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Longhornfan1234
01-20-2013, 12:32 AM
They're on a 7-game losing streak. I haven't watch many of their games, just wondering what's going wrong.

Chronz
01-20-2013, 12:38 AM
They're a .500 team that sucks on the road, they have just gone on a road trip with their sole home game during this stretch coming against the powerhouse in LA.

These kind of things happen to .500 caliber squads. Would you have made this thread if they went 1-6?

Stunner
01-20-2013, 12:41 AM
They need a back to the basket pf

Longhornfan1234
01-20-2013, 12:41 AM
They're a .500 team that sucks on the road, they have just gone on a road trip with their sole home game during this stretch coming against the powerhouse in LA.

These kind of things happen to .500 caliber squads. Would you have made this thread if they went 1-6?


Idk. They looked good before this terrible streak.

2-ONE-5
01-20-2013, 12:41 AM
dont play D. that style of play has to be exhausting

Chronz
01-20-2013, 12:45 AM
Idk. They looked good before this terrible streak.

Ups and downs of a young squad maybe? :shrug:

UPRock
01-20-2013, 12:46 AM
They need someone like Paul Millsap ASAP!

greg_ory_2005
01-20-2013, 12:52 AM
They were never that good to begin with.

Guppyfighter
01-20-2013, 01:12 AM
They will be fine.


Peaks and Valley's. They have had some close losses.

Stunner
01-20-2013, 01:17 AM
They need Royce White

THE MTL
01-20-2013, 01:28 AM
They realized that they were the Rockets lol. But at one point they were 21-14 which way too high of a level for a team of that caliber....it was unsustainable.

lakers4sho
01-20-2013, 01:31 AM
reversion to mediocrity

Federal Reserve
01-20-2013, 01:33 AM
No team will win many games when Jeremy Lin is the second best player on the team.

Missing56&33
01-20-2013, 01:35 AM
I'm surprised.....they have a good team. Lin and Harden should be the first option...i think Lin defer to Harden tomuch. I really like the Rockets they'll be Okay.

heyman321
01-20-2013, 01:35 AM
They've had an easy schedule and are coming back downt o earth. What do you expect from a young team that was thrown together a day before the season started? They're 7-16 against the West, while every other west playoff team is at least .500. That shows their true colors, they're just beating up on crappy East teams.

Andrew32
01-20-2013, 01:38 AM
Harden in his last 3 games = 20ppg on 29% shooting.
Harden in tonights game = 5-19 shooting.

Are teams starting to figure out Harden or is he just in a slump?

torocan
01-20-2013, 01:52 AM
They've had their 5th back to back and 2nd 4 in 5 on the road in January, and McHale is basically running them into the ground.

This month Harden, Lin and Parsons are averaging over 35 minutes with Harden averaging 39 minutes.

Run the fastest pace in the NBA, play them 35-40 minutes on back to backs while traveling on the road with an 8 man rotation and you end up seeing missed lay ups, FT's and 3 point shots. Just take a look at the scheduling and the declining shooting percentages from everywhere on the floor from the arc to the FT line.

And that's not even bringing in his bizarre in game substitutions.

Tonight he ran a 4 guard, 1 SF line up in the 4th quarter.... no joke. No PF OR Center.

And Last night he decided to have Carlos Delfino (SG) play the 4 spot. Seriously... he had Delfino guarding Paul George.

BenFrank
01-20-2013, 02:04 AM
Coming from a Rockets Fan

Let me say Chandler Parsons is Overrated!!! Most Rockets fan act like he's gonna be a all-star next year or the year after, when to be honestly he was a much better player last year, he don't get put back dunks anymore, his defense has regressed, and has a vary inconsistent shot.. I thought he would have hit the weight room and gotten stronger this year, but he looks like a softy out there IMO..

He's not the only problem though, Kevin Mchale is not the right coach for this team.. hes really not a good coach at all, I was kinda upset when I first heard of his hiring... we have no PF's, there soft.. I would trade Asik for the right player (Howard,Cousins) Lin would be a allstar if he could hit his 3 pointers, which he doesn't and Harden might be in a slump from putting the team on his back every night

Were the youngerst team in the league so I can't expect greatness, but I mention putting Parsons in a trade, for a near allstar, if not allstar player and get flamed for it.. just cuz of his contract, smh.. those number won't look that way forever, and i know there's a good chance we overpay him

houstonfan
01-20-2013, 02:05 AM
Harden in his last 3 games = 20ppg on 29% shooting.
Harden in tonights game = 5-19 shooting.

Are teams starting to figure out Harden or is he just in a slump?

Harden is just in a slump. Had one earlier this year too but he is not the problem although he says he is.

The problem with the Rockets right now is that either they are just tired or other teams have figured out how to stop them. We are not seeing the same team that was putting up 120 a game most nights. McHales rotations are pretty bad but they were working when we were dominating teams like the Bulls, Grizzlies and Knicks. When the Rockets are not getting transition baskets basically all game, they are very mediocre. Teams seem to have figured out how to slow the tempo of the game down. Their half court offense is terrible and their transition defense hasnt got any better.

Also they lead the league in turnovers which you knew would come back to bite them at some point and when Omer Asik is not on the floor they are an AWFUL rebounding team.

As much as I want this team to sneak into the playoffs with a 7 or 8 seed, I just dont see it happening unless Morey makes another move near the deadline. Im thinking this could be a 4th year in a row where the Rockets finish with the best record that doesnt make the playoffs. YAY.

mzgrizz
01-20-2013, 02:25 AM
I'm afraid they are in a deep reality check. Kind of like when all the LA Lakers had was Kobe going off for 40 points a night and they were losing. I know Harden is slipping with his production but as soon as you get him a BIG brother to help on the inside, Houston will have a problem

ThaDubs
01-20-2013, 02:28 AM
I wish Demarcus went to the Rockets.

mzgrizz
01-20-2013, 02:37 AM
Demarcus is good but would you upset that chemistry ? Harden needs a big bro but not one that will bite his head off

KniCks4LiFe
01-20-2013, 02:38 AM
Harden is forcing it, plain and simple. I've watched all their gms. and no one is getting the ball after Harden touches it. He went from an efficient player, to efficient stats but selfish-like play. And it's not him trying to be selfish I just think no one has the you know what on that team to point it out. Other than Mchale. What I'm seeing is Lin is not a leader, Harden is too Superman-ish, it's like he's trying to be Kobe. Parsons is quiet, Asik is ok. There are no balls on that team. Someone to step in and just take over. That person should have been Jeremy Lin but he doesn't want it enough, so it's Harden and when he struggles that's it.

This is why I said so many times Parsons is not a hold up in any deal. For Cousins, For Josh Smith, for even Dwight Howard, there is no hold up nor should be. If your name ain't Harden, Asik or Lin, nothing makes you untradeable.

KniCks4LiFe
01-20-2013, 02:42 AM
They need a dog. They need someone to shake it up. Josh Smith hates losing and lackluster play, that's why either he or Cousins should end up being traded for. @Chronz I know you reading somewhere here, but tell me you don't see it? complacent play, wondering what is going wrong, who's the dog on this team? They need one.

houstonfan
01-20-2013, 02:43 AM
Coming from a Rockets Fan

Let me say Chandler Parsons is Overrated!!! Most Rockets fan act like he's gonna be a all-star next year or the year after, when to be honestly he was a much better player last year, he don't get put back dunks anymore, his defense has regressed, and has a vary inconsistent shot.. I thought he would have hit the weight room and gotten stronger this year, but he looks like a softy out there IMO..

He's not the only problem though, Kevin Mchale is not the right coach for this team.. hes really not a good coach at all, I was kinda upset when I first heard of his hiring... we have no PF's, there soft.. I would trade Asik for the right player (Howard,Cousins) Lin would be a allstar if he could hit his 3 pointers, which he doesn't and Harden might be in a slump from putting the team on his back every night

Were the youngerst team in the league so I can't expect greatness, but I mention putting Parsons in a trade, for a near allstar, if not allstar player and get flamed for it.. just cuz of his contract, smh.. those number won't look that way forever, and i know there's a good chance we overpay him

Nobody in the Rockets forum thinks Parsons is going to be an all-star. But he can definitely be a 3rd or 4th option on a championship caliber team. He is averaging 15 points and 6 rebounds a game in just his second year which is huge improvement from what he did last year. And he is shooting 36% from 3s and 47% overall, which isnt bad. Also, i still think he is a great defender. When he guarded Kobe a while back (which I think was our last win before this pathetic losing streak) he shut Kobe down from start to finish and Kobe had 20 points on like 23 shots. THats impressive.

That being said, if we were going to trade for a legit second option (Millsap Cousins or Smith) I do think he would have to be included. I would be okay with this if Morey got an extension from one of those players. If we could get one of those guys and not give up Parsons though, watch out for this team to be a threat to pull an upset in the playoffs.

KniCks4LiFe
01-20-2013, 02:44 AM
Demarcus is good but would you upset that chemistry ? Harden needs a big bro but not one that will bite his head off

Hell yeah. Homie it's too bookworm there. It's like they going to Sunday school.

Hawkeye15
01-20-2013, 02:48 AM
uh, they are a borderline playoff team going through a down stretch in a sport of ups and downs?

KniCks4LiFe
01-20-2013, 02:51 AM
uh, they are a borderline playoff team going through a down stretch in a sport of ups and downs?

but they desperately need a dog. They are starting to remind me of my 2012 Knicks under D'Antoni. When we were spiraling and couldn't figure out what was going wrong. That team has no cojones.

torocan
01-20-2013, 09:28 AM
Harden is forcing it, plain and simple. I've watched all their gms. and no one is getting the ball after Harden touches it. He went from an efficient player, to efficient stats but selfish-like play. And it's not him trying to be selfish I just think no one has the you know what on that team to point it out. Other than Mchale. What I'm seeing is Lin is not a leader, Harden is too Superman-ish, it's like he's trying to be Kobe. Parsons is quiet, Asik is ok. There are no balls on that team. Someone to step in and just take over. That person should have been Jeremy Lin but he doesn't want it enough, so it's Harden and when he struggles that's it.

This is why I said so many times Parsons is not a hold up in any deal. For Cousins, For Josh Smith, for even Dwight Howard, there is no hold up nor should be. If your name ain't Harden, Asik or Lin, nothing makes you untradeable.

To be fair, I don't think Harden dominating the ball is on Lin.

I was watching their new PG (Patrick Beverly) very carefully over the last 2 nights. When Beverly was on the floor by himself he was very aggressive, driving to the rim, and moving the ball. As soon as he was on the floor he dropped the ball off to Harden at mid court and spotted up in the corner like a statue.

In other words, he looked exactly like Lin does when he's on the floor with Harden.

I've also seen Toney Douglas do the same... drop the ball off the Harden, spot up at the perimeter.

Are we going to argue that TD and Beverly are being passive as well? I think this lands squarely on the coaches.

This was posted by a person on the Houston Rockets main fan forum...


Saw this in a chinese website, it is too hilarious to not translate over.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2105705327

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HOU vs. DAL

1st Quarter:

03:13 DAL 22-15, Rox trailing by 7
Lin on bench as usual, Harden with 2 PF, got 1 TO, need to be sub out.

Beverley: coach, my turn?
mchale: go back to bench you rookie. hmm, let's see what TD can do by himself.

Harden Substitution replaced by Morris

Rox O become chaos, Delfino consecutive 3 TOs, till the end of the 1st Q, TD got the only 3 for Rox score board.

end Q1: DAL: 29-18 Rox trailing by 11

2nd Quarter

06:41 DAL 39-24, Rox trailing by 15

TD was sub out 2min ago, Harden is cold as ice, need to be sub out.

Beverley: coach, my turn?
mchale: go back to bench you rookie. hmm, let's see what Jeremy can do by himself.

Harden Substitution replaced by Delfino

Lin missed layup, but got his own rebound and assist Parsons for 3.

05:56 DAL 41-27 Rox trailing by 14

Lin Traveling.

McHale: Another TO? Jeremy, bench you go! O-o, all 3 guards are benched, uh, Beverley, your turn.

Beverley: yeah! I'm in the rotation!

Lin Substitution replaced by Beverley

With ball in Beverley's hand, all kinds of screens and p&r, Beverley go beast mode. Within 3min, Beverley got 1 board, 2 assist and 3 points. (Rox players like neat score board record :) )

Beverley: This is easy, Beversanity here I come!

02:45 DAL 45-39 Rox trailing by 6 only

McHale: Good time for Harden to ride the wave, James, you go, and earn me that 20 pts today!

Parsons Substitution replaced by Harden

ball and screens all go Harden's way......

Beverley: Jeremy, now I see your struggle....

end of Q2: DAL 52-44 Rox trailing by 8

3rd Quarter

Both Harden and Lin on court fighting.

04:56 DAL 69-64 Rox trailing by 5

mchale: Jeremy is tired, need a rest. Beverley, you go.

Beverley: yes sir! I will try my best to push the tempo

McHale: no no no, you go spot up at that corner.

Lin Substitution replaced by Beverley, and Beverley spot up for the next consecutive 6 possessions, and watched Rox's O going on.

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02:25 DAL 72-69 Rox trailing by only 3.
Thanks for Harden doing all his normal Harden stuff to fill up the gap. But he picked up his 4th personal foul.

McHale: Harden 4 pf, you go to bench and have a rest.
Beverley: Yeah, now Harden off the court, I can get the ball?;)
McHale no, you just need to bring the ball up, dump to Parsons or Delfino, and you go spot up at that corner

end of Q3: DAL 80-73, Rox trailing by 7.

4th Quarter

Beverley: i know, I know, I will spot up that corner:(

And he did!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/menyanhuanghun/jlin/08f790529822720e98a57c307bcb0a46f31fab95.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/menyanhuanghun/jlin/359b033b5bb5c9eab9659d29d539b6003bf3b362.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/menyanhuanghun/jlin/b3fb43166d224f4aaef2edd909f790529922d195.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/menyanhuanghun/jlin/54fbb2fb43166d22c21c8b5e462309f79152d295.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/menyanhuanghun/jlin/a5c27d1ed21b0ef432440694ddc451da80cb3e4f.jpg

09:55 DAL 85-77 Rox trailing by 8

Beverley Substitution replaced by Lin

Jeremy: Good job Patrick!

Beverley: Jeremy, that corner is all yours, take good care of it!

Jeremy: heck, screw that corner, I'm going to play my brand of basketball! We've lost 4 already. :mad:

We all know what happened next.

Looking eerily familiar...

Badluck33
01-20-2013, 09:56 AM
Last I checked, they were one of the leagues top offenses but also one of the leagues worst defense.

That, should put them right in the middle at around .500, which is actually where they are now...

ManRam
01-20-2013, 11:15 AM
Coming into the season, even after the Harden trade, few felt they were a playoff team.

They had a nice run there where they undoubtedly overachieved. The team doesn't play good defense and relies on Harden's scoring too much. That's a recipe for medicrity over the course of an 82 game season.

They've assembled the start of something nice, but they still have a lot of growing up to do and a lack of talent at some key positions.

Tony_Starks
01-20-2013, 12:18 PM
They're not that good, their interior game is weak, and their starting pg is overrated.

The end.

todu82
01-20-2013, 01:19 PM
They were an average basketball team anyway. I'd call this their coming back down to earth period.

b@llhog24
01-20-2013, 01:41 PM
They were an average basketball team anyway. I'd call this their coming back down to earth period.

No offense, and you're probably a decent individual and all that. But i just hate your posting style.

Vinylman
01-20-2013, 01:43 PM
They are young and have pretty much zero inside. That is not a good combination when you shoot poorly as they have recently, especially harden

Anyway, they just need to build for the future

just think how bad they would be if they hadn't gotten harden :speechless:

Guppyfighter
01-20-2013, 02:21 PM
The Rockets will be fine.

Chronz
01-20-2013, 03:42 PM
They need a dog. They need someone to shake it up. Josh Smith hates losing and lackluster play, that's why either he or Cousins should end up being traded for. @Chronz I know you reading somewhere here, but tell me you don't see it? complacent play, wondering what is going wrong, who's the dog on this team? They need one.
Not sure what your trying to tell me

Chronz
01-20-2013, 03:43 PM
Coming from a Rockets Fan

Let me say Chandler Parsons is Overrated!!! Most Rockets fan act like he's gonna be a all-star next year or the year after, when to be honestly he was a much better player last year, he don't get put back dunks anymore, his defense has regressed, and has a vary inconsistent shot..
Im glad hes not relentlessly persuing those tip dunks anymore, they led to so many run outs last year.

Verbal Christ
01-20-2013, 05:02 PM
it all boils down to turnovers, and they lead the league. they allow teams to jump out on them double digits more often than not, and usually because of giving up the ball. they are still learning how to play with one another, and its no big secret the rockets are very active in trying to upgrade the roster so the roster as assembled probably wont look the same in a month. nobody expected a contender this year, but they are still hovering around .500 and a substantial acquisition could send the team on a run.

Hawkeye15
01-20-2013, 05:12 PM
but they desperately need a dog. They are starting to remind me of my 2012 Knicks under D'Antoni. When we were spiraling and couldn't figure out what was going wrong. That team has no cojones.

Disagree. I am sticking with my thoughts on this. The NBA season has ups and downs. When you are an average team, that means you might win 8/10, but you could and will also go through 5-6 game losing streaks. Harden isn't pressing like he was early, and teams have figured out to load his side, and make Houston's 10 average to below average PF's do something. Lin dribbling the air out of the ball many times isn't helping either, and they turn the ball over so many possessions out top, and their bigs don't have the softest hands to catch laser passes on penetration.