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Everymanalion
02-09-2013, 09:50 PM
Denver Nuggets, GS Warriors or Cleveland Cavs? All have a nice core, GS has Curry and Klay, CLE has Kyrie and Thompson and Denver is just well....Denver since Melo left, a good but not a great team.

Who do you think has more potential to be a REAL contender in the next couple years?

Minimal
02-09-2013, 09:53 PM
Denver, they have all the tools to be at the contender level the next couple of years.

Everymanalion
02-09-2013, 09:55 PM
Denver, they have all the tools to be at the contender level the next couple of years.


I personally like Karl but I do not think they will get get past the 2nd round with him as their coach to be honest, thats just my personal opinion, not based on anything haha

OceanSpray
02-09-2013, 10:03 PM
Cleveland. Denver isn't going to win because they have way too much talent on that team. Karl has been a favorite coach of mines for a long period of time. However, him not playing Javale McGee as much as he should be playing is just a terrible decision. Cleveland on the other hand just got the second chance of a lifetime. Kyrie Irving is one of the best PG's, if not player, in the game right now. Thompson has been improving, you can see potential. Varejao was the best rebounder and was highly efficient before he was injured. Assuming Cleveland doesn't screw this up again, they easily have a great future.

selassi3
02-09-2013, 10:06 PM
Toronto Raptors....

Kyle Lowry/Rudy Gay/Bargnani are in their prime all 26 years old, Demar Derozan is only 23, Terrance Ross is barley 21, Jonas who will turn into the best center in the league in a few years is only 20, oh yeah their Vet Amir Johnson has been in the league for 8 years and only 24.

Everymanalion
02-09-2013, 10:10 PM
Toronto Raptors....

Kyle Lowry/Rudy Gay/Bargnani are in their prime all 26 years old, Demar Derozan is only 23, Terrance Ross is barley 21, Jonas who will turn into the best center in the league in a few years is only 20, oh yeah their Vet Amir Johnson has been in the league for 8 years and only 24.


With all that money you would think Derozan would get braces

Edit: and pro-active.

Lions #81
02-09-2013, 10:10 PM
Toronto Raptors....

Kyle Lowry/Rudy Gay/Bargnani are in their prime all 26 years old, Demar Derozan is only 23, Terrance Ross is barley 21, Jonas who will turn into the best center in the league in a few years is only 20, oh yeah their Vet Amir Johnson has been in the league for 8 years and only 24.

He wasn't drafted when he was 16. :facepalm:

NBA_Starter
02-09-2013, 10:14 PM
Cleveland because they have a closer

beasted86
02-09-2013, 10:20 PM
He wasn't drafted when he was 16. :facepalm:

LMAO.

Aside from that he's been in the league 7 years and he's 25, will be 26 in a few weeks. He is also not been getting significantly better, so stating his age doesn't say anything.

ThaDubs
02-09-2013, 10:23 PM
Cavs, then Raptors, then Warriors, then Nugs.

NBA_Starter
02-09-2013, 10:26 PM
I'd feel a lot better about the Nuggets if they had a closer

dtmagnet
02-09-2013, 10:34 PM
Of those three teams you posted I like the Warriors the most, not sure if they count as a young team though since they have a good mixture of vets in there.

jon32
02-09-2013, 10:38 PM
Cleveland
Toronto
Denver
Golden State

BallIsAll
02-09-2013, 11:02 PM
I'd feel a lot better about the Nuggets if they had a closer

Gallinari anyone?

rocket
02-09-2013, 11:07 PM
Denver and it's not close, not close at all.

Clevland and Toronto may have nice pieces, but they still suck.

heyman321
02-09-2013, 11:09 PM
I'd say GS. Denver has no mega-superstar and you always need that.

Cavs are last on that. Kyrie is very good, but fact is the rest of his team sucks bad. Tristan Thompson sucks, and Varejao will get traded as soon as he's healthy.

BallIsAll
02-09-2013, 11:11 PM
I'd say GS. Denver has no mega-superstar and you always need that.

Cavs are last on that. Kyrie is very good, but fact is the rest of his team sucks bad. Tristan Thompson sucks, and Varejao will get traded as soon as he's healthy.


Really? Who's Golden States "mega-supestar"?

OceanSpray
02-09-2013, 11:13 PM
Really? Who's Golden States "mega-supestar"?

If I must say, Stephen Curry has established himself as a potential superstar.

D-Leethal
02-09-2013, 11:14 PM
Cavs. Teams built around the best players have the most potential. A solid team built around Kyrie is better than a solid team built around Gallo and Lawson and same goes for Curry and Lee. Cavs obviously need to add some pieces, if were talking right here and now with nothing but gradual improvement from young players, than GSW.

BallIsAll
02-09-2013, 11:20 PM
If I must say, Stephen Curry has established himself as a potential superstar.

Lol really curry is a superstar now? I refuse to get in to this with you after that comment.

JEDean89
02-09-2013, 11:42 PM
i don't get how people can put toronto and cleveland in front of denver. denver just kicked clevelands *** in their own building and cleveland ****ed up by drafting waiters over barnes and drummond. I'd feel a lot better about the cavs future if they drafted well outside of kyrie. thompson is good but faried has proved to be the superior player despite being smaller and not having the touch that thompson does. anyone who thinks the nuggs don't have an allstar talent does not know basketball. here are gallinari's stats

17, 5, 2.4 for a PER of 17.43 in 33 mins a game

luol deng (an allstar)
17, 7, 3 ofr a PER of 15.2 in 40 mins a game

paul george (an allstar)
18, 8, 4 for a PER of 17.42 in 38 mins game

he has also been balling lately averaging 19.3 and 5 in January in only 33 mins a game. He Shot 43% from 3 pt land in January and 41% in December. If he played 37 mins a game like most allstars do, he would be averaging close to 20. He has really made strides this season and has actually been really clutch this season having already hit numerous dagger 3's. He has become a really good player and if it weren't for the nuggs being good enough that they don't have to ride their best players close to 40 a night he would probably have been an allstar. it's a shame the nuggs have been snubbed of an allstar 2 years in a row after making the playoffs but they always seem to pick it up around the allstar break.

Nuggs
GSW
CLE
TOR

Freakazoid
02-09-2013, 11:44 PM
LMAO.

Aside from that he's been in the league 7 years and he's 25, will be 26 in a few weeks. He is also not been getting significantly better, so stating his age doesn't say anything.

If you look at the stat sheet you're right but if you actually watch the games you couldn't be farther from the truth. His offensive game has developed and it's significantly better than his last two season. If he continues to work at his game, especially his mid-range, he'll be a solid starter on any team.

BallIsAll
02-09-2013, 11:49 PM
i don't get how people can put toronto and cleveland in front of denver. denver just kicked clevelands *** in their own building and cleveland ****ed up by drafting waiters over barnes and drummond. I'd feel a lot better about the cavs future if they drafted well outside of kyrie. thompson is good but faried has proved to be the superior player despite being smaller and not having the touch that thompson does. anyone who thinks the nuggs don't have an allstar talent does not know basketball. here are gallinari's stats

17, 5, 2.4 for a PER of 17.43 in 33 mins a game

luol deng (an allstar)
17, 7, 3 ofr a PER of 15.2 in 40 mins a game

paul george (an allstar)
18, 8, 4 for a PER of 17.42 in 38 mins game

he has also been balling lately averaging 19.3 and 5 in January in only 33 mins a game. He Shot 43% from 3 pt land in January and 41% in December. If he played 37 mins a game like most allstars do, he would be averaging close to 20. He has really made strides this season and has actually been really clutch this season having already hit numerous dagger 3's. He has become a really good player and if it weren't for the nuggs being good enough that they don't have to ride their best players close to 40 a night he would probably have been an allstar. it's a shame the nuggs have been snubbed of an allstar 2 years in a row after making the playoffs but they always seem to pick it up around the allstar break.

Nuggs
GSW
CLE
TOR

Agreed.

OceanSpray
02-09-2013, 11:54 PM
i don't get how people can put toronto and cleveland in front of denver. denver just kicked clevelands *** in their own building and cleveland ****ed up by drafting waiters over barnes and drummond. I'd feel a lot better about the cavs future if they drafted well outside of kyrie. thompson is good but faried has proved to be the superior player despite being smaller and not having the touch that thompson does. anyone who thinks the nuggs don't have an allstar talent does not know basketball. here are gallinari's stats

17, 5, 2.4 for a PER of 17.43 in 33 mins a game

luol deng (an allstar)
17, 7, 3 ofr a PER of 15.2 in 40 mins a game

paul george (an allstar)
18, 8, 4 for a PER of 17.42 in 38 mins game

he has also been balling lately averaging 19.3 and 5 in January in only 33 mins a game. He Shot 43% from 3 pt land in January and 41% in December. If he played 37 mins a game like most allstars do, he would be averaging close to 20. He has really made strides this season and has actually been really clutch this season having already hit numerous dagger 3's. He has become a really good player and if it weren't for the nuggs being good enough that they don't have to ride their best players close to 40 a night he would probably have been an allstar. it's a shame the nuggs have been snubbed of an allstar 2 years in a row after making the playoffs but they always seem to pick it up around the allstar break.

Nuggs
GSW
CLE
TOR

You're handpicking players. George is way better than Gallinari. Don't even get started with Irving. Gallinari is 43% from the field? Since when is that acceptable as a player? It doesn't matter how well he has been playing as of late. He could play the 43% from the field Gallinari next month for all we know. Denver also has short term contracts.. They aren't going to be the same team for years to come. Cleveland on the other hand are.

BallIsAll
02-10-2013, 12:00 AM
You're handpicking players. George is way better than Gallinari. Don't even get started with Irving. Gallinari is 43% from the field? Since when is that acceptable as a player? It doesn't matter how well he has been playing as of late. He could play the 43% from the field Gallinari next month for all we know. Denver also has short term contracts.. They aren't going to be the same team for years to come. Cleveland on the other hand are.



What? Prove george is better? Last time they played gallinari kind of ummm, outplayed him. Plus gallinari started the season injured.

Short-term contracts?

Lawson - 5 more years
Gallinari - 4 more years
Chandler - 4 more years
Mcgee - 4 more years
miller - 3 more years
Kufous - 3 more years
Hamilton, Faried, Fournier - rookie deals


What does it matter if Cleveland are the same team in the future? They'll still suck we should all hope they aren't the same team.

scaramantula
02-10-2013, 12:02 AM
everyone just keep counting toronto out...

its all part of the plan:)

jon32
02-10-2013, 12:09 AM
watch Cleveland end up gettin the 1st overall in '14 and get Wiggins.......then Lebron signs with em

Irving
Wiggins
Lebron
Thompson
Verejao

TrueFan420
02-10-2013, 12:12 AM
Lol really curry is a superstar now? I refuse to get in to this with you after that comment.

Read a little closer it says potential before superstar

heyman321
02-10-2013, 12:12 AM
watch Cleveland end up gettin the 1st overall in '14 and get Wiggins.......then Lebron signs with em

Irving
Wiggins
Lebron
Thompson
Verejao

I will cry if Cleveland gets Wiggins. I sincerely hope he goes to teh Bobcats. They need someone like that for once.

TopsyTurvy
02-10-2013, 12:14 AM
Either Cleveland or Toronto and it has nothing to do with the talent level on the team - it's all about the conference they play in.

OceanSpray
02-10-2013, 12:14 AM
Lol really curry is a superstar now? I refuse to get in to this with you after that comment.

I bet you disappeared after finding out I had put potential before superstar. Thanks, now you can run along and realize how stupid you are.

OceanSpray
02-10-2013, 12:15 AM
Lol really curry is a superstar now? I refuse to get in to this with you after that comment.

I bet you disappeared after finding out I had put potential before superstar. Thanks, now you can run along and realize how stupid you are.

jon32
02-10-2013, 12:16 AM
I will cry if Cleveland gets Wiggins. I sincerely hope he goes to teh Bobcats. They need someone like that for once.

I would instantly become a cavs fan ....especially if they ended up with Bennett this year ( team Canada wooooo )

but Wiggins and MKG would be a pretty solid duo to build with......especially with Jordan showing Wiggins some tips

BallIsAll
02-10-2013, 12:17 AM
I bet you disappeared after finding out I had put potential before superstar. Thanks, now you can run along and realize how stupid you are.


You probably haven't even hit puberty, so i'll end it at this.


CURRY IN NO WAY HAS POTENTIAL TO BECOME A SUPERSTAR.

OceanSpray
02-10-2013, 12:20 AM
You probably haven't even hit puberty, so i'll end it at this.


CURRY IN NO WAY HAS POTENTIAL TO BECOME A SUPERSTAR.

You're the one who can't even read. You're saying he can't become a superstar based off what? His numbers are all improving year by year. Now shoo, you are irrelevant and pretty stupid.

BallIsAll
02-10-2013, 12:25 AM
You're the one who can't even read. You're saying he can't become a superstar based off what? His numbers are all improving year by year. Now shoo, you are irrelevant and pretty stupid.

Im hurt by being called stupid by you. I can read trust me I've got my degree.

The warriors have got destroyed by the nuggets this year. The nuggets are better, and younger. Those are facts. What you post is not fact. Curry has no chance of becoming a superstar. He's a score first point guard who is an incredible shooter. Thats all. To be a superstar you have to have the "potential" to be at least top 2 in your position. Your using the term superstar lightly, he's not even an all star. A better statement would be (he has the potential to be an all star).


Also insulting people in a forum won't get you anywhere kid. You don't look smart calling someone stupid in a forum.

Tmac,lt,berkman
02-10-2013, 12:25 AM
How about the rockets james harden, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy lin, omer Asik, Patrick Patterson, Maarcus morris, Terrence Jones, Royce white, dmo

jon32
02-10-2013, 12:26 AM
You probably haven't even hit puberty, so i'll end it at this.


CURRY IN NO WAY HAS POTENTIAL TO BECOME A SUPERSTAR.

hes not a superstar by no means but hes easily on that 2nd or 3rd level

jon32
02-10-2013, 12:27 AM
How about the rockets james harden, Chandler Parsons, Jeremy lin, omer Asik, Patrick Patterson, Maarcus morris, Terrence Jones, Royce white, dmo

what about them ? are you asking wholl become stars?

Chitownhero1992
02-10-2013, 12:39 AM
What about the Jazz potential wise? They have Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter all with mounds of potential they haven't reached. Imagine a young PG with that group for years together they could be terrific.

Nuggets are great but can be beat, Cavs I don't see them being great to me its Kyrie a few good assets and crap...they need more. Warriors are close as well with Curry, Thompson, Barnes and more...they need a good young PF/C to make me believe that they will be good for years...Bogut is still iffy to me and Lee is stoppable.

BallIsAll
02-10-2013, 12:43 AM
@OceanSpray you also never replied to this,


What? Prove george is better? Last time they played gallinari kind of ummm, outplayed him. Plus gallinari started the season injured.

Short-term contracts?

Lawson - 5 more years
Gallinari - 4 more years
Chandler - 4 more years
Mcgee - 4 more years
miller - 3 more years
Kufous - 3 more years
Hamilton, Faried, Fournier - rookie deals


What does it matter if Cleveland are the same team in the future? They'll still suck we should all hope they aren't the same team.

TrueFan420
02-10-2013, 01:22 AM
Im hurt by being called stupid by you. I can read trust me I've got my degree.

The warriors have got destroyed by the nuggets this year. The nuggets are better, and younger. Those are facts. What you post is not fact. Curry has no chance of becoming a superstar. He's a score first point guard who is an incredible shooter. Thats all. To be a superstar you have to have the "potential" to be at least top 2 in your position. Your using the term superstar lightly, he's not even an all star. A better statement would be (he has the potential to be an all star).


Also insulting people in a forum won't get you anywhere kid. You don't look smart calling someone stupid in a forum.
Curry has proven to be much more than just a shooter and should have been an allstar this year. To say he doesn't have the potential to be a superstar is wrong. You might think he won't ever reach it but he has the potential. He can pass very well and has improved on d but for him to ever be a superstar he needs to progress much more on the defensive end.

Edit: nuggets are even with the warriors in my mind. They match up very very well with the warriors and do seem to have their number at this moment. However, Bogut isn't back in the swing of things yet and the loss of rush was a massive hit for their bench. He was their best wing defender and a good slasher something they're missing very much.

JEDean89
02-10-2013, 03:07 AM
Curry has proven to be much more than just a shooter and should have been an allstar this year. To say he doesn't have the potential to be a superstar is wrong. You might think he won't ever reach it but he has the potential. He can pass very well and has improved on d but for him to ever be a superstar he needs to progress much more on the defensive end.

Edit: nuggets are even with the warriors in my mind. They match up very very well with the warriors and do seem to have their number at this moment. However, Bogut isn't back in the swing of things yet and the loss of rush was a massive hit for their bench. He was their best wing defender and a good slasher something they're missing very much.

GSW is a good team with a bright future and i think steph curry is going to be a top 5 pg in the league but superstar is a term reserved for top 10 players in the league. I don't consider tony parker or kyrie irving a superstar and i think steph is just behind them. He is however definitely a perennial all star pg but there are just so many good pg's in this league right now. GS got great picks in the last couple drafts but i think they need to improve their perimeter defense in the starting lineup to take that next step. Bogut Lee is a great frontcourt but I want to see Bogut come back strong after the allstar break. If he lost 10-15 pounds and really put the care into his body he could be a beast. Simply put GSW have every reason to be excited, they will get better from within over the years and at this point need to worry about easier pieces to acquire, like a true 6th man and a bigger perimeter defensive specialist.

Toronto is a team that I think got ****** luck with Bargnani and should honestly have waited to draft Wiggins or Parker instead of trading for Gay. I think Gay will make them a better team but a Lowry, Derozan, Gay as your 3 best players isn't striking too much fear into many teams yet. Now they will be a 7th seed at best this time next year and it remains to be seen if they can build a team that scores by comittee.

Cleveland should be thrilled about Kyrie and if they can snag a gem like muhammed and bring waiters in off the bench, they could have a really nice backcourt and then tank next year for either Parker or Wiggins and bam, they have some serious talent. the thing is though the draft is crap shoot and there is a chance the cavs get like a 7th or 8th pick in the draft with so many teams trying to tank with so much top heavy talent in the 2014 draft. Still, Kyrie can be a #1 option if he has a strong #2 but if he can get Wiggins, Parker or Muhammed and one of them can be a true #1 option like melo, durant or kobe status you have the next OKC thunder. We do have yet to see if Byron Scott can become a good coach and they can develop waiters and thompson into justifiable top 5 picks.

Now the Nuggets which I'm obviously bias towards but you can't blame me that the numbers concur with my bias. The Nuggets are the trying to do something that hasn't really been done with maybe the exception of the pistons and that is to get 9 really good players to play 25-30 mins a night but not to have a guy that is a 25+ ppg scorer. Instead of iso heavy offense and stiffling defense as the key to team success they have built a fluid offense that is built off a devastating ability to create and finish on the fastbreak. If you've watched them at all the last couple months you will notice stretches of the game where it seems like every other basket comes off a transition. They score in transition when the opponent misses and when they score, few teams do that. They have a 9 man rotation of which 7 are among the best in the league at finishing in transition. Their defense is a work in progress as they have two young bigs in Faried and Koufus who have a lot of work to do to become elite defenders and ty lawson who is generously 5'11" which is a big disadvantage on the bigger pg's. Still they are a middle of the pack defensive team and are getting better. What makes the Nuggets future so promising though is the sheer amount assets that this team has and the financial flexibility to adjust and improve. They have picks, recent 1st round draft picks and fringe allstar talents who aren't overpaid. in fact i would say no one is overpaid on the nuggets except Javale McGee and that is the nature of young freak of nature 7 footers, they get overpaid. Still, Lawson, Koufus, Mozzy, Gallo, Chandler, Faried, Miller these are good contracts that are all like 3-4 year contracts (with the exception of mozzy). Another thing that the Nuggets have right now that none of the other 3 teams have is playoff experience and they have 2 years of it both of which were good learning experiences, last years 7 game Laker series and coming out party for the nuggets was terrific for the young players. I know it's still only february but we all remember when OKC pushed LA to 7 games in Round 1, the year after that they were in the Conference Finals, then last year they were in the Finals where they are probably gonna be again. I think OKC and Denver are gonna be locked in an epic divisional rivalry over the next 3-4 years at least. OKC has a very bright future especially if they can get another star in this years draft with one of their 2 lotto picks. If they get a good center of which there appear to be a few, they will be unstoppable. Still right now OKC has holes, they need a true Center first and foremost and then they need another frontcourt player to come off the bench. If they get Bennet and Len in the draft, then the league is ****ed. Still I am proud of what Masai Ujiri has done in his short time in Denver and so soon after it looked like the Nuggs were f'ed when they had to trade melo, they are already arguably a better team.

DumDum
02-10-2013, 03:25 AM
Toronto Raptors....

Kyle Lowry/Rudy Gay/Bargnani are in their prime all 26 years old, Demar Derozan is only 23, Terrance Ross is barley 21, Jonas who will turn into the best center in the league in a few years is only 20, oh yeah their Vet Amir Johnson has been in the league for 8 years and only 24.



Dont get ahead of self their champ

DumDum
02-10-2013, 03:28 AM
Denver and it's not close, not close at all.

Clevland and Toronto may have nice pieces, but they still suck.

+1

c.c.
02-10-2013, 11:37 AM
The Rockets is the youngest team in the league and should be mentioned in this thread instead this hopeless teams I see

rapsjaysfan88
02-10-2013, 11:54 AM
LMAO.

Aside from that he's been in the league 7 years and he's 25, will be 26 in a few weeks. He is also not been getting significantly better, so stating his age doesn't say anything.

Actually since getting a chance to start he's avg over 14/12/2 shooting over 50 per from the field, over 70% from the line , without having a single play run for him while finally staying out of foul trouble. If that's not improved what is?

Htownballa1622
02-10-2013, 01:40 PM
Rockets.

xxplayerxx23
02-10-2013, 01:48 PM
Denver is very close now. GSW and cavs are next.

KniCks4LiFe
02-10-2013, 01:49 PM
The Rockets is the youngest team in the league and should be mentioned in this thread instead this hopeless teams I see

I wasn't going to say nothing. But yeh when I saw who started this thread it made me wonder. :laugh2:

Answer to this thread is the Houston Rockets. B/c Denver don't got no James Harden and if Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons show up on the same night, it's over, 15-20 pt. blowout over.

JEDean89
02-10-2013, 02:34 PM
I wasn't going to say nothing. But yeh when I saw who started this thread it made me wonder. :laugh2:

Answer to this thread is the Houston Rockets. B/c Denver don't got no James Harden and if Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons show up on the same night, it's over, 15-20 pt. blowout over.

you obviously didn't see what iggy did to harden last time they played

BallIsAll
02-10-2013, 03:28 PM
you obviously didn't see what iggy did to harden last time they played

The last 2 times they played.

todu82
02-10-2013, 03:59 PM
Cleveland in the east, Golden State in the West.

AirJaster
02-10-2013, 04:09 PM
Denver Nuggets, GS Warriors or Cleveland Cavs? All have a nice core, GS has Curry and Klay, CLE has Kyrie and Thompson and Denver is just well....Denver since Melo left, a good but not a great team.

Who do you think has more potential to be a REAL contender in the next couple years?

your forgetting the Pacers

papipapsmanny
02-10-2013, 04:25 PM
What about the Wizards?

Wall is 22 and between his injury and the lockout I am definetly willing to give him more time, plus he is doing well.

Beal looks like he will be nice

Seraphin is a solid bench guy, and Jordan crawford can basically be his brother. A huge volume scorer who is inefficient but makes some crazy *** shots

Never thought I would say this, but Martell Webster is in his prime, and he done a very nice job at the SF position since Wall has been back.

Plus they could get a guy like Len or Noel in this year's draft.

No one ever talks about them but since Wall has returned they have been a much different team

TheNumber37
02-10-2013, 04:28 PM
Cavs because they don't have a huge payroll and have the best player of all in Kyrie going forward.

hugepatsfan
02-10-2013, 04:37 PM
You need a superstar to be a legit title contender in the NBA. CLE is the only one of those teams that has a player with that potential. DEN is always going to be a good team that loses in the 2nd/3rd round. Maybe they get lucky like DAL did a few years ago and sneak in a title. Warriors look like their on their way to being another DEN.

CLE is the farthest away but I think they're the only team the OP mentioned that has a chance to get to top contender status. And that's going to take a lot of luck in the lottery and FA.

TEECOOP
02-10-2013, 04:40 PM
How can u have this thread in not say the Houston rockets thats the second youngest team plus only one player away from being up there with the best team in the league

Htownballa1622
02-10-2013, 05:33 PM
you obviously didn't see what iggy did to harden last time they played

Yeah but let's be serious. Iguodala is a good defender. He's not better than harden at all overall.

Therefore, your sample size of a couple games is pointless.

Sixerlover
02-10-2013, 05:36 PM
Out of those 3 teams in terms of future potential I'll go with Cleveland. They have the best young player out of the 3, as well as a couple young pieces around him and probably another top 5 ish pick this year.

Raps08-09 Champ
02-10-2013, 05:36 PM
Cleveland. Irving is great and they'll sign Lebron.

tp13baby
02-10-2013, 05:42 PM
I personally like Karl but I do not think they will get get past the 2nd round with him as their coach to be honest, thats just my personal opinion, not based on anything haha

Karl is frustrating to say the least.

tp13baby
02-10-2013, 05:47 PM
Denver is the 4th youngest team in the league. Players do get better as they age into their prime.
Im a homer, but its between Denver and Golden State. Denver is usually healthier than Golden State. Toronto has potential. So does Cleveland. How do people think Lebron and Wade and Melo got to elite level. Born that way? Or grew into their prime?

tp13baby
02-10-2013, 05:48 PM
The Rockets is the youngest team in the league and should be mentioned in this thread instead this hopeless teams I see

Hopeless teams? Denver walks all over Houston. You mad we haven't had a problem beating Houston this year?

tp13baby
02-10-2013, 05:51 PM
I wasn't going to say nothing. But yeh when I saw who started this thread it made me wonder. :laugh2:

Answer to this thread is the Houston Rockets. B/c Denver don't got no James Harden and if Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons show up on the same night, it's over, 15-20 pt. blowout over.

You haven't watched Denver beat Houston twice on the road and once at home? It doesn't matter who shows up. Iggy holds Harden to less than 20 ppg and Lawson absolutely tears Lin up.

dalton749
02-10-2013, 05:53 PM
clevland because lebron is going back.
but without him raps cuz they currently have 4 players who have been talked about as borderline allstars the last 2 years and still have two rookies in valanciunas and ross who will be very good in a couple of years

Htownballa1622
02-10-2013, 05:58 PM
Hopeless teams? Denver walks all over Houston. You mad we haven't had a problem beating Houston this year?

No doubt Denver is better than Houston right now but of the two teams who has the best single player? Plus they're the youngest team in the league with four brand new starters for this team. Plus all this cap space to sign a second star.

So, Houston potential> Denver potential.

joshhorvath
02-10-2013, 06:07 PM
I'd personally, not jsut because im a Raps fan.. But you have a closer (potential superstar) in Rudy Gay, you have Gays bff in Lowry at the PG and you have Derozan also. Thats a SOLID 3 to build around, not to mention you have Valanciunas, that has strong potential to be one of the top defending C in the coming years. Not to mention you have Ross as a rookie as well.

They suck right now, but 1-2 years, they'll be in the playoffs year in and year out. Right now, Toronto has the edge over Clevland, Detroit and Washington, and possibly GS. Denver however, they've already proven their team, so they should be top ranked in the OP.

joshhorvath
02-10-2013, 06:09 PM
But Houston.. lol.. they may be the youngest team.. but considering their best player is James Harden.. like common, you have Lin as your starting PG.. not really the kind of PG you want as your franchise PG..

lol, please
02-10-2013, 06:17 PM
Golden State.

Htownballa1622
02-10-2013, 06:28 PM
But Houston.. lol.. they may be the youngest team.. but considering their best player is James Harden.. like common, you have Lin as your starting PG.. not really the kind of PG you want as your franchise PG..

Can you elaborate? I don't understand a word you're saying.

Are you saying Harden isn't a good first option after just saying Rudy Gay has superstar potential???
:confused:

JEDean89
02-10-2013, 08:16 PM
Can you elaborate? I don't understand a word you're saying.

Are you saying Harden isn't a good first option after just saying Rudy Gay has superstar potential???
:confused:

houston has a good future but having James Harden isn't going to guarantee massive potential. Nuggs are currently 4th in the West, Rockets are 7th and I don't see them moving up to homeseed advantage for another year or two by when, the nuggets will probably be even better. your logic is seen through your purely homer lens and you forget what the nuggs have done to the rockets this year.

Htownballa1622
02-10-2013, 08:54 PM
houston has a good future but having James Harden isn't going to guarantee massive potential. Nuggs are currently 4th in the West, Rockets are 7th and I don't see them moving up to homeseed advantage for another year or two by when, the nuggets will probably be even better. your logic is seen through your purely homer lens and you forget what the nuggs have done to the rockets this year.

Well... this is a superstar driven league. James Harden could go on the nuggets today and immediately be the best player on that team. Denver is good. Very good. Only thing is how much better will they get if they're a bunch of above average 2nd and 3rd options on a team? My logic is in no way being a homer either.

We have tons of cap space and this is the youngest team in the league. I don't forget what the nuggets have done to the rox THIS year either. But like you said. THIS YEAR.

This thread is about POTENTIAL.

albertajaysfan
02-11-2013, 01:21 AM
Cavs. Teams built around the best players have the most potential. A solid team built around Kyrie is better than a solid team built around Gallo and Lawson and same goes for Curry and Lee. Cavs obviously need to add some pieces, if were talking right here and now with nothing but gradual improvement from young players, than GSW.

Cleveland has such a great track record of surrounding superstars with solid players.....oh wait

Curry and Lee may not be the most amazing combo. But GS have way more potential here. they play in the better conference and are actually going to make the playoffs this year.

Cleveland has Kyrie who is amazing but the rest of their team is meh. Varajeo is awesome at what he does but who else do they have. And don't parade around Thompson. I am Canadian and can even see with my homer glasses on that he will never be a real force in the game. Solid back up big on a decent team or a defender and rebounder paired with a a big with some kind of touch inside. Waiters is so so. For too much on this team has to change for it too truly go anywhere. It is possible but at this point in time looking at their assets I have so little faith they will get the draft right. If they don't pick #1 I never seem to understand why the pick who they pick. Pretty sure I am not alone on that one either.

Denver is a tricky one. The depth they have is unreal. And anyone who says they can't compete in the playoffs has never been to Denver and tried to run around. It is not the same as doing it at or close to sea level. That is a huge advantage that team will have playing against any team not named Utah. Not sure if they can play the style they want throughout the playoffs. Maybe the first round or two. All depends if they can get it done in the half court.

But I still take GSW because of Curry, Thompson and Barnes. Lee has been great for them this season but it is those three who will carry them in the future.

sciferguy
02-11-2013, 01:53 AM
NBA has quite a few good or potentially good young teams which is kinda nice right now.

I'm putting in my nomination for the Trailblazers of course which haven't been mentioned once..

Toronto (moreso) and Cleveland are an extremely good draft away of becoming a playoff force in the East but history usually shows they will both stay irrelevant in the wins column.

Denver will always be Denver and Karl will have them in the middle of the pack but not in trophy contention as usual.

Houston is surprising this year but they need someone to help take on a scoring role for hardens sake.

Don't know if I consider golden state a young team but I hope curry can stay healthy long term to see what their front office can do for him.

tp13baby
02-11-2013, 02:46 AM
Well... this is a superstar driven league. James Harden could go on the nuggets today and immediately be the best player on that team. Denver is good. Very good. Only thing is how much better will they get if they're a bunch of above average 2nd and 3rd options on a team? My logic is in no way being a homer either.

We have tons of cap space and this is the youngest team in the league. I don't forget what the nuggets have done to the rox THIS year either. But like you said. THIS YEAR.

This thread is about POTENTIAL.

I was replying to someone who said these teams are hopeless. None of them are. He started saying if Lin would play good and Harden it would be a blow out. But the fact is Lawson>>>>>>Lin now and down the road. Harden is great but going up against one of the best defenders in the league. And the results have shown.

I agree Karl isn't the guy for a playoff run. But he is the right guy in developing talent. Cause Denver has enough talent to compete for the next years to come. He has done it without top 5 talent drafts. He inherited Melo. Developing Ty, Mcgee, Faried, Kosta, Gallo, Ill Will

Tmath
02-11-2013, 02:48 AM
Golden state & Denver are clearly ahead of the curve.

I think Toronto & Houston are closer to taking the next step compared to Cleveland and Detroit though.

Cleveland could surprise next season. I worry about their defense though.

alexander_37
02-12-2013, 07:35 PM
what about them ? are you asking wholl become stars?

I think he means Houston has the most potential. Considering they are still the youngest team in the league IIRC.

alexander_37
02-12-2013, 07:42 PM
NBA has quite a few good or potentially good young teams which is kinda nice right now.

I'm putting in my nomination for the Trailblazers of course which haven't been mentioned once..

Toronto (moreso) and Cleveland are an extremely good draft away of becoming a playoff force in the East but history usually shows they will both stay irrelevant in the wins column.

Denver will always be Denver and Karl will have them in the middle of the pack but not in trophy contention as usual.

Houston is surprising this year but they need someone to help take on a scoring role for hardens sake.

Don't know if I consider golden state a young team but I hope curry can stay healthy long term to see what their front office can do for him.


houston has a good future but having James Harden isn't going to guarantee massive potential. Nuggs are currently 4th in the West, Rockets are 7th and I don't see them moving up to homeseed advantage for another year or two by when, the nuggets will probably be even better. your logic is seen through your purely homer lens and you forget what the nuggs have done to the rockets this year.

Houston has the most potential because they have a superstar 2 guard who scores at will, a true center who is top 5 in rebounding and gets a lot of blocks and contested shots. Lin has been a slow starter but is picking things up pretty well. Him and Harden are 4th and 8th in steals which is pretty solid. They have a ton of talent at power forward and a great glue guy in Parsons.

Not to mention they have cap room for a Max player and more.