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NBA_Starter
01-17-2013, 06:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8847203

Kashmir13579
01-17-2013, 06:41 PM
I'm in his corner.

bholly
01-17-2013, 06:58 PM
I'm in his corner.

Yup, me too. Absolutely.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 06:59 PM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

dhopisthename
01-17-2013, 07:03 PM
I would have to know way more when he says that it is "unsafe" to form a proper opinion, but he really just sounds like he is whining

KingPosey
01-17-2013, 07:04 PM
I can't watch it on my iPhone, any key talking points?

RenegadeRiot36
01-17-2013, 07:09 PM
I still think hes milking it. I mean, what are the Rockets supposed to do? Its a panic disorder. He's not schizophrenic. They're doing whatever they can to keep the player they're paying millions of dollars to and White is making no effort whatsoever to honor the contract he signed. Hes equally at fault here.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:12 PM
I would have to know way more when he says that it is "unsafe" to form a proper opinion, but he really just sounds like he is whining

Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.

NBA_Starter
01-17-2013, 07:15 PM
I can't watch it on my iPhone, any key talking points?

Bunch of entitled bull about how the Rockets are only treating him as a piece of meat and a commodity. Complete refusal to accept how the world of professional sports works, refusal to accept that pro athletes are paid to produce physically and not for their uniqueness as human beings.

Saying he's not reporting to D-League because it is an unsafe environment?

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:20 PM
I still think hes milking it. I mean, what are the Rockets supposed to do? Its a panic disorder. He's not schizophrenic. They're doing whatever they can to keep the player they're paying millions of dollars to and White is making no effort whatsoever to honor the contract he signed. Hes equally at fault here.

Jobs across america have protocols in place for physically handicapped people. Some of the top companies in the world make sure that physical limitations are not a barrier in finding the moist talented employees.

Mental disabilities are just as big as physical ones. Just because you cannot relate because you do not have one does not make the situation any different.

People with mental disabilities should be able to pursue their dreams just as much as a person with a physical disability.

Royce is right. What the NBA and frankly most companies in the world lack is understanding and proper protocols. By not fighting and just going with what the Rockets are asking of him like a sheep, he would not only be doing a disservice to himself but to anyone that has a mental disability and hopes to one day over come it and have a productive life.

This is not a personal vendetta against the Rockets. It's against the NBA and all of professional sports in general as well as all the employers across the U.S. that do not acknowledge mental disorders and do not have proper protocols in place to help people.

Empathy could go a long way.

EDIT: Even the assigned psychologist that the Rockets assigned to Royce agrees with him and has been reported many times. That should tell you something.

Also citing West and Artest is unproductive and frankly stupid. They have completely different mental disabilities than Royce.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:24 PM
Bunch of entitled bull about how the Rockets are only treating him as a piece of meat and a commodity. Complete refusal to accept how the world of professional sports works, refusal to accept that pro athletes are paid to produce physically and not for their uniqueness as human beings.

Saying he's not reporting to D-League because it is an unsafe environment?

This is how sheep think, Go with the flow and do not make waves just because "it's how the world of professional sports works"

Just like a physical limitation should not impede a doctor from helping people, a mental disability should not impede Royce from taking his talents and physical abilities as far as he can. He has the talent and physical ability to be a basketball player and if simple protocols and acknowledgement were in place this would not even be an issue.

FYI he is not just dealing with anxiety. He has been diagnosed with multiple mental disorders.

HotMayo
01-17-2013, 07:34 PM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

Great post

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:36 PM
They need to trade him to a team that does not care about the money and is willing to spend to ensure the players are comfortable. Dallas, Portland, Miami, Brooklyn, Knicks, Lakers seem like good destinations. Ideally he should be playing on a team on the east coast where the travel schedule is more forgiving.

I think one of the Atlantic division teams would be good because they have the easiest travel schedule in the league with their inter divisional road games being so close

RenegadeRiot36
01-17-2013, 07:36 PM
Jobs across america have protocols in place for physically handicapped people. Some of the top companies in the world make sure that physical limitations are not a barrier in finding the moist talented employees.

Mental disabilities are just as big as physical ones. Just because you cannot relate because you do not have one does not make the situation any different.

People with mental disabilities should be able to pursue their dreams just as much as a person with a physical disability.

Royce is right. What the NBA and frankly most companies in the world lack is understanding and proper protocols. By not fighting and just going with what the Rockets are asking of him like a sheep, he would not only be doing a disservice to himself but to anyone that has a mental disability and hopes to one day over come it and have a productive life.

This is not a personal vendetta against the Rockets. It's against the NBA and all of professional sports in general as well as all the employers across the U.S. that do not acknowledge mental disorders and do not have proper protocols in place to help people.

Empathy could go a long way.

EDIT: Even the assigned psychologist that the Rockets assigned to Royce agrees with him and has been reported many times. That should tell you something.

Believe me, I'm well aware of the severity of mental disorders. That being said, his approach is what throws me off. There is one thing to go out and make a difference in the profession for others to come after you. Perfect example is Brandon Marshall of the Bears. He has taken it upon himself to become the spokesperson for athletes with bipolar disorder since he was diagnosed last year. He is representing the effected athletes in a professional manner and is working with the system to make changes that help. White is doing the opposite. He is sitting there with his hands tied behind his back wanting everything to be perfect for him before he even makes an effort. If there is no program or protocol in place, you either meet the system half way or dont enter it at all. No one told him to sign a multi-million dollar contract in a league with no protocols for his specific mental illness. He should have some desire to honor the commitment that he made. White can easily work with his and the nba to correct and find solutions for the issues that are problematic with him. Instead, he expects it to be done for him like a spoiled child and make all his money in the meantime.

reffahead
01-17-2013, 07:43 PM
It's simple, play him at home and nearby cities close enough for bus rides and last but not least pay him half his salary.

Stunner
01-17-2013, 07:44 PM
If this was Lebron the Rockets would be doing anything and everything to help the kid out to make everything safe for him because they know he would bring wins and major revenue . Seeing that he's an unproven rookie not so much . Well that's how it looks by some post about this situation .

Stunner
01-17-2013, 07:45 PM
It's simple, play him at home and nearby cities close enough for bus rides and last but not least pay him half his salary.

That's how I see it , until he gets better he can't play any road games unless he's able to travel by car or bus.

FlakeyFool
01-17-2013, 07:47 PM
Cry baby

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:50 PM
Believe me, I'm well aware of the severity of mental disorders. That being said, his approach is what throws me off. There is one thing to go out and make a difference in the profession for others to come after you. Perfect example is Brandon Marshall of the Bears. He has taken it upon himself to become the spokesperson for athletes with bipolar disorder since he was diagnosed last year. He is representing the effected athletes in a professional manner and is working with the system to make changes that help. White is doing the opposite. He is sitting there with his hands tied behind his back wanting everything to be perfect for him before he even makes an effort. If there is no program or protocol in place, you either meet the system half way or dont enter it at all. White can easily work with the athletes and the nba to correct the issues that are problematic with him. Instead, he expects it to be done for him like a spoiled child.

I respect your opinion and agree to an extent but you need to realize that people diagniosed with Bipolar disorder do not get panic attacks and are not at risk of death. Go on youtube or do some research on panic attacks. They are no joke. It literally feels like you are dying. Even worse the hyperventilation can even lead to death.

If a person recognizes his own triggers and refuses to participate in something that could cause him a panic attack, it is not fair to label him and say it's his fault.

Sure there are things he could have done differently but when your own personal safety is in question there is not much choice. It's easy to sit on an online forum and puff your chest out and say "just be a man" but it's not that simple for people with his condition, i am afraid.

Also you are looking at simply from a your side of it. You are looking at it from YOUR perspective meaning you think that the money, and the fame, and playing in the NBA should be enough motivation and considered "meeting in the middle". By all accounts the Rockets HAVE NOT met in the middle with him. They went an inch and wanted him to come a mile. They went 20% of the way and want him to come the other 80%

The fact that the Rockets' own team psychologist agrees with Royce is telling enough that there is something the Rockets are doing that is not right.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:50 PM
If this was Lebron the Rockets would be doing anything and everything to help the kid out to make everything safe for him because they know he would bring wins and major revenue . Seeing that he's an unproven rookie not so much . Well that's how it looks by some post about this situation .

Fair assessment

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 07:53 PM
Cry baby

Grow the **** up. Just because your broke *** puts high value in money does not mean he needs to. He cares about his own life and values it a lot more than anything the NBA can give him.

People are just mad that they live mediocre lives and WISH they could have the millions he could make and feel insulted that he does not put high value on money. In essence people are mad that he is a decent person.

MinnesotaFtw
01-17-2013, 07:57 PM
I have had severe anxiety and panic attacks for years. I know exactly how he feels. I missed 2 1/2 years of High School and had to do home school because of them. They are no fun, and no one knows how they are until you have dealt with them. Props to Royce White, hope he gets better! In my thoughts and prayers.

Alayla
01-17-2013, 08:06 PM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

So was I and i think that if u have been though something like that and overcame it you would know that the way he is handling this isnt wise.

Alayla
01-17-2013, 08:08 PM
Royce white isn't helping anyone right now even himself.

RenegadeRiot36
01-17-2013, 08:09 PM
I respect your opinion and agree to an extent but you need to realize that people diagniosed with Bipolar disorder do not get panic attacks and are not at risk of death. Go on youtube or do some research on panic attacks. They are no joke. It literally feels like you are dying. Even worse the hyperventilation can even lead to death.

If a person recognizes his own triggers and refuses to participate in something that could cause him a panic attack, it is not fair to label him and say it's his fault.

Sure there are things he could have done differently but when your own personal safety is in question there is not much choice. It's easy to sit on an online forum and puff your chest out and say "just be a man" but it's not that simple for people with his condition, i am afraid.

Also you are looking at simply from a your side of it. You are looking at it from YOUR perspective meaning you think that the money, and the fame, and playing in the NBA should be enough motivation and considered "meeting in the middle". By all accounts the Rockets HAVE NOT met in the middle with him. They went an inch and wanted him to come a mile. They went 20% of the way and want him to come the other 80%

The fact that the Rockets' own team psychologist agrees with Royce is telling enough that there is something the Rockets are doing that is not right.

Did i say anywhere that he should be a man and suck it up? No. I have a medical background and said clearly that I am well aware of the complications of a panic disorder. And if you read my previous post, you would see that I used Marshall's case as an example, not a direct connection. Im not that ignorant. Yes this is from my perspective. My perspective by no means assumes that money, fame, and the NBA should make White shut up and play. You are putting words in my mouth and are giving yourself the right to extrapolate out however much you please. I am saying White should make an honest effort to honor the LEGAL CONTRACT he signed with the team and the league that he is supposed to participate in. This means working with the medical staff of the team and the front office to make some kind of arrangement.I dont think you know what meeting halfway means. It DOES NOT MEAN PUTTING HIMSELF AT RISK BY PLAYING IMMEDIATELY. For right now means getting all the issues sorted out that will eventually make it possible for him to play. By all accounts, he isnt doing that either. The team doesnt know how to proceed because they havent dealt with the problem before. No **** they dont have protocol for it. It is White's job to work with them to solve it.

Alayla
01-17-2013, 08:11 PM
Did i say anywhere that he should be a man and suck it up? No. I have a medical background and said clearly that I am well aware of the complications of a panic disorder. And if you read my previous post, you would see that I used Marshall's case as an example, not a direct connection. Im not that ignorant. Yes this is from my perspective. My perspective by no means assumes that money, fame, and the NBA should make White shut up and play. You are putting words in my mouth and are giving yourself the right to extrapolate out however much you please. I am saying White should make an honest effort to honor the LEGAL CONTRACT he signed with the team and the league that he is supposed to participate in. This means working with the medical staff of the team and the front office to make some kind of arrangement.I dont think you know what meeting halfway means. It DOES NOT MEAN PUTTING HIMSELF AT RISK BY PLAYING IMMEDIATELY. For right now means getting all the issues sorted out that will eventually make it possible for him to play. By all accounts, he isnt doing that either. The team doesnt know how to proceed because they havent dealt with the problem before. No **** they dont have protocol for it. It is White's job to work with them to solve it.

and when he does that i can get behind him.

odiz
01-17-2013, 08:23 PM
Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.

Then he should have got an office job or locked himself in his house. If he cant travel then he shouldnt have signed an NBA contract that he had no intention of honouring. It seems like he signed for the publicity so he can be a spokesman for his problems.

rocket
01-17-2013, 08:26 PM
Cry baby

Ironic username

Robbw241
01-17-2013, 08:27 PM
Does anyone actually know the specific problems that he is having with the Rockets? Like what does he want from them? Specifics.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 08:28 PM
So was I and i think that if u have been though something like that and overcame it you would know that the way he is handling this isnt wise.

My condition is nothing like Anxiety. I can relate in that i know how it feel to have people label you and misjudge you because they do not understand your condition. However i have only had a panic attack once and that was as a child so i can only imagine what he goes through on a daily basis.

Apergers and Anxiety are two completely different things.

Yes, what he is doing IS wise because that is what he believes. Wisdom is a relative term and what you consider to be wise can be vastly different to what he sees as wise. He wants proper protocols so that he can feel safe as an NBA player with his condition. He does not want to be at risk for panic attacks as he goes through the hassles and rigorous work schedules of the NBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WFg8Ms39w

Then this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4sadYeLHKU

and understand that Royce deals with both of these things so the solutions that the first video suggests are not as easy for Royce.

Please be objective and empathetic before you judge the guy.

If you were an iron worker and they did not have proper protocols in place to make you feel safe when you are a thousand feet up building a skyscraper, would you get up there for all the money in the world?

If your answer is yes, then you put a lot of value on money and cannot possibly understand where Royce is coming from. If your answer is no then maybe you can understand why he feels he needs to fight for this.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 08:35 PM
Does anyone actually know the specific problems that he is having with the Rockets? Like what does he want from them? Specifics.

Neither the Rockets nor Royce have given any specifics on what it is he wants. They have kept everything pretty private. However it IS NOT about flying and not about the dleague.

He feels that the Rockets are treating him like a spoiled brat and do not have proper protocols in place so that he can feel safe in the work environment. So it could be a variation of things. I have met people with OCD that require routine so badly that they can freak out if something as little as a waitress taking too long on his order so he things they are poisoning him.

Not saying Royce is like this but it could be a variation of things that for confidentiality purposes the team and Royce agree it should remain private.

Frankly put, nobody knows. This is why it's unfair to put the blame on Royce. Sure the problem derives from his conditions but it is not his fault that he has these conditions.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 08:37 PM
Did i say anywhere that he should be a man and suck it up? No. I have a medical background and said clearly that I am well aware of the complications of a panic disorder. And if you read my previous post, you would see that I used Marshall's case as an example, not a direct connection. Im not that ignorant. Yes this is from my perspective. My perspective by no means assumes that money, fame, and the NBA should make White shut up and play. You are putting words in my mouth and are giving yourself the right to extrapolate out however much you please. I am saying White should make an honest effort to honor the LEGAL CONTRACT he signed with the team and the league that he is supposed to participate in. This means working with the medical staff of the team and the front office to make some kind of arrangement.I dont think you know what meeting halfway means. It DOES NOT MEAN PUTTING HIMSELF AT RISK BY PLAYING IMMEDIATELY. For right now means getting all the issues sorted out that will eventually make it possible for him to play. By all accounts, he isnt doing that either. The team doesnt know how to proceed because they havent dealt with the problem before. No **** they dont have protocol for it. It is White's job to work with them to solve it.

Sorry i misunderstood you and that i did not clarify.

With the "puff your chest" comment i was referring to all the ignorant posters out there that are telling him to "suck it up". I did not mean that part to mean you.

That said i agree with your assessment of what he should do. I do think he could have handled all this better. However i do not by any means agree with anyone that thinks he should just play. He needs to keep working with the team psychologist (who has backed Royce the whole way) and with the Rockets to make the situation better so that he can play. I think he is doing this now.

"Shut up and play" is not a solution to anything and i hope people realize this (not you).

If they CANNOT work it out they need to trade him or release him and hopefully one of the remaining teams will care enough to spend the money necessary to provide what he needs.

My gut feeling is that this involves money and the Rockets unwillingness to invest in the things he is asking.

Tymathee
01-17-2013, 08:46 PM
Going to have to check this out more later, been waiting to get into a good discussion on this.

Personally, I think he should quit. He's asking the Rockets to make concessions for him that are outside of the CBA that the NBA and players just signed.

Now, the NBA and NBAPA may be at fault here but you know what, when he signed up and he looked at his contract, he should've had his agent spell it out for him.

He's equally at fault here, he's not ******** he has a mental disorder and he could fully comprehend his actions, he just wants someone to feel pity on him and go over and above what he agreed to.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 08:48 PM
Then he should have got an office job or locked himself in his house. If he cant travel then he shouldnt have signed an NBA contract that he had no intention of honouring. It seems like he signed for the publicity so he can be a spokesman for his problems.

Do you read anything before you post?! Jesus Christ this is not about flying anymore and the fact that you are implying he cannot chase his dream because of a mental handicap is ridiculous and insulting. He is a talented basketball player with the physical gifts to play in the NBA. That kind of talent should just be thrown into am office job because the NBA does not have proper protocols in place for people with mental disorders?

Ridiculous.

CraigInSanJose
01-17-2013, 08:49 PM
Grow the **** up. Just because your broke *** puts high value in money does not mean he needs to. He cares about his own life and values it a lot more than anything the NBA can give him.

People are just mad that they live mediocre lives and WISH they could have the millions he could make and feel insulted that he does not put high value on money. In essence people are mad that he is a decent person.

You don't sound too chill right now Will haha.

I am not a doctor, I doubt any of us are. I know that there are certain mental disorders that carry a very large weight with them, whether they be physical, emotional or mental. I have had a number of family members commit suicide or die as a result of them and know from a distance others who have done the same. They were diagnosed with everything from seizures, epilepsy, schizophrenia, bi-polar, anxiety, panic attacks, dementia and many other ailments.

In doing my own research online and through close family experience, I understand that any and all of these can greatly affect someone's life.

Tht being said, the way Royce has contributed to this situation leaves him at fault just as much, if not more so than the NBA and the Rockets.

Royce and his agent should have made it known before pen was put to paper that he had so much going on.

Royce and his agent should have had at least 3 doctors do their own psychological evaluation predraft to present to teams so they knew what they were getting into.

Royce chose the wrong profession. Yes, everyone should have a chance to live their dreams, but if you suffer from anxiety/panic attacks among other things, you probably shouldn't want to be in one of the most pressure filled industries in the world. Not if you care about your health.

Royce needs to stop taking to twitter like an angry teenager and deal with these problems like a man with the Rocket's front office. Venting to the general population just comes off as childish.

Royce knew what he was getting into with NBA protocol. He can act like he didn't but clearly he has had a team of lawyers ready since day 1 to fight his case. He signed the contract to get his money and now is deciding to take his stand against how the NBA handles his mental problems. If he cared about his health so much he would have read the fine print more closely and refused to sign unless concessions were made to accommodate his issues. All people were aware of was his hesitance to fly, not the myriad of other things that have come up. Instead he took the money and now is making his stand. Pretty convenient.

I understand that as a country, both professionally and socially, we are still learning about what causes certain illnesses and disorders and it will probably be some time before we comprehend exactly what we are dealing with and how to best treat it. However, White has shown that he is intelligent enough to have manipulated this situation with the Rockets and the NBA being the bad guys when he knew from the start that there would be problems.

I understand why both sides are upset.

Royce feels his mental conditions have not been handled sensitively enough.

The Rockets are upset because if they had known this would be such a problem they probably would have never signed him. They will never say that because I'm sure Royce already has that lawsuit draft written up.

Point is, if people know fully well that they have major illnesses, they need to make those 100% clear before pursuing or accepting a job in any field.

Employers should be allowed to protect themselves just as much as employees have their own civil rights. Right now, Royce is getting paid. While the Rockets are basically paying someone disability when they thought he would be working.

If that offended anyone I apologize. Just how I feel after analyzing both sides.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 08:54 PM
Going to have to check this out more later, been waiting to get into a good discussion on this.

Personally, I think he should quit. He's asking the Rockets to make concessions for him that are outside of the CBA that the NBA and players just signed.

Now, the NBA and NBAPA may be at fault here but you know what, when he signed up and he looked at his contract, he should've had his agent spell it out for him.

He's equally at fault here, he's not ******** he has a mental disorder and he could fully comprehend his actions, he just wants someone to feel pity on him and go over and above what he agreed to.

and you are a freaking idiot. There. See? Anyone can throw their opinions around like jackasses . What facts do you have to prove he wants pity? What has he asked for that is so otherworldly? You do not know ****.

Moreover the CBA does not have anything to do with this. His contract and the money he was getting was not the issue. The contract does not specify things about travel schedules, promotional events, mandatory assignments, and whatever else teams do with players that we do not know.

You do not know what he is asking for. Until you know what it is that he asked of the Rockets you cannot properly analyze a thing.

For all you know this is the fault of the Rockets for failing to research the situation and doing their homework on what exactly needed to be done for Royce. You would think that in drafting him, the Rockets would have met with his doctors and taken their time in deciding whether they wanted him.

Royce is on record as saying he did not think he would even be drafted. Seems to me like the Rockets did what all the teams do; treat the players as commodities and took a "calculated risk" without realizing that they are not in a casino playing blackjack and are deciding on the future of a human being. If they had done their homework maybe this would not be happening.

sjbirds
01-17-2013, 08:56 PM
ok here is my problem with this whole situation. He was fine early in the season with no problems until he was demoted to the dleague. He can say all he wants its not about that but then why wait til you are demoted? And guess what? you are a piece of meat just like football players and any other professional, not just sports. You are paid to do your job and when you cant do your job anymore you are fired.

Tymathee
01-17-2013, 08:57 PM
and you are a freaking idiot. There. See? Anyone can throw their opinions around like jackasses . What facts do you have to prove he wants pity? What has he asked for that is so otherworldly? You do not know ****.

Moreover the CBA does not have anything to do with this. His contract and the money he was getting was not the issue. The contract does not specify things about travel schedules, promotional events, mandatory assignments, and whatever else teams do with players that we do not know.

You do not know what he is asking for. Until you know what it is that he asked of the Rockets you cannot properly analyze a thing.

One, chill out will, two. how do u know what i do or do not know? I'm going to find the article that I saw EXACTLY, what royce is saying he wants from the rockets and how it violates the CBA, so unless you know what i know, do not call me an idiot.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 09:05 PM
Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.

who hasnt at some point in their life? i read somewhere between 15 to 20% of americans have it, which should mean royce isnt the only one in the nba with it and certainly not the first or last.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:12 PM
Royce needs to report to the d league and play basketball, or dont. ask for your contract to be voided and find a career that better suits your condition. I understand some people have certain problems /disabilities that can be physical or mental, but everything cant stop for this one guy. Mental disorders are tough because its like opening pandoras box, physical disabilities are pretty cut n dry in that they are very visable and evident for the most part. If the rockets and NBA allows this players are going to start to abuse this kind of thing to benefit themselves or get a fairer shake. I dont wanna go to the d league so ill claim i have a disorder in order to keep myself in the big time or limelight if you will. Its a distraction to the team and sport. If im a head coach am i gonna give a guy minutes in an nba game that he doesnt belong in because of a mental disorder. I havent read too deep into this and maybe i only scratched the surface and there is more here, but my opinion is hes gotta play basketball. if a player with one arm somehow got drafted to an nba team and then they couldnt cut or demote him based on his disability i think that would look pretty ridiculous.

tmacsc2
01-17-2013, 09:13 PM
He just needs to retire. End the story. End his "fear". End everything that is "unsafe" about Pro sports.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:16 PM
You don't sound too chill right now Will haha.

I am not a doctor, I doubt any of us are. I know that there are certain mental disorders that carry a very large weight with them, whether they be physical, emotional or mental. I have had a number of family members commit suicide or die as a result of them and know from a distance others who have done the same. They were diagnosed with everything from seizures, epilepsy, schizophrenia, bi-polar, anxiety, panic attacks, dementia and many other ailments.

In doing my own research online and through close family experience, I understand that any and all of these can greatly affect someone's life.

Tht being said, the way Royce has contributed to this situation leaves him at fault just as much, if not more so than the NBA and the Rockets.

Royce and his agent should have made it known before pen was put to paper that he had so much going on.

Royce and his agent should have had at least 3 doctors do their own psychological evaluation predraft to present to teams so they knew what they were getting into.

Royce chose the wrong profession. Yes, everyone should have a chance to live their dreams, but if you suffer from anxiety/panic attacks among other things, you probably shouldn't want to be in one of the most pressure filled industries in the world. Not if you care about your health.

Royce needs to stop taking to twitter like an angry teenager and deal with these problems like a man with the Rocket's front office. Venting to the general population just comes off as childish.

Royce knew what he was getting into with NBA protocol. He can act like he didn't but clearly he has had a team of lawyers ready since day 1 to fight his case. He signed the contract to get his money and now is deciding to take his stand against how the NBA handles his mental problems. If he cared about his health so much he would have read the fine print more closely and refused to sign unless concessions were made to accommodate his issues. All people were aware of was his hesitance to fly, not the myriad of other things that have come up. Instead he took the money and now is making his stand. Pretty convenient.

I understand that as a country, both professionally and socially, we are still learning about what causes certain illnesses and disorders and it will probably be some time before we comprehend exactly what we are dealing with and how to best treat it. However, White has shown that he is intelligent enough to have manipulated this situation with the Rockets and the NBA being the bad guys when he knew from the start that there would be problems.

I understand why both sides are upset.

Royce feels his mental conditions have not been handled sensitively enough.

The Rockets are upset because if they had known this would be such a problem they probably would have never signed him. They will never say that because I'm sure Royce already has that lawsuit draft written up.

Point is, if people know fully well that they have major illnesses, they need to make those 100% clear before pursuing or accepting a job in any field.

Employers should be allowed to protect themselves just as much as employees have their own civil rights. Right now, Royce is getting paid. While the Rockets are basically paying someone disability when they thought he would be working.

If that offended anyone I apologize. Just how I feel after analyzing both sides.

The fact that you claim to have family that committed suicide or whatever BS you are talking about does not make you right. In fact even if you are telling the truth about your "family" it does not seem that you understand much of what you are talking about.

Maybe you should ask "your family" about these panic attacks and tell them to tell you how they feel.

I will say it again. Saying that a person should not choose a specific profession he/she is talented and able at just because the employer does not have proper protocols in place for his/her condition is discriminatory, and insulting. If Royce where to take this to court i have no doubt that the NBA or the Rockets or whoever would come out looking pretty bad, not Royce for chasing his dreams.

Moreover Royce is not directly involved with his contract negotiations just like any other player. Agents handle all this so if there is any fault it is more with the agent and team. There is an obvious lapse in communication here and the more likely explanation is that the Rockets did not do their homework on him and his conditions and just put a label on it like "fear of flying" and took the risk on him.

You make it seem like Royce was the only signature required. The Rockets signed the contract just like the agent. Maybe the agent and the Rockets should not have labeled him and said to themselves "he can just take buses if he is afraid to fly" and think of only $$$. He had doctors and a medical history. Not just fear of flying.

If the Rockets had your line of thinking and though he should not be a basketball player then maybe they would not have drafted him. Obviously SOMEONE thinks he was worth it.

It is easier to tell a player not to become a basketball player than it is to put the proper protocols in place so that players with his conditions will be well attended to. I forgot thou... this is professional sports... Players are properties in this work environment and not worth the trouble. If this was Lebron that had this issue the Cavs would have jumped through hoops to get him all the help he needs and meet all his demands.

You have analyzed nothing. You do not have any of the facts. You are ignorant of the situation and claiming to be some superior voice in the situation because you claim to have "family" with some random mental disorders you probably got from the internet. Your post is worthless.

I do not claim to know anymore than you do. I am merely defending a player whose situation we do not know enough about to judge him. The media will always paint the player as the villain. Always. Keeping an objective mind without the presence of facts is key here.

Until we see the demands he made of the Rockets that are not being disclosed by either side, we cannot judge him.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:19 PM
ok here is my problem with this whole situation. He was fine early in the season with no problems until he was demoted to the dleague. He can say all he wants its not about that but then why wait til you are demoted? And guess what? you are a piece of meat just like football players and any other professional, not just sports. You are paid to do your job and when you cant do your job anymore you are fired.

You do not know if it was the demotion itself that started this. You do not know what he goes through. I saw my friend with his condition scream at a waitress because she touched his fork with her bare hands. People with OCD are all about routines.

You do not know that it was the demotion that set him off or something that happened within the organization that we do not know. You are labeling him as a player and therefore judging him with your preconceived notions of what a player would do when presented with a dleague demotion.

Fact is that we do not know if it was the demotion itself that set this all off

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:21 PM
He's not mentally tough enough to play in the nba, its that easy. He does not belong. This is the highest level of sports and an entertainment business and many people dont make it for many reasons. This is the reason royce white will not make it. No amount of political correctness, lawsuits or anything else is going to change this.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:21 PM
One, chill out will, two. how do u know what i do or do not know? I'm going to find the article that I saw EXACTLY, what royce is saying he wants from the rockets and how it violates the CBA, so unless you know what i know, do not call me an idiot.

Find it. Please. I will wait.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 09:25 PM
The fact that you claim to have family that committed suicide or whatever BS you are talking about does not make you right. In fact even if you are telling the truth about your "family" it does not seem that you understand much of what you are talking about.

Maybe you should ask "your family" about these panic attacks and tell them to tell you how they feel.

I will say it again. Saying that a person should not choose a specific profession he/she is talented and able at just because the employer does not have proper protocols in place for his/her condition is discriminatory, and insulting. If Royce where to take this to court i have no doubt that the NBA or the Rockets or whoever would come out looking pretty bad, not Royce for chasing his dreams.

Moreover Royce is not directly involved with his contract negotiations just like any other player. Agents handle all this so if there is any fault it is more with the agent and team. There is an obvious lapse in communication here and the more likely explanation is that the Rockets did not do their homework on him and his conditions and just put a label on it like "fear of flying" and took the risk on him.

You make it seem like Royce was the only signature required. The Rockets signed the contract just like the agent. Maybe the agent and the Rockets should not have labeled him and said to themselves "he can just take buses if he is afraid to fly" and think of only $$$. He had doctors and a medical history. Not just fear of flying.

If the Rockets had your line of thinking and though he should not be a basketball player then maybe they would not have drafted him. Obviously SOMEONE thinks he was worth it.

It is easier to tell a player not to become a basketball player than it is to put the proper protocols in place so that players with his conditions will be well attended to. I forgot thou... this is professional sports... Players are properties in this work environment and not worth the trouble. If this was Lebron that had this issue the Cavs would have jumped through hoops to get him all the help he needs and meet all his demands.

You have analyzed nothing. You do not have any of the facts. You are ignorant of the situation and claiming to be some superior voice in the situation because you claim to have "family" with some random mental disorders you probably got from the internet. Your post is worthless.

I do not claim to know anymore than you do. I am merely defending a player whose situation we do not know enough about to judge him. The media will always paint the player as the villain. Always. Keeping an objective mind without the presence of facts is key here.

Until we see the demands he made of the Rockets that are not being disclosed by either side, we cannot judge him.

lol he's not winning in court over anything.

Jamiecballer
01-17-2013, 09:25 PM
for a man with an anxiety disorder he sure seems comfortable in front of the camera. something is off.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 09:28 PM
You do not know if it was the demotion itself that started this. You do not know what he goes through. I saw my friend with his condition scream at a waitress because she touched his fork with her bare hands. People with OCD are all about routines.

You do not know that it was the demotion that set him off or something that happened within the organization that we do not know. You are labeling him as a player and therefore judging him with your preconceived notions of what a player would do when presented with a dleague demotion.

Fact is that we do not know if it was the demotion itself that set this all off

your friend is an ******* lol, i got some ocd and i would never do something dumb like that. if you can realize what your weakness is, you can work at it.

Sactown
01-17-2013, 09:28 PM
I can't be in Royce White's corner as he is to vague, if you have a problem with something, complaining and not showing up isn't the answer, providing a solution is, and as of right now he hasn't done that from my understanding.

Also it appears his problems appear when things get rough, demotion to the D-League, hell week.. Why wasn't he trying to find a solution before training camp?? he had weeks to find a solution.. but he didn't speak up..

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:28 PM
who hasnt at some point in their life? i read somewhere between 15 to 20% of americans have it, which should mean royce isnt the only one in the nba with it and certainly not the first or last.

The fact that you are putting a label on it just shows what a lack of understanding people have and proved Royce right in his seeking for protocols and understanding.

Not all panic attacks are on in the same jack. Watch the video i posted and do yourself a favor. Some people may have an increase in heart rate. Some may sweat. Some hyperventilate. Some have heart attacks.

The symptoms vary.

If a player is asking for safe work environments then it is fair to assume his panic attacks are more on the extreme side. Either that or he is seeking attention which seems highly unlikely seeing as he is set to become an NBA player and be on television all the time.

Something is making him feel unsafe and until the Rockets address this i agree that he should not play. Maybe some here would find it entertaining to read about a player having a heart attack backstage or dying of hyperventilation and have a good laugh about it but the reality is that these issues are very real.

Just because we have a bunch of super men on this forum that would never admit to a fear and claim to be tough guys that can "suck it up" does not mean he needs to be this way.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:30 PM
Royce needs to report to the d league and play basketball, or dont. ask for your contract to be voided and find a career that better suits your condition. I understand some people have certain problems /disabilities that can be physical or mental, but everything cant stop for this one guy. Mental disorders are tough because its like opening pandoras box, physical disabilities are pretty cut n dry in that they are very visable and evident for the most part. If the rockets and NBA allows this players are going to start to abuse this kind of thing to benefit themselves or get a fairer shake. I dont wanna go to the d league so ill claim i have a disorder in order to keep myself in the big time or limelight if you will. Its a distraction to the team and sport. If im a head coach am i gonna give a guy minutes in an nba game that he doesnt belong in because of a mental disorder. I havent read too deep into this and maybe i only scratched the surface and there is more here, but my opinion is hes gotta play basketball. if a player with one arm somehow got drafted to an nba team and then they couldnt cut or demote him based on his disability i think that would look pretty ridiculous.

1. You do not know the facts.

2. If you wish to engage in a discussion, READ the thread. DO not just come in here. Post your opinion and leave it at that. The discussions are more productive that way because posters have already addressed your ridiculous suggestion

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:34 PM
He's not mentally tough enough to play in the nba, its that easy. He does not belong. This is the highest level of sports and an entertainment business and many people dont make it for many reasons. This is the reason royce white will not make it. No amount of political correctness, lawsuits or anything else is going to change this.

stfu and go do your homework on mental disorders.

Find me an NBA player that had Royce's disorder and were "tough enough"

If the NBA goes by your logic then Royce has grounds for a lawsuit. That would be discrimination. He has the skills and the talents for the job, the Rockets offered him a contract, and now they are unwilling to work with him on his issues which they KNEW when they drafted him.

I actually hope Royce takes it to court so that the NBA will be exposed for how they treat their players.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:34 PM
for a man with an anxiety disorder he sure seems comfortable in front of the camera. something is off.

:sigh: Yet another ignorant comment courtesy of PSD

You do not know what his triggers are.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:35 PM
lol he's not winning in court over anything.

Such a thoughtful response

CraigInSanJose
01-17-2013, 09:37 PM
The fact that you claim to have family that committed suicide or whatever BS you are talking about does not make you right. In fact even if you are telling the truth about your "family" it does not seem that you understand much of what you are talking about.

Maybe you should ask "your family" about these panic attacks and tell them to tell you how they feel.

I will say it again. Saying that a person should not choose a specific profession he/she is talented and able at just because the employer does not have proper protocols in place for his/her condition is discriminatory, and insulting. If Royce where to take this to court i have no doubt that the NBA or the Rockets or whoever would come out looking pretty bad, not Royce for chasing his dreams.

Moreover Royce is not directly involved with his contract negotiations just like any other player. Agents handle all this so if there is any fault it is more with the agent and team. There is an obvious lapse in communication here and the more likely explanation is that the Rockets did not do their homework on him and his conditions and just put a label on it like "fear of flying" and took the risk on him.

You make it seem like Royce was the only signature required. The Rockets signed the contract just like the agent. Maybe the agent and the Rockets should not have labeled him and said to themselves "he can just take buses if he is afraid to fly" and think of only $$$. He had doctors and a medical history. Not just fear of flying.

If the Rockets had your line of thinking and though he should not be a basketball player then maybe they would not have drafted him. Obviously SOMEONE thinks he was worth it.

It is easier to tell a player not to become a basketball player than it is to put the proper protocols in place so that players with his conditions will be well attended to. I forgot thou... this is professional sports... Players are properties in this work environment and not worth the trouble. If this was Lebron that had this issue the Cavs would have jumped through hoops to get him all the help he needs and meet all his demands.

You have analyzed nothing. You do not have any of the facts. You are ignorant of the situation and claiming to be some superior voice in the situation because you claim to have "family" with some random mental disorders you probably got from the internet. Your post is worthless.

I do not claim to know anymore than you do. I am merely defending a player whose situation we do not know enough about to judge him. The media will always paint the player as the villain. Always. Keeping an objective mind without the presence of facts is key here.

Until we see the demands he made of the Rockets that are not being disclosed by either side, we cannot judge him.

I'm the insensitive, ignorant, uninformed one, yet you question what happened involving my family with ZERO KNOWLEDGE on me or my family's history?

I'll be sure to ask my dead cousins (yes that means more than one) how they feel about their issues again (because we did talk about them) I'll do that just as soon as someone can bring them back to life after they put bullets through their skulls.

At least we as the general public have some knowledge of what is going on with White. You don't know ANYTHING about me or my family so SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

You talk about things being insulting, yet have no problem trying to question me on the legitimacy of death's in my family? You're a worthless hypocrite.

What is really worthless though is you spending hours defending someone you don't know and know nothing about. You criticize anyone who goes against him yet don't know what is going on aside from what he posts on Twitter. It's a good thing we know athletes don't lie to the media though.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:41 PM
stfu and go do your homework on mental disorders.

Find me an NBA player that had Royce's disorder and were "tough enough"

If the NBA goes by your logic then Royce has grounds for a lawsuit. That would be discrimination. He has the skills and the talents for the job, the Rockets offered him a contract, and now they are unwilling to work with him on his issues which they KNEW when they drafted him.

I actually hope Royce takes it to court so that the NBA will be exposed for how they treat their players.

Give me a break this is the nba and whether he likes it or not pro athletes fall under another category , they are under a microscope. Royce White needs to go home if he feels his health is at risk. My argument is valid, and if you have a mental disorder that doesnt allow you to play pro basketball then that suck but its reality. He cant put himself in a bubble whether he has control or not hes gotta work harder on it. i just watched the video and he seems pretty calm cool and collected in front of the media

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:41 PM
I can't be in Royce White's corner as he is to vague, if you have a problem with something, complaining and not showing up isn't the answer, providing a solution is, and as of right now he hasn't done that from my understanding.

Also it appears his problems appear when things get rough, demotion to the D-League, hell week.. Why wasn't he trying to find a solution before training camp?? he had weeks to find a solution.. but he didn't speak up..

Your understanding is flawed because you do not know the facts.

You only know what the media presents. The media presents only what they think which is derived from what they know. They know only what the teams, psychologists, Royce, and people connected tell them tell the media. Those people do not release much to the public because there are confidentiality issues as anyone that knows anything about the psychology field would know. The facts about what Royce is dealing with and what the team is willing and not willing to do for him is not known.

Therefore we do not know enough to cast judgment on Royce.

Several things make people think that he is the problem:

1. The lack of understanding. Like i said we do not know anything more than what we read.

2. He is outspoken. He calls out wrongful information and speaks his mind on what he believes

3. The media always paints the player as the bad guy. Always.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:42 PM
also thank you for quoting my post and not addressing my valid argument at all. Ignorance is bliss

PrettyBoyJ
01-17-2013, 09:43 PM
It's more then just the flying. He has OCD which makes it hard for him to adapt to change.. I think the Rockets are at fault and should at least try and meet him half way

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 09:45 PM
Such a thoughtful response

what could he sue them for?

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:45 PM
the world isnt fair and can never be fair for everyone, its dissappointing but its reality.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:49 PM
I'm the insensitive, ignorant, uninformed one, yet you question what happened involving my family with ZERO KNOWLEDGE on me or my family's history?

I'll be sure to ask my dead cousins (yes that means more than one) how they feel about their issues again (because we did talk about them) I'll do that just as soon as someone can bring them back to life after they put bullets through their skulls.

At least we as the general public have some knowledge of what is going on with White. You don't know ANYTHING about me or my family so SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

You talk about things being insulting, yet have no problem trying to question me on the legitimacy of death's in my family? You're a worthless hypocrite.

What is really worthless though is you spending hours defending someone you don't know and know nothing about. You criticize anyone who goes against him yet don't know what is going on aside from what he posts on Twitter. It's a good thing we know athletes don't lie to the media though.

What i criticize is opinion stated as facts with ridiculous reasoning.

You posted your opinion on the matter with no other reasoning behind it that your claim that you have all this family that had conditions. However the fallacy in your argument is that even if we are to believe your sob story (you have my deepest condolences if true) you are putting a label on Royce's condition as if all mental disorders are on in the same. You do not know how extreme his panic attacks are and do not know how his OCD affects his treatments. OCD patients are very difficult to treat.

Furthermore the lack of evidence or reason in your opinion makes it seem that the only basis for anyone taking your opinion seriously is that you claim to have an assortment of family members that had conditions.

Any dumb*** can go on the internet and claim they are millionaires or muscular 6'4" men, or whatever. So that being the only shred of support in your argument makes it seem whole ridiculous.

Kucka
01-17-2013, 09:50 PM
I feel like Royce White put himself in this position. He obviously did not disclose his concern to NBA teams about the traveling and etc. He played it off like it wouldn't impact his NBA career and now he is backed into a corner because instead of him falling in the draft to a position where teams would be more than happy to accommodate his needs he played himself up and got drafted in a position where teams expect immediate results. If he was forthcoming about the severity of his condition than it wouldn't be a problem and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Honestly if a team drafted him in the late second round I could see them doing everything in their power to help him get through his condition so he could benefit the team.

Sactown
01-17-2013, 09:55 PM
Your understanding is flawed because you do not know the facts.

You only know what the media presents. The media presents only what they think which is derived from what they know. They know only what the teams, psychologists, Royce, and people connected tell them tell the media. Those people do not release much to the public because there are confidentiality issues as anyone that knows anything about the psychology field would know. The facts about what Royce is dealing with and what the team is willing and not willing to do for him is not known.

Therefore we do not know enough to cast judgment on Royce.

Several things make people think that he is the problem:

1. The lack of understanding. Like i said we do not know anything more than what we read.

2. He is outspoken. He calls out wrongful information and speaks his mind on what he believes

3. The media always paints the player as the bad guy. Always.

You're being ignorant, because as you said there's a lack of information, so how can you jump on his bandwagon if you don't even know what it is.. Also, he had a perfect shot, TODAY, to explain to the public what is the problem, but instead, blamed the league for not being health conscious (whether they are or not isn't my issue) and didn't give the general public an idea on what could be a solution.. Instead he sat there and POINTED his finger at the league and the Houston Rockets, and said the only way to get on the right foot is for them to admit they lack knowledge (they may or may not). Seems like he wants them to comply with his demands to make things work.. NOT ONCE have I heard him submit a solution, and HE HIMSELF AS COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE MEDIA THROUGH TWITTER, so NO.. the media doesn't always paint the player in the wrong, WHEN THE PLAYERS HAVE ACCESS TO HALF OF THE MEDIA through their twitter account, which he has been very vocal, but nothing he says provide a solution... IF I had a disorder that needed special treatments, I WOULD OF BROUGHT Those up previous to me signing a contract and becoming AN ASSET (which he is regardless of what he thinks) to the Rockets... Until he provides a solution and reaches out for an agreement with the Rockets, HE IS EQUALLY TO BLAME FOR THIS PREDICAMENT! Problems aren't solved through complaining, but solutions.. until he has one he needs to STFU, and work it out with the Rockets and not through his twitter account.

TaylorMays
01-17-2013, 09:55 PM
I feel like he's doing absolutely nothing to help his cause. He refuses to say what the actual problem is besides the fact it's "unsafe"

ATX
01-17-2013, 09:55 PM
I think Chill Will needs his own blog about protecting RW, seeing as he's highjacked this thread with his supreme moral high ground and absolute knowledge of him and his issues. Everyone else seems to be a giant A hole for not blindly sticking up for this kid. I for one think RW needs to do himself a big favor and retire from the NBA. If his condition is so extreme, then he needs to find another line of work. I'm not hating on him, if he can't cut it out to be a NBA player, do something else...Something his condition will allow him to do with out all the stress. CW, Don't bother calling me whatever names I'm sure you'll come up with, I won't respond, promise. I think your being way overly protective, bordering on obsessive when it comes to your defense of this kid. I just think he should be grateful to the Rockets for drafting him and for the paycheck, and then check out of the spotlight if he can't handle it.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:57 PM
Give me a break this is the nba and whether he likes it or not pro athletes fall under another category , they are under a microscope. Royce White needs to go home if he feels his health is at risk. My argument is valid, and if you have a mental disorder that doesnt allow you to play pro basketball then that suck but its reality. He cant put himself in a bubble whether he has control or not hes gotta work harder on it. i just watched the video and he seems pretty calm cool and collected in front of the media

You argument is not valid and the fact that you think it is makes it comical.

His mental disorder does not stop him from playing basketball. He did very well in college. The problem is that colleges have protocols in place because not students that go there are athletes.

In the NBA these protocols do not exist. That is the difference.

His condition does not prevent him from playing and his psychologist already addressed that Royce's issues are far more than what the media is milking it to be.

He can play ball fine. The team that drafted him is not making the effort to put into place the protocols necessary for him to feel safe at work; mental issues that the Rockets knew when drafting in him and that most experts predicted would prevent him from being drafted. It was the Rockets that failed to their homework, not Royce. You can deduce this from assessing the situation logically.

If i am a hospital administrator and i hire a talented doctor who cannot walk and the doctor refuses to work because the job does not have protocols in place for him to do his job in a safe manner or get to work safely then there is a problem and simply blaming the doctor is both unfair and discriminatory

onlythisfar41
01-17-2013, 09:58 PM
Grow the **** up. Just because your broke *** puts high value in money does not mean he needs to. He cares about his own life and values it a lot more than anything the NBA can give him.

People are just mad that they live mediocre lives and WISH they could have the millions he could make and feel insulted that he does not put high value on money. In essence people are mad that he is a decent person.

No thats not what people are mad of. What they are angry about is that he decided to sign a contract that pays him a large sum of money, all while knowing what he was expected to do when he signed said contract. He knew what the travel schedule would be like before he signed that contract and he did it anyway.

No one forced him to sign that deal but he did it and is now being rewarded for doing nothing. I get that he has a problem that is severe and difficult to live with. Thats not my problem or I believe most peoples problem. Its that he signed a deal that benefits him greatly and is not living up to his part of the deal.

If you know prior to signing that you wont be able to abide by the rules in place, then its easy, you dont sign the deal. So in fact it seems that he does care about money and is not a decent person.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:58 PM
also thank you for quoting my post and not addressing my valid argument at all. Ignorance is bliss

This response is pure gold.

Kucka
01-17-2013, 09:58 PM
What i criticize is opinion stated as facts with ridiculous reasoning.

You posted your opinion on the matter with no other reasoning behind it that your claim that you have all this family that had conditions. However the fallacy in your argument is that even if we are to believe your sob story (you have my deepest condolences if true) you are putting a label on Royce's condition as if all mental disorders are on in the same. You do not know how extreme his panic attacks are and do not know how his OCD affects his treatments. OCD patients are very difficult to treat.

Furthermore the lack of evidence or reason in your opinion makes it seem that the only basis for anyone taking your opinion seriously is that you claim to have an assortment of family members that had conditions.

Any dumb*** can go on the internet and claim they are millionaires or muscular 6'4" men, or whatever. So that being the only shred of support in your argument makes it seem whole ridiculous.


Wow dude you sound like a ego maniac/douche. You sound so ignorant in presuming everyone is lying to create a more valid point, especially presuming someones lying about his claims they lost family members to mental disease.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
You're being ignorant, because as you said there's a lack of information, so how can you jump on his bandwagon if you don't even know what it is.. Also, he had a perfect shot, TODAY, to explain to the public what is the problem, but instead, blamed the league for not being health conscious (whether they are or not isn't my issue) and didn't give the general public an idea on what could be a solution.. Instead he sat there and POINTED his finger at the league and the Houston Rockets, and said the only way to get on the right foot is for them to admit they lack knowledge (they may or may not). Seems like he wants them to comply with his demands to make things work.. NOT ONCE have I heard him submit a solution, and HE HIMSELF AS COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE MEDIA THROUGH TWITTER, so NO.. the media doesn't always paint the player in the wrong, WHEN THE PLAYERS HAVE ACCESS TO HALF OF THE MEDIA through their twitter account, which he has been very vocal, but nothing he says provide a solution... IF I had a disorder that needed special treatments, I WOULD OF BROUGHT Those up previous to me signing a contract and becoming AN ASSET (which he is regardless of what he thinks) to the Rockets... Until he provides a solution and reaches out for an agreement with the Rockets, HE IS EQUALLY TO BLAME FOR THIS PREDICAMENT! Problems aren't solved through complaining, but solutions.. until he has one he needs to STFU, and work it out with the Rockets and not through his twitter account.
This is the opinion of someone that knows how things work. Noone is claiming he doesnt have a problem but he wants the world to bend around him not the other way around.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
what could he sue them for?

Discrimination if they refuse to meet him halfway in resolving his issues which they knew he had when they drafted him

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
I think Chill Will needs his own blog about protecting RW, seeing as he's highjacked this thread with his supreme moral high ground and absolute knowledge of him and his issues. Everyone else seems to be a giant A hole for not blindly sticking up for this kid. I for one think RW needs to do himself a big favor and retire from the NBA. If his condition is so extreme, then he needs to find another line of work. I'm not hating on him, if he can't cut it out to be a NBA player, do something else...Something his condition will allow him to do with out all the stress. CW, Don't bother calling me whatever names I'm sure you'll come up with, I won't respond, promise. I think your being way overly protective, bordering on obsessive when it comes to your defense of this kid. I just think he should be grateful to the Rockets for drafting him and for the paycheck, and then check out of the spotlight if he can't handle it.

exactly, white expects the nba to cuddle him.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 10:00 PM
Discrimination if they refuse to meet him halfway in resolving his issues which they knew he had when they drafted him

and what issues are those since you know he'l win in court?

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:00 PM
the world isnt fair and can never be fair for everyone, its dissappointing but its reality.

This is exactly what my friend said! He works at the drive through window in McDonalds. You guys must know all about situations like this where millions of dollars are at stake.

Aust
01-17-2013, 10:01 PM
Well, what did he he expect when he made himself draft eligible? Did think he could have a long productive NBA career playing only home games and games close enough to get there by bus? Did he honestly think he could drive to every game?

What can they do? Can they legally sedate him before a plain ride, let him sleep on the plane, unload him off the plane and then wake him up? Until our country develops some super bullet train rail system that branches out through the entire country, that's all I can think of.

pd1dish
01-17-2013, 10:02 PM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

i honestly DGAF what your disorder is. if you know you cant fly on an airplane, then dont pursue a career that requires you to fly. im sorry, but for me, its as simple as that.

also, if im Houston and i make a multi-million dollar investment, i expect to get something out of it. just like when a company hires any one of us, they "invest", we will say, $50,000 for you to do your job. if you fail to do that, you simply get fired. Royce should be cut from the team, no pay, and have his opportunity for another team to idiotically offer this guy a contract that probably wont be fulfilled.

ATX
01-17-2013, 10:05 PM
Then WTF do you want the Rockets to do for this kid CW?? Do they need to hold his hand when he crosses the street, and lay rose petals at his feet every morning? Drive him to games in a luxurious bus made specifically for RW? Have his own personal locker room and a special seat right next to the coach? Maybe the city of Houston could close the HOV lanes just for him when he has to drive to practice? Perhaps the Rockets could fire McHale and hire his Mom to coach him up so he feels more at home? What exactly do you want the organization to do for him to make him feel "Safe"?

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 10:06 PM
This is exactly what my friend said! He works at the drive through window in McDonalds. You guys must know all about situations like this where millions of dollars are at stake.

your a sad individual chill will, one of those people who has nothing of substance to say. As long as your right in your mind , you keep livin the dream papa

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:07 PM
I feel like Royce White put himself in this position. He obviously did not disclose his concern to NBA teams about the traveling and etc. He played it off like it wouldn't impact his NBA career and now he is backed into a corner because instead of him falling in the draft to a position where teams would be more than happy to accommodate his needs he played himself up and got drafted in a position where teams expect immediate results. If he was forthcoming about the severity of his condition than it wouldn't be a problem and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Honestly if a team drafted him in the late second round I could see them doing everything in their power to help him get through his condition so he could benefit the team.

Do you have information on what was known about him and how much the Rockets knew when they drafted him?

I would like that link. It would solve a lot of problems in this discussion.

Frankly and logically if i am a 600 million dollar organization and i am about to hire an employee for a multi million dollar contract i would make sure i do my homework on the employee right? Particularly if the employee has a history of mental disorders.

A team does not invest millions of dollars into a player without knowing the full extent of his disorders and if they do not know then the team is even more stupid for drafting him. However i am positive that the Rockets knew all along the extent of his issues. The problem is that they put a label on him and viewed him as simply a commodity (top 3 talent at 16) and drafted him as a calculated risk and now that the *** has hit the fan are relying on the media to make Royce out to look like the villain here (not helped by his outspoken nature).

The whole fear of flying was the only thing they focused on because in their lack of understanding felt that it was the only issue that would limit him in the NBA and so that is what people have been focusing on but this is no longer about flying.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:16 PM
You're being ignorant, because as you said there's a lack of information, so how can you jump on his bandwagon if you don't even know what it is.. Also, he had a perfect shot, TODAY, to explain to the public what is the problem, but instead, blamed the league for not being health conscious (whether they are or not isn't my issue) and didn't give the general public an idea on what could be a solution.. Instead he sat there and POINTED his finger at the league and the Houston Rockets, and said the only way to get on the right foot is for them to admit they lack knowledge (they may or may not). Seems like he wants them to comply with his demands to make things work.. NOT ONCE have I heard him submit a solution, and HE HIMSELF AS COMPLETE ACCESS TO THE MEDIA THROUGH TWITTER, so NO.. the media doesn't always paint the player in the wrong, WHEN THE PLAYERS HAVE ACCESS TO HALF OF THE MEDIA through their twitter account, which he has been very vocal, but nothing he says provide a solution... IF I had a disorder that needed special treatments, I WOULD OF BROUGHT Those up previous to me signing a contract and becoming AN ASSET (which he is regardless of what he thinks) to the Rockets... Until he provides a solution and reaches out for an agreement with the Rockets, HE IS EQUALLY TO BLAME FOR THIS PREDICAMENT! Problems aren't solved through complaining, but solutions.. until he has one he needs to STFU, and work it out with the Rockets and not through his twitter account.

I am not claiming he is innocent. I am reserving judgement which is what everyone should do. I am defending him because i myself have a mental disorder so know what it's like for people to label me because they do not understand my condition as people are doing with him.

I do not claim to have more information than anyone else nor am i posting my opinions as facts. A person claiming he "should suck it up he is getting millions" is frankly ignoring the crux of the issue and thinking of things only from their perspective.

You have no knowledge of what he has been instructed by his team and his psychologist to disclose to the media. He hesitated a lot in answering a few of the times which tells me he is trying to word things properly which tells me he is withholding information.

and again you do not know what would constitute as a solution because you do not know what he is asking for. You do not know which side is working harder towards a resolution and you do not know what is going on behind closed doors. You cannot say it is Royce that is not working towards a solution just because he is the source of the problem.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:17 PM
I feel like he's doing absolutely nothing to help his cause. He refuses to say what the actual problem is besides the fact it's "unsafe"

There are confidentiality issues. You do not know how much he has been allowed to disclose.

Kucka
01-17-2013, 10:18 PM
Do you have information on what was known about him and how much the Rockets knew when they drafted him?

I would like that link. It would solve a lot of problems in this discussion.

Frankly and logically if i am a 600 million dollar organization and i am about to hire an employee for a multi million dollar contract i would make sure i do my homework on the employee right? Particularly if the employee has a history of mental disorders.

A team does not invest millions of dollars into a player without knowing the full extent of his disorders and if they do not know then the team is even more stupid for drafting him. However i am positive that the Rockets knew all along the extent of his issues. The problem is that they put a label on him and viewed him as simply a commodity (top 3 talent at 16) and drafted him as a calculated risk and now that the *** has hit the fan are relying on the media to make Royce out to look like the villain here (not helped by his outspoken nature).

The whole fear of flying was the only thing they focused on because in their lack of understanding felt that it was the only issue that would limit him in the NBA and so that is what people have been focusing on but this is no longer about flying.


It was my opinion on what happened. I think the Rockets and White are both at fault for being ignorant to the situation they would face after draft day. I think White could have disclosed his need for special treatment and the Rockets could have obviously should have done their homework on the situation. Clearly at this point its obvious the Rockets aren't willing to bend over backwards for him so why wouldn't he have made the attempt to find a team that would work with him on his condition rather than attempt to normalize him? I feel like he is just looking for a podium to preach his disability. Good for him for having the balls to take on an NBA organization.

One thing doesn't make sense, simply a NBA team would ask him, would you have an issue flying to away game and if he said he couldn't do that than he wouldn't have been drafted that high. Clearly he had to have mislead the Rockets in some way to land

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 10:19 PM
Then WTF do you want the Rockets to do for this kid CW?? Do they need to hold his hand when he crosses the street, and lay rose petals at his feet every morning? Drive him to games in a luxurious bus made specifically for RW? Have his own personal locker room and a special seat right next to the coach? Maybe the city of Houston could close the HOV lanes just for him when he has to drive to practice? Perhaps the Rockets could fire McHale and hire his Mom to coach him up so he feels more at home? What exactly do you want the organization to do for him to make him feel "Safe"?

yep he wants them to accommodate all his wishes because of his mental illness lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUS6QBiViQ thats when he gets drafted, in that video he mentions how the rockets didnt have to take him but they did. he talks about overcoming things yet he cant do it. an nba organization chooses you to play for them for millions of dollars when they could have easily passed which also means a lot less money and this is how you repay them? retire or play stop ****en crying, you're not unique if 20% of the population has the same disorder.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:20 PM
I think Chill Will needs his own blog about protecting RW, seeing as he's highjacked this thread with his supreme moral high ground and absolute knowledge of him and his issues. Everyone else seems to be a giant A hole for not blindly sticking up for this kid. I for one think RW needs to do himself a big favor and retire from the NBA. If his condition is so extreme, then he needs to find another line of work. I'm not hating on him, if he can't cut it out to be a NBA player, do something else...Something his condition will allow him to do with out all the stress. CW, Don't bother calling me whatever names I'm sure you'll come up with, I won't respond, promise. I think your being way overly protective, bordering on obsessive when it comes to your defense of this kid. I just think he should be grateful to the Rockets for drafting him and for the paycheck, and then check out of the spotlight if he can't handle it.

Interesting. Find me where i stated that i have more information. In your huge block of text i find nothing worth discussing so i am glad you will not respond.

I will say again. I am not claiming Royce is without fault. The fact that i relate to him makes this a very interesting topic for me and makes me respond to anyone judging him but frankly i could care less what people think.

Your opinion is your own. However presenting it as fact without presenting facts is ridiculous.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 10:21 PM
I am not claiming he is innocent. I am reserving judgement which is what everyone should do. I am defending him because i myself have a mental disorder so know what it's like for people to label me because they do not understand my condition as people are doing with him.

I do not claim to have more information than anyone else nor am i posting my opinions as facts. A person claiming he "should suck it up he is getting millions" is frankly ignoring the crux of the issue and thinking of things only from their perspective.

You have no knowledge of what he has been instructed by his team and his psychologist to disclose to the media. He hesitated a lot in answering a few of the times which tells me he is trying to word things properly which tells me he is withholding information.

and again you do not know what would constitute as a solution because you do not know what he is asking for. You do not know which side is working harder towards a resolution and you do not know what is going on behind closed doors. You cannot say it is Royce that is not working towards a solution just because he is the source of the problem.

so why do you say he'l win in court?

tescu
01-17-2013, 10:24 PM
I have been a PSD reader for a pretty long time, however I seldom post because I really prefer just reading... I am posting today in response to Chill_Will_24 because this person is an emotional clown. I get it, I completely understand the points you are trying to make, but your points are hollow. You are allowing your raging emotions to cloud your decision making skills and you are being an a-hole to other people that oppose your views.

CraigInSanJose
01-17-2013, 10:24 PM
What i criticize is opinion stated as facts with ridiculous reasoning.

You posted your opinion on the matter with no other reasoning behind it that your claim that you have all this family that had conditions. However the fallacy in your argument is that even if we are to believe your sob story (you have my deepest condolences if true) you are putting a label on Royce's condition as if all mental disorders are on in the same. You do not know how extreme his panic attacks are and do not know how his OCD affects his treatments. OCD patients are very difficult to treat.

Furthermore the lack of evidence or reason in your opinion makes it seem that the only basis for anyone taking your opinion seriously is that you claim to have an assortment of family members that had conditions.

Any dumb*** can go on the internet and claim they are millionaires or muscular 6'4" men, or whatever. So that being the only shred of support in your argument makes it seem whole ridiculous.

So Royce White trolls the internet talking about his conditions you really know nothing about in regards to how they effect him, but you are trying to argue what has happened in my life?

You and I have the same understanding on what is going on with him; what the media has released. Everything else is pure speculation.

Are you Royce's doctor? Have you seen any of his medical papers? Do you know what his treatment is?

I didn't think so, yet you take his word as gold.

I do the same thing talking about my life which I know and have lived, yet I am a liar unless I pull out my family tree and obituaries to show you?

I had two cousins diagnosed (by doctors just like Royce's) who KILLED themselves because of the same things that effect him among others (OCD, anxiety, panic, bi-polar, the list goes on). One of them lived with my family for 3 1/2 years and I was around him everyday. Yet you say I don't know how severe his attacks are? I witnessed severe attacks first hand on a weekly or daily basis. How severe? I'm pretty sure it doesn't get more severe than death (note: he didn't kill himself in front of me, sadly enough it was in front of his wife)

What's funny is you are handling my argument just like you say the Rockets handled White: uninformed and jumping to conclusions without knowing a d*** thing about what you are talking about.

This isn't a sob story. I don't care for pity. That would go to my cousin's wife and kids he left behind. However, I have knowledge of living with people who were effected by the same illnesses that White is. Does that make me a doctor? Of course not, but I do understand what it is like to live with and be around people who are afflicted by these SPECIFIC diseases and the ultimate toll it can take on someone.

By the way, don't spout off like an idiot and then post "my deepest condolences if it's true" as if that justifies your ignorance on the matter. The fact that you question my family history is classless and rude. I'm aware that trolls are out on the internet but I didn't say a thing about your or your family, nor did I question your integrity. I expect the same courtesy whether we agree or disagree on this matter.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 10:26 PM
I am not claiming he is innocent. I am reserving judgement which is what everyone should do. I am defending him because i myself have a mental disorder so know what it's like for people to label me because they do not understand my condition as people are doing with him.

I do not claim to have more information than anyone else nor am i posting my opinions as facts. A person claiming he "should suck it up he is getting millions" is frankly ignoring the crux of the issue and thinking of things only from their perspective.

You have no knowledge of what he has been instructed by his team and his psychologist to disclose to the media. He hesitated a lot in answering a few of the times which tells me he is trying to word things properly which tells me he is withholding information.

and again you do not know what would constitute as a solution because you do not know what he is asking for. You do not know which side is working harder towards a resolution and you do not know what is going on behind closed doors. You cannot say it is Royce that is not working towards a solution just because he is the source of the problem.
Defending royce because you have a condition isnt a viable argument, your situations are soo different im sure that their probably is barely a link. This is the age we live in , everyone has a disorder everyone is on some sort of prescription pill to help calm the symptoms, noone wants to deal with anything, and the world doesnt wanna cure us, they wanna sell pills. I have had panic attacks to the point ive gone to the ER twice beleiving i was experiencing a heart attack, i go to my doc and she jacks me up on clozzies. This is not a solution in my mind. I still get anxious from time to time but i can work through it, everyones gotta find there happy place including roy, and if thats not in the nba so be it. I think he will end up without an nba job and without any team wanting to touch him with a ten foot pole as a result of this.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:27 PM
No thats not what people are mad of. What they are angry about is that he decided to sign a contract that pays him a large sum of money, all while knowing what he was expected to do when he signed said contract. He knew what the travel schedule would be like before he signed that contract and he did it anyway.

No one forced him to sign that deal but he did it and is now being rewarded for doing nothing. I get that he has a problem that is severe and difficult to live with. Thats not my problem or I believe most peoples problem. Its that he signed a deal that benefits him greatly and is not living up to his part of the deal.

If you know prior to signing that you wont be able to abide by the rules in place, then its easy, you dont sign the deal. So in fact it seems that he does care about money and is not a decent person.

Here we go again with this nonsense. Do people even read the threads? Guess you just picked a post out of context and responded huh?

Any $600 million company would do their homework on an employee before hiring. It's just smart business. You do not hire an employee to a muti million dollar contract, sign it, give it to him to sign, then hope for the best.

They signed it too and so did his agent. I do not deny that there might have been some miscommunications along the way.

However i tend to not buy the notion that the Rockets did not do their full homework on him before drafting him. They knew what they signed on for when they drafted him and signed his contract.

What i think happened is that they put a label on his illness and thought simple travel schedule modifications would suffice. In essence they rolled a die and hope for the best. Now they are using the media to wipe their hands clean of it but i tend to blame the employer before i blame the employee.

EDIT: Nobody forced them to draft him.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 10:28 PM
I have been a PSD reader for a pretty long time, however I seldom post because I really prefer just reading... I am posting today in response to Chill_Will_24 because this person is an emotional clown. I get it, I completely understand the points you are trying to make, but your points are hollow. You are allowing your raging emotions to cloud your decision making skills and you are being an a-hole to other people that oppose your views.

This Will, this was what i was trying to articulate when i said you are a man without substance

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:29 PM
Wow dude you sound like a ego maniac/douche. You sound so ignorant in presuming everyone is lying to create a more valid point, especially presuming someones lying about his claims they lost family members to mental disease.

There is nothing wrong with questioning the validity of claims made on the internet. I could care less what i seem to you sir.

ATX
01-17-2013, 10:29 PM
Defending royce because you have a condition isnt a viable argument, your situations are soo different im sure that their probably is barely a link. This is the age we live in , everyone has a disorder everyone is on some sort of prescription pill to help calm the symptoms, noone wants to deal with anything, and the world doesnt wanna cure us, they wanna sell pills. I have had panic attacks to the point ive gone to the ER twice beleiving i was experiencing a heart attack, i go to my doc and she jacks me up on clozzies. This is not a solution in my mind. I still get anxious from time to time but i can work through it, everyones gotta find there happy place including roy, and if thats not in the nba so be it. I think he will end up without an nba job and without any team wanting to touch him with a ten foot pole as a result of this.

Agree and also agree. No one will give him another chance after this.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:35 PM
and what issues are those since you know he'l win in court?

Here are the facts.

He was drafted by a team i.e the team felt the employer met the qualifications for the job and accepted responsibility in hiring him.

Factors that the employer knew before hiring the employee are now preventing the employee from doing his job in a safe manner

The team is fining him for performing job duties that are deemed by he and his psychologist to be unsafe to him and that again were known before the employee being hired.

The employee refuses to put in place protocols to ensure the safety of their employee because they deem his conditions to be (unrealistic? expensive? idk)

Not to mention the media has dragged his name through the mud. He has grounds imo

ATX
01-17-2013, 10:36 PM
I mean I sympathize about his condition and don't take that lightly, but not one bit about his situation and how he's leveraging his condition against his employer who took a huge chance on him, and is paying him a lot of cash to do nothing. They offered him the chance of a lifetime, and if he can't do it, then well hell he can't do it. Best for both parties to go their separate ways.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:38 PM
Well, what did he he expect when he made himself draft eligible? Did think he could have a long productive NBA career playing only home games and games close enough to get there by bus? Did he honestly think he could drive to every game?

What can they do? Can they legally sedate him before a plain ride, let him sleep on the plane, unload him off the plane and then wake him up? Until our country develops some super bullet train rail system that branches out through the entire country, that's all I can think of.

IDK but if i am hired by a employer that knows that i cannot walk then i would find it very discriminatory that they are refusing to pay my salary because i refuse to do jobs that require me to walk

The Rockets are a $600 million organization. If they are signing a multi million dollar contract for an employee it is only natural for the employee to assume that the employer is prepared to assume responsibility for the issues that he deals with which they knew when hiring him.

Just my opinion.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:42 PM
i honestly DGAF what your disorder is. if you know you cant fly on an airplane, then dont pursue a career that requires you to fly. im sorry, but for me, its as simple as that.

also, if im Houston and i make a multi-million dollar investment, i expect to get something out of it. just like when a company hires any one of us, they "invest", we will say, $50,000 for you to do your job. if you fail to do that, you simply get fired. Royce should be cut from the team, no pay, and have his opportunity for another team to idiotically offer this guy a contract that probably wont be fulfilled.

It has already been said that the issue is not flying anymore.

The burden of fact finding cannot be taken from the team. They wanted Royce. Royce was not projected to be drafted at all in the first round. Did they not think for a second that there was a reason a top 3 talent was falling to them at 16?

If you are a world class organization, you do not hire employees to multi million dollar contracts without knowing the risks in their entirety. It is just that simple.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:43 PM
Then WTF do you want the Rockets to do for this kid CW?? Do they need to hold his hand when he crosses the street, and lay rose petals at his feet every morning? Drive him to games in a luxurious bus made specifically for RW? Have his own personal locker room and a special seat right next to the coach? Maybe the city of Houston could close the HOV lanes just for him when he has to drive to practice? Perhaps the Rockets could fire McHale and hire his Mom to coach him up so he feels more at home? What exactly do you want the organization to do for him to make him feel "Safe"?

I do not want anything because i do not know the facts. For all i know Royce could be asking for things that are unrealistic and unfair to the team.

All i am arguing is that not enough information has been released to point at Royce as the villain simply because he is the source of the problem.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:44 PM
your a sad individual chill will, one of those people who has nothing of substance to say. As long as your right in your mind , you keep livin the dream papa

Papa? Da fuq?

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:48 PM
It was my opinion on what happened. I think the Rockets and White are both at fault for being ignorant to the situation they would face after draft day. I think White could have disclosed his need for special treatment and the Rockets could have obviously should have done their homework on the situation. Clearly at this point its obvious the Rockets aren't willing to bend over backwards for him so why wouldn't he have made the attempt to find a team that would work with him on his condition rather than attempt to normalize him? I feel like he is just looking for a podium to preach his disability. Good for him for having the balls to take on an NBA organization.

One thing doesn't make sense, simply a NBA team would ask him, would you have an issue flying to away game and if he said he couldn't do that than he wouldn't have been drafted that high. Clearly he had to have mislead the Rockets in some way to land

Agreed. This does not seem like a situation that you can simply blame anyone in particular. I think agent/team relations are pretty shifty as it is and for all we know the miscommunications came from the negotiations. It is safe to assume that the agent is not a psychologist and that Daryl Morey is not one either. Perhaps they labeled him as a "fear of flying" guy like everyone did with him and though a bus would solve everything

Maybe they failed to take his multiple issues seriously enough and maybe the agent was just money hungry and failed to present all facts. Who knows what really happend

Raidaz4Life
01-17-2013, 10:48 PM
Royce is an embarrassment to mental health awareness. As someone who suffers from an anxiety disorder I was fully behind him coming into the league and was hopeful that his condition could help inspire people but all he has done is used it as a publicity stunt and its quite disgusting.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 10:49 PM
This is really a moot point anyways. The nba should not and wont coddle royce white or any other athlete, soon he will not be an NBA player and we can stop wasting time on this. The only reason i even posted in here was to argue with Will after i read his opinions i couldnt hold back, your just oblivious to the real world. You must live in a bubble.

Worry about making a worthwhile, valid , real world argument and not what i address you as in my post haha.
you miss the point over and over and dont subscribe to any view but your own.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:52 PM
yep he wants them to accommodate all his wishes because of his mental illness lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRUS6QBiViQ thats when he gets drafted, in that video he mentions how the rockets didnt have to take him but they did. he talks about overcoming things yet he cant do it. an nba organization chooses you to play for them for millions of dollars when they could have easily passed which also means a lot less money and this is how you repay them? retire or play stop ****en crying, you're not unique if 20% of the population has the same disorder.

20% has the disorder yet none of them are the same. You failed to mention that. Panic attacks can be deadly. I hope you realize this. Just because a mother deals with anxiety and has a mild panic attack sometimes does not make here similar to an individual who feels like he is dying and cannot breathe

Please educate yourself on a topic before discussing

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:54 PM
I have been a PSD reader for a pretty long time, however I seldom post because I really prefer just reading... I am posting today in response to Chill_Will_24 because this person is an emotional clown. I get it, I completely understand the points you are trying to make, but your points are hollow. You are allowing your raging emotions to cloud your decision making skills and you are being an a-hole to other people that oppose your views.

What the hell? So the fact that you rarely post is somehow supposed to make people think your opinion is more relevant? Cmon dude

My opinions are hollow yet you fail to point out how. Interesting.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 10:57 PM
I would liken the risk of a panic attack causing death to that of being struck by lightning or being hit by a meteor.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 10:59 PM
So Royce White trolls the internet talking about his conditions you really know nothing about in regards to how they effect him, but you are trying to argue what has happened in my life?

You and I have the same understanding on what is going on with him; what the media has released. Everything else is pure speculation.

Are you Royce's doctor? Have you seen any of his medical papers? Do you know what his treatment is?

I didn't think so, yet you take his word as gold.

I do the same thing talking about my life which I know and have lived, yet I am a liar unless I pull out my family tree and obituaries to show you?

I had two cousins diagnosed (by doctors just like Royce's) who KILLED themselves because of the same things that effect him among others (OCD, anxiety, panic, bi-polar, the list goes on). One of them lived with my family for 3 1/2 years and I was around him everyday. Yet you say I don't know how severe his attacks are? I witnessed severe attacks first hand on a weekly or daily basis. How severe? I'm pretty sure it doesn't get more severe than death (note: he didn't kill himself in front of me, sadly enough it was in front of his wife)

What's funny is you are handling my argument just like you say the Rockets handled White: uninformed and jumping to conclusions without knowing a d*** thing about what you are talking about.

This isn't a sob story. I don't care for pity. That would go to my cousin's wife and kids he left behind. However, I have knowledge of living with people who were effected by the same illnesses that White is. Does that make me a doctor? Of course not, but I do understand what it is like to live with and be around people who are afflicted by these SPECIFIC diseases and the ultimate toll it can take on someone.

By the way, don't spout off like an idiot and then post "my deepest condolences if it's true" as if that justifies your ignorance on the matter. The fact that you question my family history is classless and rude. I'm aware that trolls are out on the internet but I didn't say a thing about your or your family, nor did I question your integrity. I expect the same courtesy whether we agree or disagree on this matter.

What Royce has been diagnosed with has been documented and followed and discussed by millions of people. Forgive me that i do not take random people's claims online as strongly.

Whether what you claim is true or not it does not give you any more relevance or importance in the discussion or make your opinion any more validated. That was all i was pointing out.

and like i said you have my condolences if your story is genuine. However i have met people on here that have made some pretty ridiculous claims in their quest to validate their argument and not look like idiots.

Much respect to you sir and my best wishes to you and your family. Truly.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:05 PM
Defending royce because you have a condition isnt a viable argument, your situations are soo different im sure that their probably is barely a link. This is the age we live in , everyone has a disorder everyone is on some sort of prescription pill to help calm the symptoms, noone wants to deal with anything, and the world doesnt wanna cure us, they wanna sell pills. I have had panic attacks to the point ive gone to the ER twice beleiving i was experiencing a heart attack, i go to my doc and she jacks me up on clozzies. This is not a solution in my mind. I still get anxious from time to time but i can work through it, everyones gotta find there happy place including roy, and if thats not in the nba so be it. I think he will end up without an nba job and without any team wanting to touch him with a ten foot pole as a result of this.

The average person does not go through the rigors of an NBA schedule. You cannot compare your own situation to that of a professional athlete when you do not know what his condition is.

and no that is not "how life is". The way life is, is if an employer hires an employee with a disability they made the decision to hire him and in so doing have a responsibility to adhere to the guidelines that have been discussed and instill some protocols for the proper safety of that employee. You decide during the interview process whether you want the employee and his baggage or not. You do not wait for the **** to hit the fan.

You do not see Walmart forcing handicapped greeters to unload the trucks and withhold their pay when they are unable.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:08 PM
Our privileged lives have led us to do some crazy things , to think people are killing themselves over panic attacks is pretty disheartening. Take a trip to a less privileged part of the world, do you think these people are worried about the things we do,and even if they do have mental issues, they are trying to survive first and foremost. The real world, nature is dog eat dog man and thats at the root of everything, the strong survive. i mean no disrespect to anyone that have lost family members but cmon these are first world problems.

ATX
01-17-2013, 11:09 PM
I just scoured the web in search of death related panic attacks and every medical site states that panic attacks do not cause death.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:10 PM
I mean I sympathize about his condition and don't take that lightly, but not one bit about his situation and how he's leveraging his condition against his employer who took a huge chance on him, and is paying him a lot of cash to do nothing. They offered him the chance of a lifetime, and if he can't do it, then well hell he can't do it. Best for both parties to go their separate ways.

Just because he is grateful for the opportunity does not mean he should do things he deems as unsafe. of course he is grateful! He was not even projected to go in the first round! Frankly i think the Rockets misjudged the situation and put a label on him (fear of flying) and now are surprised that gasp it's more than fear of flying that he deals with.

The opportunity of a lifetime? That makes it seem like the Rockets did not see $$$ when they saw him. There is no question that he was a top 3 talent in the draft. They felt it was worth the risk. They did not envision the negative publicity that would arise from this.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:11 PM
Royce is an embarrassment to mental health awareness. As someone who suffers from an anxiety disorder I was fully behind him coming into the league and was hopeful that his condition could help inspire people but all he has done is used it as a publicity stunt and its quite disgusting.

Your anxiety disorder allows you to read minds? That is amazing.

I love when people claim they have the same condition as him as if that gives them some more validity to ther opinion than anyone else. Everybody wants to put a label on it. It's this mentality that prevents people from realizing the difficulty of the situation. Not all disorders, not even when they are the same disorder, are the same.

Some people have heart racing and some people have heart failure. Some sewat and some drop on the floor and cannot breathe.

BleedingGreen9
01-17-2013, 11:12 PM
You do not see Walmart forcing handicapped greeters to unload the trucks and withhold their pay when they are unable.

if walmart hired some one that was handicapped and told them they were going to be greeters and then then said hey go unload this truck or your fired it would be wrong because when they probably didnt agree on doing physical labor. But RW signed a contract saying what he would do wich is play basketball

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 11:13 PM
Our privileged lives have led us to do some crazy things , to think people are killing themselves over panic attacks is pretty disheartening. Take a trip to a less privileged part of the world, do you think these people are worried about the things we do,and even if they do have mental issues, they are trying to survive first and foremost. The real world, nature is dog eat dog man and thats at the root of everything, the strong survive. i mean no disrespect to anyone that have lost family members but cmon these are first world problems.

its crazy to think this clown is refusing to play in the nba and get millions because he cant overcome panic attacks when there are people around the world that would kill to be in his position with the same disorder.

Sactown
01-17-2013, 11:14 PM
I am not claiming he is innocent. I am reserving judgement which is what everyone should do. I am defending him because i myself have a mental disorder so know what it's like for people to label me because they do not understand my condition as people are doing with him.

I do not claim to have more information than anyone else nor am i posting my opinions as facts. A person claiming he "should suck it up he is getting millions" is frankly ignoring the crux of the issue and thinking of things only from their perspective.

You have no knowledge of what he has been instructed by his team and his psychologist to disclose to the media. He hesitated a lot in answering a few of the times which tells me he is trying to word things properly which tells me he is withholding information.

and again you do not know what would constitute as a solution because you do not know what he is asking for. You do not know which side is working harder towards a resolution and you do not know what is going on behind closed doors. You cannot say it is Royce that is not working towards a solution just because he is the source of the problem.
Your problems are your own thus I could careless if you can't step on a bus, leave your house, or about to jump off a building, because I don't care for you. And because you have a mental issue, doesn't mean you need to defend his actions because you're both handicapped.. I might sound rude, but I'm speaking the truth.

2nd, you have no information yet you have no conceded once that perhaps this is all his fault, which in my first statement in said that I was not putting the sole blame on him, but it's hard to give him any credit, when the Houston Rockets aren't on twitter bashing him and saying he's the one who needs to come forward and not us.. And it's pretty obvious at this point that only one party (Whites) is pointing fingers...

And you're absolutely right, and why is that? Oh yes, because White has not mentioned one thing that the Houston Rockets have done wrong, put still manages to point fingers?? Oh yes and I did a sense of holding back, but what he was holding back was probably left him a bad position, or he would of said it!

AND as I've said, Houston has not gone public which leads me to believe they're trying to work things out with him, or they would have just released him and ended this, only one side seems to want him to be on the court, and that's Houston and not White. One side has remained silent and trying to move forward, and yet again that's not white, or he'd be off of the squad..

Kucka
01-17-2013, 11:16 PM
Your anxiety disorders allows you to read minds? That is amazing.

I think I get it. It all makes sense now. You must be Royce White. That's the only reason you would go and attempt to bash almost everyone that expresses their disapproval on the situation.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:17 PM
The average person does not go through the rigors of an NBA schedule. You cannot compare your own situation to that of a professional athlete when you do not know what his condition is.

and no that is not "how life is". The way life is, is if an employer hires an employee with a disability they made the decision to hire him and in so doing have a responsibility to adhere to the guidelines that have been discussed and instill some protocols for the proper safety of that employee. You decide during the interview process whether you want the employee and his baggage or not. You do not wait for the **** to hit the fan.

You do not see Walmart forcing handicapped greeters to unload the trucks and withhold their pay when they are unable.
Royce isnt being asked to sell popcorn in the stands or sweep the floor, hes being asked to play basketball. just as a greeter is paid to greet people. and if they couldnt do the job they would be sent home on medical leave or be sent to a more appropriate situation just like they tried to do by sending royce to the d league. Explain to me what the rockets and NBA are suppose to do, what is acceptable, where do we draw the line. Does my relatively mild experiences with panic attacks warrant me to not have to go to work because i didnt get my way, how do you judge the severity of his issues, you cant man, there is no way to govern this.Ten different doctors could have ten different opinions in this case. You are being unrealistic. We cant please everyone and cater to anyone that doesnt like when we dont

ATX
01-17-2013, 11:18 PM
Just because he is grateful for the opportunity does not mean he should do things he deems as unsafe. of course he is grateful! He was not even projected to go in the first round! Frankly i think the Rockets misjudged the situation and put a label on him (fear of flying) and now are surprised that gasp it's more than fear of flying that he deals with.

The opportunity of a lifetime? That makes it seem like the Rockets did not see $$$ when they saw him. There is no question that he was a top 3 talent in the draft. They felt it was worth the risk. They did not envision the negative publicity that would arise from this.

What does this even mean? What's unsafe? It's life, his life. He chose to sign that contract, and if he can't live up to the "Rigors" of being an NBA player and all the lavish rewards that come with that I might add, then he needs to step aside and let that franchise move forward. Again though, what's so unsafe about being a Houston Rocket? I think HTown needs to just pay his contract and cut ties asap. Best for the organization, and best for Royce.

ATX
01-17-2013, 11:20 PM
Your problems are your own thus I could careless if you can't step on a bus, leave your house, or about to jump off a building, because I don't care for you. And because you have a mental issue, doesn't mean you need to defend his actions because you're both handicapped.. I might sound rude, but I'm speaking the truth.

2nd, you have no information yet you have no conceded once that perhaps this is all his fault, which in my first statement in said that I was not putting the sole blame on him, but it's hard to give him any credit, when the Houston Rockets aren't on twitter bashing him and saying he's the one who needs to come forward and not us.. And it's pretty obvious at this point that only one party (Whites) is pointing fingers...

And you're absolutely right, and why is that? Oh yes, because White has not mentioned one thing that the Houston Rockets have done wrong, put still manages to point fingers?? Oh yes and I did a sense of holding back, but what he was holding back was probably left him a bad position, or he would of said it!

AND as I've said, Houston has not gone public which leads me to believe they're trying to work things out with him, or they would have just released him and ended this, only one side seems to want him to be on the court, and that's Houston and not White. One side has remained silent and trying to move forward, and yet again that's not white, or he'd be off of the squad..

:clap:

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:21 PM
This is really a moot point anyways. The nba should not and wont coddle royce white or any other athlete, soon he will not be an NBA player and we can stop wasting time on this. The only reason i even posted in here was to argue with Will after i read his opinions i couldnt hold back, your just oblivious to the real world. You must live in a bubble.

Worry about making a worthwhile, valid , real world argument and not what i address you as in my post haha.
you miss the point over and over and dont subscribe to any view but your own.

Huh?

You know absolutely nothing about my life and it is my education and tendency to make up my own mind as opposed to following what the media says like a sheep, that makes me able to comprehend the real life complexity of the situation.

The fact that you view life in a "do not rock the boat, go with the flow" mentality shows that it is not i that has the flawed view of life. keep in mind that it was only the people that want against the grain and were not afraid to make waves in the world and refused to accept "thats just the way life is", it was only those people that made a difference in the world. I should not have to give names.

Chastise this guy all you want for fighting for what he believes in and refusing to allow people to make him into a commodity that should work even if he feels unsafe but frankly that is just plain ignorant.

That is the mentality of people that have no future or place in the world. People pissed off that they work as waiters at the Cheese Cake Factory at 39ys old

KingPosey
01-17-2013, 11:21 PM
I still go back to the very simple premise that no one made him become a basketball player and sign a contract where one of his very main obligations was to travel and fly.

He very much went out of his way before the draft to show this shouldn deter teams from drafting him and he could handle the NBA. I may not understand what a panic attack feels like but I have common sense, he didn't need to sign a contract to play in the NBA to become righteous light for those with a disability.

He could have done that on so many other levels. This is the NBA, this is celebrity, this is millions of dollars to play a game. It's not going to change and really it shouldn't if a guy can't travel, IE he can't get to work.

I couldn't apply for a job, get hired and then refuse to go to work because I have an anxiety disorder that makes me afraid to be on the roads, and then blame mywork for not doing enough for me.

Some jobs just have a very specific requirement set of skills, that just don't make sense to compromise. A guy I. A wheelchair isn't going to be a fireman, a guy with a mental issue is t going to be a cop with a gun. And a guy that can't mentally handle flying, stressful situations, media, etc, just isn't capable of contributing in the capacity that a contract worth millions calls for.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 11:21 PM
Just because he is grateful for the opportunity does not mean he should do things he deems as unsafe. of course he is grateful! He was not even projected to go in the first round! Frankly i think the Rockets misjudged the situation and put a label on him (fear of flying) and now are surprised that gasp it's more than fear of flying that he deals with.

The opportunity of a lifetime? That makes it seem like the Rockets did not see $$$ when they saw him. There is no question that he was a top 3 talent in the draft. They felt it was worth the risk. They did not envision the negative publicity that would arise from this.

its all in his mind, flying isnt unsafe but a lot of people are afraid of it and yet do it. he must know if an nba plane goes down ( when's the last time btw?) its not gonna be just him that dies, everyone dies. everyone realizes that and continues to fly, but not royce.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:22 PM
I would liken the risk of a panic attack causing death to that of being struck by lightning or being hit by a meteor.

Which is why i consider your opinion to be ridiculous. Don't you understand that it does not matter what you think. After hours arguing do you not get it?

It is about what you think or feel. It is what White feels when he gets a panic attack. If the man feels unsafe then it means his panic attacks are of the extreme kind. If you think he is being dishonest about the intensity of his panic attacks than what you are inferring is that he is lying and that in itself is nothing more than your opinion which at this point is hard to even respect.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:24 PM
I just scoured the web in search of death related panic attacks and every medical site states that panic attacks do not cause death.

Thats because it doesnt happen haha , panic attack is the release of hormones, not malfunction of internal organs. I might tend to agree that someone may commit suicide because they beleive they have an issue that cant be resolved, but people are messed up for any number of reasons, but as far as legitimate health threatening thing, it isnt

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 11:25 PM
I still go back to the very simple premise that no one made him become a basketball player and sign a contract where one of his very main obligations was to travel and fly.

He very much went out of his way before the draft to show this shouldn deter teams from drafting him and he could handle the NBA. I may not understand what a panic attack feels like but I have common sense, he didn't need to sign a contract to play in the NBA to become righteous light for those with a disability.

He could have done that on so many other levels. This is the NBA, this is celebrity, this is millions of dollars to play a game. It's not going to change and really it shouldn't if a guy can't travel, IE he can't get to work.

I couldn't apply for a job, get hired and then refuse to go to work because I have an anxiety disorder that makes me afraid to be on the roads, and then blame my work for my doing enough for me.

good post. like you said he has a chance to make millions, he's so lucky he's talented enough to be even in that spot. otherwise he'd be ****'d in the real world.

ATX
01-17-2013, 11:27 PM
Huh?

You know absolutely nothing about my life and it is my education and tendency to make up my own mind as opposed to following what the media says like a sheep, that makes me able to comprehend the real life complexity of the situation.

The fact that you view life in a "do not rock the boat, go with the flow" mentality shows that it is not i that has the flawed view of life. keep in mind that it was only the people that want against the grain and were not afraid to make waves in the world and refused to accept "thats just the way life is", it was only those people that made a difference in the world. I should not have to give names.

Chastise this guy all you want for fighting for what he believes in and refusing to allow people to make him into a commodity that should work even if he feels unsafe but frankly that is just plain ignorant.

That is the mentality of people that have no future or place in the world. People pissed off that they work as waiters at the Cheese Cake Factory at 39ys old

There it is again. What is "Unsafe" about his job? What is so unsafe that the Rockets need to change "XY&Z"to cater to his needs, and what needs are these?

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:29 PM
I just scoured the web in search of death related panic attacks and every medical site states that panic attacks do not cause death.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/extreme-fear/201004/yes-fear-can-kill-you

Panic attacks in an of themselves are very uncomfortable and can prevent us from doing things normally but it is not the panic attacks that can kill you.

Also just because something is not always fatal does not change the fact that a person may feel unsafe while doing things

ATX
01-17-2013, 11:29 PM
If he feels "Unsafe" as a Rocket, he'll surely feel unsafe as an employee anywhere then.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:31 PM
if walmart hired some one that was handicapped and told them they were going to be greeters and then then said hey go unload this truck or your fired it would be wrong because when they probably didnt agree on doing physical labor. But RW signed a contract saying what he would do wich is play basketball

It's not so cut and dry. Playing basketball in an of itself is not an issue. He has been doing it his whole life. You do not know why he is refusing to play and what terms he has been asking to be met in order for him to play. Terms which may or may not have been discussed prior to him signing the deal

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:34 PM
Huh?

You know absolutely nothing about my life and it is my education and tendency to make up my own mind as opposed to following what the media says like a sheep, that makes me able to comprehend the real life complexity of the situation.

The fact that you view life in a "do not rock the boat, go with the flow" mentality shows that it is not i that has the flawed view of life. keep in mind that it was only the people that want against the grain and were not afraid to make waves in the world and refused to accept "thats just the way life is", it was only those people that made a difference in the world. I should not have to give names.

Chastise this guy all you want for fighting for what he believes in and refusing to allow people to make him into a commodity that should work even if he feels unsafe but frankly that is just plain ignorant.

That is the mentality of people that have no future or place in the world. People pissed off that they work as waiters at the Cheese Cake Factory at 39ys old

Just as you claim i dont know you, you do not know me will. If anything i rock the boat buddy, , but ppl with disorders continue to hide behind their medications and not addressing their issues, you my friend are the sheep. Your the guy that believes the world/your govvy cares about you as a person you are the one that just goes along with whatever your doctor tells you. Medical proffesional does not equate to making decisions i dont approve of for myself.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:34 PM
its crazy to think this clown is refusing to play in the nba and get millions because he cant overcome panic attacks when there are people around the world that would kill to be in his position with the same disorder.

Not all disorders are the same even the ones that are diagnosed similarly and just because certain broke *** people hate their boring mediocre lives and put high value on money does not mean he should let go of his morals and ignore his virtues. The man wants to be able to play basketball safely.

That is all that is known. Whether his terms are unrealistic or whether the Rockets are just failing to follow through on their end of the bargain is what we do not know

Cromedome
01-17-2013, 11:40 PM
This guy needs to stop talking and either play NBA basketball or start an internet blog.


It's Jan 2013 and this guy is talking in circles now.

Kucka
01-17-2013, 11:41 PM
Fact: Royce White pursued an NBA career
Fact: An NBA career involves frequently traveling
Fact: Royce White signed a contact to become an NBA player.

So with these facts White pursued a career in which he knew his condition would inhibit him from doing his job. Now White is protesting because it's not fair to him? It's not fair to have known the conditions that were involved with having an NBA career? So the NBA should conform to him when he knew full well what is expected of an NBA player?

This guy is sabotaging anyone else in the NBA or anyone pursuing an NBA career from publicly announcing they have a mental disorder.

tnewkirk
01-17-2013, 11:42 PM
Fact: Royce White pursued an NBA career
Fact: An NBA career involves frequently traveling
Fact: Royce White signed a contact to become an NBA player.

So with these facts White pursued a career in which he knew his condition would inhibit him from doing his job. Now White is protesting because it's not fair to him? It's not fair to have known the conditions that were involved with having an NBA career? So the NBA should conform to him when he knew full well what is expected of an NBA player?

This guy is sabotaging anyone else in the NBA or anyone pursuing an NBA career from public announcing they have a mental disorder.

take them court lol.

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:43 PM
Anyways this is not an issue in sports any longer, ive turned a corner i dont want to get into in regards to this conversation , mostly cuz its bed time

Will i respect your passion, but not your opinions. There are harder questions at the heart of this that your not addressing. But i love to argue and youve made a hell of an entertaining couple hours for me, very thought provoking that some people do think the way you do. If you present some kind of solution or reason of how it could possibly work without massive implications in the future im all ears but i havent heard anything from you yet that warrants me to consider your position

Kucka
01-17-2013, 11:44 PM
Mr. Chill Will refuses any opinions on the subject. So I clearly stated some facts regarding this issue. No BS involved. How do you possibly counter that argument. Please show me what I am missing?

SeekTheTruth
01-17-2013, 11:48 PM
Mr. Chill Will refuses any opinions on the subject. So I clearly stated some facts regarding this issue. No BS involved. How do you possibly counter that argument. Please show me what I am missing?

He cant he conveniently ignores the parts that dont back his argument which i still dont now what that is. anyways later guys

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:50 PM
Your problems are your own thus I could careless if you can't step on a bus, leave your house, or about to jump off a building, because I don't care for you. And because you have a mental issue, doesn't mean you need to defend his actions because you're both handicapped.. I might sound rude, but I'm speaking the truth.

2nd, you have no information yet you have no conceded once that perhaps this is all his fault, which in my first statement in said that I was not putting the sole blame on him, but it's hard to give him any credit, when the Houston Rockets aren't on twitter bashing him and saying he's the one who needs to come forward and not us.. And it's pretty obvious at this point that only one party (Whites) is pointing fingers...

And you're absolutely right, and why is that? Oh yes, because White has not mentioned one thing that the Houston Rockets have done wrong, put still manages to point fingers?? Oh yes and I did a sense of holding back, but what he was holding back was probably left him a bad position, or he would of said it!

AND as I've said, Houston has not gone public which leads me to believe they're trying to work things out with him, or they would have just released him and ended this, only one side seems to want him to be on the court, and that's Houston and not White. One side has remained silent and trying to move forward, and yet again that's not white, or he'd be off of the squad..

It is not rude and i understand the sentiment. It does not make you any more correct. What actions? What is it that he has done that warrants such hate? That is what is hilarious to me?

Nobody can point to anything his has done wrong without reaching the fallacy or their own perceptions. What you consider unsafe and what you consider an unsafe work environment is completely different than what he does. Just because some moron is willing to put himself at risk for money does not mean he should as well. It is a ridiculous fallacy.

Furthermore i never claimed i have fear of anything or that my condition is similar to his. Please read. My condition is very different from his. What i said was that i empathize with his feeling of people labeling him and thinking what they would do is what he should do.

I also already said more than once that i have no more information than anyone. I just find it comical that people are so fat to blame the player just because that is usually the narrative. You have no more info to prove it is his fault than i have that it is not his fault.

All you have is an opinion which is that many people like you would do anything to escape their mediocre lives and have a chance at being millionaires like he does, so he should consider himself lucky. That is a fallacy and not all people think in these ridiculous terms. Do not be mad at a person for not doing what you wish you could. Some people have different values and virtues.

Secondly the fact the he does not say things to you does not mean there is not more information. Confidentiality issues prevent his psychologists from speaking about his condition and you do not know what his agent has instructed him to say and not say. Fans need to accept that we are just fans and cannot know all that we wish we could know. Do not be pissed off about it. Just accept it. You cannot judge someone based on what is not said.

Furthermore the media has been dragging his name through the mud. He has a right to come out and straighten **** out. Of course the team will not come out and blame him. Teams do not do that. They manipulate the media to support the narrative. Players never come out of these situations looking good. Ever.

No matter what happens here or what the facts are Royce looks worse and worse by the day. The fact that i do not follow what the media feeds me like a sheep does not make me wrong.

I am ignorant of the situation just like you. I am presenting my views on why he should not be judged until we know the facts. Opinions which we derive from out preconceived notions based on the perceptions we have from what the media gives us, are NOT facts.

Thank you for presenting your opinion in a concise respectful manner and providing the reasoning behind your opinion.

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:52 PM
I think I get it. It all makes sense now. You must be Royce White. That's the only reason you would go and attempt to bash almost everyone that expresses their disapproval on the situation.

Brilliant!

Chill_Will_24
01-17-2013, 11:53 PM
Royce isnt being asked to sell popcorn in the stands or sweep the floor, hes being asked to play basketball. just as a greeter is paid to greet people. and if they couldnt do the job they would be sent home on medical leave or be sent to a more appropriate situation just like they tried to do by sending royce to the d league. Explain to me what the rockets and NBA are suppose to do, what is acceptable, where do we draw the line. Does my relatively mild experiences with panic attacks warrant me to not have to go to work because i didnt get my way, how do you judge the severity of his issues, you cant man, there is no way to govern this.Ten different doctors could have ten different opinions in this case. You are being unrealistic. We cant please everyone and cater to anyone that doesnt like when we dont

Already addressed this. Please read. It's too much work to repeat myself when i am debating with so many people

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:03 AM
What does this even mean? What's unsafe? It's life, his life. He chose to sign that contract, and if he can't live up to the "Rigors" of being an NBA player and all the lavish rewards that come with that I might add, then he needs to step aside and let that franchise move forward. Again though, what's so unsafe about being a Houston Rocket? I think HTown needs to just pay his contract and cut ties asap. Best for the organization, and best for Royce.

You do not seem to understand. What is unsafe to you is not the same as to him. I do not understand why people cannot see this. It's the problem with the entire thread.

People are so caught up in their own lives and experiences that they refuse to accept that his mental disorder limits him in ways it does not do to us.

When you combine severe anxiety with OCD.. whew.. that is tough. Just because you would put yourself through risk (panic attacks) for money does not mean he should.

Also it goes both ways. He signed the contract and so did the team and so did his agent. I tend to believe that a 600 million dollar organization would be more informed before they hired an employee to a multi million dollar deal. That is just logic.

Sure you could blame the employee but it is much more logical to put that burden on the team. They wanted to take the risk and now are reaping the rewards. He was a top 3 talent falling to them at 16. They should have done their homework diligently to ensure they knew what they were getting.

If they put a label on him and though a bus would solve the issue then they are idiots and never tried to fully comprehend his issues.

Also anyone saying he should not be a basketball player is being ridiculous. He has the body the talent and the skills to do the job and proper protocols and actions to help him would be enough to get him, on the court. You do not tell a guy with a prosthetic arm that he should not pursue his dream of becoming a surgeon because he would need special treatment if he has all the skills and aptitudes for the job. That is discriminatory.

The Rockets wanted him. Apparently they signed the contract assuming it was a much simpler fix than it really is.

Tmath
01-18-2013, 12:05 AM
He should find another job, because with his condition, he isn't physically/mentally fit to play in the league.

Tmath
01-18-2013, 12:06 AM
Rockets should of done more homework on the guy before drafting him.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:06 AM
If he feels "Unsafe" as a Rocket, he'll surely feel unsafe as an employee anywhere then.

Not necessarily. His college had proper protocols in place. They have to since not all their students are athletes. Most of the top companies in the world have protocols in place to ensure the safety of their employees. Some go the extra mile.

I see no season why the NBA cannot do this as well. It is because players are commodities to the NBA. They have no protocols in place for these issues. They hire a team psychologist and hope for the best

Kucka
01-18-2013, 12:09 AM
I think he has the physical tools to be an exceptional player. It's this whole scenario regarding his anxiety disorder that is making his transition from college to the NBA nearly impossible.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:13 AM
Just as you claim i dont know you, you do not know me will. If anything i rock the boat buddy, , but ppl with disorders continue to hide behind their medications and not addressing their issues, you my friend are the sheep. Your the guy that believes the world/your govvy cares about you as a person you are the one that just goes along with whatever your doctor tells you. Medical proffesional does not equate to making decisions i dont approve of for myself.

What? You seem to be a confused individual. You claim that he should accept that life is unfair and just go with it and yet you are the type that "rocks the boat" and i am a sheep? Interesting.

Some of the best people that ever lived were not afraid to rock the boat.

If out of all this end up some form of lawsuit and the NBA is forced to put in place more protocols for players with mental disabilities and it turns out Royce helped make all this happen then it will all be worth it and all this hate he is getting will be worth it.

Like i said. I do not know that he is not at fault. I also do not know that the Rockets are not at fault. I have no apportioned blame or tried to. I gave my objective opinion on the matter and debate with anyone who is content with blaming him without knowing the facts. I am not a fan of him and did not know who he was before all this.

If it comes out that the guy simply wants to start for the Rockets as his condition and only play specific games or ridiculous things like that i will have no problem saying wow what a douche. However nothing of the sort has come out and nobody knows **** about the issue

ROY 2 MVP Braun
01-18-2013, 12:13 AM
Why did he sign the contract? i agree with chill will that he should not be judged as a person because we dont know what triggers his fears! I also agree with everyones opinion on he knew what he was getting into, but my question is why did he sign the contract and take the money if he knew that he was not mentally able to do what is expected of him? I would think the team and agent would agree to wait and get everything figured out for him to come in play and "feel safe". There is no denying this kid has tons of talent he's a 6'8 f that can do everything ala a poor mans lebron possibly but i think the team and royces' camp could have not drawn so much conversation n speculation about this and the topic at hand!

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:15 AM
Fact: Royce White pursued an NBA career
Fact: An NBA career involves frequently traveling
Fact: Royce White signed a contact to become an NBA player.

So with these facts White pursued a career in which he knew his condition would inhibit him from doing his job. Now White is protesting because it's not fair to him? It's not fair to have known the conditions that were involved with having an NBA career? So the NBA should conform to him when he knew full well what is expected of an NBA player?

This guy is sabotaging anyone else in the NBA or anyone pursuing an NBA career from publicly announcing they have a mental disorder.

Fact he was drafted by the Rockets with them knowing his issues

Fact the Rockets signed his contract as well

Fact White is not questioning or complaining about his fines

Fact the team psychologist fully supports Royce

Fact nobody knows what Royce is asking of the Rockets and it has not been made public.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:16 AM
Anyways this is not an issue in sports any longer, ive turned a corner i dont want to get into in regards to this conversation , mostly cuz its bed time

Will i respect your passion, but not your opinions. There are harder questions at the heart of this that your not addressing. But i love to argue and youve made a hell of an entertaining couple hours for me, very thought provoking that some people do think the way you do. If you present some kind of solution or reason of how it could possibly work without massive implications in the future im all ears but i havent heard anything from you yet that warrants me to consider your position

Ditto. It was fun for me as well. Have a good night man

ROY 2 MVP Braun
01-18-2013, 12:17 AM
Also didnt he have to deal with alot of this in college what did they do to help him and why cant the rockets just do the same?

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:17 AM
Mr. Chill Will refuses any opinions on the subject. So I clearly stated some facts regarding this issue. No BS involved. How do you possibly counter that argument. Please show me what I am missing?

It's hard to reply with a dozen people especially when i like to make my arguments concise and at least coherent.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:18 AM
He cant he conveniently ignores the parts that dont back his argument which i still dont now what that is. anyways later guys

I have addressed every single thing that people have brought up. We are going in circles.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:20 AM
Rockets should of done more homework on the guy before drafting him.

One would hope that this be the case in any work opportunity for a potential employee. It would be scary to think that a $600 million organization does not do proper research before handing out a milti million dollar contract. That is just smart business imo

MR.TRIPDUB
01-18-2013, 12:21 AM
What protocols does he want enforced? Does it change the landscape of the nba?
All i hear is a bunch of whining from royce and a bunch of politically correct statements from the rockets. I dont know who to believe.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:25 AM
Why did he sign the contract? i agree with chill will that he should not be judged as a person because we dont know what triggers his fears! I also agree with everyones opinion on he knew what he was getting into, but my question is why did he sign the contract and take the money if he knew that he was not mentally able to do what is expected of him? I would think the team and agent would agree to wait and get everything figured out for him to come in play and "feel safe". There is no denying this kid has tons of talent he's a 6'8 f that can do everything ala a poor mans lebron possibly but i think the team and royces' camp could have not drawn so much conversation n speculation about this and the topic at hand!

Wish we knew what it is that the Rockets are not doing that is preventing him from playing. I would hate to think he is causing all this drama just for attention.

There are missing bits of information here. Anyway you slice it when there is so much money involved any smart organization would do proper research before hiring an employee. It's just logical. I cannot believe that the Rockets did not know the full extent of his ailments. They cannot be that stupid. they had to have known everything. If they did i find it troubling that all this negative rep is being directed at White when it was the Rockets that drafted him

He was not even projected to be drafted in the first round on draft night. I feel the Rockets just rolled the dice and hoped for the best with him and it backfired wildly

ghettosean
01-18-2013, 12:26 AM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Great post!

JasonJohnHorn
01-18-2013, 12:28 AM
I am curious to know more about the situation, but I understand how these sort of things can be frustrating. I do appreciate that he isn't blaming the Rockets and he isn't being a diva about things. You can tell that he wants things to work. They just aren't. Hopefully they do.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:28 AM
Also didnt he have to deal with alot of this in college what did they do to help him and why cant the rockets just do the same?

Well big name universities have proper protocols in place for students with mental disabilities. It was much different for him there.

Which is another reason that i wish to know everything that is going on. There is something off. More than what the media has reported.

It's strange.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:31 AM
What protocols does he want enforced? Does it change the landscape of the nba?
All i hear is a bunch of whining from royce and a bunch of politically correct statements from the rockets. I dont know who to believe.

Exactly! Which is why i wish people would reserve judgement on this guy.

It could very well be his fault or it could very well be the Rockets unwilling to spend the necessary money to put in the protocols that his psychologist is asking for.

The telling thing to me is that his original psychologist had some issues with the Rockets and they forced him to go to their team psychologist and now the team psychologist is fully behing Royce.

This is the telling part to me.

KingPosey
01-18-2013, 12:37 AM
Concise? You have been writing novels Will.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:42 AM
Concise? You have been writing novels Will.

Sorry about that. I type pretty fast so it's not the same level of effort to me as it is to some others.

I just like to make sure my posts are no just some unreadable blocks of text lol I hate when people do that

KingPosey
01-18-2013, 12:43 AM
Your anxiety disorder allows you to read minds? That is amazing.

I love when people claim they have the same condition as him as if that gives them some more validity to ther opinion than anyone else. Everybody wants to put a label on it. It's this mentality that prevents people from realizing the difficulty of the situation. Not all disorders, not even when they are the same disorder, are the same.

Some people have heart racing and some people have heart failure. Some sewat and some drop on the floor and cannot breathe.
What's annoying me is how you keep telling everyone else they can't understand how he feels, but you are laying it out thick what he goes through and the pure anguish he has. You can't tell everyone else they can't speak on it if you can. I applaud you discussing your own hardships but it doesn't make you qualified to speak on it and tell others they can't.

Kucka
01-18-2013, 12:50 AM
Fact he was drafted by the Rockets with them knowing his issues

Fact the Rockets signed his contract as well

Fact White is not questioning or complaining about his fines

Fact the team psychologist fully supports Royce

Fact nobody knows what Royce is asking of the Rockets and it has not been made public.


I'm trying to argue Royce White's understanding on what is expected from an NBA player, and the fact that he knew what he was doing when he signed the contract. Nothing you've told me has given me any understanding as to why Royce thought it was ok to pursue an NBA career when he knew the conditions of being an NBA player would clash with his disorder. Then to use that disorder as a tool to leverage demands for his own benefit.

At which point is it ok to enter into a contract where you agree to all of the conditions then disregard them and claim you're being singled out?

Missing56&33
01-18-2013, 12:56 AM
Why not allow him to play home games and drive to in state away game until he gets the proper treatment for this illness?

Raidaz4Life
01-18-2013, 01:59 AM
Your anxiety disorder allows you to read minds? That is amazing.

I love when people claim they have the same condition as him as if that gives them some more validity to ther opinion than anyone else. Everybody wants to put a label on it. It's this mentality that prevents people from realizing the difficulty of the situation. Not all disorders, not even when they are the same disorder, are the same.

Some people have heart racing and some people have heart failure. Some sewat and some drop on the floor and cannot breathe.
Since I actually have a slight perspective unlike some people here speaking on behalf of him, I can say that if you have a disorder like that it is freaking embarrassing. One of the worst parts about it is having to tell people you can't do things that they think are easy... that everyone thinks are really easy and you can't and can't really explain why. You don't go flaunting it around waiting for everyone to throw their pity at you. That is why I'm so pissed. If he were truly sincere about his condition I guaran-damn-tee he would be keeping this quiet and trying to work something out with the Rocket's. This isn't the Rocket's problem its his. They can cut ties without the blink of an eye and it wouldn't faze them. You can't say the same for White. I have yet to hear him talk about what HE can be doing to deal with this. His focus needs to be on himself and not other people. He owes them for giving him the opportunity, not vice versa. I actually have made HUGE strides in my disorder by taking accountability, Royce's worst enemy is people like you who continually make excuses for him so he doesn't have to learn to deal with it.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 02:19 AM
What's annoying me is how you keep telling everyone else they can't understand how he feels, but you are laying it out thick what he goes through and the pure anguish he has. You can't tell everyone else they can't speak on it if you can. I applaud you discussing your own hardships but it doesn't make you qualified to speak on it and tell others they can't.

Never said i am qualifies. Nobody can speak on how bad he has it. It is much easier for me to aassume he is telling the truth about how intense his panic attacks are as opposed to thinking is making it up and lying to get attention. It's all opinion and which side you fall on

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 02:23 AM
I'm trying to argue Royce White's understanding on what is expected from an NBA player, and the fact that he knew what he was doing when he signed the contract. Nothing you've told me has given me any understanding as to why Royce thought it was ok to pursue an NBA career when he knew the conditions of being an NBA player would clash with his disorder. Then to use that disorder as a tool to leverage demands for his own benefit.

At which point is it ok to enter into a contract where you agree to all of the conditions then disregard them and claim you're being singled out?

The understanding he had going in was his fear of flying would be a problem. He and his agent as well as the team felt that it was something they could get over and they have. The issue is no longer about just flying and until you know what it is that is making him feel unsafe and what he is deeming unfair expectations you cannot judge him

if it comes out that indeed it was an issue with him not wanting to play for the d league or him wanting to start on the Rockets or whatever then you can say he is a douche and i will agree

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 02:27 AM
Since I actually have a slight perspective unlike some people here speaking on behalf of him, I can say that if you have a disorder like that it is freaking embarrassing. One of the worst parts about it is having to tell people you can't do things that they think are easy... that everyone thinks are really easy and you can't and can't really explain why. You don't go flaunting it around waiting for everyone to throw their pity at you. That is why I'm so pissed. If he were truly sincere about his condition I guaran-damn-tee he would be keeping this quiet and trying to work something out with the Rocket's. This isn't the Rocket's problem its his. They can cut ties without the blink of an eye and it wouldn't faze them. You can't say the same for White. I have yet to hear him talk about what HE can be doing to deal with this. His focus needs to be on himself and not other people. He owes them for giving him the opportunity, not vice versa. I actually have made HUGE strides in my disorder by taking accountability, Royce's worst enemy is people like you who continually make excuses for him so he doesn't have to learn to deal with it.

Fair. It seems you have a fair understanding of what it is like.

However you do not know the facts nor do i. Labeling him and judging him is unfair. You do not know what he is allowed to tell the media and what it is that he is asking for. and he IS keeping quiet. Except for his rants when people write unsubstantiated reports and people release wrongful information he does not accuse the Rockets of anything and has admitted that even on another team he would probably have the same issues. He is not seeking a trade.

I think the best course of action is for the Rockets to cut ties. Void his contract. If another team wishes to take the risk then hopefully they will do their homework this time so that is is clear what the terms are before the contract is signed

knicks=love
01-18-2013, 02:28 AM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.

:clap:

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 02:32 AM
and you are a freaking idiot. There. See? Anyone can throw their opinions around like jackasses . What facts do you have to prove he wants pity? What has he asked for that is so otherworldly? You do not know ****.

Moreover the CBA does not have anything to do with this. His contract and the money he was getting was not the issue. The contract does not specify things about travel schedules, promotional events, mandatory assignments, and whatever else teams do with players that we do not know.

You do not know what he is asking for. Until you know what it is that he asked of the Rockets you cannot properly analyze a thing.

For all you know this is the fault of the Rockets for failing to research the situation and doing their homework on what exactly needed to be done for Royce. You would think that in drafting him, the Rockets would have met with his doctors and taken their time in deciding whether they wanted him.

Royce is on record as saying he did not think he would even be drafted. Seems to me like the Rockets did what all the teams do; treat the players as commodities and took a "calculated risk" without realizing that they are not in a casino playing blackjack and are deciding on the future of a human being. If they had done their homework maybe this would not be happening.

yes it is

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/01/rockets-suspend-royce-white-one-week-after-he-refused-d-league-assignment/


But the impasse is more complicated than that. According to a person with knowledge of the talks between White and the team, White has refused to play or practice until the Rockets agree in writing to an addendum to his contract that he has written. That kind of addition to a player contract would conflict with the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement with the players’ association.

BKLYNpigeon
01-18-2013, 02:35 AM
I really dont care who's wrong or right in this situation..

but Royce White was completely unprofessional discussing it on Twitter etc.

Reyes6
01-18-2013, 02:38 AM
Sounds like an egotistical, smart-***, whiny, little ***** to me. He keeps beating around the bush, never giving a specific answer of what they need to do besides gain awareness of his condition. For now I've given up about listening to Royce, the only thing that will change my mind about him is if he shuts his mouth and plays the damn game.

lakerboy
01-18-2013, 02:45 AM
Sounds like an egotistical, smart-***, whiny, little ***** to me. He keeps beating around the bush, never giving a specific answer of what they need to do besides gain awareness of his condition. For now I've given up about listening to Royce, the only thing that will change my mind about him is if he shuts his mouth and plays the damn game.

Ditto. This man cries too much. I've worked with people with all kinds of mental problems and they do their best and do their work. I have no idea why Royce White won't play with the NBDL

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 02:45 AM
yes it is

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/01/rockets-suspend-royce-white-one-week-after-he-refused-d-league-assignment/

I stand corrected on that. I guess the CBA has something to do with it. Best thing right now is to let him go. Void his contract and let him work it out with another team that will hopefully better understand his situation.

I agree that the team should not be making decisions in regards to his health. That is what doctors are paid for.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 02:47 AM
Sounds like an egotistical, smart-***, whiny, little ***** to me. He keeps beating around the bush, never giving a specific answer of what they need to do besides gain awareness of his condition. For now I've given up about listening to Royce, the only thing that will change my mind about him is if he shuts his mouth and plays the damn game.


Ditto. This man cries too much. I've worked with people with all kinds of mental problems and they do their best and do their work. I have no idea why Royce White won't play with the NBDL

You guys do not know what is going on. Only what is being released by the media and what White is being allowed to say.

We do not yet know that what he is asking for is unreasonable.

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 02:57 AM
Your anxiety disorder allows you to read minds? That is amazing.

I love when people claim they have the same condition as him as if that gives them some more validity to ther opinion than anyone else. Everybody wants to put a label on it. It's this mentality that prevents people from realizing the difficulty of the situation. Not all disorders, not even when they are the same disorder, are the same.

Some people have heart racing and some people have heart failure. Some sewat and some drop on the floor and cannot breathe.

but earlier in the thread you said this:

Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.
sounds to me like that right there means some one who does have panic attacks can. if not, then i guess no one, in your opinion, is qualified to judge him. including you. like you say, everyone has different types of anxiety. why are you assuming that his is as severe as the extremes you keep going too. how do you know what his attacks are like? it seems logical to me that if his attacks were in any way near as bad as the examples you keep going to, then he wouldnt have come this far in the first place

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 03:13 AM
Fact he was drafted by the Rockets with them knowing his issues

Fact the Rockets signed his contract as well

Fact White is not questioning or complaining about his fines

Fact the team psychologist fully supports Royce

Fact nobody knows what Royce is asking of the Rockets and it has not been made public.

i have yet to see that. i have seen royce make ambiguous statements that could have multiple interpretations.

The most damning thing to me is that Royce played in the summer league. he played in training camp. hell, he even played the first two games (well, he didnt get any minutes but he traveled with the team and dressed). I find it hard to believe that the rockets would randomly change something in their protocols and procedures after the season started

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 03:56 AM
talk about a horrible thread and a typical bully in chill will

just a couple of things...

1. Chill Will keeps saying Royce white can't say "everything"... what exactly are you talking about... he can talk about whatever he wants and chooses not to... the only reason he has any support at all at this point is his employment of vagueness... if he wants people to understand what he is going through explain it... his unwillingness to do this is counter intuitive to his professed desire to educate people.

2. Most importantly, He ain't that good... and in 5 years no one will probably care about this. Trust me, if the rockets thought this guy was the second coming of Lebron they would be doing back flips to accomodate him... he isn't and they won't

On a side note, isn't aspergers what the guy who killed everyone in sandy hook had?

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 04:01 AM
You guys do not know what is going on. Only what is being released by the media and what White is being allowed to say.

We do not yet know that what he is asking for is unreasonable.

lame... this is your entire argument... just like Royce... "you guys don't understand"

the reality is the guy is either to dumb to explain what is going on (doubt it) or ... guess what ... he has mental disorder and isn't acting rationally (shocking i know).

Again, explain to us what is keeping Royce white from laying out the specifics of his concerns... there is no confidentiality for him only for the team through HIPPA

KingPosey
01-18-2013, 04:19 AM
He doesn't have to be doing it for attention. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder that definitely reared its head even before the NBA.

I have sympathy for the guy as a man living with a condition, but not Royce White the guy that actively pursued an NBA career, knowing what his own limitations were.

That doesn't work in 1000s I other professions, that have very specific, but BASIC qualifications that you just can't side step. He HAS TO TRAVEL with the team, he knew traveling was a major issue, if you believe what he says about his OWN disorder.

tp13baby
01-18-2013, 04:20 AM
lame... this is your entire argument... just like Royce... "you guys don't understand"

the reality is the guy is either to dumb to explain what is going on (doubt it) or ... guess what ... he has mental disorder and isn't acting rationally (shocking i know).

Again, explain to us what is keeping Royce white from laying out the specifics of his concerns... there is no confidentiality for him only for the team through HIPPA

What is he supposed to do? Bash the Rockets? Bring awareness. Much like an epidemic. You research it, which he said. You give money and report everything that is learned. An organization is going to listen to someone that isn't going against the status quo. You learn all of it in history. People don't get **** moving, or stuff changed unless someone revolts. Not going to the D league is his way to say that. Im not completely on his side, but Im happy he is making it public because if he would go around doing what the business wanted, the dude can be in depression or something like other athletes have been in. At the same time he was made to play basketball and you aren't going to take a dream away from anyone. And if you say that I wish your parents would of deprived you of the one thing you loved and wanted to do.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 04:26 AM
What is he supposed to do? Bash the Rockets? Bring awareness. Much like an epidemic. You research it, which he said. You give money and report everything that is learned. An organization is going to listen to someone that isn't going against the status quo. You learn all of it in history. People don't get **** moving, or stuff changed unless someone revolts. Not going to the D league is his way to say that. Im not completely on his side, but Im happy he is making it public because if he would go around doing what the business wanted, the dude can be in depression or something like other athletes have been in. At the same time he was made to play basketball and you aren't going to take a dream away from anyone. And if you say that I wish your parents would of deprived you of the one thing you loved and wanted to do.


What the hell does that have to do with my post?... i don't give a **** that he didn't report to the D League... he can do whatever he wants ... However, the idea of a revolt is to EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE REVOLTING AGAINST... He isn't doing this... how is awareness being built... How is the CAUSE being furthered? it isn't

He isn't making anything public because he isn't saying anything...

again, don't quote my post and go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what i posted...

NYYCowboys
01-18-2013, 04:31 AM
I feel for him, but I just don't know what he expects the Rockets to do to accommodate him. He never really has said what needs to be done for him to come back and at least try. Until he does this I can't really support him. If he doesn't have a list of things, and just can't mentally play he should just retire, and do something where he is at ease. No one told him to go to the NBA he made that decision. The NBA isn't going to cater to the needs of one (not very good, yet at least) player. He needs to realize that.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 04:32 AM
I feel for him, but I just don't know what he expects the Rockets to do to accommodate him. He never really has said what needs to be done for him to come back and at least try. Until he does this I can't really support him.

exactly

tp13baby
01-18-2013, 04:37 AM
What the hell does that have to do with my post?... i don't give a **** that he didn't report to the D League... he can do whatever he wants ... However, the idea of a revolt is to EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE REVOLTING AGAINST... He isn't doing this... how is awareness being built... How is the CAUSE being furthered? it isn't

He isn't making anything public because he isn't saying anything...

again, don't quote my post and go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what i posted...

I accidently quoted you. Stop taking this so seriously. Ill quote whatever the **** I want quote, talking tough over the internet. How is he supposed to know how to figure out how to solve it when he can't solve it either. He has no answers so he is asking people to help find out.

again, its PSD, if you are going to cry about someone quoting you, you clearly have some issues at home.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 04:43 AM
I accidently quoted you. Stop taking this so seriously. Ill quote whatever the **** I want quote, talking tough over the internet. How is he supposed to know how to figure out how to solve it when he can't solve it either. He has no answers so he is asking people to help find out.

again, its PSD, if you are going to cry about someone quoting you, you clearly have some issues at home.

LMAO... he is asking people :facepalm:

Did you watch the video? Have you read his tweets? He isn't asking anyone anything... he is saying he is right (whatever that is) and the rockets are wrong on how this thing is being handled...

Again, if you are satisified with his explanation... no problem... thats your choice

I don't believe he has articulated what he wants to happen at all... isn't that the point of going to the media... Do i feel sorry for the guy... kinda... but it is hard to sympathize with someone who won't articulate what he wants to see happen

no worries though... no one will even think about him in 5 years... he really isn't that good

dalton749
01-18-2013, 04:44 AM
i dont consider anxiety a disorded its just being afraid aka a big *****. i have anxiety but i refuse to take anything for it because i recognize what i need to do and i push myself through it if i like it or not. i actually go out of my way to do things that i fear because i know it will make me a better person. i no longer fear death let alone what other people think because they just arent important in the grand scheme of things. a fear of flying or anything close to that matter shouldnt be considered a problem thats ****ing pathetic. whats the worst that can happen, you die? big deal it happens eventually anyway if you constantly live in fear of that then what kind of life did u really live. lock yourself in a ****ing closet royce your a disgrace to all of us.

The goods
01-18-2013, 05:07 AM
I still believe if they start fining him he'll make more of an effort to work with them and meet them half way

The goods
01-18-2013, 05:11 AM
I feel for him, but I just don't know what he expects the Rockets to do to accommodate him. He never really has said what needs to be done for him to come back and at least try. Until he does this I can't really support him. If he doesn't have a list of things, and just can't mentally play he should just retire, and do something where he is at ease. No one told him to go to the NBA he made that decision. The NBA isn't going to cater to the needs of one (not very good, yet at least) player. He needs to realize that.

This exactly until he starts trying I can't support him, because all I see is the rockets trying

Seguin
01-18-2013, 05:13 AM
i dont consider anxiety a disorded its just being afraid aka a big *****. i have anxiety but i refuse to take anything for it because i recognize what i need to do and i push myself through it if i like it or not. i actually go out of my way to do things that i fear because i know it will make me a better person. i no longer fear death let alone what other people think because they just arent important in the grand scheme of things. a fear of flying or anything close to that matter shouldnt be considered a problem thats ****ing pathetic. whats the worst that can happen, you die? big deal it happens eventually anyway if you constantly live in fear of that then what kind of life did u really live. lock yourself in a ****ing closet royce your a disgrace to all of us.
In just a single paragraph you've managed to make yourself look completely stupid

tp13baby
01-18-2013, 05:31 AM
LMAO... he is asking people :facepalm:

Did you watch the video? Have you read his tweets? He isn't asking anyone anything... he is saying he is right (whatever that is) and the rockets are wrong on how this thing is being handled...

Again, if you are satisified with his explanation... no problem... thats your choice

I don't believe he has articulated what he wants to happen at all... isn't that the point of going to the media... Do i feel sorry for the guy... kinda... but it is hard to sympathize with someone who won't articulate what he wants to see happen

no worries though... no one will even think about him in 5 years... he really isn't that good

I said in my post when you said it was off topic. Im not taking his side, he leaves holes in his explanation. But I am confused above, the bold parts. But he is good. He goes top 12 if the dude didn't have his disorder. He talks about protocol a ton. About going over a protocol which Houston hasn't given him or so he says. He is out doing his research about the topic and how to cope with it. He is doing research. The fact was it worked in college, I don't see how it can't work in the NBA with a little help from the team that used a draft pick on him.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:01 AM
but earlier in the thread you said this:

sounds to me like that right there means some one who does have panic attacks can. if not, then i guess no one, in your opinion, is qualified to judge him. including you. like you say, everyone has different types of anxiety. why are you assuming that his is as severe as the extremes you keep going too. how do you know what his attacks are like? it seems logical to me that if his attacks were in any way near as bad as the examples you keep going to, then he wouldnt have come this far in the first place

I assume nothing. I do not know the guy. I know how vastly panic attacks can range in intensity. That is all i am saying. Even someone that has anxiety disorder like him should not judge him unless they know what his symptoms are .

I am done with this though. It's been too exhausting going back and forth with so many people.

If people wanna cast judgement on the guy and put the blame on him then that's just what it's gonna be. If it later comes out that it was the Rockets that failed to follow through with him or that his terms were not unreasonable then a lot of people are going to feel stupid for going in on this guy like this

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:05 AM
i have yet to see that. i have seen royce make ambiguous statements that could have multiple interpretations.

The most damning thing to me is that Royce played in the summer league. he played in training camp. hell, he even played the first two games (well, he didnt get any minutes but he traveled with the team and dressed). I find it hard to believe that the rockets would randomly change something in their protocols and procedures after the season started

Maybe. Who knows at this point what is going on and who is to blame. Royce says they do not have protocols in place and they are being inconsistent with their support and making medical decisions for him. Rockets are implying Royce is making unrealistic demands. Who knows at this point

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:13 AM
talk about a horrible thread and a typical bully in chill will

just a couple of things...

1. Chill Will keeps saying Royce white can't say "everything"... what exactly are you talking about... he can talk about whatever he wants and chooses not to... the only reason he has any support at all at this point is his employment of vagueness... if he wants people to understand what he is going through explain it... his unwillingness to do this is counter intuitive to his professed desire to educate people.

2. Most importantly, He ain't that good... and in 5 years no one will probably care about this. Trust me, if the rockets thought this guy was the second coming of Lebron they would be doing back flips to accomodate him... he isn't and they won't

On a side note, isn't aspergers what the guy who killed everyone in sandy hook had?

He cannot talk about whatever he wants. You are being ridiculous. What he deals with has been documented and discussed already in various articles and people already know of his conditions. He should not have to go into details with the media about his symptoms just because idiotic fans feel entitled to an explanation and want to cast judgement on him.

His terms and demands have been kept secret by both him and the Rockets. They are handling this very well.

He was considered a top 3-5 talent most experts on draft night. Yes he is really good. If he was not good the Rockets would not have taken the huge risk. He was not projected to even be drafted in the first round due to his condition. Obviously the Rockets disagree with you.

You think if the guy sucked any of this would be a discussion right now.

Also who am i bullying?

If anything your reference to my condition and relating it to the tragedy in Sandy Hook is insulting and tasteless and you should be banned for it.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:21 AM
lame... this is your entire argument... just like Royce... "you guys don't understand"

the reality is the guy is either to dumb to explain what is going on (doubt it) or ... guess what ... he has mental disorder and isn't acting rationally (shocking i know).

Again, explain to us what is keeping Royce white from laying out the specifics of his concerns... there is no confidentiality for him only for the team through HIPPA

yea it's lame because idiots like you think they are entitled to an explanation. Cute.

What the hell do you want the guy to do? Rag on his team? He is trying to mend the relationship with them not sever it completely. Going to the media and exposing what is being discussed behind closed doors is both unprofessional and unethical. The Rockets and he are treating this in a professional manner or at least as much as they can.

Nobody owes you an explanation kid. Sit down kid, watch the sport, and continue hating on a guy without knowing the facts. That is all you are entitled to.

Me reserving judgment on him and disagreeing with anyone who is chastising him without knowing the facts is reasonable. People judging him and wiling to call him a coward or tell him he is a terrible person or whatever without knowing the facts IS unreasonable.

I would have no problem calling the guy out if the evidence presented supports the argument that it is his fault. If it comes out that this is all a scheme by him to avoid the dleague then i would agree that he is a douche. No such evidence exists. Nobody can judge him

Jetsguy
01-18-2013, 10:23 AM
so sick of hearing about this guy. play or dont but stop interviewing anywhere and everywhere you can. You play a game for a living, I dont feel bad for the guy at all. If you dont want to travel like the entire rest of your peers do then quit and go get an office job.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:24 AM
He doesn't have to be doing it for attention. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder that definitely reared its head even before the NBA.

I have sympathy for the guy as a man living with a condition, but not Royce White the guy that actively pursued an NBA career, knowing what his own limitations were.

That doesn't work in 1000s I other professions, that have very specific, but BASIC qualifications that you just can't side step. He HAS TO TRAVEL with the team, he knew traveling was a major issue, if you believe what he says about his OWN disorder.

The issue was never solely about traveling. In fact by all accounts that issue was resolved a while ago. There is more to it we do not know.

The media just focused on the fear of flying thing for some reason. He has multiple issues though.

I think he needs to be let go. Void his contract and let him choose his next move and if another team picks him up we can hope they better understand the situation than the Rockets did.

Corey
01-18-2013, 10:27 AM
Bunch of entitled bull about how the Rockets are only treating him as a piece of meat and a commodity. Complete refusal to accept how the world of professional sports works, refusal to accept that pro athletes are paid to produce physically and not for their uniqueness as human beings.

Saying he's not reporting to D-League because it is an unsafe environment?


Cry baby


who hasnt at some point in their life? i read somewhere between 15 to 20% of americans have it, which should mean royce isnt the only one in the nba with it and certainly not the first or last.
Oh look, more people that have no idea what diagnosed chronic disorders feel like.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:29 AM
What is he supposed to do? Bash the Rockets? Bring awareness. Much like an epidemic. You research it, which he said. You give money and report everything that is learned. An organization is going to listen to someone that isn't going against the status quo. You learn all of it in history. People don't get **** moving, or stuff changed unless someone revolts. Not going to the D league is his way to say that. Im not completely on his side, but Im happy he is making it public because if he would go around doing what the business wanted, the dude can be in depression or something like other athletes have been in. At the same time he was made to play basketball and you aren't going to take a dream away from anyone. And if you say that I wish your parents would of deprived you of the one thing you loved and wanted to do.

I do not think the issue is the dleague itself. I think he has an understanding of what to expect and those expectations are not being met. People with OCD need routine to live comfortably and when you mix that with severe anxiety that is a potent mix

I agree with you assessment though. Some of the best human beings to ever exist are only remembered because they went against the norm.. Alice Paul... MLK...

However he does not strike me as one that is trying to start a movement. I think he enjoys the fact that he inspires people but i think he genuinely wants to have a productive NBA career

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 10:30 AM
He cannot talk about whatever he wants. You are being ridiculous. What he deals with has been documented and discussed already in various articles and people already know of his conditions. He should not have to go into details with the media about his symptoms just because idiotic fans feel entitled to an explanation and want to cast judgement on him.

His terms and demands have been kept secret by both him and the Rockets. They are handling this very well.

He was considered a top 3-5 talent most experts on draft night. Yes he is really good. If he was not good the Rockets would not have taken the huge risk. He was not projected to even be drafted in the first round due to his condition. Obviously the Rockets disagree with you.

You think if the guy sucked any of this would be a discussion right now.

Also who am i bullying?

If anything your reference to my condition and relating it to the tragedy in Sandy Hook is insulting and tasteless and you should be banned for it.
But how do we know you actually have that condition? How do we know you're not just making it up to support your argument? like you said earlier in this thread, any *** can go on the Internet and make stuff up.

He115ing
01-18-2013, 10:32 AM
So he had this all his life. He knew that he is unable to fly. It is also common knowledge that NBA players travel and fly ALL THE TIME. So knowing all of this White still decided to enter the draft. And now he is complaining about flying. WTF! Its not like he developed the disorder when he was drafted! I feel bad for him that he has an anxiety disorder, as a psych major I understand how difficult it is to live with but aside from that, White is an idiot.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:35 AM
I feel for him, but I just don't know what he expects the Rockets to do to accommodate him. He never really has said what needs to be done for him to come back and at least try. Until he does this I can't really support him. If he doesn't have a list of things, and just can't mentally play he should just retire, and do something where he is at ease. No one told him to go to the NBA he made that decision. The NBA isn't going to cater to the needs of one (not very good, yet at least) player. He needs to realize that.

I agree that judgment should be withheld. I do not support him either do i support the cause. It may seem like i support him because i am arguing against him being judged so harshly but if there was any evidence that he is being shady about his condition or that he is milking it i would hate the guy.

Not enough evidence exists to judge the guy positively or negatively in any way. The media always follows the narrative and makes the player seem like the villain. I just do not let myself be guided by that crap.

I look at the facts that have been present it and deduce that not enough information exists to judge the guy yet

I get into it with people that say ridiculous things like suck it up and you should not have played basketball because those are not solutions and are discriminatory statements

Corey
01-18-2013, 10:36 AM
So he had this all his life. He knew that he is unable to fly. It is also common knowledge that NBA players travel and fly ALL THE TIME. So knowing all of this White still decided to enter the draft. And now he is complaining about flying. WTF! Its not like he developed the disorder when he was drafted! I feel bad for him that he has an anxiety disorder, as a psych major I understand how difficult it is to live with but aside from that, White is an idiot.He's an idiot for trying to overcome his disorder by doing something that he loves?

Cubbiefan8
01-18-2013, 10:37 AM
He needs to quit crying and report to the D League or the Rockets need to cut him. Tired of hearing about all this. I'm feel bad that he has a disorder, but he knew that flying was a big part of the NBA and still entered the draft. So report or move on and quit.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:40 AM
LMAO... he is asking people :facepalm:

Did you watch the video? Have you read his tweets? He isn't asking anyone anything... he is saying he is right (whatever that is) and the rockets are wrong on how this thing is being handled...

Again, if you are satisified with his explanation... no problem... thats your choice

I don't believe he has articulated what he wants to happen at all... isn't that the point of going to the media... Do i feel sorry for the guy... kinda... but it is hard to sympathize with someone who won't articulate what he wants to see happen

no worries though... no one will even think about him in 5 years... he really isn't that good

He owes no explanation to anyone. he lashed out at Woj for wrongful information and is continually saying he is seeking for proper protocols and support. That is vague i'll give you that but like i said he does not owe anyone anything. The terms have been discussed privately as they should be. The media has made this into a circus simply for the sake of site hits but nowhere has he said the Rockets are at fault and the team doctors are backing him up so obviously both sides have an understanding and are working at it

The fact that some fans like you feel that they are entitled to explanations or else you will call him the bad guy and call it a day is comical to me

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:41 AM
I still believe if they start fining him he'll make more of an effort to work with them and meet them half way

They ARE fining him. He is not fazed.

He115ing
01-18-2013, 10:45 AM
He's an idiot for trying to overcome his disorder by doing something that he loves?

Again, he knew he would have these problems in advance. So he should have started thinking of some solution before he got drafted. Now he is just complaining.

Also why can't he take anti anxiety medication before flights? ( Is that not allowed by the NBA?)

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:46 AM
i dont consider anxiety a disorded its just being afraid aka a big *****. i have anxiety but i refuse to take anything for it because i recognize what i need to do and i push myself through it if i like it or not. i actually go out of my way to do things that i fear because i know it will make me a better person. i no longer fear death let alone what other people think because they just arent important in the grand scheme of things. a fear of flying or anything close to that matter shouldnt be considered a problem thats ****ing pathetic. whats the worst that can happen, you die? big deal it happens eventually anyway if you constantly live in fear of that then what kind of life did u really live. lock yourself in a ****ing closet royce your a disgrace to all of us.

I am happy that you are overcoming your condition (if true). However you cannot relate your condition to his because if you knew anything about mental disorders you would know that no to disorders are exactly the same. Your triggers are probably much different than his and you do not know how severe his panic attacks get.

Calling him a big ***** indicates to me that you are making it up and do not deal with the condition or that you do not understand it. Stop puffing your chest online and realize it has nothing to do with manhood. You cannot control how the mind reacts to triggers that stimulate the fight or flight response. When you are hyperventilating and you feel like you are about to die, the last thing you are thinking of is how much of a ***** he is.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:48 AM
This exactly until he starts trying I can't support him, because all I see is the rockets trying

How do you see the Rockets trying? I am curious about this. All i keep reading is vague statements by the media that they are doing their best and they are making Royce out to be the villain here but they have not presented the facts of what they are doing.

Yes the agreed to a bus. Is that it? I would hope not because then Royce would have a point and they are being very unsupportive. This is not about flying anymore as has been stated many times already. He deals with a lot of issues and we do not know which side is going the 60 and which is going the 40

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:52 AM
In just a single paragraph you've managed to make yourself look completely stupid

and in just one sentence you have gained my respect.

I love when people throw out claims about how they have the same condition and then go on to tell us what THEY would do. Ridiculous. You have the condition yet you are wholly ignorant about how things should be. It is not about how you would do things or your own life experience. It's about what the subject being discussed feels.

it's one of the first things they teach us in social psych class. NEVER look at the patient from your own perspective. Ever.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 10:54 AM
so sick of hearing about this guy. play or dont but stop interviewing anywhere and everywhere you can. You play a game for a living, I dont feel bad for the guy at all. If you dont want to travel like the entire rest of your peers do then quit and go get an office job.

Idiot #112 welcome to the party. Feel free to read the thread after you are through presenting your ridiculous opinion and after that you can try to join the actual discussion and tell us the reasons behind your opinion.

C_Mund
01-18-2013, 10:54 AM
Have you ever had a panic attack? Have you ever experienced the hyper ventilation and the terrible feeling of thinking you are close to death and unable to do anything about it? What if this terrible feeling could be triggered by anything from an argument to public speaking or even something as common as travelling?

Anyone that does not know what it's like to have anxiety disorder should not be judging this guy just a man cannot judge a woman who says that she will not have children because she is afraid of child birth.

...unless she plays in a college program for child bearing, enters the child-bearing draft, gets drafted as a child bearer and signs a contract saying that she'll have a child.

I didn't get to listen to the interview because I'm at work. All I can say is that he's probably correct that they don't have any practices in place that will offer him much relief from whatever it is that he suffers. I have absolutely no doubt that it's very real and debilitating. However..... what does he want them to do? He says taking medication isn't enough. Well? If he can't fly should they just teleport him to games? If he has a panic attack do they usher the crowd out of the stadium and finish the game in front of empty seats? The way he's taken to social media for sympathy but offered NOTHING on the actual problem or potential solutions is my issue. Saying "I'm right and they're wrong" is incredibly vague, and if you ask me, vain.

I hope they can reach a mutual conclusion because I really want to see this kid do some damage but if he's not offering solutions (again, he may have but I can't stream anything at work) it looks to me like the Rockets are pretty much handcuffed. He needs to decide if he's going to be an NBA player or not.

....one last thought..... doesn't being a millionaire offer him some kind of ability to seek his own medical help? Just sayin.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 11:12 AM
But how do we know you actually have that condition? How do we know you're not just making it up to support your argument? like you said earlier in this thread, any *** can go on the Internet and make stuff up.

Dude seriously!? His conditions have been reported various times by multiple sources. You think this would even be a discussion if the Rockets believed he was making all this crap up?

What reason does he have to lie? Look at all the negative rep he is getting. He was set to be an NBA player and be on tv and be famous without all of this. This is not him seeking attention. He was always going to get that.

Here are some quotes directly from the horses mouth:

“I do wish to play, but I only intend to do so with the collaboration and recommendation of trained professionals,” explained White. “I have chosen not to play because the doctors and I believe it to be unsafe for unqualified Rockets front office personnel to make medical decisions, as they are not mental health professionals.”

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/12/30/royce-whites-statement/index.html

"[For] people with mental illness, one of the most important things is that they have that consistency and routine,” explained White. "I'm going to make that bus feel like home so that there's a level of consistency in a job where inconsistency is very apparent because of the schedule. I'm going to try and level that out and make sure that my stress levels stay low and that my rest is regular and that my meals are regular.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8459655/royce-white-absent-houston-rockets-cites-mental-health

“It is true that accommodating mental health can be very tough and complex; however, sometimes the only reasonable solution to doing what is right is doing what is tough,” said White in his statement on why he chose to decline the invitation to the D-League. “To portray that the Rockets have been supportive to me is fundamentally incorrect.”

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/12/30/royce-whites-statement/index.html

"If somebody has a broken leg, you give them crutches,” White said. “And even though mental illness is different in the way it looks than a broken leg, it's not really different in theory. Conceptually, it's the same thing.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8459655/royce-white-absent-houston-rockets-cites-mental-health

"I'd rather tell them on the front end and be honest and transparent and never play again for that than allow me to become one of the stories because I wasn't able to communicate," White said. "The problem is the art of the business, right? At no point will I compromise my health in the interest of business."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8640395/houston-rockets-royce-white-says-art-business-fault

This does not sound to me like a person seeking attention. Just a person the needs help in order to perform the job he was hired to do. he is willing to walk away from the sport and has not. That means his agent and the Rockets do not want him to. This is no longer just about what White wants but also about what the Rockets are willing to do to get what they want which is White to play for them.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 11:21 AM
...unless she plays in a college program for child bearing, enters the child-bearing draft, gets drafted as a child bearer and signs a contract saying that she'll have a child.

I didn't get to listen to the interview because I'm at work. All I can say is that he's probably correct that they don't have any practices in place that will offer him much relief from whatever it is that he suffers. I have absolutely no doubt that it's very real and debilitating. However..... what does he want them to do? He says taking medication isn't enough. Well? If he can't fly should they just teleport him to games? If he has a panic attack do they usher the crowd out of the stadium and finish the game in front of empty seats? The way he's taken to social media for sympathy but offered NOTHING on the actual problem or potential solutions is my issue. Saying "I'm right and they're wrong" is incredibly vague, and if you ask me, vain.

I hope they can reach a mutual conclusion because I really want to see this kid do some damage but if he's not offering solutions (again, he may have but I can't stream anything at work) it looks to me like the Rockets are pretty much handcuffed. He needs to decide if he's going to be an NBA player or not.

....one last thought..... doesn't being a millionaire offer him some kind of ability to seek his own medical help? Just sayin.

He wants his own help. he had his own team of doctors but the Rockets want him to see THEIR doctors. We do not know what his demands are and we do not know yet is his demands are unfair or unrealistic. Maybe they are.

We do know that he willing to walk away from the sport and hasn't. That means the team does not want him to retire. So that means they need to meet with him in the middles. No reports so far suggest the Rockets are doing this. Providing a bus is not a solution to his many ailments.

Also his mental disabilities should not stop him from reaching his goals anymore than a med student should be stopped from becoming a surgeon because he has a prosthetic hand.

beasted86
01-18-2013, 11:25 AM
Very annoying interview that stinks of entitlement.

I understand that his disorder is a handicap, just like a physical one that takes some catering to. But the way he speaks is as though its a one way street where the employer is the one that has to fully cater to an employee, and the employee has to do nothing to try and make it work. "Its unsafe so I didn't go to the D-League", "Its unsafe so I don't go to practice" Just seems like a crutch.

Royce should start with the basics and ask the Rockets if he can attend home practices and home games so there is no travel involved. Work on the other details later. Because he isn't taking such a basic step it makes it seem like he never intended to do anything, forget traveling by bus or any other matter for right now... attend the home events.

C_Mund
01-18-2013, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=Chill_Will_24;25136566]He wants his own help. he had his own team of doctors but the Rockets want him to see THEIR doctors. We do not know what his demands are and we do not know yet is his demands are unfair or unrealistic. Maybe they are.

We do know that he willing to walk away from the sport and hasn't. That means the team does not want him to retire. So that means they need to meet with him in the middles. No reports so far suggest the Rockets are doing this. Providing a bus is not a solution to his many ailments.

Also his mental disabilities should not stop him from reaching his goals anymore than a med student should be stopped from becoming a surgeon because he has a prosthetic hand.[/QUOT

I don't think he's fighting the wrong fight, just fighting unfairly. If it's just an issue of having his own medical staff then I think the Rockets are being ******** but this guy is a multi-million-dollar investment so there's gotta be some kind of reason they're having trouble meeting his demands.

sep11ie
01-18-2013, 11:36 AM
What do people want the Rockets to do? Force all fans home/away to look away and be quiet when this dickhole has the ball? Give him a seperate locker room and shower so no teammates see his little wee wee?

He is RUINING the "cause" for people with his "disability" in the future.

Polish Post
01-18-2013, 11:47 AM
He wants his own help. he had his own team of doctors but the Rockets want him to see THEIR doctors. We do not know what his demands are and we do not know yet is his demands are unfair or unrealistic. Maybe they are.

We do know that he willing to walk away from the sport and hasn't. That means the team does not want him to retire. So that means they need to meet with him in the middles. No reports so far suggest the Rockets are doing this. Providing a bus is not a solution to his many ailments.

Also his mental disabilities should not stop him from reaching his goals anymore than a med student should be stopped from becoming a surgeon because he has a prosthetic hand.

I kno I'm sort of intruding on a conversation here, but..........WHAT?! lol I am all for Royce White getting to keep his own doctors and I genuinely want him to succeed. I'm rooting for him. I'm on your side. But that analogy doesn't work. There is NO WAY IN HELL a one-handed med student should ever be a surgeon.

It's this simple. The Rockets need to fully accommodate him. Let him drive everywhere and just plan it to a T. Let him have a whole team of doctors and make your doctors work with them instead of against them. In return Royce needs to go to his D-League assignment and honor their request as his employer to play himself into game shape before he is brought up to the Rockets. He also needs to show up to practices and games on time and hold up his end of the bargain as a professional basketball player. I hope they trade him to a better situation or come to an understanding with him.

As a Celtics fan, I would compare Royce White to a Jared Sullinger. Productive NBA player. I hope we see it and he blazes the trail for others.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 11:47 AM
[QUOTE=Chill_Will_24;25136566]He wants his own help. he had his own team of doctors but the Rockets want him to see THEIR doctors. We do not know what his demands are and we do not know yet is his demands are unfair or unrealistic. Maybe they are.

We do know that he willing to walk away from the sport and hasn't. That means the team does not want him to retire. So that means they need to meet with him in the middles. No reports so far suggest the Rockets are doing this. Providing a bus is not a solution to his many ailments.

Also his mental disabilities should not stop him from reaching his goals anymore than a med student should be stopped from becoming a surgeon because he has a prosthetic hand.[/QUOT

I don't think he's fighting the wrong fight, just fighting unfairly. If it's just an issue of having his own medical staff then I think the Rockets are being ******** but this guy is a multi-million-dollar investment so there's gotta be some kind of reason they're having trouble meeting his demands.

Exactly! It seems so strange. A $600 million organization is investing millions into an employee and we are supposed to believe they did not do their homework on him properly? If that is true then the Rockets deserve all the blame. Seeing as i doubt this happened something else is going on.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 11:52 AM
I kno I'm sort of intruding on a conversation here, but..........WHAT?! lol I am all for Royce White getting to keep his own doctors and I genuinely want him to succeed. I'm rooting for him. I'm on your side. But that analogy doesn't work. There is NO WAY IN HELL a one-handed med student should ever be a surgeon.

It's this simple. The Rockets need to fully accommodate him. Let him drive everywhere and just plan it to a T. Let him have a whole team of doctors and make your doctors work with them instead of against them. In return Royce needs to go to his D-League assignment and honor their request as his employer to play himself into game shape before he is brought up to the Rockets. He also needs to show up to practices and games on time and hold up his end of the bargain as a professional basketball player. I hope they trade him to a better situation or come to an understanding with him.

As a Celtics fan, I would compare Royce White to a Jared Sullinger. Productive NBA player. I hope we see it and he blazes the trail for others.

Agree completely and yea my analogy was prolly all effed up. Idek if a surgeon can be a surgeon with one hand.

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 12:06 PM
Dude seriously!? His conditions have been reported various times by multiple sources. You think this would even be a discussion if the Rockets believed he was making all this crap up?

What reason does he have to lie? Look at all the negative rep he is getting. He was set to be an NBA player and be on tv and be famous without all of this. This is not him seeking attention. He was always going to get that.

Here are some quotes directly from the horses mouth:

“I do wish to play, but I only intend to do so with the collaboration and recommendation of trained professionals,” explained White. “I have chosen not to play because the doctors and I believe it to be unsafe for unqualified Rockets front office personnel to make medical decisions, as they are not mental health professionals.”

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/12/30/royce-whites-statement/index.html

"[For] people with mental illness, one of the most important things is that they have that consistency and routine,” explained White. "I'm going to make that bus feel like home so that there's a level of consistency in a job where inconsistency is very apparent because of the schedule. I'm going to try and level that out and make sure that my stress levels stay low and that my rest is regular and that my meals are regular.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8459655/royce-white-absent-houston-rockets-cites-mental-health

“It is true that accommodating mental health can be very tough and complex; however, sometimes the only reasonable solution to doing what is right is doing what is tough,” said White in his statement on why he chose to decline the invitation to the D-League. “To portray that the Rockets have been supportive to me is fundamentally incorrect.”

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/12/30/royce-whites-statement/index.html

"If somebody has a broken leg, you give them crutches,” White said. “And even though mental illness is different in the way it looks than a broken leg, it's not really different in theory. Conceptually, it's the same thing.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8459655/royce-white-absent-houston-rockets-cites-mental-health

"I'd rather tell them on the front end and be honest and transparent and never play again for that than allow me to become one of the stories because I wasn't able to communicate," White said. "The problem is the art of the business, right? At no point will I compromise my health in the interest of business."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8640395/houston-rockets-royce-white-says-art-business-fault

This does not sound to me like a person seeking attention. Just a person the needs help in order to perform the job he was hired to do. he is willing to walk away from the sport and has not. That means his agent and the Rockets do not want him to. This is no longer just about what White wants but also about what the Rockets are willing to do to get what they want which is White to play for them.
Reading comprehension. It really is a wonderful thing.

Notice how I said "you" not "he". I was addressing your reaction about that posters insensitivity to your condition. It obviously upset you based on your reaction. Much as it upset me with your insensitivity of that other posters family and their history. I was pointing out you being a hypocrit.

tnewkirk
01-18-2013, 12:09 PM
Oh look, more people that have no idea what diagnosed chronic disorders feel like.

i have mild ocd, but i recognize that and its never a problem. all i said in that post was 20% of people in the us have it, 1 out 5 and since there are like 400 nba players there should be other guys with it. but how come they're willing to overcome it? this **** isnt even giving it a chance, its his way or the highway. the rockets shouldnt budge an inch.

like people mentioned he always knew if he made it to the nba he would have to face his fears and fly, unless he truly believed he could get his way with any nba team he wants which is ****en ridiculous.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:11 PM
Reading comprehension. It really is a wonderful thing.

Notice how I said "you" not "he". I was addressing your reaction about that posters insensitivity to your condition. It obviously upset you based on your reaction. Much as it upset me with your insensitivity of that other posters family and their history. I was pointing out you being a hypocrit.

I did not disrespect his family in any way and i gave him my condolences if his story was genuine. However i do not take people's word on these forums seriously. People make a lot of false claims in order to get the upper hand in an argument.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:14 PM
i have mild ocd, but i recognize that and its never a problem. all i said in that post was 20% of people in the us have it, 1 out 5 and since there are like 400 nba players there should be other guys with it. but how come they're willing to overcome it? this **** isnt even giving it a chance, its his way or the highway. the rockets shouldnt budge an inch.

like people mentioned he always knew if he made it to the nba he would have to face his fears and fly, unless he truly believed he could get his way with any nba team he wants which is ****en ridiculous.

So much ignorance in this post.

astrosmaniac
01-18-2013, 12:27 PM
I did not disrespect his family in any way and i gave him my condolences if his story was genuine. However i do not take people's word on these forums seriously. People make a lot of false claims in order to get the upper hand in an argument.

Then why should we have any reason to take you at your word about your condition. And if we can't take you at your word, why should you get so offended and call for someone else to be banned for an opinion?

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:34 PM
Then why should we have any reason to take you at your word about your condition. And if we can't take you at your word, why should you get so offended and call for someone else to be banned for an opinion?

You don't. You believe what you choose.

I did not use my condition to substantiate an argument. I was merely expressing why i can relate to him. I did not claim my condition gave me higher knowledge.

I do not know anymore about this situation than you do.

EDIT: I unintentionally implied that i thought he was lying. That was not my intention. Not taking something to be fact is not the same as saying that he is lying. Just because i do not just take people's word online as truth does not mean i think he is lying.

I just think if you are making a claim about you own life, you do not use it to substantiate a claim. It is fallacious. I could easily say to someone i am a professional body builder certified personal trainer so i know what i am talking about when i say that Manny Pacquiao was juicing.

Bellz
01-18-2013, 12:45 PM
[QUOTE=C_Mund;25136616]

Exactly! It seems so strange. A $600 million organization is investing millions into an employee and we are supposed to believe they did not do their homework on him properly? If that is true then the Rockets deserve all the blame. Seeing as i doubt this happened something else is going on.

Wait the rockets deserve all the blame because they drafted a player who declared himself for the NBA draft? If he knew this could happen he should've never went into the draft. This is no way shape or forum the Rockets fault... They drafted a player who was in the draft and isn't even doing basic baby steps to even help start his career..

HesterJordan23
01-18-2013, 12:45 PM
If he asked for help and they said no and it doesn't pertain to the rules then he must use the money he has and pay his own doctor..simple as that

sep11ie
01-18-2013, 12:48 PM
I can't believe some moron on his Twitter compared him to MLK...

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:53 PM
I can't believe some moron on his Twitter compared him to MLK...

It is a ridiculous comparison right now. However if he were to raise awareness for people everywhere with mental disorders he would be just as important to those people as MLK was to the people he was fighting for. That is not to say Royce should be compared to one of the greatest human beings to ever live but there are a lot of people with mental disorders and all it takes is one person to believe and fight for something for change to happen

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=Chill_Will_24;25136706]

Wait the rockets deserve all the blame because they drafted a player who declared himself for the NBA draft? If he knew this could happen he should've never went into the draft. This is no way shape or forum the Rockets fault... They drafted a player who was in the draft and isn't even doing basic baby steps to even help start his career..

I said IF they drafted him without doing their homework. I would hope that they did not just label him as a guy that hates flying and called it a day because if that is what they did they deserve this negative publicity

HesterJordan23
01-18-2013, 12:55 PM
I can't believe some moron on his Twitter compared him to MLK...

Black history month is coming baby got to milk it

sep11ie
01-18-2013, 12:58 PM
The dude is full of ****. Mental disorder my ***. I've got anxiety, I've got insomnia, me me me, I'm a victim. STFU and just go away.

C_Mund
01-18-2013, 01:01 PM
[QUOTE=Chill_Will_24;25136706]

Wait the rockets deserve all the blame because they drafted a player who declared himself for the NBA draft? If he knew this could happen he should've never went into the draft. This is no way shape or forum the Rockets fault... They drafted a player who was in the draft and isn't even doing basic baby steps to even help start his career..

I don't know what's going on here but I didn't say that, that was a response to something I said. However I think you misunderstood the context. Chill Will and I were talking about how the Rockets wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think they could work with the situation, and there's a lot going on behind closed doors. He's a 7-figure investment so they didn't just draft him to see what happened. They work out and interview the kids during the combine, like truly put them under a microscope. If they thought Royce's condition was a non-factor then they DO deserve to get screwed, but I have a feeling that they didn't think it would be as big of an issue as it's become.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:03 PM
He cannot talk about whatever he wants. You are being ridiculous. What he deals with has been documented and discussed already in various articles and people already know of his conditions. He should not have to go into details with the media about his symptoms just because idiotic fans feel entitled to an explanation and want to cast judgement on him.

His terms and demands have been kept secret by both him and the Rockets. They are handling this very well.

He was considered a top 3-5 talent most experts on draft night. Yes he is really good. If he was not good the Rockets would not have taken the huge risk. He was not projected to even be drafted in the first round due to his condition. Obviously the Rockets disagree with you.

You think if the guy sucked any of this would be a discussion right now.

Also who am i bullying?

If anything your reference to my condition and relating it to the tragedy in Sandy Hook is insulting and tasteless and you should be banned for it.

LMFAO... you continually ignore what people post...

no one said he should talk about his symptoms, etc... HE WON"T TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO. NOTHING AND NO ONE IS KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING BUT ROYCE WHITE.

As for the Sandy Hook reference... i was questioning whether it was the same... quit being defensive...

and if anyone in this thread should be banned it is you for constantly calling people names and ridiculing them... that won't happen though because this site is a joke when it comes to meteing out discipline

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:07 PM
yea it's lame because idiots like you think they are entitled to an explanation. Cute.

What the hell do you want the guy to do? Rag on his team? He is trying to mend the relationship with them not sever it completely. Going to the media and exposing what is being discussed behind closed doors is both unprofessional and unethical. The Rockets and he are treating this in a professional manner or at least as much as they can.

Nobody owes you an explanation kid. Sit down kid, watch the sport, and continue hating on a guy without knowing the facts. That is all you are entitled to.

Me reserving judgment on him and disagreeing with anyone who is chastising him without knowing the facts is reasonable. People judging him and wiling to call him a coward or tell him he is a terrible person or whatever without knowing the facts IS unreasonable.

I would have no problem calling the guy out if the evidence presented supports the argument that it is his fault. If it comes out that this is all a scheme by him to avoid the dleague then i would agree that he is a douche. No such evidence exists. Nobody can judge him

LMFAO...

he is being professional... HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS PUT THIS IN THE MEDIA NOT THE ****ING ROCKETS.

Do you believe your BS?

Again, focus on what people post not your agenda... He doesn't owe anyone anything BUT IF HE IS GONNA GO TO THE MEDIA HE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE WANTS... there is no other reason to go to the media other than to embarrass the rockets because he isn't getting what he wants...

C_Mund
01-18-2013, 01:07 PM
[QUOTE=Mbellz3o8;25137081]

I don't know what's going on here but I didn't say that, that was a response to something I said. However I think you misunderstood the context. Chill Will and I were talking about how the Rockets wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think they could work with the situation, and there's a lot going on behind closed doors. He's a 7-figure investment so they didn't just draft him to see what happened. They work out and interview the kids during the combine, like truly put them under a microscope. If they thought Royce's condition was a non-factor then they DO deserve to get screwed, but I have a feeling that they didn't think it would be as big of an issue as it's become.

Never mind Chill Will, the wrong people keep getting quoted. I'm going to stop now.

SeekTheTruth
01-18-2013, 01:10 PM
The dude is full of ****. Mental disorder my ***. I've got anxiety, I've got insomnia, me me me, I'm a victim. STFU and just go away.

Exactly he needs to play in the nba or don't.
What happens if the rockets go through all this, bend for him.
Say hypothetically he becomes a really good player and a big part of their success, they make the playoffs, the stress kills royce and he doesn't attend the games or say fly across the country as their usually is only a day or two between games. He would be missing important meetings, film sessions, practices just getting there .Then royce decides its not safe for him to play in these games cuz he can't handle the pressure, rockets lose cuz they have a hole in their roster that they thought would be there, it would be a big letdown to the team, the city, his and the rockets fans and nba basketball itself. Its unfortunate he has this problem he can't seem to overcome but basketball is about making money for the owners and winning for the fans and players(they like the money too haha). The rockets franchise would look like **** if they let something like this happen

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:11 PM
[QUOTE=Mbellz3o8;25137081]

I don't know what's going on here but I didn't say that, that was a response to something I said. However I think you misunderstood the context. Chill Will and I were talking about how the Rockets wouldn't have drafted him if they didn't think they could work with the situation, and there's a lot going on behind closed doors. He's a 7-figure investment so they didn't just draft him to see what happened. They work out and interview the kids during the combine, like truly put them under a microscope. If they thought Royce's condition was a non-factor then they DO deserve to get screwed, but I have a feeling that they didn't think it would be as big of an issue as it's become.

Agreed completely. I have said multiple times this could all be White's fault or it could be a combination of things and maybe NOBODY is at fault and they can work this out. We simply do not know the facts of what is being discussed behind closed doors.

Moreover even if White has handled all of this wrong he has stayed mostly professional. There have been no leaks like "a person close to the player" or "a person familiar with the player's thinking" talking about any of the things being said or denied to him. He has not criticized the Rockets and only said that the information they were releasing was misleading.

Meanwhile the Rockets have also been patient with him and have no by any account violated any agreement they had in place. He has taken issue with the fact that they are making medical decisions him and not adhering to the guidelines his doctors are recommending which does not seem too much to ask of him if true.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:12 PM
LMFAO... you continually ignore what people post...

no one said he should talk about his symptoms, etc... HE WON"T TALK ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS THEM TO DO. NOTHING AND NO ONE IS KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING BUT ROYCE WHITE.

As for the Sandy Hook reference... i was questioning whether it was the same... quit being defensive...

and if anyone in this thread should be banned it is you for constantly calling people names and ridiculing them... that won't happen though because this site is a joke when it comes to meteing out discipline

How do you know he is not letting these things be known? he is not letting it be known to the general media. The Rockets do not get their information from blogs and forums.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:15 PM
LMFAO...

he is being professional... HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS PUT THIS IN THE MEDIA NOT THE ****ING ROCKETS.

Do you believe your BS?

Again, focus on what people post not your agenda... He doesn't owe anyone anything BUT IF HE IS GONNA GO TO THE MEDIA HE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE WANTS... there is no other reason to go to the media other than to embarrass the rockets because he isn't getting what he wants...

What agenda? Dude grow the **** up and post with some class.

He did not put anything in the media. He responds to certain tweets when he feels they need to be called out and lashes out at writers that post wrong information as fact. The media made this into a circus, not Royce White. By all accounts White and the Rockets are handling this privately behind closed doors. He did not come knocking on the dooor of ESPN and begged for this interview i can assure you of that.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:19 PM
You don't. You believe what you choose.

I did not use my condition to substantiate an argument. I was merely expressing why i can relate to him. I did not claim my condition gave me higher knowledge.
I do not know anymore about this situation than you do.

EDIT: I unintentionally implied that i thought he was lying. That was not my intention. Not taking something to be fact is not the same as saying that he is lying. Just because i do not just take people's word online as truth does not mean i think he is lying.

I just think if you are making a claim about you own life, you do not use it to substantiate a claim. It is fallacious. I could easily say to someone i am a professional body builder certified personal trainer so i know what i am talking about when i say that Manny Pacquiao was juicing.

:facepalm:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:facepalm:

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:20 PM
Exactly he needs to play in the nba or don't.
What happens if the rockets go through all this, bend for him.
Say hypothetically he becomes a really good player and a big part of their success, they make the playoffs, the stress kills royce and he doesn't attend the games or say fly across the country as their usually is only a day or two between games. He would be missing important meetings, film sessions, practices just getting there .Then royce decides its not safe for him to play in these games cuz he can't handle the pressure, rockets lose cuz they have a hole in their roster that they thought would be there, it would be a big letdown to the team, the city, his and the rockets fans and nba basketball itself. Its unfortunate he has this problem he can't seem to overcome but basketball is about making money for the owners and winning for the fans and players(they like the money too haha). The rockets franchise would look like **** if they let something like this happen

Proper protocols for players like him would solve a lot of issues. That is the crux of the issue is that there are not many cases like his. There have been very few and none as unique. Therefore nobody knows how to deal with it.

Anyone that truly wants to engage in this discussion should read this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1463055-royce-white-houston-rockets-should-set-protocol-for-mental-health-care-in-nba

It is very good and well presented. Do not just skim it. That is another problem. Most people skim because they find the subject boring but i find that ironic seeing as it's the people that properly understand the situation that are not so quick to judge this kid. It is the ones that have no clue about his ailments that seem to be judging him. People do to much following today and less time doing the research and making up their own damn minds (cue the ain't nobody got time for that meme)

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:22 PM
Proper protocols for players like him would solve a lot of issues. That is the crux of the issue is that there are not many cases like his. There have been very few and none as unique. Therefore nobody knows how to deal with it.

Anyone that truly wants to engage in this discussion should read this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1463055-royce-white-houston-rockets-should-set-protocol-for-mental-health-care-in-nba

It is very good and well presented. Do not just skim it. That is another problem. Most people skim because they find the subject boring but i find that ironic seeing as it's the people that properly understand the situation that are not so quick to judge this kid. It is the ones that have no clue about his ailments that seem to be judging him. People do to much following today and less time doing the research and making up their own damn minds (cue the ain't nobody got time for that meme)


EDIT: While generally any rumor and trade speculation coming from bleacherreport should be dismissed, they are not useless and they do have some quality writers. This article is well sourced, well informed and well presented.

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:23 PM
:facepalm:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:facepalm:

Cute

tnewkirk
01-18-2013, 01:26 PM
What agenda? Dude grow the **** up and post with some class.

He did not put anything in the media. He responds to certain tweets when he feels they need to be called out and lashes out at writers that post wrong information as fact. The media made this into a circus, not Royce White. By all accounts White and the Rockets are handling this privately behind closed doors. He did not come knocking on the dooor of ESPN and begged for this interview i can assure you of that.

:facepalm: says the guy who's called multiple people idiots lol.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:27 PM
So am i.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers at an early age and only people that understand mental disorders can understand what he goes through. When he says it's "unsafe" he does not mean what YOU consider "unsafe". He has issues that you cannot possibly comprehend because you cannot feel what he does.

Just saying to him take this medication or do that and get over it is not a solution and i agree that the Rockets are viewing him as a commodity and purely from a business standpoint.

Mental disorders are REAL people! Unless you have one you cannot possibly comprehend what he goes through. Even then you still might not because you do not know what it's like for an athlete like him. It's not just flying. Athletes go through a lot of things that are tough to deal with for a person with his condition.

Also saying things like he should not have become a basketball player is a ridiculous, insulting, and discriminatory argument. He has obvious basketball talent and is physically gifted and proper protocols would prevent this from even being an issue.

Maybe the NBA needs to stop thinking of players as properties and start thinking of them as human beings.


Yep... you didn't take sides or use your condition to support your argument as an authority on the subject matter

:facepalm:

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:29 PM
:facepalm: says the guy who's called multiple people idiots lol.

yep PSD enforcement of rules at its finest

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:31 PM
Yep... you didn't take sides or use your condition to support your argument as an authority on the subject matter

:facepalm:

I DO understand what he goes through. I do not understand what you are trying to claim here. I did not say my condition gives me any higher knowledge if the facts or that my opinion should be regarded as more valuable. Especially when my opinion is simply that people should reserve judgment on the kid

Chill_Will_24
01-18-2013, 01:36 PM
:facepalm: says the guy who's called multiple people idiots lol.

If people can dish it they should be able to take it. Saying things like "suck it up" and "should not have bcecome a basketball player" are idiotic statements. Discrimination at it's core.

If you are posting idiotic statements that are not properly thought out and posting them without first reading through the thread so you can gain an understanding of what is being discussed so that we can have a productive discussion, you deserve to be called an idiot.

That said it is a new day and this guy is still posting ridiculous things with little substance and attacking me personally. If he would post with class and would have done so from the beginning this conversation would be much more enjoyable.

Vinylman
01-18-2013, 01:36 PM
I DO understand what he goes through. I do not understand what you are trying to claim here. I did not say my condition gives me any higher knowledge if the facts or that my opinion should be regarded as more valuable. Especially when my opinion is simply that people should reserve judgment on the kid

we can agree to disagree on the subject... no need to respond further... you obviously struggle with reading comprehension so we can let it go...