in Montreal.

Nash was driven into the boards by Boston’s Milan Lucic on Feb. 12, leading to speculation that he’s been dealing with a possible injury from that hit. He faced the Islanders on Thursday and Washington on Sunday, totaling a game-high eight shots against the Caps in more than 22 minutes. Nash also suffered a groin injury while playing in Switzerland during the lockout.

“(Tuesday) was an ugly game to watch and an ugly game to play,” Marian Gaborik said. “We missed (Nash), but it is what it is. Whoever is out there, we have to take the game to another level. I don’t know how long he’s going to be out, but we have to find a way to play without him.”

Gaborik took Nash’s place Tuesday on the right of Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan, whom Tortorella noted “have been really two of our most consistent players for quite a while here.”

Richards, who hasn’t scored a goal in 10games, skated between Callahan and Chris Kreider.

“We can’t just have one line going,” Tortorella said. “I thought Step and Hags have (played well). That’s great. Hags, I crawled all over him that we need him to add some secondary stuff to us, as far as scoring, and he’s done that.

“Now we have to get the primary (guys) going. In our thinking, we have to get more out of some other guys more consistently.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/torts-calls-blueshirts-step-ranger-rick-article-1.1269278?localLinksEnabled=false

metswon69
02-21-2013, 04:10 PM
The one thing i will say is that only the Rangers could add a perennial thirty goal scorer and take a step back offensively.

It just seems like they still have some continuity issues and i have zero idea what has happened to Richards in regards to goal scoring.

He is getting good ice time with quality offensive players and he certainly got over whatever hiccups he had with their offense at the end of last season.

Even Callahan hasn't seemed right offensively.

I guess couple those things with Nash still adjusting (and not scoring goals although he has helped Hagelin immensely) and no PP and it explains for their offensive issues.

SLY WILLIAMS
02-21-2013, 06:51 PM
The one thing i will say is that only the Rangers could add a perennial thirty goal scorer and take a step back offensively.

The NY Rangers Obtain 27 year old Wayne Gretzky

Here is the press conference.


Media: Will Wayne be the answer to your scoring woes?

Torts: Wayne brings some real good creativity but this is a team game. We need everyone to pitch in from Bickle to Boyle.

Media: Are you excited to have one of the greatest scorers in history?

Torts: Look guys we are certainly excited to have Wayne. He has shown he can make a difference. With that said he will have to earn his minutes like everyone else on the team.

Media: Earn his minutes? What do you mean?

Torts: This game is played on both ends. Will he commit to the defensive end of the ice? Will he block shots. I know these are not the flashy parts of the game but I'm confident Wayne will adjust just fine.

Media: Are you saying Wayne is not guaranteed first line minutes?

Torts: You will see Wayne on the first line at times but this is a team. We need everyone from the back end to the front to buy in to what we are trying to do here. Wayne can help us in several ways but we want to see him more aggressive on the side boards and behind the goal line fighting for possession of the puck.

Media: But he scored 40 goals and 109 points in 64 games last season....

Torts: That is all well and good but we are trying to win a Stanley Cup here. Last season is history. Frankly I think Wayne would tell you himself that he has to improve his defense.

Media: But he has won cups in 4 of the last 5 years.

Torts: And we expect Wayne to be part of the process here while we try to win the cup here. If he buys in to our system I like our chances.

bsi
02-21-2013, 07:08 PM
COME ON!!

You guys are crawling all over the wrong guys. Callahan had 30 goals last year, Kreider was supposed to be Nash version 2.0, Boyle is supposed to supply scoring from the third line, none of these guys has done anything productive on the scoresheet. Even though Torts likes the way Stepan is playing really he should be scoring more. None of those players are being hampered by Torts, Gaborik had 41 goals last year and Callahan had 30, nothing stopped them from scoring last year why should this be different. It's up to the players if they wanna give it their all every shift or just wait for Nash and Hagelin to score because that's what I'm seeing here now, everyone is waiting for someone else to score.

SLY WILLIAMS
02-21-2013, 07:14 PM
COME ON!!

You guys are crawling all over the wrong guys. Callahan had 30 goals last year, Kreider was supposed to be Nash version 2.0, Boyle is supposed to supply scoring from the third line, none of these guys has done anything productive on the scoresheet. Even though Torts likes the way Stepan is playing really he should be scoring more. None of those players are being hampered by Torts, Gaborik had 41 goals last year and Callahan had 30, nothing stopped them from scoring last year why should this be different. It's up to the players if they wanna give it their all every shift or just wait for Nash and Hagelin to score because that's what I'm seeing here now, everyone is waiting for someone else to score.

BSI,

I was just playing around but if it is all on the players and Torts never has to share in the responsibility of scoring woes or losses than why do we need Torts at all? Why have a coach? Why not just pick one of the players dad's to change lines?

bsi
02-21-2013, 08:13 PM
BSI,

I was just playing around but if it is all on the players and Torts never has to share in the responsibility of scoring woes or losses than why do we need Torts at all? Why have a coach? Why not just pick one of the players dad's to change lines?

Ya but if they had success under this system before and this team has been majorly successful as well as the Tampa Bay Lightning were under this coach, and we're employing the same system under the same coach wouldn't it have to be on the players if they struggle to score? I could understand if the coach changed something up, but Callahan has had multiple successful years under this current coach, the system hasn't changed yet he doesn't produce, it's on him to be better. I love the way he plays but he's supposed to be one of our top players, he has to find a way to score. I find that everyone feels as though Nash and Gaborik are gonna score and are laying back waiting for it to happen.

Also we didn't have Nash last year and all of a sudden for some reason everyone is bummed out because he's hurt, he was supposed to be a bonus with regards to scoring, we should be as good as we were last year without him. Our prospects plus Halpern. Pyatt and Asham were supposed to fill in for Dubinsky, Prust and Anisimov, but that hasn't happened either as Kreider has been on another planet and Miller had one good game and the rest have been so so. Can we really hang this on the coach? His system works when everyone works under the system as they say "the right way" if there ever was a time that this team was doing the exact opposite of this it was against Montreal.

SLY WILLIAMS
02-21-2013, 08:18 PM
He did win in Tampa. He also got fired in Tampa.

I'm not blaming Torts for everything but once again I will ask if he holds no absolutely no responsibility or accountability for any results on the ice and our failures are only on the players than why even have him?

SLY WILLIAMS
02-22-2013, 12:02 AM
BSI,

I know you are a fan of Torts. I do not want you to think I dislike Torts personally and I definitely do not want you to take my Torts joke personally. I just have high hopes for this team and our players. I would like to see a more open attack but that is just an issue of entertainment for me. I'm not against Torts and I remain very hopeful. :)

bsi
02-22-2013, 12:43 AM
BSI,

I know you are a fan of Torts. I do not want you to think I dislike Torts personally and I definitely do not want you to take my Torts joke personally. I just have high hopes for this team and our players. I would like to see a more open attack but that is just an issue of entertainment for me. I'm not against Torts and I remain very hopeful. :)

I'm not a fan of Torts, I just don't think the teams problems are with him really, I really don't care who coaches but I just think the blame should be put where it belongs is all. I think Tortorella has done everything he can to get things going here, he's benched players, called up players, moved the lines around etc, I really think he's done everything he can and that the players have to pick it up and get going like they did last year. We have all the talent we need up front, we might need another D man but we should be a cup contender but the players need to be better if we're gonna even make the playoffs. As I said before I don't care who coaches but I don't think he's the problem here, we have too many 30+ goal scorers scoring less than they should be by now. Tortorella did a lot more with a lot less here in NY, it's up to the players to decide if they are contenders or pretenders.

I realize Tortorella got fired in Tampa but what happened to them after that? They didn't get any better after he left, in fact they may have gotten worse under Melrose so again it may have been easiest to fire the coach but that wasn't the problem then either.
Having said all that I think we'll be better, but our big guys have to be our big guys in order for that to happen, there's no way Pyatt should be crawling up and down the top two lines here, he was brought here to be a 3rd -4th line guy. Kreider, Callahan, Boyle, DelZotto, and even Gaborik and Richards to a certain extent have to be better. They will get it done, hopefully it's not too late when they do.

J4KOP99
02-22-2013, 03:44 AM
The NY Rangers Obtain 27 year old Wayne Gretzky

Here is the press conference.

lol

metswon69
02-22-2013, 03:55 AM
The NY Rangers Obtain 27 year old Wayne Gretzky

Here is the press conference.

Sounds like Torts to a T..

metswon69
02-22-2013, 08:47 AM
Having said all that I think we'll be better, but our big guys have to be our big guys in order for that to happen, there's no way Pyatt should be crawling up and down the top two lines here, he was brought here to be a 3rd -4th line guy. Kreider, Callahan, Boyle, DelZotto, and even Gaborik and Richards to a certain extent have to be better. They will get it done, hopefully it's not too late when they do.

That's my point, their more distinguished offensive guys have to step up because the secondary scoring aside from Hagelin (who we can't even call secondary scoring with 6 goals) and tertiary scoring is not coming from guys like Pyatt, Boyle, Miller, Halpern, Kreider etc etc.

Guys like Richards, Del Zotto, Gaborik, Callahan, and even Nash to some extent have to be more effective offensively because those are the guys they pay to lean on offensively (Del Zotto specifically from the defensive end)

This is a different team from last year without question but Dubinsky, Prust, Anisimov, Fedotenko, etc weren't offensive juggernauts that should be this difficult to replace.

metswon69
02-22-2013, 10:37 AM
I've been more impressed with the defense and how well that's transitioned with newer parts but the offense still just looks stagnant on all levels aside from Hagelin and Gaborik (even he seemed a tad bit timid offensively).

They need to get this PP working somehow, i really hope Sather has something on the horizon.

This team has a very short window with their cap situation coming up in the next couple of seasons and all these guys who will be looking for raises.

nyr2002nyr
02-22-2013, 11:13 AM
I've been more impressed with the defense and how well that's transitioned with newer parts but the offense still just looks stagnant on all levels aside from Hagelin and Gaborik (even he seemed a tad bit timid offensively).

They need to get this PP working somehow, i really hope Sather has something on the horizon.

This team has a very short window with their cap situation coming up in the next couple of seasons and all these guys who will be looking for raises.


I was thinking the same thing about them wanting raises but then it hit me. If they keep playing like this they wont be getting any.

J4KOP99
02-22-2013, 12:48 PM
Urge harder, John... Urge harder.