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RocketLoc80
02-20-2013, 07:25 AM
If let`s say Derrick Rose comes back to the Bulls this year do the upset the Heat in the playoffs?

JNoel
02-20-2013, 07:29 AM
Nope. Bulls won't be relevant till at least next year imo.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 07:37 AM
did u watch the 2011 conference finals?...and not only that lebron just gets better every year.....even though im a heat fan i have many reasons why.....come crunch time..the bulls will rely on rose....they need another superstar like a dwight howard or a carmelo anthony type of player....cuz right now....the pacers are knocking on the door...with george, west, hibbert, and granger about to return

LeperMessiah
02-20-2013, 07:39 AM
No

DumDum
02-20-2013, 07:51 AM
:down:

Bullsfan22
02-20-2013, 08:11 AM
I don't think the Bulls have enough talent to beat the heat in a seven game series. I also don't want Rose coming back feeling like he has to be superman.

sventhedog
02-20-2013, 09:11 AM
the championship teams in the past decade had multiple superstars in their team who can create their own shot. defense wins championships but nobody said you can win without scoring.
when defense gets better, you need guys who can score on their own which will either get you a basket or setup your offense for your teamates.

bulls have no one who fits that bill on the bulls team other than rose. deng is the closest thing they have. while robinson and boozer can score, their size really becomes a liability.

so i don't think they can beat the heat.

allSUAVE
02-20-2013, 09:14 AM
Hell no

allSUAVE
02-20-2013, 09:24 AM
Lebron is a misson ..a missle flying past everybody

Marlin234
02-20-2013, 09:27 AM
If let`s say Derrick Rose comes back to the Bulls this year do the upset the Heat in the playoffs?

As long as the HEAT have Mario Chalmers, No the Bulls do not beat the HEAT

detzfish
02-20-2013, 09:29 AM
Lol at people saying look what happened 2 years ago. But seriously idk if the bulls would win but I believe it would go 7 games. The bulls are better then they were 2 years ago, and the heat are about the same. They added Allen but wade has dropped production a little.

My money would say heat, but I wouldn't be 100% confident I wouldn't be losing it

ChitownSports16
02-20-2013, 09:36 AM
I agree 100% here. ^^^ dont think we can beat them yet but i bet we go 7.

Ya wanna look 2 years back is a joke. Didn't know James was the player in the NBA that got better every year.

1225
02-20-2013, 09:43 AM
If let`s say Derrick Rose comes back to the Bulls this year do the upset the Heat in the playoffs?

Better question is, when Danny Granger comes back...

Davidgta1
02-20-2013, 09:43 AM
Have to see how his knee holds up hopefully he comes back this season an comes back to his old form it would be a shame if he wasn't the same anymore.

Davidgta1
02-20-2013, 09:46 AM
I think the pacers have a real shot at beating the heat

benzni
02-20-2013, 10:14 AM
With Rose being out the whole season, I would say no. A healthy Rose all season long could make a 6 or 7 game series

pacofunk64
02-20-2013, 10:31 AM
Nope...not this year...not next year.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-20-2013, 10:41 AM
did u watch the 2011 conference finals?...and not only that lebron just gets better every year.....even though im a heat fan i have many reasons why.....come crunch time..the bulls will rely on rose....they need another superstar like a dwight howard or a carmelo anthony type of player....cuz right now....the pacers are knocking on the door...with george, west, hibbert, and granger about to return

While I agree that they will not beat the Heat if they do meet in the Playoffs and Rose is back, I think using the "The Heat beat them in 2011, so of course they would now" argument is just stupid. Both teams have different personnel since then, some players have progressed/regressed, etc. I do belive all the games would be very close like it was in 2011, however to expect the same thing now just because it happened 2 years ago is asinine. I do like how you say the Bulls need another superstar, and then go say the Pacers are knocking on the door with George, West, Hibbert, and Granger. Pacers without Granger are barely just as good as the Bulls without Rose.

SportsFanatic10
02-20-2013, 10:46 AM
Lol at people saying look what happened 2 years ago. But seriously idk if the bulls would win but I believe it would go 7 games. The bulls are better then they were 2 years ago, and the heat are about the same. They added Allen but wade has dropped production a little.

My money would say heat, but I wouldn't be 100% confident I wouldn't be losing it

I laugh every time I see someone say this. It's like nobody realizes that Wade had offseason knee surgery and that the timeline for his full recovery was until the allstar break as in right now. Wade is basically just getting back to full strength now just like his doctors predicted, he's gonna have a strong ending to this season just watch. Even in the last few weeks you could tell he's regained most of his explosion, where as earlier in the season it just wasn't there yet, and it wasn't supposed to be either. Even so, his numbers up until this point are only down slightly due to a career low in FGAs and minutes, as well as a few stinkers that dragged his averages down. Get ready to be surprised over the next 32 games plus playoffs...

As for the Bulls with Rose, he'd definitely have to be 100% and that still won't be enough to push it past 6 games imo, the Heat have an extra gear they can hit for the playoffs and the only teams in the league that can come close to matching it is the Thunder and just maybe the Spurs and Clippers.

edit: also while the Bulls have lost some of there depth like Asik, the Heat have more then just Allen since then. In that series it was basically the big 3 and a banged up Miller and Haslem along with Chalmers as the only support. Mike Bibby was starting at point guard then LOL, now Miami has more around the big 3 such as Battier and Cole gives us some good defensive minutes at PG now besides just Allen.

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 11:52 AM
If he returns to 100% by the playoffs they have a chance. Anything less than 100%; no.

todu82
02-20-2013, 11:58 AM
It would be a close series but I think the Heat will win.

Lo Porto
02-20-2013, 12:12 PM
The Heat control their destiny. We all know they are built to contend during playoff basketball. They have the role players to support the 2 great players and then the 1 mega star. They Heat are almost as good in terms of role players as the 90's Bulls teams. Not as good as the supporting cast MJ had, but almost.

I Rock Shaqs
02-20-2013, 12:13 PM
If let`s say Derrick Rose comes back to the Bulls this year do the upset the Heat in the playoffs?

Why even bother they didn't when Rose was healthy so why would they when he isn't? Oh yeah Jimmy Butler.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 12:16 PM
While I agree that they will not beat the Heat if they do meet in the Playoffs and Rose is back, I think using the "The Heat beat them in 2011, so of course they would now" argument is just stupid. Both teams have different personnel since then, some players have progressed/regressed, etc. I do belive all the games would be very close like it was in 2011, however to expect the same thing now just because it happened 2 years ago is asinine. I do like how you say the Bulls need another superstar, and then go say the Pacers are knocking on the door with George, West, Hibbert, and Granger. Pacers without Granger are barely just as good as the Bulls without Rose.

just to let you know....defense wins games....u don't remember the numbers rose had against lebron......he struggled big time...and just to elaborate on that.....remember when the heat face the thunder....durant was struggling while james was covering him.....go look at the stats....im tellin' you right now...lebron is on a different planet....as for the pacers....are you kidding me.....they are 3rd place in the eastern conference and granger didn't play yet.......paul george is starting to become a scary player......and plus they have more depth than the bulls and if u didn't know...the pacers are one of the best defensive teams in the nba.....go looking at the standings....the pacers are knocking on the door....i know why ur debating on this...ur from chicago...thats why

mjm07
02-20-2013, 12:28 PM
Pacers, Knicks, Bulls, & Celtics ( in that order ) have a shot to beat the HEAT in the playoffs. However, the HEAT should very well beat those teams. So, to answer the OP's question. " Not likely. "

Hawkize31
02-20-2013, 12:35 PM
Lol at people saying look what happened 2 years ago. But seriously idk if the bulls would win but I believe it would go 7 games. The bulls are better then they were 2 years ago, and the heat are about the same.. They added Allen but wade has dropped production a little.

My money would say heat, but I wouldn't be 100% confident I wouldn't be losing it

Thy may be mostly the same group of players, but to say the Heat haven't gotten any better in 2 years is just ignorant. Lebron has gotten better and the team has had more time to mesh. They won a title in that timeframe.

Captain Moroni
02-20-2013, 12:50 PM
I do not believe even with Rose that the Bulls can knock off Miami.

If healthy, Knicks and Pacers have the best shot. Its all about matchups and both these teams match up with the Heat better. As a knicks fan, the one team i respect the most against us, is Chicago. The Bulls match up very well against us.

kobe4thewinbang
02-20-2013, 12:52 PM
Heat in 5. If Chi-Town gets a legitimate 2nd option, maybe they take Miami to 7 games.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-20-2013, 01:06 PM
just to let you know....defense wins games....u don't remember the numbers rose had against lebron......he struggled big time...and just to elaborate on that.....remember when the heat face the thunder....durant was struggling while james was covering him.....go look at the stats....im tellin' you right now...lebron is on a different planet....as for the pacers....are you kidding me.....they are 3rd place in the eastern conference and granger didn't play yet.......paul george is starting to become a scary player......and plus they have more depth than the bulls and if u didn't know...the pacers are one of the best defensive teams in the nba.....go looking at the standings....the pacers are knocking on the door....i know why ur debating on this...ur from chicago...thats why

Did you even read what I said? Of course you didn't, look at the way you ****in type.

I'm not debating who will win with you if you read my post. I know the Heat will most likely win. I know Lebron is able to lock people down. I know defense wins games. As you said, I'm a Bulls fan (don't know why you're trying to preach the Pacers Defense to me). My point is that your reasoning of that it happened in 2011, so it will definitely happen again is just stupid reasoning. It would happen because the Heat are playing better ball. Lebron's gotten better, but so has Noah, Taj, Butler, Deng too since 2011. Both teams have different role players now. That's my reasoning, is that it wouldn't be the same series, so to expect the same result just because of what happened in 2011 is stupid.

If we go by the reasoning of that since it happened in 2011, so it will happen now, that means the Mavs would beat the Heat in a 7 game series, because "it happened in 2011."

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 01:08 PM
I do not believe even with Rose that the Bulls can knock off Miami.

If healthy, Knicks and Pacers have the best shot. Its all about matchups and both these teams match up with the Heat better. As a knicks fan, the one team i respect the most against us, is Chicago. The Bulls match up very well against us.
knicks have been awful recently. Only teams in the east with a chance to beat miami are Chicago and indy imo.

Krizzle88
02-20-2013, 01:10 PM
I say No but they'd give Miami everything they have, it could go 7 games

Krizzle88
02-20-2013, 01:11 PM
I think the pacers have a real shot at beating the heat

We'll see if Granger can come back first

Krizzle88
02-20-2013, 01:12 PM
Hell no

A knicks fan saying Hell No? nice sig by the way you trying to get started in gay porn?

ManRam
02-20-2013, 01:14 PM
Maybe, maybe not.

That's my final answer!

SportsFanatic10
02-20-2013, 01:15 PM
I think the pacers have a real shot at beating the heat

they're one of the few teams in the east with an outside chance. however i still doubt it, they couldn't get it done when the heat were missing bosh and wade was playing with a bad knee last year. now they've lost barbosa and collison, and even though george has taken the next step and is becoming a great player, hibbert doesn't seem to be improving. i just don't think they have quite enough, but they do match up well so you never know. one thing i like about it is they play a style that gets under the opponents skin, and you really don't wanna make lebron and wade angry.

gotoHcarolina52
02-20-2013, 01:27 PM
They'd put up a valiant fight and win a game or maybe even two. But that's about it.

Pierzynski4Prez
02-20-2013, 01:28 PM
Slim chances at that.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
02-20-2013, 01:33 PM
I think they could push it to 7 and possibly pull off the upset but more than likely the Heat would win the series.

Ezekial
02-20-2013, 01:37 PM
According to some poeple.

The same team should win every year.

Those people are ********.

Cubby
02-20-2013, 02:20 PM
The Heat control their destiny. We all know they are built to contend during playoff basketball. They have the role players to support the 2 great players and then the 1 mega star. They Heat are almost as good in terms of role players as the 90's Bulls teams. Not as good as the supporting cast MJ had, but almost.

Oh stop it. Wade is a better player than Pippen first of all and Bosh is pretty damn good himself.

Cubby
02-20-2013, 02:24 PM
And to answer the question: maybe, maybe not. That depends on how Rose returns. If he is around 100% by the times playoffs roll around I don't see how the possibility isn't there.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 02:29 PM
Oh stop it. Wade is a better player than Pippen first of all and Bosh is pretty damn good himself.

Eh, the Heat of better top talent, but the Bulls had much better coaching and the talent was more balanced, but the Heat are definitely more top heavy.

Also, I don't think they can, unless Rose is about 110% and they've already worked him and and rid themselves of the rust.

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 02:32 PM
I love how everyone is expecting an AP recovery for anyone coming back from an acl tear. The Rose we saw during his MVP year probably won't be seen again until next season, and the Bulls knew that, which is why they let some of their bench go and saved some money. They are not contending this year.

Cubby
02-20-2013, 02:37 PM
Eh, the Heat of better top talent, but the Bulls had much better coaching and the talent was more balanced, but the Heat are definitely more top heavy.

Also, I don't think they can, unless Rose is about 110% and they've already worked him and and rid themselves of the rust.

Well that's what I meant. LeBron has had more help with the scoring load than MJ ever did.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 02:40 PM
Well that's what I meant. LeBron has had more help with the scoring load than MJ ever did.

Yeah he definitely does, but he doesn't nearly have the defensive help. Pippen was arguably the best wing defender on the team, and that was equally matched by Dennis Rodman's impact in the paint.

But yes, I think Lebron has more help offensively especially with all the spot up shooters.

Cubby
02-20-2013, 02:41 PM
I love how everyone is expecting an AP recovery for anyone coming back from an acl tear. The Rose we saw during his MVP year probably won't be seen again until next season, and the Bulls knew that, which is why they let some of their bench go and saved some money. They are not contending this year.

Nobody expects him to come back right away and be himself. After about a month and a half of so when he's playing full minutes (hopefully), I really don't see why he can't be close to where he once was.

And the bench is better this year. I don't care what anyone says about them being "cheap" or "saving money." Our guys have been more productive offensively than they ever were last year or the year before and they all cost less. Plus the defense hasn't taken much of a hit either (mainly due to Thibs's system, but still).

To say we aren't competing when we don't even know how Rose will return is COMPLETELY premature.

SteBO
02-20-2013, 02:43 PM
I've always been high on the Bulls since Rose came into the league, and I do think they'll definitely challenge the Heat with an "outside" chance of winning even w/ out Rose, but I think he'll need to be 100% for Chicago to be a "definitive" threat. They do match up well with Miami though....

Cubby
02-20-2013, 02:44 PM
Yeah he definitely does, but he doesn't nearly have the defensive help. Pippen was arguably the best wing defender on the team, and that was equally matched by Dennis Rodman's impact in the paint.

But yes, I think Lebron has more help offensively especially with all the spot up shooters.

LeBron and Wade are still great defenders in their own right. Not on the level of Pippen obviously, but they're both superior all around players.

Rodman was just a freak. There's nobody in the league like him today.

I just think in the end with how good the Heat are defensively (not on the 90's Bulls level of course), the difference is lesser on that end than that of the differences on offense. Just my opinion.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 02:49 PM
LeBron and Wade are still great defenders in their own right. Not on the level of Pippen obviously, but they're both superior all around players.

Rodman was just a freak. There's nobody in the league like him today.

I just think in the end with how good the Heat are defensively (not on the 90's Bulls level of course), the difference is lesser on that end than that of the differences on offense. Just my opinion.

I think the bulls style fit each other, the Heat's doesn't unless they're on a fastbreak. They have two ball dominant players and only one ball. I think the Bulls all around had a better team, but the Heat just have more superstar talent, although one of their stars is on the decline in Wade.

I think it's preference, the talent is close, but I wouldn't say you're wrong for picking the Heats supporting cast.

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 02:54 PM
Nobody expects him to come back right away and be himself. After about a month and a half of so when he's playing full minutes (hopefully), I really don't see why he can't be close to where he once was.

And the bench is better this year. I don't care what anyone says about them being "cheap" or "saving money." Our guys have been more productive offensively than they ever were last year or the year before and they all cost less. Plus the defense hasn't taken much of a hit either (mainly due to Thibs's system, but still).

To say we aren't competing when we don't even know how Rose will return is COMPLETELY premature.

Its my opinion. I don't think he will be the same player this year, not enough time. If he proves me wrong, great. I still don't think they have enough to beat the Heat regardless.

AntiG
02-20-2013, 03:04 PM
lol no

IKnowHoops
02-20-2013, 03:07 PM
Well that's what I meant. LeBron has had more help with the scoring load than MJ ever did.

MJ got more rebounding help, more interior defensive help, better coaching, and better 3pt shooting. The bulls teams were built more like oklahoma. Big, and deep. The Heat have 3 very talented players and no depth.

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 03:10 PM
MJ got more rebounding help, more interior defensive help, better coaching, and better 3pt shooting. The bulls teams were built more like oklahoma. Big, and deep. The Heat have 3 very talented players and no depth.

quiet with that nonsense. This forum, and most average fans, thinks LeBron has more help than anyone in the league.

They are top heavy, with meh role players everywhere else. But giving LeBron Wade and Bosh is exponentially better than anything he had in Cleveland. Its funny, people totally ignore that Duncan has played with 3 all stars, and a great supporting cast, or that Kobe has continually had top 3-4 big men on his runs, or that Magic and Bird played with multiple HOF'ers, ,and just go after Bron for actually having some all star talent on his team. You know, just like EVERY OTHER WINNING STAR IN HISTORY.

Oh, but he went and got it. Somehow, that makes it not as valid as if he was actually brought into a franchise that wasn't inept and didn't give it to him, like the others.

abe_froman
02-20-2013, 03:17 PM
as much as i'd love it i'd have to say no,i think we need at least one more star player to do that

Sactown
02-20-2013, 03:17 PM
quiet with that nonsense. This forum, and most average fans, thinks LeBron has more help than anyone in the league.

They are top heavy, with meh role players everywhere else. But giving LeBron Wade and Bosh is exponentially better than anything he had in Cleveland. Its funny, people totally ignore that Duncan has played with 3 all stars, and a great supporting cast, or that Kobe has continually had top 3-4 big men on his runs, or that Magic and Bird played with multiple HOF'ers, ,and just go after Bron for actually having some all star talent on his team. You know, just like EVERY OTHER WINNING STAR IN HISTORY.

Oh, but he went and got it. Somehow, that makes it not as valid as if he was actually brought into a franchise that wasn't inept and didn't give it to him, like the others.

I actually believe OKC has a more talented team, I think they have all the pieces and great depth. I think they have a horrible X and O's coach, but so does the Heat.

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 03:20 PM
I actually believe OKC has a more talented team, I think they have all the pieces and great depth. I think they have a horrible X and O's coach, but so does the Heat.

The Heat also have the better player, and that makes a difference when it all boils down. OKC has a much more talented team up and down the roster.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 03:23 PM
The Heat also have the better player, and that makes a difference when it all boils down. OKC has a much more talented team up and down the roster.

I agree, but I don't think the difference between Lebron and Durant is any greater than the difference between OKC's overall talent and Miami's. I think if OKC had better coaching they could beat Miami in 7, and losing in 5 games is just inexcusable.

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 03:28 PM
I agree, but I don't think the difference between Lebron and Durant is any greater than the difference between OKC's overall talent and Miami's. I think if OKC had better coaching they could beat Miami in 7, and losing in 5 games is just inexcusable.

Here is my take. When you have 2 coaches with poor X's and O's, the team that has the better coach on the floor wins. LeBron is the best creator of either team. Durant runs sets and has a PG who tries to take over too much. Hence why the Heat are going to win that series better than half the time. They have the better coach on the floor.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 03:29 PM
Here is my take. When you have 2 coaches with poor X's and O's, the team that has the better coach on the floor wins. LeBron is the best creator of either team. Durant runs sets and has a PG who tries to take over too much. Hence why the Heat are going to win that series better than half the time. They have the better coach on the floor.

I agree, but to lose in 5?? that's just embarrassing..

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 03:30 PM
I agree, but to lose in 5?? that's just embarrassing..

They weren't ready. That will change the next time around. Its a process.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 03:33 PM
They weren't ready. That will change the next time around. Its a process.

Winning 1 game is still bad, and we'll see.

bbcmillionaire
02-20-2013, 03:36 PM
i say....yes lol suck it

DaBUU
02-20-2013, 03:40 PM
The Bulls FO needs to realize we need another star to beat Lebron, he's that good. Entire organizations have to focus their energy on stopping him. I know the Bulls FO realizes they need to be economically sound and to surround Derrick with quality players that can play off of what he does, but I don't know how serious they are about adding another star that can score all on his own. Adding that other star would need to be a bold move, they normally don't do bold. I'm afraid they think this current path they're on with, with a little luck in regards to health, can overcome Lebron.

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 04:04 PM
The Bulls FO needs to realize we need another star to beat Lebron, he's that good. Entire organizations have to focus their energy on stopping him. I know the Bulls FO realizes they need to be economically sound and to surround Derrick with quality players that can play off of what he does, but I don't know how serious they are about adding another star that can score all on his own. Adding that other star would need to be a bold move, they normally don't do bold. I'm afraid they think this current path they're on with, with a little luck in regards to health, can overcome Lebron.

I dont even think its another star you need, just a solid #2 that can create their own shot. Someone like an oj mayo. I really think a guy like gallinari would be the perfect #2 for the bulls.

Muttman73
02-20-2013, 04:25 PM
Probably not, but they have a shot at it...

Last time the Heat got all the breaks and the Bulls kind of just choked it away

TopsyTurvy
02-20-2013, 04:55 PM
The Bulls do not beat the Heat in a seven game series.

The series will be competitive if the Bulls are healthy, but they lack the offensive production to trade points with the Heat. The Bulls may win a couple of games off of dominating the boards and a good performance from Noah or Boozer (whoever Bosh is not guarding), but the production coming from the front court would have to be consistently spectacular for the Bulls to win the series.

Cool007
02-20-2013, 05:01 PM
As a Bulls fan, I just don't think Bulls can beat the Heat in a 7-game series.

I think we need to wait until D-Rose actually gets back and plays for atleast a week or two and see how he is playing before anything. If D-Rose is not even 70-80% of himself then I don't even think Bulls can get to 2nd round, let alone face Heat in the ECF or something.

Miami is the team to beat until proven otherwise. With Rose, Bulls should be the 2nd best team after them but it all depends on how Rose actually plays.

AIRMAR72
02-20-2013, 05:42 PM
the way how bron is playing this yr I doubt the bull could pull off beating the heat with rose in or out of the line-up rose would NEVER be the player that we all withness in his early yrs in the league coming back from type of knee injury and I DONT think he deserve to be MVP the season handed him the award

DaBUU
02-20-2013, 06:40 PM
the way how bron is playing this yr I doubt the bull could pull off beating the heat with rose in or out of the line-up rose would NEVER be the player that we all withness in his early yrs in the league coming back from type of knee injury and I DONT think he deserve to be MVP the season handed him the award

:confused:

DR_1
02-20-2013, 06:43 PM
Some truly idiotic posts in this thread, yes of course they could. The Bulls only lost those games due to a few bad possessions two years ago and they have only gotten better since.

fin_frenzy_84
02-20-2013, 06:44 PM
did u watch the 2011 conference finals?...and not only that lebron just gets better every year.....even though im a heat fan i have many reasons why.....come crunch time..the bulls will rely on rose....they need another superstar like a dwight howard or a carmelo anthony type of player....cuz right now....the pacers are knocking on the door...with george, west, hibbert, and granger about to return

People always bring up the 2011 ECF! We have a different team as well as the heat! We actually have scorers at the 2 guard now. Also better back up point guards that can run the offense. Im not saying our 2 guards are superstars but as for scoring Rip, Marco > Bogans, Brewer

BULLSFAN0810
02-20-2013, 06:45 PM
did u watch the 2011 conference finals?...and not only that lebron just gets better every year.....even though im a heat fan i have many reasons why.....come crunch time..the bulls will rely on rose....they need another superstar like a dwight howard or a carmelo anthony type of player....cuz right now....the pacers are knocking on the door...with george, west, hibbert, and granger about to return

agree. i hate to admit it. the bulls are too cheap. were in a new era. stars want to be the man but they dont want to be stranded carrying sub par players while other teams stock up. If i was Rose id complain to get a stacked team where im the man but,the team is too good even if im not on it...ie the kings in the early 2000s.

effen5
02-20-2013, 08:52 PM
A healthy Bulls or a healthy Pacers team would have the best shot in beating the Heat.

fin_frenzy_84
02-20-2013, 09:37 PM
A healthy Bulls or a healthy Pacers team would have the best shot in beating the Heat.

I agree

JordansBulls
03-04-2013, 10:26 PM
Not unless the frontcourt absolutely dominates.

garyraymond23
03-04-2013, 10:28 PM
Not unless the frontcourt absolutely dominates.

Yep, Boozer will actually have to step up for once and Deng/Butler will have to do an exceptional job defensively at hindering Lebron.

Sactown
03-05-2013, 02:49 AM
Absolutely not, there is going to be some chemistry issues when Rose comes back, and he probably won't be 100%, while Miami is rolling and playing their best basketball...

OceanSpray
03-05-2013, 02:52 AM
I'm not sure the Bulls can beat the Pacers even with a healthy Rose.. Let's face it, James and Wade make a fool out of Rose every time. He's too inconsistent and gets nervous when playing against them. We really need to stop with these "If Rose was healthy, Heat would lose" garbage. Rose being healthy isn't half the player LeBron is.

DumDum
03-05-2013, 04:05 AM
This thread should be closed. Rose is not going be an Allstar let alone elite player for two yrs. the bulls couldn't beat lebron when he was on the cavs. Now he's playing out his mind the rest of the league has to catch up

rockbottom2010
03-05-2013, 04:15 AM
did u watch the 2011 conference finals?...and not only that lebron just gets better every year.....even though im a heat fan i have many reasons why.....come crunch time..the bulls will rely on rose....they need another superstar like a dwight howard or a carmelo anthony type of player....cuz right now....the pacers are knocking on the door...with george, west, hibbert, and granger about to return

wasn't i right?

naps
03-05-2013, 04:17 AM
Absolutely NOT. They need another superstar with this current team and the process of building chemistry which should take at least a year.

AnthonyTyrael
03-05-2013, 05:09 AM
They'll never beat them in a series with at least Bron and Wade healthy. With Rose, without Rose, doesn't matter one bit.

DumDum
03-05-2013, 05:16 AM
I think the pacers have a real shot at beating the heat

What do the pacers have anything to do with rosť coming back or not

HowFit
03-05-2013, 05:35 AM
No...

Ty_Lawson
03-05-2013, 06:14 AM
it all depends on how good he will be when he is back...if he is on his mvp year lvl they could go 6-7 games,if noah keeps playing like he does now,boozer and deng improve(boozer form the start of this season...),and they make good rotations(they will have like 4 PGs when rose is back),i think they could beat the heat in 7 games if they're lucky enough...there are teams in the PO that can beat the heat,but thats tough to do 4 times in 7 games,to do that you either need to be reaaaaalllyyyyy lucky or you need some heat players to get injured..
i really think that teams that have best chances of doing it are :Pacers,Memphis,Denver and Boston(just because they have biggest heart in this league!!they could even play vs Dream Team in the PO and would take atleast 1 game...).

someone would say OKC,but we saw what happened last year and they had Harden...if they made a trade for Rondo(rondo-westbrook) i could see them winning it all,but with west...idk..
and miami is too athletic for SAS(if they even get to the finals,just look at some past years POs)

FreakaNashur
03-05-2013, 04:43 PM
Bulls need another superstar and get rid of Boozer

72 Wins
03-05-2013, 05:30 PM
If Rose comes back, I think we can beat any team in the East except for the Heat. Rose won't be 100% and secondly, even if he is... he'll get locked down with no legit #2 option when we need it. I think we can beat any other team in the East though with Rose. I'm not scared of the Pacers after we nearly beat them without 4 of our key players on Sunday.

superior
03-05-2013, 05:57 PM
why do people keep saying look what happened 2 years ago? lol noah is MUCH better on offense and slightly better on defense than 2 years ago, boozer is playing twice as good this year than 2 years ago, jimmy butler is MUCH better than brewer, kirk and nate are much better than watson and the turd, bellinelli and rip are MUCH MUCH better than bogans, the only decrease was losing asik but that just gives more minutes to gibson.....

if rose comes back at least 85%, youre out of your minds if you think the bulls dont have a chance, you guys act like they manhandled us that series....we spanked their *** in game 1 then the next 3 games were decided in the final 2 minutes....and i wont even mention how the refs were suckin lebron and wades dick....does anybody remeber wades 4 point play in a critical situation that was such a crock of **** that they wouldnt even show the replay??? i hope evrybody keeps sleepin on the bulls, it will be that much sweeter when we win

SwatTeam
03-05-2013, 06:04 PM
You're right its not 2011 guys. You can't compare those two teams to this years version. Heat would sweep their @$$es now. Hahaha is that different enough?

edit: Seriously though, why are we getting into hypothetical questions relating to the heat? I mean we don't know if Rose is even going to come back this year. Lets calm down with all these guessing games. Right now, the bulls don't have Rose. Until he comes back this question is moot.

NoahH
03-05-2013, 06:44 PM
Nope

Cool007
03-05-2013, 07:42 PM
You're right its not 2011 guys. You can't compare those two teams to this years version. Heat would sweep their @$$es now. Hahaha is that different enough?

edit: Seriously though, why are we getting into hypothetical questions relating to the heat? I mean we don't know if Rose is even going to come back this year. Lets calm down with all these guessing games. Right now, the bulls don't have Rose. Until he comes back this question is moot.

+1.

Let Rose come back first and let him atleast play few games before we even say anything.

Becuase without Rose (heck even with Rose and if he hasn't improved or healthy enough) then you know Bulls have NO chance. Without Rose, I doubt Bulls would beat any team in the 1st round (unless they face Bucks).

This is coming from a Bulls fan too.

DDynO
03-05-2013, 08:45 PM
Nope.

Hoopsadvocate
03-05-2013, 08:52 PM
Lol at people saying look what happened 2 years ago. But seriously idk if the bulls would win but I believe it would go 7 games. The bulls are better then they were 2 years ago, and the heat are about the same. They added Allen but wade has dropped production a little.

My money would say heat, but I wouldn't be 100% confident I wouldn't be losing it

Bulls are better but the heat aren't? Are u kidding or just dumb? Lebrun has improved every year since he's got here and the team as a whole is leaps and bounds more comfortable as a group not to mention we didn't have Shane batter during that series as well and wade avgs close to the same numbers and has recently been on a tear having his best stretch since the big 3 formed.

Your an idiot if u think the heat haven't gotten better.

Plus the bulls have lost asik and boozer has gotten worse. Plus you've added a bunch of new players while we have maintained the same core and rose is coming off major surgery.

If anything they had a better chance 2 years ago. Because it was our first year together and rose was healthy.

superior
03-06-2013, 11:45 AM
Bulls are better but the heat aren't? Are u kidding or just dumb? Lebrun has improved every year since he's got here and the team as a whole is leaps and bounds more comfortable as a group not to mention we didn't have Shane batter during that series as well and wade avgs close to the same numbers and has recently been on a tear having his best stretch since the big 3 formed.

Your an idiot if u think the heat haven't gotten better.

Plus the bulls have lost asik and boozer has gotten worse. Plus you've added a bunch of new players while we have maintained the same core and rose is coming off major surgery.

If anything they had a better chance 2 years ago. Because it was our first year together and rose was healthy.

1. losing asik only means more minutes for taj gibson, whos a better player anyway
2. boozer is playing MUCH better this year than he did in 2011, wtf player are u watching?
3. new backups = hinrich > watson....nate > lucas.....bellinelli/RIP > bogans.....butler >> brewer
4. adrian peterson came off the same surgery and won mvp and rushed for 2000 yards.

Pierzynski4Prez
03-06-2013, 12:21 PM
1. losing asik only means more minutes for taj gibson, whos a better player anyway
2. boozer is playing MUCH better this year than he did in 2011, wtf player are u watching?
3. new backups = hinrich > watson....nate > lucas.....bellinelli/RIP > bogans.....butler >> brewer
4. adrian peterson came off the same surgery and won mvp and rushed for 2000 yards.

Calm down there bud. You can't honestly tell me that this team doesn't miss having Asik off the bench. And as for the AP comparison, I wouldn't get your hopes up that Rose has an identical recovery.

justinnum1
03-06-2013, 12:25 PM
1. losing asik only means more minutes for taj gibson, whos a better player anyway
2. boozer is playing MUCH better this year than he did in 2011, wtf player are u watching?
3. new backups = hinrich > watson....nate > lucas.....bellinelli/RIP > bogans.....butler >> brewer
4. adrian peterson came off the same surgery and won mvp and rushed for 2000 yards.

asik>gibson imo.

superior
03-06-2013, 12:33 PM
Calm down there bud. You can't honestly tell me that this team doesn't miss having Asik off the bench. And as for the AP comparison, I wouldn't get your hopes up that Rose has an identical recovery.

i know i was really losing control there lol clown

superior
03-06-2013, 12:35 PM
Calm down there bud. You can't honestly tell me that this team doesn't miss having Asik off the bench. And as for the AP comparison, I wouldn't get your hopes up that Rose has an identical recovery.

i know i was really losing control there lol clown

LRizzle
03-06-2013, 12:39 PM
The question to this thread should be "Do the Heat still sweep the Bulls in the playoffs if Rose comes back?"

superior
03-06-2013, 01:59 PM
The question to this thread should be "Do the Heat still sweep the Bulls in the playoffs if Rose comes back?"

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