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black1605
01-30-2013, 06:41 PM
The Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors have agreed in principle on a trade that will send leading scorer Rudy Gay to the Raptors, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.

Gay
Gay

Sources told ESPN.com the Grizzlies will acquire forward Ed Davis and veteran guard Jose Calderon from the Raptors and then move Calderon to a third team to ultimately make this a three-team deal.

The Detroit Pistons, sources said, are one of the prime options to take on Calderon, having pursued the Spanish floor leader all season.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Pistons have agreed to send Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to the Grizzlies to acquire Calderon as part of the trade.

Memphis, sources said, is also expected to receive a second-round pick from Toronto as part of the deal.

The Raptors, sources said, are expected to take on Grizzlies reserve center Hamed Haddadi in addition to Gay.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors

black1605
01-30-2013, 06:42 PM
Link:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors


The Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors have agreed in principle on a trade that will send leading scorer Rudy Gay to the Raptors, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.


Gay
Sources told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies will acquire forward Ed Davis and veteran guard Jose Calderon from the Raptors and then move Calderon on to a third team to ultimately make this a three-team deal.

The Detroit Pistons, sources said, are one of the prime options to take on Calderon, having pursued the Spanish floor leader all season.

The Grizzlies want a small forward out of the trade and Detroit has two believed to be available: Tayshaun Prince and Corey Maggette. But Memphis, sources said, is talking to at least one other team about taking on Calderon and is expected to receive a second-round pick from Toronto as part of the deal.

The Raptors, sources said, are expected to take on Grizzlies reserve center Hamed Haddadi in addition to Gay.

The Dallas Mavericks are the other most likely landing spot for Calderon, but sources said Dallas is resistant to parting with Vince Carter, Memphis' prime target on the Mavs' roster.

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-30-2013, 06:47 PM
..wow thats just... surprising to say the least

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-30-2013, 06:48 PM
why would dallas want calderon if they already have collison?

and with det it would make sense since calderon is better than knight

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 06:48 PM
hurray calderon is f*cking gone...Greatest day ever...but ed is also gone worst day ever...mixed emotions

jakedajewler
01-30-2013, 06:49 PM
terrible trade by raps

KniCks4LiFe
01-30-2013, 06:50 PM
damn....

Johann
01-30-2013, 06:56 PM
hurray calderon is f*cking gone...Greatest day ever...but ed is also gone worst day ever...mixed emotions

It's not like Calderon played x1000 times better than Lowry this season, or anything...

Super.
01-30-2013, 06:59 PM
It's not like Calderon played x1000 times better than Lowry this season, or anything...

Your right. He didn't.

Tmath
01-30-2013, 07:02 PM
I'm one of the few Raps fans that is happy about this trade.

Raptor-54
01-30-2013, 07:02 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Source says Grizzlies will complete 3 team trade w/Toronto by dealing Jose Calderon to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince and second round pick.

.

bucketss
01-30-2013, 07:02 PM
It's not like Calderon played x1000 times better than Lowry this season, or anything...

he actually didn't

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 07:03 PM
Why did my home team take Haddadi....

da ThRONe
01-30-2013, 07:03 PM
At this point I was sure Prince would retire as a Piston.

black1605
01-30-2013, 07:04 PM
Why did my home team take Haddadi....

Because he likes to party, he doesn't cause trouble, and he doesn't bother anybody.

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 07:04 PM
but raptors don't need another 7 footer

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 07:05 PM
Its says Prince and Austin Daye for Calderon.

KniCks4LiFe
01-30-2013, 07:05 PM
If you're Raptors fan you basically got yourself a young potential star player for some ifs. Rudy Gay I mean he could very well one day be Paul Pierce.

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 07:06 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Source says Grizzlies will complete 3 team trade w/Toronto by dealing Jose Calderon to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince and second round pick.

glad to see prince on a playoff team don't know why hes rotting in a below .500 team. Same with ariza, when is he going to get departed.

ThuglifeJ
01-30-2013, 07:06 PM
wait so who is Memphis getting? There letting Gay go for little.

and on Dallas being involved and the guy bringing up collison, Collison has been absolutely terrible the worst decision maker and Carlisle HATES I repeat HATES him. He brought in FISHER and MIKE JAMES, two 50 year olds, to take his minutes in crunch time..

they wont get rid of Vince tho he's been Carlisle's favorite most this season and is playing his best in a while now. I'd be heartbroken honestly if he got shipped to another team and became labeled a journey man to end his career.. he's only 3$ million right now too

PocketKings
01-30-2013, 07:07 PM
Barring Memphis making another deal, they have some incredible front-court depth in ZBo/MG/Davis/Arthur.

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 07:07 PM
Why didn't Toronto give up Ross instead of Ed? Makes more sense for both team.

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 07:07 PM
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine ESPN sources say Pistons poised to send both Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Grizzlies to acquire Jose Calderon as part of Rudy Gay deal

carruthers32
01-30-2013, 07:09 PM
terrible trade by raps

great explanation :clap:

KniCks4LiFe
01-30-2013, 07:09 PM
This feels like a deal to go for a big fish. But who is it that Memphis is trying to get after this?

netsgiantsyanks
01-30-2013, 07:09 PM
tayshaun prince to the grizzlies? damn. would have loved to see him retire a piston.

sacgiants1213
01-30-2013, 07:11 PM
The Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors have agreed in principle on a trade that will send leading scorer Rudy Gay to the Raptors, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.

Gay
Gay

Sources told ESPN.com the Grizzlies will acquire forward Ed Davis and veteran guard Jose Calderon from the Raptors and then move Calderon to a third team to ultimately make this a three-team deal.

The Detroit Pistons, sources said, are one of the prime options to take on Calderon, having pursued the Spanish floor leader all season.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Pistons have agreed to send Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to the Grizzlies to acquire Calderon as part of the trade.

Memphis, sources said, is also expected to receive a second-round pick from Toronto as part of the deal.

The Raptors, sources said, are expected to take on Grizzlies reserve center Hamed Haddadi in addition to Gay.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors

PocketKings
01-30-2013, 07:11 PM
I feel like Memphis has something up their sleeve.

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:11 PM
We got Calderon for Prince. NICE!!!

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:12 PM
tayshaun prince to the grizzlies? damn. would have loved to see him retire a piston.

It probably killed Dumars to trade him.

netsgiantsyanks
01-30-2013, 07:13 PM
It probably killed Dumars to trade him.

or dumars didn't give a flying ****. i think that sounds more likely.

John Walls Era
01-30-2013, 07:14 PM
Why didn't Toronto give up Ross instead of Ed? Makes more sense for both team.

IIRC Only he and Jonas were truly untouchable.

Nats_vcu-Okc35
01-30-2013, 07:14 PM
Hahaha, well for better or worse, hollinger was finally gotten rid of Rudy Gay. Thought he would have got more after that Cleveland trade, but I guess getting out from that contract was the ultimate end game for them. On a side note, I think any successful trade in the espn trade machine that has any team getting Rudy gay is automatically 6 games worse in the Hollinger differential.

teddygreen17
01-30-2013, 07:16 PM
Now if the Raptors can get rid of Bargs..they'd lose they mind up there man.

bootleg42
01-30-2013, 07:17 PM
In my opinion, not a bad move for the Grizzles.

The Raptors are still terrible. This trade does not make them better.

The Pistons are still irrelevant.

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 07:17 PM
It's not like Calderon played x1000 times better than Lowry this season, or anything...

think u misread what I said, I'm happy calderon's gone and I agree Lowry is way better (just look at their efficiency ratings this season)

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:17 PM
Dumars best trade in a long time. Beautiful. Prince still has 2 more years on his contract after this season.

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 07:18 PM
Well time flip my avatar sad to see Rudy Gay he did alot for us especially during those years after the Pau trade.

He help to turn the Grizzlies around it's not his fault we overpaid him he is a solid player who will do fine in the future.

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 07:18 PM
honestly I would have given them jonas over Ed.

TheNumber37
01-30-2013, 07:18 PM
Hollinger played the numbers and won.
Rudy gay won't do anything for the Raptors (They just happen to be playing in the same division as NY, BK and BOS)
Really hope the Celtics can pick up Calderon to make things interesting.

jon32
01-30-2013, 07:18 PM
thats just absurd

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Nobody won this trade

I Rock Shaqs
01-30-2013, 07:23 PM
Damn there is 369 users browsing this thread! I didn't even know that many people go on here.

Hellcrooner
01-30-2013, 07:24 PM
Grizzlies do like bandits in this trade.

Raptors┐ Meh

Dont get it for the pistons at all.

king4day
01-30-2013, 07:24 PM
I really like this deal for Memphis. Considering they are still trying to contend, there's nothing wrong with getting championship experience back.
They also get some nice depth as well.

dalton749
01-30-2013, 07:24 PM
calderon will sign back in toronto in the off season for the mle

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 07:25 PM
Damn there is 369 users browsing this thread! I didn't even know that many people go on here.

That's what happens when something good happens for Toronto.

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 07:26 PM
Any takers for Barganani + one of the wings for upgraded pf?

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 07:27 PM
Any takers for Barganani + one of the wings for upgraded pf?

Bargnani going to be a superstar now watch.Calderon gone, a happy lowry starting, etc

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:29 PM
Grizzlies do like bandits in this trade.

Raptors┐ Meh

Dont get it for the pistons at all.

Look at Tayshauns contract and look at Calderons contract. And the Pistons don't have any true PG's. Just combo guards.

Tmath
01-30-2013, 07:29 PM
calderon will sign back in toronto in the off season for the mle

That would be hilarious

raptorsfan2012
01-30-2013, 07:30 PM
That would be hilarious

I'd kill myself lol

dalton749
01-30-2013, 07:31 PM
That would be hilarious

we will get gasol at the deadline making jose want to come back

ThaDubs
01-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Why did my home team take Haddadi....

Wait you live in Toronto and you're a Lakers fan... :facepalm:

JWO35
01-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Grizzlies pulled off a great one here, I have to give Hollinger credit....

smith&wesson
01-30-2013, 07:33 PM
I'm one of the few Raps fans that is happy about this trade.

im with you bro.

im actually estatic about this trade.

Hellcrooner
01-30-2013, 07:33 PM
Look at Tayshauns contract and look at Calderons contract. And the Pistons don't have any true PG's. Just combo guards.
brandon knight?

NFLNBA
01-30-2013, 07:35 PM
Well Memphis loses some athleticim, youth, quickness, and a good defender for some unprovens and Prince who is a poor mans Gay at this point but get POTENTIAL in Davis and clear up A LOT of $$$

Raptors get a bordline all-star players who can now be the #1 guy.

Pistons get Calderon who is way better then anything they have but give up a man who should retire a piston.

My gut feeling is Memphis wins this trade because Prince will do a lot Gay could do while free-ing up money and getting a young futire stud in Davis

Hellcrooner
01-30-2013, 07:35 PM
we will get gasol at the deadline making jose want to come back

more likely not, unless yo send lowry AND bargnani.

i dont knwo why by my crooner senses tell me Grizzlies will try to turn Randolph into a Gasol Reunion now.

Conley, Allen, Prince, Gasol, Gasol = some damage to be done out there.

NYMetros
01-30-2013, 07:36 PM
Well Memphis will definitely be worse.

bucketss
01-30-2013, 07:37 PM
Wait you live in Toronto and you're a Lakers fan... :facepalm:

we have a bunch those.

Stunner
01-30-2013, 07:37 PM
Well Memphis will definitely be worse.

not even

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 07:38 PM
Well Memphis will definitely be worse.DUH(not by much but the FO wanted to trade that contract no matter what.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 07:38 PM
Hollinger probably, and rightfully so, is doing back flips.

Memphis wins. Detroit does well (they're gonna have a ton of money to play with).

Don't like it for Toronto at all.

king4day
01-30-2013, 07:39 PM
I love the trade for everyone.

Detroit gets a passing PG who can play the 'Steve Nash' role for Monroe and Drummond.

Memphis gets cap relief but a capable Rudy replacement in Prince. They also get Davis to help build their future.

Toronto gets their goto player who can close games for them. They now have their 'star' who may wind up being an all star eventually.

This was very balanced and helps all teams.

69centers
01-30-2013, 07:39 PM
If you're Raptors fan you basically got yourself a young potential star player for some ifs. Rudy Gay I mean he could very well one day be Paul Pierce.

:no:


In my opinion, not a bad move for the Grizzles.

The Raptors are still terrible. This trade does not make them better.

The Pistons are still irrelevant.

It may make them relevant to the C's. They will now have 4 point guards and will surely be looking to move Bynum or Stuckey.


And the Pistons don't have any true PG's. Just combo guards.

You must have forgot about point guards Brandon Knight and Will Bynum. Stuckey's the only combo guard.

b@llhog24
01-30-2013, 07:40 PM
why would dallas want calderon if they already have collison?

and with det it would make sense since calderon is better than knight

Dallas? :confused:


If you're Raptors fan you basically got yourself a young potential star player for some ifs. Rudy Gay I mean he could very well one day be Paul Pierce.

:laugh:


wait so who is Memphis getting? There letting Gay go for little.

Davis and Prince are quality players.


and on Dallas being involved and the guy bringing up collison, Collison has been absolutely terrible the worst decision maker and Carlisle HATES I repeat HATES him. He brought in FISHER and MIKE JAMES, two 50 year olds, to take his minutes in crunch time..

they wont get rid of Vince tho he's been Carlisle's favorite most this season and is playing his best in a while now. I'd be heartbroken honestly if he got shipped to another team and became labeled a journey man to end his career.. he's only 3$ million right now too

Maybe a little too late.

mdm692
01-30-2013, 07:40 PM
Thank you Toronto for taking yourself out of the #1 overall pick picture :).

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 07:41 PM
If you're Raptors fan you basically got yourself a young potential star player for some ifs. Rudy Gay I mean he could very well one day be Paul Pierce.

:facepalm:

KniCks4LiFe
01-30-2013, 07:41 PM
what was Pierce before KG? I said you could very well be getting that. It's ok I'm usually proven right in this in due time.

Stunner
01-30-2013, 07:42 PM
Calderon is starting at Point and Knight is moving to SG. Stuckey is on his way out.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 07:42 PM
Thank you Toronto for taking yourself out of the #1 overall pick picture :).

Toronto got worse...long and short term. And they added a crap ton of salary.

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:45 PM
brandon knight?




You must have forgot about point guards Brandon Knight and Will Bynum. Stuckey's the only combo guard.

I like Knight, but he is not a true PG. Hes a combo guard.

bucketss
01-30-2013, 07:45 PM
DUH(not by much but the FO wanted to trade that contract no matter what.

can you give us a quick run down of gay?


for ed davis hes a good player, always goes left though, very good re bounder,shot blocker. he has a slight frame so he gets muscled sometimes. he gets up very quick that's the thing i like about him. so when he gets a nice pass in the paint anyone around him is getting posterized.

shep33
01-30-2013, 07:46 PM
Where does Zbo go now? Zbo, Arthur, Davis... one too many.

aman_13
01-30-2013, 07:47 PM
Toronto got worse...long and short term. And they added a crap ton of salary.

Not saying you are wrong, but i would like to read your reasoning.

NFLNBA
01-30-2013, 07:47 PM
Man i feel sorry for Calderon...he goes from one crap team to another lol poor guy cant catch a break

murphturph
01-30-2013, 07:47 PM
Proud To be a raps fan... Dont give a **** what anyone else thinks... Rudy will thrive here

shep33
01-30-2013, 07:47 PM
Don't like this for the Raps at all. Colangelo screwed this up. I don't see Gay + Derozan meshing well either.

Gators123
01-30-2013, 07:47 PM
Prince will be great for Memphis.

ambisme56
01-30-2013, 07:48 PM
sucks for Gay...going from an NBA championship contending team to the Raptors hahah

ManRam
01-30-2013, 07:48 PM
can you give us a quick run down of gay?

He's a scorer who scores 17 points a game on 16.4 shots a game. He rebounds decently for his position. He doesn't do much else.

Considering how inefficient he is, if I were a Toronto fan I'd be bummed. He's making max money for two more years and probably hasn't been even close to a top 50 player in the league this year.

I really think losing Calderon and Davis for Gay is a step backwards.

He and DeRozan aren't good compliments.

ambisme56
01-30-2013, 07:50 PM
Don't like this for the Raps at all. Colangelo screwed this up. I don't see Gay + Derozan meshing well either.


Agreed...I don't either....they should look to trade Derozan and Bargnani
now

jakedajewler
01-30-2013, 07:50 PM
He's a scorer who scores 17 points a game on 16.4 shots a game. He rebounds decently for his position. He doesn't do much else.

Considering how inefficient he is, if I were a Toronto fan I'd be bummed. He's making max money for two more years and probably hasn't been even close to a top 50 player in the league this year.

I really think losing Calderon and Davis for Gay is a step backwards.

He and DeRozan aren't good compliments.

IT is

KniCks4LiFe
01-30-2013, 07:50 PM
Not saying you are wrong, but i would like to read your reasoning.

there's this perception that Rudy Gay is garbage now. IDK where that started or why.

deaner
01-30-2013, 07:50 PM
can you give us a quick run down of gay?


for ed davis hes a good player, always goes left though, very good re bounder,shot blocker. he has a slight frame so he gets muscled sometimes. he gets up very quick that's the thing i like about him. so when he gets a nice pass in the paint anyone around him is getting posterized.

Also the people around the team always comment that if he works he can be good... Seems to be some concern about his work ethic.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 07:52 PM
Not saying you are wrong, but i would like to read your reasoning.

Gay is an inefficient scorer who kills team chemistry

ManRam
01-30-2013, 07:52 PM
Not saying you are wrong, but i would like to read your reasoning.

Rudy Gay has been awful this year on a really good team that takes a lot of pressure off him offensively. Dude is a "go-to scorer" who needs almost 17 shots to score 17 points a game. That's terrible. He's nothing but average defensively. He'll hit some big shots from time to time, but that's it. Decent rebounder for a 6-8 player. Brings little to no play-making ability.

He and DeRozan are the same player. Gay just shoots the three a bit better.

Gay also is signed to a max contract.

Calderon and Davis have both been better players this year.

Better how Lowry stays healthy too. This hurts PG and front court depth significantly.


It's just not worth it for a team that isn't gonna make the playoffs.

nimzboy
01-30-2013, 07:53 PM
The trade hasnt actually gone down yet right, I think they are still trying to confirm the 3rd team. The grizzlies dont really help themselves much, I would have gay over prince and ed davis wont get many minutes under zbo, unless davis get some minutes as a backup center(and he is too small for that). The grizzlies need to get a sf who can spread the floor, a guy like granger or pierce are great fits.

TheNumber37
01-30-2013, 07:53 PM
griz win huge. unloading the overrated and paid gay for young prospects like ed Davis, Austin day and a veteran glue guy like Prince. Happy prince gets to play for a winner again. his production should be up.

North Yorker
01-30-2013, 07:54 PM
I doubt BC is done. Im assuming one of, if not both, of Bargs and DeRozan are gone by next year, so with that thinking, Im ok with this deal.

deaner
01-30-2013, 07:54 PM
Gay is an inefficient scorer who kills team chemistry

Wait till Casey shapes him up. Also, I'm really hoping some chemistry happens quickly with Lowry and his best friend Rudy

ManRam
01-30-2013, 07:55 PM
there's this perception that Rudy Gay is garbage now. IDK where that started or why.

He isn't garbage.

He's just not a top 50 or so player...and he's making max money. Why a team that isn't gonna make the playoffs (this isn't getting you over the hump, sorry Toronto) moves a really promising young big man and a valuable expiring contract for a guy who maybe helps you win 2 or 3 more games a season is beyond me. Even if they do get better this year, it's a loss long term. There's no way to deny that.

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 07:56 PM
can you give us a quick run down of gay?


for ed davis hes a good player, always goes left though, very good re bounder,shot blocker. he has a slight frame so he gets muscled sometimes. he gets up very quick that's the thing i like about him. so when he gets a nice pass in the paint anyone around him is getting posterized.Just Like Mayo he will get better(First option)Will score 17 or more every game great in the post and one of the best fast break players in the NBA.He is bad with double teams(passing and dribbles) and his 3 point shooting is not that great.

selassi3
01-30-2013, 07:58 PM
I'm one of the few Raps fans that is happy about this trade.

Nah b, i'm with you..We've been lacking a solid 3 and there he is. Sucks to lose Jose since he can clearly run this offense the best, however Lowry is young and still learning with us. Maybe Jose comes back in the off seasons for cheap.

Lowry/Lucas
Derozan/Ross
Gay/Fields
Bargnani/Amir
Jonas/Gray

Meh we have the potential to be better then before that is forsure.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 07:58 PM
Pretty excited, Raptors were not getting anything better in F.A. Ed Davis will be a 16-10 guy with starters minutes in his career, nice kid. Jose will really help Detroit

FlakeyFool
01-30-2013, 07:59 PM
Inefficient chucker who is overpaid


yeeeehawww I'm ecstatic

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:00 PM
griz win huge. unloading the overrated and paid gay for young prospects like ed Davis, Austin day and a veteran glue guy like Prince. Happy prince gets to play for a winner again. his production should be up.

They might see a drop in scoring this year...but it won't be much. The way Gay has played this year makes this not a terrible loss. The past few years he was much better and much more valuable to that team. But not this year.


This isn't a great stat, for guy like Gay who is really only relied on to score it might be.


Out of 136 qualified players, 128 players score more points per shot. Gay scors 1.05 points for shot he takes. Only Sheed, Waiters, Beasley, Felton, Ronnie Brewer, Seraphin and Hibbert trail him.

Basically, you could probably give 50-60% of this league 16.4 shots a game, and you'd get more points than Gay is getting.

And he plays with plenty of offensive talent...so his production is inexcusable.

aman_13
01-30-2013, 08:01 PM
Rudy Gay has been awful this year on a really good team that takes a lot of pressure off him offensively. Dude is a "go-to scorer" who needs almost 17 shots to score 17 points a game. That's terrible. He's nothing but average defensively. He'll hit some big shots from time to time, but that's it. Decent rebounder for a 6-8 player. Brings little to no play-making ability.

He and DeRozan are the same player. Gay just shoots the three a bit better.

Gay also is signed to a max contract.

Calderon and Davis have both been better players this year.

Better how Lowry stays healthy too. This hurts PG and front court depth significantly.


It's just not worth it for a team that isn't gonna make the playoffs.

I agree with you and just wanted to read your insight on this. Im not a fan of this trade but being a Raps fan I have to learn to like it.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 08:01 PM
The way I look at it is they have Amir to replace Davis and put up similar numbers so you dont lose much depth at PF and you add a all star type SF which is exactly what they need

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:01 PM
Wait till Casey shapes him up. Also, I'm really hoping some chemistry happens quickly with Lowry and his best friend Rudy

It won't. Gay is like a taller version of Monta Ellis but without the play making ability. He Needs 20 shots to score 16 pts, and he's getting paid max money. You guys made the biggest mistake ever.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:02 PM
Nah b, i'm with you..We've been lacking a solid 3 and there he is. Sucks to lose Jose since he can clearly run this offense the best, however Lowry is young and still learning with us. Maybe Jose comes back in the off seasons for cheap.

Lowry/Lucas
Derozan/Ross
Gay/Fields
Bargnani/Amir
Jonas/Gray

Meh we have the potential to be better then before that is forsure.

I just peeped the Raps forum...a lot of you seem happy. Maybe you guys are right.

You guys did fill a huge hole at the 3 that you've had for a while...so that's exciting.

I just think that more Bargnani and Lucas cancels out the increase in offense production you'll get from Gay. Bargs has been god awful this year, and Lucas is infinitely worse than Calderon.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:04 PM
It won't. Gay is like a taller version of Monta Ellis but without the play making ability. He Needs 20 shots to score 16 pts, and he's getting paid max money. You guys made the biggest mistake ever.

Golden State has seen a lot of players play better this year which is the biggest reason for their turnaround...but there's no doubt in my mind that getting rid of Ellis is playing a big role. Guys like that aren't needed these days. This could be addition by subtraction for Memphis. If not, well, they got Ed Davis who is gonna have a great career...and a lot more financial flexibility.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:04 PM
It won't. Gay is like a taller version of Monta Ellis but without the play making ability. He Needs 20 shots to score 16 pts, and he's getting paid max money. You guys made the biggest mistake ever.

Golden State has seen a lot of players play better this year which is the biggest reason for their turnaround...but there's no doubt in my mind that getting rid of Ellis is playing a big role. Guys like that aren't needed these days. This could be addition by subtraction for Memphis. If not, well, they got Ed Davis who is gonna have a great career...and a lot more financial flexibility.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 08:05 PM
I just peeped the Raps forum...a lot of you seem happy. Maybe you guys are right.

You guys did fill a huge hole at the 3 that you've had for a while...so that's exciting.

I just think that more Bargnani and Lucas cancels out the increase in offense production you'll get from Gay. Bargs has been god awful this year, and Lucas is infinitely worse than Calderon.

Media seems to agree that Raps got a good deal, most shocked Grizz would part with Gay

Swift Game
01-30-2013, 08:05 PM
Toronto has been starving for a big time player. Rudy is probably the best player they could have got in that market. Memphis at 1st thought was just trying to shed salary but may have made out just fine. I do not really get how this impacts Detroit unless they are willing sign Calderon long term.

Lowry and Rudy Gay should be legitimate along with Derozan.

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 08:06 PM
Raptor fans lisen to me the Grizzlies offense is really bad he was playing with Tony Allen one of the worst offensive SGs in the NBA and Conley who is more of a passing PG so he had alot of pressure to score since he had no help from guards.ZBO and Gasol took alot of rebounds away from him so his rebound number should go up by alot.

Don't lisen to this haters I do agree he is getting overpaid but now he is the number option and should have more freedom.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 08:07 PM
raptor fans lisen to me the grizzlies offense is really bad he was playing with tony allen one of the worst offensive sgs in the nba and conley who is more of a passing pg so he had alot of pressure to score since he had no help from guards.zbo and gasol took alot of rebounds away from him so his rebound number should go up by alot.

Don't lisen to this haters i do agree he is getting overpaid but now he is the number option and should have more freedom.

preach:clap:

Gators123
01-30-2013, 08:07 PM
If Drummond starts like he should be-

Calderon
Knight
Singler
Monroe
Drummond

Not bad.

Calderon lobs to Drummond :drool:

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 08:09 PM
its funny how many Raptor fans hated Jose and though Davis was a bust untill 2 months ago and are now pissed..we got a guy who instantly becomes the best player on our team and maybe gets us into playoffs this yr and most likely beyond

Blitzbolt
01-30-2013, 08:11 PM
ZBO will be the Grizzlies backup C.

Marc/Zbo
ZBO/Arthor/Davis

all the 4 bigs will play like we use to with Speights.

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:11 PM
Pistons are crazy, Grizzlies are crazy. That's all I have to say.

aman_13
01-30-2013, 08:11 PM
Raptor fans lisen to me the Grizzlies offense is really bad he was playing with Tony Allen one of the worst offensive SGs in the NBA and Conley who is more of a passing PG so he had alot of pressure to score since he had no help from guards.ZBO and Gasol took alot of rebounds away from him so his rebound number should go up by alot.

Don't lisen to this haters I do agree he is getting overpaid but now he is the number option and should have more freedom.

I hope you are right.

Chill_Will_24
01-30-2013, 08:11 PM
Wow the Grizzlies got away with robbery! Gay is extremely overrated.

HouRealCoach
01-30-2013, 08:11 PM
Detroit should have also tried Knight for DeRozan because they have no quality 2 guard but it's a pretty good deal for all teams

aman_13
01-30-2013, 08:12 PM
ZBO will be the Grizzlies backup C.

Marc/Zbo
ZBO/Arthor/Davis

all the 4 bigs will play like we use to with Speights.

I think you will have Davis ahead of Arthur.

Nighthawk
01-30-2013, 08:13 PM
I thought trading Rudy was a bad decision considering the team was winning and could make a deep run. However i think Memphis is better because of this deal and i really like there depth

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:13 PM
The thing I don't get why the **** did they give up Ed Davis? The guy will be a really good player and is way better than Bragz. He's the type of player you need when rebuilding. This trade is so stupid for the Raps. This might be worst than the Joe Johnson trade. You were better off trading Derozen who basically the same player as gay along with Fields. Too many inefficient scorers in that team. Raps got worse IMO

selassi3
01-30-2013, 08:13 PM
The way I look at it is they have Amir to replace Davis and put up similar numbers so you dont lose much depth at PF and you add a all star type SF which is exactly what they need

Don't know if your a true raps fan but you know what your talkin about. That is exactly it.

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:14 PM
Raptors are playoff bound now. They got the leader they need, and they are playing in a weak east.

Clippersfan86
01-30-2013, 08:14 PM
"The fans have been with me since day 1, so it's tough to leave." - Calderon, choking back tears, before he left the arena.

;(.... Love this guy. I hope Detroit is good to him.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:16 PM
Media seems to agree that Raps got a good deal, most shocked Grizz would part with Gay

Like who? Idiots like Magic, Wilbon and Shaq?


@HPbasketball
Memphis won this in monstrous ways, even without getting a shooter. Detroit second winner. Toronto....


@SherwoodStrauss
So the Grizz would get a quality 3rd big in Davis to go with Prince's defense + shooting? Fleecing.

‏@SherwoodStrauss
Ed Davis is 23 years old, improving and already good. How did Memphis do this while saving $?

@SherwoodStrauss
Grizzlies got better and saved a bunch of cash. In theory, this shouldn't be possible. In practice? Colangelo.


@johnschuhmann
In order, I like this trade most for: 1. Memphis 2. Detroit 3. Toronto.




@basketballtalk
Bringing in Rudy Gay circles back to my main question in Toronto: What is the plan? What kind of team are they trying to build?

It goes on and on...and I'd trust those guy's words over anyone you see talking on ESPN or TNT.

Henry Abbot hates it too. He's a smart dude.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:16 PM
Golden State has seen a lot of players play better this year which is the biggest reason for their turnaround...but there's no doubt in my mind that getting rid of Ellis is playing a big role. Guys like that aren't needed these days. This could be addition by subtraction for Memphis. If not, well, they got Ed Davis who is gonna have a great career...and a lot more financial flexibility.

Getting rid of Ellis was huge because it got rid of the strangle hold that was holding back the Warriors offense. The ball movement is more crisp and getting rid of ellisballowed curry to be the main vocal point of the offense. Grizz win this trade, got rid of an overpaid player who didn't fit. There's a reason the Grizz nearly made it to the wcf without Gay.

Chill_Will_24
01-30-2013, 08:17 PM
Raptors are playoff bound now. They got the leader they need, and they are playing in a weak east.

Yeah they got an oversized JR Smith without the tattoos... they are going places.

kenzo400
01-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Detroit should have also tried Knight for DeRozan because they have no quality 2 guard but it's a pretty good deal for all teams

Knight sucks ****.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:18 PM
I will do any PSD-related bet with anyone that the Raptors don't make the playoffs. You name it, and it's a deal ;)

This don't help them at all.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:18 PM
Where does Gay fit? Gay a 3, DeRozen is a 3, and Fields is a 3... And all overpaid in top of that.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:19 PM
Raptors are playoff bound now. They got the leader they need, and they are playing in a weak east.

:facepalm:

Chill_Will_24
01-30-2013, 08:19 PM
This is what happens when teams cannot lure big name players. They are forced to trade for them and give up everything.

Gay is so overrated but hey he is athletic. That is good enough for some fans.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:19 PM
Yeah they got an oversized JR Smith without the tattoos... they are going places.

That's pretty much all Gay has been this year :hide:


He's shown he can be better and that he has way more potential than Smith...but he hasn't been any better.

Hell, I think JR HAS been better

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
Yeah they got an oversized JR Smith without the tattoos... they are going places.

I would rather have JR than Gay to be honest (a better defender) that's not a good thing thou

Chill_Will_24
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
I will do any PSD-related bet with anyone that the Raptors don't make the playoffs. You name it, and it's a deal ;)

This don't help them at all.

It hurts them

The Grizzlies just took another step forward. They look dangerous now. Prince is an upgrade over Gay in my book and they get Davis too!!! Damn that Hollinger

abe_froman
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
Media seems to agree that Raps got a good deal, most shocked Grizz would part with Gay

depends on what media your following.those that are into analytics or the main stream talkers(like on espn,ect.)who are wowed by ppg and dunking ability

SINCESTARBURY25
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
Well this probably means the pistons are going to trade Stuckey. Id take him off the bench.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:20 PM
That's pretty much all Gay has been this year :hide:


He's shown he can be better and that he has way more potential than Smith...but he hasn't been any better.

Hell, I think JR HAS been better

Damn beat me too it lol

Tmath
01-30-2013, 08:21 PM
Raptors are playoff bound now. They got the leader they need, and they are playing in a weak east.

I doubt we make it this season. Next season they SHOULD make it.

kdspurman
01-30-2013, 08:21 PM
I think this guy is going to be pretty stoked about this move.... Or will he? He may not have forgiven him for that.. :laugh2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:21 PM
Grizz front court got that much better now. Arthur and Davis are really good cornerstones

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:21 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2096863/Screen_Shot_2013-01-30_at_6.37.15_PM.png

:laugh:

We'll see if he's right ;)

pebloemer
01-30-2013, 08:23 PM
I'm one of the few Raps fans that is happy about this trade.

I don't mind it. I like Davis a lot, but Gay is a great talent. If the Raptors are able to fit around Gay, it could be a fine trade. Gay is earning a lot of money, but we aren't really poised to have cap space this coming off-season anyways and when we do Colangelo doesn't seem to spend it well. My only concern about the deal is the realization that Colangelo might not trade Bargnani...

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:24 PM
Raps are deep as hell now

Lowry
DeRozan/Ross
Gay
Johnson/Bargs
Gray

The Jokemaker
01-30-2013, 08:25 PM
Well this sucks. It's bs like this as to why i hate this sorry excuse for a league. You have good contending teams like the Thunder and Grizzlies that draft well and make smart FA decisions but still have to give up on talent to get under the cap. Won't ever see the juggernauts in the league doing that. What a joke.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:26 PM
Damn beat me too it lol

And I HATE JR Smith and just finished blasting him in another thread.

JC_
01-30-2013, 08:27 PM
Raps are deep as hell now

Lowry
DeRozan/Ross
Gay
Johnson/Bargs
Gray

lol I can't tell if you're joking.

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:28 PM
Rudy Gay is obviously not worth his contract, but he's still about the 4th best SF in the league.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 08:28 PM
We can discuss all day and the "experts" know about as much as some good posters on here. We will have to wait a few months and see how it plays out.

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:29 PM
lol I can't tell if you're joking.

They just need a solid signing in the offseason, and they're at top team in the east.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:35 PM
SFs I'd take over Gay (I'm counting LeBron and Melo as SFs, because that's what they've mostly been in their careers):

LeBron
Durant
Anthony
Pierce
Faried
George
Batum
Deng
Josh Smith
Danilo Gallinari
Thad Young (iffy, if not here, then in the next category for sure...also, he's probably more of a PF)

Guys who I'd rather have on my team because of salary reasons:

Ersan Ilyasova
MKG
Evan Turner (maybe)

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:37 PM
Raps are deep as hell now

Lowry
DeRozan/Ross
Gay
Johnson/Bargs
Gray

Oh I get it now you're trolling :laugh2:

abe_froman
01-30-2013, 08:38 PM
Rudy Gay is obviously not worth his contract, but he's still about the 4th best SF in the league.

no way he's better than pierce,deng,batum and gallo

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:39 PM
Oh I get it now you're trolling :laugh2:

Yeah. That one 100% gave it away. :laugh2:

Eagles4Lyfe
01-30-2013, 08:40 PM
SFs I'd take over Gay (I'm counting LeBron and Melo as SFs, because that's what they've mostly been in their careers):

LeBron
Durant
Anthony
Pierce
Faried
George
Batum
Deng
Josh Smith
Danilo Gallinari
Thad Young (iffy, if not here, then in the next category for sure...also, he's probably more of a PF)

Guys who I'd rather have on my team because of salary reasons:

Ersan Ilyasova
MKG
Evan Turner (maybe)

:laugh: :laugh:
Your arguments all just became extinct after that lmao
This man just said Kenneth Faried is better than Rudy Gay :laugh2: :laugh2:

selassi3
01-30-2013, 08:40 PM
I doubt we make it this season. Next season they SHOULD make it.

If you lived through Vince being out for the remainder of the season and Antonio Davis leading us to 13 straight wins to end the season and take us to the playoffs only to get screwed over by Chris Childs who took that 3 for no apparent reason when all they needed was 2 to win in the final game of the first round of the playoffs that year...... you wouldn't be ............Sooo Pessimistic... just sayin

Hawkeye15
01-30-2013, 08:40 PM
I like this trade for Memphis. They get a defensive SF who won't command so many shots, freeing up their bigs to get more looks, you know, the more efficient players. They get added depth up front, and shed some long term salary, even if Prince's deal is also ridiculous, at least its not franchise handicapping, like Gay's would be to a lot of teams.

Toronto, meh. Took on a ton of salary for a solid starter, nothing more, just to get a name.

Pistons get a half season rental on a real PG, and shed that ridiculous deal Dumars gave Prince, and Daye just sucks, who cares.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 08:42 PM
:laugh: :laugh:
Your arguments all just became extinct after that lmao
This man just said Kenneth Faried is better than Rudy Gay :laugh2: :laugh2:

Faried shouldn't be on there. He's a PF. I just copied ESPN's list of SFs and removed the ones I didn't like. Forgot to remove him.

Thad Young can play the 3 and has been better than Gay.

NYC
01-30-2013, 08:42 PM
Toronto dominated this trade. They got an All-Star caliber player for not much. Calderon/Lowry wasn't going to work long term.

What is Memphis doing? Gay, Speights, Selby and a 1st for virtually nothing. Small market owners can never fully sustain putting up the cash.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:42 PM
:laugh: :laugh:
Your arguments all just became extinct after that lmao
This man just said Kenneth Faried is better than Rudy Gay :laugh2: :laugh2:

I would take Young over Gay as well... He's a better player who doesn't hog the ball and is a capable defender. Faired idk about that one lol

Hawkeye15
01-30-2013, 08:43 PM
lot of overrated Rudy Gay here, damn.

GiantsSwaGG
01-30-2013, 08:43 PM
lot of overrated Rudy Gay here, damn.

He's on Joe Johnson status

TrueFan420
01-30-2013, 08:44 PM
SFs I'd take over Gay (I'm counting LeBron and Melo as SFs, because that's what they've mostly been in their careers):

LeBron
Durant
Anthony
Pierce
Faried
George
Batum
Deng
Josh Smith
Danilo Gallinari
Thad Young (iffy, if not here, then in the next category for sure...also, he's probably more of a PF)

Guys who I'd rather have on my team because of salary reasons:

Ersan Ilyasova
MKG
Evan Turner (maybe)
They all play pf and not like bron and melo spot minutes pf I mean full time. Although I could be wrong about young.

Gay is better than some listed but his contract sucks

JC_
01-30-2013, 08:45 PM
I think Colangelo must have been offered a job in Memphis or someone else is pulling the strings. This doesn't make sense to me at all.

gotoHcarolina52
01-30-2013, 08:45 PM
Rudy will be a big hit in Church and Wellesley, that's for sure.

bucketss
01-30-2013, 08:47 PM
id rather have faried than gay

Eagles4Lyfe
01-30-2013, 08:48 PM
Faried shouldn't be on there. He's a PF. I just copied ESPN's list of SFs and removed the ones I didn't like. Forgot to remove him.

Thad Young can play the 3 and has been better than Gay.

Ya because he has the same responsibilities as a Rudy Gay right?/ I mean teams are lining up at the Sixers door asking for him right??

Same goes for Pierce who the Celtics were rumored to be giving up for Gay himself. I mean you have your opinions and their condemnable doesn't mean everything your saying is based of actual scouting.

I can go explain more and break down why he's a top 5 SF but its pointless because it's no tlike it'll change your opinion.

I'll give you Gallo though, I think they are similar except Gay edges him defensively

lot of overrated Rudy Gay here, damn.

It's typical to expect on forums, everyone thinks they've mastered the art of advanced statistics so they think they know everything inside out and bet you haven't even watched a player consistently before judging em.

Same thing goes on in the baseball forum, people just don't understand the context or nature of using adv stats.

Now I'm not saying Gay is some amazing top 15 player but to say he's not even top 50 and a top 5 SF is just being delusional and ignorant.

JNoel
01-30-2013, 08:49 PM
Rudy will be the go to guy in Toronto, don't see how this is a negative for the Raps at all...

D2theJ
01-30-2013, 08:49 PM
I don't get this for Memphis. Why are they making a trade for the future when they have a team that could win it all? I'd be pissed if I was a Memphis fan, Davis could be good but it you significantly downgrade SF with an older Prince.

Eagles4Lyfe
01-30-2013, 08:50 PM
Rudy will be a big hit in Church and Wellesley, that's for sure.
How the heck do you know abou tthat area?? :laugh: I thought your American

id rather have faried than gay

I expect better comments than that from you;)

TrueFan420
01-30-2013, 08:50 PM
I don't get this for Memphis. Why are they making a trade for the future when they have a team that could win it all? I'd be pissed if I was a Memphis fan, Davis could be good but it you significantly downgrade SF with an older Prince.
Prince does fit tho. It gives more shots to the bigs and prince can hit a spot up 3 while playing good d

SugeKnight
01-30-2013, 08:51 PM
Raptors got the best player in the deal. I'll leave it at that

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 08:54 PM
honestly I would have given them jonas over Ed.

Can I have some of the drugs your smoking?

greg_ory_2005
01-30-2013, 08:56 PM
I'm excited about it. Rudy is one of my fav players in the league, and we've been lacking a quality SF for a long while. He should be more motivated now that he's on a new team, and is the #1 option.

bucketss
01-30-2013, 08:57 PM
btw lowry just outlasted calderon bahahaha he beat the curse.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 09:00 PM
I'm excited about it. Rudy is one of my fav players in the league, and we've been lacking a quality SF for a long while. He should be more motivated now that he's on a new team, and is the #1 option.

Im with ya, ive gone so Gay happy my butt hurts

nyanks79
01-30-2013, 09:00 PM
Best part of the deal is that Memphis kept Arthur.

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 09:00 PM
id rather have faried than gay

Sad to say but so would I... LOL.

Not to say that I don't like Gay either he fills a void for us at SF so I won't complain too much until I see a few games go by.

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 09:01 PM
btw lowry just outlasted calderon bahahaha he beat the curse.

He is the chosen one!!!

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 09:03 PM
I'm excited about it. Rudy is one of my fav players in the league, and we've been lacking a quality SF for a long while. He should be more motivated now that he's on a new team, and is the #1 option.

I'll say this we really needed a #1 option BADLY... No one knows who's supposed to close out games in Toronto so this is a nice plus for our team.

RipCity32
01-30-2013, 09:04 PM
Prince is still a very solid high IQ player and Memphis will be fine.

P.I.
01-30-2013, 09:05 PM
I don't get this for Memphis. Why are they making a trade for the future when they have a team that could win it all? I'd be pissed if I was a Memphis fan, Davis could be good but it you significantly downgrade SF with an older Prince.

Luxury Tax is too much for Memphis.

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 09:05 PM
Prince is still a very solid high IQ player and Memphis will be fine.

I agree with this...

Hellcrooner
01-30-2013, 09:07 PM
btw lowry just outlasted calderon bahahaha he beat the curse.

really?

i wouldnt gloat bout that, the curse may have one last ace under the sleeve :D

ghettosean
01-30-2013, 09:08 PM
Luxury Tax is too much for Memphis.

The trade they made with the Cavs got them out of trouble for the luxury tax. This move had nothing to do with that.

Hawkeye15
01-30-2013, 09:09 PM
It's typical to expect on forums, everyone thinks they've mastered the art of advanced statistics so they think they know everything inside out and bet you haven't even watched a player consistently before judging em.

Same thing goes on in the baseball forum, people just don't understand the context or nature of using adv stats.

Now I'm not saying Gay is some amazing top 15 player but to say he's not even top 50 and a top 5 SF is just being delusional and ignorant.

I have watched Gay plenty over his career. A few years ago, he had a case for top 5 SF. Not the last two years, and for sure not this year. He is an inefficient jumpshooter who plays average defense. On top of that, he is paid like a superstar.

J4KOP99
01-30-2013, 09:11 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't really care about this trade? It doesn't seem like anybody "won" and neither team really improved IMO.

FOXHOUND
01-30-2013, 09:14 PM
I think this is a great three way trade that greatly benefits all three teams, which is pretty rare.

Memphis
Losing a player of Gay's ability hurts, but they weren't able to use him to his abilities anyways. In his new role since Memphis shifted their teams focus to their big man duo he hasn't been the same, and they've been an absolute mess at times. This was most notable in the playoffs last year, when they lost a game 7 at home vs the Clippers bench in the 4th quarter.

Is Prince as good as Gay? Obviously not. Is he better for Memphis? I would argue yes, and quite easily too. When Memphis made a run to the WCF while Gay was hurt they did it by relying on their big men with Shane Battier at SF. What does Battier bring? Defense, passing, hitting open three and spacing the floor as a result. Prince will bring the same exact things to Memphis, where as Gay struggled in all of those besides defense. The loss of Gay's scoring will be made up by Randolph and Gasol getting far more touches, and much deserved ones. The loss of Gay's underrated ability on GW shot opportunities will be missed, but Randolph proved to be very good for them in their deep run and their better play throughout the game will easily make up for it.

They also got Ed Davis, a 23-year old PF who has been thriving lately in a larger role, and Austin Daye, a very talented 6'11 player who has shot 53% on 3s this year. Davis is a great fit to take over for Randolph in the future, who is 31-years old and will probably have a sharp decline with his physical limitations. This will also give him more time to continue polishing his raw offensive game. Daye may not provide much, but he also has the potential to replace Prince in the same role in the future.

Toronto
They got an All-Star caliber player for a talented, but still raw, young PF and a PG who wasn't going to be there next year anyways. Great value trade for them. Getting a player like Gay would be impossible through free agency, based on Toronto's FA history, and he is there for a couple of years for them to entice him to stay. He is also probably more likely to stay due to the Raptors contract offering bonuses than some other players, as he isn't a megastar. This gives them both a much needed SF who is ready and a much needed go to scorer who can come through big in late game situations. His athleticism will fit great with that roster as well, and the addition of a good defender is always a plus.

This trade also clears up their messy situation at PG, with Lowry back in a firm starting role. They gave up a lot for him, and enticing him to stay is huge for their future. This greatly helps that in two ways. One, he's back as the firm starter, a role he thrived in to start the year before an injury cost him his job. Two, he's now playing with a talent like Gay, who can help bring winning back to Toronto. If this doesn't keep him in Toronto then nothing would have, and surely not dealing with a PG battle for the rest of the year. This trade shows him the franchise is committed to him, that's a big plus.

Losing Ed Davis hurts, but there's hardly a guarantee that he will ever be as good as Gay is now. To me, that's always the right choice.

Detroit
This gives them a ton of cap space next season. It also gives them a legitimate pure PG who can help their young players this year, and maybe help their young guards learn a thing or two about passing. Losing Daye is not a big deal as he wasn't working out for them anyways. This will help start the Monroe and Drummond era, and if Frank is smart he will start giving Drummond more minutes to develop with a good offensive PG like Calderon.

GunFactor187
01-30-2013, 09:18 PM
Love this trade for us, just another step in the rebuilding process. Plenty of money flexibility now with Maggette and Calderon coming off the books and not having to pay Daye that qualifying offer.

shep33
01-30-2013, 09:19 PM
Yeah, thinking about it, Memphis owned this trade. Detroit did well too. They unloaded quite a bit of money for Calderon's expiring.

Still not getting it for Toronto.

dtmagnet
01-30-2013, 09:23 PM
Yeah, thinking about it, Memphis owned this trade. Detroit did well too. They unloaded quite a bit of money for Calderon's expiring.

Still not getting it for Toronto.

Let's let everyone play some games with their new players before we go judging.

P.I.
01-30-2013, 09:27 PM
The trade they made with the Cavs got them out of trouble for the luxury tax. This move had nothing to do with that.

If thats the case then I don't know as well.


Yeah, thinking about it, Memphis owned this trade. Detroit did well too. They unloaded quite a bit of money for Calderon's expiring.

Still not getting it for Toronto.

Its a trade that Colangelo had to make to save his job for the season. He does not give a **** about the future of the Raptors, he just needs to keep his job. With Rudy Gay I'm still not confident that this team will make the playoffs. Whats the point of Getting Rudy Gay that will avg. 16 points when you got Barganani starting giving away 20 points.

Memphis got better with Ed Davis who is solid young player and Prince Solid D and can score consistently.

jon32
01-30-2013, 09:30 PM
SN 590 The FAN ‏@FAN590
The trade call has ended, making Rudy #Gay the newest member of the @Raptors. The trade and all its components are official.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
01-30-2013, 09:31 PM
Love this for Memphis. Not a huge fan of this for the Raptors. Oh, and Hollinger takeover is officially underway.

Mell413
01-30-2013, 09:35 PM
I'm not sure I like this for Memphis. I understand this gives more touches for Randolph and Gasol. That being said I think you need guys like Gay in the playoffs. He can create his own shot which is valuable come playoff time. I know he's not the most efficient player around and he's overpaid, but I think he has value in the playoffs. If I didn't think Memphis had a chance to get to the finals I'd understand it more. I do think Ed Davis has potential so that's a plus and Prince appears to be a good fit.

Verbal Christ
01-30-2013, 09:38 PM
hollinger strikes gold in his first move. nice pieces coming back considering you never get what you think you should for 'stars'. i think gay will thrive in toronto. all he'll have to do is score and play loose and unrestrained. the memphis team is too organized for him IMO.

shep33
01-30-2013, 09:40 PM
If thats the case then I don't know as well.



Its a trade that Colangelo had to make to save his job for the season. He does not give a **** about the future of the Raptors, he just needs to keep his job. With Rudy Gay I'm still not confident that this team will make the playoffs. Whats the point of Getting Rudy Gay that will avg. 16 points when you got Barganani starting giving away 20 points.

Memphis got better with Ed Davis who is solid young player and Prince Solid D and can score consistently.

Yeah, the Grizz are looking good. I wonder if they're done though? Randolph, Arthur and Davis seems like one too many.

Either way, they saved money and added a great replacement + a guy in Davis who's on the rise.

Eagles4Lyfe
01-30-2013, 09:41 PM
I have watched Gay plenty over his career. A few years ago, he had a case for top 5 SF. Not the last two years, and for sure not this year. He is an inefficient jumpshooter who plays average defense. On top of that, he is paid like a superstar.

Oh i wasn't referring to you, I know you know your ****, but many of the reactions in here have been jokes.

Also the system he was in wasn't the proper fit for him, no one ever mentions that.

kenzo400
01-30-2013, 09:43 PM
The trade they made with the Cavs got them out of trouble for the luxury tax. This move had nothing to do with that.

Only for this year. Not for the entire length of Randolph, Gay and Gasols contracts, which would have put them over luxury tax next year.

5ass
01-30-2013, 09:44 PM
the grizzlies got a good return. I believe they will be a better team.

Blink
01-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Love this deal for Detroit. We need a PG in the worst way

b@llhog24
01-30-2013, 09:52 PM
what was Pierce before KG? I said you could very well be getting that. It's ok I'm usually proven right in this in due time.

A WAY better player than Rudy Gay.


Where does Zbo go now? Zbo, Arthur, Davis... one too many.

Why would Zbo have to go anywhere?


preach:clap:

You actually believe that drivel?


Rudy Gay is obviously not worth his contract, but he's still about the 4th best SF in the league.

No.


SFs I'd take over Gay (I'm counting LeBron and Melo as SFs, because that's what they've mostly been in their careers):

LeBron
Durant
Anthony
Pierce
Faried
George
Batum
Deng
Josh Smith
Danilo Gallinari
Thad Young (iffy, if not here, then in the next category for sure...also, he's probably more of a PF)

Guys who I'd rather have on my team because of salary reasons:

Ersan Ilyasova
MKG
Evan Turner (maybe)

If Faried is a SF, then what is Gallo?


:laugh: :laugh:
Your arguments all just became extinct after that lmao
This man just said Kenneth Faried is better than Rudy Gay :laugh2: :laugh2:

Except Faried IS better than Rudy Gay.

P.I.
01-30-2013, 09:55 PM
The trade they made with the Cavs got them out of trouble for the luxury tax. This move had nothing to do with that.

If thats the case then I don't know as well.


Yeah, thinking about it, Memphis owned this trade. Detroit did well too. They unloaded quite a bit of money for Calderon's expiring.

Still not getting it for Toronto.

Its a trade that Colangelo had to make to save his job for the season. He does not give a **** about the future of the Raptors, he just needs to keep his job. With Rudy Gay I'm still not confident that this team will make the playoffs. Whats the point of Getting Rudy Gay that will avg. 16 points when you got Barganani starting giving away 20 points.

Memphis got better with Ed Davis who is solid young player and Prince Solid D and can score consistently.

HowFit
01-30-2013, 09:59 PM
Good move by the Grizzles...

Tmath
01-30-2013, 10:00 PM
Love this deal for Detroit. We need a PG in the worst way

Not sure how the backcourt defense is going to work out though.

Calderon, Knight & Singler doesn't seem like a good combination in that regard.

richardj
01-30-2013, 10:08 PM
Some players just need a change of scenery in order to flourish their careers. For example Zach randolph going to memphis did wonders for him. I think rudy gay will thrive in toronto with lowry, derozen and ross. I like this trade for the raps!

BKLYNpigeon
01-30-2013, 10:15 PM
This is actually a good trade for all three teams.

Rudy Gay's contract is terrible, but the Raptors did get better..

ramz.n
01-30-2013, 10:15 PM
its a good trade for everyone..the raptors never had a sf who can provide what rudy gay will provide...its tough losing ed davis but when you look at the frontcourt of bargnani, j val, johnson and gray getting minutes..someone had to be moved and amir johnson/ gray aren't gonna land you rudy gay..raptors sold high on ed davis...as the the grizz makes sense they unlad salary...add an underrated player in prince who can knock down shots and can hold his own at the 3 spot while you have guys like conley, z bo and gasol providing the scoring load...as for the pistons it make sense if they are going after the expiring but with stuckey, knight, will bynum, singler, and calderon its just to many players in the backcourt when they are trying to develop knight

rocket
01-30-2013, 10:20 PM
Knight sucks ****.

Damn must be mad with that game winner he hit against you guys this year, or a few days ago where he scored 31 on 12 of 16 shooting.

netsgiantsyanks
01-30-2013, 10:23 PM
the grizzlies win the trade.

Hawkeye15
01-30-2013, 10:24 PM
Oh i wasn't referring to you, I know you know your ****, but many of the reactions in here have been jokes.

Also the system he was in wasn't the proper fit for him, no one ever mentions that.

I am not sure I buy the system argument, but we shall see. He will be the feature player in Toronto, which will hike up his usage, and I am not sure thats a good thing.

Blitzace137
01-30-2013, 10:24 PM
Gay will thrive in a fast paced offense. He can put his athletic abilities to use now in an up-tempo offense. Nice deal for the Grizz.

mark1125
01-30-2013, 10:25 PM
its a good trade for everyone..the raptors never had a sf who can provide what rudy gay will provide...its tough losing ed davis but when you look at the frontcourt of bargnani, j val, johnson and gray getting minutes..someone had to be moved and amir johnson/ gray aren't gonna land you rudy gay..raptors sold high on ed davis...as the the grizz makes sense they unlad salary...add an underrated player in prince who can knock down shots and can hold his own at the 3 spot while you have guys like conley, z bo and gasol providing the scoring load...as for the pistons it make sense if they are going after the expiring but with stuckey, knight, will bynum, singler, and calderon its just to many players in the backcourt when they are trying to develop knight

I have a feeling Stuckey will be departing soon.

It was time for Prince to go. His contract on a building team was a waste and Daye needs a new place. Calderon gives them a solid PG for now and an expiring.

Love this for Grizz and Pistons. Not horrible for Raps.

Yunqn
01-30-2013, 10:29 PM
Ross & gay make up a good wing .. What about derozan ? Is this there way of finally moving barg along w derozan to get someone like a pau gasol? Hope so for them .. Lowry ross gay gasol jonas nice team ..

Hopefully they dont hold on to derozan because they would have no floor spacing & theres no point of making ross untouchable if you wont give him mins with gay now coming in..

NBA_Starter
01-30-2013, 10:30 PM
I think it's a good deal for both teams.

ManRam
01-30-2013, 10:34 PM
Gay will thrive in a fast paced offense. He can put his athletic abilities to use now in an up-tempo offense. Nice deal for the Grizz.

Memphis' pace this year is incredibly low...so you're on to something.

However, Toronto's pace has been nearly identical. I can't see pace changing much for Toronto...especially with Calderon gone. From one slow offense to another.

JasonJohnHorn
01-30-2013, 10:42 PM
At this point I was sure Prince would retire as a Piston.

I'm a Detroit fan, and I gotta say, this is what I was thinking. Unless Prince expressed an interest to be traded, I would be disappointed about this trade. He was a special guy and a stand up player and was in a position to do something few players do in this league, and that is retire having only wore one jersey.

That said, I do think Calderon makes the Pistons better, I just wish they could have gotten rid of Charlie-V and Stuckey in the trade as well.


As for the Raptors, I feel the same way about Prince. Calderon could have been the first and only guy to play his entire career as a Raptor, but the front office didn't have enough respect for his game. I imagine the Pistons are going to get a lot of offers for him before the deadline. The Raptors though have a legit All-Star calibre player on their team now, and got some front court depth with Hamed Haddadi. Haddadi isn't great on offense, but he works hard on defense and rebounds the ball well. He's a good guy to have coming off the bench when your rotation guys are in foul trouble.

Memphis. Had Memphis not go Prince back on this deal, I'd say they were fawked, but he's a great role player and defender, and he's a team-first guy, so he's going to help Memphis and I am happy for him that he's back on a contender. Memphis though, after having traded Speights doesn't have much depth at the power positions, and I thought the entire purpose of that trade was to prevent them from having to trade Gay or Z-Bo. Memphis better get on the horn to Kenyon Martin to come off the bench in case one of their rotation players gets into foul trouble or get injured.

Memphis, I gotta say they lost out on this trade.

spreadeagle
01-30-2013, 10:42 PM
Colangelo just said Raps are not done trading "good first step" before trade deadline, so more moves expected, lets see who else he gets before we judge this deal. Id say Bargs for Pau now is a big possibility

heyman321
01-30-2013, 10:44 PM
Just got back from my night class. DAMN. Colangelo is a dumb mother****er. Trading a good distributing point guard and what was our potential PF of the future for a overpaid chucker.

I applaud you Bryan, you've reached a new low.

LanceUpperCut
01-30-2013, 10:45 PM
Memphis' pace this year is incredibly low...so you're on to something.

However, Toronto's pace has been nearly identical. I can't see pace changing much for Toronto...especially with Calderon gone. From one slow offense to another.

I loved Jose but it was by no means fast paced with him out there, I'm not saying that in a bad way either.

I other news during the ATL and T.O. game they just interviewed BC and he made it pretty clear that he's not done dealing and has a plan whether it works out we will see.

LanceUpperCut
01-30-2013, 10:46 PM
Just got back from my night class. DAMN. Colangelo is a dumb mother****er. Trading a good distributing point guard and what was our potential PF of the future for a overpaid chucker.

I applaud you Bryan, you've reached a new low.

Man you hate everything.

Avenged
01-30-2013, 10:53 PM
Memphis with the robbery.

The goods
01-30-2013, 10:55 PM
Did the pistons just trade Calderon for Prince and daye? How ****ing ******** is that?

Avenged
01-30-2013, 10:56 PM
Thank you Toronto for taking yourself out of the #1 overall pick picture :).

Don't see how that's possible since they got worse.

Maybe if they had kept Calderon... Bone head move.

The goods
01-30-2013, 10:57 PM
Ross & gay make up a good wing .. What about derozan ? Is this there way of finally moving barg along w derozan to get someone like a pau gasol? Hope so for them .. Lowry ross gay gasol jonas nice team ..

Hopefully they dont hold on to derozan because they would have no floor spacing & theres no point of making ross untouchable if you wont give him mins with gay now coming in..

Yes!!!!!!!! I would love this deal.

rocket
01-30-2013, 10:58 PM
Did the pistons just trade Calderon for Prince and daye? How ****ing ******** is that?

No we traded Prince and Daye for Calderon. That's a STEAL for the Pistons.

Hellcrooner
01-30-2013, 11:05 PM
Colangelo just said Raps are not done trading "good first step" before trade deadline, so more moves expected, lets see who else he gets before we judge this deal. Id say Bargs for Pau now is a big possibility

that wont work, lakers will want lowry.

And if they didnt Lowry, derozan, Gay, Gasol, Jonas is as disfunctional a unit as it gets, not to mention Pau and Gay dont like each other from memphis days, or the fact that pau needs to play CENTER now, so whos palying pf? stunt jonas in the bench?

Bad idea.

reffahead
01-30-2013, 11:11 PM
Talk about persistence paying off. And yep, DD or Ross have to go.

Cracka2HI!
01-30-2013, 11:12 PM
Toronto is -6 in the trade machine with Memphis and Detroit being +3 LOL! I don't see it being that bad for them, Gay could fit in and thrive being a #1 option for really the 1st time in his career.

R. Johnson#3
01-30-2013, 11:13 PM
Memphis' pace this year is incredibly low...so you're on to something.

However, Toronto's pace has been nearly identical. I can't see pace changing much for Toronto...especially with Calderon gone. From one slow offense to another.

Really? Calderon and Lowry are polar opposites when it comes to speed. Calderon walks the ball up the floor and takes his time. Lowry likes to push it.

b@llhog24
01-30-2013, 11:24 PM
I'm a Detroit fan, and I gotta say, this is what I was thinking. Unless Prince expressed an interest to be traded, I would be disappointed about this trade. He was a special guy and a stand up player and was in a position to do something few players do in this league, and that is retire having only wore one jersey.

That said, I do think Calderon makes the Pistons better, I just wish they could have gotten rid of Charlie-V and Stuckey in the trade as well.


As for the Raptors, I feel the same way about Prince. Calderon could have been the first and only guy to play his entire career as a Raptor, but the front office didn't have enough respect for his game. I imagine the Pistons are going to get a lot of offers for him before the deadline. The Raptors though have a legit All-Star calibre player on their team now, and got some front court depth with Hamed Haddadi. Haddadi isn't great on offense, but he works hard on defense and rebounds the ball well. He's a good guy to have coming off the bench when your rotation guys are in foul trouble.

Memphis. Had Memphis not go Prince back on this deal, I'd say they were fawked, but he's a great role player and defender, and he's a team-first guy, so he's going to help Memphis and I am happy for him that he's back on a contender. Memphis though, after having traded Speights doesn't have much depth at the power positions, and I thought the entire purpose of that trade was to prevent them from having to trade Gay or Z-Bo. Memphis better get on the horn to Kenyon Martin to come off the bench in case one of their rotation players gets into foul trouble or get injured.

Memphis, I gotta say they lost out on this trade.

Wow.


Memphis with the robbery.

Guess they learned from the Lakers ;)

pebloemer
01-30-2013, 11:24 PM
Colangelo just said Raps are not done trading "good first step" before trade deadline, so more moves expected, lets see who else he gets before we judge this deal. Id say Bargs for Pau now is a big possibility

I could still see him packaging Bargnani with a wing (Alan Anderson or Terrence Ross perhaps?) to try and get another big man to compliment Amir and Valanciunas.

STL Don
01-30-2013, 11:29 PM
Wow didn't expect to see this when I got home. This is a pretty big and interesting trade.
The Grizzlies have one of the best front lines in the league, however, without Gay, there will be more opportunity for Randolph/Gasol.
I do think Prince will fit in nicely, not so sure about Ed Davis. This is a bummer for him.

The Raptors offense should improve now that Lowry will become their full time starter and having Rudy Gay at SF.

We'll see how Detroit handles their pg situation, not really sure why they involved themselves in this deal already having their pg of the future in Knight.

Sly Guy
01-30-2013, 11:29 PM
I could still see him packaging Bargnani with a wing (Alan Anderson or Terrence Ross perhaps?) to try and get another big man to compliment Amir and Valanciunas.

if he trades ross I'ma firebomb his house.

ryder78c
01-30-2013, 11:30 PM
grizz save money
Raptors get a Franchise player and have a chance to get rid of Bargs now
Pistons....ehhh

Raptors

Barg/Jonas
Johnson
Gay/Fields
Derozan/Ross
Lowry

Grizzles

M.Gasol/Daye
Randolph/Davis
Prince/Pondexter
Allen/Wroten
Conley/Bayless

Pistons

Monroe
Drummond
Singler
Stuckey
Knight/Calderon


you cant tell me raptors got worse when they added a player who scores 17ppg and would be a leader there they need to get rid of bargs maybe get josh smith there for bargs and fields

C A.Johnson & Jonas V
PF J.Smith
SF Gay
SG Derozan/Ross
PG Lowry

IversonIsKrazy
01-30-2013, 11:39 PM
Grizz got worse, but it's not like their management cares, all they wanna do is shed $$$.
Pistons got better.
Raptors; although they got btr, all it did is put them back into what they were couple of years ago; mediocrity.
I have cheered for Raps for a long time, (only Canadian team), honestly, we nvr rebuild properly, which is ****. We never rebuild properly, we always half *** it, then go into mediocrity. Well Raptor fans, get ready for another couple of years of mediocrity followed by going into a lottery team.

dreday
01-30-2013, 11:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors

I just don't understand why the raptors want so many wings players: derozen, ross, gay. are they going to move one of these other guys?

Blitzbolt
01-31-2013, 12:10 AM
This will make us better on defense and that's scary since we are already the best defense.Prince is a better 3 point shooter and will give more Space for ZBO and Gasol.

Hellcrooner
01-31-2013, 12:12 AM
This will make us better on defense and that's scary since we are already the best defense.Prince is a better 3 point shooter and will give more Space for ZBO and Gasol.

Dont go with zbo for deadline.
Owners are going cheap so they will flip him too ( and open PT for Davis)

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
01-31-2013, 12:15 AM
David Locke:*People in the NBA have told me the Rudy Gay deal is the domino that starts the dealings. Do the flood gates open?*Twitter @Lockedonsports

That's what I hope! Its always fun time of the year when trade deadline is around

mdm692
01-31-2013, 12:17 AM
Toronto got worse...long and short term. And they added a crap ton of salary.

Gay will win them enough games to slide down to say 7 or 8, maybe even 10.

gwrighter
01-31-2013, 12:18 AM
People saying this is good for Detroit and Memphis have no idea what they're talking about. Memphis needs to be ready to re-sign Ed Davis by halloween or else he's walking in FA. Detroit traded Prince for cap space.

This is a good trade for Toronto. Dealt from 2 positions of the most strength for a position that was the weakest. Rudy fits the uptempo style the Raps want to play.

Lowry
Derozan/Ross
Gay/Fields
Johnson/Bargs
Valanciunas/?

Scary lineup in a couple seasons.

DoMeFavors
01-31-2013, 12:20 AM
So is Dumars admiting Knight isnt a starting pg?

Rego247
01-31-2013, 12:23 AM
if he trades ross I'ma firebomb his house.

Lol.

THE MTL
01-31-2013, 12:24 AM
Damn, talk about can be had on the cheap. Prince/Daye for Gay?!?!?! thats it? And raptors did good. They arent getting no major star to come there so the next best thing is to get borderline stars and hopefully get lucky. I dont know how chemistry will work, but the Raps look pretty decent on paper.

ssr2020
01-31-2013, 12:27 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6rqkop
or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ahsyryn

Anyone? BC says hes not done dealing

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
01-31-2013, 12:30 AM
Lol westbrook? Not happening

UPRock
01-31-2013, 12:31 AM
So Knight is going to play SG from now on?

mzgrizz
01-31-2013, 12:40 AM
Wow. Took me forever to read the comments. I was working so hard I didn't see it really coming, but as a Grizz fan, I'll have to live with it. Good luck to you Rudy !!! Enjoyed watching you play. And welcome to Ed Davis, Tayshaun Prince and Daye. Wow. Also adios to a crowd favorite Hamed Haddadi.

Mile High Champ
01-31-2013, 12:41 AM
I have yet to post my thoughts about this deal, so here I go.

I am possibly one of the few people that like this trade. It is hard to argue that the Raptors did not get the best player in this deal. Yes Gay certainly is not playing like it but he remains easily the most talented player in this deal and the only player with any chance of becoming a star. I am not saying that Gay will become that in Toronto but I do believe he will be given every opportunity to do so. Gay needed a change of scenery from Memphis as his role really was left undecided and unknown after he got injured two years ago when the Grizz made that solid run in the playoffs. I do believe that Gay can return to the level where he once was prior to the injury and I believe Toronto gives him that chance. Is he worth 18 million a year? No not at all. But DeRozan and Bargs are not worth their contracts either. You always buy when the the stock is low and when we are talking about an athletic speciman like Gay, I believe it is a good move.

Personally I am happy we traded Davis when his value was at his highest. I for one never saw the frontcourt of Ed Davis and Jonas Valanciunas ever working. Both players have far too similar of an offensive game to be effective. Davis has a very weak shot outside of 15 feet and I really believe we need a guy with a stronger mid range game than Davis will likely ever bring. Do I believe Davis will ever develop this? No I don't since he is so effective right at the rim and coaches will have him stick with what he does well. With Davis and Jonas Valanciunas in the post, we simply have too many bigs crowding the paint when we have three guards/fowrard on the peremter capable of breaking down the D and getting the ball to the basket. We need spacing and Davis and Valanciunas are not the answer together. Additionally Davis also lacked the strength and size to guard most power forwards in the league. Davis simply got abused in post defense giving up nearly a full 1 point per possesion. Yes this could also improve but I doubt it. In the end Valanciunas simply has more upside and he gives you everything Davis does but he is a much more capable defender, shot blocker and rebounder. Davis is not a particlarly good offensive rebounder either which limits his effectivness in my mind in expanding his game.

I am sad to see Calderon go but I do believe it was neccesary in letting Lowry develop. Lowry is the type of player that needs a defined role. I am not saying that the role has to be given to him but I do believe if he knows what his responsibility and assignment is each night, he wil perform at a high level and I do believe that he even one day MAYBE reach that top 5 PG level he has shown in the past. Lasy year before he got injured, he was playing at an elite level. Lowry certainly has all the tools and I really like what I have seen from him of late with his unselfish play and playmaking.

It is also very obvious that Bargs will likely also be headed out soon. The Raps will likely need to add another rebounding big to the line up capable of knocking down the mid range shot while not demanding a lot of shots in the offense. It is very clear that we are likely to be a team that lives and dies by the jump shot but I do think we are better off now than we were 24 hours ago.

This trade will go down as a steal for the Raptors in a few years as I do believe this is the turning point of Gay's career.

gwrighter
01-31-2013, 12:47 AM
I have yet to post my thoughts about this deal, so here I go.

I am possibly one of the few people that like this trade. It is hard to argue that the Raptors did not get the best player in this deal. Yes Gay certainly is not playing like it but he remains easily the most talented player in this deal and the only player with any chance of becoming a star. I am not saying that Gay will become that in Toronto but I do believe he will be given every opportunity to do so. Gay needed a change of scenery from Memphis as his role really was left undecided and unknown after he got injured two years ago when the Grizz made that solid run in the playoffs. I do believe that Gay can return to the level where he once was prior to the injury and I believe Toronto gives him that chance. Is he worth 18 million a year? No not at all. But DeRozan and Bargs are not worth their contracts either. You always buy when the the stock is low and when we are talking about an athletic speciman like Gay, I believe it is a good move.

Personally I am happy we traded Davis when his value was at his highest. I for one never saw the frontcourt of Ed Davis and Jonas Valanciunas ever working. Both players have far too similar of an offensive game to be effective. Davis has a very weak shot outside of 15 feet and I really believe we need a guy with a stronger mid range game than Davis will likely ever bring. Do I believe Davis will ever develop this? No I don't since he is so effective right at the rim and coaches will have him stick with what he does well. With Davis and Jonas Valanciunas in the post, we simply have too many bigs crowding the paint when we have three guards/fowrard on the peremter capable of breaking down the D and getting the ball to the basket. We need spacing and Davis and Valanciunas are not the answer together. Additionally Davis also lacked the strength and size to guard most power forwards in the league. Davis simply got abused in post defense giving up nearly a full 1 point per possesion. Yes this could also improve but I doubt it. In the end Valanciunas simply has more upside and he gives you everything Davis does but he is a much more capable defender, shot blocker and rebounder. Davis is not a particlarly good offensive rebounder either which limits his effectivness in my mind in expanding his game.

I am sad to see Calderon go but I do believe it was neccesary in letting Lowry develop. Lowry is the type of player that needs a defined role. I am not saying that the role has to be given to him but I do believe if he knows what his responsibility and assignment is each night, he wil perform at a high level and I do believe that he even one day MAYBE reach that top 5 PG level he has shown in the past. Lasy year before he got injured, he was playing at an elite level. Lowry certainly has all the tools and I really like what I have seen from him of late with his unselfish play and playmaking.

It is also very obvious that Bargs will likely also be headed out soon. The Raps will likely need to add another rebounding big to the line up capable of knocking down the mid range shot while not demanding a lot of shots in the offense. It is very clear that we are likely to be a team that lives and dies by the jump shot but I do think we are better off now than we were 24 hours ago.

This trade will go down as a steal for the Raptors in a few years as I do believe this is the turning point of Gay's career.

Pretty much agree with everything, especially the bold

Mile High Champ
01-31-2013, 12:53 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b6rqkop
or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ahsyryn

Anyone? BC says hes not done dealing

Come on man. Neither of these are going to happen.

Wade n Fade
01-31-2013, 01:08 AM
Bargs has no value outside of shooting. Why would a team want that contract?