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Knick_Fever
02-20-2013, 12:12 AM
Apparently most of us have been sleeping on this guy for a while. So far he's had 3 buzzer-beaters and several game-tying shots this season, and he's making them with an extremely high level of efficiency. Ice water definitely runs through his veins when the game is on line.

waveycrockett
02-20-2013, 12:13 AM
He really is the truth. See my sig.

*Silver&Black*
02-20-2013, 12:14 AM
.................until the playoffs come. Seen this before.

Chill_Will_24
02-20-2013, 12:17 AM
Apparently most of us have been sleeping on this guy for a while. So far he's had 3 buzzer-beaters and several game-tying shots this season, and he's making them with an extremely high level of efficiency. Ice water definitely runs through his veins when the game is on line.

They just read off a stat that he leads the league in clutch shots this year. Something like 8-1 in shots that are taken with :30 seconds left on the clock or less

Chill_Will_24
02-20-2013, 12:17 AM
.................until the playoffs come. Seen this before.

Yup. Career shrinker like Vince Carter

Chronz
02-20-2013, 12:18 AM
Pretty sure this changes every year based on whatever random criteria is used.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:19 AM
The New Truth. Joe Johnson needs a nickname. Nah srsly 8 for 9, 88.9% game on the line he's money.

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch.html?sortField=FG_PCT&sortOrder=DES&filters=FGA*GE*5&PointDiff=3&ClutchTime=Last%2030%20Seconds

Hawkeye15
02-20-2013, 12:20 AM
I mean, clutch is a stupid term, and changes by the year.

Knick_Fever
02-20-2013, 12:21 AM
They just read off a stat that he leads the league in clutch shots this year. Something like 8-1 in shots that are taken with :30 seconds left on the clock or less

Thats impressive, he's got an arsenal of pull-ups and step-backs that are almost impossible to defend. No doubt he's the real deal.

waveycrockett
02-20-2013, 12:22 AM
I mean, clutch is a stupid term, and changes by the year.

Clutch is an imaginary term until it happens to your team

D-Leethal
02-20-2013, 12:22 AM
He's definitely been doing his thing this year. Like everyone else said, your perception is going to vary from year to year. His teams were always overmatched and hes obviously not a tier 1 star but for a tier 2/3 guy he held his own, taking championship C's to 7 games and Bulls to 6. He got his share of playoff W's. He sure seems to like the big moment more than his PG does this year.

*Silver&Black*
02-20-2013, 12:22 AM
The New Truth. Joe Johnson needs a nickname.

He has one, it's Joe Cool.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:23 AM
I mean, clutch is a stupid term, and changes by the year.

Word but it's been for the last 3 years in his position. This year it's at a stupid rate.


He has one, it's Joe Cool.

no offense but that **** sucks. :laugh:

Knick_Fever
02-20-2013, 12:24 AM
And I thought Melo was clutch, yeah right. I think Melo missed all of his "clutch" attempts. Joe Johnson is this year's Mr. Closer for sure.

*Silver&Black*
02-20-2013, 12:26 AM
no offense but that **** sucks. :laugh:

He has had it for a while, I didn't come up with it so why would I be offended?

Tmath
02-20-2013, 12:26 AM
No, he just gets a lot of opportunities because the Nets blow leads on the daily.

cssdmark
02-20-2013, 12:26 AM
[QUOTE=Knick_Fever;25430532]Apparently most of us have been sleeping on this guy for a while. So far he's had 3 buzzer-beaters and several game-tying shots this season, and he's making them with an extremely high level of efficiency. Ice water definitely runs through his veins when the game is on line.[/QUOTE
No he is not. Do not overeact.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:27 AM
No, he just gets a lot of opportunities because the Nets blow leads on the daily.

homie he's 8 for 9. :laugh2:

Avenged
02-20-2013, 12:27 AM
Lakers should trade Dwight for him.

Knick_Fever
02-20-2013, 12:30 AM
[QUOTE=Knick_Fever;25430532]Apparently most of us have been sleeping on this guy for a while. So far he's had 3 buzzer-beaters and several game-tying shots this season, and he's making them with an extremely high level of efficiency. Ice water definitely runs through his veins when the game is on line.[/QUOTE
No he is not. Do not overeact.

You do realize he's 8 for 9 in these situations, right? If that doesnt make you the best closer this season, I dont know what does, because those numbers are pretty concrete.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:32 AM
You do realize he's 8 for 9 in these situations, right? If that doesnt make you the best closer this season, I dont know what does, because those numbers are pretty concrete.

As a Yankees fan I use to hear Mariano is the best closer b/c the Yankees suck and he gets cheap saves. Yo getting the oppurtunity and cashing in shows the man's routine talent. It's not like this is the first year he's in top 10 for it.

JEDean89
02-20-2013, 12:33 AM
i think the nets would rather he hit some of the shots earlier in the game. you know, some of the 60% of his shots that miss.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:34 AM
i think the nets would rather he hit some of the shots earlier in the game. you know, some of the 60% of his shots that miss.

+1 that is true but still game on the line, you don't want him w/ the ball.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 12:34 AM
hes been a deadly shooter most of his career......

Chronz
02-20-2013, 12:35 AM
You do realize he's 8 for 9 in these situations, right? If that doesnt make you the best closer this season, I dont know what does, because those numbers are pretty concrete.
How about totality of clutch play? Closing isn't just about the final shot is it?

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:38 AM
How about totality of clutch play? Closing isn't just about the final shot is it?

if you going mano y mano and LeBron hits big shots down the last 3 mins but on the final possession Melo hits the GW who's more clutch? tough one. But NBA has this stat and now we know final possession, walkoff rate JJ is the top in the NBA this season.

Kashmir13579
02-20-2013, 12:40 AM
I mean, clutch is a stupid term, and changes by the year.

It doesn't change by the year, everyone just has their own opinion.

oak2455
02-20-2013, 12:41 AM
he's made some big buckets

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:42 AM
@Chronz I do have to say that's why the thread saids best "closer" in the game.

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 12:45 AM
i think the nets would rather he hit some of the shots earlier in the game. you know, some of the 60% of his shots that miss.

lmao. Joe is clearly the best closer in the game.

DoMeFavors
02-20-2013, 12:49 AM
I said this before that he is a top 4 player that can take over a game and people laughed at me. Like I said everything I say always ends up being right. So keep hating my basketball opinions cause they are always key on.

Joe has been great all year and tonight hit a 3 to tie the game, then hit the buzzer beating game winner.

fingerbang
02-20-2013, 12:50 AM
closing = getting to the line late in the game and holding off your opponent

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:54 AM
Lets review these closing situtation top oppurtunities vs success rate

DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 4 for 14 28.6%

LeBron James (MIA) 5 for 13 38.5%

Paul Pierce (BOS) 3 for 12 25%

Kyrie Irving (CLE) 7 for 12 58.3%

George Hill (IND) 3 for 10 30%

Damian Lillard (POR) 2 for 10 20%

Mo Williams (UTA) 1 for 10 10%

David West (IND) 1 for 9 11.1%

LaMarcus Aldridge (POR) 5 for 9 55.9%

Joe Johnson (BKN) 8 for 9 88.9%

this isn't impressive? Kobe ain't even on the list. Melo isn't on the list.

Bravo95
02-20-2013, 12:55 AM
His teams were always overmatched and hes obviously not a tier 1 star but for a tier 2/3 guy he held his own, taking championship C's to 7 games and Bulls to 6.
Incorrect. He had a few occasions where the Hawks were the superior team in playoff matchups and still struggled to put away opponents, like the pre-Lebron Heat and mediocre Bucks, and also series where his teams flat out quit against the Cavs and Magic, with him not putting up much of a fight as the leader. If he gets "credit" for coming close against the Celtics and Bulls (those were full team efforts really), he also deserves his share of the blame for the choke jobs.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 12:57 AM
Incorrect. He had a few occasions where the Hawks were the superior team in playoff matchups and still struggled to put away opponents, like the pre-Lebron Heat and mediocre Bucks, and also series where his teams flat out quit against the Cavs and Magic with him not putting up much of a fight. If he gets "credit" for coming close against the Cetics and Bulls, he also deserves his share of the blame for the chokejobs.

Mike Woodson putting the offense fully on him didn't help. But you saying that LeBron and Dwight Howard weren't superior players than anything in Atlanta?

DoMeFavors
02-20-2013, 01:04 AM
Lets review these closing situtation top oppurtunities vs success rate

DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 4 for 14 28.6%

LeBron James (MIA) 5 for 13 38.5%

Paul Pierce (BOS) 3 for 12 25%

Kyrie Irving (CLE) 7 for 12 58.3%

George Hill (IND) 3 for 10 30%

Damian Lillard (POR) 2 for 10 20%

Mo Williams (UTA) 1 for 10 10%

David West (IND) 1 for 9 11.1%

LaMarcus Aldridge (POR) 5 for 9 55.9%

Joe Johnson (BKN) 8 for 9 88.9%

this isn't impressive? Kobe ain't even on the list. Melo isn't on the list.

He doesnt miss those shots, he is soo clutch. Cant believe there are some people in this thread that would take Amare over Joe.

Tony_Starks
02-20-2013, 01:08 AM
I'm not sleepin on Joe. It always made me mad when people made such a huge deal out of his contract. In the last couple minutes that dude is money, from the ATL until now.

Bravo95
02-20-2013, 01:10 AM
Mike Woodson putting the offense fully on him didn't help.
Joe wanted to be the man, wanted to be paid like the man. But when it came time to be a man in April and May, too often he wasn't. No point looking for excuses, that's just how it was. You guys saw the same embarrassing playoff performances that I saw. He checked out. Now in Brooklyn, the pressure is on other guys to lead the way so he can be more of a complimentary guy, a role player. In Atlanta, Woodson's offense gave him what he asked for, but wasn't built for.

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 01:10 AM
Lets review these closing situtation top oppurtunities vs success rate

DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 4 for 14 28.6%

LeBron James (MIA) 5 for 13 38.5%

Paul Pierce (BOS) 3 for 12 25%

Kyrie Irving (CLE) 7 for 12 58.3%

George Hill (IND) 3 for 10 30%

Damian Lillard (POR) 2 for 10 20%

Mo Williams (UTA) 1 for 10 10%

David West (IND) 1 for 9 11.1%

LaMarcus Aldridge (POR) 5 for 9 55.9%

Joe Johnson (BKN) 8 for 9 88.9%

this isn't impressive? Kobe ain't even on the list. Melo isn't on the list.

Melo is on the list, way at the bottom. He is 1 for 5 at 20%.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 01:14 AM
Joe wanted to be the man, wanted to be paid like "the man." But when it came to to be a man in April and May, too often he wasn't. No point looking for excuses, that's just how it was. You guys saw the same embarrassing playoff performances that I saw. He checked out. Now in Brooklyn the pressure is on other guys to lead the way so he can be more of a complimetary guy, a role player. In Atlanta, Woodson's offense gave him what he asked for, but wasn't built for.

I'm going through it right now w/ Woodson. He's not a great coach. Yes Joe Johnson wanted to be the man. But what ended up happening was Woodson was outcoached and out talented. Boston's big 3 and Doc, LeBron James, The Bulls and Thibs, Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy. Maybe you're bitter and looking for a scape goat but I don't put all those losses on Joe, infact if you take Joe out, look at what you have.

Alayla
02-20-2013, 01:18 AM
Lol....

Guppyfighter
02-20-2013, 01:19 AM
How great would a Nets-Knicks playoff series be?

Sactown
02-20-2013, 01:20 AM
Lets review these closing situtation top oppurtunities vs success rate

DeMar DeRozan (TOR) 4 for 14 28.6%

LeBron James (MIA) 5 for 13 38.5%

Paul Pierce (BOS) 3 for 12 25%

Kyrie Irving (CLE) 7 for 12 58.3%

George Hill (IND) 3 for 10 30%

Damian Lillard (POR) 2 for 10 20%

Mo Williams (UTA) 1 for 10 10%

David West (IND) 1 for 9 11.1%

LaMarcus Aldridge (POR) 5 for 9 55.9%

Joe Johnson (BKN) 8 for 9 88.9%

this isn't impressive? Kobe ain't even on the list. Melo isn't on the list.

The problem with these lists is, you can change the last 5 seconds to the last 10 seconds, and the numbers change to much.... 10 seconds 24 seconds 1 minute, with the game close all these situations are clutch.. not just 5 seconds and under.. without a definite definition for clutch it's hard to say who is and who isn't.

Also, who's to say that with 10 seconds left a player drawing all the attention and making a beautiful pass for the win isn't clutch? is clutch just putting the ball in the hoop? not at all, there's multiple ways to be clutch, putting in the basket is just one of them.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 01:20 AM
How great would a Nets-Knicks playoff series be?

Epic. This is bragging rights.

Guppyfighter
02-20-2013, 01:23 AM
I just want a playoff series involving two atlantic teams. I can't wait. Playoffs are going to be ****ing awesome this year.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 01:23 AM
gotta give alot of credit to p.j. carlesimo....

Avenged
02-20-2013, 01:24 AM
Did I just read that Joe freaking Johnson is a top 4 player?????

only in the nba forum..

Guppyfighter
02-20-2013, 01:25 AM
gotta give alot of credit to p.j. carlesimo....



Yeah, the defense is just as bad, but the whole offense got better under him, every individual player and the efficiency in general. A lot less iso's and all that jazz. Avery's offense involving standing around and working with about 10 seconds left.

Guppyfighter
02-20-2013, 01:26 AM
Did I just read that Joe freaking Johnson is a top 4 player?????

only in the nba forum..

I am not sure who said it, but I'd guess DMF said it.

oak2455
02-20-2013, 01:26 AM
Did I just read that Joe freaking Johnson is a top 4 player?????

only in the nba forum..

:laugh2:

Bravo95
02-20-2013, 01:28 AM
I'm going through it right now w/ Woodson. He's not a great coach. Yes Joe Johnson wanted to be the man. But what ended up happening was Woodson was outcoached and out talented. Boston's big 3 and Doc, LeBron James, The Bulls and Thibs, Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy. Maybe you're bitter and looking for a scape goat but I don't put all those losses on Joe, infact if you take Joe out, look at what you have.
Nothing bitter about it, I don't hold grudges in real life or sports, just telling it like it is (or was). The Hawks had more problems than just him, my point is that he deserved some blame instead of someone sitting here making excuses by blaming the offense. Sometimes they played better teams... That kind of thing happens in the playoffs, ya know? The problem was: A few times, they flat out quit and so did he. They didn't have to win all of those series, but it's inexcusable for them to not even show up and worse for him to act like it's OK. He just wasn't built for the alpha role, he's more comfortable as a complimentary guy, a role player. As I said, you guys saw the same playoff series against teams like Heat and Bucks, you saw them/him quit against the Cavs and Magic (I said quit, not get beat, but quit), so none of this is new and no reason to pull out your capes to save his reputation, acting like it didn't happen and he wasn't at fault.

Chronz
02-20-2013, 01:34 AM
How about totality of clutch play? Closing isn't just about the final shot is it?

if you going mano y mano and LeBron hits big shots down the last 3 mins but on the final possession Melo hits the GW who's more clutch? tough one. But NBA has this stat and now we know final possession, walkoff rate JJ is the top in the NBA this season.
Now? We've had these stats for awhile and I have a hard time calling anyone the best at anything after 9 shots. But yes hes obviously had the most success in those situations.

Sactown
02-20-2013, 01:37 AM
Now? We've had these stats for awhile and I have a hard time calling anyone the best at anything after 9 shots. But yes hes obviously had the most success in those situations.

Just by adding 10 seconds to the current criteria changes the outcome too much for anyone to be deemed "The most clutch" and like my post on the last page, making shots near the end of the game is only one aspect of being clutch.

Chronz
02-20-2013, 01:37 AM
@Chronz I do have to say that's why the thread saids best "closer" in the game.
Closing is more than just the last shot in the game. A great closer should in theory be able to close out a team at some point in the 4th of a tight game.

If a player closes a game out before that point, this final second stat will ignore it. Thats why we have a variety of clutch stats, doubt they are very consistent but its better than nothing I guess

LA_Raiders
02-20-2013, 01:44 AM
Lol

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 01:45 AM
Did I just read that Joe freaking Johnson is a top 4 player?????

only in the nba forum..

if it's DMF does it count?

KnicksR4Real
02-20-2013, 01:48 AM
ha

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 01:48 AM
Closing is more than just the last shot in the game. A great closer should in theory be able to close out a team at some point in the 4th of a tight game.

If a player closes a game out before that point, this final second stat will ignore it. Thats why we have a variety of clutch stats, doubt they are very consistent but its better than nothing I guess

but we're talking about succession rate when the game is on the line. See the thing about being clutch at the last min and change, it also leaves it open to being the goat of the game. The Last 30 secs you have a lead or tie the game can anyone fault the player that made the shot to put them in that position? we do have to recognize it.

LOOTERX9
02-20-2013, 02:03 AM
JOE is the type of player that is not afraid to take final shot and he hits them at a pretty high rate.

I wish lebron had the same amount of courage to take final shot instead of passing to haslem all the time..smh

HYFR
02-20-2013, 02:33 AM
Yea Joey is def top 4 on his own team

HYFR
02-20-2013, 02:45 AM
IMO closing time should be all of the 4th quarter. Here's a breakdown of some of the top 4th quarter scorers and no surprise the top players in the game are there:
http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1875895

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 02:51 AM
yo someone sounds salty.

Knicks21
02-20-2013, 03:03 AM
Closing lasts over at least a two minute period, clutch shots are made throughout that 2 minute period.

Try again.

KniCks4LiFe
02-20-2013, 03:10 AM
if this were Melo you wouldn't say that. Even in 2011 we acknowledged his clutch ability in the Knicks forum. Kobe and him are always in the convo. yet now b/c Joe is on the enemy we acting like he not? so big shot Bob was a joke right?

cbs9889
02-20-2013, 04:14 AM
i love players that don't freeze under pressure. i don't like the nets but i hope he keeps it up and makes basketball more exciting

netsgiantsyanks
02-20-2013, 06:32 AM
.................until the playoffs come. Seen this before.

this is what i am afraid of, from what i have witnessed, he's basically non-existent 9x out of 10.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 07:22 AM
rudy gay is definitely in this category

2-ONE-5
02-20-2013, 09:01 AM
too bad he struggles to shoot well for the first 47:30 of most games

alexander_37
02-20-2013, 09:08 AM
too bad he struggles to shoot well for the first 47:30 of most games

:laugh: exactly what I was going to say.

onlythisfar41
02-20-2013, 09:19 AM
Did I just read that Joe freaking Johnson is a top 4 player?????

only in the nba forum..

.....you read it from DoMeFavors. Everything he says is immediately null and void.

rockbottom2010
02-20-2013, 09:23 AM
Yeah, the defense is just as bad, but the whole offense got better under him, every individual player and the efficiency in general. A lot less iso's and all that jazz. Avery's offense involving standing around and working with about 10 seconds left.

ya u can say that....wallace and bogans are the main guys for defense....if they get josh smith or dwight....definitely their defense will improve

Greet
02-20-2013, 09:26 AM
Yeah, the defense is just as bad, but the whole offense got better under him, every individual player and the efficiency in general. A lot less iso's and all that jazz. Avery's offense involving standing around and working with about 10 seconds left.

Defense is much improved. It's just that D-Will has lost a step on D.

Rockice_8
02-20-2013, 10:15 AM
What is this thread a Knicks fan jinx. He's been very good down the stretch and I hope it continues.

NYJ - NYY
02-20-2013, 10:25 AM
just if he could hit shots throughout the game maybe his team wouldnt have to win it with 5 seconds or less lol hes a good final shot taker but he should start making more throughout the game

Ill21
02-20-2013, 10:30 AM
I still take Kobe, Durant, Melo, CP3 and LeBron over him if I need a big shot

LongIslandIcedZ
02-20-2013, 10:37 AM
He really likes that last shot lol.

oak2455
02-20-2013, 10:48 AM
I still take Kobe, Durant, Melo, CP3 and LeBron over him if I need a big shot

I agree with this message

NYJ - NYY
02-20-2013, 10:54 AM
I agree with this message

cosigned! and nice sig guy

justinnum1
02-20-2013, 11:54 AM
I still take Kobe, Durant, Melo, CP3 and LeBron over him if I need a big shot

i would never take lebron if i needed a last shot, i would want him handling the ball, but not shooting it. now, if it's in the last 5 minutes and not a game winner, then yea, he can shoot it.

cleptopot
02-20-2013, 11:57 AM
He is clutch but no melo

I Rock Shaqs
02-20-2013, 12:09 PM
Want Brooklyn and Toronto to play so Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson can hit like 8 game tying shots in a row until someone misses.

Greet
02-20-2013, 12:18 PM
He is clutch but no melo

Obviously he's no Melo.......This isn't what the thread is about. He's been better in crunch time than Melo this year

JiffyMix88
02-20-2013, 12:25 PM
I mean, clutch is a stupid term, and changes by the year.


Clutch is an imaginary term until it happens to your team

:laugh2:

Chronz
02-20-2013, 01:11 PM
but we're talking about succession rate when the game is on the line. See the thing about being clutch at the last min and change, it also leaves it open to being the goat of the game. The Last 30 secs you have a lead or tie the game can anyone fault the player that made the shot to put them in that position? we do have to recognize it.

I thought the topic was "best closer in the game", if all you guys really mean is best last possession shot maker THIS YEAR then the title should be changed.

alexander_37
02-21-2013, 12:04 AM
Is it really worth paying this guy that kind of money to suck for 46 minutes then play well for 2 and thats assuming the game is close.

LeperMessiah
02-21-2013, 12:52 AM
He's totally worth the money.

Losoway
02-21-2013, 01:40 AM
he is a pure closer . him and melo are the best at that