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VicTheWizard
02-03-2013, 03:54 AM
I think Shved is better than Rubio, he's a much better shooter for sure, and they've been about even in assists despite handling the ball a lot less, I know Rubio is coming off an injury, but he's already been back for a while and Shved is still out performing him. The wolves should definitely take serious consideration to make Shved their PG of the future, instead of Rubio.

RipCity32
02-03-2013, 04:18 AM
Rubio>Shved

lakers4sho
02-03-2013, 04:21 AM
shved was better overall than rubio was in europe, so...

sep11ie
02-03-2013, 04:22 AM
Pete and Repete were sitting on a bridge, Pete fell off, who was left?

UPRock
02-03-2013, 04:33 AM
lol no, Rubio is the best Point Guard in that team.

ILLUSIONIST^248
02-03-2013, 04:39 AM
Crooner coming for your head.

Hellcrooner
02-03-2013, 04:52 AM
really, making comparisons to a dude that is a month removed from one of the worst injuries you can get playing basket?

Whats next? nate robinson > rose when he fails to regain his real shape for some months?

:rolleyes:

SugeKnight
02-03-2013, 05:05 AM
Barea>both

smith&wesson
02-03-2013, 05:13 AM
lol @ the Rubio to Rose comparison

YouCan'tBeatLA
02-03-2013, 05:17 AM
lol @ the Rubio to Rose comparison

I think Crooner was comparing their situation, which is the same. Not really a comparison on talent, which Rose obviously has more of.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 05:22 AM
Shved is a baller, but he is inconsistent, is at best an average defender, and while I love his playmaking ability, seems suited to be the lead dog on a 2nd unit. Rubio is an elite defender, and the more I watch him, might be the best passer I have ever seen.

Look at Shved's season shooting numbers. While I honeslty think he will be a really, really good NBA player, even if its what I said, the leader of the 2nd unit. Rubio has star potential. Shved does not.

lilchuckdoubles
02-03-2013, 05:49 AM
i dont know about no star potential for shved. Is it too much to think that shved could have a career similar to ginobli's?

5ass
02-03-2013, 06:29 AM
i dont know about no star potential for shved. Is it too much to think that shved could have a career similar to ginobli's?

i dont think he'll ever reach that level. Ginobili is a hell of a player.

John Walls Era
02-03-2013, 06:40 AM
Can't trust those soft Barcelona products.

John Walls Era
02-03-2013, 06:41 AM
really, making comparisons to a dude that is a month removed from one of the worst injuries you can get playing basket?

Whats next? nate robinson > rose when he fails to regain his real shape for some months?

:rolleyes:

why don't you open a lecture hall for **** sakes. Rubio is all flash and no substance. Not a surprise since he came from the school of crap in Spain (club team).

Hellcrooner
02-03-2013, 06:49 AM
lol @ the Rubio to Rose comparison

arent both back from the SAME INJURY?

thats the comparison, not their game or whatever.

Celtics33
02-03-2013, 07:15 AM
Rubio is coming of a major knee injury, it'll take some time for him to regain form.

KingPosey
02-03-2013, 07:33 AM
I love ******** on Rubio as much as anyone, because he is super overrated across the board, but this seems extremely unfair and premature.

dee279
02-03-2013, 09:17 AM
Fabio<Rubio

Head<Shved

They both lose.

JAZZNC
02-03-2013, 01:33 PM
Pretty poor comparison right now. I think that the first of next season would be the start of a "fair" comparison. Once Rubio fully comes back from the knee I believe he'll be the much better player. I hated to see him go down, really loved his game. Just love those kind of pure passers, beautiful thing to watch on the court.

ManRam
02-03-2013, 01:39 PM
Rubio's scoring ability is next to none right now. Shved has been better this year IMO, but Rubio's upside is far higher. Factoring in defense too and it further skews towards Ricky big time. Him returning from a major injury isn't something to ignore either.


But I'm starting to wonder when we start worrying about Rubio's scoring. He's like a far worse version of Rondo in terms of scoring ability, and even Rondo can be a liability out there because of that. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, and he's slowly improving...but yeah. He's gotta work on that.

Chronz
02-03-2013, 02:08 PM
really, making comparisons to a dude that is a month removed from one of the worst injuries you can get playing basket?

Whats next? nate robinson > rose when he fails to regain his real shape for some months?

:rolleyes:

Good analogy

Chronz
02-03-2013, 02:08 PM
i dont know about no star potential for shved. Is it too much to think that shved could have a career similar to ginobli's?

Manu was a star

AddiX
02-03-2013, 02:12 PM
I dunno if shved is better but Rubio does not impress, at least not for the hype amount of talk we have to hear about him.

ShadyOne
02-03-2013, 03:03 PM
i dont know about no star potential for shved. Is it too much to think that shved could have a career similar to ginobli's?

Seriously?

Dude has played 40 games, and in those games, really can't shoot straight, and can't defend. Ginobili is criminally underrated IMO. If he didn't play in the system he did, the total team-first mentality there, he had the skill, talent, mentality, and style to have been a star in this league. Even as it stands now, being a 6th man, he almost was that for a while.

So I'd say no, he won't have a career similar to Manu..

ShadyOne
02-03-2013, 03:09 PM
I dunno if shved is better but Rubio does not impress, at least not for the hype amount of talk we have to hear about him.

I think he shows flashes where we see where the hype came from. But I'd agree, he is spoken about like the second coming, and in that regard, he leaves most wanting...

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 03:17 PM
i dont know about no star potential for shved. Is it too much to think that shved could have a career similar to ginobli's?

No, I don't.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 03:20 PM
Rubio's scoring ability is next to none right now. Shved has been better this year IMO, but Rubio's upside is far higher. Factoring in defense too and it further skews towards Ricky big time. Him returning from a major injury isn't something to ignore either.


But I'm starting to wonder when we start worrying about Rubio's scoring. He's like a far worse version of Rondo in terms of scoring ability, and even Rondo can be a liability out there because of that. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, and he's slowly improving...but yeah. He's gotta work on that.

In Rubio's defense, he has looked much better in the scoring column recently (last 4 games, 15-32, 10.25 ppg), his knee seems to be coming around. But it is FOR SURE something I have brought up in the Wolves board. His ceiling is flat out limited to good starter if he doesn't at least become reasonable in the scoring facet of the game. The good news is he shown the ability to draw fouls, and is a fairly good FT shooter. All he needs to do is improve his at the rim finishing ability, and he is fine. Easier said than done.

His defense and passing are going to be elite. But he must learn how to score the ball, even at a below average rate if he wants to become a star.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 03:23 PM
I dunno if shved is better but Rubio does not impress, at least not for the hype amount of talk we have to hear about him.

Do you even watch him play, outside the 2 times a year the Knicks play him? His hype comes from him making passes no other guard would even try.

HowFit
02-03-2013, 03:26 PM
Give Rubio some time...

iliketurtles24
02-03-2013, 03:44 PM
Haha, i see Shved as more of a Sg who can distribute as well, so the comparison isnt really there...

Rubio has star potential, Shved has a ounce of it. Rubio just came off of knee injury.

Rubio is better, but i am glad to have Shved on my team too.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 03:45 PM
Haha, i see Shved as more of a Sg who can distribute as well, so the comparison isnt really there...

Rubio has star potential, Shved has a ounce of it. Rubio just came off of knee injury.

Rubio is better, but i am glad to have Shved on my team too.

Pretty much. I do see Shved as the leader of the 2nd unit, where he can control the ball a ton and be a playmaker. Kind of a Manu role, without being Manu.

LaLa_Land
02-03-2013, 04:15 PM
shved is an infinitely better shooter, he's a bit more athletic, and he's two inches taller. But there end the attributes that sway in Shved's favor.

Rubio is a transcendent, Nash-like ballhandler. He is the type of rare talent that you can just give the ball to and say, "Here, go get your teammates some easy hoops". He hasn't drawn Marovich/Nash comparisons for no reason. He has worked on his shooting, but he still looks like he's pushing it rather than generating a more natural release by exaggerating the wrist flick. I expect it to get better. In addition to his pure PG talent, he is known world wide already and is a great marketing ploy. He is the type of guy that can attract other stars to come play with him. The injury he's coming off of is pretty serious, so give him a while to get back to where he was.

If Rubio is a 7.5 or 8 out of 10, Shved is a 6.5 or 7.

AI4MVP
02-03-2013, 04:22 PM
I think both players have star potential. But one is all star potential, one is super star potential.

Shved is one of the best true combo guards in the league because he is the true definition of the word. I love when people see a small shooting guard and call him a combo guard. Alexey Shved can actually play both positions the way theyre supposed to be played. He is a great scorer, and hes actually also a great passer. Unfortunately, with JJ Barea holding the ball for most of the time Shved is on the floor, we havent had the opportunity to see that.

Rubio, Rubio, Rubio. Although he truly defines what it means to impact a team with more than stats, have his stats really been that bad lately? Hes been playing bench player minutes to start with, and for a player coming off injury, hes been impressive lately. Yesterday he had 9 points & 7 assists in less than 2 quarters minutes worth of a game.

What separates Rubio and Shved. Shved is a very good scorer. Hes a very good passer. But Rubio, could quite possibly end up being the greatest passer in the history of the game. I'm aware of the likes of Cousy, Magic, Kidd, Nash, etc. but I've said this since I saw him as a 15 year old kid in Spain, that Ricky Rubio will end up as the greatest to ever pass a basketball. There is ZERO deficiency in his passing game.

On top of that, Rubio is a phenomenal defender and one of the best ball stealers in the game.

As for Rubio's scoring, he has shown as of late that you do in fact have to respect his ability to drive to the basket. Hes had good shooting percentages the last few games. Hes never going to explode for 40, but he doesnt need to. Luckily, there are 4 other teammates on the floor, and noone does a better job at setting them up.

SACNYY
02-03-2013, 04:23 PM
Shved is awesome

AddiX
02-03-2013, 04:28 PM
Do you even watch him play, outside the 2 times a year the Knicks play him? His hype comes from him making passes no other guard would even try.

Yes I've watched, a few highlight passes doesn't make a star, especially when the rest of his offense is far below average. I see no development in him from last year to this year either. Yes I know he's coming off an injury, but he's been lackluster IMO.

lakers4sho
02-03-2013, 04:56 PM
the knock on rubio is that he thinks of passing the ball when shooting it

when he gets over that he'll be a superstar

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 06:22 PM
Yes I've watched, a few highlight passes doesn't make a star, especially when the rest of his offense is far below average. I see no development in him from last year to this year either. Yes I know he's coming off an injury, but he's been lackluster IMO.

His last 4 games, he has his burst back, is scoring at the rim, and is playing his normal in your face and head defense. It takes time. He had no lift, and was just slow the first month.

His scoring will continue to be a problem until he at least learns how to finish. But his passing, playmaking, and defense are on the path to elite. Hell, he might be the best natural passer I have seen in two decades.

Hawkeye15
02-03-2013, 06:23 PM
I really like Shved. Rubio is meant to lead a team. Shved is probably better off leading the 2nd unit.

topdog
02-03-2013, 10:01 PM
I was wondering when this topic was going to come up after seeing the last couple of box scores. Both are gamers who look to make an impact and amp it up in the 4th quarter. It's hard to say right now what Shved will be.

As far as Rubio, the New Orleans game was a great example of the player he is for these reasons:

1. Taking charges - he had at least 2
2. Defense - he knows when to cheat off of his man and makes the inbound a dangerous play
3. Desire to take criticism and get better - Rubio is now looking to score at the rim knowing that he is seen as a pure passer
4. Vision - it's not about the passes between the legs, it's about seeing plays develop and putting the ball where the player is going to be open
5. Team-first mentality - Rubio wants to play and it hurts him not to but he doesn't then force things in the minutes he does play and he always cheers and supports the players out on the floor.

It's not fair to say anything about Rubio this year when he didn't have a summer to work on his game and is still making his way back only 2 months in (with setbacks early in his return to the court).

thechom80
02-04-2013, 03:51 AM
Crooner compared Nate and Rose not Rubio and Rose.

sventhedog
02-04-2013, 03:56 AM
too early to judge.

- it takes a while to get your groove after an injury.

- injuries make the transition even harder since you seem to get new players every time someone is hurt.

- another thing is rubio's strength is really passing. if you were playing, would you prefer passing to scorers like kevin love, brandon roy, etc? do you expect him to excel when all you can pass to are below average scorers.

- rubio is very young so he hasn't figured out his game except for his assists.