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Alayla
01-18-2013, 08:14 AM
Has there ever been a less warranted all-star than Iverson in 2010?

LakersIn5
01-18-2013, 08:48 AM
jameer

JiffyMix88
01-18-2013, 09:14 AM
Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard for me

kingsdelez24
01-18-2013, 09:40 AM
Theo Ratliff was selected as one, then he got injured and couldn't play

Thank God

uprightciti
01-18-2013, 10:01 AM
kg 2013 starter!

just wow

He115ing
01-18-2013, 10:34 AM
Chris "The Dinosaur" Bosh.

D-Leethal
01-18-2013, 10:35 AM
Jamaal Magloire

Rockice_8
01-18-2013, 10:37 AM
Hibbert last year averaged 13 and 9. Not allstar worthy in the least.

HouRealCoach
01-18-2013, 10:46 AM
So no one brings up Yao Ming in 03 starting over Shaq?

He averaged 13 & 8 while Shaq averaged like 27 & 12

Swashcuff
01-18-2013, 10:48 AM
What is an all star really? If the starters are decided by the fans based mostly on a player's popularity 2010 was certainly an all star by those standards. For those saying Magloire/Hibbert etc when you compare them to the players who were at their position at the time they were more deserving than damn near all. In the grand scheme of the term "All Star" they certainly are not what we would consider deserving but within the years in which they played that's a different story. This topic is tricky in all honesty but truth be told 2010 A.I. could be at the very top of the pile when you consider his level of play as compared to others who weren't a part of the game but he didn't even take part so that's really a moot point.

JasonJohnHorn
01-18-2013, 12:13 PM
Fans vote in guys they love, even if they are having a bad season. It's why Mcgrady almost made the team when he hadn't played a game. Magic made his last all-star appearance without having even played a game.

Other guys have already mentioned it, but Magloire, Hibbert and I'll throw in Kevin Duckworth, all made the team without putting up all-star numbers. Mark Eaton perhaps as well (though his defense is what got him on the rosters).


I mean, literally, there are guys who have been voted on without even playing a game. Mourning made and all-star team one season without having played a game. And as I mentioned so did Magic. Magic played, but Mourning was injured so he did not.

So yes, I guess there have been less deserving guys who made the roster since Iverson at least played that season, where as some other guys did not.

Green_Monster
01-18-2013, 12:42 PM
Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard for me


kg 2013 starter!

just wow

The thread says least deserving allstar of all time, not least deserving starter.

KG and Howard should both be on the allstar team, wether they should be starting is questionable.

HowFit
01-18-2013, 01:19 PM
So no one brings up Yao Ming in 03 starting over Shaq?

He averaged 13 & 8 while Shaq averaged like 27 & 12

Yep, that's one...

Stinkyoutsider
01-18-2013, 01:31 PM
Least deverving, maybe? But with the way all-stars are selected, I don't have too much of a problem with the selections so far...

We as fans vote in the guys we want to see play in the game. KG isn't the player he used to be but he might be just as popular, so we voted him in and he's starting. I kind of thought Tim Duncan should be starting for the West but we voted Howard in, so he gets the nod.

In the same way the all-star starters are voted in based on our desire to see them play, I think the reserves are the same way but the coaches vote these guys in. They may be just as guilty as us for the selections we made? Who knows though? Maybe a guy like David Lee, who most of us thinks deserves the chance to be there, doesn't make it because the coaches like other players at his position?

TheNumber37
01-18-2013, 01:33 PM
absolutely wrong about ai.

he was voted in, fans made him deserve it

look for Jamal magloire

LAKobeBryant
01-18-2013, 01:38 PM
jameer

+1 lool i remember when Nelson made the all star team i bet that was the year SVG was the coach for the east tho.

LAKobeBryant
01-18-2013, 01:40 PM
absolutely wrong about ai.

he was voted in, fans made him deserve it

look for Jamal magloire


Jamal score team high 19pts in the all star game against yao and shaq.

ManRam
01-18-2013, 01:41 PM
jameer

Jameer was really good the first half of that season...

He averaged 16.9 points, 5.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds a game in 31.5 minutes at the break (he got injured and didn't even play). He shot 50.4% from the field and 44.6% from three. 88.0% from the line too. Those are insane averages. He was flirting with the legendary 50/40/90 club.

A lot of Knicks fans were clamoring for Ray Felton to make it.

He was averaging 17/8/3 at the break, which looks great and all...but he was shooting 41% from the field and 30% from three. He was far less efficient. His PER was way less. He had fewer win shares. There was no advanced metric out there suggesting he was playing better than Nelson, not a single one.

There wasn't much competition at the point guard spot.

Mo Williams was having a lesser year, but did eventually get in (for Bosh). Iverson was the starter. It was a weak class for East PGs...but he deserved it compared to his peers.

lol, please
01-18-2013, 01:54 PM
Has there ever been a less warranted all-star than Iverson in 2010?

Lin in 2013.

SeoulBeatz
01-18-2013, 01:56 PM
Has there ever been a less warranted all-star than Iverson in 2010?



nope lol. that one takes the cake.

Sly Guy
01-18-2013, 03:06 PM
Jamaal Magloire

this is pretty up there. Man the east was weak up front that year.

PacersForLife
01-18-2013, 03:14 PM
This year it's gotta be KG.

rockbottom2010
01-18-2013, 03:24 PM
dwight howard doesn't deserve this years all star....r u kidding me

Chronz
01-18-2013, 03:34 PM
BJ Armstrong was the one to give birth to my fade but hes no All-Star

AWC713
01-18-2013, 03:55 PM
So no one brings up Yao Ming in 03 starting over Shaq?

He averaged 13 & 8 while Shaq averaged like 27 & 12

Yao averaged 18 and 9 that year....shaq 22 and 12....shaq had slightly better numbers but yao certainly wasnt a scrub

Im_in_Mia_bish
01-18-2013, 04:16 PM
Yao when he was injured lol

marvILLous
01-18-2013, 04:21 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/armstbj01/gamelog/1994/

lol

Fresno
01-18-2013, 04:25 PM
Yao averaged 18 and 9 that year....shaq 22 and 12....shaq had slightly better numbers but yao certainly wasnt a scrub

Yao started over Shaq in the ASG as a rookie due to voting.

Fresno
01-18-2013, 04:29 PM
Iverson got the fan vote but remember he had been traded at the start of the season to Detroit and was putting up solid numbers playing out of position/role to replace Chauncey.

He was still arguably the most popular guard in the NBA along with Kobe in terms of fanbase.

It wasnt until after the game that Iverson never really played again.

Steelers23_06
01-18-2013, 04:32 PM
i think mo williams. a.i. was actually a great player just past his prime. although mo avg career highs that season he just rode the coattails of lebron into the all star game. and just got in bc of injury (ironic that it was to chris bosh lol). but after lebrons depaurature and prior to his arrival to cle u saw the true player that he is.

Lakers + Giants
01-18-2013, 04:37 PM
hibbert

JPS
01-18-2013, 04:42 PM
Iguodala

NYYCowboys
01-18-2013, 04:42 PM
The thread says least deserving allstar of all time, not least deserving starter.

KG and Howard should both be on the allstar team, wether they should be starting is questionable.

The fact that KG is starting really isn't questionable at all....I would take Brook Lopez, Tyson Chandler, David West, Carlos Boozer, Noah and maybe Greg Monroe over him this year.

KrazeeEyezKilla
01-18-2013, 07:20 PM
Yi Jianlian...if he hadn't been injured

Jesse2272
01-18-2013, 07:33 PM
The starters are voted by the fans its a popularity thing not a best player thing

I look forward to the reserve choices

Alayla
01-18-2013, 07:52 PM
Iverson got the fan vote but remember he had been traded at the start of the season to Detroit and was putting up solid numbers playing out of position/role to replace Chauncey.

He was still arguably the most popular guard in the NBA along with Kobe in terms of fanbase.

It wasnt until after the game that Iverson never really played again.

Acutally it was the year atfer that dude when he played for the Grizz and the Sixers

Alayla
01-18-2013, 07:53 PM
Iguodala

Got to back Iggy here he may not have had an allstar season last year but he had been snubbed for a long time and was owed it.

LASportsFan1996
01-18-2013, 08:18 PM
dwight howard doesn't deserve this years all star....r u kidding me

He leads NBA in REB, he deserves to be an All Star

Green_Monster
01-18-2013, 08:44 PM
The fact that KG is starting really isn't questionable at all....I would take Brook Lopez, Tyson Chandler, David West, Carlos Boozer, Noah and maybe Greg Monroe over him this year.

Hah. I could see Chandler starting, but not the rest.

*Chandler and Lopez are having better seasons. But, Lopez was injured for a little while.

*Boozer and West are PF's.

*KG is having a better season than Noah, and a much better season than Monroe.

*KG has the most name value.

bagwell368
01-18-2013, 08:57 PM
Ralph Sampson his last couple of ASG's... no excuse whatever to put that piece of crap on an AS team.

John Walls Era
01-18-2013, 10:17 PM
Okur

Gibby
01-18-2013, 10:34 PM
Theo Ratliff was selected as one, then he got injured and couldn't play

Thank God

lol wasnt he replaced with Jamaal Magloire, which was worse.

PleaseBeNice
01-18-2013, 10:50 PM
being an all star doesnt mean anything rather than popularity

rocket
01-18-2013, 11:02 PM
How are you going to say AI like in any sense. Like common sense tells you there has to be a far worse one.

mike_noodles
01-18-2013, 11:05 PM
Antonio Davis for me. He was an injury replacemtn but still.

Shkelqim
01-18-2013, 11:24 PM
Wasnt Grant Hill voted in and didnt play a single game one year

Alayla
01-18-2013, 11:28 PM
How are you going to say AI like in any sense. Like common sense tells you there has to be a far worse one.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html
Take a look at his final season.. It has pretty hard to wacth

Alayla
01-18-2013, 11:29 PM
Wasnt Grant Hill voted in and didnt play a single game one year

messed up if true

JPS
01-19-2013, 12:38 AM
VC

So you are saying that he was undeserving of being an allstar the year he was an allstar... Wait so was I

Kashmir13579
01-19-2013, 12:46 AM
Wasn't T-Mac still making all-star appearances around that time? Shaq was there on his way out too. I don't rank Iverson as least deserving at all. At least he was a superstar.

Kashmir13579
01-19-2013, 12:47 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html
Take a look at his final season.. It has pretty hard to wacth

Yeah but he was still A.I.

tapajafri
01-19-2013, 12:47 AM
I know it's recent, but Roy Hibbert last year has got to be in consideration.

He's solid, but he's just simply not an all star by any means.

KrazeeEyezKilla
01-19-2013, 12:49 AM
lol wasnt he replaced with Jamaal Magloire, which was worse.

antonio davis

popo85
01-19-2013, 12:55 AM
In the early 2000's when Dream, Ewing and Robinson were near the end. These guys made it.

Dale Davis 2000

Anthony Mason 2001

Theo Ratliff 2001

Antonio Davis 2001

Brad Miller 2003

Jamaal Magloire 2004

Decent players but not all star caliber.

tapajafri
01-19-2013, 12:57 AM
In the early 2000's when Dream, Ewing and Robinson were near the end. These guys made it.

Dale Davis 2000

Anthony Mason 2001

Theo Ratliff 2001

Antonio Davis 2001

Brad Miller 2003

Jamaal Magloire 2004

Decent players but not all star caliber.

Lol nah... Brad Miller was very deserving of an all star appearance that year. I know he's not the popular choice by the fans because he's a big white redneck with no flash to his game, but there's a reason why they let the coaches vote for the reserves. Miller was a top 5 center in the game (maybe top 3 after Shaq and Yao of course) and there's a reason why the coaches voted him again. He was even more deserving the next year in 2004 as he was one of the league's leaders in triple doubles that season which included double digit assists....for a center. But I agree with all of your other choices.

popo85
01-19-2013, 01:12 AM
Lol nah... Brad Miller was very deserving of an all star appearance that year. I know he's not the popular choice by the fans because he's a big white redneck with no flash to his game, but there's a reason why they let the coaches vote for the reserves. Miller was a top 5 center in the game (maybe top 3 after Shaq and Yao of course) and there's a reason why the coaches voted him again. He was even more deserving the next year in 2004 as he was one of the league's leaders in triple doubles that season which included double digit assists....for a center. But I agree with all of your other choices.

Miller was solid at a time when the league was dominated by guards which continues til this date, if you compare his numbers to Smiths 92-98, Vlade 93-96 and Sabonis 96-98 they are quite similar but those guys got a combined 2 all star games in there careers due to the high level of play at that position at the time. Wonder if we will ever have another era in which centers were the most talented and productive.

tapajafri
01-19-2013, 02:47 AM
Miller was solid at a time when the league was dominated by guards which continues til this date, if you compare his numbers to Smiths 92-98, Vlade 93-96 and Sabonis 96-98 they are quite similar but those guys got a combined 2 all star games in there careers due to the high level of play at that position at the time. Wonder if we will ever have another era in which centers were the most talented and productive.

You make a valid point. I agree, that was the really the last era of dominating centers.... and I'm not saying Miller, Ben Wallace, McGloire, etc were dominate. Other than Shaq and Yao, there really weren't anymore dominating centers and I agree, it was much harder for guys like Vlade and Sabonis to get in during the 90's. I still think Miller was deserving of an all star appearance though because he was also one of the top PF's in the league. He went to Sac and played PF while Divac played C and Miller was still playing at an all star level when the league west was rich with PF's... Garnett, Duncan, Wallace, Dirk, etc. But like I said, you have a valid argument.

envymamba24
01-19-2013, 03:16 AM
In the early 2000's when Dream, Ewing and Robinson were near the end. These guys made it.

Dale Davis 2000

Anthony Mason 2001

Theo Ratliff 2001

Antonio Davis 2001

Brad Miller 2003

Jamaal Magloire 2004

Decent players but not all star caliber.

if my memory serves me correctly, he had a monster all star game though but i could be wrong

Alayla
01-19-2013, 07:12 AM
Yeah but he was still A.I.

He clearly WASN'T the same AI he still had gas in the tank as an NBA player but he was far from an allstar worthy player and this is coming from a huge Iverson supporter

--23--
01-19-2013, 09:34 AM
Yao Ming 2010–11 season, he only played 5 games that year and still got voted in...as a starter!!! :facepalm:

This is by far the worst

Alayla
01-19-2013, 12:53 PM
Yao Ming 2010–11 season, he only played 5 games that year and still got voted in...as a stater!!! :facepalm:

This is by far the worst

You win thats defiantly a worse one.

bootsy
01-19-2013, 02:13 PM
Has there ever been a less warranted all-star than Iverson in 2010?

Horrible example. There are so many that are ahead of him many listed in this thread and you use Iverson 2010? Dumb.

bootsy
01-19-2013, 02:17 PM
Got to back Iggy here he may not have had an allstar season last year but he had been snubbed for a long time and was owed it.

LOL Iggy was not snubbed for a long time. Tell me what years Iggy was a deserving All Star before last season. Iggy was never a borderline All Star at any point in his career. Man you are making Sixer fans like me look really bad.

Alayla
01-19-2013, 10:35 PM
LOL Iggy was not snubbed for a long time. Tell me what years Iggy was a deserving All Star before last season. Iggy was never a borderline All Star at any point in his career. Man you are making Sixer fans like me look really bad.

You saying i look bad and your defending Iversons all-star appearance in 2010? thats madness once again im a huge iverson fan and i dont like Iggy but i am also a realist.
And anyone who says this CLEARLY doesn't know the first thing about basketball until last season Iggy had 1 weakness 3 point shooting last season he had i weakness as well free throw shooting.
Iggy has been a top 3 wing defender for awhile now and on top of that averaged like 15 5 and 5 he was a role player sure and not meant to be a number 1 option but he was an all star.

smith&wesson
01-19-2013, 10:58 PM
antonio davis

Chronz
01-20-2013, 12:28 AM
You win thats defiantly a worse one.
Id rather focus on non injured selections, I think Zo had a similar problem once.

Goldfinch
01-20-2013, 11:13 AM
Id rather focus on non injured selections, I think Zo had a similar problem once.

Jamal Magloire made an all allstar team in 2004. I think he was averaging something like 14 and 9..lol. And he never returned to another one.