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albertajaysfan
01-21-2013, 06:11 PM
So I was just watching the video on NBA.com about Hakeem and it made me think.

Imagine what he could do for Blake Griffin. Let's face it Blake came into the league as an athletic wonder. But you have to give him credit because he seems to be slowly expanding his game.

15' jumper
slightly improving post moves
improved defensive intensity

Blake is the perfect specimen for Hakeem to mold. He has the athleticism to do some of the things Hakeem was able to do.

Just for sheer enjoyment of watching basketball I hope this happens.

Hakeem, MJ and Lebron are my top three favourite players to watch. If Blake could learn even half the footwork that Hakeem had he would be up there. Just for clarity I am not saying these players are my favourite players but they were/are so skilled they were/are incredible to watch.

I think Hakeem could make Blake easily the best PF in the game. Thoughts?

king4day
01-21-2013, 06:24 PM
He'd certainly help. Not sure what moves he could learn that would elevate him to the best in the league. He just needs to keep on developing his D and shooting. After that, I don't think there's much else he can learn that would take him to the next level (assuming he's not already there)

Guppyfighter
01-21-2013, 06:26 PM
He'd certainly help. Not sure what moves he could learn that would elevate him to the best in the league. He just needs to keep on developing his D and shooting. After that, I don't think there's much else he can learn that would take him to the next level (assuming he's not already there)

I can't remember, but I know on one of the blocks he is in the 86th percentile, but the opposite side he is only 46th percentile. Improve the bad side.

Cracka2HI!
01-21-2013, 06:40 PM
I'd love to see both Blake and DJ work with him!

b_russ
01-21-2013, 06:56 PM
I don't get this. Hakeem's been working with guys for years now and we still have yet to see some's game drastically improve. Probably the guy that got the most out of it was Bryant.

Dade County
01-21-2013, 07:00 PM
I think Bosh's game, would greatly benefit if he would ever train with the Dream.

Blake game is more like Stat, drives by you and jumps very high to finish, but it would help him out if he can pick up a thing or two for Hakeem.

HouRealCoach
01-21-2013, 07:10 PM
Ibaka would benefit the most from Hakeem.. He can already hold defense, rebound, & shoot

If he added that post game he'd be A1

John Walls Era
01-21-2013, 07:16 PM
Some people can get it, most people can't. Hakeem can't change the way players play. Look at Dwight. The only person who utalized what Hakeem taught most significantly was Kobe and maybe Yao.

TheSource
01-21-2013, 07:24 PM
Can probably polish his developing post-game.

rockbottom2010
01-21-2013, 11:37 PM
i know shaq would love to work with blake

JasonJohnHorn
01-22-2013, 12:11 AM
Every post player could do with a few lessons from Hakeem...

That said, I thought you thread would be about what Hakeem could do to help Steve Blake... :-(

Clippersfan86
01-22-2013, 12:16 AM
I'd like Blake to go to Malone or Shaq first. Learn to be more dominant with his amazing physical tools rather than trying to be more finesse. He's got such a unique and underrated skillset and I think it's a faulty assumption that Hakeem is the guy who will improve everybody's post game. Hakeem himself may have been the best in the post but it doesn't mean you will hit your best with him over somebody else teaching you.

I wish Shaq and Malone would teach Blake to throw more elbows, be more nasty on the boards and bully people in the block more. His shot, free throws and post game are already coming along. Today the man had 26 points, 13 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks. Not bad for a dunker.

Max.This
01-22-2013, 12:16 AM
nothing... look at Amare Stoudemire, case closed

albertajaysfan
01-22-2013, 03:12 AM
I like the Malone suggestion as well mostly because of Blake playing with Paul though. Not sure about Shaq however, different kind of game. Shaw overpowered people in his prime like few others have been able to do.

And I in no way think Blake is just a dunker. He was but he has expanded his game quite well over the last few years. Which is why I think he would benefit from working with Hakeem because he has shown drive.

And don't compare Amare with Blake. Amare has messed up knees so their athleticism is nowhere near comparable anymore. Plus Amare has always been the product of working well in the pick and roll with a solid or elite point guard. Nash and the one year with Felton before Melo came to New York.

As for the mention of Dwight. Well he has shown he is a prima donna who doesn't work hard enough or take the game seriously enough. Thus him not getting much from working with Hakeem.

My point is that Blake is already a fantastic player. Learning a few things from Hakeem on both the offensive and defensive ends could make him quite the force. Don't forget Hakeem was an elite defender as well.

In regards to the comment about some people getting it and some not. I agree completely. That is why Kobe has benefitted the most from working with Hakeem because he has work ethic like few others.

Clippersfan86
01-22-2013, 05:09 AM
Blake has one of the undisputed best work ethics in the league. CP3 called him THE hardest working player in the NBA and said he lives in the gym. His current shooting coach calledBlake his best student ever. Point is Blake would learn I'm sure. He actually had Hakeem scheduled around the Olympics when McGee and Amare did but tore his Meniscus.

albertajaysfan
01-22-2013, 05:49 AM
Blake has one of the undisputed best work ethics in the league. CP3 called him THE hardest working player in the NBA and said he lives in the gym. His current shooting coach calledBlake his best student ever. Point is Blake would learn I'm sure. He actually had Hakeem scheduled around the Olympics when McGee and Amare did but tore his Meniscus.

Didn't know that about him already scheduled. I don't follow the Clips close enough to know all those details you just gave. But I would say that just makes it more exciting to see what could come of such an endeavour.

I would have no complaints to see the Clips be top dog in LA for awhile. Especially since they are a fun team to watch with all the firepower they have.

As I am sure you can understand being a Clippers fan it is always nice to see a historically perennial cellar dweller actually have some success. Being a Raptors fan I understand this well too unfortunately.

Sly Guy
01-22-2013, 01:30 PM
I don't get this. Hakeem's been working with guys for years now and we still have yet to see some's game drastically improve. Probably the guy that got the most out of it was Bryant.

this. hakeem is an all time great as a player, not as a coach. A similar idea was proposed in the raps forum for jonas, but after the initial excitement subsided and I looked at his other 'coaching' efforts, I became less and less impressed.

Matrix3132
01-22-2013, 01:51 PM
Blake has one of the undisputed best work ethics in the league. CP3 called him THE hardest working player in the NBA and said he lives in the gym. His current shooting coach calledBlake his best student ever. Point is Blake would learn I'm sure. He actually had Hakeem scheduled around the Olympics when McGee and Amare did but tore his Meniscus.

I sure hope he doesn't because it would be embarrassing to work so hard and still be so limited offensively.

Stinkyoutsider
01-22-2013, 01:59 PM
I think Blake would be great to work with Hakeem.

I haven't seen too many players with Blake's combination of agility and footwork (or potenial). He would be the kind of player who would be comfortable with Hakeem's play style (spins, fakes, ...)

But I think Blake can take that and combine it with the power game he already has. Finishing with power, knocking guys off the block, strong drop steps along with the spins and fakes he learns from Hakeem.

With the kind of athlete Griffin is, I think he can be the best forward in the league if he continues to develop his skill set. His mid range jumper is getting better and he should double his efforts on the foul line because with his finishing ability, he should be getting 10 attempts a game.

If he can do this and get a little more active on defense (including shot blocking), he's going to be one of the best we've seen in a while...

Chronz
01-22-2013, 03:46 PM
I sure hope he doesn't because it would be embarrassing to work so hard and still be so limited offensively.

Prove hes limited

Chronz
01-22-2013, 03:49 PM
I think Blake would be great to work with Hakeem.

I haven't seen too many players with Blake's combination of agility and footwork (or potenial). He would be the kind of player who would be comfortable with Hakeem's play style (spins, fakes, ...)

But I think Blake can take that and combine it with the power game he already has. Finishing with power, knocking guys off the block, strong drop steps along with the spins and fakes he learns from Hakeem.

With the kind of athlete Griffin is, I think he can be the best forward in the league if he continues to develop his skill set. His mid range jumper is getting better and he should double his efforts on the foul line because with his finishing ability, he should be getting 10 attempts a game.

If he can do this and get a little more active on defense (including shot blocking), he's going to be one of the best we've seen in a while...
Hakeem was around Blake's height but his length changes the way these moves work. I dont think Blake needs much advice with his footwork, its his touch thats improving. Hist post efficiency has increased every year in the league as a result. He has pretty decent footwork, if he can get defenders to respect his initial move. Supposably hes been working on several hooks and is now getting comfortable enough to try them in game.

Chronz
01-22-2013, 03:53 PM
I'd like Blake to go to Malone or Shaq first. Learn to be more dominant with his amazing physical tools rather than trying to be more finesse. He's got such a unique and underrated skillset and I think it's a faulty assumption that Hakeem is the guy who will improve everybody's post game. Hakeem himself may have been the best in the post but it doesn't mean you will hit your best with him over somebody else teaching you.

I wish Shaq and Malone would teach Blake to throw more elbows, be more nasty on the boards and bully people in the block more. His shot, free throws and post game are already coming along. Today the man had 26 points, 13 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks. Not bad for a dunker.

Charles Barkley is the guy I would want Blake to emulate


Some people can get it, most people can't. Hakeem can't change the way players play. Look at Dwight. The only person who utalized what Hakeem taught most significantly was Kobe and maybe Yao.
What about Dwight?

kubernetes
01-22-2013, 03:55 PM
this. hakeem is an all time great as a player, not as a coach. A similar idea was proposed in the raps forum for jonas, but after the initial excitement subsided and I looked at his other 'coaching' efforts, I became less and less impressed.

I just wonder if maybe a lot of what Hakeem did is unteachable. Sure, he can teach the actual moves, but maybe the instincts to use them can't be taught.

BRADfromOZ
01-22-2013, 09:03 PM
Blake just needs to go and visit The Mailman and be a sponge. That is all.

Clippersfan86
01-22-2013, 09:40 PM
Charles Barkley is the guy I would want Blake to emulate


What about Dwight?

I wanted to say Barkley first but can't expect it when Barkley spends so much time picking Blake apart and criticizing his game. Plus Barkley seems like he would be a ****** teacher. Malone isn't much nicer so I suppose work with Shaq a bit.

My reasoning though is I feel like Blake needs to develop his strength (power game). Everybody keeps trying to make him more finesse and shoot more jumpers but his dominance in the paint has been more inconsistent as a result. Like you said the numbers are better but his motor on the boards and attacking the rim seem much weaker. Maybe because he's actually expending energy on defense now.

Clippersfan86
01-22-2013, 09:42 PM
I sure hope he doesn't because it would be embarrassing to work so hard and still be so limited offensively.

Since Blake was drafted he's shown up to the Clippers facility pretty much every day at 7 or 8 AM, usually hours before teammates. He's also there the most often and regularly gets teammates to show up and train. I don't think it's embarrassing at all to not be a developed player after only 2.5 years when you were so raw coming into the league.

He's made huge strides in other ways so obviously he's putting in major work.

OceanSpray
01-23-2013, 02:51 AM
For one, Blake is an athletic and talented player. He has developed himself as one of the more exciting and explosive players out of sheer athleticism. However, athleticism isn't the only factor in how great a player is. Blake is sort of LeBron minus the skill. Of course, LeBron is still better than Blake. Blake can seriously learn from Hakeem and even Chris Paul. Learn to take the mid range jumpshot. Practice and perfect it. Work on the free throw line. Learn some post moves so you don't have to depend on Chris Paul to pass you it. If you watch Blake's games, he never posts when he has the opportunity. If he does, he can seriously be the best PF. If not, well, you're top 5 at the most.

Clippersfan86
01-23-2013, 03:00 AM
Anybody watch Blake the last two games? He looks flat out DOMINANT in the post with a barrage of post moves.