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Hellcrooner
01-31-2013, 01:18 PM
The last few years i have read a lot of irate rants bout how unloyal players are, The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron, Howard , all of them have been bashed like crazy for their antics and not being "loyal" to their clubs.

Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers , i get that gay is young so it was normal for it to happen, but at their age and after so much years one would expect for Prince and Calderon to be allowed to retire in their teams, instead they were flipped out of town.

So , how can we demmand loyalty from players when teams have 0 loyalty?
There are even rumorus of celtics trading pierce :facepalm: i find that as disgusting as anything Howard or Lebron did to be honest.

Sly Guy
01-31-2013, 01:22 PM
have you seen the raptor threads on the trade? It's far from unanimous about the decision to pull the trigger.

some fans in toronto wanted to see jose retire a raptor.
some fans in detroit wanted to see prince retire a piston.

you may not come out and say that's a problem with teams not giving loyalty to long-term players, but those types of statements are just about as close as we fans can give about team to player loyalty.

sixer04fan
01-31-2013, 01:26 PM
The players know what they're signing up for, and they get paid plenty of money to accept the fact that they could be traded. Deal with it.

Also, when a player wants to bolt from a team, they also want to leave the city and the fan base (us) behind. When a team trades a player, they are doing it in the best interest of the team, which is also usually in the best interest of the fan base.

SLY WILLIAMS
01-31-2013, 01:28 PM
The last few years i have read a lot of irate rants bout how unloyal players are, The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron, Howard , all of them have been bashed like crazy for their antics and not being "loyal" to their clubs.

Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers , i get that gay is young so it was normal for it to happen, but at their age and after so much years one would expect for Prince and Calderon to be allowed to retire in their teams, instead they were flipped out of town.

So , how can we demmand loyalty from players when teams have 0 loyalty?
There are even rumorus of celtics trading pierce :facepalm: i find that as disgusting as anything Howard or Lebron did to be honest.


Players leave in trades or free agency all the time. 99% of them are not bashed the way the 3 players you named were bashed. Those 3 were bashed more on how they went about things than actually leaving.

3RDASYSTEM
01-31-2013, 01:31 PM
Because everybody is the same so how can you complain about something that everybody is doing or not being..its why i laugh at the 'ego' or 'cancer' talk, everybody is something, some are just media protected more and some are put out on front street fullblast

You basically answered it yourself, it starts from top(organization) and trickles down to players/fans..what a perfect 'mindcontrol' agenda...but it makes for such a great story...think of all the headlines it has garnered from BRON/MELO to even SHAQ/JORDAN/AI to back in day with WILT/RUSS

JiffyMix88
01-31-2013, 01:32 PM
Jose wasn't and was never gonna get the Raptors to the playoffs so the GM made a great decision to trade him and open up more pt for Lowery. Prince went to a playoff team and probably had a behind the door meeting with Dumars to get him to a playoff team for another chance at a ring.

But to answer your op fans of teams like loyalty of players that actually win games and make their teams better these guys are just role players if you ask me and I have never been hurt over losing a role player.

1-800-STFU
01-31-2013, 01:37 PM
The last few years i have read a lot of irate rants bout how unloyal players are, The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron, Howard , all of them have been bashed like crazy for their antics and not being "loyal" to their clubs.

Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers , i get that gay is young so it was normal for it to happen, but at their age and after so much years one would expect for Prince and Calderon to be allowed to retire in their teams, instead they were flipped out of town.

So , how can we demmand loyalty from players when teams have 0 loyalty?
There are even rumorus of celtics trading pierce :facepalm: i find that as disgusting as anything Howard or Lebron did to be honest.

Those people are dumb.

Sports is a business. Fans only give you loyality if you're a good player. You never hear about bad players being "loyal" because fans hate them.

LAKobeBryant
01-31-2013, 01:42 PM
Calderon is a fan favourite, he has a dedication thread at Raptors forum.

Hellcrooner
01-31-2013, 01:46 PM
Calderon is a fan favourite, he has a dedication thread at Raptors forum.

Yeah, they also have like 100 posters that have wanted him gone for years.

TopsyTurvy
01-31-2013, 01:53 PM
How can anyone bring up player loyalty with "The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron," and compare it to a trade? Attacking Dwight's intentions is fair game considering the circus surrounding his performance and statements regarding Orlando, but come on... The players in question from this latest trade have little say in the matter.

lol, please
01-31-2013, 01:58 PM
What a stupid thread. Then again, it's the NBA forum. How do you expect loyalty from a trade? They didn't trade themselves. There is a difference between getting traded because your team wants to make a change and improve, and leaving out of your own will to build a super team because you aren't good enough to lift the team that drafted you or picked you up to contention.

:facepalm:

LAKobeBryant
01-31-2013, 02:01 PM
Yeah, they also have like 100 posters that have wanted him gone for years.

That's not what majority of the fans think in Toronto. Their rebuilding and moving forward plus he should be on a playoff team after his contract is up. A small amount of people said to trade Wade last year. Doesn't mean he wants to leave, or won't get big standing ovation when he returns.

Wisdom Listens
01-31-2013, 02:03 PM
It's a no-win for the players because if they leave to go to another team to win or receive more money they are deemed selfish, but if the team decides to go another direction for the same reason they are doing their job.

LAKobeBryant
01-31-2013, 02:05 PM
How can you hate on this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya8tBkwyQHE

Now go watch LeBron smiling taking his talents to south beach.

Bob_at_york
01-31-2013, 02:29 PM
The last few years i have read a lot of irate rants bout how unloyal players are, The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron, Howard , all of them have been bashed like crazy for their antics and not being "loyal" to their clubs.

Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers , i get that gay is young so it was normal for it to happen, but at their age and after so much years one would expect for Prince and Calderon to be allowed to retire in their teams, instead they were flipped out of town.

So , how can we demmand loyalty from players when teams have 0 loyalty?
There are even rumorus of celtics trading pierce :facepalm: i find that as disgusting as anything Howard or Lebron did to be honest.

Myself, if I like a player and think he is loyal, I am happy for them if my team trades them to a team that gives them a better chance at a championship. They were loyal to my franchise and I am happy when my franchise pays the player back and gives them a chance to win a championship before they retire. Prince is a good example of this (Although I don't think the Griz are going to win a championship).

D-Leethal
01-31-2013, 03:03 PM
Always business, never personal.

ManRam
01-31-2013, 03:06 PM
"Loyalty" is one of the most obnoxious things people talk about...

JasonJohnHorn
01-31-2013, 03:17 PM
Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers.

I expressed concerns about ti myself. A a Detroit and Toronto fan, I really wanted to see Prince and Calderon get to retire having played with only one team, but that said, I am happy for Prince because these are his prime years and they are being wasted on a rebuilding process. Likewise, Calderon was being wasted (though being traded to Detroit doesn't help him much). Toronto though brought Calderon in undrafted, so that team did a lot for him. At the same time though, Toronto never had much confidence in him as they kept bringing in PGs to replace him every year. And Toronto hasn't done a very good job of handling players in general.

As for Gay.... Memphis was kind enough to give him a huge contract. I'm sure he's bummed about being dumped on a lottery team, but, business is business.

To me, it is all about how the team communicates this to the players. Steve Smith recently mentioned that there was an instance where he spoke directly to a GM about a rumour after a game and the GM said: Steve, you are not being traded." When Steve woke up, he heard from news stations that he had been traded. That is not how to do it. I imagine Dumars spoke to Prince about the trade and that Prince was happy to be traded to a contender. I doubt Toronto talked to Calderon. He knew he was on the block all season. Likewise, Gay knew he was on the block. I assume Memphis spoke to him, but I also assume he didn't have much input into where he was going as the Raptors are a lottery team and likely one of very few teams willing to take on Gay's contract.


There is still loyalty though. The Spurs have three players that will likely retire Spurs in Duncan, Manu and Parker. As for Boston, Ainge has made it clear he has no loyalty and will trade anybody. I'm not sure he's such a great GM.

blystr2002
01-31-2013, 03:20 PM
Players leave all the time and nobody cares. It is only when it is the star player that people start saying loyalty because they have no other reason to be mad. Players careers are short they need to get the money when they can just like anybody with a job. It isn't like they are playing for the team they grew up loving in their own cities or anything. (For the most part) Also, teams aren't loyal.

Gators123
01-31-2013, 03:23 PM
I'd say Dumars was pretty loyal to Prince. If Memphis wasn't a contender I guarantee Dumars wouldn't have traded him there.

Chronz
01-31-2013, 03:26 PM
Loyalty cam get in the way, why force it upon anyone?

abe_froman
01-31-2013, 03:27 PM
Those people are dumb.

Sports is a business. Fans only give you loyality if you're a good player. You never hear about bad players being "loyal" because fans hate them.
this.the loyalty screams only come into play when its a good player leaving,and its because they feel they have a stake in the team,even though they dont own it and are just *****ing because they're faced with the losing that comes from a good player leaving.no,the loyalty screams arent logical,its emotional.just something to say in the frustration and depression that comes with knowing the pending losing record to come

OceanSpray
01-31-2013, 03:30 PM
Let's not forget LeBron. The secret fact is that owners will do whatever it takes to give themselves the best chances to win. No one cares about a player being traded because it's always happened before. It's no surprise that Gay was traded when he was a huge part of that team. They just don't care. However, reverse the roles and the player is always penalized and criticized for not sticking with a team and instead choosing the best option for them.

GREATNESS ONE
01-31-2013, 03:30 PM
It's a business and it's as simple as that.

torocan
01-31-2013, 03:36 PM
It's because fans are like people in the dating world.

They always want to be the dumper vs the dumpee.

"You were great, but it's us, not you... you're just not a fit on this team."

"OMG! You're SO important to us! Please don't leave..."

abe_froman
01-31-2013, 03:39 PM
It's because fans are like people in the dating world.

They always want to be the dumper vs the dumpee.

"You were great, but it's us, not you... you're just not a fit on this team."

"OMG! You're SO important to us! Please don't leave..."
that is a very perfect way to say it

gwrighter
01-31-2013, 03:51 PM
Jose was a class act for the Raptors who played his heart out for the team. But at the end of the day he wasn't our franchise guy. Neither did he 'take us anywhere'.

Hawkeye15
01-31-2013, 04:43 PM
Loyalty in the real world is gone as well with the younger generation. Kids want to be the CEO by age 30 or they move to a different company nowadays. Its the "entitlement" age. Why would athletes be any different? They see their co-workers on other teams that many have lucked out and been drafted by a great organization, and they want it too. So instead of working hard, and sticking with your team, you simply jump ship. Now, I have no problem with it, that is just how it is. What I hate are when people tell me a guy like Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Magic, or Jordan were "loyal", and guys like Bron, Barkley, or Amare are not. You are now defining the word loyal as, "a player who lucked out and was drafted into a winning environment and given great support early in his career".

BallIsAll
01-31-2013, 05:35 PM
I agree with this. I noticed this after my favorite team (nuggets) had to trade Anthony because he was gonna leave. Then they resigned 2 players everyone who followed the team loved to just trade them less than a year later. Loyalty goes both ways and loyalty is something that is non-existent in business, which is what professional sports are.

RLundi
01-31-2013, 07:19 PM
The players know what they're signing up for, and they get paid plenty of money to accept the fact that they could be traded. Deal with it.

Also, when a player wants to bolt from a team, they also want to leave the city and the fan base (us) behind. When a team trades a player, they are doing it in the best interest of the team, which is also usually in the best interest of the fan base.

So what you're saying is that players should worry about everyone else but themselves?? What about doing what's in the best interest of themselves?

Loyalty doesn't mean crap, on either side. Players can do whatever the hell they want, forget any false sense of pseudo-loyalty.

xxplayerxx23
01-31-2013, 07:47 PM
Nba is a business

Dade County
01-31-2013, 08:51 PM
The players know what they're signing up for, and they get paid plenty of money to accept the fact that they could be traded. Deal with it.

Also, when a player wants to bolt from a team, they also want to leave the city and the fan base (us) behind. When a team trades a player, they are doing it in the best interest of the team, which is also usually in the best interest of the fan base.

So basically, it's 100% right when the team does it, but when a "super star" player does it ( because we all know, if a scrub left, no one will care ) all hell brakes out, and his a villain...smh

I mean players extend with their team, then to be traded two years later to a team that player would NEVER sign with, and people find this OK... But when a player is a FREE AGENT and signs with another team, some of you guys act like fools!

I can't stand humans.

Bravo95
01-31-2013, 08:53 PM
Always business, never personal.
Yup.

ManRam
01-31-2013, 09:09 PM
I don't think players have any obligation to do anything for their teams other than play out their contract. If they wanna leave in free agency, so be it. I think it's silly that people criticize players for doing that. They owe those teams nothing after their contract is up. To pretend that player X should be as loyal to a team like Sacramento as player Y has been to the Lakers is stupid. Player Y got it good...player X shouldn't be bashed for leaving to get what player Y has.

smith&wesson
01-31-2013, 09:21 PM
The last few years i have read a lot of irate rants bout how unloyal players are, The decision, bosh, Melo, Deron, Howard , all of them have been bashed like crazy for their antics and not being "loyal" to their clubs.

Yesterday tough, no one uttered a single word when in the same trade 3 players were sent out of the teams where they had spent their whole careers , i get that gay is young so it was normal for it to happen, but at their age and after so much years one would expect for Prince and Calderon to be allowed to retire in their teams, instead they were flipped out of town.

So , how can we demmand loyalty from players when teams have 0 loyalty?
There are even rumorus of celtics trading pierce :facepalm: i find that as disgusting as anything Howard or Lebron did to be honest.

no place for loyalty in sports.

infact if you notice, there isnt much place for loyalty in our scociety period.

check the divource rate in north america lol its a joke. if you cant remain loyal to your own family and or spouse how can it be expected in business ? lol

def agree with your last statement croonz.. pierce is one of the all time best celtics .. it would be fitting for him to retire as a celtic.

JC_
01-31-2013, 09:34 PM
Jose was a class act for the Raptors who played his heart out for the team. But at the end of the day he wasn't our franchise guy. Neither did he 'take us anywhere'.

This bothers me. He was never meant to be the "franchise guy". If the Raptors ever made the playoffs, Jose would be a guy you want on your team because he has played in big games before and isn't scared.

Jista
01-31-2013, 09:42 PM
My loyalty to jose on the team went out the window when he requested a trade last year

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8162133/toronto-raptors-jose-calderon-working-together-trade

JC_
01-31-2013, 09:52 PM
Loyalty in the real world is gone as well with the younger generation. Kids want to be the CEO by age 30 or they move to a different company nowadays. Its the "entitlement" age. Why would athletes be any different? They see their co-workers on other teams that many have lucked out and been drafted by a great organization, and they want it too. So instead of working hard, and sticking with your team, you simply jump ship. Now, I have no problem with it, that is just how it is. What I hate are when people tell me a guy like Kobe, Duncan, Bird, Magic, or Jordan were "loyal", and guys like Bron, Barkley, or Amare are not. You are now defining the word loyal as, "a player who lucked out and was drafted into a winning environment and given great support early in his career".

Well said.

Also, a lot of organizations are just not very good at creating "winners" and as a player who plays your *** off, you expect the guys behind the curtain to do a good job as well. Take the Raptors for example, Bosh played his *** off for a long time while GM's were signing guys who were mostly either bad or couldn't care less about winning. Now a lot of people will say he wasn't loyal because he decided to leave which is ridiculous IMO.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
01-31-2013, 10:18 PM
Here's the thing that irritates me about this whole "loyalty" thing. If the Celtics know that they can't win a championship this season wouldn't it be disrespecting their star by holding him hostage on a non-contending team in the late part of that star's career where he's only playing for a championship at this point?