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LakersMaster24
01-30-2013, 12:41 AM
Let's say Kobe Bryant does not spend the majority of his career as an incredible scorer, but instead played a more overall game.

Imagine if instead of averaging like:

27PPG on 45FG% 5APG and 5RPG for his career.

Kobe averaged:

22PPG on 52FG% 8APG 7RPG for his career.

How different would his career be? Would he have more rings? Less rings? More MVPs? How high would you rank him in the Top-10? Could he make a case for Top 3 if he won the same amount of rings?

LAKobeBryant
01-30-2013, 12:42 AM
more what if threads?

ewing
01-30-2013, 12:47 AM
What if Greg "Cadillac" Anderson focused on his ball handling more?

LakersMaster24
01-30-2013, 12:53 AM
Just a hypothetical question inspired by Kobe's recent play.

Cal827
01-30-2013, 12:56 AM
Probably be looked at as more.

He would still likely 4-5 titles (Shaq dominated for three, and the one from Orlando... the Boston one is a tossup, but

50+ percent shooter while averaging close to triple double numbers. Already great defender (declining though... at this point the fact that he's on the first team is a complete fail by the NBA lol)

Still with the dagger shots.

Top 5 all time. MJ, MJ, Kareem would be ahead... maybe Chamberlain...

Doogolas
01-30-2013, 01:03 AM
The real question is:

What if Shaq had CP3's handles.

Unstoppable.

Mr_Jones
01-30-2013, 01:05 AM
Things would be....

DIFFERENT.

Mr_Jones
01-30-2013, 01:06 AM
The real question is:

What if Shaq had CP3's handles.

Unstoppable.

**** that. Would rather have Shaq getting Reggie Miller's shooting. Poopiesss

tredigs
01-30-2013, 01:06 AM
How'd he become such a better career rebounder? The facilitating I can see, and in some questions they actually would not be better teams. Certain teams NEED their stars to be volume shooters, even at the cost of a bit of efficiency. But on a team like this? Obviously they'll be much better if he allows his elite teammates to stay involved.

ThaDubs
01-30-2013, 01:13 AM
**** that. Would rather have Shaq getting Reggie Miller's shooting. Poopiesss

What about both?

LakersMaster24
01-30-2013, 01:16 AM
How'd he become such a better career rebounder? The facilitating I can see, and in some questions they actually would not be better teams. Certain teams NEED their stars to be volume shooters, even at the cost of a bit of efficiency. But on a team like this? Obviously they'll be much better if he allows his elite teammates to stay involved.

When Kobe sets his mind to rebound, he can rebound at a great rate. I agree that some teams need a high-volume shooter, but averaging 22-23PPG on 52FG% is great. If he averages 8 assists, that means he is responsible for another 16 points. So in reality he is responsible for about 35-38 points. Had Kobe been more pass minded back in '04 lets say, that series wouldn't end 4-1.

Doogolas
01-30-2013, 01:19 AM
How'd he become such a better career rebounder? The facilitating I can see, and in some questions they actually would not be better teams. Certain teams NEED their stars to be volume shooters, even at the cost of a bit of efficiency. But on a team like this? Obviously they'll be much better if he allows his elite teammates to stay involved.

Eh, a couple reasons:

A) Taking fewer shots gives him WAY more opportunities to get offensive boards, because he isn't the guy putting up the shot.

B) Spending so much less energy jumping and taking contact from taking fewer shots would leave him more energy to crash the boards.

Cal827
01-30-2013, 01:24 AM
What about both?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7pkzxdwKH1rurmz4o1_400.gif

b@llhog24
01-30-2013, 01:32 AM
Around the same. Great players are generally great players irrespective of their environment.

Lucky.
01-30-2013, 01:51 AM
What about both?

Mind. Blown.

HoopsMachine
01-30-2013, 01:56 AM
less scoring titles, more rings, more MVP awards, and Shaq probably would have retired as a Laker

ewing
01-30-2013, 02:03 AM
What if Kobe decided to play cricket instead? Would he be the most famous athlete in the history of Australia? Would he have been a better bowling or hitter? Would he have still have been accused of rape?

Cal827
01-30-2013, 02:05 AM
What if Shaq had Reggie's shooting, CP3's handles, Stockton's passing, and Larry Bird's hairdo?

Sactown
01-30-2013, 02:24 AM
I don't understand why you'd think Kobe would be more efficient if he shot less and passed more; even when Kobe took 27 shots a game compared to his 18 shots a game seasons the fg% is practically identical, but to continue.

I think if Kobe was open to becoming a better teammate and changed his shot selection, I think he would of won more Rings, more MVPs, and more finals MVP's and here is why.

I don't think Shaq leaves early, and I think he has a few more good seasons in LA where he starts to become Kobe's 2nd fiddle and they win 2 more championships.. During that span as Kobe as the #1 option I think he wins 1-2 MVP's. If he decided to pass up those difficult jumpers he takes, I think his FG% would rise, but just passing the ball wouldn't be enough to raise it, a switch in mindset would have to change.. He'd have to trust his teammates more..

I also think they would of won during Phils last season if Kobe decided to feed the ball in the post and become more of a team player.. if he changed those things I think he would of averaged something like this

20-7.5-5. I'm not changing his rebounds because being a better passer isn't going to make him a better rebounder, and for whoever said offensive rebounding would change because he wasn't shooting, but looking for a 2nd opportunity is insane.. Kobe isn't going to average 4 offensive rebounds a game, and nor would Phil want them to lack in transition defense..

I think he wins more, and is a more likeable teammate.

I think his all time ranking would change as well, Lakers fans would have him in the top 3, everyone else between 10-15..
Lakers would praise him for his rings, Most other fans would credit the rings to team play, and attack him because his peak would statistically probably be weaker.

Lim
01-30-2013, 02:28 AM
he would have more championships. easily.

Lakerfan In NY
01-30-2013, 01:22 PM
**** that. Would rather have Shaq getting Reggie Miller's shooting. Poopiesss

Better is what if Shaq shot Free Throws like Steve Nash.

Chronz
01-30-2013, 01:33 PM
Knowing Kobe the passer version would probably come with 4 turnovers a game.

Keep in mind Phil asked him to be the facilitator early in his career despite his desire to score and they ran off a 3-peet so its not like that much would change. But maybe Shaq likes that version of Kobe more than the one he got and they stick together. Overall tho, the man was put on this planet to score, his playmaking is assocaited with his threat as a scorer so they kind of go hand in hand.

I have a hard time picturing the 50% and 7rebounds tho. Thats pretty much the peak Kobe was at when he was in his athletic prime on a poor rebounding team. No projection model would ever have Kobe that great of a rebounder.

jsthornton7
01-30-2013, 01:37 PM
**** that. Would rather have Shaq getting Reggie Miller's shooting. Poopiesss

I would rather have Shaq get Kobe's work ethic.

Chronz
01-30-2013, 01:38 PM
I would rather have Shaq get Kobe's work ethic.

LMFAO. Over having Reggie Miller's shooting?


Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard