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tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:04 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8905486/lebron-james-think-paid-value-current-cba


Just when he hadn't done anything stupid for awhile.....:facepalm:

I'll reserve my opinion on this one for now, just curious to see the thoughts on this

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:05 PM
How is speaking facts stupid?

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:06 PM
Whether you agree or not, I think his PR people would call it stupid.

Ezio
02-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Chose the sport imo. But his sponsorship are probably where he gets most of his income.

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:07 PM
Ans it's a matter of opinion not fact....

jsthornton7
02-01-2013, 07:09 PM
"I get no credit for taking less money" - Lebron

What does he want a cookie? - Kobe

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:10 PM
He's not saying anything that isn't true.

And he was asked the question, and answered. Not like he was itching to bring it up.

Many feel the CBA is a bit flawed, and I've seen some nice discussion about that today because of this...



He does make 10 million less than Kobe this year...which is pretty cool. I mean, not for him...but it's cool. He's probably worth $10 million more than Kobe at this point.

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:11 PM
Whether you agree or not, I think his PR people would call it stupid.
Depends on the context of what precipitated that thought. Was he asked something or did it just come out the blue? Either way, its not a big deal to me.


Ans it's a matter of opinion not fact....
Not even remotely opinion, there have been several articles on the financial impact James has had on the NBA and his teams. Hes basically one of the few who carries the league.

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:11 PM
And Latrell Srewell has kids to feed......

justinnum1
02-01-2013, 07:11 PM
haters will find anything to hate on

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:12 PM
Oh.

And worst poll ever. Not even funny even if it's from a blatant troll.

Seguin
02-01-2013, 07:14 PM
Yeah.... The 3rd option makes you look like a butthurt toddler, op.

Philapsychosis
02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
How is this anything negative? Dude said he'll gladly take pay cuts for the good of the team. pretty sure the OP is just banking on people to come in and cry about this without actually reading anything.

If anything it's more of a shot on the CBA.

Sly Guy
02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
Whether you agree or not, I think his PR people would call it stupid.

this. LoL, I don't get why athletes continue to make stupid statements in public like this. Is he underpaid? Yeah, of course he is. He brings in a lot more revenue to the Heat franchise and and the NBA than his salary covers by a long shot. But when you're making $16million a year plus millions more in endorsements, you just gotta shut up and count your blessings. Most people don't see $16million in salary in their entire lives, and if he were 6" shorter, he probably wouldn't either.

Yeah, you're underpaid, but saying stuff like this makes you look like a douche.

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
He's sold and marketed to make money chronz, he's a product and a brand name. Jordans (the shoes) sell alot, make themselves and others money, but their not hardly the most quality shoes. His monetary value to the league isn't all attributable to him, whether he's O robertson and Wilt in one or not ( he;s not, I know some of ytou are considering it), without NBA backing, PR marketing, Nike commercials, etc, he wouldn't make as much money for thet laegue and therefore not be worth as much to them

Sssmush
02-01-2013, 07:15 PM
His classic line after one of the worst teams, the Kings, sold for $525M was "why the hell did we have a lockout?"

gotoHcarolina52
02-01-2013, 07:16 PM
"Financially, I'll sacrifice for the team. It shows for some of the top guys, it isn't all about money. That's the genuine side of this, it's about winning."

A winner and a champ :clap:

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:18 PM
Please tell me how I'm trolling? I'm restrained in my comments because I don't want to be inflammatory

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:18 PM
LeBron does make more in endorsement money than any non-golf American athlete. I don't think he's looking for a pity party here. Rather point out how stupid the CBA is to an extent...

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:19 PM
Please tell me how I'm trolling? I'm restrained in my comments because I don't want to be inflammatory

Uh...

"Depends on how much he has to share with the refs"

Also, you can't have poll answers be in question form. It hurt my head trying to decide how I should vote.

TylerSL
02-01-2013, 07:20 PM
Lebron has something great right now, he wont screw that up for more money.

TylerSL
02-01-2013, 07:21 PM
Please tell me how I'm trolling? I'm restrained in my comments because I don't want to be inflammatory

The ref part in the poll isnt trolling to you????

TylerSL
02-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Uh...

"Depends on how much he has to share with the refs"

Also, you can't have poll answers be in question form. It hurt my head trying to decide how I should vote.

this!!

I just didnt vote.......

abe_froman
02-01-2013, 07:22 PM
he def is,his impact on team performance(any star,but he being chief among them)is very underrated and worth its weight in gold,ontop of that the viewers and sales he generates for his team is so immense.

there was an econ article a few years ago about how much he should be making,if only i could remember were i saw it.but the numbers are truly striking

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right about the question form thing though, fair point, maybe if I have time to post 50,000 more times I'll get my etiquette down

jayjay33
02-01-2013, 07:23 PM
Ans it's a matter of opinion not fact....


While i do think he's under paid. Technically your right, Theirs not set percentage of what someone should be paid based on how much they generate. So if someone generates 100mil in revenue for ex, how much that person "should" be paid 1mil or 99mil is opinion.

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:24 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right about the question form thing though, fair point, maybe if I have time to post 50,000 more times I'll get my etiquette down

:laugh2:

Fair enough.

ATX
02-01-2013, 07:25 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8905486/lebron-james-think-paid-value-current-cba


Just when he hadn't done anything stupid for awhile.....:facepalm:

I'll reserve my opinion on this one for now, just curious to see the thoughts on this

Ban yourself.

Seguin
02-01-2013, 07:25 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right about the question form thing though, fair point, maybe if I have time to post 50,000 more times I'll get my etiquette down

The problem isn't the amout of posts you have, it's that you're not that smart

bklynny67
02-01-2013, 07:27 PM
Lebron says he deserves credit for taking less with to sign with MIA.

Hopefully people realize that's a bunch of BS, cuz of the tax laws in FLA, it's already been proven that he will make more money with the contract he signed with MIA, then he would have if he signed a max deal with another team, for example NY.

Nice try though, I guess......

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:27 PM
Sequin, I think you are supposed to be in the MENSA forum this isn't the place for highly intelligent discourse

raiderposting
02-01-2013, 07:27 PM
Lebron is vastly overpaid. come to LA and we'll give you a 30 million dollar contract and even more endorsements. You can actually become the Billionaire you want.

WVNowitzki
02-01-2013, 07:29 PM
I do believe he is worth more money, yes...but for him to say " I don't get credit for taking less money," is BEYOND ridiculous. What does he expect...people to tell him every time he comes to the gym, or have these mooks at ESPN mention every game that he is worth more? That's such an outlandish claim, dude get's enough attention and *** kissing as it is.

BigBlueCrew
02-01-2013, 07:30 PM
damn, lebron is being a little chatterbox all of a sudden

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:34 PM
And Latrell Srewell has kids to feed......

Funny. Considering he was getting overpaid and had an over inflated sense of self worth. Whereas Bron knows hes worth so much more and takes paycuts anyways.

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:37 PM
He's sold and marketed to make money chronz, he's a product and a brand name. Jordans (the shoes) sell alot, make themselves and others money, but their not hardly the most quality shoes. His monetary value to the league isn't all attributable to him, whether he's O robertson and Wilt in one or not ( he;s not, I know some of ytou are considering it), without NBA backing, PR marketing, Nike commercials, etc, he wouldn't make as much money for thet laegue and therefore not be worth as much to them
MJ was underpaid for most of his career as well and he will be the first one to tell you about. Not sure what your point is, the NBA markets players (above teams mind you) because of their appeal, that falls on the individual not the NBA. Do you have any idea what Cleveland was worth before he showed up? His presence has a trinkle down effect on not just a franchise, but its city.

Doogolas
02-01-2013, 07:37 PM
Funny. Considering he was getting overpaid and had an over inflated sense of self worth. Whereas Bron knows hes worth so much more and takes paycuts anyways.

Eh, he makes a shade more gross than he would on a regular max because of taxes. And it was his choice, he deserves no credit for it and shouldn't ask for it. He's the best basketball player in the world, that should be enough for him.

And as much as I defend the absurd amounts of money these guys make, the fact is, not a single one should be publicly saying a word about money, even if they're asked they should say they make plenty. ***** to your friends don't tell the whole world that a $16 mil salary isn't enough for you since, you know, less than 1% of people can touch that.

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:38 PM
Lebron says he deserves credit for taking less with to sign with MIA.

Hopefully people realize that's a bunch of BS, cuz of the tax laws in FLA, it's already been proven that he will make more money with the contract he signed with MIA, then he would have if he signed a max deal with another team, for example NY.

Nice try though, I guess......

It's not BS. He DID take less...period. Taxes or not - he took less than he could have. He took less than he should have, and makes FAR less than what he's actually worth. He shouldn't be complaining about it (and I don't think he is; he just answered a question honestly), but even if you're making tens of millions of dollars, if you're making maybe 10-35 million dollars less than what you're actually worth, well, that probably will creep into ANYONE's mind from time to time. The CBA doesn't allow a lot of people to make the money they truly are worth....

He's not the first superstar to bring this up, nor is he the first top 15 player ever to do so either. It's just LeBron, and we love to over analyze EVERYTHING he does.

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:40 PM
He was marketed just as heavly in Cleveland. He's been hyped since before they had footage of him in the pros, they were trying to make money off him when the last full season he'd played was at SVSM. How m

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:40 PM
I do believe he is worth more money, yes...but for him to say " I don't get credit for taking less money," is BEYOND ridiculous. What does he expect...people to tell him every time he comes to the gym, or have these mooks at ESPN mention every game that he is worth more? That's such an outlandish claim, dude get's enough attention and *** kissing as it is.
I see, yea I dont know what he expects but I also dont know what kind heat hes taken over the years. Hes speaking truth but I guess I can see why people would have a problem with him wanting even more credit.

But thats something you see happen once a player is near the end. Like back in the day when KG and TD were 1-2 as best players go, Duncan was the one taking paycuts to keep his teams flexibility in tact, meanwhile KG was hogging up 30M on a treadmill team.

ILLUSIONIST^248
02-01-2013, 07:41 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8905486/lebron-james-think-paid-value-current-cba


Just when he hadn't done anything stupid for awhile.....:facepalm:

I'll reserve my opinion on this one for now, just curious to see the thoughts on this

Maybe that son of a ***** should have stayed put in cleveland. Then he would be getting 30 mil a year.

What do you expect Lebron? Would you life to be payed 40 mil and have a superteam as well?

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:43 PM
whoops. How many times have you seen him in those greaan and gold jerseys? And my comparison to Sprewell was more so the irony of an individual making what, 40-50 mil a year at least (15-20 for spree? just guessing at those....complaining publically about their paycheck. And I forgot all about the Florida tax thing

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:43 PM
He was marketed just as heavly in Cleveland. He's been hyped since before they had footage of him in the pros, they were trying to make money off him when the last full season he'd played was at SVSM. How m
Well yea, thats the point. When you have a LeBron James you CAN market him. When you have a Mo Williams.... not so much.

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:43 PM
I do believe he is worth more money, yes...but for him to say " I don't get credit for taking less money," is BEYOND ridiculous. What does he expect...people to tell him every time he comes to the gym, or have these mooks at ESPN mention every game that he is worth more? That's such an outlandish claim, dude get's enough attention and *** kissing as it is.

It's probably more of a subconsciousness response to all the crap he gets for teaming up, rather than people not saying "LeBron deserves credit for taking less money" more frequently. He gets a ton of flack for teaming up to this day...I don't blame him for being cognizant of it, and not really liking it.

The LeBron *** kissing to LeBron *** kicking ratio has been skewed well towards the latter for most of his career...let's not act like he's a golden child.

D-Leethal
02-01-2013, 07:43 PM
He's right. He would be getting $250M max contracts in MLB.

stawka
02-01-2013, 07:44 PM
An obvious troll thread, going by the thread title and **** poll options

Nonetheless, I don't see anything wrongly said by him, enough to warrant a stupid thread like this by a probable Laker/Knicks/Bulls fan

Slug3
02-01-2013, 07:44 PM
Lebron says he deserves credit for taking less with to sign with MIA.

Hopefully people realize that's a bunch of BS, cuz of the tax laws in FLA, it's already been proven that he will make more money with the contract he signed with MIA, then he would have if he signed a max deal with another team, for example NY.

Nice try though, I guess......

Do you have anything to prove your point he would make more?

Also for the 41 home games he doesn't pay taxes. Any away game outside of Florida he has to pay that states taxes.

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:45 PM
Lebron says he deserves credit for taking less with to sign with MIA.

Hopefully people realize that's a bunch of BS, cuz of the tax laws in FLA, it's already been proven that he will make more money with the contract he signed with MIA, then he would have if he signed a max deal with another team, for example NY.

Nice try though, I guess......
True, but hes not just talking about what he could have made elsewhere, but what he could make if he were paid what hes fiscally worth. Its a shot at the new CBA as well.

ManRam
02-01-2013, 07:46 PM
He's right. He would be getting $250M max contracts in MLB.

Hell, if I'm any star NBA player I'm definitely salty about that. I mean, A-Rod getting well close to (or over?) $500 million for his career?!?! Malarkey! These NBA players are easily worth that for a lot of franchises.

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:46 PM
The problem isn't the amout of posts you have, it's that you're not that smart
Thats harsh. Sometimes jokes come off as trolling

Chronz
02-01-2013, 07:48 PM
Hell, if I'm any star NBA player I'm definitely salty about that. I mean, A-Rod getting well close to (or over?) $500 million for his career?!?! Malarkey! These NBA players are easily worth that for a lot of franchises.

I would love a system in which Bron makes an absurd amount of money and someone like Rudy Gay makes 4M. The superstars carry this league and with this system, essentially provide the excess for subpar talent/ownership.

ATX
02-01-2013, 07:52 PM
Maybe that son of a ***** should have stayed put in cleveland. Then he would be getting 30 mil a year.

What do you expect Lebron? Would you life to be payed 40 mil and have a superteam as well?

Did you read the article before your naive criticism? Obviously not.


"I have not had a full max deal yet in my career -- that's a story untold," James said.
"I don't get (the credit) for it. That doesn't matter to me; playing the game is what matters to me. Financially, I'll sacrifice for the team. It shows for some of the top guys, it isn't all about money. That's the genuine side of this, it's about winning. I understand that."

He seems fine with being underpaid, and his true market value is much higher. He was asked a question and he responded. It's not as if he's out there crying about what he's paid, nor instigating the conversation. He just understands that his value is much higher.

ichitownclowni
02-01-2013, 07:52 PM
With the way money is thrown around in baseball then yes Lebron James is underpaid. He isnt wrong

ATX
02-01-2013, 07:54 PM
Probably the stupidest poll I've ever come across too.

bklynny67
02-01-2013, 07:55 PM
True, but hes not just talking about what he could have made elsewhere, but what he could make if he were paid what hes fiscally worth. Its a shot at the new CBA as well.

Agreed. He should be making more money overall. But for him to say he deserves credit for taking "less" money is just wrong, since he's actually making more than if he signed a max with another team.

But yes I agree he's still not getting paid what he's worth, in comparison to other contracts, cuz really just about every player is overpaid. No one should be making $20mil to play basketball but that's how it is these days. And baseball contracts are just ridiculous now. Can you imagine making $30 million for just one season of playing baseball. That's just insane.

Kashmir13579
02-01-2013, 07:57 PM
Basically what Lebron is saying is that even if they payed him Jordan type dollar, it still wouldn't compensate for what he brings on the basketball court.

tdg823
02-01-2013, 07:57 PM
See, people act like we make a big deal about everything he does, but we sure as #### didin't start that. What I said earlier reminds me.. Espn and whovever else made a big deal about him in the first place. Remember the High school games of his on national TV? And don't front, I know they do it more often now, but back them you didn't see **** but the McD's All star game back then from high schoolers with rare exception. He had several games on If I remember correctly. Remember the Hummer? and the toy hummer he drove on the court after he got in trouble for it? That all was all over sportcenter, lead stuff. Is that the first time that's ever happened in the history of high school athletics? If not why did it get so much play? so don't act like I started the fire just cause I warm my hands by it. They have talked incessently about him, publicized him and hyped him from the Very beginning. I'm just reponding to what's in front of me,equal proprtion, no more, no less


Sorry, I did that big block thing again Paragraphs next time....

Sssmush
02-01-2013, 07:57 PM
there was an econ article a few years ago about how much he should be making,if only i could remember were i saw it.but the numbers are truly striking

Yeah, I saw some of those articles, very interesting.

Actually, if we applied some of the NBA/David Stern's tightly regulated system of "enlightened socialism" or whatever you want to call it to big business in America... maybe through a kind of "state capitalism" or something like that, it might not be terrible.

For instance, if the CEO of a wall st firm, or a telecom giant, or a movie studio, or a bank or an energy company or whatever is pulling down $250M+ a year in salary and bonuses... I mean, is that proportional to the amount of value that he is generating for the company or the stockholders? Like, he went all Les Grossman on some Chinese banker and closed the big billion dollar deal or something, and if we didn't pay him $250M he would go work for somebody else, or what?

It just seems like if those top salaries were regulated a bit, just to be in line as a reasonable percentage of profits, or of the overall salary structure. Like, ok maybe the CEO is really good, but he is worth 2,000x of what an average account executive is worth? Maybe they should limit him to $150M a year, and spread some of that money around the other salaries. Or like the NBA make highly profitable companies "revenue share" with less profitable companies so markets don't get dominated by monopolies.

Just spit-balling here

Kashmir13579
02-01-2013, 07:59 PM
A winner and a champ :clap:

I do love quotes like that.

Cal827
02-01-2013, 08:01 PM
"I agree, NBA players in general are underpaid for their performance."

-Eddy Curry

ILLUSIONIST^248
02-01-2013, 08:03 PM
Did you read the article before your naive criticism? Obviously not.



He seems fine with being underpaid, and his true market value is much higher. He was asked a question and he responded. It's not as if he's out there crying about what he's paid, nor instigating the conversation. He just understands that his value is much higher.

Well obviously guys like joe johnson and amare shouldn't be making more than him.

HotMayo
02-01-2013, 08:13 PM
Than go play baseball .

Try hitting a 90 mile n hour curve ball with your o so sexy self

Lol lebron

bholly
02-01-2013, 08:21 PM
Just chiming in to agree with the non-crazies - someone on twitter the other day referred to him as the most underpaid athlete in the world, and I didn't even blink. I'm pretty sure it's true.

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Bruno
02-01-2013, 08:43 PM
he's massively underpaid.

but thats what happens in a league with a cap, where there is no free market. players are boxed into levels or categories. in a free market LBJ would command a lot more money.

VinceCarter
02-01-2013, 08:48 PM
Stupid to say but it's the truth.

29$JerZ
02-01-2013, 09:00 PM
Well he chose to be underpaid so if he feels any sort of anger from this he needs to look himself in the mirror and be reminded how his decision made this possible.

It is sad to see who get paid more than him though.


Kobe Bryant
$27,849,000
2. Brandon Roy
$21,459,805
3. Dirk Nowitzki
$20,907,128
4. Gilbert Arenas
$20,807,922
5. Amare Stoudemire
$19,948,799
6. Joe Johnson
$19,752,645
7. Carmelo Anthony
$19,450,000
8. Dwight Howard
$19,261,200
9. Pau Gasol
$19,000,000
10. Elton Brand
$18,160,354
11. Chris Paul
$17,779,457
12. Kevin Durant
$17,548,838



Only 5 players here deserve the money they are getting (7 if you include past success when the contract was given)

Tony_Starks
02-01-2013, 09:06 PM
Well he chose to be underpaid so if he feels any sort of anger from this he needs to look himself in the mirror and be reminded how his decision made this possible.

It is sad to see who get paid more than him though.


Kobe Bryant
$27,849,000
2. Brandon Roy
$21,459,805
3. Dirk Nowitzki
$20,907,128
4. Gilbert Arenas
$20,807,922
5. Amare Stoudemire
$19,948,799
6. Joe Johnson
$19,752,645
7. Carmelo Anthony
$19,450,000
8. Dwight Howard
$19,261,200
9. Pau Gasol
$19,000,000
10. Elton Brand
$18,160,354
11. Chris Paul
$17,779,457
12. Kevin Durant
$17,548,838



Only 4 players here deserve the money they are getting (6 if you include past success when the contract was given)


The only contract on that list I take issue with is Elton Brand who basically had a contract year and has underwhelmed ever since. The other guys I feel were legit superstars at the time of making those deals and were the faces of their teams so it is what it is. I don't hold injuries against guys like Roy and Agent Zero.....

But Lebron came along after it was raining money. Stern caved in to small market owners who were crying "we can't win" and sold everybody on the farce of so called competitive balance.

mdm692
02-01-2013, 09:39 PM
He should of thought about that when he back stabbed Cleveland and decided to take a pay cut. No one forced him to take less money its all on him.

ClevelandSpider
02-01-2013, 09:46 PM
Well he chose to be underpaid so if he feels any sort of anger from this he needs to look himself in the mirror and be reminded how his decision made this possible.

It is sad to see who get paid more than him though.


Kobe Bryant
$27,849,000
2. Brandon Roy
$21,459,805
3. Dirk Nowitzki
$20,907,128
4. Gilbert Arenas
$20,807,922
5. Amare Stoudemire
$19,948,799
6. Joe Johnson
$19,752,645
7. Carmelo Anthony
$19,450,000
8. Dwight Howard
$19,261,200
9. Pau Gasol
$19,000,000
10. Elton Brand
$18,160,354
11. Chris Paul
$17,779,457
12. Kevin Durant
$17,548,838



Only 5 players here deserve the money they are getting (7 if you include past success when the contract was given)

There's a difference between contracts earned and players not living up to their contracts...Durant, Paul, Howard and Anthony are the only ones I see on that list living up to it, Howard is injuried so I give him a little room, Kobe's still Kobe, but he shouldnt be making 27 mil, thats ridiculous

Bravo95
02-01-2013, 09:50 PM
He's right.

metswon69
02-01-2013, 10:01 PM
Considering he is the best player in the sport yeah he is certainly underpaid when isn't even in the top 12 of annual salary.

A lot of us when we see the word "underpaid" we compare it to our jobs and say **** him but that's not how professional sports work.

iam brett favre
02-01-2013, 10:13 PM
How does he afford to feed his family at night? It's really a shame how underpaid professional athletes are. I'm going to start donating my paychecks to them. They clearly need more money.

metswon69
02-01-2013, 10:19 PM
If you look at it in a vacuum of professional sports athlete he is underpaid.

If A-Rod is making 29 million dollars this year, then Lebron should be making more than 17.5 million.

rocket
02-01-2013, 10:19 PM
He is underpaid. I don't know the context of the question, but if he said I am underpaid without anyone asking him about it than he is a douche.

tkshy
02-01-2013, 10:25 PM
You missed overpaid. All pro athletes fall into that category.

DODGERS&LAKERS
02-01-2013, 10:30 PM
I think the big time stars are getting money under the table in overseas account. I'm almost positive the Nets owner told Dwight that he would put extra millions of dollars in his account off shore if Dwight could force his way there . The big 3 in Miami probably did the same thing.

Hawkeye15
02-01-2013, 10:35 PM
Every single think Bron says is true. That being said, he has shown to be a poor public speaker, and should stop being pulled into making comments that might be even the slightest controversial, seeing as the public has an agenda against him.

OceanSpray
02-01-2013, 10:39 PM
People are saying athletes are overpaid. Can you find a player who plays like LeBron? No, because it's rare. It's only overpaid because it's a sport that we all play for fun and we think it's just that, a game.

Anyways, he's definitely not worth $50,000,000 a year. Based off endorsements and all that good stuff, LeBron already makes enough to cover up for his low paying contract. I'd say $35-$40 million if allowed.

Raps18-19 Champ
02-01-2013, 10:56 PM
Poll makes no sense. I don't answer questions with other questions.

LakersMaster24
02-01-2013, 10:57 PM
Is Lebron underpaid COMPARED to all the other players? HELL YES.

Are NBA players overpaid in general? I think so.

BKLYNpigeon
02-01-2013, 11:06 PM
he took 2 million less of a Max contract to play in Miami. so what? theres a salary cap in the NBA..

Sandman
02-01-2013, 11:18 PM
I mean, its one of those things he didnt need to say which probably means it was taken out of context.

The salary cap in basketball is the most necessary, but the max salary for players takes money from the top 5% of players and redistributes it everywhere.

LOOTERX9
02-01-2013, 11:22 PM
lebron can't be this stupid. smh.. The punk ***** took less money to play with his buddies in miami so he can win a cheap championship. This guy is mentally unstable

OceanSpray
02-01-2013, 11:23 PM
he took 2 million less of a Max contract to play in Miami. so what? theres a salary cap in the NBA..

The article is based on the fact whether or not he is underpaid if there was no salary cap. The answer is yes.

OceanSpray
02-01-2013, 11:24 PM
lebron can't be this stupid. smh.. The punk ***** took less money to play with his buddies in miami so he can win a cheap championship. This guy is mentally unstable

The question is whether or not he's underpaid in terms of what he offers. Him taking a paycut does not mean he's not underpaid. Sounds like you're a hater.

Sssmush
02-02-2013, 03:35 AM
It is sad to see who get paid more than him though.


Kobe Bryant
$27,849,000
2. Brandon Roy
$21,459,805
3. Dirk Nowitzki
$20,907,128
4. Gilbert Arenas
$20,807,922
5. Amare Stoudemire
$19,948,799
6. Joe Johnson
$19,752,645
7. Carmelo Anthony
$19,450,000
8. Dwight Howard
$19,261,200
9. Pau Gasol
$19,000,000
10. Elton Brand
$18,160,354
11. Chris Paul
$17,779,457
12. Kevin Durant
$17,548,838



Only 5 players here deserve the money they are getting (7 if you include past success when the contract was given)

Yeah, well that is so ridiculous it's almost not worth commenting. The overall point that some economists have made, I think, is that even if Lebron were making the absolute max under the salary cap (say $27M like Kobe Bryant) he'd still be massively underpaid, probably only making approximately 60% of what he's worth.

Of everybody on that list, Kobe is the one player who legitimately deserves to make as much or more than Lebron, and Durant and possibly Dirk just because of popularity and global marketing. But yeah, the fact that Lebron makes way less than Stoudemire is beside the point: even if Lebron was making $30M he'd still be significantly underpaid just in terms of raw free market value.

While we're at it we should mention that Kobe is also grossly underpaid, and has been every year he's been in the league. That's why Kobe and these guys are such hot commodities, they are cash machines for the teams and their compensation is limited by the salary cap.

Tmath
02-02-2013, 03:42 AM
He wanted to take his talents to south beach so...

Kyben36
02-02-2013, 04:06 AM
here we go,

1st off, it was his dicesion to take less money to play with wade and Bosh wasnt it ?????.

2nd I dont feel bad for somebody who makes 1mil + a year, much less 15+ mil. sorry, dont have that type of sympothy

3rd, do any of you realize how much he makes in endorsements, Somewhere around 3x what he makes for actualy playing basketball.

so someobody making over 60mil a year for playing a game. not going to feel bad, my sentiments kinda go along the lines of your rich dont cry about it.

just figured I would add this, for laughs \

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdxn9kBIPk

Auseranami
02-02-2013, 05:00 AM
He's making 17.5 million and getting another 40+ million in endorsements this year and he's whining about not getting credit for taking 2 million less per year to play with the heat. It's things like this that make him seem like some arrogant douche. His pr people need to tell him to stop saying dumb things.

JOhnnyTHaJet
02-02-2013, 05:13 AM
The Poll confused the **** outta me

hidalgo
02-02-2013, 05:49 AM
for how good he is, & his impact on the NBA, yea he's underpaid, but he agreed to be to join the Heat. so what's the problem?

TmacBryant
02-02-2013, 01:04 PM
for how good he is, & his impact on the NBA, yea he's underpaid, but he agreed to be to join the Heat. so what's the problem?

Agreed, for what he does for the NBA he is definitely underpaid. Then again you can make the case for all NBA icons like Jerry West, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Jordan. All of them deserve more money than what they got, but in the end it is the NBA that allows them to get all of these endorsements .

xnick5757
02-02-2013, 01:39 PM
he is vastly underpaid compared to what he brings in in terms of revenue

OceanSpray
02-02-2013, 01:43 PM
The majority of the users here are stupid.. They are so closed minded that they can't comprehend the question for what it really means. The question is whether or not he's underpaid based on what he does for the league and his talent. LeBron makes a crapload of money for NBA and his talents are not worth $17,000,000 considering there are athletes like Alex Rodriguez signing $300,000,000 contracts since MLB has no salary cap. So yes, in terms of what he does for the league and if the league didn't have a salary cap, he is underpaid. To us, he is overpaid because it is in our nature to be jealous. But ask yourself, if he is overpaid, can you do what LeBron does? No, he is one in a million.

Twins Fanatic
02-02-2013, 01:54 PM
Yeah, I guess you're right about the question form thing though, fair point, maybe if I have time to post 50,000 more times I'll get my etiquette down

Gawd, I hope these post won't be on this site.

Ladies Man
02-02-2013, 02:15 PM
He agreed to take a paycut. I think he forgot

Corey
02-02-2013, 02:18 PM
All NBA players are overpaid, but in comparison to other players...Lebron is indeed underpaid.

He shouldn't make comments about it, though. He knew what he was doing when he signed in Miami. He put individual numbers and money on the line in exchange for titles.

DoubleDragon
02-02-2013, 02:35 PM
Give the guy a break! He only made 88.6 million last year (not including personal investments). How's a man supposed to live on that? Jeesh.

BrianValente
02-02-2013, 02:38 PM
making millions of dollars playing a game. Not a bad life. Is he worth more money than other NBA players? yea. Call me crazy but they could pay me 10k a year n id be perfectly ok with it

blacknell
02-02-2013, 02:40 PM
He is the best player in the NBA so he should be getting paid more. Just as Drew brees cried about getting more money and every one suopported it, you should support Lebron wanting more money

RenegadeRiot36
02-02-2013, 02:45 PM
An economist has come out and said he should be paid an upwards of more than 40 million a year for what he does with the Heat. This is absolutely true even if you guys want to believe it or not. Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact derived from economic data.

jammastershake
02-02-2013, 03:02 PM
this mother ****er is worth $110 million and says he's underpaid???!!! **** him! ask teachers if they are underpaid you *******. you play basketball you loser. just as i started to like this piece of ****.

R. Johnson#3
02-02-2013, 03:16 PM
It makes me sick when someone who makes 7 figures complains about being underpaid. Oh wait, Lebron makes 8.

Kyben36
02-02-2013, 03:27 PM
The majority of the users here are stupid.. They are so closed minded that they can't comprehend the question for what it really means. The question is whether or not he's underpaid based on what he does for the league and his talent. LeBron makes a crapload of money for NBA and his talents are not worth $17,000,000 considering there are athletes like Alex Rodriguez signing $300,000,000 contracts since MLB has no salary cap. So yes, in terms of what he does for the league and if the league didn't have a salary cap, he is underpaid. To us, he is overpaid because it is in our nature to be jealous. But ask yourself, if he is overpaid, can you do what LeBron does? No, he is one in a million.

Just because somebody else pays Kobe 27mil does not mean that Kobe is over paid, hell, this is a sport, a game we are talking about, nobody should be making more than somebody who went to college and had to pay for an education because they are athletic and can put a ball in a hoop, I love watching it but its hard for me to say that you should earn that much moneyfor playing a game. Lebron is making more than enough money, he decided to take less to play with the heat, and yes, he isnt making as much as some other guys, but he is making 17mil a year, can people grasp that, 17 mil a year. I understand its diferent because of how much athletes get paid but anyone who cries about making 17 mil a year deserves death.

Yes, he is underpaid in terms of other NBA contracts, however, I actualy enjoy the NBA in the fact that they do have a cap, otherwise, the nba would be the MLB where the highest bidder and largest markets can just take all the good players, if he wants to just make money he can go play in Europe where they will pay him 2x kobes pay. I dont care. but to cry about making 17 mil a year, and plus that extra 50mil for endorsments and whatnot, I cant say he is underpaid.

HoodedSB
02-02-2013, 04:12 PM
Yeah, he is. Salary caps and whatnot.

DR_1
02-02-2013, 04:46 PM
Here is my opinion: all professional athletes are overpaid.

naps
02-03-2013, 02:49 AM
When you make a thread with a poll that has a option like the 3rd one above it shows you are not smart at all (as a troll ofcourse). You couldn't hide your bitterness and jealousy.

As for his comments, he was asked a question and he answered it quite honestly. Whatever he said is all FACT. He's the best player on the planet and he's not even in the top 10 in salary. How ridiculous is that? Dude could be earning 50 million a year in an open market.

3ballbomber
02-03-2013, 04:16 AM
he states playing the game is what matters to him so why the ef you mention any of this in the first place. the 3 stooges in miami had to take pay cuts in order to sign all 3 and have room to surround them w/ talent - they had no choice! douche cake

tdg823
02-03-2013, 04:17 AM
Naps, you and you're cult like ilk, don't insult my intelligence, address my opinion. What makes you insecure mother didn't love you enough ****'s have to attack people is beyond me. Probably lacking the physical stature and intellectual capacity to treat anyone like that face to face. There is no FACT involved, it's all opinion. I've tried to explain the marketing angle, the publicity angle, how the league and others facilitate him making his money, it's a symbiotic relationship. He helps them they help him. And if my third option is terrible why is it so close a second. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's dismissed out of hand. It's a credible and legit option and point of view. Many people feel strongly and for good reason that that is the best choice. Trolling is baiting not stating an option or opinion you don't like, especially one with a fairly decent following. Don't be offended by it, deal with it. I don't think supply side economics has any credibility, but I don't call someone a troll when they advocate it, grow up! Am I bitter and jealous that the Kardashians are rich for nothing and I work my *** off if I point out the unfairness, or just referring to the reality of the situation. Lying or making things up, slandering, that's born out of bitterness and jealousy.
Get it together guys. You worship him like a god (remember the no false idols part of the bible?) and treat any criticism of him as blasphemy. It's a business, learn the realities of businesses in a capitalistic society before you insult me, got it Dougie?

tdg823
02-03-2013, 04:23 AM
Blind following and acceptance is why hegemony works, look at the big picture and think critically, you might just have an epiphany (or your head might just heard in some peoples cases)

YouCan'tBeatLA
02-03-2013, 04:27 AM
No athlete is underpaid. In fact, they're all overpaid. Don't they take a second and think to themselves, "I'm getting paid millions to play a SPORT"?

tdg823
02-03-2013, 05:05 AM
Agreed. you get that good at a game because you played it constantly since you were a kid. You played it that much because you love it. Love doesn't need compensation, especially not to the tune of millions of dollars. Like how some guys here get off on their favorite athletes. They do it constantly, out of love. What do they want paid for it next? And if you pay them, in a few years will they complain how much they get paid? This is oversimplyfing the argument, obviously, but the premise is relavent to understanding the absurdity of comments by people like Lebron, Sprewell, Phil Mickelson, etc...

tdg823
02-03-2013, 05:07 AM
And if they didn't charge you $500 dollars to go to a game, they wouldn't have all that money for people to compain about how it's distibuted. Does he think the fans should be charged more so salaries can go up?

JasonJohnHorn
02-03-2013, 11:20 AM
He took a pay cut to get to play on an all-star team to win. You can't have it both ways. If you want a max deal, then sign a max deal with the team that offered you one.

Is he underpaid? Yes. He's the best player in the league, yet he makes nowhere near what guys like Kobe and Dirk make.

That said, I'm sure he's doing alright. He's not going to be missing any mortgage moments.

strahan92osi72
02-03-2013, 11:28 AM
It's his own fault if he feels that way. He wanted to take the easy way to the Championship by playing with two All Stars, how else could it have worked? Duh!

Sandman
02-03-2013, 01:42 PM
He agreed to take a paycut. I think he forgot

Tax evasion!!! Jk but he makes more cash in FL even with the pay cut. No state income tax.

HighCHWRoller07
02-03-2013, 02:04 PM
If anything hes over paid...just like every athlete on the world

TheNumber37
02-03-2013, 02:22 PM
he lives in a state with no income tax

zB_#85
02-03-2013, 02:47 PM
It's his own fault if he feels that way. He wanted to take the easy way to the Championship by playing with two All Stars, how else could it have worked? Duh!

This. I don't want to hear a peep from him, this was his "Decision" remember guys they even made a show about it Lol. Douche...

LeperMessiah
02-03-2013, 02:47 PM
Lol at people getting all pissy about money, you're obvious jealousy is showing. Anyways, yea he is being underpaid being the most valuable thing to the NBA and all.

zB_#85
02-03-2013, 02:48 PM
he lives in a state with no income tax

And this. Which people overlook just as easily as he says people don't credit him enough for taking less...

BULLSFAN0810
02-04-2013, 04:09 AM
As A James so called " HATER" the dude is totally under paid. NOT AS UNDERPAID AS JORDAN WAS. (MADE THE NBA GLOBAL) JAMES should imo make like 40 mil a year easy..He makes a tad bit over Joradns biggest pay day which was 20 mill. James isnt as good as Jordan or as marketable but the Money Jordan made in the NBA shouldnt be what James is making bc we know Jordan was more than 40 mill easy even in his day. so james imhox2 should be in the 100 mil area ...EASY

Shmontaine
02-04-2013, 11:23 AM
this is nonsense... there's no vacuum of pro sports...

do you think customers of any business care about the management? no, they care about how the low guys on the ladder take care of them, or provide a service to them. that's what drives business, that what's every business tries to do. whether it's a guy at best buy, dunkin donuts, or anywhere else. those employees are the drivers of business, and usually the least paid.

the soldiers in the trenches of every business are 'underpaid' compared to the value that they add to the company they work for. and the opposite is 'true' for the management/owners..

my salary is fine, but the amount of value and sales I bring to my company don't even begin to compare with how i'm compensated... that's why america is great. you can move up the ladder and become one of those undeserving management types who makes money off the backs of the 'underpaid'...

BULLSFAN0810
02-04-2013, 11:25 AM
this is nonsense... there's no vacuum of pro sports...

do you think customers of any business care about the management? no, they care about how the low guys on the ladder take care of them, or provide a service to them. that's what drives business, that what's every business tries to do. whether it's a guy at best buy, dunkin donuts, or anywhere else. those employees are the drivers of business, and usually the least paid.

the soldiers in the trenches of every business are 'underpaid' compared to the value that they add to the company they work for. and the opposite is 'true' for the management/owners..

my salary is fine, but the amount of value and sales I bring to my company don't even begin to compare with how i'm compensated... that's why america is great. you can move up the ladder and become one of those undeserving management types who makes money off the backs of the 'underpaid'...


great quote... nice pic of Noah..he deserves a pay raise too

LeperMessiah
02-04-2013, 11:29 AM
As A James so called " HATER" the dude is totally under paid. NOT AS UNDERPAID AS JORDAN WAS. (MADE THE NBA GLOBAL) JAMES should imo make like 40 mil a year easy..He makes a tad bit over Joradns biggest pay day which was 20 mill. James isnt as good as Jordan or as marketable but the Money Jordan made in the NBA shouldnt be what James is making bc we know Jordan was more than 40 mill easy even in his day. so james imhox2 should be in the 100 mil area ...EASY

Jordan was paid $33 million for the 97-98 season, he was making roughly that range in the latter part of the 90s, which would be worth more today. Jordan made his money. Bulls fan.

Nats_vcu-Okc35
02-04-2013, 01:35 PM
If people feel these athletes are overpaid, stop watching, stop spending your money on the games an jerseys, tell your friends and families to do the same, then I feel your argument has more credence. I have no problem with how much Lebron or any other professional athlete gets paid either way.
It's his right as an American to make his money and lobby for what he feels is adequate compensation, as i feel is my right in my profession. If he has been given the forum, I don't find any fault with answering a question, especially when it's not like he's gonna renegotiate until his contract is up. No matter how well off someone is, we all have our sour grapes. If you point fingers, point them at society or the economy for a screwed up value system, if you want.
I personally love basketball, baseball, hockey, and football, and will continue to watch and support these athletes, because they remind me of the times when i could play these sports more often. I don't idolize these people, they're just people. Are they lucky? Sure. Did they work hard? Most do, all have to have some work ethic to make it. I'm just not losing any sleep about them making more money than me. So if people wanna have sour grapes, and say he makes too much money that's fine. Just remember if you're consuming the product, you're part of that money he makes.

WAYNEBO
02-04-2013, 01:54 PM
Based on his on-court contributions alone, he is vastly underpaid, but that's the rules of the NBA. Besides, the Heatles all agreed to slight pay cuts of 18M/yr versus the max 20. Why is he biching now?

ink
02-04-2013, 01:56 PM
Relative to all the other overpaid athletes yes he's underpaid.

His payment was not entirely in money however since MIA bought him his All Star teammates so he could get his championship. I'd say he was compensated well.

ankit
02-04-2013, 02:19 PM
Hes right he is definitively underpaid. Lebron James should be making 30 million a year. He sells out arenas. He is the best player in the game no offence to durant or kobe. Its his problem he signeed with Miami but wait a second doesnt he save taxes over there. Isnt he already rich from all those nike endorsemnts. The King wanted a max money he should have stuck with Cleveland :facepalm: :facepalm:

Kobe2324
02-04-2013, 03:17 PM
Two ways too look at this comment, first off I hate Lebron but it will not affect my opinion lol if you look at as a everyday hard working guy like myself making an everyday normal salary you would say Lebron is a punk ***** for making that comment. If you look at it from his perspective where he is obviously comparing himself to other players in the league he is absolutely correct that he is under paid because he is the best all around player in the league and should at least be 2nd behind Kobe in salary where as Kobe has earned the money at this point of his career and stayed with the same team his entire career. But also don't forget that hes the one that made the choice to go to miami and take a pay cut to play there, so he should not be complaing as it was his choice. but yes hes worth more than most players in the league.

yoseppii12
02-04-2013, 03:53 PM
I think some of you don't really understand the economics of the NBA. This league is a market, just like any other. Therefore, comparing player salaries when they are not the same age, been with a team, or signed in the same year it is impossible to judge. Different guys get different money because it is supply and demand. Some of you point to the fact that he signed with Miami. He got "underpaid" but he pretty much got Max money. So no he didn't get underpaid, he got max/close to max. As well, certain guys, usually middle level stars (i.e., Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer), are the ones who get overpaid during big free agency periods. So thanks to guys like Lebron, Wade and Bosh, they inflated other players salaries because they all teamed up in Miami. This scared the owners of Memphis, Atlanta, and Chicago to sign and pay these other middle level stars more money than they deserved because they didn't want to lose out. So no Lebron doesn't get underpaid. If he would of stayed in Cleveland he could of gotten more money, I suppose. Also, salaries should not be compared on a per dollar basis but rather in tiers. If he is getting Tier 1 money, then that is what he deserves. Everything else is dependent on so many other factors that the owners and GMs have to manage that these players probably wouldn't even understand

OceanSpray
02-04-2013, 06:04 PM
I think some of you don't really understand the economics of the NBA. This league is a market, just like any other. Therefore, comparing player salaries when they are not the same age, been with a team, or signed in the same year it is impossible to judge. Different guys get different money because it is supply and demand. Some of you point to the fact that he signed with Miami. He got "underpaid" but he pretty much got Max money. So no he didn't get underpaid, he got max/close to max. As well, certain guys, usually middle level stars (i.e., Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer), are the ones who get overpaid during big free agency periods. So thanks to guys like Lebron, Wade and Bosh, they inflated other players salaries because they all teamed up in Miami. This scared the owners of Memphis, Atlanta, and Chicago to sign and pay these other middle level stars more money than they deserved because they didn't want to lose out. So no Lebron doesn't get underpaid. If he would of stayed in Cleveland he could of gotten more money, I suppose. Also, salaries should not be compared on a per dollar basis but rather in tiers. If he is getting Tier 1 money, then that is what he deserves. Everything else is dependent on so many other factors that the owners and GMs have to manage that these players probably wouldn't even understand

You're a ******. He was asked if he was underpaid if there was no salary cap. Based on LeBron's talent compared with Joe Johnson, yes, he is underpaid. He answered truthfully and he's right. Name one player who based on dollar per talent is actually worth it? The money LeBron draws is enough to justify it. Supply and demand? How does that have anything to do with his situation? He signed for less money because he wanted to win. There is no doubt that he is underpaid; especially when you're talking about Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson getting paid 1/4th more.

boateng
02-04-2013, 07:05 PM
You're a ******. He was asked if he was underpaid if there was no salary cap. Based on LeBron's talent compared with Joe Johnson, yes, he is underpaid. He answered truthfully and he's right. Name one player who based on dollar per talent is actually worth it? The money LeBron draws is enough to justify it. Supply and demand? How does that have anything to do with his situation? He signed for less money because he wanted to win. There is no doubt that he is underpaid; especially when you're talking about Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson getting paid 1/4th more.

Well yeah he is ''underpaid'' as crazy as it seems to have somebody earning 16million a year but then again there are loads of playerss underpaid...Durant, Kobe, Duncan etc...

Also what johnson and lewis got is down to what the owners paid them. it's their money so they can do what they like with it. It's not like Stern or the NBA decided to give johnson that horrific contract. The owners of nba teams have to choose what to pay players and some obviously have a brain of brick wall cos i can't see how anybody could see jjohnson being worth $120million.
Anyway why was Lebron asked this or what he brining it up? seems a bit odd really to be moaning about his salary at this moment in time.

OceanSpray
02-04-2013, 07:23 PM
Well yeah he is ''underpaid'' as crazy as it seems to have somebody earning 16million a year but then again there are loads of playerss underpaid...Durant, Kobe, Duncan etc...

Also what johnson and lewis got is down to what the owners paid them. it's their money so they can do what they like with it. It's not like Stern or the NBA decided to give johnson that horrific contract. The owners of nba teams have to choose what to pay players and some obviously have a brain of brick wall cos i can't see how anybody could see jjohnson being worth $120million.
Anyway why was Lebron asked this or what he brining it up? seems a bit odd really to be moaning about his salary at this moment in time.

It doesn't matter who gave Johnson that contract because that doesn't change the fact that he is overpaid.
I think LeBron was asked the question. But he is underpaid... No one can deny that.

boateng
02-04-2013, 07:27 PM
It doesn't matter who gave Johnson that contract because that doesn't change the fact that he is overpaid.
I think LeBron was asked the question. But he is underpaid... No one can deny that.

does lebron want a tissue that he is underpaid?

ironic how is the only one moaning, don't see durant or drose saying they are ''underpaid''. says it all really.

OceanSpray
02-04-2013, 07:29 PM
does lebron want a tissue that he is underpaid?

ironic how is the only one moaning, don't see durant or drose saying they are ''underpaid''. says it all really.

Because he was asked the question you idiot. Who the hell randomly speaks to a reporter and tells them that they are underpaid? How dumb can you be, seriously.

boateng
02-04-2013, 07:53 PM
Because he was asked the question you idiot. Who the hell randomly speaks to a reporter and tells them that they are underpaid? How dumb can you be, seriously.

wow resulting to childish insults over sticking for a man you will never meet in your life.

talk about pathetic.

mp3
02-04-2013, 08:01 PM
He chose to play with his "friends" in Miami. I'm sure he would have made much more in Cleveland.