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NoahH
02-12-2013, 09:54 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kevin-durant-sometimes-doesn-t-want-chuck-low-220357263--nba.html

So.. anyone have a problem with Durant (and i'm sure other players) protecting their FG% by not putting up halfcourt bombs at the end of quarters?

Lakers + Giants
02-12-2013, 09:57 PM
If kobe or lebron said this then this thread would be at 20 pages now.

Hawkeye15
02-12-2013, 09:58 PM
Could care less, but hopefully people will see this as Durant not being the perfect poster boy of all time like they make him out to be. If he is seriously caring about his individual percentages, that is weak sauce.

mdm692
02-12-2013, 09:58 PM
I'm totally fine with that. No need to take stupid shots when you can easily get those points in the next quarter :p.

Hawkeye15
02-12-2013, 09:58 PM
If kobe or lebron said this then this thread would be at 20 pages now.

EXACTLY what I am saying haha

ThaDubs
02-12-2013, 09:59 PM
I think KD's arms would break if he tried to throw a ball across the court haha. No but in all seriousness I think some players realize that the chances are extremely slim that they'll make a shot from anywhere past half court. KD's stats are good enough so that if he missed one half court chuck it wouldn't effect his stats almost at all. I normally see guards shooting the half court shots.

ManRam
02-12-2013, 10:01 PM
I blame Westbrook.

BigBlueCrew
02-12-2013, 10:02 PM
I cant believe he actually put this much thought [real-time] into his FG%. That ridiculous :facepalm:

Lakers + Giants
02-12-2013, 10:04 PM
EXACTLY what I am saying haha

"Kobe being selfish like always"

"Lebron is a stat padder"

**** like that. Seriously, props for admitting it but it's still definitely a ***** move by durant. So everytime his team loses by a single shot we can look back at this. .

Chronz
02-12-2013, 10:06 PM
If kobe or lebron said this then this thread would be at 20 pages now.

EXACTLY what I am saying haha
Pretty sure bron has said it

Chronz
02-12-2013, 10:08 PM
EXACTLY what I am saying haha

"Kobe being selfish like always"

"Lebron is a stat padder"

**** like that. Seriously, props for admitting it but it's still definitely a ***** move by durant. So everytime his team loses by a single shot we can look back at this. .
You mean one game in like a hundred of them

hidalgo
02-12-2013, 10:11 PM
it's lame to think that way, when sometimes those go in & it could be the difference in the game. and if they change the FG% to not count long half court/full court buzzer beaters, then they'd need to go back & up all the past players FG% too(figure out all their full court shots, & change their %). just chuck away Durant, don't worry about the FG%, people know some of it is lower because of chuckin

Lakers + Giants
02-12-2013, 10:13 PM
You mean one game in like a hundred of them

I get what you're saying but if there's time left on the clock and the game hasn't been decided then you need to shoot the damn ball, doesn't matter who you are or where you shoot from. At least give your team a chance (although very slim) of scoring. Who know's might at least draw a foul. Got nothing to lose but % points on your FGs, haha

Sota4Ever
02-12-2013, 10:15 PM
Smart by Durant. With people being so fixed on shooting percentages why waste the shot. What are the chances those shots actually going in? Unless you can get close to the 3pt line you should just hold onto the ball.

b@llhog24
02-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Cancer.

ManRam
02-12-2013, 10:18 PM
The stupid thing is, and a good reason why Brooks should be mad even though those shots never go in, is that even if he misses 15 buzzer beaters in a season from beyond half court, that's not denting a guy who is getting off 1500-1600 shots in a season.

It's kinda stupid, but I bet lots of guys do it, and I couldn't care less.

b@llhog24
02-12-2013, 10:19 PM
"Kobe being selfish like always"

"Lebron is a stat padder"

**** like that. Seriously, props for admitting it but it's still definitely a ***** move by durant. So everytime his team loses by a single shot we can look back at this. .

Sounds like something amos would say.

Hawkeye15
02-12-2013, 10:20 PM
Pretty sure bron has said it

then he was piled on for saying it. I guarantee it. I mean, as a player, if I had pulled a muscle, or done some sort of pain to myself heaving a 50 footer, I might not do it either. But to mention the fact that since you aren't shooting well, you won't do it means one of two things to me:

1- I am not shooting well tonight, why even bother
2- I don't want to drop my percentages even more

heyman321
02-12-2013, 10:21 PM
Yesterday I saw Durant kick an orphan in the face.

Hawkeye15
02-12-2013, 10:21 PM
You mean one game in like a hundred of them

Yeah, he is probably responding to the 8 times a year he is presented with this situation, which is why I said I didn't care. But did agree if Kobe or LeBron said that, a big deal would be made of it.

Hawkeye15
02-12-2013, 10:22 PM
Yesterday I saw Durant kick an orphan in the face.

after he kicked a puppy

Sota4Ever
02-12-2013, 10:25 PM
then he was piled on for saying it. I guarantee it. I mean, as a player, if I had pulled a muscle, or done some sort of pain to myself heaving a 50 footer, I might not do it either. But to mention the fact that since you aren't shooting well, you won't do it means one of two things to me:

1- I am not shooting well tonight, why even bother
2- I don't want to drop my percentages even more

JJ Barea should learn the first one.

DW3421
02-12-2013, 10:27 PM
IMO unless your winning at the end of the 4th you should always take the shot.

topdog
02-12-2013, 10:33 PM
I have no problem with players foregoing the heave. It's a hail mary for most and serves little purpose. I don't care who it is and I don't think that it's "weak" to be selective in shot taking.

DW3421
02-12-2013, 10:37 PM
selecting to pass up a shot because its a bad one is a lot different than selecting to pass up a shot to maintain your shooting percentage though.I'm sure we all agree on that.Right?

flea
02-12-2013, 10:39 PM
I blame Stern and the NBA for giving us a season that is so meaningless that star players care about hundredths of percentage points more than they do winning a game.

EDIT: Imagine Cliff Lee saying he doesn't want to face the 2-3-4 of a good team in a blowout because it can only hurt his ERA and he's already got the W. Or Tom Brady saying he doesn't want to heave bombs downfield when his team is down 17+ with less than 5 minutes to go because it hurts his completion percentage. You can't imagine that? That's because those are real sports with real regular seasons.

Chronz
02-12-2013, 10:41 PM
You mean one game in like a hundred of them

I get what you're saying but if there's time left on the clock and the game hasn't been decided then you need to shoot the damn ball, doesn't matter who you are or where you shoot from. At least give your team a chance (although very slim) of scoring. Who know's might at least draw a foul. Got nothing to lose but % points on your FGs, haha
If I'm a player who knows he will be judged by his playoff contributions and stats, a few half court shots isnt something I would value either. its not a big deal either way so I wouldn't hold it against him unless it were the playoffs.

rocket
02-12-2013, 10:41 PM
It pisses me when player do not shoot it when they have a chance for the full court shot. I know they are doing it just to protect their fg %. It also pisses me off when they purposely WAIT for the time to expire then shoot it.

Chronz
02-12-2013, 10:43 PM
Pretty sure bron has said it

then he was piled on for saying it. I guarantee it. I mean, as a player, if I had pulled a muscle, or done some sort of pain to myself heaving a 50 footer, I might not do it either. But to mention the fact that since you aren't shooting well, you won't do it means one of two things to me:

1- I am not shooting well tonight, why even bother
2- I don't want to drop my percentages even more
No doubt

ThuglifeJ
02-12-2013, 10:49 PM
Smart by Durant. With people being so fixed on shooting percentages why waste the shot. What are the chances those shots actually going in? Unless you can get close to the 3pt line you should just hold onto the ball.


I think KD's arms would break if he tried to throw a ball across the court haha. No but in all seriousness I think some players realize that the chances are extremely slim that they'll make a shot from anywhere past half court. KD's stats are good enough so that if he missed one half court chuck it wouldn't effect his stats almost at all. I normally see guards shooting the half court shots.


I'm totally fine with that. No need to take stupid shots when you can easily get those points in the next quarter :p.


I have no problem with players foregoing the heave. It's a hail mary for most and serves little purpose. I don't care who it is and I don't think that it's "weak" to be selective in shot taking.

Wow. Just because it is Durant saying this doesn't mean by any means this is an okay thing. It's not the end of the world but it was a dumb thing to say and count that as a fault for Durant.

There's no reason, besides injury, that you should not be trying to get a half court shot up to possibly get ur team 3 more points

DW3421
02-12-2013, 10:56 PM
Thats right!

PhillySportFan
02-12-2013, 11:03 PM
I have a problem with it. Honestly even if it's rare it does happen and you could end up winning that game by 2 points. Winning is the most important thing, oh well his shooting percentage would be a whopping .008% less. I think its ridiculous we all know what a great player he is, him making missing a half court shot we'd all understand, making one we would just add to his greatness. It's a win/win.

gotoHcarolina52
02-12-2013, 11:07 PM
LeBron is as guilty of this as anyone. I don't like players like KD or Bron avoiding the ball so they wouldn't be in a position to take that shot, but what really infuriates me is when, while handling the ball, they purposely let the clock expire before heaving a shot.

If you're going to protect your FG% at least pass the damn ball to a teammate who's willing to take that shot.

ThuglifeJ
02-12-2013, 11:11 PM
I hate the classic 'couldn't get it off in time :( '

Lakers + Giants
02-12-2013, 11:14 PM
If I'm a player who knows he will be judged by his playoff contributions and stats, a few half court shots isnt something I would value either. its not a big deal either way so I wouldn't hold it against him unless it were the playoffs.

I agree it's not a big deal either and in reality it won't cost his team anything at all really. I just think he shouldn't have come out and publicly stated this. He won't lose any respect from me or anyone for saying/doing this but he shouldn't be worried about taking a shot just because it affects his stats. Nobody is going to be on him for missing a hail mary shot.

bholly
02-12-2013, 11:25 PM
Weird how we're just talking about Durant when they asked pretty much the whole team about it, and other guys were way more cavalier about it:

http://dailythunder.com/2013/02/to-heave-or-not-heave/

This isn't just these players, by the way. You see it every single day in the NBA, usually multiple times. This really isn't a Durant issue.

justinnum1
02-12-2013, 11:29 PM
bron does this all the time, and it pisses me off

SteBO
02-12-2013, 11:39 PM
LeBron has done this as well....it's kinda weak I guess but this does speak to something a lot of fans want to neglect. These guys deep down do care about their stats...it's why you see stars still in games sometimes even of the game is already decided. They like to stat-pad....

This is a different matter though with KD. The game wasn't decided yet...

TheNumber37
02-12-2013, 11:47 PM
not smart at all. because him taking that shot can only help his team. you miss all the shots you don't take.

TheWhiteMamba
02-12-2013, 11:48 PM
Rose attempts at least 2 half-court heaves a game

TheNumber37
02-12-2013, 11:49 PM
I bet Westbrook would shoot it!
He'd probably be floored of he read this

SMH!
02-12-2013, 11:51 PM
People are really getting mad over this?

HuRRiCaNeS324
02-12-2013, 11:57 PM
Idk if Lebron has said it, but i guarantee he does the same thing. If any HEAT fan hasn't noticed, just watch lol. Its actually pretty funny how he shoots its half a second after the buzzer every time. Hell, he did it today lol. And he actually made it too

Chronz
02-12-2013, 11:57 PM
Yeah, he is probably responding to the 8 times a year he is presented with this situation, which is why I said I didn't care. But did agree if Kobe or LeBron said that, a big deal would be made of it.

8 times? Not sure what your trying to say here

Chronz
02-12-2013, 11:59 PM
Rose attempts at least 2 half-court heaves a game

Proof?

gwrighter
02-13-2013, 12:01 AM
Neither does Austin Rivers

TheWhiteMamba
02-13-2013, 12:03 AM
Proof?

My eyes?

Chronz
02-13-2013, 12:13 AM
My eyes?

Give me dem

LeperMessiah
02-13-2013, 01:02 AM
lame

Sactown
02-13-2013, 01:12 AM
He has a valid point, Tyreke Evans kills his percentages by doing this.. In fact Tyreke throws up 2-3 buzzer beaters from half court per game lol.

Sactown
02-13-2013, 01:16 AM
Give me dem

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=rosede01&match=single&year_id=&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=JUMP_SHOT&shot_distance_min=40&shot_distance_max=&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

Derrick Rose is 1 for 39 from beyond 40 feet. not exactly 164 shots in a year, but still a good amount

haggis
02-13-2013, 01:17 AM
Proof?

It's not even close to that number, but we had a counter in the Bulls forum last year or 2 years ago. It was around 20 iirc.


edit: Sactown got it.

Sactown
02-13-2013, 01:21 AM
It's not even close to that number, but we had a counter in the Bulls forum last year or 2 years ago. It was around 20 iirc.


edit: Sactown got it.

Woah I didn't realize how much Durant avoided these shots

Shots beyond 40 feet

Kevin Durant: 5
Lebron James:50
Kobe Bryant:66
Derrick Rose:39

envymamba24
02-13-2013, 01:22 AM
Pretty sure bron has said it

Bron loves chuckin half court shots, he's actually pretty damn good at them lol

Sadds The Gr8
02-13-2013, 01:23 AM
hate when players do this

haggis
02-13-2013, 01:24 AM
Woah I didn't realize how much Durant avoided these shots

Shots beyond 40 feet

Kevin Durant: 5
Lebron James:50
Kobe Bryant:66
Derrick Rose:39

You don't get straight to DVD movie deals if you shoot a low FG% duh.

Sactown
02-13-2013, 01:26 AM
You don't get straight to DVD movie deals if you shoot a low FG% duh.

I think a lot of it is also, Durant doesn't take the ball up court.. He's a true SF.
Russell Westbrook has only taken 10 lol.

blastmasta26
02-13-2013, 01:50 AM
Durant shouldn't admit this. He's better off taking the shot right after the buzzer every time. Pretend to lose your handle for a second, and recover it just as the buzzer sounds, then fire off a shot that won't be counted.

Nick O
02-13-2013, 01:52 AM
1 in 100 is better than 0-100 .. take the heave man

Chronz
02-13-2013, 01:58 AM
Bron loves chuckin half court shots, he's actually pretty damn good at them lol

Yea but there are some years he shied away more than others. Nowadays especially.

Sota4Ever
02-13-2013, 02:00 AM
If Lebron took these shots, then we wouldn't be able to talk about his awesome fg%! I think PSD would go insane.

bholly
02-13-2013, 02:01 AM
1 in 100 is better than 0-100 .. take the heave man

Shouldn't the point be that 1-100 is better than 0-0?

Chronz
02-13-2013, 02:01 AM
1 in 100 is better than 0-100 .. take the heave man

Shane Battier once said, you may not value my shooting percentages but my next employer might. Among fans, efficiency has become increasingly (some would say obviously) more important. Durant wants to join the 50-40-90 crew at least once in his career, let him strive for individual goals when they are obviously not that influential in winning.

Chronz
02-13-2013, 02:02 AM
Shouldn't the point be that 1-100 is better than 0-0?

I would rather be 0-0

Nick O
02-13-2013, 02:02 AM
Shouldn't the point be that 1-100 is better than 0-0?

im talking percentage wise ... you got a 0% chance at hitting a shot you dont take

bholly
02-13-2013, 02:02 AM
If Lebron took these shots, then we wouldn't be able to talk about his awesome fg%! I think PSD would go insane.

He does. He's taken 50 of them. Did you look at the numbers?

Shlumpledink
02-13-2013, 02:04 AM
Another reason why judging players based on stats is faulty. Lots of guys do this, and some guys jack up a lot more full court/half court shots than others.

bholly
02-13-2013, 02:05 AM
I would rather be 0-0

Sure, and evidently Durant would, too. But the team is better off if you're 1-100, which I guess is the point. Or at least if you get out of the way and let someone else take the shot.

Guppyfighter
02-13-2013, 02:08 AM
I don't care because it's the regular season.

Definitely care if he said this during the playoffs, or more so about a playoff game/

bholly
02-13-2013, 02:14 AM
Another reason why judging players based on stats is faulty. Lots of guys do this, and some guys jack up a lot more full court/half court shots than others.

You mean why judging players based solely on basic stats without taking into consideration any context around or issues regarding those stats is faulty, right?
Stats can tell us how good a guy is at halfcourt heaves, how good he is at regular shots, and how often he takes each, with much better reliability than someone without stats.

Gotta use stats and the eye.

Sota4Ever
02-13-2013, 02:30 AM
He does. He's taken 50 of them. Did you look at the numbers?

If he shot the ball every time it would be a lot more then 50.

bholly
02-13-2013, 02:53 AM
If he shot the ball every time it would be a lot more then 50.

Probably, but if you compare his numbers to Durant or Kobe (ie the guys who he's most often compared to) you'll see he shoots them more often than either - so if his shooting percentages are coming down by adding in all the misses he should've had then it isn't going to affect any of those arguments in any meaningful way, because theirs are going to come down by even more.

Sota4Ever
02-13-2013, 02:59 AM
Kobe shot more then Lebron though...

bholly
02-13-2013, 03:14 AM
Kobe shot more then Lebron though...

Yeah and he's played 476 more regular season games and shot 8853 more regular season shots than LeBron, too.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2013, 03:27 AM
8 times? Not sure what your trying to say here

saying its very rare bro, nothing more.

Sota4Ever
02-13-2013, 03:28 AM
Haha wtf. I was making a simple reference to all the Lebron loving for having such a high percentage but peopling being made that he didn't take the last second shots.. No idea why you even needed to try and bring down Kobe or even bring up Kobe in the first place. Just stupid.

Hawkeye15
02-13-2013, 03:29 AM
He has a valid point, Tyreke Evans kills his percentages by doing this.. In fact Tyreke throws up 2-3 buzzer beaters from half court per game lol.

Reke's percentages are ruined because he is a bad shooter.

b@llhog24
02-13-2013, 03:34 AM
He has a valid point, Tyreke Evans kills his percentages by doing this.. In fact Tyreke throws up 2-3 buzzer beaters from half court per game lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEDsl4aBnjY

#neverforget

Vancity
02-13-2013, 05:29 AM
KD.. reasons why you should shoot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Yc7ZWUHpA

blahblahyoutoo
02-13-2013, 10:32 AM
Could care less, but hopefully people will see this as Durant not being the perfect poster boy of all time like they make him out to be. If he is seriously caring about his individual percentages, that is weak sauce.

started losing respect for him after he makes his scowl after scoring this season (or did he start that last season?).

R. Johnson#3
02-13-2013, 10:36 AM
If your team is down the ball better be chucked. You play to win the game. At least I think you do?

xRipCity
02-13-2013, 01:55 PM
This is tough, I watched an entire debate on this on SportsCenter. I'm honestly on the fence... I can see why you wouldn't count it but if he were to make it then would he magically have another three points on his scorecard? Or count 1/1? There would be a lot of controversy.

xRipCity
02-13-2013, 01:55 PM
Now that I think about it, it doesn't matter. Field goal attmept regardless. If you feel your team could use three points, let it go. If not, save your percentage.

C_Mund
02-13-2013, 02:06 PM
Now that I think about it, it doesn't matter. Field goal attmept regardless. If you feel your team could use three points, let it go. If not, save your percentage.

I think it has to be counted. Should we not count breakaway dunks because they have a 99.9% chance of going in?

....this brings me back to the Chris Childs days on the Raps. I think that team (Vince, anyone?) had this same "issue," so Childs was like "**** that, give me the ball then." and his 3-pt% was brutal but he also hit like 3 or 4 buzzer beaters. Gotta love it.

ILLUSIONIST^248
02-13-2013, 02:15 PM
Could care less, but hopefully people will see this as Durant not being the perfect poster boy of all time like they make him out to be. If he is seriously caring about his individual percentages, that is weak sauce.

Yeah he does, Pretty lame.

Stinkyoutsider
02-13-2013, 02:28 PM
I wish Durant would have kept this thought to himself...

A guy who can beat his man and get any shot he wants is worried about putting up shots at the end of the quarter so his FG% stays in tact? He has the wrong mindset here. You have to take those shots. There's always a chance you're going to make it. Slim chance, but still a chance.

If he throws up a half court shot and misses, he'll make it up later. It's not like he's a guy Steve Novak, who's performance is totally predicated on his 3% and how many he makes.

Is he trying to be 1st in 3% in a season? It wouldn't matter or change how we think of him as a player. Leave 3% to guys like Korver because Durant can do so much more on the court.

bleedprple&gold
02-13-2013, 03:03 PM
Easily solution, just chuck it up right after the buzzer sounds that way it looks like you are trying and want to take the shot but just mistimed it and it doesn't hurt your percentage.

THE MTL
02-13-2013, 03:07 PM
It hurts your FG% for some BS heeve at the basket that has no chance of going in. Its a waste of energy.
Plus, Durant shoots 50/40/90 which are historic numbers. I wouldnt want to hurt those stats either.

bholly
02-13-2013, 04:44 PM
Easily solution, just chuck it up right after the buzzer sounds that way it looks like you are trying and want to take the shot but just mistimed it and it doesn't hurt your percentage.

that isn't really a solution, because everybody knows you're doing it on purpose (especially after the first couple of times) so it doesn't look like you are trying at all - it just looks like you're trying to not shoot and deceive people so that you get away with it.

kblo247
02-13-2013, 05:12 PM
That's what he got Russ for, he don't give a **** much like Kobe or Melo types

OceanSpray
02-13-2013, 07:26 PM
I completely agree with Durant. You may call it selfish but if he didn't worry about how his stats would look, he would be just like Russell Westbrook and Kobe. Sometimes it's arguable. If you're winning, no need. If you're losing and could take a chance, why not?

Sota4Ever
02-14-2013, 12:09 AM
Ha some people. :facepalm:

JasonJohnHorn
02-14-2013, 03:24 AM
I have a problem with it. I understand if his team is up by 20, not need to take that shot, but if it is a close game, every possession counts and you should try to get your team as many shots as you can, regardless of what your percentage is. Just that simple.

bleedprple&gold
02-14-2013, 03:26 AM
that isn't really a solution, because everybody knows you're doing it on purpose (especially after the first couple of times) so it doesn't look like you are trying at all - it just looks like you're trying to not shoot and deceive people so that you get away with it.

Well how often does it come up where you have the ball and have to chuck it at the buzzer, maybe once every few games? I see guys chuck it after the buzzer all the time and I don't immediately think they waited til the buzzer sounded on purpose.