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House
01-17-2013, 12:54 AM
I thought I'd kick it off with future contracts news. SEA signed 10 players today
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/16/seattle-seahawks-sign-10-players-to-future-contracts-8-from-practice-squad/

Boozerguy47
01-17-2013, 05:01 AM
Kind of a depressing thread... So close to going down to SF and helping CK lay his egg.

Oh well, 2013 will be great!

Seattle4Ever
01-17-2013, 11:33 AM
:sigh:

Draft in three months!

Baller1
01-17-2013, 01:39 PM
We should be in the NFC Championship, I don't want to talk about the offseason yet.

GGGGG-Men
01-17-2013, 02:18 PM
Per KFFL:

FREE AGENTS

WR Lavasier Tuinei Signed w/Bengals
TE Cameron Morrah UFA
PK Steven Hauschka UFA
OT Frank Omiyale UFA
OG Allen Barbre Signed w/Eagles
C Clint Gresham RFA
DL Alan Branch UFA
DL Jason Jones UFA
DL Clinton McDonald RFA
LB LeRoy Hill UFA
CB Marcus Trufant UFA
FS Chris Maragos RFA

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2013

NateyB24
01-17-2013, 02:40 PM
Former #Seahawks D-line coach and Florida defensive coordinator Dan Quinn is the Seahawks new defensive coordinator.

https://twitter.com/johnpboyle/status/291975626687123456

Baller1
01-17-2013, 03:16 PM
Jason Jones needs to be priority #1.

FWBrodie
01-17-2013, 03:44 PM
Wow, pretty much everyone predicted that. I thought it was way too obvious to actually happen. Great move. As close to continuity as possible, and watch for improvement on the d-line. Welcome back Dan.

drew_ellis_23
01-17-2013, 04:08 PM
Will miss Mr Bradley but this is a solid move. Good luck in Jax Gus. Got some work to do haha!

NateyB24
01-17-2013, 06:10 PM
I kind of like Quinn more then Bradley to be honest he is a D-Line coach maybe he will get some pressure which Bradley didn't which cost us against the Falcons playing soft.

Dolphins,Lions there was probably another game that i am forgetting but if our D just held one of those leads we would probably be SuperBowl bound with the Home Field advantage.

NateyB24
01-17-2013, 06:19 PM
Kam Chancellor tweets about his surgery even with a picture and then the ESPN reports it lol wonder who there sources are.


Surgery is Finally over and I feel like crap.. http://instagr.am/p/UmOtTPEY0P/

https://twitter.com/Kam_Chancellor/status/291997103507529729

Knew there had to be something wrong with him he wasn't that good in coverage this season when on TE's.

House
01-17-2013, 10:29 PM
Wow, pretty much everyone predicted that. I thought it was way too obvious to actually happen. Great move. As close to continuity as possible, and watch for improvement on the d-line. Welcome back Dan.

Maybe he'll have some inside track opinions of guys like Sharrif Floyd

furmat60
01-17-2013, 11:23 PM
I honestly won't miss Bradley.

FWBrodie
01-17-2013, 11:44 PM
Maybe he'll have some inside track opinions of guys like Sharrif Floyd

Good point.

House
01-17-2013, 11:55 PM
I liked Bradley. I dont know if it was his Tampa 2 style soft cover zone that repeatedly screwed us on 3rd down or not. We'll see...

NateyB24
01-17-2013, 11:57 PM
I liked Bradley. I dont know if it was his Tampa 2 style soft cover zone that repeatedly screwed us on 3rd down or not. We'll see...

I really am not great with X's and O's but i don't think we played Tampa 2 it was more man to man type stuff.

seahawks509
01-18-2013, 12:31 AM
“We need to improve our guys, we need another pass rusher,” said Carroll, who then amended that statement to include, “We’re going to have to double it up, we’re going to need a couple of guys.”

I could see us moving Irivin to OLB and drafting another pass rusher first overal. Maybe Alex Okafor is he's there? Irvin could possibly be our version of Von Miller, and we have history of players moving positions and working out

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 01:14 AM
Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell is staying in Seattle after being pursued for a handful of head coaching vacancies around the league.

Now he has a new deal in Seattle.

According to John Clayton of ESPN, the Seahawks gave Bevell a new contract to remain as their offensive coordinator.

Bevell was one of three finalists for the Chicago Bears job that ultimately went to Marc Trestman. Bevell interviewed with the Arizona Cardinals on Wednesday before Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians accepted the job Thursday evening.

Bevell was also scheduled to interview with the Jacksonville Jaguars before Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley took the job Thursday morning.

Part of the reason Bevell was in demand was because of the improvement of the Seahawks offense over the final half of the season. Seattle had been averaging just 16.6 points per game through the first seven weeks of the season. The Seahawks added tweaked their offense and added more zone-read concepts to cater to quarterback Russell Wilson mid-season and the offense took off.

The Seahawks went 8-3 over the final 11 games of the season (including the playoffs) and averaging 31.6 points per game over that span.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/17/seahawks-give-darrell-bevell-new-contract/

I am glad we were able to keep him.

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 01:16 AM
Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell also was a candidate for the Arizona job but withdrew because Seattle gave him a new contract, a source told ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8855315/arizona-cardinals-hire-bruce-arians-head-coach-according-team-source

seahawks509
01-18-2013, 01:31 AM
I am very excited about our coaching decisions. I like Quin and keeping Bevell was huge.

House
01-18-2013, 01:52 AM
Bevell re-signing is a big thing. Continuity for a young QB (even though our QB doesn't play young) is a GREAT thing. Not to mention the other players that are developing (Mainly Tate and Turbin).

Seattle4Ever
01-18-2013, 01:53 AM
We have DL guru, LB guru, DB guru, and a drafting guru. Wow.

Saw someone call Idzik a cap guru too. I love our staff.

House
01-18-2013, 01:59 AM
I really am not great with X's and O's but i don't think we played Tampa 2 it was more man to man type stuff.

I get what you're saying and this is what is constantly exploited last year. It is a hybrid of a Old school Tampa 2.

Limitations to the Tampa-2

There are major holes involved in the Tampa-2 such as the deep out between the corner and the safeties as well as a short slant or three-yard hitch between the corners and the outside linebackers. That is why it is imperative for the defensive line to collapse the pocket as quickly as possible. Not allowing the QB to read the defense is key in the Tampa-2.
http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2009/2/19/764222/the-tampa-2-explained

Now this may not be 100% accurate, but I have seen this issue very common when a team doesn't get a great pass rush

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 02:24 AM
http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_player_sports/?a=9951129&p=1007&n=Brock%20and%20Salk

Russell Wilson interview.

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 02:34 AM
I get what you're saying and this is what is constantly exploited last year. It is a hybrid of a Old school Tampa 2.

http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2009/2/19/764222/the-tampa-2-explained

Now this may not be 100% accurate, but I have seen this issue very common when a team doesn't get a great pass rush

Ok maybe i am wrong this sounds a lot like what have been going on with our collapses soft coverage.

jej
01-18-2013, 10:25 AM
Cool. Now fix your play call and we are good.

Labgrownmangoat
01-18-2013, 11:15 AM
Bevell re-signing is a big thing. Continuity for a young QB (even though our QB doesn't play young) is a GREAT thing. Not to mention the other players that are developing (Mainly Tate and Turbin).

This may be the key signing of our off season. We do NOT want to Alex Smith our new QB by having him try to run a different offense every single year. Let him grow and develop into a consumate pro and absolute master of the offense Bevell has going. Given a little time, I have no doubt he will.

Labgrownmangoat
01-18-2013, 11:20 AM
Ok maybe i am wrong this sounds a lot like what have been going on with our collapses soft coverage.

Generally, we ran man to man. However, in a few late collapses we went to a prevent zone something like a Tampa 2. Our personnel are much better suited to man to man. The issue in the final game was that we couldn't effectively run our regular man to man defense without Clemons in there -- Ryan had a day and a half to throw. Thus we had to go to unfamiliar and uncomfortable blitzes to try to get to him, disrupting what we had done on D all year, and leading to some key completions. Given that damage, we swapped to zone at the very end, with even worse results. In other words, losing Clemons made us poorer at our regular defense, and even worse at ones we usually don't play as much (zone and heavy blitzing). At least that is my impression.

Thebudler
01-18-2013, 02:06 PM
What do you guys do with Matt Flynn? Not a great rookie QB class. Free agent QB's aren't that great either (assuming Flacco will get franchised or signed). There could be a big market for Flynn. Jets, Bills, Cardinals, Chiefs or Jags are a few off the top of my head. We are in a good situation though. I would need at least a third round pick + to even think of moving Flynn. Thoughts?

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 03:36 PM
Cool. Now fix your play call and we are good.

The first 6 games i would agree with you but after that he really opened it up for Wilson.

NateyB24
01-18-2013, 03:54 PM
What do you guys do with Matt Flynn? Not a great rookie QB class. Free agent QB's aren't that great either (assuming Flacco will get franchised or signed). There could be a big market for Flynn. Jets, Bills, Cardinals, Chiefs or Jags are a few off the top of my head. We are in a good situation though. I would need at least a third round pick + to even think of moving Flynn. Thoughts?

Keep him unless we can get a 2nd-4th round pick.

Seattle4Ever
01-18-2013, 09:43 PM
Cool. Now fix your play call and we are good.

I have no complaints about his playcalling. The lid is off with Wilson.

House
01-18-2013, 09:48 PM
I can see a 3rd rd pick coming from KC. They would trade before the draft and anyone wanting to move to #1the will re-compensate them. Reid is great with WC QBs and Flynn would fit nicely there.

jej
01-18-2013, 10:25 PM
I have no complaints about his playcalling. The lid is off with Wilson.

I have beef with some of the 3rd and 4th down calls.

Spartan8585
01-19-2013, 12:13 AM
I'm happy I had been hoping he would stay.

Seattle4Ever
01-19-2013, 12:27 AM
I have beef with some of the 3rd and 4th down calls.

That was basically just one game.

Seppuku
01-19-2013, 01:34 PM
One game which derailed the Seahawks post-season. I'm sure we would all do things differently in those rare moments where we make a mistake that shapes the rest of our lives.

Seattle4Ever
01-19-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm not going to go over this again. It's whatever.

Seppuku, do you go to Boise State?

Burleson81
01-20-2013, 04:14 PM
I know I'm supposed to cheer for the NFC West when the Seahawks are now done. But I can't bring myself to cheer for the Niners. Oh well.

Seattle4Ever
01-20-2013, 04:56 PM
I don't think I will ever cheer for a rival no matter who they're facing. The one exception was the Cards vs. Steelers.

House
01-20-2013, 05:35 PM
I was always taught to follow the team that beat us. If the team that beat us ends up in the Super Bowl at least we lost to the team in the Super Bowl. If ATL loses today, I'll just be PISSED. One and done's really suck!

FWBrodie
01-20-2013, 05:53 PM
Yeah, F the niners.

FWBrodie
01-20-2013, 06:00 PM
We have DL guru, LB guru, DB guru, and a drafting guru. Wow.

Saw someone call Idzik a cap guru too. I love our staff.

Pete Carroll has to be considered the defensive guru of the NFL right now.

Seattle4Ever
01-20-2013, 06:10 PM
Pete Carroll has to be considered the defensive guru of the NFL right now.

Yeah, defensive/DB guru.


Generally, we ran man to man. However, in a few late collapses we went to a prevent zone something like a Tampa 2. Our personnel are much better suited to man to man. The issue in the final game was that we couldn't effectively run our regular man to man defense without Clemons in there -- Ryan had a day and a half to throw. Thus we had to go to unfamiliar and uncomfortable blitzes to try to get to him, disrupting what we had done on D all year, and leading to some key completions. Given that damage, we swapped to zone at the very end, with even worse results. In other words, losing Clemons made us poorer at our regular defense, and even worse at ones we usually don't play as much (zone and heavy blitzing). At least that is my impression.

Jason Jones is more important to our pass rush than Clemons is.

FWBrodie
01-20-2013, 06:30 PM
I would say Clem is the most important pass rusher, but in tandem they can work very well together.

Seattle4Ever
01-20-2013, 06:41 PM
I would say Clem is the most important pass rusher, but in tandem they can work very well together.

The difference is Jones opens up the pass rush for Clemons and other rushers, not vice versa. Clemons is our best pass rusher, but Jones is the best and most essential in this defense.

House
01-20-2013, 07:06 PM
Another thing I was just thinking about was Jaye Howard's most productive year @ Florida was 2011 under Quinn. He was drafted with the vision of being an heir apparent of such to the mold of Jason Jones. He didn't see much field this year, but I can see him playing a MUCH BIGGER role this coming season. Thoughts?

Seattle4Ever
01-20-2013, 11:31 PM
Yeah I think Howard will be big. Maybe we won't make a move in the draft/FA if Schneider and Pete think highly of him.

ztilzer31
01-21-2013, 02:36 PM
......osssiiii for cheappppp

furmat60
01-21-2013, 04:13 PM
****, I hope Raw Lewis destroys them.

Seattle4Ever
01-21-2013, 04:47 PM
Meh.

alexander_37
01-21-2013, 06:09 PM
Is it just me or would Henry Melton be a godsend ?

House
01-21-2013, 06:14 PM
Henry Melton would be great... I think I would take him over re-signing Branch and/or Jones

Seattle4Ever
01-21-2013, 06:20 PM
Melton would be nice, but I think re-signing Jones is our #1 priority.

House
01-21-2013, 06:24 PM
Melton would be nice, but I think re-signing Jones is our #1 priority.

I do agree. My only concern is that Jones hasn't been an every down player. Melton has played great against the run and is a HUGE upgrade in the pass rush

Baller1
01-21-2013, 06:27 PM
Russell Wilson is going to the pro bowl.

FWBrodie
01-21-2013, 06:31 PM
Why not both? I haven't seen Melton play ever.

Baller1
01-21-2013, 06:32 PM
I'd be cool with signing Osi to a cheap contract.

Seattle4Ever
01-21-2013, 06:45 PM
Both would be lovely.

House
01-21-2013, 07:17 PM
Why not both? I haven't seen Melton play ever.


Both would be lovely.

True... I think Melton will be looking at about $6M/yr. We have paid Branch about $4M/year the past 2 years so kicking out another $2M/year wouldn't be too bad.

Baller1
01-21-2013, 07:52 PM
Chicago fans are fully convinced he's a top DT. So who knows.

But like Brodie, I haven't seen any of him to even add my two cents.

crzyhawk
01-21-2013, 08:26 PM
****, I hope Raw Lewis destroys them.

I'm hoping that Bernard Pollard thinks they're wearing Patriots jerseys

ThUnDeR HaWk
01-21-2013, 09:43 PM
True... I think Melton will be looking at about $6M/yr. We have paid Branch about $4M/year the past 2 years so kicking out another $2M/year wouldn't be too bad.

Melton would be great, but the number 1 guy I want the seahawks to look at is Bengals DE Micah Johnson. He had 11.5 sacks last season, is huge (6'6), and has alot of speed of the edge. I know the Bengals have a ton of free agency money, but they should at least pursue him. Bengals are notoriously frugal when it comes to spending money in free agency. Johnson would command somewhere between 7-9 million a year, and Although that is expensive, it would be worth it as it allows the seahawks to focus on WR and OLB in the early rounds (but thats not to say they couldnt draft another DE). Johnson (8mil) and Melton (6mil) would be pricey, but would provide huge upgrades and be worth it in the long run. Both young players who have yet to reach their prime

FWBrodie
01-21-2013, 09:58 PM
You mean Michael Johnson.

House
01-21-2013, 10:12 PM
Melton would be great, but the number 1 guy I want the seahawks to look at is Bengals DE Micah Johnson. He had 11.5 sacks last season, is huge (6'6), and has alot of speed of the edge. I know the Bengals have a ton of free agency money, but they should at least pursue him. Bengals are notoriously frugal when it comes to spending money in free agency. Johnson would command somewhere between 7-9 million a year, and Although that is expensive, it would be worth it as it allows the seahawks to focus on WR and OLB in the early rounds (but thats not to say they couldnt draft another DE). Johnson (8mil) and Melton (6mil) would be pricey, but would provide huge upgrades and be worth it in the long run. Both young players who have yet to reach their prime

We do not need to invest more money into the DE position right now. Last season we signed Big Red (5yr/$35M) and extended Clemons (3yr/$21M). If we address DE, it'll be in the draft.

I don't discredit Michael Johnson by no means, but he isn't going to play the LEO.

Crom-Viscera
01-22-2013, 07:01 PM
I would welcome Henry Melton here but not before we bring back Jason Jones

Seattle4Ever
01-22-2013, 10:18 PM
Exactly.

Baller1
01-22-2013, 11:28 PM
Saw an article that had Kyle Wilson as a possible trade commodity in a Flynn trade (purely speculative).

Would you guys like that, or prefer to let WTIII get healthy instead?

YouCan'tBeatLA
01-23-2013, 12:07 AM
Pass on Kyle Wilson. He's not good.

Seattle4Ever
01-23-2013, 01:29 AM
I completely disagree. Kyle Wilson is a monster, and I'd love that.

FWBrodie
01-23-2013, 02:08 AM
Always liked Kyle Wilson, but do you have a link?

House
01-23-2013, 02:30 AM
Always liked Kyle Wilson, but do you have a link?

I just looked it up... I know Wilson was on our War Room board in 2010. My main thought is that he is 5'10" and does not have long arms. Does he fit our scheme @ CB?

http://www.hawkblogger.com/2013/01/potential-players-matt-flynn-could.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HawkBlogger+%28Hawk+Blogger%2 9

With the list of names that he charted, Tony Moeaki would be an appealing pickup.

jej
01-23-2013, 10:24 AM
Alualu could be nice too.

But I think a pick is more likely in a trade.

Thebudler
01-23-2013, 11:35 AM
Henry Melton is going to be a hot commodity this off season. Guys that can get sacks from the DT position are hard to find. He is a phenomenal athlete. He was a running back at U of Texas I believe and then gained 50lbs to play DT. He is going to get paid this off season. Our pass rush really worked when Jason Jones was playing. He is extremely valuable on this team. Resign him and draft another interior pass rushing D-lineman.

Seattle4Ever
01-23-2013, 01:32 PM
5'11 is usually the lowest height we'll go, but for a nickel corner I think Wilson's height is fine.

We did witness one 5'9 Josh Wilson get traded for a sack of peanuts, however.

Baller1
01-23-2013, 01:45 PM
I should've included the link, my bad. The reason I'm not sure about Kyle Wilson is that I still want to see WTIII in there as our nickel corner, but he just can't stay healthy so I don't know.

I also absolutely loved the idea of Tamba Hali, but the contract is the real problem, as well as his age. But the article does bring up some fair points such as the Chiefs not being contenders through his prime while he bolsters our line immediately, and we're already contenders.

I'd absolutely love Hali.

GGGGG-Men
01-23-2013, 08:54 PM
Better get some picks with Wilson. Jets desperately need to make a change at QB. SEA doesn't NEED another CB quite as bad. Up that price and let the Jets break the bank with some high picks.

jej
01-23-2013, 09:49 PM
Gimme Wilson and a 3rd/4th.

I have been hearing on the radio that we might just cut him and that there wont be a market. I honestly hope they arent THAT worried about the money that they would just cut him. We are paying $8M to our whole QB position. Not many teams can say that.

Baller1
01-24-2013, 12:01 AM
Yeah I wouldn't like that move at all either. Get something for him or keep him.

Seattle4Ever
01-24-2013, 01:34 AM
Gimme Wilson and a 3rd/4th.

I have been hearing on the radio that we might just cut him and that there wont be a market. I honestly hope they arent THAT worried about the money that they would just cut him. We are paying $8M to our whole QB position. Not many teams can say that.

If we got that I would **** my pants.

The thing is I've seen several sources say that teams expect us to release Flynn so we lack a lot of leverage. I don't think his value is very high with or without the leverage, either.

seasun62
01-24-2013, 01:52 AM
If we got that I would **** my pants.

The thing is I've seen several sources say that teams expect us to release Flynn so we lack a lot of leverage. I don't think his value is very high with or without the leverage, either.

This makes zero sense to me. Knowing that it's a horrible QB draft and there are few options for some desperate teams other than Alex Smith...there is no way anyone can assume he'll be cut. The seahawks have plenty of cap room to keep him and I can't see the FO even insinuating that he'll be cut.

scipiobronze
01-24-2013, 03:31 AM
Another thing I was just thinking about was Jaye Howard's most productive year @ Florida was 2011 under Quinn. He was drafted with the vision of being an heir apparent of such to the mold of Jason Jones. He didn't see much field this year, but I can see him playing a MUCH BIGGER role this coming season. Thoughts?

Good insight, Quinn is valued particularly for his skill as a position coach so I think this hire is very timely. Howard, Scruggs, and Irvin all seem like projects that could have a consistent impact in the pass rush given the right coaching. With Quinn around to coach up guys, it looks like we could address our pass rush issues by building through the draft instead of throwing money at blue chip Free Agent DTs like Melton and Starks.

It looks like we are looking at another Florida DT Shariff Floyd this year 1st round/2nd round. Between the deep DT draft class and the top-heavy DT FA class, I feel pretty confident that we will get both our pass rush and run defense issues resolved one way or another. My only concern is how much it will cost us in $$$ and draft picks.

MikefromMars
01-24-2013, 04:25 AM
SEA wont get more than a conditional 5th for Flynn. There is no way he paid that much to be a backup and the rest of the league knows it. I could see a scenario where the Jets pay Sanchez's salary down to 3 mil and they trade Sanchez and a 5th that could go as high as a 3rd if Flynn makes probowl, throws for 4000, wins afc championship, etc. That is prob the type of trade you're looking at. There is NO WAY you get KC's third round pick. That is a pipe dream.

seasun62
01-24-2013, 05:46 AM
SEA wont get more than a conditional 5th for Flynn. There is no way he paid that much to be a backup and the rest of the league knows it. I could see a scenario where the Jets pay Sanchez's salary down to 3 mil and they trade Sanchez and a 5th that could go as high as a 3rd if Flynn makes probowl, throws for 4000, wins afc championship, etc. That is prob the type of trade you're looking at. There is NO WAY you get KC's third round pick. That is a pipe dream.

I see the homegrown is working. :smoking:

jej
01-24-2013, 10:31 AM
That's the thing. $7.5M isn't that big a deal when our starter is making $500k. If we can't get something good for him, keep him. A good backup is a luxury.

I would probably take an early 4th for him, but less than that it may make sense to keep him.

Seattle4Ever
01-24-2013, 01:00 PM
This makes zero sense to me. Knowing that it's a horrible QB draft and there are few options for some desperate teams other than Alex Smith...there is no way anyone can assume he'll be cut. The seahawks have plenty of cap room to keep him and I can't see the FO even insinuating that he'll be cut.

Considering he's only guaranteed $2M this season and his salary is upped to $7.5M (I believe)...... uh..... yeah......

Seattle4Ever
01-24-2013, 01:02 PM
That's the thing. $7.5M isn't that big a deal when our starter is making $500k. If we can't get something good for him, keep him. A good backup is a luxury.

I would probably take an early 4th for him, but less than that it may make sense to keep him.

Well both of them combine at $8M, so a $4M average. That's the exact same amount we were dishing out to T-Jack and Whitehurst, but that's also when we were trying to find a franchise QB.

Basically like you said, if we can't find a trade partner I think it makes sense to keep him. We won't have to pay guys this season, so I don't think it will hinder anything we want to do in trading, drafting, or free agency.

We don't even know if he's a good backup though :shrug: We don't know much about him to say for sure.

seahawks509
01-24-2013, 01:05 PM
Maybe if there is a way we shop him while also agreeing to a pay cut?

Baller1
01-24-2013, 01:14 PM
Well both of them combine at $8M, so a $4M average. That's the exact same amount we were dishing out to T-Jack and Whitehurst, but that's also when we were trying to find a franchise QB.

Basically like you said, if we can't find a trade partner I think it makes sense to keep him. We won't have to pay guys this season, so I don't think it will hinder anything we want to do in trading, drafting, or free agency.

We don't even know if he's a good backup though :shrug: We don't know much about him to say for sure.

Ehhh... I'd say the general consensus around the entire league is that he's a good backup. Obviously no one truly knows for sure, but most signs point to him being a good QB.

FWBrodie
01-24-2013, 02:51 PM
Gimme Wilson and a 3rd/4th.

I have been hearing on the radio that we might just cut him and that there wont be a market. I honestly hope they arent THAT worried about the money that they would just cut him. We are paying $8M to our whole QB position. Not many teams can say that.

That's crazy talk.

FWBrodie
01-24-2013, 02:55 PM
SEA wont get more than a conditional 5th for Flynn. There is no way he paid that much to be a backup and the rest of the league knows it. I could see a scenario where the Jets pay Sanchez's salary down to 3 mil and they trade Sanchez and a 5th that could go as high as a 3rd if Flynn makes probowl, throws for 4000, wins afc championship, etc. That is prob the type of trade you're looking at. There is NO WAY you get KC's third round pick. That is a pipe dream.

$7 million? That's chump change. You're full of it.

seasun62
01-24-2013, 03:00 PM
$7 million? That's chump change. You're full of it.

Not to mention suicide rates would go up higher in Seattle if we ever had to watch Sanchez run the offense. If Flynn is dealt does anyone see the possibility of Jackson coming back at a decent price to be the veteran backup? He knows Bevell and Seattle (obviously) and his skill set would work in that role. I also believe he now knows he's a backup and I would think you could get him at a fraction of Flynn's price. By all accounts, it seems like he was well liked when here and I think he'd blend in with the new "attitude" on the team.

FWBrodie
01-24-2013, 03:05 PM
That's a good idea.

seasun62
01-24-2013, 03:19 PM
I've been thinking about for a while, if I remember right it was mentioned briefly in one of these threads.

Baller1
01-24-2013, 04:38 PM
I'd be cool with brining him back as well. No reason not to.

Seattle4Ever
01-24-2013, 04:39 PM
T-Jack also made some comments about or team and coach.

MikefromMars
01-24-2013, 05:45 PM
$7 million? That's chump change. You're full of it.

Well, yea. It's not much for a start, but why spend 7 million on a backup when you can use that money other places and get another back up QB for much less. The thing is, as someone mentioned, there isn't much money on the books if he is cut, so teams aren't going to spend high picks on him. I think a 5th in this draft and a conditional pick next yr is a great deal. If he actually starts and plays well you get a 5th and a 3rd out of it. With your scouting department doing so well, that is pretty good. And having Sanchez for $2.5 million (because the Jets will eat 5.5) as a backup under his college coach is actually a pretty good situation. That is basically 500k because you're going to pay $2 mil to cut Flynn anyways... so you get a 5th, Sanchez for 500k and possibly a 3rd but at worst another 5th in 2014 or you get nothing.

seasun62
01-24-2013, 07:34 PM
Well, yea. It's not much for a start, but why spend 7 million on a backup when you can use that money other places and get another back up QB for much less. The thing is, as someone mentioned, there isn't much money on the books if he is cut, so teams aren't going to spend high picks on him. I think a 5th in this draft and a conditional pick next yr is a great deal. If he actually starts and plays well you get a 5th and a 3rd out of it. With your scouting department doing so well, that is pretty good. And having Sanchez for $2.5 million (because the Jets will eat 5.5) as a backup under his college coach is actually a pretty good situation. That is basically 500k because you're going to pay $2 mil to cut Flynn anyways... so you get a 5th, Sanchez for 500k and possibly a 3rd but at worst another 5th in 2014 or you get nothing.

Everything makes some sense (though I think you're underestimating Flynn's potential value) right up until you say S A N C H E Z. He's a horrific fit for this offense, I'm going to predict that they get someone with much more similar skill set to Wilson. For example: Tavaris Jackson. Pete has not shown an overwhelming desire to bring in all his old college guys. He's given a few a chance..and they're gone already. Predicting Sanchez to play for him is, well...too predictable. If there's anything we've learned with this FO is that they're anything BUT predictable.

GGGGG-Men
01-25-2013, 02:30 PM
If we got that I would **** my pants.

The thing is I've seen several sources say that teams expect us to release Flynn so we lack a lot of leverage. I don't think his value is very high with or without the leverage, either.

I don't buy it. Sounds like an owner created a rumor to drive down the price. They DO do those things.

Releasing him would make no sense unless he had a no-trade clause or for some reason was impossible to trade. Not a lot of value at QB in this years draft and there are some desperate teams out there.

Probably don't want him to stay in the division, but ARZ would likely offer the most.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 04:16 PM
Well, yea. It's not much for a start, but why spend 7 million on a backup when you can use that money other places and get another back up QB for much less. The thing is, as someone mentioned, there isn't much money on the books if he is cut, so teams aren't going to spend high picks on him. I think a 5th in this draft and a conditional pick next yr is a great deal. If he actually starts and plays well you get a 5th and a 3rd out of it. With your scouting department doing so well, that is pretty good. And having Sanchez for $2.5 million (because the Jets will eat 5.5) as a backup under his college coach is actually a pretty good situation. That is basically 500k because you're going to pay $2 mil to cut Flynn anyways... so you get a 5th, Sanchez for 500k and possibly a 3rd but at worst another 5th in 2014 or you get nothing.

Nothing? They get one of the best backups in the league and the opportunity to look for a better deal. Not having Sanchez is something in itself.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 04:21 PM
Kolb landed the Eagles a #2 corner and a second round pick. Don't tell me Flynn is worth a 5th rd pick.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 04:25 PM
The Falcons traded Schaub to the Houston Texans for a swap of first round picks (8th pick for the 10th pick) and two second round picks (2007 and 2008).

drew_ellis_23
01-25-2013, 05:32 PM
Flynn is worth more than a 5th. I think we will be able to package him with our 2nd for maybe a 1st rounder, or maybe use him to move up in the first. Plenty of teams will come calling on draft day. Trading him is way better than releasing him obviously as the other team would pay his salary too. If we cut him how much are we on the hook for? If it is anywhere close to what we have to pay him if we keep him then we might as well just keep him. Alex Smith is going to be on the market as well as Vick so it will be interesting to see what happens with those two.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 07:48 PM
Everyone's trying to get a piece of the Seahawks right now, Gus Bradley is now HC of the Jags and President of football operations John Izdik is now GM of the Jets. Surely Tom Cable and Darrell Bevell will soon follow in their footsteps, maybe even Dan Quinn eventually although he's already spring boarded from D-line coach of the Seahawks to D-coordinator in Florida and of course now DC of the Seahawks.

This is a big part of Pete Carroll's strategy and what makes him great. He's created a pipeline of front office and coaching talent that is going to continue to attract the top candidates from around football because they know they can get where they want to go working for the Seahawks. We can see the same things happening to players who are coming to Seattle as nobodies, reclamation projects, and low draft picks and turning into stars. Seattle is the place to come if you want to make a name for yourself in football right now. Not to mention the elite facilities across the board provided by Mr. Allen. It's unbelievable how fast Pete and John have been able to build this franchise into a powerhouse that is already being emulated and picked at around the league.

Feels great to be a Seahawk fan right now. We're lucky to have Pete, John, and the rest.

ccg34
01-25-2013, 08:29 PM
http://www.fieldgulls.com/latest-news/2013/1/25/3915550/darrelle-revis-trade-rumors-seahawks-reportedly-highly-interested

Rumors say we are "highly" interested in Revis. I know we probably wouldn't be able to keep him long term, but a 1-2 year rental would be worth it. We got a shot at a superbowl next year. I don't know what the Jets are asking, but if we can send them Flynn and our 2nd I would all for that. Having the top two cornerbacks in the league would be beastly. Can you imagine our secondary with Sherman, Revis, Browner, Thomas, and Chancellor!!!!???? :drool:

GGGGG-Men
01-25-2013, 08:43 PM
Revis would be overkill at one position IMO. Not sure you need to invest that kinda money in that one position, especially in a division where there's not a big WR threat.

Better off getting picks for Flynn and building the future.

House
01-25-2013, 09:14 PM
I did hear something interesting in the potential Revis trade. It was clearly speculation but some Seahawks would be swapping positions. Browner to S and Chancellor to LB.

Thoughts?

ccg34
01-25-2013, 09:16 PM
Revis is a hall of fame cb. I can't understand how you can say Sherm and Revis would be an overkill at one position. We would only overkill our opponents in my opinion. Not to mention we can still use draft picks and cheap free agents to improve our team.

GGGGG-Men
01-25-2013, 09:29 PM
I did hear something interesting in the potential Revis trade. It was clearly speculation but some Seahawks would be swapping positions. Browner to S and Chancellor to LB.

Thoughts?

Ok now I have a brand new opinion. That would be pretty sweet. If Chancellor or Browner are the ones guarding these new athletic TEs.....hell yeah.


Revis is a hall of fame cb. I can't understand how you can say Sherm and Revis would be an overkill at one position. We would only overkill our opponents in my opinion. Not to mention we can still use draft picks and cheap free agents to improve our team.

Well, I mean spending wise, not talent of course. You can never have too much talent at one position, but you CAN invest too much money at one at the cost of another.

....that said, SEA does have a lot of wiggle room. Can't say I'd be mad about the move. Sherman-Revis would be filthy.

Seattle4Ever
01-25-2013, 09:33 PM
I did hear something interesting in the potential Revis trade. It was clearly speculation but some Seahawks would be swapping positions. Browner to S and Chancellor to LB.

Thoughts?

Nah. Revis is reportedly asking for $16M and a craaaaazy amount guaranteed.

I don't think you can mess with what's given us success. That wouldn't even solve our current problems. We need tons of depth in our defensive line. We need pass rushers badly, and we didn't do good at all against the run towards the end of the year.

Seattle4Ever
01-25-2013, 09:34 PM
Revis is a hall of fame cb. I can't understand how you can say Sherm and Revis would be an overkill at one position. We would only overkill our opponents in my opinion. Not to mention we can still use draft picks and cheap free agents to improve our team.

Well put it this way:

> Sherman is likely going to ask for around what Revis is asking.
> Revis is asking for $16M.
> Sherman will ask for around there.
> $30M+ tied up in one position (that is one of the least important in our defense) for two players.

Yes, it'd be really nice, but at this point it's not worth it.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 09:35 PM
Revis would be overkill at one position IMO. Not sure you need to invest that kinda money in that one position, especially in a division where there's not a big WR threat.

Better off getting picks for Flynn and building the future.

Except that every other DB is on a rookie contract, so there's nothing invested at the position.

Seattle4Ever
01-25-2013, 09:46 PM
Maybe if Revis were to play one season and we flipped him.... but we can't afford to pay Sherman and Revis with our current problems.

Eventually we'll have to pay some guys.

Seattle4Ever
01-25-2013, 09:46 PM
Good for everyone. God, this is a great feeling.

jej
01-25-2013, 10:54 PM
yeah, to me, we need to address DT, WR, DE, OT and TE first, and focus out resources on finding those things.

I kind of hope JS and PC like Howard enough that they think he can replace Jones, allowing us to use that money in FA for either a TE or OT, and allow us to pick up both a DT and a DE in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

1. DT
2. WR
3. DE
4. OLB
5. TE/OT

TE/OT in FA.

FWBrodie
01-25-2013, 11:13 PM
They may like Howard, but he's no Jason Jones.

jej
01-25-2013, 11:20 PM
Thats why I said like him enough. If we can get a 3-tech in the first, and Howard is good enough to be the third guy, then why not do so and fill other holes?

ccg34
01-26-2013, 12:50 AM
In my opinion, our team is in good shape as it is. We should go best player available throughout the draft heat up in the competition. Our only gaping hole is de. Sign a de to fill in for clem until he comes back. Jason Jones was doing a great job until he got hurt. I'd like for us to resign him and branch. Then draft or bring in a flyer like Ellis and Dorsey.

jej
01-26-2013, 02:04 AM
We need to add a pass rush. Even when Clem is back it isn't great. Plus he is getting older. I think we need another DT for sure too. Jones is fine as a pass rush specialist, but I think we need a guy like Sheldon Richardson or Kawann Short as a full time 3 tech DT.

We also need to replace hill, and find another WR.

In other words, there's no way we are set as is.

ccg34
01-26-2013, 03:23 AM
We need to add a pass rush. Even when Clem is back it isn't great. Plus he is getting older. I think we need another DT for sure too. Jones is fine as a pass rush specialist, but I think we need a guy like Sheldon Richardson or Kawann Short as a full time 3 tech DT.

We also need to replace hill, and find another WR.

In other words, there's no way we are set as is.

We can definitely upgrade wr, te, lb, dt, and de. What I'm trying to say though is that we are solid in all those areas. It is not like a couple years ago when we had many so many holes to fill.

seasun62
01-26-2013, 09:50 AM
I did hear something interesting in the potential Revis trade. It was clearly speculation but some Seahawks would be swapping positions. Browner to S and Chancellor to LB.

Thoughts?

I had that very idea cross my mind and clearly it's possible and migbt even work, but I don't like it. I'm not a huge fan of Cam at LB but Browner at SS seems like a good fit. I believe a deal for Revis would start with Flynn and Browner so it might not be an issue.

seasun62
01-26-2013, 10:00 AM
I've been watching them since '77 and this is, by far, the best place this franchise has been...EVER.

jej
01-26-2013, 12:06 PM
We can definitely upgrade wr, te, lb, dt, and de. What I'm trying to say though is that we are solid in all those areas. It is not like a couple years ago when we had many so many holes to fill.

Solid maybe, but not good. Right now, we don't have a OLB, or a 3 tech, or a everyday LEO since Clemons is out, or a true #1 WR. Those happen to be the deepest spots in the draft also. I definitely don't think we are at BPA all the way thru. If we do that, it means Hill is our WILL again, Irvin starts at the LEO, and we have to hope Jones comes back and can be an everydown guy.

FWBrodie
01-26-2013, 05:31 PM
How do we not have a #1 WR?

Seattle4Ever
01-26-2013, 05:48 PM
Yeah if anything it's a depth issue. Doesn't have much to do with Rice or Tate.

jej
01-26-2013, 10:32 PM
I wouldnt call either of them a true #1 WR. Good number twos, but we need someone else of equal or greater caliber.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2013, 12:35 AM
Eh, I disagree :shrug:

seahawks509
01-27-2013, 01:24 AM
Rice is a true #1. Revis would help our pass rush. It would almost be like adding another guy up front.

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 01:25 AM
Rice is a prototypical #1 WR and is only 26. My only complaint would be that he could be a little more physical and durable. If the Hawks threw the ball as much as some other teams he'd have huge numbers. Tate would too. I think they need to add depth behind him, probably someone with some size and explosiveness who could fill in for Rice if needed and offer some more contrast to Tate/Baldwin.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2013, 02:29 AM
Rice is a true #1. Revis would help our pass rush. It would almost be like adding another guy up front.

That makes zero sense.

Hypothetically there'd be more coverage sacks, but he has absolutely nothing to do with our pass rush :laugh:

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 03:23 AM
Eh, it makes sense to me.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2013, 03:37 AM
Oh, I actually see more of what he's saying now. Not that it would HELP the actual pass rush, but it would complement the pass rush.

Okay, well still I think it's unnecessary to be paying Revis so much. We have to actually trade for Revis, then pay him (they're saying Mario Williams money or more, so $16M+), and then pay Sherman later. In the end it just isn't worth it especially because we have capable corners as it is. We need to focus on linebackers and defensive linemen in this draft.

House
01-27-2013, 04:07 AM
Rice is a prototypical #1 WR and is only 26. My only complaint would be that he could be a little more physical and durable. If the Hawks threw the ball as much as some other teams he'd have huge numbers. Tate would too. I think they need to add depth behind him, probably someone with some size and explosiveness who could fill in for Rice if needed and offer some more contrast to Tate/Baldwin.

What do you think about Ramses Barden? He's 6'6"/226lbs and has a MONSTER wingspan. Pretty good speed and he's only 26 y/o.

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 04:17 AM
I thought he was going to be a good player, but haven't followed him much since he's been in the league. Pete loves him some extreme attributes though.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2013, 04:23 AM
I've always loved Barden. He's outta Cal Poly too!

House
01-27-2013, 04:32 AM
I thought he was going to be a good player, but haven't followed him much since he's been in the league. Pete loves him some extreme attributes though.

I know he had a knee injury in '10. He played REAL big in a few games this past year when Nicks was out. WR don't get much bigger. He has lined up everywhere too


I've always loved Barden. He's outta Cal Poly too!

I think a 3-4 yr deal would come at marginal cost.

Seattle4Ever
01-27-2013, 12:58 PM
He'd give us a big receiver that we lack other than Rice.

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 03:43 PM
Is he a good blocker? I would assume yes because I'm sure every coach he's ever had has tried to make him one, but in the end blocking is all effort.

House
01-27-2013, 04:45 PM
Is he a good blocker? I would assume yes because I'm sure every coach he's ever had has tried to make him one, but in the end blocking is all effort.

He's good. I wouldn't call him a GREAT blocker

jej
01-27-2013, 06:05 PM
How much do you guys think we will be able to/willing to spend? If we could bring back Jones or Branch, and sign another DT/DE, it would allow us to fill more spots.

Can we keep Branch, and sign Melton (and a TE or OT)? If so, we can go WR, DE, OLB, OT/TE in the draft.

House
01-27-2013, 06:40 PM
How much do you guys think we will be able to/willing to spend? If we could bring back Jones or Branch, and sign another DT/DE, it would allow us to fill more spots.

Can we keep Branch, and sign Melton (and a TE or OT)? If so, we can go WR, DE, OLB, OT/TE in the draft.

In MY perfect world, these would be some of my first transactions:
Re-sign Jason Jones (3yr/$9-10M total)
Release Ben Obomanu (Free up $2.3M in '13)
Go after Henry Melton (4-5yr/$30M max)
Sign Ramses Barden (4yr/$6-8M total)

seasun62
01-27-2013, 06:43 PM
:clap:

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 08:27 PM
I don't think you can sign Jones for that cheap.

jej
01-27-2013, 09:07 PM
Word. I also think if you get Melton, Branch may be more important. We need some size there too. Like in the article Brodie posted, he can be a rotational guy, and replace either Red or Bane if they are hurt.

alexander_37
01-27-2013, 09:42 PM
Melton will command a 4 year 32 or 5 year 40 million dollar contract.

FWBrodie
01-27-2013, 09:52 PM
Yeah they almost have to resign Branch for depth.

House
01-27-2013, 10:27 PM
You guys are probably right. I saw something earlier today saying market value for Melton would be around $6M/yr. I'm sure some team will overpay for him, but I definitely won't be us.

Coming off the injury I think Jones will be there at a discounted price.

seahawks509
01-28-2013, 01:29 PM
Yeah they almost have to resign Branch for depth.

Yes, plus with that article you posted. We need him as a backup for Bryant. Very versitile for us. JJ skill set may be more important, but Branch IMO is the guy we need to resign. We can probably replace JJ in the draft if needed.

seahawks509
01-28-2013, 01:31 PM
You guys are probably right. I saw something earlier today saying market value for Melton would be around $6M/yr. I'm sure some team will overpay for him, but I definitely won't be us.

Coming off the injury I think Jones will be there at a discounted price.

But with the worry of him recovering from being injured all season. Do we trust him and risk not having the interior pass rush we need? Or do we use up some of our money and take him and a draft pick?

jej
01-28-2013, 01:58 PM
Id still draft a DT in the first. Jones is best served as a situational guy.

Thats why Kawann Short is up there for me. Can still clog the holes (6,3", 310) but also quick enough to be a pass rusher as well.

I have seen us linked to Tank Carradine. Can he handle the LEO? Doesnt seem like enough of a speed rusher.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 02:03 PM
Yes, plus with that article you posted. We need him as a backup for Bryant. Very versitile for us. JJ skill set may be more important, but Branch IMO is the guy we need to resign. We can probably replace JJ in the draft if needed.

That article didn't have as much to do with Branch being so valuable, but our reliance on a big body opposite of Clemons at the 5 tech.

I'm also not so sure it'll be so easy to replace Jason Jones.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 02:04 PM
Id still draft a DT in the first. Jones is best served as a situational guy.

Thats why Kawann Short is up there for me. Can still clog the holes (6,3", 310) but also quick enough to be a pass rusher as well.

I have seen us linked to Tank Carradine. Can he handle the LEO? Doesnt seem like enough of a speed rusher.

The #1 attribute of a LEO is killer speed.

jej
01-28-2013, 02:26 PM
Then we probably arent going to find a replacement in this draft unless we go 1st round, which I dont think we will.

Brandon Jenkins seems like the closest thing to that. Could be there in the 3rd coming off an injury

WolvesJagsOs
01-28-2013, 02:43 PM
Less than two weeks after Seattle Seahawks defensive line coach, Todd Wash, was considered to be "in strong consideration" for the Jaguars defensive coordinator job, Ryan O'Halloran of the Florida Times-Union reports that he will join the team as the new defensive line coach.

-Big Cat Country

jej
01-28-2013, 02:45 PM
Hes leaving to be a worse teams D-Line coach? K, bye.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 02:54 PM
Hes leaving to be a worse teams D-Line coach? K, bye.

:burn:

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 02:55 PM
Then we probably arent going to find a replacement in this draft unless we go 1st round, which I dont think we will.

Brandon Jenkins seems like the closest thing to that. Could be there in the 3rd coming off an injury

I think LEO is going to be solved internally, or late in the draft. Don't rule out snagging one later in the draft that we don't currently know about.




Eh, Wash leaving isn't a big deal to me as long as Bryant Young follows Quinn here.

WolvesJagsOs
01-28-2013, 02:59 PM
Hes leaving to be a worse teams D-Line coach? K, bye.

Gus Bradley...

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 03:02 PM
Gus Bradley...

Yeah don't worry about what he said :laugh2:

They're both really solid coaches.

WolvesJagsOs
01-28-2013, 03:04 PM
Yeah don't worry about what he said :laugh2:

They're both really solid coaches.

Yeah...Wash is a guy i've been hoping we'd bring in. Kind of thought we would since they go all the way back to NDSU if I remember right.

jej
01-28-2013, 03:09 PM
Gus became a head coach. This guy is staying a D-Line coach

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 03:29 PM
Gus became a head coach. This guy is staying a D-Line coach

Wash was a candidate for their DC job too. I don't know what's wrong with him following Bradley.

jej
01-28-2013, 03:33 PM
Nothing, I just pointed out that he is taking the same job for a worse team. Bradley got a promotion, he didnt.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 03:40 PM
Well they both coached at the same college, Tampa, and here. I guess they just have a good relationship.

Our candidates are looking like Jethro Franklin from USC and Bryant Young.

WolvesJagsOs
01-28-2013, 03:47 PM
Gus became a head coach. This guy is staying a D-Line coach

Not sure what you mean by that. Babich and Fish were both in the running for the spot, both have known Gus for a long time and were together at NDSU.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 03:47 PM
Sando also mentioned Travis Jones of the Saints. He's coached with Quinn.

WolvesJagsOs
01-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Nothing, I just pointed out that he is taking the same job for a worse team. Bradley got a promotion, he didnt.

Because Gus was a DC and was on a team with a terrific defense.

Wash will get his shot before long at DC either in Jacksonville if Babich doesn't work out or elsewhere if he continues to help produce good defensive lines.

FWBrodie
01-28-2013, 07:14 PM
Yeah maybe, but there's no question Seattle would have been a much better resume builder.

jej
01-28-2013, 07:17 PM
Yeah, just don't usually see a guy leave to go have the same position for a worse team unless the coaching staff is being changed, which I guess it is a little.

Idk, I don't know much about him, but our line wasn't too spectacular last year.

seahawks509
01-28-2013, 07:32 PM
That article didn't have as much to do with Branch being so valuable, but our reliance on a big body opposite of Clemons at the 5 tech.

I'm also not so sure it'll be so easy to replace Jason Jones.

It made a big point as to why Branch is important and why Bryant will maintain that starting spot.

seahawks509
01-28-2013, 07:33 PM
Id still draft a DT in the first. Jones is best served as a situational guy.

Thats why Kawann Short is up there for me. Can still clog the holes (6,3", 310) but also quick enough to be a pass rusher as well.

I have seen us linked to Tank Carradine. Can he handle the LEO? Doesnt seem like enough of a speed rusher.

Or you can just resign JJ and Branch and focus on another spot with that 1st pick. Let's say DE, then in the 2nd get a playmaking WR

seahawks509
01-28-2013, 07:36 PM
I think LEO is going to be solved internally, or late in the draft. Don't rule out snagging one later in the draft that we don't currently know about.




Eh, Wash leaving isn't a big deal to me as long as Bryant Young follows Quinn here.

Yea I feel if we address the interior pass rush, it will help the pressure off the edge. It's all gonan come down to how much confidence we have in JJ. If we don't have much confidence than you can see us replacing him in the draft. If we do then we will probably use that pick for a different pick.

jej
01-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Or you can just resign JJ and Branch and focus on another spot with that 1st pick. Let's say DE, then in the 2nd get a playmaking WR

1. Money

2. Our line was inconsistent last year. I think we need an improvement rather than keeping it the same.

jej
01-28-2013, 08:07 PM
Or you can just resign JJ and Branch and focus on another spot with that 1st pick. Let's say DE, then in the 2nd get a playmaking WR

1. Money

2. Our line was inconsistent last year. I think we need an improvement rather than keeping it the same.

Seattle4Ever
01-28-2013, 08:26 PM
Jason Jones and Branch are both spectacular at what they do. We need someone who can rush the passer like Jones, or even better, and hold their ground. Clemons is a perfect example, except at LEO.

We have a lot of options at DT, I just obviously don't know what our FO wants to do.

D-Line is a need, and WR is a want. I don't expect us to take a WR in the first.

seahawks509
01-29-2013, 12:08 AM
1. Money

2. Our line was inconsistent last year. I think we need an improvement rather than keeping it the same.

Again that was because JJ was hurt. If we resign JJ then it would actually cost less and we wouldn't be giving up a 1st. I know that's a hard concept to understand. If we sign JJ (for cheaper) and draft a DE> We are actually in better position

seahawks509
01-29-2013, 12:10 AM
Jason Jones and Branch are both spectacular at what they do. We need someone who can rush the passer like Jones, or even better, and hold their ground. Clemons is a perfect example, except at LEO.

We have a lot of options at DT, I just obviously don't know what our FO wants to do.

D-Line is a need, and WR is a want. I don't expect us to take a WR in the first.

We need a everydown DT who can rush the passer. So hard to find. That's why I feel it's better for us to just sign JJ and Branch. Branch can anchor the middle while JJ can pass rush. Im not saying I am not down to draft a DT. But it could be best financialy so resign those two and focus on the end spot. Considering Clemons tore his ACL, I feel people are foregtting this (not you). DE should be our main prioity. Getting those two locked up will help a ton.

Seattle4Ever
01-29-2013, 03:11 AM
I don't think DE is a huge priority. Especially because Clemons will be back and because we have Irvin. He struggled against ATL but you never know what an offseason will do for him.

seahawks509
01-29-2013, 04:39 AM
Im not sold on Clemons being back.

jej
01-29-2013, 10:19 AM
You don't think he will ever be back?

seahawks509
01-29-2013, 11:21 AM
You don't think he will ever be back?

Not till maybe mid season and I don't see him being all that productive.

Rain City
01-29-2013, 12:08 PM
what about reggie bush?

leon washington is getting old and has been an important part of the team, maybe he can have a brian mitchell-type career but bush could be a good replacement. he might not get enough carries to want to come to SEA but as a return man and maybe getting some plays out of the slot he'd be dynamic. ive always been mesmerized by bush's ability in space, and hes still got it.

seahawks509
01-29-2013, 01:00 PM
Bush is gonna be looking for a big contract. If we really wanna replace Leon i'd rather look for one in the draft. Maybe a Kenyon Barner type. He may be available later in the draft but not sure. His stock is probably gonna go up like LaMichael James

jej
01-29-2013, 08:39 PM
He will be too expensive and is better than a #3 RB

Seattle4Ever
01-29-2013, 09:49 PM
Yeah Bush is a bum.

Hawks and M's
01-30-2013, 09:42 AM
DE is a huge need! Clemons won't be 100% for some time and even when he does come back, he'll be rusty. Irvin could and should be better but that isn't a certainty. Even if both those guys were healthy, we'd still need to get more depth so we can rotate personel when teams try and go fast paced against our D.

I wouldn't be shocked if we draft or sign at least two pass rushers this offseason, either in FA or the draft.

jej
01-30-2013, 10:27 AM
It's a need, but not as much as a true 3tech IMO. As you said, we have other options at DE. At DT, we have a couple guys we can re sign, but they are role player types.

If we need a LEO, there aren't a ton in the first couple rounds that we can get. Montgomery will be gone, and the next guy who fits is Brandon Jenkins, probably on the third.

As S4E said, it might come later from a guy we don't know.

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 01:52 PM
It's a need, but not as much as a true 3tech IMO. As you said, we have other options at DE. At DT, we have a couple guys we can re sign, but they are role player types.

If we need a LEO, there aren't a ton in the first couple rounds that we can get. Montgomery will be gone, and the next guy who fits is Brandon Jenkins, probably on the third.

As S4E said, it might come later from a guy we don't know.

I don't want us to take him, infact I'd be ****** if we did. In the first at least. I would maybe in the 2nd. Too much talent to pass on in the second.

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 04:01 PM
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q160/matt509/image-1_zps84863db8.jpg

Seattle4Ever
01-30-2013, 06:24 PM
DT opens up the pass rush for the LEO.

jej
01-30-2013, 07:08 PM
Word. And having a guy that can do both like Short may make it so Irvin can handle some more full time duties.

Definitely see us bringing in a guy who can player over there, but probably in the 3rd or later.

jej
01-30-2013, 07:09 PM
I don't want us to take him, infact I'd be ****** if we did. In the first at least. I would maybe in the 2nd. Too much talent to pass on in the second.

Then who do you want in the 1st thats a DE? There arent many other options

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 07:32 PM
Then who do you want in the 1st thats a DE? There arent many other options

Margus Hunt! I've only been saying for the past couple of weeks. There are a ton of pass rusher, one is likely going to drop to us. Alex okafor is another that could drop. I firmly don't believe a 3 tech is our major need IF we can sign JJ. That would save us our 1st to be able and get that DE we want or a guy like Eifert, who is the guy I really want.

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 07:34 PM
Montgomery has been falling from a lot of big boards. I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped to the 2nd or even 3rd. He's very lazy, but the talent is just too much to pass on in those rounds. If he's available, and the organization PC runs, I would love to pick him up.

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 07:41 PM
Look I'm not saying that I don't want a 3 tech nor am I saying its not an important position for us. Trust me I know. But I'm just saying that if we have faith in JJ, then financially it would be best for us to sign JJ and use that 1st on someone else. JJ isn't going to get a huge contract because he's been hurt all season. I wouldn't be mad at all of we did decide to get that DT. We would then have a post in our defense for the long run. Doesn't mean JJ can't be that guy either. We don't even have to get a DE early. We could get an offensive playmaker like Hopkins or Eifert. Then sign out guys and well be set. Anyway we go I have 100% faith in our front office.

jej
01-30-2013, 09:04 PM
Hunt isnt a LEO, and thats the spot you want to address right?

Seattle4Ever
01-30-2013, 09:11 PM
You want to take another DE for the second year in a row? I think that means you give up on Irvin at LEO :shrug:

seahawks509
01-30-2013, 09:28 PM
You want to take another DE for the second year in a row? I think that means you give up on Irvin at LEO :shrug:

Umm not at all. We need a everydown DE like what Clemons was. We know Irvin isn't a everydown player. Drafting another DE isn't giving up on one player. I said I don't think Clemons is gonna come back until mid-season and I highly doubt he plays even close to what he has been the past couple seasons. We are gonna need to replace him soon.

Here are some notes on

Margus Hunt (http://seahawksdraftblog.com/mock-draft-wednesdays-16th-january)

Other draft related (http://seahawksdraftblog.com/senior-bowl-preview-shrine-game-notes)

FWBrodie
01-30-2013, 10:55 PM
what about reggie bush?

leon washington is getting old and has been an important part of the team, maybe he can have a brian mitchell-type career but bush could be a good replacement. he might not get enough carries to want to come to SEA but as a return man and maybe getting some plays out of the slot he'd be dynamic. ive always been mesmerized by bush's ability in space, and hes still got it.

Wet dream. Leon has been great on special teams, but has been a zero as a back. I think Pete would love to add a weapon like Bush, but it also doesn't sound like them to pay for veteran free agent.

shen
01-30-2013, 11:05 PM
We need LB, DE is barely above CB on list of needs. DE is covered till Irvin becomes every down or Clemons comes back, which ever happens first which honestly might be Irvin. WR, LB, T, G, DT are all ahead for DE.

FWBrodie
01-30-2013, 11:57 PM
Umm not at all. We need a everydown DE like what Clemons was. We know Irvin isn't a everydown player. Drafting another DE isn't giving up on one player. I said I don't think Clemons is gonna come back until mid-season and I highly doubt he plays even close to what he has been the past couple seasons. We are gonna need to replace him soon.

Here are some notes on

Margus Hunt (http://seahawksdraftblog.com/mock-draft-wednesdays-16th-january)

Other draft related (http://seahawksdraftblog.com/senior-bowl-preview-shrine-game-notes)

Now that's a DE that would actually make sense due to his versatility. He could potentially play 3rd down DE (Irvin '12, Brock '11) as well as pass rushing 3 tech (Jones) which would give them options with potential looks, roster building, and some insurance on his development (2 chances to be really good at something). He'd be a special teams nightmare too.

A strictly DE type player doesn't make sense because there just isn't room for that type of player to be on the field much and you'd be looking for an instant impact with Clem possibly missing time, which you rarely get from rookie DE's.

seahawks509
01-31-2013, 01:11 AM
We need LB, DE is barely above CB on list of needs. DE is covered till Irvin becomes every down or Clemons comes back, which ever happens first which honestly might be Irvin. WR, LB, T, G, DT are all ahead for DE.
How does that make sense?

Now that's a DE that would actually make sense due to his versatility. He could potentially play 3rd down DE (Irvin '12, Brock '11) as well as pass rushing 3 tech (Jones) which would give them options with potential looks, roster building, and some insurance on his development (2 chances to be really good at something). He'd be a special teams nightmare too.

A strictly DE type player doesn't make sense because there just isn't room for that type of player to be on the field much and you'd be looking for an instant impact with Clem possibly missing time, which you rarely get from rookie DE's.

I really like Hunt. Like you said he can move down to 3 tech if needed. He's a freak athlete. My only problem is the age. This is the guy I really want. What about Okafor? If he's available you would pass on him?

FWBrodie
01-31-2013, 01:26 AM
How does that make sense?


I really like Hunt. Like you said he can move down to 3 tech if needed. He's a freak athlete. My only problem is the age. This is the guy I really want. What about Okafor? If he's available you would pass on him?

It makes sense because the Seahawks have two starting DE's locked up for the next two years plus. They need pass rushers that they can put on the field with those guys, not somebody who either displaces one of them or sits behind them. So yes, I'd pass on Okafor in the first for sure.

House
01-31-2013, 01:34 AM
One plus in regards to Hunt's age is that while he is 26, he's only played 3 years of football. His body hasn't taken years of abuse...

seahawks509
01-31-2013, 02:45 AM
It makes sense because the Seahawks have two starting DE's locked up for the next two years plus. They need pass rushers that they can put on the field with those guys, not somebody who either displaces one of them or sits behind them. So yes, I'd pass on Okafor in the first for sure.

My bad I misread that.

Burleson81
02-04-2013, 01:49 AM
Couldn't bring myself to cheer for the Niners.. call me a hater, but I'm glad they lost the big one.

House
02-04-2013, 01:54 AM
Same here man...

pennybank
02-04-2013, 05:19 AM
Same here man...

This, I hate the niners with all of my being :D

drew_ellis_23
02-04-2013, 06:25 AM
Same here. I was getting pissed when they came back. NFL tried to "ice" the Ravens with that blackout. Glad Joey Flacc got the W.

Baller1
02-04-2013, 01:15 PM
**** the 49ers. Them losing that game was almost as awesome as a Seattle win.

Baller1
02-04-2013, 01:15 PM
And Jim Harbaugh is such a punk *****.

ThUnDeR HaWk
02-04-2013, 05:13 PM
not quite as awesome as a seattle win

Titus young was released from the Lions today. Very talented reciever with alot of problems

seahawks509
02-04-2013, 05:30 PM
Young has big play written all over him, but maybe that was cause Kellen Moore was throwing to him in college. Could be cheap

166471
02-04-2013, 05:54 PM
ya i'd give him a shot. hell we gave t.o. winslow and edwards a shot so ya

drew_ellis_23
02-04-2013, 06:32 PM
ya i'd give him a shot. hell we gave t.o. winslow and edwards a shot so ya

Kinda my thinking. We have a QB that spreads the ball around too, doesn't just throw to one guy. Though if I had Megatron I would throw it to him a ton as well. He will probably be cheap and hungry to show what he can do.

shen
02-04-2013, 06:58 PM
Hell no on Young. He is absolute scum who actively sabotaged his team. He does not deserve to be in the NFL, deserves to get his knee caps busted and get **** kicked out of him till he is in a coma. Would lose all respect for this organization if even considered him. He is trash and represents the very worst attributes of athletes.

Baller1
02-04-2013, 07:05 PM
You really hate humanity in general Shen.

shen
02-04-2013, 07:16 PM
You really hate humanity in general Shen.

I hate scum bags who believe they are entitled without doing anything to earn the respect and standing they are so arrogant to believe they hold. Players truly hate him because he is scum who actively and admittedly sabotaged his team.

Seattle4Ever
02-04-2013, 09:13 PM
Hell no on Young. He is absolute scum who actively sabotaged his team. He does not deserve to be in the NFL, deserves to get his knee caps busted and get **** kicked out of him till he is in a coma. Would lose all respect for this organization if even considered him. He is trash and represents the very worst attributes of athletes.

Wow. Way over the top.



I might give him a shot. I don't know what goes on in the discussions with our FO so I'm not sure.

seahawks509
02-04-2013, 09:25 PM
Hell no on Young. He is absolute scum who actively sabotaged his team. He does not deserve to be in the NFL, deserves to get his knee caps busted and get **** kicked out of him till he is in a coma. Would lose all respect for this organization if even considered him. He is trash and represents the very worst attributes of athletes.

Bro take it easy. No one deserves this. Your talking about a way of providing for his family and putting food on his childrens plate.

166471
02-04-2013, 10:40 PM
ya TO was team obliterator as well. people come here and change if not they keep looking for a job

Burleson81
02-04-2013, 11:46 PM
Did Titus Young torch us in our lost to Detroit? Isn't he friends with Ringworm Sherm? Leave no stone unturned?

FWBrodie
02-04-2013, 11:55 PM
He's got plenty of food, but yeah a little over the top. I wouldn't want a POS like that guy anywhere near my team though.

Seattle4Ever
02-05-2013, 01:49 AM
He said he was better than Calvin Johnson, and said if he's not gonna get the ball he's gonna retire. Something along the lines of that.

He's a headcase.

Baller1
02-05-2013, 04:39 AM
Yeah, I agree with you Shen... I don't want us to even look Young's way.

But you went a bit overboard to say the least. :laugh2:

Baller1
02-05-2013, 04:45 PM
Vanden Bosch was released by Detroit today.

Baller1
02-05-2013, 05:01 PM
Mike & Mike in the Morning both picked Seattle as next season's Super Bowl favorites.

Boozerguy47
02-05-2013, 06:14 PM
^ Any link to the video/audio? I'd like to hear that.

shen
02-05-2013, 06:54 PM
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk

Confirmed: Only the Rams put in a waivers claim for former Lions WR Titus Young.

Because no other team wanted that cancer anywhere near there locker rooms.

seahawks509
02-05-2013, 08:36 PM
What about Glen Dorsey?

Seattle4Ever
02-05-2013, 08:55 PM
Dorsey would be a big pickup. Vanden Bosch doesn't really fit.

seahawks509
02-05-2013, 09:24 PM
Dorsey would be a big pickup. Vanden Bosch doesn't really fit.

Dorsey is a big body who's versitile. Could be our replacement for Branch possibly. I could see him backing up Bryant. I would love to keep Branch though. Maybe find a way to keep him and JJ while also getting Dorsey. a lot to spend on a position but we need a good rotation throughout the season and it's worth the money

seahawks509
02-05-2013, 09:25 PM
I also think Dorsey could be available. The Chiefs have a lot of young talented Dlineman that they might just part ways with him

FWBrodie
02-05-2013, 10:40 PM
Dorsey would be an upgrade over Branch. I'd looove to see him back playing some DT while backing up Red.

seahawks509
02-05-2013, 10:48 PM
Dorsey would be an upgrade over Branch. I'd looove to see him back playing some DT while backing up Red.

So would you completely drop Branch if we got Dorsey?

jej
02-05-2013, 10:52 PM
He's not exactly the space filler that Branch is.

seahawks509
02-05-2013, 10:54 PM
I'd personally like to get them both. Playing time could become a problem though.

FWBrodie
02-06-2013, 12:07 AM
So would you completely drop Branch if we got Dorsey?Yep, same role. They'd be redundant. Branch can backup three positions and be used in short yardage situations so I'd be happy to have him as a backup if that was affordable.


He's not exactly the space filler that Branch is.

Branch is a load, but Dorsey is a big boy too and Bryant and Mebane are very good space controllers. Dorsey offers a little more of the athleticism that the D-line is lacking in the middle while also being a capable fill in for Bryant.

FWBrodie
02-06-2013, 12:32 AM
I don't know. It's an interesting idea because getting to see Dorsey back in the middle is beyond intriguing, but Branch does play a huge role. Not really sure what Dorsey's health situation is or what exactly Pete requires in Bryant's backup.

seahawks509
02-06-2013, 12:37 AM
I don't know. It's an interesting idea because getting to see Dorsey back in the middle is beyond intriguing, but Branch does play a huge role. Not really sure what Dorsey's health situation is or what exactly Pete requires in Bryant's backup.

See im not sure. I thought they moved him to DE, but they also played a 3-4. I am not quite convinced he can play the middle like Branch. He would be great as a backup for Red. Or maybe even running a straight 4-3 and just absolutely clogging the line (moving him to the other DE spot).

seahawks509
02-06-2013, 12:39 AM
Bill Polian said he could get a pretty decient contract because of his name. So maybe that could be a turn off.

jej
02-06-2013, 12:40 AM
See im not sure. I thought they moved him to DE, but they also played a 3-4. I am not quite convinced he can play the middle like Branch. He would be great as a backup for Red. Or maybe even running a straight 4-3 and just absolutely clogging the line (moving him to the other DE spot).

3-4 is the one with the big ends. 4-3 usually has quicker DEs

seahawks509
02-06-2013, 12:42 AM
3-4 is the one with the big ends. 4-3 usually has quicker DEs
My point is there was a reason he didn't play DT.

Caribou Lou
02-06-2013, 01:01 AM
My point is there was a reason he didn't play DT.

3-4's technically have NT rather than DT. NT's are bigger traditionally. Dorsey is 6'1 297. The Chiefs current NT, Dontari Poe, is 6'5 350.

shen
02-06-2013, 01:02 AM
Dorsey not right type for DT in a 3-4, that is the ONLY reason he was moved to DE.

Seattle4Ever
02-06-2013, 01:04 AM
I went on SB Nation and PFF and people have been pretty disappointed to say the least with Dorsey's pass rushing abilities, albeit it was noted his expectations were much too high. He's pretty solid against the run, though. To me I think that means Branch would be the better value for what he is.

However, a switch from a two gap 3-4 to our 4-3 under might do something for Dorsey :shrug:

FWBrodie
02-06-2013, 01:50 AM
My point is there was a reason he didn't play DT.

Yeah, the Cheifs drafted him.

House
02-06-2013, 02:00 AM
Dorsey could be an intriguing look. My major concern with him is him being too similar to Mebane.

House
02-06-2013, 02:12 AM
My free agent list (No specific order):
DT: H. Melton, R. Starks or D. Bryant
TE: F. Davis, M. Bennett or J. Casey
WR: Ramses Barden or B. Hartline

seahawks509
02-06-2013, 03:18 AM
3-4's technically have NT rather than DT. NT's are bigger traditionally. Dorsey is 6'1 297. The Chiefs current NT, Dontari Poe, is 6'5 350.

I understand the the comparisons to 3-4 and 4-3. I play football. I am saying he didn't play DT or even NT or whatever. He played DE. SOO I am not sure if he could play DT