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sammyvine
01-25-2013, 03:22 PM
Over Brandon Jennings as well.

People always label Kevin Love as an empty stat player but what about Irving?

His team record is awful.

shep33
01-25-2013, 03:26 PM
He plays with arguably the worst talent in the NBA.

Chronz
01-25-2013, 03:27 PM
Kevin Love was making All-Star teams wasn't he?

tredigs
01-25-2013, 03:34 PM
Because he's better than BJ? Love was making All Star teams himself. Jenning's is just Monta with a better 3pt shot. Though not a great 3pt shooter.


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shep33
01-25-2013, 03:34 PM
Yeah if you put him on the Bucks, they'd be better.

waveycrockett
01-25-2013, 03:36 PM
Because he's a flashy player and coaches want to throw CLeveland a bone for what happened to Varajeo.

ManRam
01-25-2013, 03:45 PM
Over Brandon Jennings as well.

People always label Kevin Love as an empty stat player but what about Irving?

His team record is awful.

It's not his fault he plays on a bad team. Not everyone who puts up stats on bad teams is putting up "empty stats". He's a great player, and having a great year. He just doesn't have much help around him. All-Star selections should be about taking the best individual players, and he's one of them. What guard in the East is more deserving?

I can't think of any. Brandon Jennings definitely isn't better either.

rocket
01-25-2013, 03:46 PM
Because he's a god.

DeyAce
01-25-2013, 03:48 PM
Irving is better than Jennings

ILLUSIONIST^248
01-25-2013, 03:48 PM
Over Brandon Jennings as well.

People always label Kevin Love as an empty stat player but what about Irving?

His team record is awful.

kyrie is a beast that's why/

jmoney85
01-25-2013, 03:49 PM
brandon jennings is AWFUL

Chronz
01-25-2013, 03:49 PM
Also, people should really only bring up team records if it correlates with the players strength.

Like the Bucks are better than the Cavs, but thats entirely due to their defense, which is mostly the result of their surprising frontcourt/depth.

Its true that Jennings and Ellis carry the offense, but the Cavs offense is actually better than the Bucks.

So unless you can think the teams defense being superior to the Cavs has alot to do with BJ, you shouldn't be bringing up team records. Kyrie is actually producing on a better offensive team.

Seems to me the only reason the Bucks have a better record is because they have better defenders. Whereas Kyrie is getting more out of his teammates offensively, but lack the bigs/depth to really hold it down on defense.

Mitch Kramer
01-25-2013, 03:50 PM
because rose is injured

:nod:

TheNumber37
01-25-2013, 03:56 PM
dude, if you're gonna ask why Irving made the team, don't mention Brandon Jennings. mention Lopez.

PrettyBoyJ
01-25-2013, 03:57 PM
because brandon jennings is inconsistent and is a jacker and not to mention not better than Kyrie like not even a little bit

NYYCowboys
01-25-2013, 03:58 PM
Jennings: 17.55 PER, 3.5 WS, .112 WS/48, .515 TS%, .468 eFG%, 26.4 Ast%, 105 ORtg, 105 DRtg

Irving: 22.30 PER, 3.2 WS, .136 WS/48, .567 TS%, .520 eFG%, 32.3 Ast%, 109 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Irving is just a better player. Not really close either.

todu82
01-25-2013, 04:01 PM
Because he's a good player and a former #1 pick.

Stunner
01-25-2013, 04:04 PM
He wouldnt have made it if Rose was healthy , Jru still would because he is having a better all around season stat wise. But based on this season he is the 3rd best PG in the East and will be 4th when Rose comes back . D -Will and Jennings didnt deserve to make it over Kyrie or Jrue.

King Drew
01-25-2013, 04:06 PM
anyone who says irving doesn't deserve to be an all star is ******** .... hes a beast with a well under 500 team to support him

kswissdaf
01-25-2013, 04:07 PM
Because he is the second best point guard in the NBA

sammyvine
01-25-2013, 04:07 PM
dude, if you're gonna ask why Irving made the team, don't mention Brandon Jennings. mention Lopez.

Yeah Brook Lopez

time4change
01-25-2013, 04:12 PM
Jennings should have made it.

Bklyn24
01-25-2013, 04:15 PM
have you ever actually seen kyrie play? if you put him on a good team people would consider him one of the best pg's in the league. the kid can defintiely play and is much better than jennings

WITZ
01-25-2013, 04:15 PM
You can't win with some people Kyrie Irving isn't a all star because his team has a losing records, but when Mo williams was with the cavs putting up similar number but better shooting percentages then Brandon Jennings is this season people were all over him saying he wasn't a deserving allstar and that was on a 66 WIN team.

Yunqn
01-25-2013, 04:15 PM
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JNoel
01-25-2013, 04:17 PM
Because Kyrie has put up all-star stats.

sep11ie
01-25-2013, 04:18 PM
Howcome isn't a word.

HouRealCoach
01-25-2013, 04:22 PM
Brandon Jennings?? U have to be kidding me....

Kyrie was going up against who? Deron Williams? Joe Johnson? Jeff Teague? JR Smith?... None of those guys have made that strong of a case

Yunqn
01-25-2013, 04:24 PM
Jennings: 17.55 PER, 3.5 WS, .112 WS/48, .515 TS%, .468 eFG%, 26.4 Ast%, 105 ORtg, 105 DRtg

Irving: 22.30 PER, 3.2 WS, .136 WS/48, .567 TS%, .520 eFG%, 32.3 Ast%, 109 ORtg, 109 DRtg

Irving is just a better player. Not really close either.

How do u guys find these stats ?

ShockerArt
01-25-2013, 04:26 PM
Whycome you don't have a tattoo?

mp3
01-25-2013, 04:28 PM
I love Kyrie and do think he deserved it. It also helps that he's in the JV East. Clearly not making it out West.

ztilzer31
01-25-2013, 04:39 PM
He plays with arguably the worst talent in the NBA.

You mean Andy V plays with some of the worst talent in the NBA. Now he's out and Cleveland is the worst team in the NBA again.

justinnum1
01-25-2013, 04:40 PM
top 5 PG in the league...

tredigs
01-25-2013, 04:42 PM
You mean Andy V plays with some of the worst talent in the NBA. Now he's out and Cleveland is the worst team in the NBA again.

Hahah Right, cause with no Kyrie that team would've coasted to the 8 seed!

There is the fact that they went 2-9 with no Kyrie in the lineup this year, but whatevs.

LA4life24/8
01-25-2013, 05:39 PM
because kyrie irving is good? and brandon jennings is so so? jennings is a streak shooter, kyrie has a legit all around game, and within the next 5 years will probably surpass rondo and cp3 ( not saying better than cp3's prime just saying at that time) for best pg in the league

NYK_GURU
01-25-2013, 05:50 PM
When you see Kyrie Irving play you say to your self that's an all-star. You get the feeling he'd be doing that as a number 1 or 2 option on a good team as well. i think he deserved the nod. Whereas when you see say a Brandon Jennings play, u say that's a good player but u don't necessarily think all-star right away.

Klivlend
01-25-2013, 05:56 PM
because he's ****ing good. and a young rising star.

RenegadeRiot36
01-25-2013, 06:02 PM
Anyone thats seen a single Cavs game this year already knows why. Thats not even counting his stats. And the only reservation from him is his assist average and that comes from incompetent teammates missing when he sets them up. I said last year, Kyrie has the talent to average 25 and 10 later on in his career. He is a top 3 point guard right now, and will be the top by the end of next year.

kozelkid
01-25-2013, 06:02 PM
Because he's a flashy player and coaches want to throw CLeveland a bone for what happened to Varajeo.

He's also better than any Net player.

Seriously, yall are only complaining because you haven't seen much of the Cavs. Aside from Irving, especially with Varejao gone, that team is TERRIBLE. Irving is very, very good and is likely one year removed from being elite.

Ezio
01-25-2013, 06:05 PM
Because he destroyed Wall in the Fresh vs Soph draft.

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 06:05 PM
Kevin Love was making All-Star teams wasn't he?

Love wasn't voted in, and was an injury replacement the year he was putting up historic numbers never seen before (20/15/40%) after many in the media made a huge fuss over him being snubbed, and his team was in the playoff seeding last year at this time. Kyrie goes against the norm, he missed a bunch of games, and plays on an awful team. Its obvious his hype and media coverage helped his case here. The OP has a point, just didn't make it very clear. Usually, to make the all star team if you are on a doormat team, you need ridiculous numbers, and while Irving's numbers are good, he missed games, and they aren't blowing anyone away.

Blitzbolt
01-25-2013, 06:06 PM
I think bad teams don't deserve to have a Allstars I don't care how flashy or good the player is.

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 06:08 PM
Also, people should really only bring up team records if it correlates with the players strength.

Like the Bucks are better than the Cavs, but thats entirely due to their defense, which is mostly the result of their surprising frontcourt/depth.

Its true that Jennings and Ellis carry the offense, but the Cavs offense is actually better than the Bucks.

So unless you can think the teams defense being superior to the Cavs has alot to do with BJ, you shouldn't be bringing up team records. Kyrie is actually producing on a better offensive team.

Seems to me the only reason the Bucks have a better record is because they have better defenders. Whereas Kyrie is getting more out of his teammates offensively, but lack the bigs/depth to really hold it down on defense.

sure, but you know that is not how the voting goes dude. Record absolutely means something, even if it shouldn't.

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 06:10 PM
I think bad teams don't deserve to have a Allstars I don't care how flashy or good the player is.

then you fall in line with the majority of voters who continually shun better players that happen to have far less talent around them..

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 06:12 PM
anyone who says irving doesn't deserve to be an all star is ******** .... hes a beast with a well under 500 team to support him

I am not disagreeing with you guys here, I am simply stating that the norm would exclude Kyrie. Usually players on terrible teams get overlooked, unless they are putting up stats that blow your mind. These players can even be better than half the all star team, but they usually get overlooked.

SeoulBeatz
01-25-2013, 06:14 PM
You gotta see Kyrie play to realize how good he is. IMO Kyrie is CLEARLY better than Jennings.

Blitzbolt
01-25-2013, 06:20 PM
I am not disagreeing with you guys here, I am simply stating that the norm would exclude Kyrie. Usually players on terrible teams get overlooked, unless they are putting up stats that blow your mind. These players can even be better than half the all star team, but they usually get overlooked.

They don't deserve it is that simple I don't care if they are playing with a WNBA team Wins is the only important stat.So they get overlooked for a reason.

WITZ
01-25-2013, 06:21 PM
You gotta see Kyrie play to realize how good he is. IMO Kyrie is CLEARLY better than Jennings.

^^ pretty much this, Kenny smith said something along the line that "Kyrie has been playing at an allstar level so why hold it against him just because his team isn't winning".

SeoulBeatz
01-25-2013, 06:32 PM
^^ pretty much this, Kenny smith said something along the line that "Kyrie has been playing at an allstar level so why hold it against him just because his team isn't winning".

I second that.

Without Kyrie the Cavs would be 0-43.

There's only so much he can do with the talent around him.

The same can be said of Jrue Holiday this season. Sure the Sixers are pretty bad with a 17-25 record, but it's no coincidence they're 0-4 in games Holiday missed. He IS our ENTIRE offense and it's astonishing he's still able to get 9 apg considering how awful our wings have been from the outside this season (Evan turner is our leading 3pt% shooter... on a team with J Rich, Nick Young, and Dorell Wright)


Kevin Love dealt with the same criticism in Minnesota, there was only SO much he could do with the talent he had around him.

You can't choose what team you play for.

NYYCowboys
01-25-2013, 06:51 PM
How do u guys find these stats ?

http://www.basketball-reference.com

ManRam
01-25-2013, 07:15 PM
They don't deserve it is that simple I don't care if they are playing with a WNBA team Wins is the only important stat.So they get overlooked for a reason.

"Don't deserve it"???? It's not Kyrie's fault his team blows.

Put the best players in, period. It's more enjoyable that way.

Hell, very few of us have gotten a chance to even see him play more than a few times probably. Him on a national stage is great. I'd rather see him than some random player from a better team who isn't as good and who I get to see on national TV all the time.

sunsfan88
01-25-2013, 08:04 PM
Because Kyrie is Uncle Drew while Jennings is....?

Arch Stanton
01-25-2013, 08:08 PM
I second that.

Without Kyrie the Cavs would be 0-43.

There's only so much he can do with the talent around him.

The same can be said of Jrue Holiday this season. Sure the Sixers are pretty bad with a 17-25 record, but it's no coincidence they're 0-4 in games Holiday missed. He IS our ENTIRE offense and it's astonishing he's still able to get 9 apg considering how awful our wings have been from the outside this season (Evan turner is our leading 3pt% shooter... on a team with J Rich, Nick Young, and Dorell Wright)


Kevin Love dealt with the same criticism in Minnesota, there was only SO much he could do with the talent he had around him.

You can't choose what team you play for.

They won 2 games without Kyrie. They would be at least 2-41.

Stunner
01-25-2013, 08:21 PM
Ok this is how it is. This year the coaches had to pick 2 guards , 2 SF 's and 3 any combo of PF/C . This is a down year at the PG spot because Rose is hurt and D WIll is underperforming so in this part the winning aspect went out of the window . That's why JRue and Kyrie had a chance to get in and well deserved . They're playing great . The SF spot is a lil the same way . Pierce isn't having a better year than last and his team is under .500 so which two players at the spot are producing and winning while their franchise player is out ? PG and Deng . Bosh deserves to be three , he is putting up I think 17 and 7 as the third option and few fg attempts . The battle of Center was hard but they gave it to Chamdler who is a double double machine , defensive anchor and shooting 64 % . Noah has been the same but is Also averaging 4 assist per game . The real reason why Brook got snubbed is because of the Fans voting . KG should not be on this team , if the fans actually watched basketball instead of voting off names Tyson , Noah or Brook would have gotten the starting gig and the other two Would have gotten the coaches pick .

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 08:22 PM
They don't deserve it is that simple I don't care if they are playing with a WNBA team Wins is the only important stat.So they get overlooked for a reason.

so penalize a player for playing on a team where he has no help, gotcha. And that is the norm honestly, which is why its a bit surprising Irving made it to me. Though Rose being down helps a ton.

mp3
01-25-2013, 08:26 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1117215/IrvingWow2.gif :nod:

beasted86
01-25-2013, 08:49 PM
He should not have made it in. This is another case of stat-fiending by the coaches or whoever votes reserves in. No player on a team with a bottom 5 record should get voted in unless its the fans, but I expect more from the coaches.

No hate whatsoever, Kyrie is very good. But there are similar caliber players that are on winning teams that should get in instead.

Hawkeye15
01-25-2013, 09:01 PM
He should not have made it in. This is another case of stat-fiending by the coaches or whoever votes reserves in. No player on a team with a bottom 5 record should get voted in unless its the fans, but I expect more from the coaches.

No hate whatsoever, Kyrie is very good. But there are similar caliber players that are on winning teams that should get in instead.

since when have the coaches done their jobs when it comes to this? They routinely leave guys off that should have made it.

CarlosJ23
01-25-2013, 09:13 PM
Because HE GETS BUCKETS...

scaramantula
01-25-2013, 09:22 PM
it should have been calderon

mjt20mik
01-25-2013, 09:59 PM
Cause the coaches feel bad he has to play for CLE.. I mean c'mon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8

OceanSpray
01-25-2013, 10:44 PM
Irving is way better than Jennings.. It's not even an argument. If you're talking about winning teams, put anyone in Cleveland.. Only LeBron or Durant can carry them.

seikou8
01-25-2013, 10:47 PM
watch the cavs-mil game thats why 35 points and 5 rebounds and two steals

mp3
01-25-2013, 10:47 PM
Well I think all the people wanting Jennings over Kyrie can take a back seat after tonights game.

WITZ
01-25-2013, 10:51 PM
Well I think all the people wanting Jennings over Kyrie can take a back seat after tonights game.

:clap: ,yeah maybe this will end that discussion.

flclfanman
01-25-2013, 11:03 PM
Kyrie Irving>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon Jennings in every way possible

passing, shooting, scoring, post game,etc.

I'll be stunned silent the year BJ makes an ASG.

Arch Stanton
01-25-2013, 11:04 PM
Cause the coaches feel bad he has to play for CLE.. I mean c'mon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8

You're so funny! Very original material.

Arch Stanton
01-25-2013, 11:07 PM
I think Brook Lopez should of made it but he doesn't play the guard position.

Arch Stanton
01-25-2013, 11:10 PM
Kyrie with 75 points over the last two games.

Vee-Rex
01-25-2013, 11:27 PM
Living in Cleveland and watching a lot of Kyrie, I can say the dude is truly gifted. He's better than Jennings in every way. What makes him special is that he plays a very skilled, intelligent game. He's got speed, but his athleticism isn't what drives his game. It's his skill.

A key attribute I like is that he is clutch. Kyrie has hit several game-winning shots already and this is only his 2nd year. If he can have a healthy career, I think he could be a superstar for years to come.

LAKobeBryant
01-25-2013, 11:29 PM
Because he drop'd 35 points today

Stunner
01-25-2013, 11:31 PM
Only thing Jennings does better than Kyrie at the moment is pass

RenegadeRiot36
01-25-2013, 11:43 PM
Nope, Jennings has teammates that are arent offensively incompetent. Kyrie is a great distributor, but a mixture of an insane amount of misses after assists and his role on the team as the only main scorer takes away from his numbers.

Asik's better
01-26-2013, 12:23 AM
Kyrie's way better than Jennings at the moment. Jennings biggest problem at the moment is that there is a poison standing next to him each game called Monta Ellis.

RipCity32
01-26-2013, 12:52 AM
Why is there even a thread debating Jennings over Kyrie.Kyrie is on a whole different level than Jennings.This is well deserved for Kyrie hes a stud.

Steelers23_06
01-26-2013, 01:08 AM
Irving is a beast enough said.

Arch Stanton
01-26-2013, 01:08 AM
ESPNChrisPalmer chris palmer
Prediction: Kyrie Irving will win All-Star Game MVP. Dude's gonna show out.
about an hour ago


That's a lot of pressure. But as Kyrie says "pressure makes diamonds."

OceanSpray
01-26-2013, 01:15 AM
So basically we're going to punish a player for having a terrible team with injured players. Kyrie Irving is leading a terrible roster of a team. Asides from Varejao, Cavs were no better than when LeBron left. It's just a matter of time before Irving leaves as well. Put Jennings on Cavs... Let's see what happens.

THE MTL
01-26-2013, 01:17 AM
Look at Irving's numbers.

Sadds The Gr8
01-26-2013, 01:43 AM
whoever thinks Jennings should be in over Irving is a clown

Arch Stanton
01-26-2013, 01:45 AM
So basically we're going to punish a player for having a terrible team with injured players. Kyrie Irving is leading a terrible roster of a team. Asides from Varejao, Cavs were no better than when LeBron left. It's just a matter of time before Irving leaves as well. Put Jennings on Cavs... Let's see what happens.

Different position players and different teams. LeBron made the team too good too soon that they never benefited from any additional quality draft picks. Put Jennings on the Cavs and he becomes even more of a chucker.

OceanSpray
01-26-2013, 01:49 AM
Different position players and different teams. LeBron made the team too good too soon that they never benefited from any additional quality draft picks. Put Jennings on the Cavs and he becomes even more of a chucker.

I was talking about the fact that asides from Irving, the team hasn't changed one bit. They haven't added anyone of relevance. Varejao had an amazing season and Irving does what he does. Can't find a reason to penalize him when Cavs management are terrible. They are known for doing nothing to help the franchise player.

STL Don
01-26-2013, 02:18 AM
Brandon Jennings? Yeah, he's a solid player, an above average point guard but there are more deserving players than him that should have made it. Deron Williams, Paul Pierce, etc. They make a better argument. Although, Irving was the better choice.

Arch Stanton
01-26-2013, 02:24 AM
I was talking about the fact that asides from Irving, the team hasn't changed one bit. They haven't added anyone of relevance. Varejao had an amazing season and Irving does what he does. Can't find a reason to penalize him when Cavs management are terrible. They are known for doing nothing to help the franchise player.

How so?
Tristan Thompson has almost averaged 14 and 12 since AV left. You have to understand that they had to build from scratch after LeBron left for Miami. The Cavs have like 10 1st round picks over the next 3 years with a lot of cap space.

texanmonstra011
01-26-2013, 02:26 AM
im glad he made it. this whole "all stars have to be on winning teams" is a bunch of garbage. the nba didnt use to be that way. there are plenty of players in the nba that are more deserving than some all stars, but they dont get the love because their team isn't winning.

texanmonstra011
01-26-2013, 02:26 AM
Lopez should of made it over chandler or noah too

OceanSpray
01-26-2013, 02:27 AM
How so?
Tristan Thompson has almost averaged 14 and 12 since AV left. You have to understand that they had to build from scratch after LeBron left for Miami. The Cavs have like 10 1st round picks over the next 3 years with a lot of cap space.

I'm not saying anything negative towards your beloved Cavs. Please understand that. I'm simply stating that they aren't a contending team and that's why Irving shouldn't be penalized for it. Cap space doesn't mean anything considering they signed O'neal for $20,000,000. It's to my belief that Cavs are going to play the draft pick lottery game as Seattle did.

Arch Stanton
01-26-2013, 02:27 AM
So what do you expect Cavs management to do (which by the way has changed over time)?

OceanSpray
01-26-2013, 02:34 AM
So what do you expect Cavs management to do (which by the way has changed over time)?

I expected Cavs management to get help for their franchise player. It was LeBron James who never got that help. It's soon going to be Kyrie Irving. They need to make a pitch for Dwight Howard or something. Cleveland was fortunate to have LeBron. Kyrie has a chance to be a big time player, but it will only be wasted if nothing changes.

WITZ
01-26-2013, 03:59 AM
I'm not saying anything negative towards your beloved Cavs. Please understand that. I'm simply stating that they aren't a contending team and that's why Irving shouldn't be penalized for it. Cap space doesn't mean anything considering they signed O'neal for $20,000,000. It's to my belief that Cavs are going to play the draft pick lottery game as Seattle did.

Huh cap space doesn't mean anything ,they just acquired a lottery pick along with 3 young players from the griz thanks to having cap space & they didn't sign shaq to a $20 million dollar contract he was traded for ben wallace, sasha pavlovic & a 2nd round pick :laugh2: .

OceanSpray
01-26-2013, 04:07 AM
Huh cap space doesn't mean anything ,they just acquired a lottery pick along with 3 young players from the griz thanks to having cap space & they didn't sign shaq to a $20 million dollar contract he was traded for ben wallace, sasha pavlovic & a 2nd round pick :laugh2: .

Regardless, he was still a part of their cap space. He took up more cap space than LeBron. Cap space does mean something. However, it's irrelevant when you can't manage it.

Mishmin
01-26-2013, 04:20 AM
Because Kyrie is a monster

MILLERHIGHLIFE
01-26-2013, 09:37 AM
watch the cavs-mil game thats why 35 points and 5 rebounds and two stealsYeah Jennings and Ellis laid a egg in that game badly. But Jennings still killed the 76ers in both match ups. Bucks go as far as Jennings and Ellis can chuck. Still the coaches said reason Jennings didn't make it last year was poor record. This year were in the playoffs. Still a snub. Think Kenny Smith said reason why Bucks and Nets were snubbed all stars cause our coaches were fired.

LAKobeBryant
01-26-2013, 10:29 PM
This is why!!!!!

seikou8
01-26-2013, 10:32 PM
This is why!!!!!

yup kyrie game winner

Tony_Starks
01-26-2013, 10:36 PM
Kyrie is so cold. This guy just calmly walked down and dropped the gw 3 like its nothing.....

Phenomenonsense
01-26-2013, 10:44 PM
Did you not see what he just did to the RAPTORS!? Who does that!? Who walks up court with 12 seconds to go, down by 2, dribbles the time down to like 4 seconds, then goes into a shot and nails a three for the win?

heyman321
01-26-2013, 10:46 PM
Did you not see what he just did to the RAPTORS!? Who does that!? Who walks up court with 12 seconds to go, down by 2, dribbles the time down to like 4 seconds, then goes into a shot and nails a three for the win?

Jeremy Lin :laugh2:

It's common for the Raptors to suck and blow double digit leads.

Sly Guy
01-26-2013, 10:47 PM
Did you not see what he just did to the RAPTORS!? Who does that!? Who walks up court with 12 seconds to go, down by 2, dribbles the time down to like 4 seconds, then goes into a shot and nails a three for the win?

A guy who saw the man covering him was too big and was playing off him for the drive, that's who.

ThaDubs
01-26-2013, 10:57 PM
A guy who saw the man covering him was too big and was playing off him for the drive, that's who.

You mad cause Kyrie just ****ed you Gilbert Arenas style.

Vampirate
01-26-2013, 10:59 PM
Who's Howcome Kyrie Irving?

Sly Guy
01-26-2013, 11:07 PM
You mad cause Kyrie just ****ed you Gilbert Arenas style.

nah man, it was a good shot. But it doesn't turn him into an all star.

ThaDubs
01-26-2013, 11:11 PM
nah man, it was a good shot. But it doesn't turn him into an all star.

Haha what? That's wasn't my point. The point was that you're mad because you got ****ed Gilbert Arenas style. And Kyrie is definitely all-star worthy. He's a top point guard doing it all surrounded by **** talent.

Sly Guy
01-26-2013, 11:13 PM
Haha what? That's wasn't my point. The point was that you're mad because you got ****ed Gilbert Arenas style. And Kyrie is definitely all-star worthy. He's a top point guard doing it all surrounded by **** talent.

we'll disagree on that. But sufficed to say, we were due for a last second loss, after all, derozan did the same to the magic 2 days ago. What goes around, comes around, my friend.

SeoulBeatz
01-26-2013, 11:26 PM
nah man, it was a good shot. But it doesn't turn him into an all star.

Kyrie is a bonafide all-star man. I hate when players get hyped up too much but you can't deny how good this kid is. He makes it look easy at such a young age.

greg_ory_2005
01-26-2013, 11:27 PM
Stupid Kyrie :cry:

ThaDubs
01-26-2013, 11:31 PM
we'll disagree on that. But sufficed to say, we were due for a last second loss, after all, derozan did the same to the magic 2 days ago. What goes around, comes around, my friend.

The kid has gone 40, 35, and 32 the last 3 games.

CavsYanksDuke
01-26-2013, 11:32 PM
85 pro games. 5 game winners. Numbers don't lie.

the_color_finn
01-26-2013, 11:35 PM
Kyrie Irving is the 2nd best PG in the game behind CP3, FACT.

Irving is the most clutch player in the game already at 20 years old, Melo is getting close behind, FACT.

Kyrie Irving will win an MVP and a title in the 2014-15 season when LBJ comes back to town, FACT.

Brandon Jennings couldn't carry Kyrie's jock and is overrated, FACT.

Everyone needs to start watching Kyrie Irving play more, FACT.

Trolls gonna troll, haters gonna hate, FACTS ARE FACTS!

CavsYanksDuke
01-26-2013, 11:41 PM
Fact is a declarative statement about a proven point in science or history.

ThaDubs
01-26-2013, 11:47 PM
Kyrie Irving is the 2nd best PG in the game behind CP3, FACT.

Irving is the most clutch player in the game already at 20 years old, Melo is getting close behind, FACT.

Kyrie Irving will win an MVP and a title in the 2014-15 season when LBJ comes back to town, FACT.

Brandon Jennings couldn't carry Kyrie's jock and is overrated, FACT.

Everyone needs to start watching Kyrie Irving play more, FACT.

Trolls gonna troll, haters gonna hate, FACTS ARE FACTS!

That was cheesy and mostly untrue.
Kyrie isn't better than Steph, Jrue, or Rondo.
Kyrie is clutch but is not as clutch as KD, Kobe, or LBJ.
Kyrie is going to win an MVP in my opinion but you can't predict when.

Schulte212
01-27-2013, 12:02 AM
That was cheesy and mostly untrue.
Kyrie isn't better than Steph, Jrue, or Rondo.
Kyrie is clutch but is not as clutch as KD, Kobe, or LBJ.
Kyrie is going to win an MVP in my opinion but you can't predict when.

Kyrie Irving is unquestionably better than Steph and Jrue. :facepalm: I wish Cavs games were on TV more often. Just watch him play...he is easily a top 3 PG in the league right now. CP3 and Rondo are the only two who have a claim at being better IMO, but with the way Kyrie is playing and the rate at which he is improving, they won't much longer.

Steph Curry and Jrue are good players, but are people actually going to compare them to Kyrie right now??? Crazy

beasted86
01-27-2013, 12:03 AM
Kyrie's way better than Jennings at the moment. Jennings biggest problem at the moment is that there is a poison standing next to him each game called Monta Ellis.

Well let's see here... last season without Ellis, and with Bogut and Jax the Bucks were a lottery team going 18-24 before the trade. After the trade to get Ellis they went 13-11 to end the 2011-12 season. To continue it, this season so far they are a currently a 7th seed playoff team (if they started today) with a 23-19 record.

The reason why people consider Ellis a cancer is because they are opinion-less ESPN following stat geeks.

Schulte212
01-27-2013, 12:04 AM
That was cheesy and mostly untrue.
Kyrie isn't better than Steph, Jrue, or Rondo.
Kyrie is clutch but is not as clutch as KD, Kobe, or LBJ.
Kyrie is going to win an MVP in my opinion but you can't predict when.

And seriously...LBJ? I get Kobe and KD have huge reps for being clutch, but save for last post season, Lebron has been consistently one of the least clutch superstars in the game. Lebron is obviously the best player in the NBA, but lets be real--he's never been hugely "clutch."

the_color_finn
01-27-2013, 12:10 AM
That was cheesy and mostly untrue.
Kyrie isn't better than Steph, Jrue, or Rondo.
Kyrie is clutch but is not as clutch as KD, Kobe, or LBJ.
Kyrie is going to win an MVP in my opinion but you can't predict when.

He's the 2nd best behind CP3, more clutch than Durant and LBJ for sure, Kobe's close but I'd take Kyrie at this point in their careers, as far as MVP goes, you're right, he could very easily get it next season, he's that good...

Go back and read my post, concentrate on the "haters gonna hate" part, that's directed at you

beasted86
01-27-2013, 12:10 AM
Kyrie Irving is the 2nd best PG in the game behind CP3, FACT.

Irving is the most clutch player in the game already at 20 years old, Melo is getting close behind, FACT.

Kyrie Irving will win an MVP and a title in the 2014-15 season when LBJ comes back to town, FACT.

Brandon Jennings couldn't carry Kyrie's jock and is overrated, FACT.

Everyone needs to start watching Kyrie Irving play more, FACT.

Trolls gonna troll, haters gonna hate, FACTS ARE FACTS!

I love how you state your opinion on Kyrie then state fact after every version of your opinion. Real original.

OceanSpray
01-27-2013, 12:12 AM
And seriously...LBJ? I get Kobe and KD have huge reps for being clutch, but save for last post season, Lebron has been consistently one of the least clutch superstars in the game. Lebron is obviously the best player in the NBA, but lets be real--he's never been hugely "clutch."

Must be why he has a better FG% than Kobe during clutch moments.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 12:16 AM
Kyrie Irving is unquestionably better than Steph and Jrue. :facepalm: I wish Cavs games were on TV more often. Just watch him play...he is easily a top 3 PG in the league right now. CP3 and Rondo are the only two who have a claim at being better IMO, but with the way Kyrie is playing and the rate at which he is improving, they won't much longer.

Steph Curry and Jrue are good players, but are people actually going to compare them to Kyrie right now??? Crazy

Lol. Steph is one of 3 players in the NBA averaging over 20, 4 and 6. The other two being LeBron and Westbrook. Jrue is a sizey PG who can do everything and is a crazy distributer. Kyrie is ridiculous, and a future MVP, but I still think Steph and Jrue are better for the moment.

OceanSpray
01-27-2013, 12:18 AM
Lol. Steph is one of 3 players in the NBA averaging over 20, 4 and 6. The other two being LeBron and Westbrook. Jrue is a sizey PG who can do everything and is a crazy distributer. Kyrie is ridiculous, and a future MVP, but I still think Steph and Jrue are better for the moment.

Steph and Jrue have the better team, yes. Better than Kyrie? No....

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 12:20 AM
He's the 2nd best behind CP3, more clutch than Durant and LBJ for sure, Kobe's close but I'd take Kyrie at this point in their careers, as far as MVP goes, you're right, he could very easily get it next season, he's that good...

Go back and read my post, concentrate on the "haters gonna hate" part, that's directed at you

I'm a gigantic Kyrie fan. Definitely my 2nd favorite player in the league outside of all Warriors players. I spent like 100$ on a Kyrie jersey lol believe me I'm a huge banwagonner of him and I watch a lot of Cavs games.
You just sound like an idiot stating opinions and calling them facts.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 12:22 AM
Steph and Jrue have the better team, yes. Better than Kyrie? No....

Players who are as talented as Steph and Jrue would have better stats on a team where nobody is good enough to be considered much of a second option. Steph is playing on a team with an all-star and a possible future all-star in Klay Thompson. Put Steph on a Cavs team and he could be a 25, 4, and 8 player. Put Jrue on a Cavs team and he could be a 20, 5, and 11 player.

Blitzbolt
01-27-2013, 12:22 AM
No Wins no allstar is that simple.

Like it or not I don't want to see losers in the Allstar game.

OceanSpray
01-27-2013, 12:23 AM
I'm a gigantic Kyrie fan. Definitely my 2nd favorite player in the league outside of all Warriors players. I spent like 100$ on a Kyrie jersey lol believe me I'm a huge banwagonner of him and I watch a lot of Cavs games.
You just sound like an idiot stating opinions and calling them facts.

Are you going to burn it when he leaves?

OceanSpray
01-27-2013, 12:23 AM
No Wins no allstar is that simple.

Like it or not I don't want to see losers in the Allstar game.

Guess we won't be seeing you then.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 12:26 AM
Are you going to burn it when he leaves?

No?

the_color_finn
01-27-2013, 12:48 AM
I'm a gigantic Kyrie fan. Definitely my 2nd favorite player in the league outside of all Warriors players. I spent like 100$ on a Kyrie jersey lol believe me I'm a huge banwagonner of him and I watch a lot of Cavs games.
You just sound like an idiot stating opinions and calling them facts.

First sign of a weak argument and even weaker person is namecalling, I don't waste my time with immature people...

the_color_finn
01-27-2013, 12:51 AM
If Kyrie had a better supporting cast he would be averaging double digit assists, he has the likes of hot and cold rookies Waiters and Zeller, and a a guy that belongs in the DL in Gee, the proof is out there, watch Kyrie videos on youtube, at the Olympic practices this summer, the dude is head and shoulders above Steph an Jrue, like I said he's second best behind CP3, and he bested Rondo within the last week...

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 12:53 AM
First sign of a weak argument and even weaker person is namecalling, I don't waste my time with immature people...

I said you look like an idiot. :facepalm:
Besides there was no argument. You were stating opinions and calling them facts, which means you weren't right. You called me a Kyrie hater and I'm not, which means you weren't right. I win. Call me immature, whatever. I said you looked like an idiot because I thought you did and most people would agree. It doesn't make me immature.

RenegadeRiot36
01-27-2013, 12:57 AM
Players who are as talented as Steph and Jrue would have better stats on a team where nobody is good enough to be considered much of a second option. Steph is playing on a team with an all-star and a possible future all-star in Klay Thompson. Put Steph on a Cavs team and he could be a 25, 4, and 8 player. Put Jrue on a Cavs team and he could be a 20, 5, and 11 player.

HAHAHAHA. I dont think you've ever seen a Cavs game before in your life. There is no support for that prediction whatsoever. Kyrie is a better passer than both of them, but the ball has to go in for it to count as an assist. Look away from the stat book for a minute or two and actually watch a basketball game. And dont get me started about scoring. Kyrie's offensive skillset is, well quite frankly, perfect. There are no holes in his game whatsoever. Luke Walton recently said the only player hes ever played with or against that had a similar skillset was Kobe himself.


And do you not understand that when Kyrie is on the floor, he is the only offensive threat on the team? The entire team can put their entire defensive priority on them. And he still drops 24 a game on them. Curry and Jrue couldnt dream of that.

joseph aka Jman
01-27-2013, 01:03 AM
Because he just hit a ridiculous game winning pull up 3 right now thats why

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:07 AM
That was cheesy and mostly untrue.
Kyrie isn't better than Steph, Jrue, or Rondo.
Kyrie is clutch but is not as clutch as KD, Kobe, or LBJ.
Kyrie is going to win an MVP in my opinion but you can't predict when.

1) Yes he is.
2) He was last season, only Cp3 was more clutch than Kyrie last season.
3) Agreed.


HAHAHAHA. I dont think you've ever seen a Cavs game before in your life. There is no support for that prediction whatsoever. Kyrie is a better passer than both of them, but the ball has to go in for it to count as an assist. Look away from the stat book for a minute or two and actually watch a basketball game. And dont get me started about scoring. Kyrie's offensive skillset is, well quite frankly, perfect. There are no holes in his game whatsoever. Luke Walton recently said the only player hes ever played with or against that had a similar skillset was Kobe himself.

And do you not understand that when Kyrie is on the floor, he is the only offensive threat on the team? The entire team can put their entire defensive priority on them. And he still drops 24 a game on them. Curry and Jrue couldnt dream of that.

He's really not "that" great of a passer, I'd take Jrue and Curry over him in passing at the moment. He's a better player than them, that's for sure.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 01:11 AM
HAHAHAHA. I dont think you've ever seen a Cavs game before in your life. There is no support for that prediction whatsoever. Kyrie is a better passer than both of them, but the ball has to go in for it to count as an assist. Look away from the stat book for a minute or two and actually watch a basketball game. And dont get me started about scoring. Kyrie's offensive skillset is, well quite frankly, perfect. There are no holes in his game whatsoever. Luke Walton recently said the only player hes ever played with or against that had a similar skillset was Kobe himself.


And do you not understand that when Kyrie is on the floor, he is the only offensive threat on the team? The entire team can put their entire defensive priority on them. And he still drops 24 a game on them. Curry and Jrue couldnt dream of that.

:facepalm: Oh god.

I don't see why you guys are treating me like I'm not on your side. I came in this thread supporting you guys and I even just said I'm a huge Kyrie fan. Anyways you're going out on a limb saying that Curry and Jrue could never dream of averaging 24. Curry's already averaging 21 and isn't yet in his prime. Jrue is averaging 19 and is only 22 years old. You sound extremely mad and I don't get why. And of course Luke Walton's going to say that. The only other team he's played with in his career is LA. But the worst part of your post was calling Kyrie a better passer than Steph. Watch a Warriors game. He's been doing ridiculous bounce passes, behind the back passes, and no look passes on a quarterly basis. Watch the top ten plays lol!

But dude calm down I'm totally on your side and I agree that it's straight out weird how talented the kid is. I mean he's gone 40, 35 and 32 his last 3 games, but he's not yet at Jrue or Steph's level YET. I think Kyrie will make it further in the long run. But at the moment these are two players I think are better.

RenegadeRiot36
01-27-2013, 01:12 AM
If Curry is such a better passer, why is he only averaging 0.9 more while being on a playoff team with much better scorers?

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 01:18 AM
If Curry is such a better passer, why is he only averaging 0.9 more while being on a playoff team with much better scorers?

Because his passes are much more difficult to execute and he still executed them beautifully. Did you see that bounce pass vs. the Clippers past BG? Never seen Kyrie do that. Did you see that no look feed to D Lee early this season? Never seen Kyrie do that. But still, as I repeat myself again, I love Kyrie and I'm on your side.

RenegadeRiot36
01-27-2013, 01:23 AM
I respect the fact that youre allowed to have an opinion, but youre making it harder and harder for me. Like i said in my earlier post, you obviously havent watched Kyrie ever play.

http://hoopmixtape.com/2012/11/kyrie-irving-splits-defenders-and-throws-no-look-behind-the-back-pass-to-verejao/

Thats one.

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:27 AM
If Curry is such a better passer, why is he only averaging 0.9 more while being on a playoff team with much better scorers?

Isiah Thomas once averaged 14 assists, while Jason Kidd has never been over 11. I'm sure you would agree that Kidd is a worlds better passer than Zeke.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 01:28 AM
I respect the fact that youre allowed to have an opinion, but youre making it harder and harder for me. Like i said in my earlier post, you obviously havent watched Kyrie ever play.

http://hoopmixtape.com/2012/11/kyrie-irving-splits-defenders-and-throws-no-look-behind-the-back-pass-to-verejao/

Thats one.

It's funny you say that because I was actually watching that game. :facepalm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ot69_XTmE

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:29 AM
If Jrue tried to average 24ppg, it would be on some pretty horrible efficiency.

OceanSpray
01-27-2013, 01:32 AM
Isiah Thomas once averaged 14 assists, while Jason Kidd has never been over 11. I'm sure you would agree that Kidd is a worlds better passer than Zeke.

Jason Kidd better passer than Thomas? Lmao, no!

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 01:36 AM
If Jrue tried to average 24ppg, it would be on some pretty horrible efficiency.

Well he scored 35 tonight shooting 64%...

Chronz
01-27-2013, 01:40 AM
If Jrue tried to average 24ppg, it would be on some pretty horrible efficiency.

Definitely, as it stands hes not that efficient

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:41 AM
Jason Kidd better passer than Thomas? Lmao, no!

Yes, by a mile actually.


Well he scored 35 tonight shooting 64%...

He has a TS% of .522 on the season.

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:44 AM
Definitely, as it stands hes not that efficient

Yea, I can see the Chauncey comparison as they are both big guards, that have similar on court demeanor and are good defensive guards. But he'll probably never be as efficient as Billups was.

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 01:44 AM
Yes, by a mile actually.



He has a TS% of .522 on the season.

I know I wasn't totally serious and I was exaggerating saying that he could average 24 efficiently but I still strongly believe Steph could eventually average 25 efficiently.

b@llhog24
01-27-2013, 01:47 AM
I know I wasn't totally serious and I was exaggerating saying that he could average 24 efficiently but I still strongly believe Steph could eventually average 25 efficiently.

Easily.

Stuckey#3
01-27-2013, 01:52 AM
Love wasn't voted in, and was an injury replacement the year he was putting up historic numbers never seen before (20/15/40%) after many in the media made a huge fuss over him being snubbed, and his team was in the playoff seeding last year at this time. Kyrie goes against the norm, he missed a bunch of games, and plays on an awful team. Its obvious his hype and media coverage helped his case here. The OP has a point, just didn't make it very clear. Usually, to make the all star team if you are on a doormat team, you need ridiculous numbers, and while Irving's numbers are good, he missed games, and they aren't blowing anyone away.

This.

Stuckey#3
01-27-2013, 01:59 AM
Gilbert: Hey Brother... Still kind of bumbled about The Decision. This is not working for me.

Stern: How about I rig it so you get the first pick in the draft... If you don't make the playoffs we'll make him an all star.

Money_23
01-27-2013, 02:03 AM
because this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgJYUN0MuE

Arch Stanton
01-27-2013, 02:07 AM
Gilbert: Hey Brother... Still kind of bumbled about The Decision. This is not working for me.

Stern: How about I rig it so you get the first pick in the draft... If you don't make the playoffs we'll make him an all star.

Wow... Bitter Detroit fan. Also I didn't realize that the playoffs were before the all-star game?

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 02:08 AM
Gilbert: Hey Brother... Still kind of bumbled about The Decision. This is not working for me.

Stern: How about I rig it so you get the first pick in the draft... If you don't make the playoffs we'll make him an all star.

The post season all-star game...?

Arch Stanton
01-27-2013, 02:09 AM
^^ also I will be psyched if Gilbert has that kind of pull... Maybe he can somehow rig it so the Cavs win a title this year. Love your panic based imagination.

Kashmir13579
01-27-2013, 02:12 AM
Jennings???????

Chronz
01-27-2013, 03:05 AM
sure, but you know that is not how the voting goes dude. Record absolutely means something, even if it shouldn't.

That post wasn't directed to that line of thinking. Im talking about those who want to use it in an argument where it has logical merit.

Chronz
01-27-2013, 03:05 AM
Love wasn't voted in, and was an injury replacement the year he was putting up historic numbers never seen before (20/15/40%) after many in the media made a huge fuss over him being snubbed, and his team was in the playoff seeding last year at this time. Kyrie goes against the norm, he missed a bunch of games, and plays on an awful team. Its obvious his hype and media coverage helped his case here. The OP has a point, just didn't make it very clear. Usually, to make the all star team if you are on a doormat team, you need ridiculous numbers, and while Irving's numbers are good, he missed games, and they aren't blowing anyone away.

Is it against the norm in comparable situations? Like who did Love fail to beat out with the coaches?

Stuckey#3
01-27-2013, 04:00 AM
Lol at Cavs fans thinking you have a chance at the playoffs!

Stuckey#3
01-27-2013, 04:01 AM
:laugh2::laugh::laugh::laugh2:

ThaDubs
01-27-2013, 05:27 AM
Lol at Cavs fans thinking you have a chance at the playoffs!

If they get Kyrie throughout his prime and surround him with mediocre talent, they could make it far in the playoffs.

Swashcuff
01-27-2013, 09:06 AM
Mario Chalmbers, Jason Kidd and George Hill should be on the all star team.

IDIOTIC thread.

cleptopot
01-27-2013, 10:57 AM
Mario Chalmbers, Jason Kidd and George Hill should be on the all star team.

IDIOTIC thread.
2far

Arch Stanton
01-27-2013, 04:04 PM
Lol at Cavs fans thinking you have a chance at the playoffs!

Not sure where we mentioned that?

JasonJohnHorn
01-27-2013, 05:32 PM
Kyrie is scoring more points per game than any guard in the east right now, and we all know that scorers are celebrated in this league. And Kyrie is scoring more points per game than either Jenning or Ellis, and doing it while shooting a much higher percentage than either of them (from the field and from behind the arc and from the free-throw line), and though he's only averaging 1 or 2 shots more per game than Jennings or Ellis, he is posting about 6 points more per game. That is impressive.

Of course, it isn't all about scoring. Jennings and Ellis get more assists and do that with less turnovers. All three are about even with rebounds, and they aren't far off from each other when it comes to steals, though Jennings is ahead there.

It could be argued that Jennings and Ellis are deserving of spots, but I think Irving is playing better, though I think he needs to work on setting up teammates (not that he has many to set up).