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seldon71
01-22-2013, 08:01 AM
Right now, Amare is such a misfit in Knicks that they would be better off without him per se. Problem lies in that gargantuan contract which very few teams would either want or be able to receive....

I found one trade which could make sense for both teams though :

Knicks trade Stoudemire & Iman Shumpert (21,6M contracted for 3 years)
Bobcats trade Ben Gordon (12,4M for 2 years) & Tyrus Thomas (8M for 3 years)

How this benefits teams :

NYK :

- gets rid of Stoudemire who is an obvious hindrance in this team and style of play.
- gets big salary cut for 2014-2015 season (as Gordon expires)
- gets a possible comeback kid at PF in Tyrus Thomas who used to be rather good and is definitely a better defender than Amare. As bad as Tyrus has been for two seasons now, there is still a chance that slide reverses in different environment.
-gets another quality shooter in Ben Gordon. Knicks-style requires 2 hot-hand shooters in almost all the time. With that style, you can never have too long rotation of those. Gordon's minutes would probably fluctuate a LOT, but he can still win you couple of games per season.

As a conclusion : Getting rid of Stoudemire while getting two potentially productive bench players is a GREAT deal for Knicks.


CHA :

- Stoudemire would be a star in name at least for a team lacking any kind of pizzazz.
- in a team desperate for scoring help, he would also be much more in place and help Bobcats to use purely defensive big (Biyombo/Haywood) next to him.
- Shumpert would be a nice young talent Bobcats really need. Besides a big play-making guard would really work next of diminutive scoring-driven Kemba
- Financially, Bobcats wouldn't (miraculously) be hurt too badly. They would lose dealing&wheeling room for one season, but that is not a season they necessarily need to be making big moves. Amare's current albatross of a deal would expire in time to extend Kemba/Biyombo/Jeffrey Taylor.

As a conclusion : Bobcats receive the only unquestionable asset of the trade in Shumpert, while getting a ticket/teamware selling boost in Stoudemire. They give up one currently useless player who apparently won't be leaving his slump in Charlotte (Tyrus Thomas) and another who while still occasionally brilliant offensive player, is not really having a place in team's future (Ben Gordon). As a starting line-up Walker-Shumpert-MKG-Stoudemire-Biyombo/Haywood makes more sense than what they use now.

TrueFan420
01-22-2013, 04:57 PM
The bobcats should jump on that deal if they get the chance.

seldon71
01-22-2013, 05:13 PM
Can you comment a bit more whether you think :

Bobcats should jump at it primarily due :

a) inclusion of Stoudemire
b) inclusion of Shumpert
c) getting rid of Gordon
d) getting rid of Thomas

or combination of which above?


Also, how do you see it from Knicks' perspective?

It's pretty public knowledge that they would like to get rid of Stoudemire (or more exactly, his huge contract).

Due his diminishing physical ability, horrible defence and that huge contract, Stoudemire has been declared "non-tradeable" by many experts. Well, here is a proposal which you see as "jump-on" by the OTHER team. Do you think it is TOO bad for Knicks or does the mostly fiscal benefits counter-balance the fact that pure player ability seems to favor Bobcats (although Thomas was very highly-thought just two years ago & Gordon indeed can still occasionally win a game for you)...

TrueFan420
01-23-2013, 02:31 AM
With stoudemire they get a go to player that can help their team in a way that has been sorely needed. His health and contract are issues but its the bobcats so their never gonna get a perfect situation. They also manage to switch Thomas out too. It's a risky move and I don't know enough bout the cats or amares health but I'd do it.

seldon71
01-23-2013, 04:16 AM
Thanks for an answer, TrueFan.

mdm692
01-25-2013, 06:03 PM
Bobcats should do that right now as a matter of fact. That would leave us one less team to worry about getting the #1 overall pick :p.

Jint.
01-25-2013, 11:54 PM
ha!.. fail

Cracka2HI!
01-26-2013, 12:09 AM
Tyrus Thomas has almost as bad of a contract as Stoudamire so this one's a fail.

HouRealCoach
01-26-2013, 07:43 PM
If Knicks fan saw this half of them would get banned for talking down on you for coming up with it lol

This is a terrible trade bro I'm sorry

king4day
02-05-2013, 02:02 PM
Bobcats would do this for sure.

It'd be a setback for NY. Thomas isn't going to find his old self again. He's worthless in this league (see Hakim Warrick).
Gordon would be pointless since they already have JR Smith as their bench scorer. I couldn't see those two making things work.