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JasonJohnHorn
01-22-2013, 08:12 PM
Kenny Smith and Chris Webber both had comments to share about the Kings moving. Kenny Smith noted that when he played for the team, even though they were losing, the arena still sold out. I was shocked to hear this, and when I looked back at the numbers, he was right. When the Kings first got to Sacramento in 86, they struggled a little big, but by 89, despite being 27-55, they finished 10th in the league in attendance. In 1990, they were 7th (with only one more win). In 91 they won fewer games but finished 5th in the league in attendance. They remained in the top ten for attendance until 96 (oddly enough the first year they made it to the post season in Sac-town since their debut season in the city). In 98 though, they dropped from 9th to 27th in attendance. Chris Webber helped them turn things around though and soon they were pulling people in. Though they weren't finishing in the top ten any more, they were still pulling in 700 000 plus fans (which was good enough to get in the top ten in the early 90's, but by the 00's came around, there were a lot bigger stadiums in the league that held more people and so 700 000 fans was no longer enough to rank in the top ten, though the numbers were as good as they were back in the early 90's). Since the Webber trade though they have failed to crack 600 000 (though they have finished above 500 000 all but one season).

So the question is: Is Sacramento an NBA city? Should the team remain there? Seattle has had a hit-and-miss time with fans. Even when they were winning, they struggle to bring fans in (87 saw them reach the conference finals, but fail to crack 360 000, while 86 saw them reach the NBA finals and fail to crack 700 000, something Sac-town did regularly, even when they were losing).

At the end of the day, I would love to see both Sac-town and Seattle have a team, but which market is better for the NBA? I know people complain that California has four teams, and that Washington state has none, but is Seattle a better basketball city than Sacramento?

Expansion seems out of the question at this point considering the fact that the recent CBA saw the idea of contraction thrown around, and the league would need to add two teams in order to balance out the conferences.

Should the league expand? Should another city lose it's team (LA has two teams after all, and NY now has two as well, while other deserving cities have none).

What do you think should be done to accommodate fans?

abe_froman
01-22-2013, 08:21 PM
should be? move another team(clippers,cha)...but that'll never happen.i'd like both cities to have a team...but that wont happen and the team's been sold to the guys in seattle so its moot,they're moving

bholly
01-22-2013, 08:22 PM
What's changed that's made their attendance so bad the last 5 years? Their attendance figures have been awful since 2007-08. That sort of coincides with the team getting bad and starting to miss the playoffs, but we keep hearing that they're a great fanbase that has good support through bad times - so I'm left wondering whether there's more to it - did prices go up sharply or something?

NateyB24
01-22-2013, 08:26 PM
I would prefer expansion for Seattle but that always gets shot down by the NBA don't know why they are talking about going International when you have a place like Seattle without a team.

Gators123
01-22-2013, 08:28 PM
No city deserves to lose their team.

Chronz
01-22-2013, 08:43 PM
Taking a team from either la/ny would be bad for the league, even taking one of the texas teams would be dumb . Better off taking charlotte, indiana or something

Byronicle
01-22-2013, 08:44 PM
No city deserves to lose their team.

what about Charlotte Bobcats?

they love their NCAA over there, especially Duke and UNC. there are billboard signs about Duke and UNC

been going there for 20 years and they never talked about their teams, whether it was the Hornets or the Bobcats

Sactown
01-22-2013, 08:56 PM
Cities shouldn't lose teams, owners should. The Maloofs are a good example of poor ownership.

ATX
01-22-2013, 08:57 PM
It's a business, simple as that...Though it sucks. It sucks to lose a team, but at least they won't be contracted. I'm happy for Seattle, but this sucks for those in Sacramento for sure. At least they had a team. My hometown of Austin will probably never get an NBA team, despite it's size as the 13th most populous city, and 33rd largest metro in the country. This and Austin is sandwiched between NBA cities Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio.

Baller1
01-22-2013, 08:57 PM
Absolutely not, they shouldn't lose their team. But I hope they do for Seattle's sake.

Melo15
01-22-2013, 08:58 PM
No city deserves to lose their team.

This. It's an awful thing to go through as a fan. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

JLynn943
01-22-2013, 09:00 PM
What's changed that's made their attendance so bad the last 5 years? Their attendance figures have been awful since 2007-08. That sort of coincides with the team getting bad and starting to miss the playoffs, but we keep hearing that they're a great fanbase that has good support through bad times - so I'm left wondering whether there's more to it - did prices go up sharply or something?

The Maloofs made it pretty clear that they didn't care about winning. They wanted to put a cheap product on the floor and continue to get the fan support so they could make as much money as possible considering every other business they were in was failing or sold (casino, beer distribution). Fans got fed up with owners who were just trying to use them and not worried with competing. Firing Adelman and then the revolving door of bad coaches we've had since, and bad signings/trades on top of all that turned fans away.

Plus California got hit hard by the 2008 financial crisis and a lot of people couldn't afford to be going to games (especially considering the product).

JLynn943
01-22-2013, 09:02 PM
Even though I voted for the first option, I prefer expansion. The reasons against it really aren't all that strong. These are two cities that can definitely support an NBA team. Why the NBA is so against it is beyond me.

Baller1
01-22-2013, 09:04 PM
Even though I voted for the first option, I prefer expansion. The reasons against it really aren't all that strong. These are two cities that can definitely support an NBA team. Why the NBA is so against it is beyond me.

Agree completely. I wish we could both have teams playing next season.

TheNumber37
01-22-2013, 09:19 PM
Send the Bobcats to Seattle, let the Hornets come back east.

Tmath
01-22-2013, 09:28 PM
As I've said a few times.

Send the Clippers to Sacramento. No reason to have 2 teams playing in the same building.

Kashmir13579
01-22-2013, 09:42 PM
Taking a team from either la/ny would be bad for the league, even taking one of the texas teams would be dumb . Better off taking charlotte, indiana or something

The hate for Reggie is strong with this one.

sep11ie
01-22-2013, 09:45 PM
I am against expansion. The league is watered down with too many crap players as it is while the best players all want to play on a handful of teams. I hate seeing the Kings gone at least it is to Seattle with the Sonics. They never should have been moved anyways.

Guppyfighter
01-22-2013, 09:50 PM
I prefer the Supersonics over the Kings. I am okay with this.

benzni
01-22-2013, 10:18 PM
absolutely not! No one deserves this. The only team I would see moving was Charlotte, New Orleans or the Clippers (2 LA teams) and I don't think the Kings are the team that should move. Feel bad for them.

NBA_Starter
01-22-2013, 10:33 PM
Send the Bobcats to Seattle, let the Hornets come back east.

I can get on board with that.

Kashmir13579
01-22-2013, 10:37 PM
Yes.

ThaDubs
01-22-2013, 10:42 PM
As I've said a few times.

Send the Clippers to Sacramento. No reason to have 2 teams playing in the same building.

Clippers? Why not Lakers?

gatkins11
01-22-2013, 10:44 PM
what about Charlotte Bobcats?

they love their NCAA over there, especially Duke and UNC. there are billboard signs about Duke and UNC

been going there for 20 years and they never talked about their teams, whether it was the Hornets or the Bobcats

No, they don't either. Nice try though.

douglas
01-22-2013, 10:45 PM
The only Sac-Town that I know of is the one in my pants.

ThaDubs
01-22-2013, 10:50 PM
The only Sac-Town that I know of is the one in my pants.

That was funny/clever/cute.

KingsPhillies
01-23-2013, 12:06 AM
What's changed that's made their attendance so bad the last 5 years? Their attendance figures have been awful since 2007-08. That sort of coincides with the team getting bad and starting to miss the playoffs, but we keep hearing that they're a great fanbase that has good support through bad times - so I'm left wondering whether there's more to it - did prices go up sharply or something?

It has A LOT to do with prices. When there was a quality product on the floor, we didn't mind paying premium prices. But when you have a squad full of scrubs, bad coaching, horrible ownership and losses piling up, it's difficult to bring oneself to pay the same prices, or higher, for a lesser product. That's exactly what happened. Tickets, parking, concessions, merch...all the prices went up so the Maloofs could try and recompense their losses from other failed business ventures. It's not like they were using that money to keep the arena in shape, either. And don't even get me started on the Maloofs try to whore their own brand of "premium" vodka to the fans. And remember, all this happened during a huge economic downturn, in which Sacramento was hit exceptionally hard.

Basically, the empty seats in Sleep Train are definitely not for lack of fan support or interest. We love this team more than anyone on here realizes. If you're not a Kings fan, you simply do not understand. Give us something to support, and we'll be the most staunch supporters of a team you've ever seen. We've done it before, and we'd be happy to do it again. But it only stands to reason that less people are going to be willing to pay premium prices for a polished turd. And after the way the Maloofs have treated the city of Sacramento and its people, they're lucky they have a single seat filled at all. It's not a reflection of Sacramento not supporting the Kings, it's about our disdain for the Maloofs and their actions.

nickdymez
01-23-2013, 12:11 AM
yea, **** them

Sactown
01-23-2013, 12:14 AM
yea, **** them

When you realize Nickdymez was a troll #Maloofed.

nickdymez
01-23-2013, 12:40 AM
When you realize Nickdymez was a troll #Maloofed.

:facepalm: Horrible attempt at a joke

The_Jamal
01-23-2013, 12:50 AM
http://blogs.sacbee.com/city-beat/2013/01/billioniare-burkle-fitness-tycoon-mastrov-discussing-kings-purchase.html

It ain't over

OceanSpray
01-23-2013, 02:47 AM
No city should ever lose a team. It's a driving force of that city. However, it's a business. Even though those fans stuck it out with Sacramento, they were always 100% behind them. Some of the greatest fans in my opinion, Sacramento Kings fans. Those same Kings players are going to have to betray the team that they played for and lose their fans.

True Sports Fan
01-23-2013, 03:52 PM
No city should ever lose a team. It's a driving force of that city. However, it's a business. Even though those fans stuck it out with Sacramento, they were always 100% behind them. Some of the greatest fans in my opinion, Sacramento Kings fans. Those same Kings players are going to have to betray the team that they played for and lose their fans.

They aren't betraying us, its the ****ing maloofs and stern, but obviously they hate Sacramento so they can go die in a hole.

SACNYY
01-23-2013, 04:16 PM
Move to Anaheim.

JiffyMix88
01-23-2013, 04:23 PM
Why Indiana or Charlotte?

mjt20mik
01-23-2013, 04:47 PM
Sac shouldn't lose their team.

SACNYY
01-23-2013, 04:49 PM
Nice Sig^ Ha

Snakeyestx
01-23-2013, 04:57 PM
Just .. let them go.

Give it up Sac... you're better off pooling resources for a year without a team and making a proposal to the league to expand the conferences another 4-10 teams.

SACNYY
01-23-2013, 05:07 PM
They're not going to stay in Sacramento. They can't even get a new arena and that one they have is garbage.

lol, please
01-23-2013, 09:21 PM
Absolutely not. That way sfgiants5518 can become a warriors fan. Besides, Seahawks fans don't deserve it.

NateyB24
01-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Just curious but how many votes do you need from the owners to approve a deal? I know its not unanimous because Cuban and Paul Allen voted against the Sonics move.